[05:41] <jose2> hola
[05:41] <jose2> 8-)
[15:07] <minz> hello
[21:08] <me4oslav> hullo. Satja invited me here to listen. If I cause havoc it will be his fault :>
[21:09] <satya164> anyone here?
[21:09] <me4oslav> I will try to be a good doggie and just listen and drink and don't make all hades break loose
[21:09] <satya164> we need to wait amjjwad to come
[21:10] <me4oslav> if anyone starts talking about Numix ping me, otherwise I will watch ... yeah, I betta not say what
[21:11] <satya164> Or any team leader...
[21:12] <satya164> hey amjjawad !
[21:13] <amjjawad> satya164, hey :D
[21:13] <amjjawad> sorry for being late
[21:13] <satya164> np :D
[21:13] <amjjawad> are we alone as usual? :D
[21:13] <satya164> I invited me4oslav
[21:13] <amjjawad> hmmm, who is he/she?
[21:14] <satya164> Georgi, from Numix
[21:14] <amjjawad> Oh ok
[21:14] <satya164> :)
[21:14] <me4oslav> also, lots of other things
[21:14] <amjjawad> oh hi me4oslav :)
[21:15] <me4oslav> including home based alcoholic and more shocking stuff xD
[21:15] <satya164> so, what are the topics to discuss>
[21:15] <satya164> ?
[21:15] <amjjawad> satya164, it seems we are alone
[21:15] <amjjawad> let me start the meeting one moment please
[21:16] <satya164> okies
[21:16] <amjjawad> #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Team Meeting #4
[21:16] <amjjawad> ?
[21:16] <amjjawad> it didn't work
[21:17] <satya164> O.o
[21:17] <amjjawad> O_o
[21:17] <amjjawad> where is meetbot?
[21:17] <satya164> I have no idea
[21:17] <amjjawad> O_o
[21:17] <satya164> I'm a noob in IRC stuff
[21:17] <amjjawad> darkxst, Noskcaj are you there?
[21:18] <amjjawad> I will try to ask for help
[21:18] <satya164> okay
[21:19] <me4oslav> at least your haven't nicknamed your bot blondie
[21:19] <satya164> may be he got pissed of at me4oslav and went away!
[21:19] <amjjawad> satya164, that depends what he did say ;)
[21:20] <me4oslav> shockingly enough I haven't caused all tartarus to break loose yet, but there is time
[21:20] <amjjawad> but how come it is not there? hmm, and darkxst might be ZzZz now ... I asked Phill but he is busy
[21:20] <amjjawad> he will help in a moment
[21:20] <satya164> ok
[21:20] <satya164> I';; wait
[21:20] <satya164> I'll*
[21:21] <amjjawad> ok, let's not waste the time ... have you got my invite to the G+ page and community?
[21:21] <satya164> yes
[21:21] <amjjawad> Artwork guys should be around ;)
[21:21] <amjjawad> do you have failbook account?
[21:21] <satya164> failbook!!!!
[21:21] <amjjawad> yes, this is how I call it
[21:21] <satya164> I've facebook :D
[21:21] <amjjawad> link please
[21:21] <me4oslav> it is failbook
[21:22] <amjjawad> indeed it is
[21:22] <satya164> facebook.com/satya164
[21:25] <amjjawad> satya164, done
[21:25] <satya164> thanks :D
[21:25] <amjjawad> you just need to deal with Artwork stuff
[21:25] <amjjawad> keep the pages as busy as you can :D
[21:25] <satya164> yes, sure!
[21:25] <satya164> I'll try
[21:25] <amjjawad> don't forget to use the hashtages, just like what I do
[21:25] <satya164> okies
[21:25] <amjjawad> specially on G+, hashtages are so important
[21:25] <amjjawad> okay, no sign of Phill yet
[21:26] <amjjawad> anything off-topic you wish to discuss or less important ?
[21:26] <amjjawad> because I really need to save the log
[21:26] <satya164> the logs are on http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome in case that helps
[21:28] <amjjawad> satya164, not really :(
[21:29] <amjjawad> we need too use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology
[21:29] <satya164> ok. but why isn't it working!
[21:29] <amjjawad> because the meeting bot is gone
[21:29] <amjjawad> #startmeeting test
[21:29] <satya164> gone where?
[21:29] <amjjawad> no idea O_o
[21:29] <amjjawad> it was there the other day
[21:30] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings#Previous_Meetings
[21:30] <satya164> you could try /invite or something?
[21:30] <amjjawad> I'm not the admin on this IRC channel
[21:30] <amjjawad> I'm not the type of IRC as you may know. I come here only when there is a meeting.
[21:31] <satya164> me too
[21:31] <amjjawad> :D
[21:31] <satya164> so, what to do now?
[21:31] <amjjawad> since it is me and you only, we have no choice but to talk about Artwork
[21:31] <satya164> ok
[21:31] <amjjawad> have you guys seen the blueprints?
[21:32] <satya164> I'm on a vacation right now btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation
[21:32] <satya164> having another look at blueprints
[21:33] <amjjawad> O_o
[21:33] <amjjawad> why then I have not got any notification :(
[21:33] <satya164> nothing special there
[21:33] <satya164> you didn't?
[21:34] <satya164> so, we are working on everything the blueprint has, website and wallpaper contest
[21:35] <amjjawad> something is fishy
[21:35] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation
[21:35] <amjjawad> I was the one who created that page and I do subscribe to any page once I create it
[21:35] <satya164> O.o
[21:35] <amjjawad> I didn't get any notification ... usually, when anyone do any edit, those who are subscribed to the page, they got notifications
[21:35] <satya164> yeah
[21:36] <amjjawad> okay, no problem, maybe the server is crazy
[21:36] <satya164> may be!
[21:36] <amjjawad> Okay, I'm not worried about the website nor the contest to be honest
[21:36] <amjjawad> I'm worried about the system
[21:36] <amjjawad> we do need to put some efforts into the system
[21:37] <amjjawad> being rock solid is not enough ... we need a beautiful system as well
[21:37] <satya164> okay
[21:38] <satya164> I talked to snwh about moka
[21:38] <me4oslav> I can confirm it is rock solid. 14.10 with Gnome 3.12 is extremely stable for me
[21:38] <amjjawad> me4oslav, you mean alpha 1 ?
