=== prth|away is now known as prth === prth is now known as prth|away [05:41] hola [05:41] 8-) === prth is now known as prth|away === prth|away is now known as prth [15:07] hello === prth is now known as prth|away === prth|away is now known as prth === prth is now known as prth|away [21:08] hullo. Satja invited me here to listen. If I cause havoc it will be his fault :> [21:09] anyone here? [21:09] I will try to be a good doggie and just listen and drink and don't make all hades break loose [21:09] we need to wait amjjwad to come [21:10] if anyone starts talking about Numix ping me, otherwise I will watch ... yeah, I betta not say what [21:11] Or any team leader... [21:12] hey amjjawad ! [21:13] satya164, hey :D [21:13] sorry for being late [21:13] np :D [21:13] are we alone as usual? :D [21:13] I invited me4oslav [21:13] hmmm, who is he/she? [21:14] Georgi, from Numix [21:14] Oh ok [21:14] :) [21:14] also, lots of other things [21:14] oh hi me4oslav :) [21:15] including home based alcoholic and more shocking stuff xD [21:15] so, what are the topics to discuss> [21:15] ? [21:15] satya164, it seems we are alone [21:15] let me start the meeting one moment please [21:16] okies [21:16] #startmeeting Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Team Meeting #4 [21:16] ? [21:16] it didn't work [21:17] O.o [21:17] O_o [21:17] where is meetbot? [21:17] I have no idea [21:17] O_o [21:17] I'm a noob in IRC stuff [21:17] darkxst, Noskcaj are you there? [21:18] I will try to ask for help [21:18] okay [21:19] at least your haven't nicknamed your bot blondie [21:19] may be he got pissed of at me4oslav and went away! [21:19] satya164, that depends what he did say ;) [21:20] shockingly enough I haven't caused all tartarus to break loose yet, but there is time [21:20] but how come it is not there? hmm, and darkxst might be ZzZz now ... I asked Phill but he is busy [21:20] he will help in a moment [21:20] ok [21:20] I';; wait [21:20] I'll* [21:21] ok, let's not waste the time ... have you got my invite to the G+ page and community? [21:21] yes [21:21] Artwork guys should be around ;) [21:21] do you have failbook account? [21:21] failbook!!!! [21:21] yes, this is how I call it [21:21] I've facebook :D [21:21] link please [21:21] it is failbook [21:22] indeed it is [21:22] facebook.com/satya164 [21:25] satya164, done [21:25] thanks :D [21:25] you just need to deal with Artwork stuff [21:25] keep the pages as busy as you can :D [21:25] yes, sure! [21:25] I'll try [21:25] don't forget to use the hashtages, just like what I do [21:25] okies [21:25] specially on G+, hashtages are so important [21:25] okay, no sign of Phill yet [21:26] anything off-topic you wish to discuss or less important ? [21:26] because I really need to save the log [21:26] the logs are on http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome in case that helps [21:28] satya164, not really :( [21:29] we need too use this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology [21:29] ok. but why isn't it working! [21:29] because the meeting bot is gone [21:29] #startmeeting test [21:29] gone where? [21:29] no idea O_o [21:29] it was there the other day [21:30] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings#Previous_Meetings [21:30] you could try /invite or something? [21:30] I'm not the admin on this IRC channel [21:30] I'm not the type of IRC as you may know. I come here only when there is a meeting. [21:31] me too [21:31] :D [21:31] so, what to do now? [21:31] since it is me and you only, we have no choice but to talk about Artwork [21:31] ok [21:31] have you guys seen the blueprints? [21:32] I'm on a vacation right now btw https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation [21:32] having another look at blueprints [21:33] O_o [21:33] why then I have not got any notification :( [21:33] nothing special there [21:33] you didn't? [21:34] so, we are working on everything the blueprint has, website and wallpaper contest [21:35] something is fishy [21:35] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GettingInvolved/WhoWeAre/Vacation [21:35] I was the one who created that page and I do subscribe to any page once I create it [21:35] O.o [21:35] I didn't get any notification ... usually, when anyone do any edit, those who are subscribed to the page, they got notifications [21:35] yeah [21:36] okay, no problem, maybe the server is crazy [21:36] may be! [21:36] Okay, I'm not worried about the website nor the contest to be honest [21:36] I'm worried about the system [21:36] we do need to put some efforts into the system [21:37] being rock solid is not enough ... we need a beautiful system as well [21:37] okay [21:38] I talked to snwh about moka [21:38] I can confirm it is rock solid. 