[00:16] <apachelogger> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7827639/
[00:16] <apachelogger> :O
[01:27] <apachelogger> kubuntu-notification-helper code can give you headaches
[01:27] <apachelogger> really bad ones too
[01:27] <apachelogger> :'(
[02:29] <apachelogger> sooo
[02:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: right now ubuntu-upgrade-thingy actually is a matter of try: import pyqt5 except: import pyqt4 (on the upgarde side of things)
[02:30] <apachelogger> on the download side it's removing a bit of kde and trying to use qt5
[02:31] <apachelogger> question is, should we go the if qtversion == 5 route or should we simply split the code into two files 
[02:32] <apachelogger> I am thinking that splitting even with the tiny delta is the better thing, otherwise someone might fiddle with it and forget to add a version check and then the qt4 version blows up
[02:34] <apachelogger> OTOH should there be a feature addition necessary in the future we'd have to manually code copy stuff around (assuming code is identical for both qts anyway)
[02:34] <apachelogger> it's all very dodgy I say
[02:43]  * apachelogger has ports of everything except ubiquity and muon \o/
[06:58] <ovidiu-florin> hello world :D
[07:02] <valorie> hi ovidiu-florin
[07:02] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[07:02] <valorie> how many hours until your meeting?
[07:02] <ovidiu-florin> a few...
[07:02]  * valorie is still somewhat clueless
[07:02] <valorie> it's midnight here, so a good time for me to figure it out
[07:02] <ovidiu-florin> not sure how many, but it's at 9PM UTC+3
[07:03] <valorie> right, but that isn't information easily used
[07:04] <valorie> oh well, my calculations say 11 hours, so I'll hope that's correct
[07:07] <soee> hiho :)
[07:16] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: yes, 11 hours
[07:16] <ovidiu-florin> minus 17 minutes :D
[07:16] <valorie> \o/
[07:16] <valorie> sure
[07:17] <ovidiu-florin> the meeting takes place in #ubuntu-meeting, right?
[07:18] <valorie> if there is nothing scheduled already
[07:18] <valorie> usually just here
[07:18]  * valorie 's alarm is set
[07:24] <lordievader> valorie: Date can calculate timezones ;)
[07:24] <lordievader> valorie: For example: TZ=America/New_York date
[07:26] <valorie> I've figured out how to sort of know UTC
[07:27] <valorie> but on either side of it, I never know when to add or subtract
[07:27] <valorie> sometimes I get timeanddate.com to give me what I want - so often I just leave in frustration
[08:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: great stuff
[09:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: if there's only a few if 4 then x if 5 then y do that but more than a handful and it's better to do separate files I guess
[10:29] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[10:32] <Riddell> santa_: todo merges gracias ↑
[11:03] <BluesKaj> 'Morning all
[11:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: what do we do with kdesudo btw?
[11:18] <apachelogger> it's #unmaintained unless someone wants to step up
[11:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: would you fancy maintaining kdesudo?
[11:19] <shadeslayer> idk
[11:19] <shadeslayer> how much work is it
[11:20] <apachelogger> not much, it doesn't tend to break a lot, there are some minor issues with it though
[11:20] <apachelogger> I think the biggest effort would be to push it into kde :P
[11:21] <apachelogger> I'll even port it to frameworks if you want, just don't wanna have to look after it beyond that ;)
[11:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'd like it to go into plasma
[11:22] <Riddell> I'm happy to look into doing that
[11:22] <apachelogger> politics
[11:22] <apachelogger> if it goes into plasma it still needs a maintainer
[11:23] <apachelogger> that is: it needs a maintainer, no matter what. :P
[11:23] <Riddell> yeah I can look at whether I'm up to that
[11:25]  * Riddell nudges it up his todo list
[11:26] <apachelogger> groovy, unless anyone wants to do the porting to qt5 I'll look into that later today then
[11:26] <Riddell> apachelogger: might be an idea if I did that, then I can answer the question of whether or not I'm up to be maintainer upstream
[11:27] <Riddell> but then maybe I don't want to give myself the extra work when you're offering
[11:27] <apachelogger> your call :P
[11:27] <apachelogger> it's all the same to me
[11:33] <Riddell> say should we have old systray icons like skype showing in plasma 5? I thought we had the required patch for that
[11:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: what's the best way to start a port? I'm wanting a template but kapptemplate has none for kf5
[12:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: look at one of the ports I did, try to copy the cmakelists somewhat
[12:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: once cmake passes simply make -> fix -> make -> fix xD
[12:05] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: next has no meta packag eyet?
