[04:57] Laney: OOI, what was "-k"? [04:57] Laney: oh, you mean run-adt-test -k [04:58] Good morning [06:13] morning [06:19] hey didrocks, good morning [06:19] hey mvo_! how was your week-end? [06:19] didrocks: quiet but nice otherwise [06:21] didrocks: and yours? [06:22] mvo_: was nice! went to Angers (Nord West) of France for a wedding in Julie's family [06:22] we took the occasion to visite on of the castle there [06:22] didrocks: nice! thats sounds like lots of fun [06:22] had to rent a car, quite a little bit of driving, but it was nice :) [06:22] yeah [06:23] good morning desktopers [06:23] hey didrocks pitti mvo_ [06:23] morning seb128! [06:23] bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ? [06:23] hey seb128, good morning [06:24] hey mvo_ [06:24] hey pitti, guten morgen ! [06:24] pitti, ça va bien, et toi ? [06:24] bon w.e ? [06:24] oui, bon w.e. long à Dresden [06:24] hey pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you ? [06:25] taking Friday off -> one gets the punishment on Monday :) [06:25] pitti, same here ;-) [06:26] well Dresden -> Den Haag for me [06:34] seb128: ah, pour tourisme, ou as-tu de familie là ? [06:34] pitti, j'ai une amie qui habite là, je lui rends visite [06:34] on a eu du beau temps, samedi il faisait 30°C on a fait du vélo et on s'est baignés à la plage sur le chemin [06:35] très bien; aimes-tu Den Haag ? Je ne le connais pas [06:35] oui, c'est une jolie ville [06:35] hey seb128, didrocks, pitti [06:36] morning darkxst! [06:36] darkxst, hey [06:36] pitti, on a visité Amsterdam également vendredi [06:36] didrocks, I setup tracker unit tests as autopkgtests, however quite a few of the functional tests seem broken [06:36] seb128: ah, nous seulement avons eu un pool, mais c'était très bien, il faisait 34 °C.. [06:37] pitti, trop chaud ! [06:37] pitti, piscine donc ? [06:37] darkxst: did you open/check with upstream on why they are broken? Do they run them regularly or is it an environment/setup issue? [06:38] seb128: oui, les voisins de mes parents ont un piscin [06:38] "une piscine" [06:39] seb128: mais pendant les soirs et les nuits il faisait très bien [06:39] didrocks, well they are disabled by default, and there are some build system issues with them not installing properly [06:39] pitti, ok [06:39] seb128: so we mostly stayed inside on Saturday afternoon and had a nice walk and visited the fair on Saturday night [06:39] but I still need to check with upstream, sometimes hard to catch the relevant people on IRC with my timezone! [06:40] darkxst: argh, care sending/poking upstream about that? Seems a nice way to contribute yeah :) [06:40] darkxst: let's keep me posted :) [06:41] didrocks, will do [06:49] How can Unity7 *still* have stacking bugs where it draws everything underneath all the windows? [07:01] RAOF, compiz and stacking... ;-) [07:02] (I won't mention the stacking issues that jibel reported on Mir though :p) [07:03] Stacking of applications being wrong is stupid, but understandable. [07:03] There's no excuse for the alt-tab switcher or dash being below other windows. [07:03] They don't *need* to stack! [07:03] They're never anything but on top! [07:04] RAOF: btw, I confirm on the alt-tab switcher being behind [07:04] I had it on Friday as well [07:04] not sure how to trigger it though [07:05] RAOF, that used to be true [07:06] Oh, lock screen. [07:06] RAOF, until they made the lockscreen part of unity, and had bugs where alt-tab was showing over it [07:06] yes... [07:07] lockscreens under X = no fun [07:08] Yeah, we really should just switch VT. [07:08] Or, you know, have a system compositor :) [07:08] sounds like something we should do indeed ;-) [07:18] Is ddebs.ubuntu.com connected to the Internet via wet string? It should really push better than 90KB/sec [08:03] hey hey [08:04] good morning Laney, how was your week-end? [08:04] morning desktopers [08:05] hey willcooke! good morning and welcome back :) [08:05] \o/ [08:05] just getting my accounts set up etc [08:06] yeah, nothing really changed infrastructure-wise, so I guess you will be quickly setup :) [08:06] Yeah, should be easy. [08:07] Actually - job #1 - set up a new Chromium profile [08:07] didrocks: yeah, very good thanks - climbing, visiting baby, climbing, bbq, board games ;-) [08:07] you? [08:08] hey willcooke [08:08] hi Laney! [08:08] Good to meet you [08:08] willcooke: hello! =) [08:08] and you :-) [08:08] hey xnox :D [08:08] hey Laney willcooke xnox [08:08] howdy seb128 xnox [08:08] willcooke: yeah, multiple chromium profile is a must if you don't want to become crazy in google account switching :p [08:08] good weekends? [08:09] willcooke: i haven't met you, but i've heard good things about you already =)))) [08:09] seb128 Howdy! [08:09] * Laney has no multiple profile business [08:09] didrocks, multiple browsers [08:09] Laney: oh nice! I went to the north west of France for a wedding and used that opportunity to visit on of the numerous castle there [08:09] must be missing out on some browsing utopia [08:09] seb128: pffff, that's weak ;) [08:09] * seb128 uses firefox for work and chromium for !work [08:09] I just use the multi login google stuff [08:09] seb128: is there any other browser than chrom*? [08:09] xnox, ha! Reserve judgement ;) [08:09] * didrocks looks at the calendar, oh not friday, sorry [08:09] kthxbye :) [08:10] but then again I have no gmail and never make gdocs, soooooo [08:10] didrocks, yeah, w3m, what else do you want to use? [08:10] right right :p [08:10] but ja, not friday yet! [08:10] I can share my custom set of scripts wrapping nc [08:10] even if I could do with another w.e ;-) [08:10] they are EXTREMELY extensible! [08:10] seb128: "ja" -> getting used to Strasbourg already? :) [08:11] lol [08:11] Laney: yeah… I believe you… but… no thanks :) [08:11] oh and they're email driven [08:11] /nick rms [08:11] heh [08:12] u-s-s is a bit crazy recently [08:12] * seb128 starts doing some reviews [08:13] seb128: not sure how to understand your test plan became "green" in the email, but the color is still yellow and progress is red [08:13] or system app isn't system settings? [08:14] ?! [08:14] and the core apps? [08:14] Laney: some weekly QA report [08:14] didrocks, oh, I stopped reading those emails ... the test plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings got quite some work, thanks to brendan [08:15] (just saw that, thanks for pointing it) [08:15] yeah nobody acked my top quality test fix work yet, that's why ;-) [08:15] seb128: so, I guess it was related to u-s-s, but not reflected at all in the tabular [08:15] could be yeah [08:15] system app is a confusing name anyway :p [08:15] that testplan is crazy [08:15] * didrocks looks [08:15] like you have 3 pages of tests to go through [08:16] ahah, and they are empty sections still! [08:16] yeah ... [08:16] turns out settings is quite some work/doing quite some things [08:16] aloha [08:16] morning czajkowski [08:16] hey czajkowski, how are you? [08:17] seb128: unbelievable ;) [08:17] well I was fine till I had to log in under my guest account to get my desktop this morning under Trusty :/ [08:17] urg [08:17] what happened to your normal account? [08:18] I don't know :( [08:18] it was working last night [08:18] what happened when you try to log in there? [08:19] https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/1 [08:19] hi czajkowski [08:19] is all I see when I log in [08:19] willcooke: welcome back sunshine! [08:19] \o/ [08:19] czajkowski, :D I know which side my bread is buttered [08:19] [08:19] or rather, British [08:20] heh [08:20] seb128: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/1 [08:21] guest account works [08:21] czajkowski, try running "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" for your user [08:22] seb128: under guest or main account ? [08:22] czajkowski, the main one [08:22] czajkowski, you can use nautilus to browse to /usr/bin and start things if needed [08:22] ok shall go and attempt that :) [08:22] cheers [08:22] like a command line [08:22] or try keybindings [08:22] (ctrl + alt + T to try to open it from command line) [08:22] depends if u-s-d is running [08:22] hoping that compiz is running [08:22] yep [08:23] but my guess is that the unity plugin got unloaded for some reason [08:23] lemie reboot nad seee [08:27] nope :( [08:27] could be the day I upgrade to U I guess [08:27] * ogra_ hands willcooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYcGPF00l0 ... for his buttered bread [08:27] (and welcome back !!!) [08:27] czajkowski, can you share your .cache/upstart/gnome-session-Unity.log ? [08:29] ogra_, ha! Love it [08:30] seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7829147/ [08:32] morning everyone [08:32] hey ochosi [08:33] hey seb128, still enjoying your holidays or back