/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/21/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

pittiLaney: OOI, what was "-k"?04:57
pittiLaney: oh, you mean run-adt-test -k04:57
pittiGood morning04:58
didrocksmorning06:13
mvo_hey didrocks, good morning06:19
didrockshey mvo_! how was your week-end?06:19
mvo_didrocks: quiet but nice otherwise06:19
mvo_didrocks: and yours?06:21
didrocksmvo_: was nice! went to Angers (Nord West) of France for a wedding in Julie's family06:22
didrockswe took the occasion to visite on of the castle there06:22
mvo_didrocks: nice! thats sounds like lots of fun06:22
didrockshad to rent a car, quite a little bit of driving, but it was nice :)06:22
didrocksyeah06:22
seb128good morning desktopers06:23
seb128hey didrocks pitti mvo_06:23
didrocksmorning seb128!06:23
pittibonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ?06:23
mvo_hey seb128, good morning06:23
pittihey mvo_06:24
mvo_hey pitti, guten morgen !06:24
seb128pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?06:24
seb128bon w.e ?06:24
pittioui, bon w.e. long à Dresden06:24
didrockshey pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you ?06:24
pittitaking Friday off -> one gets the punishment on Monday :)06:25
seb128pitti, same here ;-)06:25
seb128well Dresden -> Den Haag for me06:26
pittiseb128: ah, pour tourisme, ou as-tu de familie là ?06:34
seb128pitti, j'ai une amie qui habite là, je lui rends visite06:34
seb128on a eu du beau temps, samedi il faisait 30°C on a fait du vélo et on s'est baignés à la plage sur le chemin06:34
pittitrès bien; aimes-tu Den Haag ? Je ne le connais pas06:35
seb128oui, c'est une jolie ville06:35
darkxsthey seb128, didrocks, pitti06:35
didrocksmorning darkxst!06:36
seb128darkxst, hey06:36
seb128pitti, on a visité Amsterdam également vendredi06:36
darkxstdidrocks, I setup tracker unit tests as autopkgtests, however quite a few of the functional tests seem broken06:36
pittiseb128: ah, nous seulement avons eu un pool, mais c'était très bien, il faisait 34 °C..06:36
seb128pitti, trop chaud !06:37
seb128pitti, piscine donc ?06:37
didrocksdarkxst: did you open/check with upstream on why they are broken? Do they run them regularly or is it an environment/setup issue?06:37
pittiseb128: oui, les voisins de mes parents ont un piscin06:38
pitti"une piscine"06:38
pittiseb128: mais pendant les soirs et les nuits il faisait très bien06:39
darkxstdidrocks, well they are disabled by default, and there are some build system issues with them not installing properly06:39
seb128pitti, ok06:39
pittiseb128: so we mostly stayed inside on Saturday afternoon and had a nice walk and visited the fair on Saturday night06:39
darkxstbut I still need to check with upstream, sometimes hard to catch the relevant people on IRC with my timezone!06:39
didrocksdarkxst: argh, care sending/poking upstream about that? Seems a nice way to contribute yeah :)06:40
didrocksdarkxst: let's keep me posted :)06:40
darkxstdidrocks, will do06:41
RAOFHow can Unity7 *still* have stacking bugs where it draws everything underneath all the windows?06:49
seb128RAOF, compiz and stacking... ;-)07:01
didrocks(I won't mention the stacking issues that jibel reported on Mir though :p)07:02
RAOFStacking of applications being wrong is stupid, but understandable.07:03
RAOFThere's no excuse for the alt-tab switcher or dash being below other windows.07:03
RAOFThey don't *need* to stack!07:03
RAOFThey're never anything but on top!07:03
didrocksRAOF: btw, I confirm on the alt-tab switcher being behind07:04
didrocksI had it on Friday as well07:04
didrocksnot sure how to trigger it though07:04
seb128RAOF, that used to be true07:05
RAOFOh, lock screen.07:06
seb128RAOF, until they made the lockscreen part of unity, and had bugs where alt-tab was showing over it07:06
seb128yes...07:06
seb128lockscreens under X = no fun07:07
RAOFYeah, we really should just switch VT.07:08
RAOFOr, you know, have a system compositor :)07:08
seb128sounds like something we should do indeed ;-)07:08
RAOFIs ddebs.ubuntu.com connected to the Internet via wet string? It should really push better than 90KB/sec07:18
Laneyhey hey08:03
didrocksgood morning Laney, how was your week-end?08:04
willcookemorning desktopers08:04
didrockshey willcooke! good morning and welcome back :)08:05
willcooke\o/08:05
willcookejust getting my accounts set up etc08:05
didrocksyeah, nothing really changed infrastructure-wise, so I guess you will be quickly setup :)08:06
willcookeYeah, should be easy.08:06
willcookeActually - job #1 - set up a new Chromium profile08:07
Laneydidrocks: yeah, very good thanks - climbing, visiting baby, climbing, bbq, board games ;-)08:07
Laneyyou?08:07
Laneyhey willcooke08:08
willcookehi Laney!08:08
willcookeGood to meet you08:08
xnoxwillcooke: hello! =)08:08
Laneyand you :-)08:08
willcookehey xnox :D08:08
seb128hey Laney willcooke xnox08:08
Laneyhowdy seb128 xnox08:08
didrockswillcooke: yeah, multiple chromium profile is a must if you don't want to become crazy in google account switching :p08:08