[21:38] <me4oslav> amjjawad: yeah
[21:39] <me4oslav> the lastest daily 14.10
[21:39] <amjjawad> me4oslav, very interesting
[21:39] <amjjawad> glad to know :D
[21:40] <amjjawad> satya164, have you checked the roadmap for UG Artwork?
[21:40] <amjjawad> I hope you did
[21:41] <amjjawad> because I mentioned there that we need more beautiful artwork. I'm thinking to change everything :D
[21:41] <satya164> hnging w=everything?
[21:41] <satya164> changing everything?
[21:42] <amjjawad> yep
[21:42] <amjjawad> splash
[21:42] <amjjawad> default wallpaper
[21:42] <amjjawad> stuff like that
[21:42] <amjjawad> the dark grey one is just too dark
[21:42] <satya164> ah. I don't see it in the roadmap!
[21:43] <amjjawad> satya164, then you didn't check well :P
[21:43] <satya164> O.o
[21:43] <satya164> where?
[21:43] <amjjawad> hahah
[21:43] <satya164> this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/artwork-utopic-unicorn-roadmap
[21:43] <satya164> right?
[21:44] <amjjawad>  1- Improve the look and feel of Ubuntu GNOME (system).
[21:44] <amjjawad> yep
[21:44] <snwh> hello hello
[21:44] <satya164> hello snwh
[21:44] <me4oslav> one thing (not that I've any power here too ... at least not yet :P) - this started as Gnome Vanilla Ubuntu flavour (as much vanilla as possible), if it starts going less vanilla your community will start whinning and there will be backlash
[21:44] <amjjawad> hello snwh :)
[21:44] <satya164> amjjawad, okay.. so that needs an explanation
[21:45] <amjjawad> satya164, yes. I'm :D
[21:45] <satya164> I agree me4oslav
[21:45] <amjjawad> splash and default wallpapers and we need themes and icons
[21:46] <satya164> so I talked with snwh for including moka
[21:46] <amjjawad> snwh, is the father of moka?
[21:46] <satya164> who is here now
[21:46] <snwh> which means (Moka & Faba) ;)
[21:46] <snwh> I am indeed
[21:46] <amjjawad> snwh, I think we have had a quick chat on G+
[21:47] <amjjawad> IIRC
[21:47] <amjjawad> not 100% sure to be honest
[21:47] <amjjawad> satya164, so, what is the outcome? :D
[21:47] <me4oslav> one more thing - adopring moka/numix/whatever-popular applied (not just installed OTB) may cause folks to brand you "moka/numix/whatever Ubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu Gnome", community can be shallow thinking careful with it
[21:47] <snwh> I couldn't be sure
[21:48] <snwh> me4oslav, from what I gather, it's just having them in the Ubuntu repos as an option
[21:48] <satya164> and installed by default
[21:48] <satya164> not set as default
[21:48] <me4oslav> snwh: hence I said "applied" :)
[21:48] <amjjawad> indeed, we do not need to include that but it should be there
[21:49] <amjjawad> in case this will upset someone
[21:49] <amjjawad> some of UG users complains a lot
[21:49] <amjjawad> I do know how to deal with that :D hehe but still
[21:49] <amjjawad> but to be honest, our system get much less complains
[21:49] <amjjawad> I've been around for 5 years now with many communities
[21:49] <amjjawad> we got the less complains
[21:49] <snwh> gnome is much more favourable than Unity ;)
[21:50] <me4oslav> and bonus - no Compiz :O
[21:50] <amjjawad> snwh, I guess yes
[21:51] <amjjawad> and because it is not as buggy as other systems, we got less complains
[21:51] <amjjawad> and also, because it needs a bit of strong machine, you will get less complains as well.
[21:51] <satya164> lol
[21:51] <amjjawad> When I was with Lubuntu for two years .. oh my .. that was too much
[21:52] <amjjawad> the only problem with our system is the latest GNOME
[21:52] <amjjawad> and till not, people don't accept that fact that we can't do anything abou tit
[21:52] <amjjawad> about it*
[21:53] <satya164> well, there was a plan for having latest gnome in repos, renamed or something I guess?
[21:53] <satya164> I heard it long time ago
[21:53] <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/gnome-3-12/
[21:53] <amjjawad> satya164, not AFAIK
[21:54] <amjjawad> don't remember darkxst has mentioned that
[21:54] <satya164> it was during the 3.8 days I guess
[21:54] <satya164> so 1 year ago
[21:54] <me4oslav> of course they won't, which I guess is a good from a certain point of view - finally Linux users not caring about the "how stuff is managed under the hood" and just wanting the latest and greatest software. Snob users can be a good thing
[21:55] <satya164> anyways, even Fedora doesn't have latest GNOME
[21:55] <amjjawad> satya164, tell this to our stubborn users :P
[21:55] <satya164> you need to install 3.12 from copr if you want it on F20
[21:56] <amjjawad> I don't care at all whether it is the latest version or not .. as long as it is supported, that is all what I need.
[21:56] <amjjawad> But I do understand others might have different opinion
[21:56] <satya164> well, different people prefer different things
[21:56] <satya164> I prefer latest, even though it breaks something
[21:56] <satya164> so, let's continue the artwork stuff
[21:57] <satya164> the easy parts first
[21:57] <amjjawad> satya164, ok
[21:57] <amjjawad> go ahead ;)
[21:57] <satya164> I talked to ochosi and bluesabre about including Numix GTK theme
[21:57] <satya164> which is already in the repos
[21:57] <satya164> in the shimmer-themes package
[21:58] <amjjawad> I see
[21:58] <satya164> so, we could use that if they split
[21:58] <amjjawad> okay, I have a Q
[21:58] <satya164> bluesabre was working on splitting the package
[21:58] <amjjawad> why it is a must to ask for permission since it is FOSS?
[21:58] <satya164> ask permission to whom?
[21:59] <amjjawad> I mean why we need to ask the creator of any theme?
[21:59] <amjjawad> isn't that under GPL or something?
