[04:57] <pitti> Laney: OOI, what was "-k"?
[04:57] <pitti> Laney: oh, you mean run-adt-test -k
[04:58] <pitti> Good morning
[06:13] <didrocks> morning
[06:19] <mvo_> hey didrocks, good morning
[06:19] <didrocks> hey mvo_! how was your week-end?
[06:19] <mvo_> didrocks: quiet but nice otherwise
[06:21] <mvo_> didrocks: and yours?
[06:22] <didrocks> mvo_: was nice! went to Angers (Nord West) of France for a wedding in Julie's family
[06:22] <didrocks> we took the occasion to visite on of the castle there
[06:22] <mvo_> didrocks: nice! thats sounds like lots of fun
[06:22] <didrocks> had to rent a car, quite a little bit of driving, but it was nice :)
[06:22] <didrocks> yeah
[06:23] <seb128> good morning desktopers
[06:23] <seb128> hey didrocks pitti mvo_
[06:23] <didrocks> morning seb128!
[06:23] <pitti> bonjour seb128 et didrocks, comment allez-vous ?
[06:23] <mvo_> hey seb128, good morning
[06:24] <pitti> hey mvo_
[06:24] <mvo_> hey pitti, guten morgen !
[06:24] <seb128> pitti, ça va bien, et toi ?
[06:24] <seb128> bon w.e ?
[06:24] <pitti> oui, bon w.e. long à Dresden
[06:24] <didrocks> hey pitti! I'm great, thanks, and you ?
[06:25] <pitti> taking Friday off -> one gets the punishment on Monday :)
[06:25] <seb128> pitti, same here ;-)
[06:26] <seb128> well Dresden -> Den Haag for me
[06:34] <pitti> seb128: ah, pour tourisme, ou as-tu de familie là ?
[06:34] <seb128> pitti, j'ai une amie qui habite là, je lui rends visite
[06:34] <seb128> on a eu du beau temps, samedi il faisait 30°C on a fait du vélo et on s'est baignés à la plage sur le chemin
[06:35] <pitti> très bien; aimes-tu Den Haag ? Je ne le connais pas
[06:35] <seb128> oui, c'est une jolie ville
[06:35] <darkxst> hey seb128, didrocks, pitti
[06:36] <didrocks> morning darkxst!
[06:36] <seb128> darkxst, hey
[06:36] <seb128> pitti, on a visité Amsterdam également vendredi
[06:36] <darkxst> didrocks, I setup tracker unit tests as autopkgtests, however quite a few of the functional tests seem broken
[06:36] <pitti> seb128: ah, nous seulement avons eu un pool, mais c'était très bien, il faisait 34 °C..
[06:37] <seb128> pitti, trop chaud !
[06:37] <seb128> pitti, piscine donc ?
[06:37] <didrocks> darkxst: did you open/check with upstream on why they are broken? Do they run them regularly or is it an environment/setup issue?
[06:38] <pitti> seb128: oui, les voisins de mes parents ont un piscin
[06:38] <pitti> "une piscine"
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: mais pendant les soirs et les nuits il faisait très bien
[06:39] <darkxst> didrocks, well they are disabled by default, and there are some build system issues with them not installing properly
[06:39] <seb128> pitti, ok
[06:39] <pitti> seb128: so we mostly stayed inside on Saturday afternoon and had a nice walk and visited the fair on Saturday night
[06:39] <darkxst> but I still need to check with upstream, sometimes hard to catch the relevant people on IRC with my timezone!
[06:40] <didrocks> darkxst: argh, care sending/poking upstream about that? Seems a nice way to contribute yeah :)
[06:40] <didrocks> darkxst: let's keep me posted :)
[06:41] <darkxst> didrocks, will do
[06:49] <RAOF> How can Unity7 *still* have stacking bugs where it draws everything underneath all the windows?
[07:01] <seb128> RAOF, compiz and stacking... ;-)
[07:02] <didrocks> (I won't mention the stacking issues that jibel reported on Mir though :p)
[07:03] <RAOF> Stacking of applications being wrong is stupid, but understandable.
[07:03] <RAOF> There's no excuse for the alt-tab switcher or dash being below other windows.
[07:03] <RAOF> They don't *need* to stack!
[07:03] <RAOF> They're never anything but on top!
[07:04] <didrocks> RAOF: btw, I confirm on the alt-tab switcher being behind
[07:04] <didrocks> I had it on Friday as well
[07:04] <didrocks> not sure how to trigger it though
[07:05] <seb128> RAOF, that used to be true
[07:06] <RAOF> Oh, lock screen.
[07:06] <seb128> RAOF, until they made the lockscreen part of unity, and had bugs where alt-tab was showing over it
[07:06] <seb128> yes...
[07:07] <seb128> lockscreens under X = no fun
[07:08] <RAOF> Yeah, we really should just switch VT.
[07:08] <RAOF> Or, you know, have a system compositor :)
[07:08] <seb128> sounds like something we should do indeed ;-)
[07:18] <RAOF> Is ddebs.ubuntu.com connected to the Internet via wet string? It should really push better than 90KB/sec
[08:03] <Laney> hey hey
[08:04] <didrocks> good morning Laney, how was your week-end?
