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me4oslavhullo. Satja invited me here to listen. If I cause havoc it will be his fault :>21:08
satya164anyone here?21:09
me4oslavI will try to be a good doggie and just listen and drink and don't make all hades break loose21:09
satya164we need to wait amjjwad to come21:09
me4oslavif anyone starts talking about Numix ping me, otherwise I will watch ... yeah, I betta not say what21:10
satya164Or any team leader...21:11
satya164hey amjjawad !21:12
amjjawadsatya164, hey :D21:13
amjjawadsorry for being late21:13
satya164np :D21:13
amjjawadare we alone as usual? :D21:13
satya164I invited me4oslav21:13
amjjawadhmmm, who is he/she?21:13
satya164Georgi, from Numix21:14
amjjawadOh ok21:14
satya164:)21:14
me4oslavalso, lots of other things21:14
amjjawadoh hi me4oslav :)21:14
me4oslavincluding home based alcoholic and more shocking stuff xD21:15
satya164so, what are the topics to discuss>21:15
satya164?21:15
amjjawadsatya164, it seems we are alone21:15
amjjawadlet me start the meeting one moment please21:15
satya164okies21:16
amjjawad#startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Team Meeting #421:16
amjjawad?21:16
amjjawadit didn't work21:16
satya164O.o21:17
amjjawadO_o21:17
amjjawadwhere is meetbot?21:17
satya164I have no idea21:17
amjjawadO_o21:17
satya164I'm a noob in IRC stuff21:17
amjjawaddarkxst, Noskcaj are you there?21:17
amjjawadI will try to ask for help21:18
satya164okay21:18
me4oslavat least your haven't nicknamed your bot blondie21:19
satya164may be he got pissed of at me4oslav and went away!21:19
amjjawadsatya164, that depends what he did say ;)21:19
me4oslavshockingly enough I haven't caused all tartarus to break loose yet, but there is time21:20
amjjawadbut how come it is not there? hmm, and darkxst might be ZzZz now ... I asked Phill but he is busy21:20
amjjawadhe will help in a moment21:20
satya164ok21:20
satya164I';; wait21:20
satya164I'll*21:20
amjjawadok, let's not waste the time ... have you got my invite to the G+ page and community?21:21
satya164yes21:21
amjjawadArtwork guys should be around ;)21:21
amjjawaddo you have failbook account?21:21
satya164failbook!!!!21:21
amjjawadyes, this is how I call it21:21
satya164I've facebook :D21:21
amjjawadlink please21:21
me4oslavit is failbook21:21
amjjawadindeed it is21:22
satya164facebook.com/satya16421:22
amjjawadsatya164, done21:25
satya164thanks :D21:25
amjjawadyou just need to deal with Artwork stuff21:25
amjjawadkeep the pages as busy as you can :D21:25
satya164yes, sure!21:25
satya164I'll try21:25
amjjawaddon't forget to use the hashtages, just like what I do21:25
satya164okies21:25
amjjawadspecially on G+, hashtages are so important21:25
amjjawadokay, no sign of Phill yet21:25
amjjawadanything off-topic you wish to discuss or less important ?21:26
amjjawadbecause I really need to save the log21:26
satya164the logs are on http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome in case that helps21:26
amjjawadsatya164, not really :(21:28
amjjawadwe need too use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology21:29
satya164ok. but why isn't it working!21:29
amjjawadbecause the meeting bot is gone21:29
amjjawad#startmeeting test21:29
satya164gone where?21:29
amjjawadno idea O_o21:29
amjjawadit was there the other day21:29
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings#Previous_Meetings21:30
satya164you could try /invite or something?21:30
amjjawadI'm not the admin on this IRC channel21:30
amjjawadI'm not the type of IRC as you may know. I come here only when there is a meeting.21:30
satya164me too21:31
amjjawad:D21:31
satya164so, what to do now?21:31
amjjawadsince it is me and you only, we have no choice but to talk about Artwork21:31
satya164ok21:31
amjjawadhave you guys seen the blueprints?21:31
satya164I'm on a vacation right now btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation21:32
satya164having another look at blueprints21:32
amjjawadO_o21:33
amjjawadwhy then I have not got any notification :(21:33
satya164nothing special there21:33
satya164you didn't?21:33
satya164so, we are working on everything the blueprint has, website and wallpaper contest21:34
amjjawadsomething is fishy21:35
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation21:35
amjjawadI was the one who created that page and I do subscribe to any page once I create it21:35
satya164O.o21:35
amjjawadI didn't get any notification ... usually, when anyone do any edit, those who are subscribed to the page, they got notifications21:35
satya164yeah21:35
amjjawadokay, no problem, maybe the server is crazy21:36
satya164may be!21:36
amjjawadOkay, I'm not worried about the website nor the contest to be honest21:36
amjjawadI'm worried about the system21:36
amjjawadwe do need to put some efforts into the system21:36
amjjawadbeing rock solid is not enough ... we need a beautiful system as well21:37
satya164okay21:37