[12:08] <apachelogger> something is astray in the next deps
[12:08] <apachelogger> I am staging from an ubuntu-minimal (plus some other bits) and it pulls in mesa-dev and mir-dev
[12:19] <apachelogger> ah yes
[12:19] <apachelogger> workpace depends qtquick1-5-dev and qttools5-dev-tools
[12:20] <apachelogger> that seems correct enough -.-
[12:26] <soee> am i right - the plasma 5 releases are 3 months cycles ?
[12:57] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1265192/comments/63
[12:58] <ScottK> Comment is nice though.
[13:21] <Sick_Rimmit> !testers
[13:22] <Quintasan> What is of happenings
[13:22] <BluesKaj> testing what ?
[13:22]  * Sick_Rimmit Reading and learning, experimenting and playing is all
[13:23]  * Quintasan still doesn't get it
[13:23] <Quintasan> back to work I guess
[13:24] <soee> sup ?
[13:25] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: usually considered impolite to run that without having something to test :)
[13:26] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: lots of 4.14 beta if you want to test your new packaging skills
[13:26] <Riddell> ScottK: :)
[13:27] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah apologie for invoking testers with nothing to test, I was just reading from the Kubuntu testing docs, and thought Ah Ha let try that
[13:27] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you can also get Tm_T to add you if you want
[13:28] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes I think that would be useful, If I understanf it, adding me would then get me notifiied of testing that needs doing, so yes please do add me
[13:29] <Sick_Rimmit> I've been running installs of Utopic onto a V_Box, nothing to report at this point
[13:30] <Sick_Rimmit> I am green with the packaging, managed to get Ed packaged succesfully, blew out on wget...
[13:31] <Sick_Rimmit> It's all good when it works, but when it breaks I'm lost..
[13:32] <Sick_Rimmit> Am planning to have a crack at packagin Rekonq, and see if I can resolve a working KDE app packaging tool chain
[13:33] <Sick_Rimmit> Am just trying to Triage the Kpatience bug, under Xfce desktop, see if it still applies and is repeatable
[13:35] <Riddell> Tm_T: please add Sick_Rimmit or whatever his healthy nick is to !testers
[13:35] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: rekonq is packaged, is there a new version?
[13:35] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: if you want a challenge, digikam has a new version
[13:36] <Sick_Rimmit> Tm_T: Sick_Rimmit is my usual Nick, and logged as me on launchpad
[13:37] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Well I've really limited experience, with packaging, I've worked through some tutorials from YouTube, my purpose of packagin Rekonq, was just trying it out, see if I could do it
[13:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I failed on wget, because I didn't no how to go about solving its Make file issues
[13:38] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: anyway, it's all woolly and foggy, but I'm just trying to build confidence and skill
[13:39] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: fair enough, don't be afraid to ask here
[13:39] <Riddell> wget will use autoconf which is a scary build system, kde has sensibly moved to cmake
[13:39] <Riddell> which is only a little frightening
[13:39] <Sick_Rimmit> My EU Political work ended last month, I have a new roll starting in September, which is less time pressured, so I wanted to get back on the Kubuntu bike so to speak and help out where I can
[13:40] <Riddell> :)
[15:53] <Sick_Rimmit> OK I'll have a stab a packaging DigiKam 4.1 from  http://download.kde.org/stable/digikam/digikam-4.1.0.tar.bz2
[16:04] <Riddell> yay :)
[16:04] <Riddell> shout if you need help
[16:05] <ovidiu-florin> :D
[16:08] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I need help
[16:08] <ovidiu-florin> I'm impatient  :P
[16:08] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ooh?