Laneygood weekends?08:08
xnoxwillcooke: i haven't met you, but i've heard good things about you already =))))08:09
willcookeseb128 Howdy!08:09
* Laney has no multiple profile business08:09
seb128didrocks, multiple browsers08:09
didrocksLaney: oh nice! I went to the north west of France for a wedding and used that opportunity to visit on of the numerous castle there08:09
Laneymust be missing out on some browsing utopia08:09
didrocksseb128: pffff, that's weak ;)08:09
* seb128 uses firefox for work and chromium for !work08:09
LaneyI just use the multi login google stuff08:09
didrocksseb128: is there any other browser than chrom*?08:09
willcookexnox, ha!  Reserve judgement ;)08:09
* didrocks looks at the calendar, oh not friday, sorry08:09
didrockskthxbye :)08:09
Laneybut then again I have no gmail and never make gdocs, soooooo08:10
seb128didrocks, yeah, w3m, what else do you want to use?08:10
didrocksright right :p08:10
seb128but ja, not friday yet!08:10
LaneyI can share my custom set of scripts wrapping nc08:10
seb128even if I could do with another w.e ;-)08:10
Laneythey are EXTREMELY extensible!08:10
didrocksseb128: "ja" -> getting used to Strasbourg already? :)08:10
seb128lol08:11
didrocksLaney: yeah… I believe you… but… no thanks :)08:11
Laneyoh and they're email driven08:11
Laney/nick rms08:11
didrocksheh08:11
seb128u-s-s is a bit crazy recently08:12
* seb128 starts doing some reviews08:12
didrocksseb128: not sure how to understand your test plan became "green" in the email, but the color is still yellow and progress is red08:13
didrocksor system app isn't system settings?08:13
Laney?!08:14
didrocksand the core apps?08:14
didrocksLaney: some weekly QA report08:14
seb128didrocks, oh, I stopped reading those emails ... the test plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings got quite some work, thanks to brendan08:14
seb128(just saw that, thanks for pointing it)08:15
Laneyyeah nobody acked my top quality test fix work yet, that's why ;-)08:15
didrocksseb128: so, I guess it was related to u-s-s, but not reflected at all in the tabular08:15
seb128could be yeah08:15
didrockssystem app is a confusing name anyway :p08:15
seb128that testplan is crazy08:15
* didrocks looks08:15
seb128like you have 3 pages of tests to go through08:15
didrocksahah, and they are empty sections still!08:16
seb128yeah ...08:16
seb128turns out settings is quite some work/doing quite some things08:16
czajkowskialoha08:16
didrocksmorning czajkowski08:16
seb128hey czajkowski, how are you?08:16
didrocksseb128: unbelievable ;)08:17
czajkowskiwell I was fine till I had to log in under my guest account to get my desktop this morning under Trusty :/08:17
seb128urg08:17
seb128what happened to your normal account?08:17
czajkowskiI don't know :(08:18
czajkowskiit was working last night08:18
seb128what happened when you try to log in there?08:18
czajkowskihttps://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/108:19
willcookehi czajkowski08:19
czajkowskiis all I see when I log in08:19
czajkowskiwillcooke: welcome back sunshine!08:19
czajkowski\o/08:19
willcookeczajkowski, :D  I know which side my bread is buttered08:19
willcooke</english_sayings>08:19
willcookeor rather, British08:19
czajkowskiheh08:20
czajkowskiseb128: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/108:20
czajkowskiguest account works08:21
seb128czajkowski, try running "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" for your user08:21
czajkowskiseb128: under guest or main account ?08:22
seb128czajkowski, the main one08:22
seb128czajkowski, you can use nautilus to browse to /usr/bin and start things if needed08:22
czajkowskiok shall go and attempt that :)08:22
czajkowskicheers08:22
seb128like a command line08:22
seb128or try keybindings08:22
didrocks(ctrl + alt + T to try to open it from command line)08:22
seb128depends if u-s-d is running08:22
didrockshoping that compiz is running08:22
didrocksyep08:22
seb128but my guess is that the unity plugin got unloaded for some reason08:23
czajkowskilemie reboot nad seee08:23
czajkowskinope :(08:27
czajkowskicould be the day I upgrade to U I guess08:27
* ogra_ hands willcooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYcGPF00l0 ... for his buttered bread08:27
ogra_(and welcome back !!!)08:27
seb128czajkowski, can you share your .cache/upstart/gnome-session-Unity.log ?08:27
willcookeogra_, ha!  Love it08:29
czajkowskiseb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7829147/08:30
ochosimorning everyone08:32
seb128hey ochosi08:32
ochosihey seb128, still enjoying your holidays or back sweating for the man?08:33
didrocksmorning ochosi08:33
seb128ochosi, back to work, dealing with backlogs ;-)08:33
Laneythere's no way you would see seb128 if he was on holiday08:33
Laney:P08:33
Laneyhe'd be on the beach drinking cocktails out of a pineapple08:34
didrocksand rightly so! :)08:34
ochosihehe08:34
didrocksah, the alcohol issue…08:34