satya164I talked to snwh about moka21:38
me4oslavI can confirm it is rock solid. 14.10 with Gnome 3.12 is extremely stable for me21:38
amjjawadme4oslav, you mean alpha 1 ?21:38
me4oslavamjjawad: yeah21:38
me4oslavthe lastest daily 14.1021:39
amjjawadme4oslav, very interesting21:39
amjjawadglad to know :D21:39
amjjawadsatya164, have you checked the roadmap for UG Artwork?21:40
amjjawadI hope you did21:40
amjjawadbecause I mentioned there that we need more beautiful artwork. I'm thinking to change everything :D21:41
satya164hnging w=everything?21:41
satya164changing everything?21:41
amjjawadyep21:42
amjjawadsplash21:42
amjjawaddefault wallpaper21:42
amjjawadstuff like that21:42
amjjawadthe dark grey one is just too dark21:42
satya164ah. I don't see it in the roadmap!21:42
amjjawadsatya164, then you didn't check well :P21:43
satya164O.o21:43
satya164where?21:43
amjjawadhahah21:43
satya164this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/artwork-utopic-unicorn-roadmap21:43
satya164right?21:43
amjjawad 1- Improve the look and feel of Ubuntu GNOME (system).21:44
amjjawadyep21:44
snwhhello hello21:44
satya164hello snwh21:44
me4oslavone thing (not that I've any power here too ... at least not yet :P) - this started as Gnome Vanilla Ubuntu flavour (as much vanilla as possible), if it starts going less vanilla your community will start whinning and there will be backlash21:44
amjjawadhello snwh :)21:44
satya164amjjawad, okay.. so that needs an explanation21:44
amjjawadsatya164, yes. I'm :D21:45
satya164I agree me4oslav21:45
amjjawadsplash and default wallpapers and we need themes and icons21:45
satya164so I talked with snwh for including moka21:46
amjjawadsnwh, is the father of moka?21:46
satya164who is here now21:46
snwhwhich means (Moka & Faba) ;)21:46
snwhI am indeed21:46
amjjawadsnwh, I think we have had a quick chat on G+21:46
amjjawadIIRC21:47
amjjawadnot 100% sure to be honest21:47
amjjawadsatya164, so, what is the outcome? :D21:47
me4oslavone more thing - adopring moka/numix/whatever-popular applied (not just installed OTB) may cause folks to brand you "moka/numix/whatever Ubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu Gnome", community can be shallow thinking careful with it21:47
snwhI couldn't be sure21:47
snwhme4oslav, from what I gather, it's just having them in the Ubuntu repos as an option21:48
satya164and installed by default21:48
satya164not set as default21:48
me4oslavsnwh: hence I said "applied" :)21:48
amjjawadindeed, we do not need to include that but it should be there21:48
amjjawadin case this will upset someone21:49
amjjawadsome of UG users complains a lot21:49
amjjawadI do know how to deal with that :D hehe but still21:49
amjjawadbut to be honest, our system get much less complains21:49
amjjawadI've been around for 5 years now with many communities21:49
amjjawadwe got the less complains21:49
snwhgnome is much more favourable than Unity ;)21:49
me4oslavand bonus - no Compiz :O21:50
amjjawadsnwh, I guess yes21:50
amjjawadand because it is not as buggy as other systems, we got less complains21:51
amjjawadand also, because it needs a bit of strong machine, you will get less complains as well.21:51
satya164lol21:51
amjjawadWhen I was with Lubuntu for two years .. oh my .. that was too much21:51
amjjawadthe only problem with our system is the latest GNOME21:52
amjjawadand till not, people don't accept that fact that we can't do anything abou tit21:52
amjjawadabout it*21:52
satya164well, there was a plan for having latest gnome in repos, renamed or something I guess?21:53
satya164I heard it long time ago21:53
amjjawadhttp://ubuntugnome.org/gnome-3-12/21:53
amjjawadsatya164, not AFAIK21:53
amjjawaddon't remember darkxst has mentioned that21:54
satya164it was during the 3.8 days I guess21:54
satya164so 1 year ago21:54
me4oslavof course they won't, which I guess is a good from a certain point of view - finally Linux users not caring about the "how stuff is managed under the hood" and just wanting the latest and greatest software. Snob users can be a good thing21:54
satya164anyways, even Fedora doesn't have latest GNOME21:55
amjjawadsatya164, tell this to our stubborn users :P21:55
satya164you need to install 3.12 from copr if you want it on F2021:55
amjjawadI don't care at all whether it is the latest version or not .. as long as it is supported, that is all what I need.21:56
amjjawadBut I do understand others might have different opinion21:56
satya164well, different people prefer different things21:56
satya164I prefer latest, even though it breaks something21:56
satya164so, let's continue the artwork stuff21:56
satya164the easy parts first21:57
amjjawadsatya164, ok21:57
amjjawadgo ahead ;)21:57
satya164I talked to ochosi and bluesabre about including Numix GTK theme21:57
satya164which is already in the repos21:57
satya164in the shimmer-themes package21:57
amjjawadI see21:58
satya164so, we could use that if they split21:58