[21:59] <satya164> Moka wasn't GPL, so I needed to talk to snwh to make it GPL
[21:59] <amjjawad> I see
[21:59] <amjjawad> that makes sense
[22:00] <satya164> Also, for Numix, it's already in the repos, so it'll be better to use that package
[22:00] <amjjawad> Numix IIRC was refused to be included in ToriOS
[22:00] <amjjawad> which is my project
[22:00] <satya164> refused?
[22:00] <amjjawad> I can't remember
[22:00] <satya164> me4oslav???
[22:00] <me4oslav> refused?
[22:00] <amjjawad> my memory is rusty
[22:00] <amjjawad> let me check
[22:00] <satya164> I remember someone asking 1-2 days ago
[22:00] <me4oslav> I wrote a rationale
[22:00] <me4oslav> why ..png is bad
[22:00] <me4oslav> not bad bad
[22:01] <me4oslav> but bad for lazy peple like me
[22:01] <me4oslav> something about pixels being squared bastards xD
[22:01] <me4oslav> but I never said no
[22:01] <amjjawad> Numix
[22:01] <satya164> O.o
[22:01] <amjjawad> I just checked
[22:01] <me4oslav> unless I was drunk and I've said no and now I can't remember
[22:01] <satya164> yeah, when did we refuse! it's GPL anyways
[22:01] <amjjawad> Numix = me4oslav correct?
[22:02] <me4oslav> numix - me, satja and three more guys
[22:03] <amjjawad> can't find that email
[22:03] <amjjawad> me4oslav, ToriOS is my project
[22:03] <amjjawad> and I'm on the leadership of UG
[22:03] <amjjawad> and I'm the father of StartUbuntu
[22:03] <amjjawad> and more
[22:03] <amjjawad> me4oslav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad
[22:03] <me4oslav> I won't even start with my list xD
[22:04] <me4oslav> It's longer than the Styx river :>
[22:04] <satya164> so, guys, you could just link to your wiki, you know?
[22:04] <amjjawad> satya164, heheh ok ok
[22:04] <amjjawad> don't be mad :P
[22:04] <amjjawad> create one for you
[22:04] <satya164> nope :D
[22:04] <amjjawad> I wasn't showing off, I don't have to :D
[22:04] <satya164> I have one.
[22:05] <amjjawad> I think I have the biggest wiki page ever :)
[22:05] <me4oslav> my wiki is the same as amjjwad, but with me4oslav at the end
[22:05] <satya164> I need testimonials, and more stuff - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SatyajitSahoo
[22:05] <snwh> satya164, Moka is cc-by-sa
[22:05] <amjjawad> but I don't care to prove that :P
[22:05] <me4oslav> anyways, I didn't say no to tori
[22:05] <amjjawad> satya164, sure, will do that
[22:05] <amjjawad> me4oslav, no worries, maybe it is me who got confused sorry:)
[22:06] <satya164> thanks :)
[22:06] <satya164> so, no one refused to include numix
[22:06] <satya164> there must have been a misunderstanding
[22:06] <me4oslav> I didn't
[22:06] <amjjawad> yeah, just forget it :D
[22:07] <amjjawad> so, what else do we have for today?!
[22:07] <satya164> so, I'll continue
[22:07] <amjjawad> satya164, ok :)
[22:07] <satya164> bluesabre (Sean Davis) has applied for becoming an official packager
[22:08] <amjjawad> for UG?
[22:08] <satya164> he has splitted the shimmer-themes package into numix-gtk-theme greybird-gtk-theme etc.
[22:08] <satya164> no, for xubuntu
[22:08] <satya164> but he will be packaging shimmer-themes
[22:08] <satya164> which has numix-gtk-theme
[22:08] <satya164> which we can have
[22:09] <amjjawad> shimmer for the leader of Xubuntu, correct?
[22:09] <satya164> shimmer project, yes
[22:09] <amjjawad> I see
[22:09] <amjjawad> but we can't use that by default
[22:09] <amjjawad> meaning, it will not be included by default
[22:09] <satya164> (I'm a also part of that, if you don't know)
[22:09] <amjjawad> satya164, I did not :D
[22:09] <satya164> lol
[22:10] <amjjawad> I have enough projects that keep me SO busy to the point I can't sleep nor shave :P
[22:10] <amjjawad> be careful, I'm a zombie now :D
[22:10] <satya164> so, what we can't use by default?
[22:10] <amjjawad> I'm asking
[22:10] <satya164> of course we can
[22:10] <amjjawad> if we include at least 3-4 themes, that would be nice
[22:10] <amjjawad> instead of having none :(
[22:11] <satya164> yeah, so numix gtk theme is settled, we won't have to worry much
[22:11] <satya164> as for icon themes
[22:11] <me4oslav> not shaving is most excellent <3
[22:11] <satya164> there is a good one in the shimmer project
[22:11] <satya164> forked off from elementary icon themes
[22:11] <amjjawad> me4oslav, it scares me sometimes :D
[22:11] <satya164> it has good gnome support also
[22:11] <amjjawad> so remind me or correct me
[22:11] <amjjawad> I'm so dizzy today
[22:12] <satya164> remind what?
[22:12] <me4oslav> amjjawad: think of rasputin if it does :>
[22:12] <amjjawad> we have nothing .. no icons no themes by default
[22:12] <amjjawad> just one, correct?
[22:12] <satya164> jyst one?
[22:12] <satya164> in the current one?
[22:12] <amjjawad> me4oslav, or maybe richard stallman :D
[22:12] <amjjawad> satya164, we have one
[22:12] <satya164> only adwaita
[22:13] <amjjawad> yep
[22:13] <amjjawad> am I right?
[22:13] <amjjawad> satya164, if we can have more beside that one, that would be great :D
[22:13] <satya164> yeah, currently there is only adwaita (which is getting merged to gtk3 in 3.14, and we won't even have a theme then!)
[22:13] <satya164> but that's another story
[22:13] <me4oslav> amjjawad: oh dear. Rasputin is somewhat less weird than RMS :O
[22:14] <satya164> who is rasputin?
[22:14] <amjjawad> he is someone :D just googled him
[22:14] <amjjawad> satya164, O_o
[22:14] <satya164> so, amjjawad coming to icon theme
[22:14] <amjjawad> hehehe, won't have a theme? :D
[22:14] <amjjawad> satya164, ok ?