14.10 with Gnome 3.12 is extremely stable for me [21:38] me4oslav, you mean alpha 1 ? [21:38] amjjawad: yeah [21:39] the lastest daily 14.10 [21:39] me4oslav, very interesting [21:39] glad to know :D [21:40] satya164, have you checked the roadmap for UG Artwork? [21:40] I hope you did [21:41] because I mentioned there that we need more beautiful artwork. I'm thinking to change everything :D [21:41] hnging w=everything? [21:41] changing everything? [21:42] yep [21:42] splash [21:42] default wallpaper [21:42] stuff like that [21:42] the dark grey one is just too dark [21:42] ah. I don't see it in the roadmap! [21:43] satya164, then you didn't check well :P [21:43] O.o [21:43] where? [21:43] hahah [21:43] this https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntugnome-brainstorming/+spec/artwork-utopic-unicorn-roadmap [21:43] right? [21:44] 1- Improve the look and feel of Ubuntu GNOME (system). [21:44] yep [21:44] hello hello [21:44] hello snwh [21:44] one thing (not that I've any power here too ... at least not yet :P) - this started as Gnome Vanilla Ubuntu flavour (as much vanilla as possible), if it starts going less vanilla your community will start whinning and there will be backlash [21:44] hello snwh :) [21:44] amjjawad, okay.. so that needs an explanation [21:45] satya164, yes. I'm :D [21:45] I agree me4oslav [21:45] splash and default wallpapers and we need themes and icons [21:46] so I talked with snwh for including moka [21:46] snwh, is the father of moka? [21:46] who is here now [21:46] which means (Moka & Faba) ;) [21:46] I am indeed [21:46] snwh, I think we have had a quick chat on G+ [21:47] IIRC [21:47] not 100% sure to be honest [21:47] satya164, so, what is the outcome? :D [21:47] one more thing - adopring moka/numix/whatever-popular applied (not just installed OTB) may cause folks to brand you "moka/numix/whatever Ubuntu" instead of "Ubuntu Gnome", community can be shallow thinking careful with it [21:47] I couldn't be sure [21:48] me4oslav, from what I gather, it's just having them in the Ubuntu repos as an option [21:48] and installed by default [21:48] not set as default [21:48] snwh: hence I said "applied" :) [21:48] indeed, we do not need to include that but it should be there [21:49] in case this will upset someone [21:49] some of UG users complains a lot [21:49] I do know how to deal with that :D hehe but still [21:49] but to be honest, our system get much less complains [21:49] I've been around for 5 years now with many communities [21:49] we got the less complains [21:49] gnome is much more favourable than Unity ;) [21:50] and bonus - no Compiz :O [21:50] snwh, I guess yes [21:51] and because it is not as buggy as other systems, we got less complains [21:51] and also, because it needs a bit of strong machine, you will get less complains as well. [21:51] lol [21:51] When I was with Lubuntu for two years .. oh my .. that was too much [21:52] the only problem with our system is the latest GNOME [21:52] and till not, people don't accept that fact that we can't do anything abou tit [21:52] about it* [21:53] well, there was a plan for having latest gnome in repos, renamed or something I guess? [21:53] I heard it long time ago [21:53] http://ubuntugnome.org/gnome-3-12/ [21:53] satya164, not AFAIK [21:54] don't remember darkxst has mentioned that [21:54] it was during the 3.8 days I guess [21:54] so 1 year ago [21:54] of course they won't, which I guess is a good from a certain point of view - finally Linux users not caring about the "how stuff is managed under the hood" and just wanting the latest and greatest software. Snob users can be a good thing [21:55] anyways, even Fedora doesn't have latest GNOME [21:55] satya164, tell this to our stubborn users :P [21:55] you need to install 3.12 from copr if you want it on F20 [21:56] I don't care at all whether it is the latest version or not .. as long as it is supported, that is all what I need. [21:56] But I do understand others might have different opinion [21:56] well, different people prefer different things [21:56] I prefer latest, even though it breaks something [21:56] so, let's continue the artwork