amjjawadokay, I have a Q21:58
satya164bluesabre was working on splitting the package21:58
amjjawadwhy it is a must to ask for permission since it is FOSS?21:58
satya164ask permission to whom?21:58
amjjawadI mean why we need to ask the creator of any theme?21:59
amjjawadisn't that under GPL or something?21:59
satya164Moka wasn't GPL, so I needed to talk to snwh to make it GPL21:59
amjjawadI see21:59
amjjawadthat makes sense21:59
satya164Also, for Numix, it's already in the repos, so it'll be better to use that package22:00
amjjawadNumix IIRC was refused to be included in ToriOS22:00
amjjawadwhich is my project22:00
satya164refused?22:00
amjjawadI can't remember22:00
satya164me4oslav???22:00
me4oslavrefused?22:00
amjjawadmy memory is rusty22:00
amjjawadlet me check22:00
satya164I remember someone asking 1-2 days ago22:00
me4oslavI wrote a rationale22:00
me4oslavwhy ..png is bad22:00
me4oslavnot bad bad22:00
me4oslavbut bad for lazy peple like me22:01
me4oslavsomething about pixels being squared bastards xD22:01
me4oslavbut I never said no22:01
amjjawadNumix22:01
satya164O.o22:01
amjjawadI just checked22:01
me4oslavunless I was drunk and I've said no and now I can't remember22:01
satya164yeah, when did we refuse! it's GPL anyways22:01
amjjawadNumix = me4oslav correct?22:01
me4oslavnumix - me, satja and three more guys22:02
amjjawadcan't find that email22:03
amjjawadme4oslav, ToriOS is my project22:03
amjjawadand I'm on the leadership of UG22:03
amjjawadand I'm the father of StartUbuntu22:03
amjjawadand more22:03
amjjawadme4oslav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad22:03
me4oslavI won't even start with my list xD22:03
me4oslavIt's longer than the Styx river :>22:04
satya164so, guys, you could just link to your wiki, you know?22:04
amjjawadsatya164, heheh ok ok22:04
amjjawaddon't be mad :P22:04
amjjawadcreate one for you22:04
satya164nope :D22:04
amjjawadI wasn't showing off, I don't have to :D22:04
satya164I have one.22:04
amjjawadI think I have the biggest wiki page ever :)22:05
me4oslavmy wiki is the same as amjjwad, but with me4oslav at the end22:05
satya164I need testimonials, and more stuff - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SatyajitSahoo22:05
snwhsatya164, Moka is cc-by-sa22:05
amjjawadbut I don't care to prove that :P22:05
me4oslavanyways, I didn't say no to tori22:05
amjjawadsatya164, sure, will do that22:05
amjjawadme4oslav, no worries, maybe it is me who got confused sorry:)22:05
satya164thanks :)22:06
satya164so, no one refused to include numix22:06
satya164there must have been a misunderstanding22:06
me4oslavI didn't22:06
amjjawadyeah, just forget it :D22:06
amjjawadso, what else do we have for today?!22:07
satya164so, I'll continue22:07
amjjawadsatya164, ok :)22:07
satya164bluesabre (Sean Davis) has applied for becoming an official packager22:07
amjjawadfor UG?22:08
satya164he has splitted the shimmer-themes package into numix-gtk-theme greybird-gtk-theme etc.22:08
satya164no, for xubuntu22:08
satya164but he will be packaging shimmer-themes22:08
satya164which has numix-gtk-theme22:08
satya164which we can have22:08
amjjawadshimmer for the leader of Xubuntu, correct?22:09
satya164shimmer project, yes22:09
amjjawadI see22:09
amjjawadbut we can't use that by default22:09
amjjawadmeaning, it will not be included by default22:09
satya164(I'm a also part of that, if you don't know)22:09
amjjawadsatya164, I did not :D22:09
satya164lol22:09
amjjawadI have enough projects that keep me SO busy to the point I can't sleep nor shave :P22:10
amjjawadbe careful, I'm a zombie now :D22:10
satya164so, what we can't use by default?22:10
amjjawadI'm asking22:10
satya164of course we can22:10
amjjawadif we include at least 3-4 themes, that would be nice22:10
amjjawadinstead of having none :(22:10
satya164yeah, so numix gtk theme is settled, we won't have to worry much22:11
satya164as for icon themes22:11
me4oslavnot shaving is most excellent <322:11
satya164there is a good one in the shimmer project22:11
satya164forked off from elementary icon themes22:11
amjjawadme4oslav, it scares me sometimes :D22:11
satya164it has good gnome support also22:11
amjjawadso remind me or correct me22:11
amjjawadI'm so dizzy today22:11
satya164remind what?22:12
me4oslavamjjawad: think of rasputin if it does :>22:12
amjjawadwe have nothing .. no icons no themes by default22:12
amjjawadjust one, correct?22:12
satya164jyst one?22:12
satya164in the current one?22:12
amjjawadme4oslav, or maybe richard stallman :D22:12
amjjawadsatya164, we have one22:12
satya164only adwaita22:12
amjjawadyep22:13
amjjawadam I right?22:13
amjjawadsatya164, if we can have more beside that one, that would be great :D22:13
satya164yeah, currently there is only adwaita (which is getting merged to gtk3 in 3.14, and we won't even have a theme then!)22:13
satya164but that's another story22:13
me4oslavamjjawad: oh dear. Rasputin is somewhat less weird than RMS :O22:13