didrockswe told we won't mention it again :p08:34
* ochosi wants to live where seb128 lives if they serve cocktails in pineapples there...08:34
seb128lol08:34
seb128didrocks, you are the one assuming that cocktails with pineapple have to include alcohol!08:35
didrocksargh, caught :p08:35
seb128;-)08:35
* seb128 doesn't drink alcohol08:36
seb128only beer, wine and schnaps08:36
didrockswhich isn't alcol08:36
didrocksalcohol*08:36
didrocksby german standards :p08:36
seb128correct08:36
seb128well, german or french08:36
seb128depending of the day/drink ;-)08:36
didrocksyou speak for the french :)08:36
didrockswhich isn't really true ;)08:37
seb128czajkowski, hum08:39
seb128czajkowski, you log has the same error than https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/134529608:40
seb128"ERROR 2014-07-21 09:15:46 unity.debug.interface DebugDBusInterface.cpp:216 Unable to load entry point in libxpathselect: libxpathselect.so.1.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"08:40
seb128not sure why you get that08:40
seb128that library is not installed by default/unity shouldn't require it to run08:41
seb128Trevinho, ^ do you know about that?08:41
didrocksseb128: still weird it's working on her guest session though08:43
seb128yes08:43
didrockssome config is triggering that requirement08:44
czajkowskiyup welcome to my weirdness08:44
czajkowskiand a odd start to a monday :)08:44
seb128it's like some option/extra plugin got activated08:44
didrocksright ;)08:44
seb128czajkowski, did you tweak your config in any way yesterday? what did you upgrade? (dpkg.log can tell you)08:44
didrocksthe calls are in unity-shared/DebugDBusInterface.cpp08:44
czajkowskiseb128: nope nothing08:53
czajkowskibooted it up last night and read mail and logged off08:53
seb128weird :/08:53
czajkowskiseb128: yup any idea how I can fix it before I leave for Germany tomorrow08:55
czajkowski.c09:01
seb128czajkowski, having a reply from Trevinho or bregma would be useful...09:02
seb128czajkowski, you can try to unity --reset but I'm not sure that's still a thing/working09:04
czajkowskicant hurt either09:05
seb128czajkowski, you can probably try to move somewhere ~/.compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-109:05
seb128keep those maybe for debugging in case09:06
didrocksseb128: reset doesn't exist anymore09:06
seb128didrocks, right, what I though :-/09:07
didrocksnobody changed it since I deprecated it09:07
seb128didrocks, is 0replaceme working in maintscripts? i.e https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/rm_conffile/+merge/22751309:09
didrocksseb128: no, it doesn't, it could easily though09:09
seb128Laney, ^09:10
didrockssil2100: mind if I change this in cu2d and then you deploy it? ^09:10
czajkowskibah my guest account doesn't keep any histroy :/09:10
* didrocks can do that in few secs09:10
Laneywait09:10
Laneyrobru fixed it to do that the other day09:10
seb128oh09:11
didrocksyeah, I'm looking at the code and he changed that to everywhere09:11
didrockswhich can create issues with comments though…09:11
didrockswell, shrugh…09:11
Laneyeverywhere in debian/?09:12
didrocksLaney: yeah09:12
Laneyguess we'll see if there are problems in practice and can restrict then09:12
didrocksand the function is still name as refresh_symbol_files()09:12
didrocksLaney: some people used that in comments09:12
sil2100didrocks: no problem ;)09:12
sil2100didrocks: cupstream2distro trunk should be safe currently09:12
didrocksat least, cjwatson added tests09:14
didrockssil2100: the approved approach is really risky btw09:15
didrockssil2100: you don't check the revision which is approved09:15
didrocksso, if you really want to force approved version, you should check that ids used to be built and the approved rev are the same09:16
seb128Laney, the update branch still has unhappy CI :-/09:17
Laneywhich?09:17
seb128https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/system-update-dbus-last-updated/+merge/22732209:17
seb128or is that because it needs your fix stack on top of it?09:17
Laneythat doesn't have the fixes merged in09:17
LaneyI think dbus-ap-cleanup prereqs on that one and is happy09:18
seb128indeed is09:18
Laneyit's had three CI runs now so I'm kind of hopeful09:19
seb128right09:19
* Laney is bisecting glib09:26
sil2100didrocks: ACK, will consider that09:26
seb128Laney, what did desrt do?09:30
Laneyhttps://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-shotwell/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console09:30
Laneybisect says https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=49b59e5ac4428a6a99a85d699c3662f96efc4e9d09:32
asacseb128: are you guys working on system image support for x86?09:32
seb128asac, no, desktop has nothing to do with system images so far (out of being included in the discussions in Malta)09:36
seb128that would rather be a topic for foundations / mvo09:36
seb128or barry09:36
asacyeah. was just curious09:36
asacbecause of the merge09:36
asacbut guess system-update != system-image-update09:36