stuff [21:57] the easy parts first [21:57] satya164, ok [21:57] go ahead ;) [21:57] I talked to ochosi and bluesabre about including Numix GTK theme [21:57] which is already in the repos [21:57] in the shimmer-themes package [21:58] I see [21:58] so, we could use that if they split [21:58] okay, I have a Q [21:58] bluesabre was working on splitting the package [21:58] why it is a must to ask for permission since it is FOSS? [21:58] ask permission to whom? [21:59] I mean why we need to ask the creator of any theme? [21:59] isn't that under GPL or something? [21:59] Moka wasn't GPL, so I needed to talk to snwh to make it GPL [21:59] I see [21:59] that makes sense [22:00] Also, for Numix, it's already in the repos, so it'll be better to use that package [22:00] Numix IIRC was refused to be included in ToriOS [22:00] which is my project [22:00] refused? [22:00] I can't remember [22:00] me4oslav??? [22:00] refused? [22:00] my memory is rusty [22:00] let me check [22:00] I remember someone asking 1-2 days ago [22:00] I wrote a rationale [22:00] why ..png is bad [22:00] not bad bad [22:01] but bad for lazy peple like me [22:01] something about pixels being squared bastards xD [22:01] but I never said no [22:01] Numix [22:01] O.o [22:01] I just checked [22:01] unless I was drunk and I've said no and now I can't remember [22:01] yeah, when did we refuse! it's GPL anyways [22:01] Numix = me4oslav correct? [22:02] numix - me, satja and three more guys [22:03] can't find that email [22:03] me4oslav, ToriOS is my project [22:03] and I'm on the leadership of UG [22:03] and I'm the father of StartUbuntu [22:03] and more [22:03] me4oslav, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad [22:03] I won't even start with my list xD [22:04] It's longer than the Styx river :> [22:04] so, guys, you could just link to your wiki, you know? [22:04] satya164, heheh ok ok [22:04] don't be mad :P [22:04] create one for you [22:04] nope :D [22:04] I wasn't showing off, I don't have to :D [22:04] I have one. [22:05] I think I have the biggest wiki page ever :) [22:05] my wiki is the same as amjjwad, but with me4oslav at the end [22:05] I need testimonials, and more stuff - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SatyajitSahoo [22:05] satya164, Moka is cc-by-sa [22:05] but I don't care to prove that :P [22:05] anyways, I didn't say no to tori [22:05] satya164, sure, will do that [22:05] me4oslav, no worries, maybe it is me who got confused sorry:) [22:06] thanks :) [22:06] so, no one refused to include numix [22:06] there must have been a misunderstanding [22:06] I didn't [22:06] yeah, just forget it :D [22:07] so, what else do we have for today?! [22:07] so, I'll continue [22:07] satya164, ok :) [22:07] bluesabre (Sean Davis) has applied for becoming an official packager [22:08] for UG? [22:08] he has splitted the shimmer-themes package into numix-gtk-theme greybird-gtk-theme etc. [22:08] no, for xubuntu [22:08] but he will be packaging shimmer-themes [22:08] which has numix-gtk-theme [22:08] which we can have [22:09] shimmer for the leader of Xubuntu, correct? [22:09] shimmer project, yes [22:09] I see [22:09] but we can't use that by default [22:09] meaning, it will not be included by default [22:09] (I'm a also part of that, if you don't know) [22:09] satya164, I did not :D [22:09] lol [22:10] I have enough projects that keep me SO busy to the point I can't sleep nor shave :P [22:10] be careful, I'm a zombie now :D [22:10] so, what we can't use by default? [22:10] I'm asking [22:10] of course we can [22:10] if we include at least 3-4 themes, that would be nice [22:10] instead of having none :( [22:11] yeah, so numix gtk theme is settled, we won't have to worry much [22:11] as for icon themes [22:11] not shaving is most excellent <3 [22:11] there is a good one in the shimmer project [22:11] forked off from elementary icon themes [22:11] me4oslav, it scares me sometimes :D [22:11] it has good gnome support also [22:11] so remind me or correct me [22:11] I'm so dizzy today [22:12] remind what? [22:12] amjjawad: think of rasputin if it does :> [22:12] we have nothing .. no icons no themes by default [22:12] just one, correct? [22:12] jyst one? [22:12] in the current one? [22:12] me4oslav, or maybe richard stallman :D [22:12] satya164, we have one [22:12] only adwaita [22:13] yep [22:13] am I right? [22:13] satya164, if we can have more beside that one, that would be great :D [22:13] yeah, currently