sweating for the man? [08:33] morning ochosi [08:33] ochosi, back to work, dealing with backlogs ;-) [08:33] there's no way you would see seb128 if he was on holiday [08:33] :P [08:34] he'd be on the beach drinking cocktails out of a pineapple [08:34] and rightly so! :) [08:34] hehe [08:34] ah, the alcohol issue… [08:34] we told we won't mention it again :p [08:34] * ochosi wants to live where seb128 lives if they serve cocktails in pineapples there... [08:34] lol [08:35] didrocks, you are the one assuming that cocktails with pineapple have to include alcohol! [08:35] argh, caught :p [08:35] ;-) [08:36] * seb128 doesn't drink alcohol [08:36] only beer, wine and schnaps [08:36] which isn't alcol [08:36] alcohol* [08:36] by german standards :p [08:36] correct [08:36] well, german or french [08:36] depending of the day/drink ;-) [08:36] you speak for the french :) [08:37] which isn't really true ;) [08:39] czajkowski, hum [08:40] czajkowski, you log has the same error than https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1345296 [08:40] "ERROR 2014-07-21 09:15:46 unity.debug.interface DebugDBusInterface.cpp:216 Unable to load entry point in libxpathselect: libxpathselect.so.1.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory" [08:40] not sure why you get that [08:41] that library is not installed by default/unity shouldn't require it to run [08:41] Trevinho, ^ do you know about that? [08:43] seb128: still weird it's working on her guest session though [08:43] yes [08:44] some config is triggering that requirement [08:44] yup welcome to my weirdness [08:44] and a odd start to a monday :) [08:44] it's like some option/extra plugin got activated [08:44] right ;) [08:44] czajkowski, did you tweak your config in any way yesterday? what did you upgrade? (dpkg.log can tell you) [08:44] the calls are in unity-shared/DebugDBusInterface.cpp [08:53] seb128: nope nothing [08:53] booted it up last night and read mail and logged off [08:53] weird :/ [08:55] seb128: yup any idea how I can fix it before I leave for Germany tomorrow [09:01] .c [09:02] czajkowski, having a reply from Trevinho or bregma would be useful... [09:04] czajkowski, you can try to unity --reset but I'm not sure that's still a thing/working [09:05] cant hurt either [09:05] czajkowski, you can probably try to move somewhere ~/.compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-1 [09:06] keep those maybe for debugging in case [09:06] seb128: reset doesn't exist anymore [09:07] didrocks, right, what I though :-/ [09:07] nobody changed it since I deprecated it [09:09] didrocks, is 0replaceme working in maintscripts? i.e https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/rm_conffile/+merge/227513 [09:09] seb128: no, it doesn't, it could easily though [09:10] Laney, ^ [09:10] sil2100: mind if I change this in cu2d and then you deploy it? ^ [09:10] bah my guest account doesn't keep any histroy :/ [09:10] * didrocks can do that in few secs [09:10] wait [09:10] robru fixed it to do that the other day [09:11] oh [09:11] yeah, I'm looking at the code and he changed that to everywhere [09:11] which can create issues with comments though… [09:11] well, shrugh… [09:12] everywhere in debian/? [09:12] Laney: yeah [09:12] guess we'll see if there are problems in practice and can restrict then [09:12] and the function is still name as refresh_symbol_files() [09:12] Laney: some people used that in comments [09:12] didrocks: no problem ;) [09:12] didrocks: cupstream2distro trunk should be safe currently [09:14] at least, cjwatson added tests [09:15] sil2100: the approved approach is really risky btw [09:15] sil2100: you don't check the revision which is approved [09:16] so, if you really want to force approved version, you should check that ids used to be built and the approved rev are the same [09:17] Laney, the update branch still has unhappy CI :-/ [09:17] which? [09:17] https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/system-update-dbus-last-updated/+merge/227322 [09:17] or is that because it needs your fix stack on top of it? [09:17] that doesn't have the fixes merged in [09:18] I think dbus-ap-cleanup prereqs on that one and is happy [09:18] indeed is [09:19] it's had three CI runs now so I'm kind of hopeful [09:19] right [09:26] * Laney is bisecting glib [09:26] didrocks: ACK, will consider that [09:30] Laney, what did desrt