[22:14] <satya164> yeah, adwaita will be a part of gtk
[22:14] <me4oslav> sometimes I forgot you haven't grown in eastern block sovier country ;d
[22:15] <satya164> currently the default gtk one is raleigh
[22:15] <satya164> the blocky windows 98y one
[22:15] <amjjawad> darkxst, has said something about including icons and themes
[22:15] <amjjawad> he was worried about something but I forgot what was it
[22:15] <satya164> he replied to me on the mailing list
[22:16] <satya164> checking. a sec
[22:16] <amjjawad> ok
[22:16] <satya164> yeah
[22:16] <satya164> he was worried about maintenance
[22:17] <satya164> and said to limit the number of themes
[22:17] <amjjawad> to how many?
[22:17] <satya164> 2-3
[22:17] <satya164> I personally do think we should limit the number of included themes, maybe 2 or 3 at absolute most, people will complain if they break when they
[22:17] <satya164> upgrade to the release (or add gnome3 ppa's).  This essentially means the Artwork team is going to have to look after these themes, whether that
[22:17] <satya164> is pulling in new upstream versions or fixing bugs. This is the main reason why we have really avoided doing this, up to this date.
[22:17] <satya164> tim's words
[22:18] <amjjawad> satya164, what do you think?
[22:18] <amjjawad> can we handle that?
[22:18] <amjjawad> he has the right to be worried because he is the main dev and he got less hands to help that what we suppose to have
[22:18] <satya164> Numix GTK theme is maintained by me, and it'll be well maintained as far as I planned
[22:18] <amjjawad> I'm thinking, why not I ask on GNOME mailing list and get some help?
[22:18] <satya164> Moka is maintained by snwh
[22:19] <satya164> amjjawad, help about what?
[22:19] <amjjawad> and I'm sure snwh will do his best to keep it maintained as well :)
[22:19] <amjjawad> satya164, devs
[22:19] <satya164> maintaining artwork?
[22:20] <amjjawad> the system :D
[22:20] <amjjawad> fixing bugs, etc etc
[22:20] <amjjawad> I do have some plans for Tim :P that he does not know about yet
[22:20] <satya164> lol
[22:20] <amjjawad> I can't sit still :D
[22:20] <amjjawad> if there is no new ideas/plans, I feel so bad hehe
[22:20] <satya164> okay, so I guess let's first fix the list of themes to include, so we can get them packaged
[22:21] <amjjawad> okay
[22:21] <amjjawad> I'm okay with 3
[22:21] <satya164> nice
[22:21] <amjjawad> does that include the default one? or without it?
[22:21] <amjjawad> for breakage, we have sometime to test than on A2 ... let me check when it is due
[22:22] <satya164> well, about GTK themes, only 2 we can
[22:22] <darkxst> morning all
[22:22] <satya164> and icon themes, may be 3
[22:22] <satya164> morning darkxst !
[22:22] <amjjawad> 31-July https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[22:22] <satya164> so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ?
[22:22] <amjjawad> darkxst, hey :D
[22:23] <amjjawad> since you're here, darkxst .. where is meeting bot? :(
[22:23] <darkxst> seen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first
[22:24] <darkxst> amjjawad, I don't know!
[22:24] <amjjawad> O_o
[22:24] <amjjawad> OMG, then who knows?!
[22:24] <satya164> 1 GTK theme and 1 icon theme are already in the archives
[22:24] <amjjawad> I have asked Phill to help
[22:24] <amjjawad> and he asked Unit193
[22:25] <amjjawad> darkxst, who is the admin of this channel?!
[22:25] <amjjawad> who has access to add/remove stuff?
[22:25] <darkxst> I do, but no idea how to get meetingbot back
[22:25] <satya164> O.o
[22:25] <amjjawad> O_o
[22:26] <amjjawad> okay, we need extra help
[22:26] <amjjawad> Phill is always on IRC so maybe it is good idea to add him as an admin?
[22:26] <amjjawad> he takes care of my ToriOS channel
[22:26] <snwh> sorry folks I was preoccupied
[22:26] <snwh> what's going on?
[22:27] <darkxst> amjjawad, sure, if he wants to do it
[22:28] <amjjawad> okay, I'm talking to him now :D
[22:28] <darkxst> satya164, and they will need testing each cycle
[22:28] <satya164> snwh, taling about how good moka can be maintained
[22:28] <satya164> and yeah, testing
[22:28] <satya164> that we need to do
[22:28] <snwh> satya164, in what way?
[22:28] <amjjawad> if people want beautiful system, they need to do some testing :D
[22:29] <satya164> maintained means... well maintained ???
[22:29] <amjjawad> snwh, in the way that is is always supported :)
[22:29] <snwh> amjjawad, it's that way now, haha
[22:30] <satya164> both GTK and icons?
[22:30] <satya164> I know the icons are well maintained
[22:30] <satya164> no clue about GTK
[22:30] <snwh> Orchis GTK is well maintained
[22:30] <amjjawad> snwh, we're happy to know that but we need to be sure before we go ahead
[22:30] <snwh> amjjawad,  I'm always working on it
[22:30] <amjjawad> snwh, then I guess that is all what we need to know :D right satya164
[22:31] <satya164> yeah, I guess so :D
[22:31] <amjjawad> darkxst, what do you think? :D
[22:31] <snwh> I guess any future changes must be completed before the UI freeze
[22:31] <amjjawad> snwh, as always, indeed it must :)
[22:32] <me4oslav> no uefis?
[22:32] <darkxst> as long as artwork team maintains future breakage that will likely happen each cycle
[22:32] <satya164> snwh, yeah, but also remeber that Ubuntu GNOME is always one release behind GNOME
[22:33] <satya164> I can fix bugs, yeah
[22:33] <darkxst> satya164, except for -staging which is usually tracking current GNOME
[22:33] <snwh> satya164, true
[22:33] <satya164> darkxst, now a days, very little breakage occurs in themes
[22:34] <satya164> also, I always try to have the latest GNOME
[22:34] <satya164> so I can test much before
[22:34] <darkxst> satya164, ok
[22:34] <snwh> likewise, but mainly just the latest GTK
[22:35] <satya164> so snwh , what do you says?
[22:35] <snwh> satya164, regarding?
[22:35] <satya164> it'll be done before UI freeze, right?