[16:14] <santa_> Riddell: gracias a ti :)
[16:16] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: You have been running installs of Utopic onto a V_Box? I am using VMware Player, and I cannot get my image to go full-screen, nor open-vm-tools (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1338993).. Are you using Virtual Box? With Guest Additions?
[16:16] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: Will the meeting take place here?
[16:17] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: here or #ubuntu-meeting
[16:17] <Riddell> let's use #ubuntu-meeting to be more visible to the ubuntu world
[16:17] <ovidiu-florin> I'm in
[16:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: now I've updated kapptemplate (reviews welcome https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119388/) I can crack on with kdesudo, hope to do that tomorrow
[16:24] <Riddell> apt-get source amor
[16:24] <Riddell> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
[16:24] <Riddell> why is apt suddently so fussy?!
[16:27] <Riddell> yofel: why the funky version number on pkg-kde-tools? 0.15.14ubuntu2+lintian1
[16:28] <yofel> because that's the archive package + the lintian dep
[16:28] <Riddell> yofel: and why's that change not in the archive?
[16:29] <yofel> because that seems to cause lintian to be pulled in on qt env bootstraps which is rather heavy which made infinity want to strangle me
[16:29] <yofel> something like that
[16:32] <Riddell> it's sgclark!
[16:33] <sgclark> Riddell: hello!
[16:33] <Riddell> yofel: hmm fooey
[16:33] <Riddell> ok uploading pkg-kde-tools-0.15.14ubuntu2+lintian1 to ninjas
[16:39] <shadeslayer> sgclark: ping
[16:39] <sgclark> shadeslayer: pong
[16:40] <shadeslayer> sgclark: why is map_kde_icons.pl installed in kde-style-qtcurve4?
[16:40] <shadeslayer> because I see it being installed even if I don't build the Qt4 part of Qtcurve
[16:41] <shadeslayer> sgclark: install manifest : http://paste.ubuntu.com/7831182/
[16:41] <Riddell> it might well be a mistake, that packaging hasn't been reviewed
[16:42] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I am sorry but I really don't understand the context here.
[16:43] <shadeslayer> sgclark: well, bzr says that you packaged qtcurve, and kde-style-qtcurve4 is for KDE4 apparently
[16:43] <shadeslayer> but that perl script is also installed when building the Qt5 parts of Qtcurve too
[16:43] <shadeslayer> so that means that the perl script is not KDE4 only
[16:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so fix it :)
[16:48] <yofel> btw. is sddm from next supposed to work? I did nothing when I tried it
[16:48] <yofel> *it did
[16:49] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: did you also install a theme
[16:50] <allee> yofel: same here (utopic).  But check that at least sddm-theme-maui is installed
[16:50] <shadeslayer> ^^
[16:50] <shadeslayer> I fixed it in the packaging this afternoon
[16:50] <yofel> most likely not, checking
[16:50] <allee> shadeslayer: ah, you broke upgrade ;-)
[16:50] <yofel> yep, I did not
[16:51] <shadeslayer> allee: I ... did?
[16:51] <yofel> it would've been nice if it had told me that...
[16:51] <shadeslayer> yofel: it should
[16:51] <shadeslayer> +now
[16:51] <shadeslayer> sddm now deps on the maui theme | any other theme
[16:51] <shadeslayer> also, sddm needs to have better theme handling :p
[16:51] <yofel> well, I meant that '/etc/init.d/sddm start' -> fail without error is not *that* nice
[16:51] <allee> yofel: before sddm-theme-maldives was installed.  Becuase sddm recommends sddm-theme (fullfilled already )  sddm-theme-maui was not added  in the upgrade
[16:53] <allee> shadeslayer: I think as the theme is hardcoded in the /etc/sddm.conf we should depend on the  default theme until upstream implements sort of save fallback
[16:53] <yofel> nope, still doesn't work
[16:54] <allee> yofel: and even better /var/log/sddm.log is empty only /var/log/syslog show 'too may respawns'
[16:54] <yofel> yep, exactly
[16:54] <shadeslayer> allee: it
[16:54] <shadeslayer> allee: it's not
[16:54] <allee> yofel: ah, same here
[16:54] <shadeslayer> allee: it's hard coded in the code now
[16:54] <shadeslayer> which is shit
[16:54] <allee> shadeslayer: agreed.  But then we should depend on sddm-theme-<whatever-is-hardcoded>
[16:56] <shadeslayer> allee: no, upstream should fix their theme detection code
[17:00] <allee> shadeslayer: IMO when it fixed we can remove the 'depends.  but as only upgraded sddm are effected we can also life with recommends
[17:00] <allee> independently: sddm fails on start and logs nothing to /var/log/sddm.log here
[17:07] <ovidiu-florin> one more hour
[17:18] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: getting nervous?