do? [09:30] https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-shotwell/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console [09:32] bisect says https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=49b59e5ac4428a6a99a85d699c3662f96efc4e9d [09:32] seb128: are you guys working on system image support for x86? [09:36] asac, no, desktop has nothing to do with system images so far (out of being included in the discussions in Malta) [09:36] that would rather be a topic for foundations / mvo [09:36] or barry [09:36] yeah. was just curious [09:36] because of the merge [09:36] but guess system-update != system-image-update [09:40] hm, have any of you an idea how the soundmenu manages to forward the mouse-grab from the menuitem to the gtkscale? somehow that doesn't seem to work if i put a scale into a menuitem normally and i couldn't find any special code for that in indicator-sound [09:40] ochosi, ido is having the special widgets [09:40] larsu can probably help you a bit better than me there though [09:43] ochosi: I think we have a gtk patch for that (not sure, didn't write that) [09:43] I've been meaning to check wheter we still need it though [09:43] ah, that'd be interesting to know! [09:43] didn't realize i would have to look for that in ido :) [09:44] ochosi: right, idorangemenuitem.c [09:44] ochosi: ugh sorry. idorange.c is the gtkscale subclass and idoscalemenuitem.c is the menu item [09:45] the menu item does override all kinds of events, maybe it's enough to just do that [09:45] humm, no 12.04 branch anymore [09:45] * ochosi wants to implement that in gtk2 [09:46] I think it was in the sound indicator back then [09:46] (before we did the split) [09:46] oh [09:46] do you by any chance remember whether those things changed a lot from gtk2 to gtk3? [09:47] no, sorry [09:47] ok, no worries [09:47] i'll look around and poke you again if i feel lost :p [09:47] the menu code in general didn't change that much iirc [09:47] so your chances are good [09:48] sure! === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [10:27] seb128: think it's safe to upgrade to U given my current morning dekstop issue ? [10:30] czajkowski, yes [10:30] not sure U is going to solve that though [10:30] but you can still upgrade [10:30] * didrocks is making a temptative run outside :p [10:30] could be worse this could have happened on wednesday when I need a working machine for an event at least I've a few days to fix the issue [10:31] didrocks, good luck and enjoy! [10:31] czajkowski, the unity guys should be online at some point and able to help you I guess [10:32] seb128: nods who should I look out for ? [10:37] czajkowski, bregma Trevinho townsend [10:38] cheers [10:43] time for lunch here, be back in an hour [10:45] hmm a new stable gstreamer [11:10] seb128, Laney, didrocks, etc... [11:11] does everyone remember willcooke ?> [11:11] o/ [11:11] * willcooke waves [11:11] I'm too fresh and innocent [11:11] Laney, that won't last [11:11] lol [11:12] actually I lived through Jason so I'm not sure that can be true :P [11:12] ha [11:12] Laney, et al as of today, willcooke is the engineering manager for the desktop team [11:12] high five [11:12] :) [11:13] I'll get a 1:1 meeting with you guys set up in the next day or so [11:13] Laney, meanwhile, what do you think willcooke should focus on first? [11:13] I'd like to introduce myself and get a good view on what our process looks like, where our backlog is etc. [11:14] willcooke, I can say that their interim manager has not been too helpful [11:14] :D [11:15] the only thing I did right was find a good replacement for jasoncwarner ;) [11:16] ha [11:16] you helped us arrange $upcoming_trips [11:16] willcooke, did you get any time off between your last job and this one? [11:16] a couple of days, enough to get a round of golf in [11:16] aaaaaaand took us for steak and I'm sure many other things that I didn't see :P [11:16] :) [11:17] "took us for steak" [11:17] lol [11:17] things to focus on, I expect $upcoming_trip[1] is going to need some attention [11:18] Laney, I got you started on the Unity 8/Mir desktop preivew [11:18] that's my claim to fame desktop team wise [11:18] haha, yes! [11:18] of course, it was all seb128's idea [11:18] byt [11:18] * rickspencer3 shrugs [11:18] :) [11:19] Regarding $trip - I'll know more details for my flights etc in the next couple of days. Then I will get an itinerary together (although it sounds like that is mostly done) [11:21] Ya, it's coming together - they're asking for people to 'own' sessions [11:21] that kind of prep [11:21] Laney, could you forward me any relevant emails from the last few weeks regarding sessions etc? [11:21] or point me to a wiki page where everything is documented. [11:21] jk [11:22] ;p [11:22] I just know of one document [11:22] here you go ....... [11:56] having all sorts of SSO issues [11:56] :( [11:57] I'm moderately wet, so, I will call my exercise a moderate success :) [11:59] fell in the lake? [11:59] willcooke: yeah, as told already, happy to have you there (this rick guy was soooo awful, I'm happy he never had been an ubuntu desktop manager ever never ever :p) [12:00] :D [12:00] he always took bad decision like hiring me at the time and such :p [12:01] Laney: avoided the lake, and not falling this time [12:01] Any thoughts on who I should speak to about the mess I've got my SSO in to? I seem to have to accounts in one.ubuntu.com which are partly tied together partly not. [12:01] Laney: however, the weather wasn't really great, but it could have been worse :p [12:01] willcooke: ohhhh, welcome! nice to see you here [12:01] hey mvo__ nice to see you too :) [12:01] willcooke: there is a channel for that, one sec === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:01] didrocks: wasn't that #omgssoisbroken ? [12:02] ha! [12:02] mvo__: I guess it's a double "omg" :p [12:02] lol [12:04] ok, even if the rain took care of me and I'm wet, short shower time [12:07] seb128, czajkowski: that libxpathselect.so.1.4 "error", is actually a warning... Since It's not needed unless you want to run ap on it, so it should not be fatal to the unity run [12:09] czajkowski: can you try to install unity-dbgsym (and maybe even compiz debug symbols) and launch from tty1 unity --advanced-debug to get a gdb backtrace? [12:15] ok, I was lucky to run now… it would have been an epic fail otherwise :p [12:16] didrocks, did you avoid the shower and got it on the way back? [12:16] * ogra_ guesses he forgot his shampoo ... [12:18] seb128: just a little bit of rain, but really nothing compared to what I see now [12:18] ogra_: yeah, I still didn't take your idea into account, sorry :p [12:18] well that's a little annoying, upgraded to Utopic but still no desktop on main account but again guest works. [12:18] Trevinho: ello shall try your suggestion now [12:25] czajkowski, that was expected, no reason an upgrade would solve that bug [12:26] seb128: I can hope can't I :) [12:26] 2 days before I run a hackathon and leave for Munich :/ [12:27] czajkowski, you can, but even if that was fixed in utopic, letting the bug in trusty is not nice to other users ;-) [12:27] czajkowski, well, I'm sure we are going to sort it out [12:27] czajkowski, did you try moving the .compiz directories I listed earlier btw? [12:27] seb128: I did nothing made a difference. [12:27] just boggling how it worked last night and not today which is what is confusing [12:28] another reason to never shut my laptop down [12:28] do what Trevinho suggested I guess [12:29] yup I am and working in pm now [12:29] cheers don't want to spam the entire channel with my crazy machine [12:29] czajkowski, Trevinho: please keep the channel updated as well [12:29] there is no other discussion ongoing and I'm interested in the details [12:29] so using the channel would be fine there [12:31] Trevinho, would removing all the files from /etc/compizconfig/upgrades hurt in an attempt to fix czajkowski's problem? [12:35] bregma: they shouldn't change anything relevant in recent times I think [12:37] seb128: I'm not sure wheather I read the full story, but has that been triggered by an update? [12:38] Trevinho, we don't know, and it's not happening in a guest session [12:38] Trevinho, czajkowski didn't restart for a while apparently, so not sure what updates happened between working and not working [12:39] mh I see === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:18] kenvandine, hey [13:18] hey seb128 [13:18] kenvandine, how are you? [13:18] good, and you? [13:19] good, thanks [13:19] starting reviewing bacon2d [13:19] that's duplicated in the queue and the versions are slightly different [13:19] take the most recent upload :) [13:19] is that normal? [13:19] that drops some qmldir qmltypes [13:19] is that normal? [13:19] silly git-buildpackage [13:20]