satya164who is rasputin?22:14
amjjawadhe is someone :D just googled him22:14
amjjawadsatya164, O_o22:14
satya164so, amjjawad coming to icon theme22:14
amjjawadhehehe, won't have a theme? :D22:14
amjjawadsatya164, ok ?22:14
satya164yeah, adwaita will be a part of gtk22:14
me4oslavsometimes I forgot you haven't grown in eastern block sovier country ;d22:14
satya164currently the default gtk one is raleigh22:15
satya164the blocky windows 98y one22:15
amjjawaddarkxst, has said something about including icons and themes22:15
amjjawadhe was worried about something but I forgot what was it22:15
satya164he replied to me on the mailing list22:15
satya164checking. a sec22:16
amjjawadok22:16
satya164yeah22:16
satya164he was worried about maintenance22:16
satya164and said to limit the number of themes22:17
amjjawadto how many?22:17
satya1642-322:17
satya164I personally do think we should limit the number of included themes, maybe 2 or 3 at absolute most, people will complain if they break when they22:17
satya164upgrade to the release (or add gnome3 ppa's).  This essentially means the Artwork team is going to have to look after these themes, whether that22:17
satya164is pulling in new upstream versions or fixing bugs. This is the main reason why we have really avoided doing this, up to this date.22:17
satya164tim's words22:17
amjjawadsatya164, what do you think?22:18
amjjawadcan we handle that?22:18
amjjawadhe has the right to be worried because he is the main dev and he got less hands to help that what we suppose to have22:18
satya164Numix GTK theme is maintained by me, and it'll be well maintained as far as I planned22:18
amjjawadI'm thinking, why not I ask on GNOME mailing list and get some help?22:18
satya164Moka is maintained by snwh22:18
satya164amjjawad, help about what?22:19
amjjawadand I'm sure snwh will do his best to keep it maintained as well :)22:19
amjjawadsatya164, devs22:19
satya164maintaining artwork?22:19
amjjawadthe system :D22:20
amjjawadfixing bugs, etc etc22:20
amjjawadI do have some plans for Tim :P that he does not know about yet22:20
satya164lol22:20
amjjawadI can't sit still :D22:20
amjjawadif there is no new ideas/plans, I feel so bad hehe22:20
satya164okay, so I guess let's first fix the list of themes to include, so we can get them packaged22:20
amjjawadokay22:21
amjjawadI'm okay with 322:21
satya164nice22:21
amjjawaddoes that include the default one? or without it?22:21
amjjawadfor breakage, we have sometime to test than on A2 ... let me check when it is due22:21
satya164well, about GTK themes, only 2 we can22:22
darkxstmorning all22:22
satya164and icon themes, may be 322:22
satya164morning darkxst !22:22
amjjawad31-July https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule22:22
satya164so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ?22:22
amjjawaddarkxst, hey :D22:22
amjjawadsince you're here, darkxst .. where is meeting bot? :(22:23
darkxstseen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first22:23
darkxstamjjawad, I don't know!22:24
amjjawadO_o22:24
amjjawadOMG, then who knows?!22:24
satya1641 GTK theme and 1 icon theme are already in the archives22:24
amjjawadI have asked Phill to help22:24
amjjawadand he asked Unit19322:24
amjjawaddarkxst, who is the admin of this channel?!22:25
amjjawadwho has access to add/remove stuff?22:25
darkxstI do, but no idea how to get meetingbot back22:25
satya164O.o22:25
amjjawadO_o22:25
amjjawadokay, we need extra help22:26
amjjawadPhill is always on IRC so maybe it is good idea to add him as an admin?22:26
amjjawadhe takes care of my ToriOS channel22:26
snwhsorry folks I was preoccupied22:26
snwhwhat's going on?22:26
darkxstamjjawad, sure, if he wants to do it22:27
amjjawadokay, I'm talking to him now :D22:28
darkxstsatya164, and they will need testing each cycle22:28
satya164snwh, taling about how good moka can be maintained22:28
satya164and yeah, testing22:28
satya164that we need to do22:28
snwhsatya164, in what way?22:28
amjjawadif people want beautiful system, they need to do some testing :D22:28
satya164maintained means... well maintained ???22:29
amjjawadsnwh, in the way that is is always supported :)22:29
snwhamjjawad, it's that way now, haha22:29
satya164both GTK and icons?22:30
satya164I know the icons are well maintained22:30
satya164no clue about GTK22:30
snwhOrchis GTK is well maintained22:30
amjjawadsnwh, we're happy to know that but we need to be sure before we go ahead22:30
snwhamjjawad,  I'm always working on it22:30
amjjawadsnwh, then I guess that is all what we need to know :D right satya16422:30
satya164yeah, I guess so :D22:31
amjjawaddarkxst, what do you think? :D22:31
snwhI guess any future changes must be completed before the UI freeze22:31
amjjawadsnwh, as always, indeed it must :)22:31
me4oslavno uefis?22:32
darkxstas long as artwork team maintains future breakage that will likely happen each cycle22:32
satya164snwh, yeah, but also remeber that Ubuntu GNOME is always one release behind GNOME22:32