[17:18] <ovidiu-florin>  not really
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> my back ake has returned
[17:19] <ovidiu-florin> :(
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> I need to get started on sports again
[17:20] <Riddell> I recommend canoing
[17:20] <ovidiu-florin> my doc sayd swimming
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> said*
[17:21] <Riddell> yeah that's pretty good for most issues
[17:21] <Riddell> no pressure involved
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> I like jogging
[17:21] <ovidiu-florin> But swimming is better
[17:22] <Riddell> too much impact with jogging if you have injuries
[17:23] <ovidiu-florin> I know
[17:23] <Riddell> says my pop physiotherapy
[17:24] <Riddell> sgclark: have you worked out how to get round adding --allow-unauthenticated with apt-get source ?
[17:24] <sgclark> Riddell: huh?
[17:25] <Riddell> sgclark: I find myself having to add --allow-unauthenticated when I run apt-get source to get anything from ninjas
[17:25] <Riddell> it's a "security issue" which debian fixed recently
[17:25] <Riddell> maybe you need to do a dist-upgrade to get it
[17:25] <Riddell> in which case, don't :)
[17:25] <Riddell> I have apt 1.0.4ubuntu5
[17:26] <sgclark> ok, I have all the source for this batch from doing the script upload
[17:26] <sgclark> so have not encountered that issue
[17:27]  * sgclark s not feeling well today, so not working at optimal levels
[17:28] <Riddell> ah hah
[17:28] <Riddell> take it easy then
[17:29] <ovidiu-florin> health before wealth :P
[17:29] <sgclark> think kdepim will be easy enough, step and marble I fought with over the weekend without luck if anyone can look at them
[17:31] <sgclark> Riddell: also tomorrow I will be out working @ OSCON. hopefully feeling better..
[17:34] <Riddell> sgclark: ooh going to be on the stall bigging up KDE?
[17:35] <sgclark> Libreoffice asked for help in our loco mailing list
[17:35] <Riddell> tell them to use calligra >:)
[17:36] <sgclark> lol
[17:40] <ovidiu-florin> 20 more minutes :D
[17:41] <Riddell> quick think of scary questions for ovidiu-florin!
[17:41] <Riddell> "what is the blood type of your first born" that sort of thing
[17:42] <Riddell> "can you fill in a spanish identity form" that's stupid scary http://www.exteriores.gob.es/Consulados/DUSSELDORF/de/Documents/15-Formulario_NIE_y_certificados.pdf
[17:42] <ovidiu-florin> claro que si
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> io no necessita Google Translate
[17:43] <ovidiu-florin> I may be a bit off with the conjugation, though
[17:49] <ovidiu-florin> 10 more minutes
[17:51] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: Sorry was away from my desk
[17:52] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: do I have to send an email regarding the beginning of the meeting?
[17:52] <Riddell> no
[17:53] <Riddell> although pinging council members may be an idea https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-council/+members
[17:53] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: I am here, and ready for meeting
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> so am I :D
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> should we wait for valorie?
