[00:01] <msx> hello everywhere, my sincere congratz for the awesome release of 14.04 LTS, amazing indeed. And it's regarding something I found you guys did there why I am here: I run Xubuntu on my laptop, a shi!@$%$% HP with hybrid GPU Intel/ATi, with Xubuntu vgaswitcheroo works great meaning the DIS GPU (ATi) is turned off by default.
[00:03] <msx> Now, when running Ubuntu 14.04 on the same laptop (dual boot) I can't make it turn off the DIS GPU. Could you tell me what's the magic you did to be able to turn off the DIS GPU!?
[00:03] <msx> Or point me to any resource I can read, oc :)
[00:03] <msx> s/everywhere/everyone/g
[00:03] <msx> LOL
[02:25] <int0x666> hello
[02:26] <int0x666> i'm trying to write a kernel mode driver 
[02:26] <int0x666> for xubuntu x64
[02:26] <int0x666> my installation doesn't seem to have come with the source?
[02:28] <msx> int0x666: hi, do an apt search linux- to list the name of the package containing the source for your image
[02:29] <int0x666> :0
[02:29] <int0x666> it returned an enormous number of results
[02:30] <msx> let me check
[02:31] <msx> yeah, i really like apt but the way it shows search results is somewaht uncanny
[02:31] <msx> $ aptitude search linux- | grep source
[02:31] <msx> int0x666: ^   ^
[02:32] <msx> provided you have aptitude installed, oc
[02:32] <int0x666> installing it atm
[02:33] <int0x666> hey cool
[02:33] <int0x666> so uh
[02:33] <msx> you can use apt too, but i think aptitude shows results in a tidier way...
[02:33] <int0x666> does this mean i have the source on my hard drive, or is it telling me the name of the package containing the source that i need to download for my version?
[02:34] <int0x666> i've only been a user of xubuntu for two months or so
[02:35] <msx> int0x666: well, debian package management is a bit tricky, at least for me since it's built of a lot of different components being the most notable dpkg and the apt-get/apt/aptitude combo
[02:35] <msx> int0x666: you can check if a package is installed by checking the letter right to the name of the package, like:
[02:35] <msx> p   linux-source-3.13.0             - Linux kernel source for version 3.13.0 wit
[02:35] <int0x666> p means i have it?
[02:35] <msx> the installed packages will show an i instead a p
[02:36] <int0x666> p   linux-source                    - Linux kernel source with Ubuntu patches   
[02:36] <int0x666> v   linux-source-3                  -                                           
[02:36] <int0x666> p   linux-source-3.13.0             - Linux kernel source for version 
[02:36] <msx> int0x666:  ^   ^
[02:36] <int0x666> so which am i looking for?
[02:36] <msx> int0x666: exactly.
[02:36] <msx> And...
[02:36] <msx> another way to look for installed packages: $ dpkg -l | grep {pattern}
[02:37] <msx> $ dpkg -l | grep linux-
[02:37] <msx> that will answer with the installed packages matching that pattern in their name
[02:37] <msx> dpkg --help for the whole switch list
[02:38] <int0x666> while that does sound handy
[02:38] <int0x666> i would like to know how i should determine which of the three packages it returned should be installed
[02:40] <msx> int0x666: there's not a clear way in debian i'm afraid :P
[02:40] <msx> you have to know what you're looking for
[02:40] <msx> in this particular case I think 
[02:40] <msx> linux-source-3.13.0 will do it
[02:40] <int0x666> yeah
[02:40] <int0x666> i just installed that one
[02:41] <int0x666> then i started prying the keys off of my keyboard
[02:41] <int0x666> and damn
[02:41] <int0x666> this is a new keyboard
[02:41] <int0x666> got it about three months ago
[02:41] <int0x666> and there's already filth caked inside of it
[02:42] <int0x666> thank you so much for the help btw
[02:43] <msx> np
[02:43] <msx> i'm enjoying a new kbd too, a logitech
[02:43] <int0x666> is it a mechanical keyboard
[02:43] <msx> a baseline model, but rocks :D will try to keep it in conditions!