there is only adwaita (which is getting merged to gtk3 in 3.14, and we won't even have a theme then!) [22:13] but that's another story [22:13] amjjawad: oh dear. Rasputin is somewhat less weird than RMS :O [22:14] who is rasputin? [22:14] he is someone :D just googled him [22:14] satya164, O_o [22:14] so, amjjawad coming to icon theme [22:14] hehehe, won't have a theme? :D [22:14] satya164, ok ? [22:14] yeah, adwaita will be a part of gtk [22:14] sometimes I forgot you haven't grown in eastern block sovier country ;d [22:15] currently the default gtk one is raleigh [22:15] the blocky windows 98y one [22:15] darkxst, has said something about including icons and themes [22:15] he was worried about something but I forgot what was it [22:15] he replied to me on the mailing list [22:16] checking. a sec [22:16] ok [22:16] yeah [22:16] he was worried about maintenance [22:17] and said to limit the number of themes [22:17] to how many? [22:17] 2-3 [22:17] I personally do think we should limit the number of included themes, maybe 2 or 3 at absolute most, people will complain if they break when they [22:17] upgrade to the release (or add gnome3 ppa's). This essentially means the Artwork team is going to have to look after these themes, whether that [22:17] is pulling in new upstream versions or fixing bugs. This is the main reason why we have really avoided doing this, up to this date. [22:17] tim's words [22:18] satya164, what do you think? [22:18] can we handle that? [22:18] he has the right to be worried because he is the main dev and he got less hands to help that what we suppose to have [22:18] Numix GTK theme is maintained by me, and it'll be well maintained as far as I planned [22:18] I'm thinking, why not I ask on GNOME mailing list and get some help? [22:18] Moka is maintained by snwh [22:19] amjjawad, help about what? [22:19] and I'm sure snwh will do his best to keep it maintained as well :) [22:19] satya164, devs [22:19] maintaining artwork? [22:20] the system :D [22:20] fixing bugs, etc etc [22:20] I do have some plans for Tim :P that he does not know about yet [22:20] lol [22:20] I can't sit still :D [22:20] if there is no new ideas/plans, I feel so bad hehe [22:20] okay, so I guess let's first fix the list of themes to include, so we can get them packaged [22:21] okay [22:21] I'm okay with 3 [22:21] nice [22:21] does that include the default one? or without it? [22:21] for breakage, we have sometime to test than on A2 ... let me check when it is due [22:22] well, about GTK themes, only 2 we can [22:22] morning all [22:22] and icon themes, may be 3 [22:22] morning darkxst ! [22:22] 31-July https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule [22:22] so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ? [22:22] darkxst, hey :D [22:23] since you're here, darkxst .. where is meeting bot? :( [22:23] seen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first [22:24] amjjawad, I don't know! [22:24] O_o [22:24] OMG, then who knows?! [22:24] 1 GTK theme and 1 icon theme are already in the archives [22:24] I have asked Phill to help [22:24] and he asked Unit193 [22:25] darkxst, who is the admin of this channel?! [22:25] who has access to add/remove stuff? [22:25] I do, but no idea how to get meetingbot back [22:25] O.o [22:25] O_o [22:26] okay, we need extra help [22:26] Phill is always on IRC so maybe it is good idea to add him as an admin? [22:26] he takes care of my ToriOS channel [22:26] sorry folks I was preoccupied [22:26] what's going on? [22:27] amjjawad, sure, if he wants to do it [22:28] okay, I'm talking to him now :D [22:28] satya164, and they will need testing each cycle [22:28] snwh, taling about how good moka can be maintained [22:28] and yeah, testing [22:28] that we need to do [22:28] satya164, in what way? [22:28] if people want beautiful system, they need to do some testing :D [22:29] maintained means... well maintained ??? [22:29] snwh, in the way that is is always supported :) [22:29] amjjawad, it's that way now, haha [22:30] both GTK and icons? [22:30] I know the icons are well maintained [22:30] no clue about GTK [22:30] Orchis GTK is well maintained [22:30] snwh, we're happy to know that but we need to be sure before we go ahead [22:30] amjjawad, I'm always working on it [22:30] snwh, then I guess that is all what we need to know :D right satya164 [22:31] yeah, I guess so :D [22:31] darkxst, what do you think? :D [22:31] I guess