[22:35] <satya164> update to next GTK version?
[22:36] <snwh> satya164, oh that's already done
[22:36] <amjjawad> I see some good progress here :)
[22:36] <satya164> not only for current cycle, next cycles also
[22:36] <amjjawad> satya164, as long as the theme is supported, yes :)
[22:36] <satya164> snwh ?
[22:36] <amjjawad> darkxst, how many themes you're okay with?
[22:37] <snwh> satya164, what would be in 14.10? yes
[22:38] <satya164> no no, I'm asking if the updates can be done in time in future releases
[22:38] <amjjawad> +1
[22:39] <snwh> probably, I'd want the theme I use myself to be up-to-date
[22:39] <snwh> haha
[22:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, max 2 for the time being
[22:39] <amjjawad> nice
[22:39] <satya164> good :D
[22:39] <satya164> okay, so GTK themes settled, Orchis and Numix , right ?
[22:39] <amjjawad> darkxst, 2 + the default? so total 3?
[22:39] <darkxst> amjjawad, yes
[22:39] <satya164> we need to get Orchis to the archives
[22:40] <snwh> btw, Moka icon theme requires the Faba icon theme
[22:40] <satya164> snwh, let me come to icon themes
[22:40] <snwh> I wasn't sure if you all had talked about it earlier
[22:40] <amjjawad> darkxst, great :D so 3 options instead of one :D
[22:40] <satya164> :D
[22:41] <satya164> okay, so amjjawad , darkxst Orchis and Numix , right ?
[22:41] <amjjawad> whatever beautiful + maintained
[22:41] <satya164> (omg, they rhyme ! )
[22:41] <amjjawad> can I see them? links please?
[22:41] <satya164> 1 sec
[22:41] <amjjawad> don't laugh, I don't change anything :D
[22:41] <amjjawad> I have no time to change a theme :D
[22:42] <satya164> http://fav.me/d5ygul6
[22:42] <snwh> http://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/
[22:42] <amjjawad> darkxst, Phill agreed :D
[22:42] <satya164> http://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/
[22:42] <snwh> I should freshen the screenshots.
[22:43] <darkxst> satya164, ok
[22:43] <satya164> great!
[22:43] <amjjawad> wait
[22:43] <amjjawad> Moka has no icons, right?
[22:43] <amjjawad> only a Theme?
[22:43] <darkxst> amjjawad, ok good, I have no idea if I can add him as admin though
[22:44] <satya164> we haven't gotten to icons yet
[22:44] <amjjawad> darkxst, ops
[22:44] <amjjawad> satya164, okay
[22:44] <satya164> :)
[22:44] <amjjawad> then I don't mind if you all agree
[22:45] <satya164> so, there is a good and well maintained icon theme from the shimmer project
[22:45] <satya164> forked from elementary icons
[22:45] <satya164> and has good gnome support
[22:45] <amjjawad> satya164, what is the name of the current default theme? I'm so bad in names
[22:45] <satya164> Adwaita
[22:45] <amjjawad> okay thanks :D
[22:45] <satya164> :D
[22:46] <amjjawad> darkxst, satya164 said Adwaita is not going to be supported?
[22:46] <amjjawad> did I get that right?
[22:46] <satya164> amjjawad, it's part of GNOME
[22:46] <satya164> GNOME devs maintain it
[22:46] <satya164> and soon going to be part of GTK
[22:47] <amjjawad> okay, I guess I'm out of order today :P
[22:47] <satya164> we don't have to worry about maintaining yet, apart from providing small ubuntu specific patches, if necessary
[22:47] <satya164> :D
[22:47] <amjjawad> oh right before I forget .. darkxst we just need to update the release notes for 14.04.1 right? we don't need new one, do we?
[22:49] <satya164> also amjjawad http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/elementary-Icons-65437279
[22:50] <amjjawad> hmm, satya164 not sure about that one
[22:51] <darkxst> amjjawad, I am not sure if we update or create new release notes
[22:51] <satya164> amjjawad why?
[22:51] <amjjawad> darkxst, :D so whom should I ask?
[22:51] <amjjawad> satya164, I mean, is there better? :D
[22:52] <amjjawad> darkxst, I have thought about it ... since 14.04.1 is the latest, it is pointless to keep 14.04
[22:52] <darkxst> amjjawad, ask the release team
[22:52] <amjjawad> I mean, the download page will show .1 not 14.04 after all
[22:52] <satya164> it's one of the most popular icon themes to date
[22:53] <amjjawad> satya164, the small blue icons aren't very nice
[22:53] <amjjawad> but that's me :D
[22:53] <satya164> amjjawad, lol
[22:53] <satya164> it doesn't have small blue icons!
[22:53] <amjjawad> satya164, the big ones are fine
[22:53] <amjjawad> the link you sent?
[22:54] <satya164> amjjawad, it only demonstrates the symbolic icons
[22:54] <satya164> symbolic icons can have any color
[22:54] <satya164> generally they are grey
[22:54] <amjjawad> Ok
[22:54] <satya164> but it depends on the gtk theme
[22:54] <amjjawad> I don't mind then ;)
[22:54] <amjjawad> we need 2 themes + 2 icons, correct
[22:55] <satya164> but, we won't be able to include them, as they have become too elementaryOS specific now
[22:55] <satya164> we can include a fork, however
[22:55] <satya164> maintained by shimmer project. it's already in the repos
[22:56] <satya164> amjjawad, 3 icon themes I would suggest
[22:56] <satya164> amjjawad, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce
[22:59] <darkxst>  /msg nickserv  *!*@freenode/staff/* +Aiotv
[22:59] <amjjawad> ask for darkxst opinion :D
[23:00] <satya164> yeah, didn't he say fine ?
[23:00] <satya164> when he joined the channel I asked!
[23:01] <amjjawad> I thought he meant the themes not the icons
[23:01] <amjjawad> unless he was talking about the whole thing :D
[23:01] <satya164> I asked him 2 gtk themes + 3 icon themes
[23:02] <darkxst> icon themes are less problematic, 3 is fine
[23:02] <amjjawad> nice :D
[23:02] <amjjawad> then I'd +1
[23:02] <amjjawad> but we are talking about the 'defaults', correct? darkxst ?