ochosihm, have any of you an idea how the soundmenu manages to forward the mouse-grab from the menuitem to the gtkscale? somehow that doesn't seem to work if i put a scale into a menuitem normally and i couldn't find any special code for that in indicator-sound09:40
seb128ochosi, ido is having the special widgets09:40
seb128larsu can probably help you a bit better than me there though09:40
larsuochosi: I think we have a gtk patch for that (not sure, didn't write that)09:43
larsuI've been meaning to check wheter we still need it though09:43
ochosiah, that'd be interesting to know!09:43
ochosididn't realize i would have to look for that in ido :)09:43
larsuochosi: right, idorangemenuitem.c09:44
larsuochosi: ugh sorry. idorange.c is the gtkscale subclass and idoscalemenuitem.c is the menu item09:44
larsuthe menu item does override all kinds of events, maybe it's enough to just do that09:45
ochosihumm, no 12.04 branch anymore09:45
* ochosi wants to implement that in gtk209:45
larsuI think it was in the sound indicator back then09:46
larsu(before we did the split)09:46
ochosioh09:46
ochosido you by any chance remember whether those things changed a lot from gtk2 to gtk3?09:46
larsuno, sorry09:47
ochosiok, no worries09:47
ochosii'll look around and poke you again if i feel lost :p09:47
larsuthe menu code in general didn't change that much iirc09:47
larsuso your chances are good09:47
larsusure!09:48
=== Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha
czajkowskiseb128: think it's safe to upgrade to U given my current morning dekstop issue ?10:27
seb128czajkowski, yes10:30
seb128not sure U is going to solve that though10:30
seb128but you can still upgrade10:30
* didrocks is making a temptative run outside :p10:30
czajkowskicould be worse this could have happened on wednesday when I need a working machine for an event at least I've a few days to fix the issue10:30
seb128didrocks, good luck and enjoy!10:31
seb128czajkowski, the unity guys should be online at some point and able to help you I guess10:31
czajkowskiseb128: nods who should  I look out for ?10:32
seb128czajkowski, bregma Trevinho townsend10:37
czajkowskicheers10:38
seb128time for lunch here, be back in an hour10:43
Laneyhmm a new stable gstreamer10:45
rickspencer3seb128, Laney, didrocks, etc...11:10
rickspencer3does everyone remember willcooke ?>11:11
willcookeo/11:11
* willcooke waves11:11
LaneyI'm too fresh and innocent11:11
willcookeLaney, that won't last11:11
rickspencer3lol11:11
Laneyactually I lived through Jason so I'm not sure that can be true :P11:12
willcookeha11:12
rickspencer3Laney, et al as of today, willcooke is the engineering manager for the desktop team11:12
Laneyhigh five11:12
willcooke:)11:12
willcookeI'll get a 1:1 meeting with you guys set up in the next day or so11:13
rickspencer3Laney, meanwhile, what do you think willcooke should focus on first?11:13
willcookeI'd like to introduce myself and get a good view on what our process looks like, where our backlog is etc.11:13
rickspencer3willcooke, I can say that their interim manager has not been too helpful11:14
willcooke:D11:14
rickspencer3the only thing I did right was find a good replacement for jasoncwarner ;)11:15
Laneyha11:16
Laneyyou helped us arrange $upcoming_trips11:16
rickspencer3willcooke, did you get any time off between your last job and this one?11:16
willcookea couple of days, enough to get a round of golf in11:16
Laneyaaaaaaand took us for steak and I'm sure many other things that I didn't see :P11:16
willcooke:)11:16
rickspencer3"took us for steak"11:17
rickspencer3lol11:17
Laneythings to focus on, I expect $upcoming_trip[1] is going to need some attention11:17
rickspencer3Laney, I got you started on the Unity 8/Mir desktop preivew11:18
rickspencer3that's my claim to fame desktop team wise11:18
Laneyhaha, yes!11:18
rickspencer3of course, it was all seb128's idea11:18
rickspencer3byt11:18
* rickspencer3 shrugs11:18
rickspencer3:)11:18
willcookeRegarding $trip - I'll know more details for my flights etc in the next couple of days. Then I will get an itinerary together (although it sounds like that is mostly done)11:19
LaneyYa, it's coming together - they're asking for people to 'own' sessions11:21
Laneythat kind of prep11:21
willcookeLaney, could you forward me any relevant emails from the last few weeks regarding sessions etc?11:21
willcookeor point me to a wiki page where everything is documented.11:21
willcookejk11:21
willcooke;p11:22
LaneyI just know of one document11:22
Laneyhere you go .......11:22
willcookehaving all sorts of SSO issues11:56
willcooke:(11:56
didrocksI'm moderately wet, so, I will call my exercise a moderate success :)11:57
Laneyfell in the lake?11:59
didrockswillcooke: yeah, as told already, happy to have you there (this rick guy was soooo awful, I'm happy he never had been an ubuntu desktop manager ever never ever :p)11:59
willcooke:D12:00
didrockshe always took bad decision like hiring me at the time and such :p12:00