[17:54] <Riddell> wait for the time :)
[17:54] <ovidiu-florin> she said she's set up an allarm, so she can join
[17:55] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: 5  more minutes
[17:57] <yofel> o/
[17:59] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell yofel shadeslayer ScottK valorie Mamarok Ping. The meeting is about to start. Should we do it here or in #ubuntu-meeting ? #ubuntu-meeting seems free
[18:00] <Riddell> yep
[18:00] <Riddell> ** Kubuntu Meetign in #ubuntu-meeting now
[18:01] <Riddell> Mamarok, valorie ping ↑
[18:10] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you didn't commit your sddm changes to plasma-workspace to bzr, done now and re-uploaded
[18:17] <Riddell> yofel, valorie: think of questions!
[18:19] <mparillo> 	Sick_Rimmit: You have been running installs of Utopic onto a V_Box? I am using VMware Player, and I cannot install the proprietary VM Tools, nor get my image to go full-screen, nor open-vm-tools (https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/open-vm-tools/+bug/1338993).. Are you using Virtual Box? With Guest Additions?
[18:20]  * valorie just woke up.....
[18:20] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: Yes I am 
[18:21] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: I haven't tried switching it to full screen, I just assumed that would work, but I am happy to try it out,
[18:22] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: Thank you. VMWare player calls it full-screen mode, which removes the window decorations from the host.
[18:22] <mparillo> And allows you to scale to the size of your display automagically.
[18:23] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: Ỳes If I understand you correctly, it is similar in v_box, you have to use a HostKey+F key shortcut to switch back and forth
[18:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: so sorry, I only just came home :(
[18:23] <Sick_Rimmit> Mamarok: #ubuntu-meeting if your looking for Member meet
[18:26] <ryanakca> Riddell: I just received an email at webmaster@k.o. I thought it had been switched to point to Ofir years ago. Who's the appropriate person it should point to now? Of the 18 emails I've received at that address since April 2010, all 18 have been spam, so it could probably just be redirected to /dev/null as well.
[18:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: maybe our new member ovidiu-florin would like the task?
[18:31] <Riddell> ryanakca: which address is that? webmaster@kubuntu .org ?
[18:32] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: I'm just testing a Kpatience bug, nearly finished. I'll run up a Utopic VM with Guest additions and test shortly
[18:32] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: business cards I've only done 1 order of, I can dig out the details if you want some more
[18:33] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: TY
[18:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I don't see qtcurve in next, I just uploaded plasma5 meta package with frameworksintegration added
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: I haven't had any
[18:34] <ovidiu-florin> Riddell: what's the task ryanakca talks about?
[18:34]  * ovidiu-florin is eating ice cream to celebrate
[18:34] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: If you get chance you can add me to your map im at - https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Exeter,+Devon+EX4+2PN/@50.731608,-3.5647344,17z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m7!1m4!3m3!1s0x486da5b9dbf18ecb:0x79255e58a58afc8!2sExeter,+Devon+EX4+2PN!3b1!3m1!1s0x486da5b9dbf18ecb:0x79255e58a58afc8
[18:35]  * ovidiu-florin 's lips are numb
[18:35] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: webmaster@kubuntu .org
[18:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: Rejected:
[18:35] <shadeslayer> Unable to find kde-style-qtcurve_1.8.18+git20140721.orig.tar.xz in upload or distribution.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[18:35] <shadeslayer> :(
[18:35] <Riddell> shadeslayer: debuild -S -sa  is your friend :)
[18:35] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, webmaster@. It was originally pointed to me back in 2008 or 2009, whenever I first starting website work, but I'm clearly not the right person for the alias any more :)
[18:35] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: give me your gmail address
[18:36] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: ricktimmis68@googlemail.com
[18:36] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: here's the files I used for business cards, if you make some for yourself I can work out how to order them again http://people.ubuntu.com/~jr/business/
[18:36]  * shadeslayer ponders what to make for dinner
[18:36] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: check your email
[18:36] <Riddell> ovidiu-florin: ryanakca is wonder where webmaster@kubuntu should go to, would you be up to answering the very few e-mails it gets?
[18:36] <ryanakca> Riddell: I can prod the sysadmins to have it moved over
[18:37] <ryanakca> ovidiu-florin: It's gotten < 20 emails in the past four years, and it's all been spam, so not much time commitment :)
[18:37] <ovidiu-florin> Sure
[18:38] <Riddell> ryanakca: ovidiub13@kubuntu .org it is then
[18:38] <ovidiu-florin> yeeeey :D
[18:40] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: you get an IRC hostmask too, if you want it
[18:40] <ovidiu-florin> what's that?