any future changes must be completed before the UI freeze [22:31] snwh, as always, indeed it must :) [22:32] no uefis? [22:32] as long as artwork team maintains future breakage that will likely happen each cycle [22:32] snwh, yeah, but also remeber that Ubuntu GNOME is always one release behind GNOME [22:33] I can fix bugs, yeah [22:33] satya164, except for -staging which is usually tracking current GNOME [22:33] satya164, true [22:33] darkxst, now a days, very little breakage occurs in themes [22:34] also, I always try to have the latest GNOME [22:34] so I can test much before [22:34] satya164, ok [22:34] likewise, but mainly just the latest GTK [22:35] so snwh , what do you says? [22:35] satya164, regarding? [22:35] it'll be done before UI freeze, right? [22:35] update to next GTK version? [22:36] satya164, oh that's already done [22:36] I see some good progress here :) [22:36] not only for current cycle, next cycles also [22:36] satya164, as long as the theme is supported, yes :) [22:36] snwh ? [22:36] darkxst, how many themes you're okay with? [22:37] satya164, what would be in 14.10? yes [22:38] no no, I'm asking if the updates can be done in time in future releases [22:38] +1 [22:39] probably, I'd want the theme I use myself to be up-to-date [22:39] haha [22:39] amjjawad, max 2 for the time being [22:39] nice [22:39] good :D [22:39] okay, so GTK themes settled, Orchis and Numix , right ? [22:39] darkxst, 2 + the default? so total 3? [22:39] amjjawad, yes [22:39] we need to get Orchis to the archives [22:40] btw, Moka icon theme requires the Faba icon theme [22:40] snwh, let me come to icon themes [22:40] I wasn't sure if you all had talked about it earlier [22:40] darkxst, great :D so 3 options instead of one :D [22:40] :D [22:41] okay, so amjjawad , darkxst Orchis and Numix , right ? [22:41] whatever beautiful + maintained [22:41] (omg, they rhyme ! ) [22:41] can I see them? links please? [22:41] 1 sec [22:41] don't laugh, I don't change anything :D [22:41] I have no time to change a theme :D [22:42] http://fav.me/d5ygul6 [22:42] http://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/ [22:42] darkxst, Phill agreed :D [22:42] http://mokaproject.com/orchis-gtk-theme/ [22:42] I should freshen the screenshots. [22:43] satya164, ok [22:43] great! [22:43] wait [22:43] Moka has no icons, right? [22:43] only a Theme? [22:43] amjjawad, ok good, I have no idea if I can add him as admin though [22:44] we haven't gotten to icons yet [22:44] darkxst, ops [22:44] satya164, okay [22:44] :) [22:44] then I don't mind if you all agree [22:45] so, there is a good and well maintained icon theme from the shimmer project [22:45] forked from elementary icons [22:45] and has good gnome support [22:45] satya164, what is the name of the current default theme? I'm so bad in names [22:45] Adwaita [22:45] okay thanks :D [22:45] :D [22:46] darkxst, satya164 said Adwaita is not going to be supported? [22:46] did I get that right? [22:46] amjjawad, it's part of GNOME [22:46] GNOME devs maintain it [22:46] and soon going to be part of GTK [22:47] okay, I guess I'm out of order today :P [22:47] we don't have to worry about maintaining yet, apart from providing small ubuntu specific patches, if necessary [22:47] :D [22:47] oh right before I forget .. darkxst we just need to update the release notes for 14.04.1 right? we don't need new one, do we? [22:49] also amjjawad http://danrabbit.deviantart.com/art/elementary-Icons-65437279 [22:50] hmm, satya164 not sure about that one [22:51] amjjawad, I am not sure if we update or create new release notes [22:51] amjjawad why? [22:51] darkxst, :D so whom should I ask? [22:51] satya164, I mean, is there better? :D [22:52] darkxst, I have thought about it ... since 14.04.1 is the latest, it is pointless to keep 14.04 [22:52] amjjawad, ask the release team [22:52] I mean, the download page will show .1 not 14.04 after all [22:52] it's one of the most popular icon themes to date [22:53] satya164, the small blue icons aren't very nice [22:53] but that's me :D [22:53] amjjawad, lol [22:53] it doesn't have small blue icons! [22:53] satya164, the big ones are fine [22:53] the link you sent? [22:54] amjjawad, it only demonstrates the symbolic icons [22:54] symbolic icons can have any color [22:54] generally they are grey [22:54] Ok [22:54] but it depends on the gtk theme [22:54] I don't mind then ;) [22:54] we need 2 themes + 2 icons, correct [22:55] but, we won't be able to include them, as they have become too elementaryOS specific now [22:55] we can include a fork, however [22:55] maintained by shimmer project. it's already in the repos [22:56] amjjawad, 3 icon themes I would suggest [22:56] amjjawad, https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce [22:59] /msg nickserv *!