didrocksLaney: avoided the lake, and not falling this time12:01
willcookeAny thoughts on who I should speak to about the mess I've got my SSO in to?  I seem to have to accounts in one.ubuntu.com which are partly tied together partly not.12:01
didrocksLaney: however, the weather wasn't really great, but it could have been worse :p12:01
mvo__willcooke: ohhhh, welcome! nice to see you here12:01
willcookehey mvo__ nice to see you too :)12:01
didrockswillcooke: there is a channel for that, one sec12:01
=== MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch
mvo__didrocks: wasn't that #omgssoisbroken ?12:01
willcookeha!12:02
didrocksmvo__: I guess it's a double "omg" :p12:02
mvo__lol12:02
didrocksok, even if the rain took care of me and I'm wet, short shower time12:04
Trevinhoseb128, czajkowski: that libxpathselect.so.1.4 "error", is actually a warning... Since It's not needed unless you want to run ap on it, so it should not be fatal to the unity run12:07
Trevinhoczajkowski: can you try to install unity-dbgsym (and maybe even compiz debug symbols) and launch from tty1 unity --advanced-debug to get a gdb backtrace?12:09
didrocksok, I was lucky to run now… it would have been an epic fail otherwise :p12:15
seb128didrocks, did you avoid the shower and got it on the way back?12:16
* ogra_ guesses he forgot his shampoo ... 12:16
didrocksseb128: just a little bit of rain, but really nothing compared to what I see now12:18
didrocksogra_: yeah, I still didn't take your idea into account, sorry :p12:18
czajkowskiwell that's a little annoying, upgraded to Utopic but still no desktop on main account but again guest works.12:18
czajkowskiTrevinho: ello shall try your suggestion now12:18
seb128czajkowski, that was expected, no reason an upgrade would solve that bug12:25
czajkowskiseb128: I can hope can't I :)12:26
czajkowski2 days before I run a hackathon and leave for Munich :/12:26
seb128czajkowski, you can, but even if that was fixed in utopic, letting the bug in trusty is not nice to other users ;-)12:27
seb128czajkowski, well, I'm sure we are going to sort it out12:27
seb128czajkowski, did you try moving the .compiz directories I listed earlier btw?12:27
czajkowskiseb128: I did nothing made a difference.12:27
czajkowskijust boggling how it worked last night and not today which is what is confusing12:27
czajkowskianother reason to never shut my laptop down12:28
seb128do what Trevinho suggested I guess12:28
czajkowskiyup I am and working in pm now12:29
czajkowskicheers don't want to spam the entire channel with my crazy machine12:29
seb128czajkowski, Trevinho: please keep the channel updated as well12:29
seb128there is no other discussion ongoing and I'm interested in the details12:29
seb128so using the channel would be fine there12:29
bregmaTrevinho, would removing all the files from /etc/compizconfig/upgrades hurt in an attempt to fix czajkowski's problem?12:31
Trevinhobregma: they shouldn't change anything relevant in recent times I think12:35
Trevinhoseb128: I'm not sure wheather I read the full story, but has that been triggered by an update?12:37
seb128Trevinho, we don't know, and it's not happening in a guest session12:38
seb128Trevinho, czajkowski didn't restart for a while apparently, so not sure what updates happened between working and not working12:38
Trevinhomh I see12:39
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seb128kenvandine, hey13:18
kenvandinehey seb12813:18
seb128kenvandine, how are you?13:18
kenvandinegood, and you?13:18
seb128good, thanks13:19
seb128starting reviewing bacon2d13:19
seb128that's duplicated in the queue and the versions are slightly different13:19
kenvandinetake the most recent upload :)13:19
seb128is that normal?13:19
seb128that drops some qmldir qmltypes13:19
seb128is that normal?13:19
kenvandinesilly git-buildpackage13:19
seb128src/imports/Bacon2D/plugins.qmltypes13:20
kenvandineyeah13:20
kenvandinethose get created during the build13:20
kenvandinesrc/imports shouldn't even exist13:21
seb128k13:21
kenvandinei had some trouble with git-buildpackage, it thought it was a debian native even with the ubuntu revision13:21
seb128kenvandine, in debian/copyright13:23
seb128Files: 3rdparty/qml-box-2d/Box2D/*13:23
seb128the path is "box2d"13:23
seb128without the "-"13:23
seb128kenvandine, git-archive-all.sh is GPL313:26
kenvandinegrr... i so love debian/copyright13:27
kenvandine:-D13:27
seb128lol13:27
kenvandinethat script shouldn't even be in the dist :)13:27
kenvandineseb128, i'll make sure it isn't in the next one, but i'd rather not tag another release :)13:28
seb128kenvandine, none of that looks like a blocker, but...13:28
seb128kenvandine, I'm more annoyed at the one where the sources a LGPL2+ and the copyright states LGPL2.1 instead13:29
seb128./src/scene.h: LGPL (v2 or later)13:29
seb128./src/behavior.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)13:29
seb128./src/animationchangeevent.h: LGPL (v2 or later)13:29
seb128debian/copyright: License: LGPL-2.113:29