[23:02] <satya164>  " so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ?"
[23:02] <amjjawad> so by default, the users will have 2+3
[23:02] <satya164>  "seen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first"
[23:03] <amjjawad> +1
[23:03] <satya164> so, the link I gave you
[23:03] <darkxst> amjjawad, 2 gtk and 3 icons, in addition to the defaults
[23:03] <amjjawad> darkxst, that is great news :D
[23:03] <snwh> ping me if you need me
[23:03] <satya164> indeed :D
[23:03] <satya164> yup snwh
[23:03] <amjjawad> snwh, thanks a lot :)
[23:04] <satya164> so, amjjawad https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce
[23:04] <amjjawad> satya164, what about it?
[23:04] <satya164> only issue, the name
[23:04] <snwh> or when you start talking about Moka ;)
[23:04] <satya164> it's the form of elementary icons I'm talking about
[23:04] <satya164> sure snwh
[23:05] <amjjawad> and xfce
[23:05] <amjjawad> I'd suggest not to use that just in order to not confuse our users
[23:05] <satya164> yeah, we can ask them to rename
[23:05] <amjjawad> ha? is that even allowed?
[23:05] <satya164> I guess so. we can try
[23:05] <satya164> at least
[23:06] <amjjawad> or to play it safe, I'd suggest to look for another one?
[23:06] <satya164> ochosi didn't seem to have a y objections
[23:06] <amjjawad> I saw the other day nice icons on the repo for UG
[23:06] <satya164> amjjawad, it's very well supported and has good gnome support
[23:07] <satya164> there is no another one like elementary
[23:07] <amjjawad> satya164, the one that on the repo?
[23:07] <amjjawad> or you are talking about elementary?
[23:07] <satya164> what's in the repo?
[23:07] <satya164> I was talking about elementary xfce
[23:07] <satya164> amjjawad, which icon is in the repo?
[23:08] <amjjawad> satya164, yea, elem xfce should be maintained for sure ..
[23:08] <amjjawad> I don't remember the name, I just typed gnome icons and got some nice but funny colors :D
[23:08] <amjjawad> I was fixing a neighbor's laptop and was fooling around
[23:08] <amjjawad> I don't do that to my machine :D
[23:09] <satya164> you mean shiki-colors ?
[23:10] <amjjawad> satya164, something like gnome-human-icon-theme
[23:10] <satya164> oh
[23:10] <satya164> yeah, elementary is nicer
[23:10] <amjjawad> indeed
[23:10] <satya164> and I would suggest to at least try to rename it. no harm in trying, right?
[23:10] <amjjawad> that what I noticed 'after' installing the icons heheeh
[23:11] <satya164> we just need a good name, which fits with both gnome and xfce
[23:11] <amjjawad> satya164, if you could do that task, I don't mind :P I'm sure you know who is the one that we need to ask
[23:11] <satya164> so no DE specific names
[23:11] <satya164> yeah, I do
[23:11] <satya164> I'll ask
[23:11] <satya164> so, next
[23:11] <amjjawad> no DE specific name = +1
[23:11] <satya164> Numix Circle icon theme
[23:12] <amjjawad> link please
[23:12] <satya164> https://plus.google.com/115833527622591803679/posts/NcmkJkWSNah
[23:14] <amjjawad> very very nice
[23:14] <amjjawad> this will match our logo :D
[23:14] <satya164> :D
[23:14] <satya164> great
[23:14] <amjjawad> HUGE +1
[23:14] <satya164> so, last one, Moka
[23:14] <amjjawad> dazzle me :D
[23:14] <satya164> snwh, come here :D
[23:15] <snwh> no
[23:15] <snwh> :P
[23:15] <satya164> http://mokaproject.com/moka-icon-theme/
[23:15] <amjjawad> snwh, hehe
[23:15] <amjjawad> WHAT are you waiting for? :D
[23:15] <amjjawad> GO GO GO
[23:15] <satya164> O.o
[23:16] <amjjawad> it means YES YES YES :P
[23:16] <satya164> so...
[23:16] <snwh> I think he likes it
[23:16] <satya164> great
[23:16] <amjjawad> satya164, I thought it was me who is sleepy :P
[23:16] <satya164> snwh, care to explain the dependency chain?
[23:16] <amjjawad> it is yet another HUGE +1
[23:16] <amjjawad> now, I just not happy with the first one
[23:16] <snwh> for gnome-shell it's just moka-icon-theme & faba-icon-theme
[23:17] <amjjawad> elem xfce
[23:17] <amjjawad> we might need plan B just in case the name thing won't go well
[23:17] <snwh> silly Unity users would need/want faba-mono-icons
[23:17] <snwh> renaming elementary-xfce?
[23:17] <satya164> amjjawad, well, I don't mind if it doesn't get included
[23:17] <satya164> yeah renaming it
[23:17] <amjjawad> satya164, but that means 2 icons instead of 3
[23:17] <amjjawad> snwh, yes
[23:18] <snwh> mousey-icon-theme
[23:18] <satya164> yeah, but quality is important than quantity
[23:18] <snwh> both is important :P
[23:18] <satya164> I don't find lots of good quality icon themes
[23:18] <satya164> :D
[23:18] <amjjawad> link?
[23:18] <satya164> what link?
[23:19] <amjjawad> mousey-icon-theme
[23:19] <satya164> mousey lol :D
[23:19] <satya164> may be ochosi will like it :D
[23:19] <satya164> lol
[23:19] <satya164> snwh was suggesting new name for elementary-xfce
[23:19] <amjjawad> ohhhh
[23:19] <satya164> :p
[23:19] <amjjawad> I don't know
[23:19] <satya164> you are definitely sleepy
[23:20] <amjjawad> to be very honest, I'm looking for something different
[23:20] <amjjawad> satya164, as if you're not :P heheh
[23:20] <satya164> yeah, I just gave you 3 very different icon themes
[23:20] <satya164> and 2 very different gtk themes
[23:20] <amjjawad> indeed satya164 I liked 2 and not 100% happy with the 3rd
[23:21] <satya164> yes, but that's a classic tango styled icon theme
[23:21] <snwh> regarding quantity Moka has 15710 icons :3
[23:21] <satya164> me4oslav, do you have the count of numix icons?