*@freenode/staff/* +Aiotv [22:59] ask for darkxst opinion :D [23:00] yeah, didn't he say fine ? [23:00] when he joined the channel I asked! [23:01] I thought he meant the themes not the icons [23:01] unless he was talking about the whole thing :D [23:01] I asked him 2 gtk themes + 3 icon themes [23:02] icon themes are less problematic, 3 is fine [23:02] nice :D [23:02] then I'd +1 [23:02] but we are talking about the 'defaults', correct? darkxst ? [23:02] " so, darkxst , what about 2 GTK themes and 2-3 icon themes ?" [23:02] so by default, the users will have 2+3 [23:02] "seen fine, they obviously need to be (or get) into archives first" [23:03] +1 [23:03] so, the link I gave you [23:03] amjjawad, 2 gtk and 3 icons, in addition to the defaults [23:03] darkxst, that is great news :D [23:03] ping me if you need me [23:03] indeed :D [23:03] yup snwh [23:03] snwh, thanks a lot :) [23:04] so, amjjawad https://github.com/shimmerproject/elementary-xfce [23:04] satya164, what about it? [23:04] only issue, the name [23:04] or when you start talking about Moka ;) [23:04] it's the form of elementary icons I'm talking about [23:04] sure snwh [23:05] and xfce [23:05] I'd suggest not to use that just in order to not confuse our users [23:05] yeah, we can ask them to rename [23:05] ha? is that even allowed? [23:05] I guess so. we can try [23:05] at least [23:06] or to play it safe, I'd suggest to look for another one? [23:06] ochosi didn't seem to have a y objections [23:06] I saw the other day nice icons on the repo for UG [23:06] amjjawad, it's very well supported and has good gnome support [23:07] there is no another one like elementary [23:07] satya164, the one that on the repo? [23:07] or you are talking about elementary? [23:07] what's in the repo? [23:07] I was talking about elementary xfce [23:07] amjjawad, which icon is in the repo? [23:08] satya164, yea, elem xfce should be maintained for sure .. [23:08] I don't remember the name, I just typed gnome icons and got some nice but funny colors :D [23:08] I was fixing a neighbor's laptop and was fooling around [23:08] I don't do that to my machine :D [23:09] you mean shiki-colors ? [23:10] satya164, something like gnome-human-icon-theme [23:10] oh [23:10] yeah, elementary is nicer [23:10] indeed [23:10] and I would suggest to at least try to rename it. no harm in trying, right? [23:10] that what I noticed 'after' installing the icons heheeh [23:11] we just need a good name, which fits with both gnome and xfce [23:11] satya164, if you could do that task, I don't mind :P I'm sure you know who is the one that we need to ask [23:11] so no DE specific names [23:11] yeah, I do [23:11] I'll ask [23:11] so, next [23:11] no DE specific name = +1 [23:11] Numix Circle icon theme [23:12] link please [23:12] https://plus.google.com/115833527622591803679/posts/NcmkJkWSNah [23:14] very very nice [23:14] this will match our logo :D [23:14] :D [23:14] great [23:14] HUGE +1 [23:14] so, last one, Moka [23:14] dazzle me :D [23:14] snwh, come here :D [23:15] no [23:15] :P [23:15] http://mokaproject.com/moka-icon-theme/ [23:15] snwh, hehe [23:15] WHAT are you waiting for? :D [23:15] GO GO GO [23:15] O.o [23:16] it means YES YES YES :P [23:16] so... [23:16] I think he likes it [23:16] great [23:16] satya164, I thought it was me who is sleepy :P [23:16] snwh, care to explain the dependency chain? [23:16] it is yet another HUGE +1 [23:16] now, I just not happy with the first one [23:16] for gnome-shell it's just moka-icon-theme & faba-icon-theme [23:17] elem xfce [23:17] we might need plan B just in case the name thing won't go well [23:17] silly Unity users would need/want faba-mono-icons [23:17] renaming elementary-xfce? [23:17] amjjawad, well, I don't mind if it doesn't get included [23:17] yeah renaming it [23:17] satya164, but that means 2 icons instead of 3 [23:17] snwh, yes [23:18] mousey-icon-theme [23:18] yeah, but quality is important than quantity [23:18] both is important :P [23:18] I don't find lots of good quality icon themes [23:18] :D [23:18] link? [23:18] what link? [23:19] mousey-icon-theme [23:19] mousey lol :D [23:19] may be ochosi will like it :D [23:19] lol [23:19] snwh was suggesting new name for elementary-xfce [23:19] ohhhh [23:19] :p [23:19] I don't know [23:19] you are definitely sleepy [23:20] to be very honest, I'm looking for something different [23:20] satya164, as if you're not :P heheh [23:20] yeah, I just gave you 3 very different icon themes [23:20] and 2 very different gtk themes [23:20] indeed satya164 I liked 2 and not 100% happy with the 3rd [23:21] yes, but that's a classic tango styled icon theme [23:21] regarding quantity Moka has 15710 icons :3 [23:21] me4oslav, do you have the count of numix icons? [23:22] there's a lot of symlinks in there [23:22] O_o 15710?! [23:22] and I make 8 icons for every 1 app [23:22] WOW! [23:23] there's only 750 ish real icons per size. :P [23:23] and that's jsut moka-icon-theme and why the package will be ~15 MB [23:24] Numix Circle has 2682 app icons [23:24] including symlinks [23:24] number will be much bigger if I include action icons, mimes etc [23:24] it's not a contest ;) [23:24] lol :D [23:24] just felt the urge to show off :D [23:24] hahah [23:25] okay. great [23:25] anything before I go? [23:25] yeah [23:25] I just have zero energy [23:25] darkxst, any news for meeting bot? [23:25] numix-icon-theme-circle depends on numix-icon-theme and moka-icon-theme depends on faba-icon-theme [23:26] amjjawad, waiting on Unit [23:26] darkxst, ok, thanks :) [23:26] isn't it snwh? [23:26] darkxst, did my logic about the release notes accepted by you? [23:26] satya164, so, you are saying both must be added, right [23:26] satya164, if it were I'd be adding them all day long [23:26] to have oodles [23:26] amjjawad, yes [23:27] that means 4 instead of 2 [23:27] strictly speaking, yes [23:27] so elementary xfce could be out safely?! [23:28] yeah, but they are essentially one icon theme split into 2 to make maintenance easier, 2 components of one icon theme [23:28] links please? [23:28] numix-icon-theme-circle only has app icons [23:28] I have the circle one [23:28] ok [23:28] likewise for moka [23:29] numix-icon-theme has the system icons like folders, mimes etc [23:29] just saw Faba [23:29] amjjawad, http://fav.me/d6yf40n [23:29] very nice [23:29] ops, that is very Win8 :'( [23:29] amjjawad, probably, except 14.04 images will remain available for download? [23:30] darkxst, okay but why? [23:30] amjjawad, that's the trend now a days :D [23:30] darkxst, the user will have then to install lots of packages. I'd say to include 14.04.1 only [23:30] satya164, oh my :( [23:30] and win8 doesn't have borders, those are more like googley [23:30] You have no idea how much I hate Win8 [23:31] not inspired by win8 in any sense [23:31] okay, perhaps this will attract Win Users [23:31] they are inspired by google! [23:31] Okay, go ahead [23:31] :D [23:31] amjjawad, we would link to 14.04.1 from our site, but the 14.04 images will still be available from mirrors [23:31] darkxst, yeah sure but the pages will only show 14.04.1 [23:31] we won't remove the old ones ... we just update our links to 14.04.1 which is the latest [23:32] satya164, so, 2 themes = done + 2 (4) icons = done .. only xfce one left [23:32] I'll try renaming [23:32] ask for rename [23:32] then we can decide [23:33] satya164, sound good to me [23:33] so, we need to get the following things packaged amjjawad [23:33] and we need to tell our community as well [23:33] or should we wait until the package is done? [23:33] numix-icon-theme, numix-icon-theme-circle, moka-icon-theme, faba-icon-theme, orchis-gtk-theme [23:34] I guess we should wait till packaging. but we should tell in ML [23:34] not in social networks [23:34] not just yet [23:35] so amjjawad who will handle packaging? [23:35] satya164, you know it is not me, don't you? :D [23:35] it's nosjka [23:36] I guess you guys? or darkxst or Noskcaj [23:36] I cannot spell lol [23:36] noskcaj [23:36] I can't too, I cheated :P [23:36] :D [23:36] N o then tab Noskcaj [23:36] haha [23:36] the reverse of Jackson [23:36] ooh [23:37] good to know [23:37] I'm so sad that meeting bot is not here :( [23:37] :( [23:37] anyway, hopefully next week it is here [23:37] anything else? [23:37] also we need to announce the wall contest in social media https://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-gnome-14-10/ [23:38] the flickr group is set up [23:38] alfredo sent it to ML also [23:39] satya164, that is exactly why you have been given access ;) :D [23:39] so I could finally have some rest :P [23:39] hehehe [23:39] :D [23:39] I kept the channels busy for a year [23:39] it is time to share the burden :P hahaha [23:39] so, the last date of submission could be august 21st [23:39] can't believe how that year has passed ... WOW [23:40] I'm with you for a year [23:40] no wait [23:40] tomorrow :D [23:40] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/UbuntuGNOME-Team [23:40] WOW [23:40] I have to celebrate [23:40] :D [23:40] Send some Pizzas :) [23:41] it was the best year really [23:41] hahaha [23:41] darkxst, is one of the best people I have worked with [23:41] and all of you as well [23:41] :) [23:41] thank you [23:41] :D [23:42] so, before I go to sleep, we need to decide 2 things [23:42] shoot [23:42] I'm ZzZzz [23:43] last date of wallpaper contest (suggestion - 15th aug) [23:43] and submission process - public voting for 1 week [23:43] before UI freeze in 1-2 weeks [23:44] yeah, long before UI freeze :) [23:44] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/ReleaseSchedule [23:44] which is yes, 31-Aug [23:44] or 30 whatever :D [23:44] okay, agreed [23:44] next? [23:45] ui freeze is 11th sep [23:45] i know :D [23:45] just cheated again :D [23:45] :D [23:45] so what about voting process? [23:45] that is why bookmarks are helpful :D [23:45] what voting? [23:45] public voting is fine? [23:45] about what? [23:45] for wallpaper selection [23:45] hmmm [23:46] what about it? [23:46] we need to choose 10, right [23:46] yes AFAIK [23:46] yeah 1 [23:46] 10 [23:46] last cycle was 10 [23:46] okay. great then :D [23:46] so, that's it [23:46] I'll do the announcement for the wallpaper contest tomorrow in social media and blogs [23:47] no worries [23:47] blogs? [23:47] our website? [23:47] worldofgnome, omgubuntu etc [23:47] oh ok [23:47] :) [23:48] so that's it. [23:48] then I should add that to our website [23:48] two quick things to share with you [23:48] yup? [23:48] (1) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/WikiMap << any page to be created should be added here [23:48] okay [23:48] I'm sure I announced that last cycle :D [23:48] I guess you did ;p [23:48] (2) our Twitter account is linked with Failbook (AKA Facebook) [23:49] okay [23:49] so, you don't need to worry about it [23:49] once you post on failbook, it will tweet [23:49] so anything I post on fb will be tweeted? [23:49] but it is not with G+ [23:49] yep [23:49] so, how about long posts? [23:49] anything on fb will tweeted directly [23:49] don't worry about that [23:49] ok [23:49] https://twitter.com/ubuntu_gnome [23:50] that is why I always started my posts with #Ubuntu_GNOME [23:50] ooh [23:50] I add them at the start so when it will tweet that, it will be shown ;) [23:50] okay [23:51] usually, any post on failbook is copy-paste on G+ [23:51] :D [23:51] I'm not quiting :P [23:51] but it is always great to have more hands to help [23:51] yup [23:51] there will be a surprise for all of ya [23:51] but not now :D [23:51] waiting for it [23:51] most likely with 14.10 release [23:51] not sure yet [23:51] working on it :D [23:52] and No, it is about UG not ToriOS not StartUbuntu [23:52] okay, we have to go I guess ZzZz [23:52] also, about the website, we didn't receive any mock-ups yet. We better get started before Neils gets busy in some other work [23:52] he sent an email [23:52] he said give me 14 days [23:53] I think we need to send to the ML [23:53] I did [23:53] + publish on the Social media [23:53] for some reason, this cycle, we need to send more than once [23:53] yeah, we need to publish on social media [23:53] not sure why [23:53] :( [23:53] no meeting bot [23:53] how am I suppose to remember that now [23:54] okay, I hope I won't forget these points [23:54] okay, must fade away [23:54] also, I cannot post from the page, can I? [23:54] can't resist anymore [23:54] G+ page [23:54] I guess [23:54] you can [23:54] I don't see it in my accounts [23:54] I will double check that [23:54] O_o [23:54] refresh maybe? [23:55] it is not on the account [23:55] I just got a ntification about moderator in the community [23:55] you need to click that icon on the top right [23:55] I know [23:55] let me check [23:55] ok [23:55] coz u didn't accept the invite [23:56] it is showing pendning [23:56] pending* [23:56] ooh [23:56] :) [23:56] I'll [23:56] thanks [23:56] gn8 [23:57] I removed you and re-added you [23:57] good night ZzZz [23:57] cya everyone [23:57] bye