[18:40] <ovidiu-florin> a nick alias?
[18:41] <ryanakca> Riddell, ovidiu-florin: Alright. I'll send the sysadmins / RT an email and CC the two of you.
[18:41] <ovidiu-florin> great
[18:41] <valorie> no, it replaces your incoming info with custom
[18:41] <valorie> look at Jussi's
[18:41] <valorie> very fancy
[18:41] <yofel> ovidiu-florin: it masks the host part of your address (for you that's the IP)
[18:41]  * valorie just kept my amarok one
[18:42] <yofel> so instead of the IP it would say 'ubuntu/member/ovidiu-florin'
[18:42] <ovidiu-florin> yeah, sure, why not, but isn't it 'kubuntu/member/ovidiu-florin'?
[18:43] <yofel> no, we don't have our own masks
[18:43] <ovidiu-florin> and that would appear everywhere? on every channel?
[18:43] <Riddell> someone did a silent takeover of my kubuntu registration with freenode back in the day
[18:44] <yofel> well, it's part of your IRC identity, so that's everywhere
[18:44] <yofel> you see it in whois and join/part
[18:44] <valorie> you don't have to, but it is one of the perks
[18:44] <Sick_Rimmit> ovidiu-florin: Ah ha, it took me a minute to figure out how to do it, but I'm now on the map. Thanks
[18:45] <yofel> it does help figuring out who you are if you change to some random weird nick
[18:45] <yofel> like... jellyfish :P
[18:45] <ovidiu-florin> Sick_Rimmit: ;)
[18:45] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: how's digikam going?
[18:46] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: OK, so I got the tarball, and have been look at the README's - I decided to see what I was up against running pbuilder with cmake, and was just looking at some stackoverflow posts, when the members meeting arrived
[18:47] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: I'm a bit unsure about dependencies, but I think I need to get as far as running pbuilder and see what breaks
[18:47] <yofel> that's pretty much the first thing you want to do with digikam
[18:47] <yofel> and read the cmake output - it's long
[18:48] <sgclark> I asked about the IRC  mask and never recieved an answer, I would like one...
[18:48] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: you just copy over the existing packaging, run dch -i for the new version, run debuild to build it and see what breaks
[18:48] <yofel> sgclark: #ubuntu-irc should be able to help you there I believe
[18:48] <Riddell> sgclark: also Tm_T is a useful person for irc help
[18:48] <sgclark> erm what exactly do I ask for? kubuntu?
[18:49] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Where do I get the exisiting packaging from ? 
[18:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit apt-get source digikam
[18:49] <yofel> sgclark: IRC cloak
[18:49] <yofel> Riddell, Sick_Rimmit: bzr please
[18:49] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Ah right I see
[18:49] <yofel> lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam
[18:49] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: actually as yofel says 
[18:49] <Riddell> bzr co that
[18:50] <valorie> sgclark: look at some of the others and see what you like, before asking
[18:51] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: yofel OK roger that, so we don't download the tarballs from the project website
[18:51] <sgclark> too late
[18:51] <valorie> they don't like to change them
[18:51] <valorie> ha
[18:51] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: well, we do, but I believe digikam has a working watch file
[18:51] <yofel> so debuild can do that itself
[18:51] <valorie> anyway, off to cook breakfast
[18:52] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: bzr only has the packaging, not the full source
[18:52] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: Right OK, I better go an check the info pages on debuild, just get a better idea of what it can do I think]
[18:53] <yofel> watch files were originally meant for easy version updates for uscan/uupdate, which is what you use if you don't have any packaging branch
[18:54] <yofel> now that I think about it, the download might not be done by debuild but bzr builddeb... not quite sure anymore
[18:54] <yofel> anyway, when you have the branch, run dch to add a new changelog for the update, make sure it has the new upstream version and run 'bzr builddeb -S'
[18:55] <yofel> that'll give you a package that you can build with pbuilder
[19:03] <Sick_Rimmit> yofel: OK I think, I have conflicting and outdated information. I followed some packaging Tutorials from YouTube, non of these techniques were mentioned in them. Is their any upto date docs you can point me at please ?