[02:43] <msx> awesome!!!
[02:43] <msx> mech kbds are bomb, i'm looking to buy one
[02:44] <msx> *the bomb
[02:44] <int0x666> i <3 it
[02:44] <msx> i can imagine, absolutely
[02:58] <int0x666> hmm
[02:58] <int0x666> yeah i'm giving up
[02:58] <int0x666> thanks for the help though!
[06:58] <elfy> Noskcaj: I see the same thing - gmb and parole both stop audio on seek
[07:22] <Noskcaj> elfy, thanks for confirming.
[07:23] <Noskcaj> I wonder if the issue is in precise and trusty.
[07:26] <elfy> not from memory it's not
[07:27] <elfy> I found it in clementine first - but that appears to be ok now
[07:31] <ochosi> from what i can tell, it's a bug in gstreamer
[07:32] <ochosi> the players do what they do with every other file
[07:32] <ochosi> but seemingly "gst + ogg + seeking = fail"
[07:32] <elfy> I'd assume so ochosi 
[07:32] <elfy> gst + whatever + seeking = fail
[07:33] <ochosi> hm, that sounds bad
[07:33] <elfy> actually
[07:33] <ochosi> yeah, i think gst1.0 has gotten worse in that respect
[07:33] <elfy> flac is fine whatever that uses
[07:33] <elfy> mp3 fails 
[07:34] <ochosi> well flac is quasi uncompressed
[07:34] <ochosi> anyway, it seems that the issue is worse with gst1.0
[07:34] <elfy> yea
[07:34] <ochosi> (which is what those players are using)
[07:34] <elfy> anwyay - work calls
[07:34] <ochosi> with 0.10 i don't remember big problems with seeking
[07:34] <ochosi> sure, hf elfy 
[07:34] <ochosi> (same here in fact)
[07:34] <ochosi> bbl
[07:34] <elfy> I'll try and get those SRU proposes issues onto laptop with trusty this afternoon/evening
[07:45] <ochosi> thanks
[07:45] <ochosi> btw, this one will also need to be verified very soon: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-locker/+bug/1309744
[07:46] <ochosi> it should land in trusty-proposed sometime today
[07:46] <ochosi> oh and while you're at it, there's also xubuntu-default-settings in trusty-proposed that needs verifying
[07:46] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736
[07:47] <ochosi> see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-power-manager/+bug/1303736/comments/146
[09:08] <forestpiskie> thanks pleia2 :)
[09:09] <pleia2> forestpiskie: sure thing :)
[09:49] <ochosi> weee, xdg-utils is uploaded and accepted in trusty-proposed
[09:51] <slickymasterWork> \o/
[09:51] <slickymasterWork> morning ochosi 
[09:51] <ochosi> morning slickymasterWork 
[09:51] <ochosi> it's so weird though, first it takes ages and suddenly everything happens lightning-fast
[09:51] <ochosi> from Laney uploading it to cjwatson approving it, that was less than 15mins
[09:51] <slickymasterWork> ochosi care to take a look at http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH and see what have I might forget?
[09:52] <ochosi> hm well, the removal of gthumb is highly optional, i
[09:52] <ochosi> 'd say
[09:53] <ochosi> the other things are good, but they need to be described step-by-step
[09:53] <ochosi> especially the things that are more complex, whisker and indicators
[09:53] <slickymasterWork> well the idea behind its removal was that it wasn't necessary, right?
[09:54] <ochosi> yeah, we can mention that we removed it and why (duplication of functionality)
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> yeah, I know. That's just the list that I wnated to be sure if there's nothing missing
[09:55] <ochosi> ok, great
[09:55] <slickymasterWork> if you remember something else please add it to that list ochosi 
[09:55] <ochosi> will do
[09:55] <ochosi> has elfy had a look at that yet?