satya164I can fix bugs, yeah22:33
darkxstsatya164, except for -staging which is usually tracking current GNOME22:33
snwhsatya164, true22:33
satya164darkxst, now a days, very little breakage occurs in themes22:33
satya164also, I always try to have the latest GNOME22:34
satya164so I can test much before22:34
darkxstsatya164, ok22:34
snwhlikewise, but mainly just the latest GTK22:34
satya164so snwh , what do you says?22:35
snwhsatya164, regarding?22:35
satya164it'll be done before UI freeze, right?22:35
satya164update to next GTK version?22:35
snwhsatya164, oh that's already done22:36
amjjawadI see some good progress here :)22:36
satya164not only for current cycle, next cycles also22:36
amjjawadsatya164, as long as the theme is supported, yes :)22:36
satya164snwh ?22:36
amjjawaddarkxst, how many themes you're okay with?22:36
snwhsatya164, what would be in 14.10? yes22:37
satya164no no, I'm asking if the updates can be done in time in future releases22:38
amjjawad+122:38
snwhprobably, I'd want the theme I use myself to be up-to-date22:39
snwhhaha22:39
darkxstamjjawad, max 2 for the time being22:39
amjjawadnice22:39
satya164good :D22:39
satya164okay, so GTK themes settled, Orchis and Numix , right ?22:39
amjjawaddarkxst, 2 + the default? so total 3?22:39
darkxstamjjawad, yes22:39
satya164we need to get Orchis to the archives22:39
snwhbtw, Moka icon theme requires the Faba icon theme22:40
satya164snwh, let me come to icon themes22:40
snwhI wasn't sure if you all had talked about it earlier22:40
amjjawaddarkxst, great :D so 3 options instead of one :D22:40
satya164:D22:40
satya164okay, so amjjawad , darkxst Orchis and Numix , right ?22:41
amjjawadwhatever beautiful + maintained22:41
satya164(omg, they rhyme ! )22:41
amjjawadcan I see them? links please?22:41
satya1641 sec22:41
amjjawaddon't laugh, I don't change anything :D22:41
amjjawadI have no time to change a theme :D22:41
satya164http://fav.me/d5ygul622:42
snwhhttp://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/22:42
amjjawaddarkxst, Phill agreed :D22:42
satya164http://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/22:42
snwhI should freshen the screenshots.22:42
darkxstsatya164, ok22:43
satya164great!22:43
amjjawadwait22:43
amjjawadMoka has no icons, right?22:43
amjjawadonly a Theme?22:43
darkxstamjjawad, ok good, I have no idea if I can add him as admin though22:43
satya164we haven't gotten to icons yet22:44
amjjawaddarkxst, ops22:44
amjjawadsatya164, okay22:44
satya164:)22:44
amjjawadthen I don't mind if you all agree22:44
satya164so, there is a good and well maintained icon theme from the shimmer project22:45
satya164forked from elementary icons22:45
satya164and has good gnome support22:45
amjjawadsatya164, what is the name of the current default theme? I'm so bad in names22:45
satya164Adwaita22:45
amjjawadokay thanks :D22:45
satya164:D22:45
amjjawaddarkxst, satya164 said Adwaita is not going to be supported?22:46
amjjawaddid I get that right?22:46
satya164amjjawad, it's part of GNOME22:46
satya164GNOME devs maintain it22:46
satya164and soon going to be part of GTK22:46
amjjawadokay, I guess I'm out of order today :P22:47
satya164we don't have to worry about maintaining yet, apart from providing small ubuntu specific patches, if necessary22:47
satya164:D22:47
amjjawadoh right before I forget .. darkxst we just need to update the release notes for 14.04.1 right? we don't need new one, do we?22:47
satya164also amjjawad http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/elementary-Icons-6543727922:49
amjjawadhmm, satya164 not sure about that one22:50
darkxstamjjawad, I am not sure if we update or create new release notes22:51
satya164amjjawad why?22:51
amjjawaddarkxst, :D so whom should I ask?22:51
amjjawadsatya164, I mean, is there better? :D22:51
amjjawaddarkxst, I have thought about it ... since 14.04.1 is the latest, it is pointless to keep 14.0422:52
darkxstamjjawad, ask the release team22:52
amjjawadI mean, the download page will show .1 not 14.04 after all22:52
satya164it's one of the most popular icon themes to date22:52
amjjawadsatya164, the small blue icons aren't very nice22:53
amjjawadbut that's me :D22:53
satya164amjjawad, lol22:53
satya164it doesn't have small blue icons!22:53
amjjawadsatya164, the big ones are fine22:53
amjjawadthe link you sent?22:53
satya164amjjawad, it only demonstrates the symbolic icons22:54
satya164symbolic icons can have any color22:54
satya164generally they are grey22:54
amjjawadOk22:54
satya164but it depends on the gtk theme22:54
amjjawadI don't mind then ;)22:54
amjjawadwe need 2 themes + 2 icons, correct22:54
satya164but, we won't be able to include them, as they have become too elementaryOS specific now22:55
satya164we can include a fork, however22:55
satya164maintained by shimmer project. it's already in the repos22:55
satya164amjjawad, 3 icon themes I would suggest22:56