[19:05] <yofel> uhm.... maybe.. we use a half-classic/half-UDD packaging style
[19:05] <yofel> let me dig up the usual pages
[19:06] <Riddell> sgclark probably knows some
[19:06] <sgclark> knows some what?
[19:06] <Riddell> some docs for how to do packaging
[19:06] <sgclark> you showed me in an ec2 thingy
[19:06] <yofel> wow, we have our own page in the ubuntu packaging guide o.o
[19:07] <yofel> rather short though http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/kde.html
[19:07] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, let me take a look at that.
[19:07] <yofel> Sick_Rimmit: you should read yourself through http://packaging.ubuntu.com/html/index.html in any case
[19:08] <Riddell> packaging guide is mostly about UDD though which hasn't taken off, ignore those chapters
[19:08] <Sick_Rimmit> I've just down a bzr branch, and got a /debian dir - I understand what that is and what it means, so that's good news
[19:08] <Riddell> yay
[19:08] <Riddell> now you add it to the extracted sources of digikam
[19:08] <Riddell> and debuild
[19:09] <yofel> uh
[19:09] <yofel> no need to do that
[19:09] <yofel> just run 'bzr builddeb -S'
[19:09] <Riddell> fancy shmancy commands are also available ↑
[19:09] <Sick_Rimmit> Ah OK, er... 
[19:09] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, non mutex on the above then
[19:09] <yofel> it's really like normal packaging, just bzr builddeb instead of debuild
[19:09] <Sick_Rimmit> that's cool, I can try and break all with both routes
[19:10] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: one piece of advice, you will want to do packaging in a chroot
[19:10] <Sick_Rimmit> sgclark: Ah now, I thought that was what pbuilder was taking care of ?
[19:11] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit yeah I verify with pbuilder. probably can do all with it.
[19:11] <yofel> you *can* package for utopic while running trusty, but you might end up needing some backports eventually. So using a dev chroot helps with that, but it's not needed
[19:12]  * Sick_Rimmit has read Ubuntu packaging guide, I used that to get setup
[19:12] <yofel> I personally develop while actually running the dev release, but I do also sometimes do it on trusty
[19:12] <Sick_Rimmit> OK, you guys are so very Awesome!
[19:12] <yofel> you do want to be at most one release behind though
[19:12] <yofel> i.e. latest stable
[19:13] <Sick_Rimmit> I appreciate your help, let me got try a few things, see what breaks, I'm a bit of a hands on experimenter type of learner
[19:13] <Sick_Rimmit> Yes, I'm running LTS 14.04
[19:13] <sgclark> Sick_Rimmit: exactly, that is how I learned most of what I now know, and I am still learning everyday
[19:14] <Riddell> Sick_Rimmit: I can also set up an ec2 cloud machine if you need temporary cpu power or to share screens with someone for help
[19:14] <Sick_Rimmit> Of course I'm not trying to do this in  foo combat mode, just learning the ropes so it's all good
[19:15] <Sick_Rimmit> Riddell: Thank you, it's going good right now, and IRC help is proving great
[19:15] <Riddell> https://blogs.kde.org/content/best-thing-about-plasma-5  new poll!
[19:16] <yofel> there's kmenuedit? :O
[19:16] <sgclark> no love for cute developers lol
[19:16] <Riddell> totally
[19:17] <yofel> lol, kmenuedit tells me it's version is ""
[19:17] <yofel> *its
[19:18]  * yofel likes plasma overall, but will probably stick to Elarun as wallpaper
[19:18] <sgclark> that is sooo last year!