seb128kenvandine, you can do better than that Ken!13:30
kenvandinedamn... rookie mistake :)13:30
seb128kenvandine, otherwise looks good for NEW13:30
seb128I could approve it like that, I would prefer the LGPL mismatch to be fixed first though13:30
seb128if you don't want to reroll now but get it fixed this week I can let that one through13:30
kenvandinethere will be another release this week for sure13:31
* xnox imagines seb128 cooking - scrapping the dish after using a spoonful too much of ground cumin.13:31
seb128xnox, you british, don't speak about cooking!13:32
didrocksseb128: want to make will sad on his first day? :p13:32
seb128lol13:32
* xnox protects myself with a bottle of white vinegar and a tube of salt13:32
didrocks(even if I deeply agree, of course!)13:32
seb128kenvandine, ok, NEWed, it's because it's you!13:34
seb128kenvandine, next time I might be less nice on license version mismatches though :-p13:34
kenvandineseb128, i already pushed the debian/copyright fixes to the packaging branch :)13:35
kenvandinei need to propose a branch for the COPYING file change and get a review, etc13:35
kenvandineseb128, thx!13:36
willcookehey kenvandine13:36
kenvandineyo willcooke!13:36
willcooke'sup13:36
kenvandinewillcooke, wb! :-D13:36
willcookethanks, very happy to be here again13:36
willcookeI missed you kenvandine13:36
willcooke:)13:36
kenvandineyou've been missed!13:37
kenvandineand you're leading the best team!13:37
willcookeI know, right!  These guys are amazeballs.  I'm very excited to be back13:37
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seb128Trevinho, bregma, did you manage to help czajkowski with her issue?14:12
Trevinhoseb128: still ongonoing14:12
seb128k14:12
seb128do you have any clue what's wrong?14:12
Trevinhoseb128: not yet still, as we've not able to debug14:13
seb128k14:13
seb128Trevinho, do you know why she gets the debug mode enabled?14:13
seb128did you try turning it off to see?14:13
Trevinhoseb128: debug mode is enabled for everyone... unity always try to load that library...14:14
Trevinhoseb128: it won't just do anything if it's not there14:14
seb128Trevinho, no it doesn't14:14
seb128hum14:15
seb128Trevinho, ignore that, I've the lib installed, it might be why I don't get the warning14:15
seb128I got confused by that bug report earlier14:15
Trevinhoseb128: yes, but it's not something fatal... as I wrote the only reason why that was marked as an "error" is to make sure it was printed out14:15
seb128k14:16
TrevinhoI dint do that, iirc it has beeen always there14:16
seb128yeah, sorry about the confusion14:16
seb128I don't have the warning here, and we got a bug report this morning similar to czajkowski's one14:16
seb128which was mentioning the warning14:16
seb128so I sort of matched those mentally, wrongly it seems ;-)14:17
Trevinhoehe, np14:19
kenvandineseb128, i've proposed the COPYING and dist fix too, so next release should fix all your findings14:21
seb128kenvandine, thanks!14:21
czajkowskiseb128: Trevinho is being very patient14:21
kenvandineseb128, can haz binNEW? :-D14:21
seb128kenvandine, sure, give me a minute14:22
seb128czajkowski, no doubt, Trevinho is great ;-)14:22
kenvandineTrevinho rocks14:22
* Trevinho blueshes14:22
Trevinhoerr, blushes14:22
kenvandine:)14:22
Trevinhono, I actually become blue :D14:23
czajkowskime and compiz are just not going to see eye to eye today are we14:23
czajkowskilemmie reboot once again, also wish my history on my guest could be on :/14:23
seb128czajkowski, you can create a new user to have a persistent "guest"14:24
czajkowskiseb128: don't I need to be in the main account to do that14:24
seb128czajkowski, right, but nautilus is working, so you can go to /user/14:24
seb128/usr/bin and run unity-control-center14:25
seb128or from a command line14:25
seb128well, it might even work from a guest14:25
seb128but I'm unsure because of apparmor rules there14:25
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willcookeahhh - the wonderful conference call music15:32
didrocksyou missed it, I'm sure :)15:34
willcooke:D15:34
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willcookeseb128, didrocks - presumably there is a desktop mailing list, actually ignore, of course there is - I will Google15:50
seb128willcooke, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop15:50
didrocksseb128 beat me to it :)15:51
willcooke:) thanks guys15:51
* willcooke lazy15:51
seb128yw!15:51
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czajkowskiI have a working desktop thanks to Trevinho15:57
Trevinhojust a workaround for now. but indeed it's some setting fault15:57
seb128what was the issue?15:58
seb128Trevinho, we miss an unity --reset for those case15:58
seb128czajkowski, glad you got it back to working at least!15:58
Trevinhoseb128: mh, indeed... but we stll need to figure out what's the current problem15:58
seb128Trevinho, right15:59
willcookeseb128, do we have a wikipage or similar for listing things like this, like a workarounds/fixes page?15:59