[09:55] <ochosi> i presume he has a bit of experience with that
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> no, I haven't manage to get in touch with him yet
[09:56] <ochosi> ah right
[09:56] <ochosi> forestpiskie: ^ :)
[09:56] <slickymasterWork> :) I know
[10:20] <bluesabre> good job ochosi
[10:20] <bluesabre> :D
[10:21] <ochosi> thanks
[10:21] <ochosi> let's move along with the verification
[10:21] <ochosi> good news is we can verify the things ourselves
[10:22] <ochosi> (which was the context in which i mis-posted that in #shimmer)
[10:51] <bluesabre> cool
[10:51]  * bluesabre will be working on merge requests and reviews this weekend
[11:06] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: I see xfce4-session 4.10.1-7 on debian now, should we merge that instead?
[11:26] <slickymasterWork> thanks knome ;)
[11:59] <elfy> elfy has no idea what you're talking about ... 
[12:06] <elfy> ochosi bluesabre - are all the SRU updates now available in -proposed for trusty now? 
[12:31] <bluesabre> elfy: yes
[12:32] <bluesabre> menulibre lightdm-gtk-greeter xubuntu-default-settings xdg-utils
[13:45] <slickymasterWork> elfy, we were talking about http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/15/%23xubuntu-devel.html#t10:44
[13:46] <slickymasterWork> forestpiskie: ^^
[13:50] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I verified the xdg-utils fix.
[14:52] <ochosi> jjfrv8: thanks a bunch!
[15:00] <ochosi> elfy, jjfrv8: folks, we really need someone to confirm the x-d-s patch for us
[15:00] <ochosi> the problem is there are still "confused" users who have mostly other problems with suspending that keep poking this bugreport
[15:00] <ochosi> they set it to verification-failed
[15:00] <ochosi> which is plain wrong
[15:01] <ochosi> the patch is a no-brainer and only completes an existing sru
[15:27] <jjfrv8> ochosi, I didn't try the x-d-s one because I'm laptop-less atm. Can one simulate it on a desktop?
[15:31] <jjfrv8> I suspend my regular Trusty desktop all the time and have never had the problem.
[15:34] <jjfrv8> Just saw bluesabre's comment on the bug report and he says it only applies to laptops, so I guess I can't help right now.
[15:38] <ochosi> yup, no worries
[15:39] <ochosi> if you don't have a laptop, there's nothing you can do
[16:04] <slickymasterWork> forestpiskie, ochosi, knome, http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH
[16:05] <slickymasterWork> regarding indicators in particular I would like your views on it, as I'm not 100% certain that my approach is completely correct
[16:06] <knome> oh poo
[16:06] <knome> forgetting a site in the firefox history makes it also forget the creds
[16:07] <slickymasterWork> I noticed that knome because in Chrome happens the same thing
[16:08] <knome> time to dig back up some files from backups then, i guess
[16:15] <knome> slickymasterWork, no, i think it's correct without an "an"
[16:15] <knome> i'm referring to screen locking in general
[16:16] <slickymasterWork> but ins't 'an' a general article ?
[16:17] <knome> sure, but i don't think it's used in this situation
[16:17] <knome> elfy!
[16:17] <slickymasterWork> and I'm under the impression that is generally used before words beginning with a vowel sound
[16:17] <knome> well that's another way to put it
[16:17] <knome> (see the pad)
[16:18] <slickymasterWork> the use of the action verb "...r brings you,..." is what makes me think of the need of that article
[16:19] <knome> well you don't say
[16:19] <knome> "i need a freedom" either
[16:19] <slickymasterWork> whatie?!
[16:19] <slickymasterWork> that's completely different 
[16:20] <knome> (unless you need a specific freedom)
[16:20] <knome> not really...