[23:22] <snwh> there's a lot of symlinks in there
[23:22] <amjjawad> O_o 15710?!
[23:22] <snwh> and I make 8 icons for every 1 app
[23:22] <amjjawad> WOW!
[23:23] <snwh> there's only 750 ish real icons per size. :P
[23:23] <snwh> and that's jsut moka-icon-theme and why the package will be ~15 MB
[23:24] <satya164> Numix Circle has 2682 app icons
[23:24] <satya164> including symlinks
[23:24] <satya164> number will be much bigger if I include action icons, mimes etc
[23:24] <snwh> it's not a contest ;)
[23:24] <satya164> lol :D
[23:24] <satya164> just felt the urge to show off :D
[23:24] <amjjawad> hahah
[23:25] <satya164> okay. great
[23:25] <amjjawad> anything before I go?
[23:25] <satya164> yeah
[23:25] <amjjawad> I just have zero energy
[23:25] <amjjawad> darkxst, any news for meeting bot?
[23:25] <satya164> numix-icon-theme-circle depends on numix-icon-theme and moka-icon-theme depends on faba-icon-theme
[23:26] <darkxst> amjjawad, waiting on Unit
[23:26] <amjjawad> darkxst, ok, thanks :)
[23:26] <satya164> isn't it snwh?
[23:26] <amjjawad> darkxst, did my logic about the release notes accepted by you?
[23:26] <amjjawad> satya164, so, you are saying both must be added, right
[23:26] <snwh> satya164, if it were I'd be adding them all day long
[23:26] <snwh> to have oodles
[23:26] <satya164> amjjawad, yes
[23:27] <amjjawad> that means 4 instead of 2
[23:27] <snwh> strictly speaking, yes
[23:27] <amjjawad> so elementary xfce could be out safely?!
[23:28] <satya164> yeah, but they are essentially one icon theme split into 2 to make maintenance easier, 2 components of one icon theme
[23:28] <amjjawad> links please?
[23:28] <satya164> numix-icon-theme-circle only has app icons
[23:28] <amjjawad> I have the circle one
[23:28] <amjjawad> ok
[23:28] <snwh> likewise for moka
[23:29] <satya164> numix-icon-theme has the system icons like folders, mimes etc
[23:29] <amjjawad> just saw Faba
[23:29] <satya164> amjjawad, http://fav.me/d6yf40n
[23:29] <amjjawad> very nice
[23:29] <amjjawad> ops, that is very Win8 :'(
[23:29] <darkxst> amjjawad, probably, except 14.04 images will remain available for download?
[23:30] <amjjawad> darkxst, okay but why?
[23:30] <satya164> amjjawad, that's the trend now a days :D
[23:30] <amjjawad> darkxst, the user will have then to install lots of packages. I'd say to include 14.04.1 only
[23:30] <amjjawad> satya164, oh my :(
[23:30] <satya164> and win8 doesn't have borders, those are more like googley
[23:30] <amjjawad> You have no idea how much I hate Win8
[23:31] <satya164> not inspired by win8 in any sense
[23:31] <amjjawad> okay, perhaps this will attract Win Users
[23:31] <satya164> they are inspired by google!
[23:31] <amjjawad> Okay, go ahead
[23:31] <satya164> :D
[23:31] <darkxst> amjjawad, we would link to 14.04.1 from our site, but the 14.04 images will still be available from mirrors
[23:31] <amjjawad> darkxst, yeah sure but the pages will only show 14.04.1
[23:31] <amjjawad> we won't remove the old ones ... we just update our links to 14.04.1 which is the latest
[23:32] <amjjawad> satya164, so, 2 themes = done + 2 (4) icons = done .. only xfce one left
[23:32] <satya164> I'll try renaming
[23:32] <satya164> ask for rename
[23:32] <satya164> then we can decide
[23:33] <amjjawad> satya164, sound good to me
[23:33] <satya164> so, we need to get the following things packaged amjjawad
[23:33] <amjjawad> and we need to tell our community as well
[23:33] <amjjawad> or should we wait until the package is done?
[23:33] <satya164> numix-icon-theme, numix-icon-theme-circle, moka-icon-theme, faba-icon-theme, orchis-gtk-theme
[23:34] <satya164> I guess we should wait till packaging. but we should tell in ML
[23:34] <satya164> not in social networks
[23:34] <satya164> not just yet
[23:35] <satya164> so amjjawad who will handle packaging?
[23:35] <amjjawad> satya164, you know it is not me, don't you? :D
[23:35] <satya164> it's nosjka
[23:36] <amjjawad> I guess you guys? or darkxst or Noskcaj
[23:36] <satya164> I cannot spell lol
[23:36] <satya164> noskcaj
[23:36] <amjjawad> I can't too, I cheated :P
[23:36] <satya164> :D
[23:36] <amjjawad> N o then tab Noskcaj
[23:36] <satya164> haha
[23:36] <amjjawad> the reverse of Jackson
[23:36] <satya164> ooh
[23:37] <satya164> good to know
[23:37] <amjjawad> I'm so sad that meeting bot is not here :(
[23:37] <satya164> :(
[23:37] <amjjawad> anyway, hopefully next week it is here
[23:37] <amjjawad> anything else?
[23:37] <satya164> also we need to announce the wall contest in social media https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-gnome-14-10/
[23:38] <satya164> the flickr group is set up
[23:38] <satya164> alfredo sent it to ML also
[23:39] <amjjawad> satya164, that is exactly why you have been given access ;) :D
[23:39] <amjjawad> so I could finally have some rest :P
[23:39] <amjjawad> hehehe
[23:39] <satya164> :D
[23:39] <amjjawad> I kept the channels busy for a year
[23:39] <amjjawad> it is time to share the burden :P hahaha
[23:39] <satya164> so, the last date of submission could be august 21st
[23:39] <amjjawad> can't believe how that year has passed ... WOW
[23:40] <amjjawad> I'm with you for a year
[23:40] <amjjawad> no wait
[23:40] <amjjawad> tomorrow :D
[23:40] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team
[23:40] <amjjawad> WOW
[23:40] <amjjawad> I have to celebrate
[23:40] <satya164> :D
[23:40] <satya164> Send some Pizzas :)
[23:41] <amjjawad> it was the best year really
[23:41] <amjjawad> hahaha
[23:41] <amjjawad> darkxst, is one of the best people I have worked with
[23:41] <amjjawad> and all of you as well
[23:41] <satya164> :)
[23:41] <satya164> thank you
[23:41] <amjjawad> :D
[23:42] <satya164> so, before I go to sleep, we need to decide 2 things
[23:42] <amjjawad> shoot
[23:42] <amjjawad> I'm ZzZzz
[23:43] <satya164> last date of wallpaper contest (suggestion - 15th aug)
[23:43] <satya164> and submission process - public voting for 1 week
[23:43] <amjjawad> before UI freeze in 1-2 weeks
[23:44] <satya164> yeah, long before UI freeze :)
[23:44] <amjjawad> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule
[23:44] <amjjawad> which is yes, 31-Aug
[23:44] <amjjawad> or 30 whatever :D
[23:44] <amjjawad> okay, agreed
[23:44] <amjjawad> next?