willcookeis that even a good idea?15:59
Trevinhoseb128: I'm not brave enough to test, but is gsettings reset recoursive?15:59
seb128willcooke, we have askubuntu15:59
Trevinhoor can be?15:59
seb128Trevinho, gsettings reset-recursively is15:59
seb128willcooke, http://askubuntu.com/16:00
Trevinhoseb128: so apparently I'm also too lazy to trigger an --help :D16:00
Laneyyeah askubuntu tends to do quite well on google searches16:00
seb128Trevinho, lol, me too, I just did "gsettings res<TAB>"16:00
LaneyTrevinho: why bother when you have an interactive --help right here in your IRC window :-)16:01
seb128Trevinho, but I sort of remembered there was one such option16:01
seb128Laney, calling me interactive?!16:01
TrevinhoLaney: I love to bother people, time to time :D16:01
Laneywind seb128 up and watch him go!16:01
Trevinhoand seb128 is always a nice bot to interact with :D16:01
didrockswell, you are interecting :)16:01
seb1280_o16:02
seb128didrocks, not sure if you insulting me there or what :p16:02
seb128int-erecting?16:02
* seb128 eyes didrocks16:02
didrocksintera*cting16:02
seb128ooh ;-)16:03
czajkowskiLOL16:03
czajkowskisuch loons you lot are :)16:03
Laneyhahaha16:03
LaneyUbuntu After Dark16:03
seb128czajkowski, we are a lovely bunch, right? ;-)16:03
seb128I wonder if we are going to manage to scare willcooke on his first day here16:04
didrocksthere is still time!16:04
* willcooke packs his bags16:05
Laneyhazing16:05
didrocksahah16:05
Laneychug chug chug chug16:05
willcooke\o/16:05
Laneythere's a tradition of dancing on tables, btw16:05
didrocksoh right…16:05
didrocksfirst team dinner16:05
didrocksbe prepared will!16:05
willcookehaha!  I look forward to it16:06
didrocksjason setup that tradition, you have to be up to the standard now :p16:06
willcookeSure thing16:06
willcookeAnd I have to wear the chicken suit as well I expect?16:06
didrocksyou can add some variation of this new tradition yourself if you really wish… ;)16:07
willcookehorse head masks16:07
willcookeso, back on this Ask Ubuntu thing16:07
willcookeSo, UA is a great platform16:07
willcookeespecially when people are googling for errors16:08
willcookebut16:08
willcookethat requires, say, czajkowski to open an AU  question16:08
willcookeand then one of us to answer it16:08
willcookeWould it be less effort if we (i.e. me) just jotted down some quick workarounds on a wiki page (or whatever)16:09
willcookeFeel free to say "thats a stupid idea" btw16:09
willcookejust thinking out loud16:09
didrocksI do think that have the question on askubuntu enables it to be more up to date and being care of than a wiki page which quickly deprecates IMHO16:10
didrockslike, if you type "empty desktop" or "no unity launcher", you end up with: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears16:10
didrocksthe second answer was the famous unity --reset16:11
didrocks(up to 12.10)16:11
didrocksand the first answer is the current recommended way as we don't have --reset reimplemented16:11
didrockswe can improve that answer with the gsettings reset maybe though16:12
willcookeah - perfect16:12
willcookeif someone tells me what to write I can update it16:12
didrockswillcooke: actually, I would rather upvote the 3rd answer16:13
willcookeeven better16:13
willcooke\o/16:13
didrocksthe dconf reset blablabla16:13
czajkowskican I start a campaign to bring back unity --reset after today16:13
didrocksczajkowski: I didn't reimplement it at the time because of a possible race16:14
didrockswhen we switch from gconf to gsettings16:14
didrocksI guess we can have that back now with an upstart job I would say16:14
didrocksto avoid that race16:14
czajkowskiwell that settles that then, no beer for didrocks16:14
didrocks:p16:15
didrocksI'm not officially working on that anymore and was going to propose my help, but me ;)16:15
Laneywhen did that migration happen?16:15
didrocksmeh*16:15
didrocksLaney: 13.0416:15
didrocksbregma: does your team have that on your list? ^16:15
Laneydoesn't sound like there will be a race now then16:16
Laneyupstart job sounds like a slightly weird way to do it16:16
didrocksLaney: yeah, clearly not, also unity/compiz is way more stable16:16
didrocks--reset was really a workaround16:16
didrockslike "loose all your config"16:16
Laneyanyway it doesn't sound like we really even understand what happened this time16:16
didrocksLaney: we had 2 gsettings and dconf daemon starting at the same time16:16
didrockswhich was creating a deadlock16:16
Laneywhat, today's problem?16:17
didrocksask duflu as well, he has good memories of that16:17
didrocksLaney: I think nobody retried16:17
Laneyaha, was referring to czajkowski's issue16:17
didrocksI just retried I was going on holidays when they started and at 3am I was still trying to understand how to diminish the problem :p16:17
didrocksah no16:17
didrocksTrevinho: what's czajkowski specific issue? any leads? ^16:17
didrocksLaney: but yeah, was fun time, I remember clearly: Friday evening, closing laptop at 6pm16:18