[16:20] <knome> improved screen locking is not a single thing
[16:20] <knome> it's a bigger entity
[16:20] <slickymasterWork> you're speaking about a concept (even though I know you could use your argument against me) ;P
[16:21] <slickymasterWork> freedom isn't tangible, screen locking is
[16:21] <knome> lol
[16:21] <knome> well let's use another example
[16:21] <knome> you don't say
[16:21] <knome> "i need screen saving"
[16:21] <knome> err
[16:22] <knome> i mean,
[16:22] <knome> you don't say
[16:22] <knome> "i need a screen saving"
[16:22] <knome> you say "i need a screen saver"
[16:22] <slickymasterWork> notice the difference between the verb forms in those setences
[16:22] <knome> see the pad now
[16:22] <knome> now it makes sense to have the "an"
[16:22] <knome> but i think it's clumsy to talk about a "screen locker"
[16:23] <slickymasterWork> i like it better like it's now
[16:23] <knome> yep, but if we made it "screen locking", then we'd have to drop the "an" ;)
[16:24] <slickymasterWork> lol, I won't argue with the grammar and syntax police :P
[16:25] <knome> i'm not perfect in grammar, but what you proposed just didn't sound right
[16:25] <slickymasterWork> do you think of anything else that should be added to that list knome?
[16:26] <knome> do we want to talk about how to get the default 14.04 panel layout etc?
[16:26] <knome> or in other words, removing your current custom user-specific config
[16:27] <slickymasterWork> well the idea behind this list was the things needed to do after that upgrade, do you see that as a need?
[16:28] <knome> some people might want that
[16:28] <knome> it's not something you *need* to do
[16:28] <slickymasterWork> and it was meant to be just a quick list
[16:28] <knome> another question is do we poke people at mugshot
[16:29] <slickymasterWork> I don't think that falls under it, mainly because we're speaking about a new app that isn't replacing anything
[16:29] <knome> well you asked if i had something else in mind :P
[16:29] <knome> sure
[16:29] <slickymasterWork> and mugshot was already covered in the release notes
[16:30] <knome> i know
[16:30] <slickymasterWork> I'll take it as a no, then
[16:30] <elfy> knome: what?
[16:31] <slickymasterWork> elfy, we were summoned to solve a grammar dispute between me and knome ;)
[16:31] <elfy> oh ok 
[16:31] <slickymasterWork> see http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH please
[16:31] <elfy> not now slickymasterWork - might get to look tomorrow at some point
[16:32] <ssarah> hei guys i'm new. kind of a jack of all trades. you got a little bit of grunt work for me?
[16:32] <slickymasterWork> so tomorrow while you're at it, see also today's logs to see what the dispute was about
[16:32] <elfy> if 
[16:32] <elfy> I'm really busy with other stuff atm 
[16:33] <slickymasterWork> no problem ;)
[16:39] <ssarah> back :)
[16:39] <slickymasterWork> ssarah: see http://xubuntu.org/contribute/
[16:40] <ssarah> aight
[17:24] <ochosi> ssarah: and if you have questions, you can obviously always ask here
[17:37] <ochosi> knome: fwiw, ppl seem to be still digging the 14.04 wallpaper a lot (seen it on many screenshots on g+), so prepare to create something equally nice for 14.10 ;)
[17:38] <ochosi> (or a variation of the 14.04)
[17:55] <ssarah> hey guys
[17:55] <ssarah> im working on a script for a new version of ubuntu for the government
[17:56] <ssarah> right now it's a couple of bash scripts that remove and put in stuff
[17:56] <ssarah> it's pretty ugly
[17:56] <ssarah> any advices on how i should do it / someone to ask to?
[17:57] <ssarah> well, not just this one, i have to make 3 or 4 more "distros"
[18:19] <Unit193> I have a whole system with different modules, but it's not the most pretty either.  Would you be looking to Do It Properly™?
[18:36] <Unit193> "Iain Lane (laney) has assigned this bug to you for xdg-utils in Ubuntu Trusty:" - Shiny, it got counted as mine and assigned to me. :3
[18:45] <ochosi> heh, a stroke of luck i guess ;)
[18:45] <ochosi> well anyway, thanks for the debdiff Unit193 
[18:46] <Unit193> Got it in updates too.
[18:47] <ochosi> fool me once, try again, fool me twice...
[18:47] <ochosi> (or however gwb said that)
[18:48] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 78 move to 14.04.1 Done
[18:48] <xubutrello> Couldn't find any list named: "14". Aborting.
[21:01] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, Do you not have upload rights for xfce4-whiskermenu-plugin?
[21:02] <Noskcaj> And could you please look at bug 1334185
[22:47] <ochosi> ahoi everyone