[23:45] <satya164> ui freeze is 11th sep
[23:45] <amjjawad> i know :D
[23:45] <amjjawad> just cheated again :D
[23:45] <satya164> :D
[23:45] <satya164> so what about voting process?
[23:45] <amjjawad> that is why bookmarks are helpful :D
[23:45] <amjjawad> what voting?
[23:45] <satya164> public voting is fine?
[23:45] <amjjawad> about what?
[23:45] <satya164> for wallpaper selection
[23:45] <amjjawad> hmmm
[23:46] <amjjawad> what about it?
[23:46] <satya164> we need to choose 10, right
[23:46] <amjjawad> yes AFAIK
[23:46] <amjjawad> yeah 1
[23:46] <amjjawad> 10
[23:46] <amjjawad> last cycle was 10
[23:46] <satya164> okay. great then :D
[23:46] <satya164> so, that's it
[23:46] <satya164> I'll do the announcement for the wallpaper contest tomorrow in social media and blogs
[23:47] <amjjawad> no worries
[23:47] <amjjawad> blogs?
[23:47] <amjjawad> our website?
[23:47] <satya164> worldofgnome, omgubuntu etc
[23:47] <amjjawad> oh ok
[23:47] <satya164> :)
[23:48] <satya164> so that's it.
[23:48] <amjjawad> then I should add that to our website
[23:48] <amjjawad> two quick things to share with you
[23:48] <satya164> yup?
[23:48] <amjjawad> (1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap << any page to be created should be added here
[23:48] <satya164> okay
[23:48] <amjjawad> I'm sure I announced that last cycle :D
[23:48] <satya164> I guess you did ;p
[23:48] <amjjawad> (2) our Twitter account is linked with Failbook (AKA Facebook)
[23:49] <satya164> okay
[23:49] <amjjawad> so, you don't need to worry about it
[23:49] <amjjawad> once you post on failbook, it will tweet
[23:49] <satya164> so anything I post on fb will be tweeted?
[23:49] <amjjawad> but it is not with G+
[23:49] <amjjawad> yep
[23:49] <satya164> so, how about long posts?
[23:49] <amjjawad> anything on fb will tweeted directly
[23:49] <amjjawad> don't worry about that
[23:49] <satya164> ok
[23:49] <amjjawad> https://twitter.com/ubuntu_gnome
[23:50] <amjjawad> that is why I always started my posts with #Ubuntu_GNOME
[23:50] <satya164> ooh
[23:50] <amjjawad> I add them at the start so when it will tweet that, it will be shown ;)
[23:50] <satya164> okay
[23:51] <amjjawad> usually, any post on failbook is copy-paste on G+
[23:51] <satya164> :D
[23:51] <amjjawad> I'm not quiting :P
[23:51] <amjjawad> but it is always great to have more hands to help
[23:51] <satya164> yup
[23:51] <amjjawad> there will be a surprise for all of ya
[23:51] <amjjawad> but not now :D
[23:51] <satya164> waiting for it
[23:51] <amjjawad> most likely with 14.10 release
[23:51] <amjjawad> not sure yet
[23:51] <amjjawad> working on it :D
[23:52] <amjjawad> and No, it is about UG not ToriOS not StartUbuntu
[23:52] <amjjawad> okay, we have to go I guess ZzZz
[23:52] <satya164> also, about the website, we didn't receive any mock-ups yet. We better get started before Neils gets busy in some other work
[23:52] <amjjawad> he sent an email
[23:52] <amjjawad> he said give me 14 days
[23:53] <amjjawad> I think we need to send to the ML
[23:53] <satya164> I did
[23:53] <amjjawad> + publish on the Social media
[23:53] <amjjawad> for some reason, this cycle, we need to send more than once
[23:53] <satya164> yeah, we need to publish on social media
[23:53] <amjjawad> not sure why
[23:53] <satya164> :(
[23:53] <amjjawad> no meeting bot
[23:53] <amjjawad> how am I suppose to remember that now
[23:54] <amjjawad> okay, I hope I won't forget these points
[23:54] <amjjawad> okay, must fade away
[23:54] <satya164> also, I cannot post from the page, can I?
[23:54] <amjjawad> can't resist anymore
[23:54] <satya164> G+ page
[23:54] <amjjawad> I guess
[23:54] <amjjawad> you can
[23:54] <satya164> I don't see it in my accounts
[23:54] <amjjawad> I will double check that
[23:54] <amjjawad> O_o
[23:54] <amjjawad> refresh maybe?
[23:55] <amjjawad> it is not on the account
[23:55] <satya164> I just got a ntification about moderator in the community
[23:55] <amjjawad> you need to click that icon on the top right
[23:55] <satya164> I know
[23:55] <amjjawad> let me check
[23:55] <satya164> ok
[23:55] <amjjawad> coz u didn't accept the invite
[23:56] <amjjawad> it is showing pendning
[23:56] <amjjawad> pending*
[23:56] <satya164> ooh
[23:56] <satya164> :)
[23:56] <satya164> I'll
[23:56] <satya164> thanks
[23:56] <satya164> gn8
[23:57] <amjjawad> I removed you and re-added you
[23:57] <amjjawad> good night ZzZz
[23:57] <amjjawad> cya everyone
[23:57] <satya164> bye