[19:19] <yofel> well, maybe I need to try it on something other than my eeePC, but that's the only system I can afford to brick right now :/
[19:21] <yofel> which I kinda expected to happen and I'm pleasantly suprised it didn't :D
[19:24] <sgclark> yeah  am actullay running plasma 5 on an old cheap machine, it is running surprisingly well
[19:28] <_Groo_> The Developers are Cute, 1 vote
[19:29] <_Groo_> apachelogger: mother doesnt count i guess
[19:29] <_Groo_> you guys would have more votes if it were: The Developers are dead ugly, although smart
[19:29] <yofel> hey _Groo_, long time no see ^^
[19:29] <_Groo_> yofel :D
[19:29] <_Groo_> yeah im kinda back
[19:29] <yofel> yay
[19:30] <_Groo_> i had some personal problems this weekend, but im preparing myself to really mess with your work.. err. packages .. err...life.. err... something
[19:31] <_Groo_> by your i mean plural has in, groo just messed our build system, no kde beta for you
[19:40] <Sick_Rimmit> Ooo Oo how very exciting..
[19:41] <Sick_Rimmit> debuild successfully built digikam source tree, and now pbuilder is setting about creating the package...
[19:41] <Sick_Rimmit> this pleases Sick_Rimmit greatly
[19:44] <Riddell> yay
[19:44] <Riddell> but you need to check for any uninstalled files
[19:44] <Riddell> which might be in the build output depending on the build system used
[19:45] <Riddell> but pbuilder doesn't keep a log so don't kill that terminal window
[19:45] <yofel> it does if you tell it to..
[19:45] <yofel> also, our pbuilder-hooks really do help with all that
[19:45] <Riddell> slightly nutty that's not on by default
[19:45] <sgclark> yeah mine does
[19:45] <Riddell> or just build it in a chroot without pbuilder
[19:51] <_Groo_> if you want to check for lost files, usually lintian tell you to when pbuilder ends building
[19:51] <_Groo_> also, usually pbuilder creates a log in the pbuilder results dir
[19:51] <_Groo_> finally you can create your package locally with debuild -us -nc
[19:51] <_Groo_> and then you upload it to launchpad with debuild -S -sa
[21:23] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: Hey you still about, I have news about your VM Ware issues
[21:36] <santa_> sgclark: where is plasma-nm 5 bzr?
[21:37] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: ping
[21:38] <sgclark> santa_: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-nm ?
[21:39] <santa_> sgclark: thank you, apparently somehow it wasn't displayed in the web
[21:44] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: Pong
[21:44] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: Ah ha great..
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: So I have news...
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> Running 14.10 Beta in Virtual Box with guest additions, initially did not yield full screen display
[21:45] <Sick_Rimmit> neither did it offer automagic mouse pointer capture
[21:46] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: Did 14.04? That is, has something changed? It seems to have with respect to VMware/
[21:46] <Sick_Rimmit> The solution was to go into Settings>Hardware Drivers and enable the Virtual Box InnoTek drivers
[21:47] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: A well I didn't try it on 14.04, of course I can and will tomorrow, but I suspect the solution will remain the same
[21:48] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: Thank you very much, and if you do get a chance with 14.04, would you please update this channel, even if I am not on?
[21:48] <mparillo> I will see if HW Drivers show anything in 14.10 for me when I re-boot.
[21:48] <Sick_Rimmit> once the InnoTek drivers are enabled a quick reboot, of the virtual machine should give you a seamless full screen desktop
[21:49] <Sick_Rimmit> Right, that's me done, off to bed. catch you later ttfn
[21:49] <mparillo> Sick_Rimmit: Thank you so much. 
[21:50] <Sick_Rimmit> mparillo: You're most welcome..
[22:11] <shadeslayer> ovidiu-florin: congrats on becoming a Kubuntu Member!
[22:12] <shadeslayer> I shall accept thanks as a bottle of that fine Romanian Vodka
[22:13] <shadeslayer> :p
[22:44] <ScottK> congratulations ovidiu-florin.  
[22:45] <ScottK> WiFi in the airplane was broken, so I'm glad I pre-voted.
[22:59] <santa_> may I suggest to delete http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/libkscreen2 ?
[22:59] <santa_> because the right one seems to be http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/libkscreen (without the 2)
[22:59] <santa_> (to avoid possible confusions)