satya164amjjawad, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce22:56
darkxst /msg nickserv  *!*@freenode/staff/* +Aiotv22:59
amjjawadask for darkxst opinion :D22:59
satya164yeah, didn't he say fine ?23:00
satya164when he joined the channel I asked!23:00
amjjawadI thought he meant the themes not the icons23:01
amjjawadunless he was talking about the whole thing :D23:01
satya164I asked him 2 gtk themes + 3 icon themes23:01
darkxsticon themes are less problematic, 3 is fine23:02
amjjawadnice :D23:02
amjjawadthen I'd +123:02
amjjawadbut we are talking about the 'defaults', correct? darkxst ?23:02
satya164 " so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ?"23:02
amjjawadso by default, the users will have 2+323:02
satya164 "seen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first"23:02
amjjawad+123:03
satya164so, the link I gave you23:03
darkxstamjjawad, 2 gtk and 3 icons, in addition to the defaults23:03
amjjawaddarkxst, that is great news :D23:03
snwhping me if you need me23:03
satya164indeed :D23:03
satya164yup snwh23:03
amjjawadsnwh, thanks a lot :)23:03
satya164so, amjjawad https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce23:04
amjjawadsatya164, what about it?23:04
satya164only issue, the name23:04
snwhor when you start talking about Moka ;)23:04
satya164it's the form of elementary icons I'm talking about23:04
satya164sure snwh23:04
amjjawadand xfce23:05
amjjawadI'd suggest not to use that just in order to not confuse our users23:05
satya164yeah, we can ask them to rename23:05
amjjawadha? is that even allowed?23:05
satya164I guess so. we can try23:05
satya164at least23:05
amjjawador to play it safe, I'd suggest to look for another one?23:06
satya164ochosi didn't seem to have a y objections23:06
amjjawadI saw the other day nice icons on the repo for UG23:06
satya164amjjawad, it's very well supported and has good gnome support23:06
satya164there is no another one like elementary23:07
amjjawadsatya164, the one that on the repo?23:07
amjjawador you are talking about elementary?23:07
satya164what's in the repo?23:07
satya164I was talking about elementary xfce23:07
satya164amjjawad, which icon is in the repo?23:07
amjjawadsatya164, yea, elem xfce should be maintained for sure ..23:08
amjjawadI don't remember the name, I just typed gnome icons and got some nice but funny colors :D23:08
amjjawadI was fixing a neighbor's laptop and was fooling around23:08
amjjawadI don't do that to my machine :D23:08
satya164you mean shiki-colors ?23:09
amjjawadsatya164, something like gnome-human-icon-theme23:10
satya164oh23:10
satya164yeah, elementary is nicer23:10
amjjawadindeed23:10
satya164and I would suggest to at least try to rename it. no harm in trying, right?23:10
amjjawadthat what I noticed 'after' installing the icons heheeh23:10
satya164we just need a good name, which fits with both gnome and xfce23:11
amjjawadsatya164, if you could do that task, I don't mind :P I'm sure you know who is the one that we need to ask23:11
satya164so no DE specific names23:11
satya164yeah, I do23:11
satya164I'll ask23:11
satya164so, next23:11
amjjawadno DE specific name = +123:11
satya164Numix Circle icon theme23:11
amjjawadlink please23:12
satya164https://plus.google.com/115833527622591803679/posts/NcmkJkWSNah23:12
amjjawadvery very nice23:14
amjjawadthis will match our logo :D23:14
satya164:D23:14
satya164great23:14
amjjawadHUGE +123:14
satya164so, last one, Moka23:14
amjjawaddazzle me :D23:14
satya164snwh, come here :D23:14
snwhno23:15
snwh:P23:15
satya164http://mokaproject.com/moka-icon-theme/23:15
amjjawadsnwh, hehe23:15
amjjawadWHAT are you waiting for? :D23:15
amjjawadGO GO GO23:15
satya164O.o23:15
amjjawadit means YES YES YES :P23:16
satya164so...23:16
snwhI think he likes it23:16
satya164great23:16
amjjawadsatya164, I thought it was me who is sleepy :P23:16
satya164snwh, care to explain the dependency chain?23:16
amjjawadit is yet another HUGE +123:16
amjjawadnow, I just not happy with the first one23:16
snwhfor gnome-shell it's just moka-icon-theme & faba-icon-theme23:16
amjjawadelem xfce23:17
amjjawadwe might need plan B just in case the name thing won't go well23:17
snwhsilly Unity users would need/want faba-mono-icons23:17
snwhrenaming elementary-xfce?23:17
satya164amjjawad, well, I don't mind if it doesn't get included23:17
satya164yeah renaming it23:17
amjjawadsatya164, but that means 2 icons instead of 323:17
amjjawadsnwh, yes23:17
snwhmousey-icon-theme23:18
satya164yeah, but quality is important than quantity23:18
snwhboth is important :P23:18
satya164I don't find lots of good quality icon themes23:18
satya164:D23:18
amjjawadlink?23:18
satya164what link?23:18
amjjawadmousey-icon-theme23:19
satya164mousey lol :D23:19
satya164may be ochosi will like it :D23:19
satya164lol23:19
satya164snwh was suggesting new name for elementary-xfce23:19
amjjawadohhhh23:19
satya164:p23:19
amjjawadI don't know23:19
satya164you are definitely sleepy23:19