didrocksat 11pm, just before going to bed and on holidays for good "let's check emails"16:19
didrocksstarting the laptop… "no unity" :p16:19
Laneyhaha16:19
didrocks(it was when we still did Friday releases :p)16:19
Laneyand IRC was full of people panicking, right?16:20
didrocksyeah16:20
didrocksgot this race 3 times on 4 approx16:21
didrockson boot16:21
didrocksof course, we didn't get it while releasing…16:21
willcookeseb128, are you still working?16:23
willcookeseb128, i.e. I have a question, but it can wait16:23
seb128willcooke, yes16:24
willcookeseb128, so rickspencer3 dropped in to conversation that we've got a point release going out on Thursday :)16:25
seb128willcooke, usual rule "it's IRC, you can ask, you might get a delay reply or need to ask again later"16:25
willcookeseb128, ack16:25
rickspencer3*cough*16:25
willcookeseb128, so what I want to know is... what do you need?16:25
seb128yeah, we were discussing that a few days ago16:25
ogra_more time :)16:25
willcookeexcept that16:25
seb128discussing as mentioning "weird that nothing happened from the release team yet"16:25
seb128like blocking SRUs, flushing the queue, etc16:25
rickspencer3seb128, slangasek pinged me Friday16:25
rickspencer3so, there was a little form them ;)16:26
seb128what did he say?16:27
seb128willcooke, well, not sure I need much, but knowing what's the plan would be good, I sort of assumed that would happen once the release team would start looking at doing the .116:27
seb128which apparently didn't happen yet (for whatever reason)16:27
seb128it's likely going to be delayed16:27
willcookeseb128, kk - I will have a chat with them asap16:28
seb128willcooke, k, not sure we need to push anything there16:28
willcookeseb128, understood - easy does it16:29
seb128I assume that if they didn't act on it it's because people are on holidays or busy with other things16:29
willcookein other news:  tooooo hot.16:29
seb128we should still communicate about the delay16:29
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willcookeseb128, communicate to the release team, or more outwardly?16:32
bregmadidrocks, is there a reference bug we can use to make sure it gets on our list?16:32
seb128willcooke, the "we" was Ubuntu/the release team16:33
willcookeseb128, gotya16:33
LaneyI'm pinging in #ubuntu-release now16:33
willcookethanks Laney16:33
* willcooke joins #ubuntu-release16:34
didrocksbregma: czajkowski will open one (there is none, just checked) to reintroduce it if she wants it so badly (but again, it's a workaround, I hope Trevinho and her can work on the actual issue to really fix it)16:34
czajkowskididrocks: tis fine we'll fix it16:34
czajkowskiwas mostly just been a long day fixing this16:34
didrocksyeah, and if you got this issue, I bet some other people will have that :)16:35
bregmaczajkowski, do you have a cause and a fix now?  I missed anything about that here16:35
* bregma is recovering from attending a week-long scout jamboree16:36
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LaneySounds like the point release is on track and is just fairly low key16:45
seb128k16:46
seb128well "on track"16:46
seb128don't they flush proposed/get candidate image a week before usually?16:46
willcookeyeah, sounds like it's pretty much "business as usual"16:46
Laneyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess16:46
willcookehrm - that business as usual remark was directed at Laney's "sounds like the point release is on track"16:47
willcookejust in case16:47
willcooke:)16:47
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Laneynight!17:09
willcookel8r Laney17:10
Laneycccccccccclimbing time17:10
willcookeI'm going EOD as well.  Canonical folk - sorry I didnt get to speak to you all personally today, I'll get to it this week.  I'm in the office tomorrow so let me know if there is anything you need from folks there17:11
willcookeI'll be travelling from about 9am to 10am tomorrow, but will be around before and after of course17:12
didrocksgood night Laney!17:12
didrockstalk to you tomorrow willcooke, enjoy your evening :)17:13
attenteseb128: sorry, i forgot to check up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1208019, is it too late for the point release?17:22
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seb128attente, not sure, best is to just go ahead with the SRU, if it's not in the iso it's still going to be in the available updates17:46
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sarnoldTrevinho: seen this one yet? :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/134550518:35
Trevinhosarnold: mh sort of... Not properly identified that yet though18:40
sarnoldTrevinho: no kidding, I'm impressed how many you've diagnosed so far with less information :)18:41
Trevinhosarnold: well there are a lot of cases to handle, and at the end we figured most, but still there are some holes to cover18:48
sarnoldTrevinho: *nod*18:50
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