amjjawadto be very honest, I'm looking for something different23:20
amjjawadsatya164, as if you're not :P heheh23:20
satya164yeah, I just gave you 3 very different icon themes23:20
satya164and 2 very different gtk themes23:20
amjjawadindeed satya164 I liked 2 and not 100% happy with the 3rd23:20
satya164yes, but that's a classic tango styled icon theme23:21
snwhregarding quantity Moka has 15710 icons :323:21
satya164me4oslav, do you have the count of numix icons?23:21
snwhthere's a lot of symlinks in there23:22
amjjawadO_o 15710?!23:22
snwhand I make 8 icons for every 1 app23:22
amjjawadWOW!23:22
snwhthere's only 750 ish real icons per size. :P23:23
snwhand that's jsut moka-icon-theme and why the package will be ~15 MB23:23
satya164Numix Circle has 2682 app icons23:24
satya164including symlinks23:24
satya164number will be much bigger if I include action icons, mimes etc23:24
snwhit's not a contest ;)23:24
satya164lol :D23:24
satya164just felt the urge to show off :D23:24
amjjawadhahah23:24
satya164okay. great23:25
amjjawadanything before I go?23:25
satya164yeah23:25
amjjawadI just have zero energy23:25
amjjawaddarkxst, any news for meeting bot?23:25
satya164numix-icon-theme-circle depends on numix-icon-theme and moka-icon-theme depends on faba-icon-theme23:25
darkxstamjjawad, waiting on Unit23:26
amjjawaddarkxst, ok, thanks :)23:26
satya164isn't it snwh?23:26
amjjawaddarkxst, did my logic about the release notes accepted by you?23:26
amjjawadsatya164, so, you are saying both must be added, right23:26
snwhsatya164, if it were I'd be adding them all day long23:26
snwhto have oodles23:26
satya164amjjawad, yes23:26
amjjawadthat means 4 instead of 223:27
snwhstrictly speaking, yes23:27
amjjawadso elementary xfce could be out safely?!23:27
satya164yeah, but they are essentially one icon theme split into 2 to make maintenance easier, 2 components of one icon theme23:28
amjjawadlinks please?23:28
satya164numix-icon-theme-circle only has app icons23:28
amjjawadI have the circle one23:28
amjjawadok23:28
snwhlikewise for moka23:28
satya164numix-icon-theme has the system icons like folders, mimes etc23:29
amjjawadjust saw Faba23:29
satya164amjjawad, http://fav.me/d6yf40n23:29
amjjawadvery nice23:29
amjjawadops, that is very Win8 :'(23:29
darkxstamjjawad, probably, except 14.04 images will remain available for download?23:29
amjjawaddarkxst, okay but why?23:30
satya164amjjawad, that's the trend now a days :D23:30
amjjawaddarkxst, the user will have then to install lots of packages. I'd say to include 14.04.1 only23:30
amjjawadsatya164, oh my :(23:30
satya164and win8 doesn't have borders, those are more like googley23:30
amjjawadYou have no idea how much I hate Win823:30
satya164not inspired by win8 in any sense23:31
amjjawadokay, perhaps this will attract Win Users23:31
satya164they are inspired by google!23:31
amjjawadOkay, go ahead23:31
satya164:D23:31
darkxstamjjawad, we would link to 14.04.1 from our site, but the 14.04 images will still be available from mirrors23:31
amjjawaddarkxst, yeah sure but the pages will only show 14.04.123:31
amjjawadwe won't remove the old ones ... we just update our links to 14.04.1 which is the latest23:31
amjjawadsatya164, so, 2 themes = done + 2 (4) icons = done .. only xfce one left23:32
satya164I'll try renaming23:32
satya164ask for rename23:32
satya164then we can decide23:32
amjjawadsatya164, sound good to me23:33
satya164so, we need to get the following things packaged amjjawad23:33
amjjawadand we need to tell our community as well23:33
amjjawador should we wait until the package is done?23:33
satya164numix-icon-theme, numix-icon-theme-circle, moka-icon-theme, faba-icon-theme, orchis-gtk-theme23:33
satya164I guess we should wait till packaging. but we should tell in ML23:34
satya164not in social networks23:34
satya164not just yet23:34
satya164so amjjawad who will handle packaging?23:35
amjjawadsatya164, you know it is not me, don't you? :D23:35
satya164it's nosjka23:35
amjjawadI guess you guys? or darkxst or Noskcaj23:36
satya164I cannot spell lol23:36
satya164noskcaj23:36
amjjawadI can't too, I cheated :P23:36
satya164:D23:36
amjjawadN o then tab Noskcaj23:36
satya164haha23:36
amjjawadthe reverse of Jackson23:36
satya164ooh23:36
satya164good to know23:37
amjjawadI'm so sad that meeting bot is not here :(23:37
satya164:(23:37
amjjawadanyway, hopefully next week it is here23:37
amjjawadanything else?23:37
satya164also we need to announce the wall contest in social media https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-gnome-14-10/23:37
satya164the flickr group is set up23:38
satya164alfredo sent it to ML also23:38
amjjawadsatya164, that is exactly why you have been given access ;) :D23:39
amjjawadso I could finally have some rest :P23:39
amjjawadhehehe23:39
satya164:D23:39
amjjawadI kept the channels busy for a year23:39
amjjawadit is time to share the burden :P hahaha23:39
satya164so, the last date of submission could be august 21st23:39
amjjawadcan't believe how that year has passed ... WOW23:39
amjjawadI'm with you for a year23:40
amjjawadno wait23:40
amjjawadtomorrow :D23:40
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team23:40
amjjawadWOW23:40
amjjawadI have to celebrate23:40
satya164:D23:40
satya164Send some Pizzas :)23:40
amjjawadit was the best year really23:41
amjjawadhahaha23:41
amjjawaddarkxst, is one of the best people I have worked with23:41
amjjawadand all of you as well23:41
satya164:)23:41
satya164thank you23:41
amjjawad:D23:41
satya164so, before I go to sleep, we need to decide 2 things23:42
amjjawadshoot23:42
amjjawadI'm ZzZzz23:42
satya164last date of wallpaper contest (suggestion - 15th aug)23:43
satya164and submission process - public voting for 1 week23:43
amjjawadbefore UI freeze in 1-2 weeks23:43
satya164yeah, long before UI freeze :)23:44
amjjawadhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule23:44
amjjawadwhich is yes, 31-Aug23:44
amjjawador 30 whatever :D23:44
amjjawadokay, agreed23:44
amjjawadnext?23:44
satya164ui freeze is 11th sep23:45
amjjawadi know :D23:45
amjjawadjust cheated again :D23:45
satya164:D23:45
satya164so what about voting process?23:45
amjjawadthat is why bookmarks are helpful :D23:45
amjjawadwhat voting?23:45
satya164public voting is fine?23:45
amjjawadabout what?23:45
satya164for wallpaper selection23:45
amjjawadhmmm23:45
amjjawadwhat about it?23:46
satya164we need to choose 10, right23:46
amjjawadyes AFAIK23:46
amjjawadyeah 123:46
amjjawad1023:46
amjjawadlast cycle was 1023:46
satya164okay. great then :D23:46
satya164so, that's it23:46
satya164I'll do the announcement for the wallpaper contest tomorrow in social media and blogs23:46
amjjawadno worries23:47
amjjawadblogs?23:47
amjjawadour website?23:47
satya164worldofgnome, omgubuntu etc23:47
amjjawadoh ok23:47
satya164:)23:47
satya164so that's it.23:48
amjjawadthen I should add that to our website23:48
amjjawadtwo quick things to share with you23:48
satya164yup?23:48
amjjawad(1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap << any page to be created should be added here23:48
satya164okay23:48
amjjawadI'm sure I announced that last cycle :D23:48
satya164I guess you did ;p23:48
amjjawad(2) our Twitter account is linked with Failbook (AKA Facebook)23:48
satya164okay23:49
amjjawadso, you don't need to worry about it23:49
amjjawadonce you post on failbook, it will tweet23:49
satya164so anything I post on fb will be tweeted?23:49
amjjawadbut it is not with G+23:49
amjjawadyep23:49
satya164so, how about long posts?23:49
amjjawadanything on fb will tweeted directly23:49
amjjawaddon't worry about that23:49
satya164ok23:49
amjjawadhttps://twitter.com/ubuntu_gnome23:49
amjjawadthat is why I always started my posts with #Ubuntu_GNOME23:50
satya164ooh23:50
amjjawadI add them at the start so when it will tweet that, it will be shown ;)23:50
satya164okay23:50
amjjawadusually, any post on failbook is copy-paste on G+23:51
satya164:D23:51
amjjawadI'm not quiting :P23:51
amjjawadbut it is always great to have more hands to help23:51
satya164yup23:51
amjjawadthere will be a surprise for all of ya23:51
amjjawadbut not now :D23:51
satya164waiting for it23:51
amjjawadmost likely with 14.10 release23:51
amjjawadnot sure yet23:51
amjjawadworking on it :D23:51
amjjawadand No, it is about UG not ToriOS not StartUbuntu23:52
amjjawadokay, we have to go I guess ZzZz23:52
satya164also, about the website, we didn't receive any mock-ups yet. We better get started before Neils gets busy in some other work23:52
amjjawadhe sent an email23:52
amjjawadhe said give me 14 days23:52
amjjawadI think we need to send to the ML23:53
satya164I did23:53
amjjawad+ publish on the Social media23:53
amjjawadfor some reason, this cycle, we need to send more than once23:53
satya164yeah, we need to publish on social media23:53
amjjawadnot sure why23:53
satya164:(23:53
amjjawadno meeting bot23:53
amjjawadhow am I suppose to remember that now23:53
amjjawadokay, I hope I won't forget these points23:54
amjjawadokay, must fade away23:54
satya164also, I cannot post from the page, can I?23:54
amjjawadcan't resist anymore23:54
satya164G+ page23:54
amjjawadI guess23:54
amjjawadyou can23:54
satya164I don't see it in my accounts23:54
amjjawadI will double check that23:54
amjjawadO_o23:54
amjjawadrefresh maybe?23:54
amjjawadit is not on the account23:55
satya164I just got a ntification about moderator in the community23:55
amjjawadyou need to click that icon on the top right23:55
satya164I know23:55
amjjawadlet me check23:55
satya164ok23:55
amjjawadcoz u didn't accept the invite23:55
amjjawadit is showing pendning23:56
amjjawadpending*23:56
satya164ooh23:56
satya164:)23:56
satya164I'll23:56
satya164thanks23:56
satya164gn823:56
amjjawadI removed you and re-added you23:57
amjjawadgood night ZzZz23:57
amjjawadcya everyone23:57
satya164bye23:57

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