[08:04] <willcooke> morning desktopers
[08:05] <didrocks> hey willcooke! good morning and welcome back :)
[08:05] <willcooke> \o/
[08:05] <willcooke> just getting my accounts set up etc
[08:06] <didrocks> yeah, nothing really changed infrastructure-wise, so I guess you will be quickly setup :)
[08:06] <willcooke> Yeah, should be easy.
[08:07] <willcooke> Actually - job #1 - set up a new Chromium profile
[08:07] <Laney> didrocks: yeah, very good thanks - climbing, visiting baby, climbing, bbq, board games ;-)
[08:07] <Laney> you?
[08:08] <Laney> hey willcooke
[08:08] <willcooke> hi Laney!
[08:08] <willcooke> Good to meet you
[08:08] <xnox> willcooke: hello! =)
[08:08] <Laney> and you :-)
[08:08] <willcooke> hey xnox :D
[08:08] <seb128> hey Laney willcooke xnox
[08:08] <Laney> howdy seb128 xnox
[08:08] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, multiple chromium profile is a must if you don't want to become crazy in google account switching :p
[08:08] <Laney> good weekends?
[08:09] <xnox> willcooke: i haven't met you, but i've heard good things about you already =))))
[08:09] <willcooke> seb128 Howdy!
[08:09]  * Laney has no multiple profile business
[08:09] <seb128> didrocks, multiple browsers
[08:09] <didrocks> Laney: oh nice! I went to the north west of France for a wedding and used that opportunity to visit on of the numerous castle there
[08:09] <Laney> must be missing out on some browsing utopia
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: pffff, that's weak ;)
[08:09]  * seb128 uses firefox for work and chromium for !work
[08:09] <Laney> I just use the multi login google stuff
[08:09] <didrocks> seb128: is there any other browser than chrom*?
[08:09] <willcooke> xnox, ha!  Reserve judgement ;)
[08:09]  * didrocks looks at the calendar, oh not friday, sorry
[08:09] <didrocks> kthxbye :)
[08:10] <Laney> but then again I have no gmail and never make gdocs, soooooo
[08:10] <seb128> didrocks, yeah, w3m, what else do you want to use?
[08:10] <didrocks> right right :p
[08:10] <seb128> but ja, not friday yet!
[08:10] <Laney> I can share my custom set of scripts wrapping nc
[08:10] <seb128> even if I could do with another w.e ;-)
[08:10] <Laney> they are EXTREMELY extensible!
[08:10] <didrocks> seb128: "ja" -> getting used to Strasbourg already? :)
[08:11] <seb128> lol
[08:11] <didrocks> Laney: yeah… I believe you… but… no thanks :)
[08:11] <Laney> oh and they're email driven
[08:11] <Laney> /nick rms
[08:11] <didrocks> heh
[08:12] <seb128> u-s-s is a bit crazy recently
[08:12]  * seb128 starts doing some reviews
[08:13] <didrocks> seb128: not sure how to understand your test plan became "green" in the email, but the color is still yellow and progress is red
[08:13] <didrocks> or system app isn't system settings?
[08:14] <Laney> ?!
[08:14] <didrocks> and the core apps?
[08:14] <didrocks> Laney: some weekly QA report
[08:14] <seb128> didrocks, oh, I stopped reading those emails ... the test plan on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Process/Merges/TestPlan/ubuntu-system-settings got quite some work, thanks to brendan
[08:15] <seb128> (just saw that, thanks for pointing it)
[08:15] <Laney> yeah nobody acked my top quality test fix work yet, that's why ;-)
[08:15] <didrocks> seb128: so, I guess it was related to u-s-s, but not reflected at all in the tabular
[08:15] <seb128> could be yeah
[08:15] <didrocks> system app is a confusing name anyway :p
[08:15] <seb128> that testplan is crazy
[08:15]  * didrocks looks
[08:15] <seb128> like you have 3 pages of tests to go through
[08:16] <didrocks> ahah, and they are empty sections still!
[08:16] <seb128> yeah ...
[08:16] <seb128> turns out settings is quite some work/doing quite some things
[08:16] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:16] <didrocks> morning czajkowski
[08:16] <seb128> hey czajkowski, how are you?
[08:17] <didrocks> seb128: unbelievable ;)
[08:17] <czajkowski> well I was fine till I had to log in under my guest account to get my desktop this morning under Trusty :/
[08:17] <seb128> urg
[08:17] <seb128> what happened to your normal account?
[08:18] <czajkowski> I don't know :(
[08:18] <czajkowski> it was working last night
[08:18] <seb128> what happened when you try to log in there?
[08:19] <czajkowski> https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/1
[08:19] <willcooke> hi czajkowski
[08:19] <czajkowski> is all I see when I log in
[08:19] <czajkowski> willcooke: welcome back sunshine!
[08:19] <czajkowski> \o/
[08:19] <willcooke> czajkowski, :D  I know which side my bread is buttered
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[08:19] <willcooke> or rather, British
[08:20] <czajkowski> heh
[08:20] <czajkowski> seb128: https://twitter.com/czajkowski/status/491135209526820864/photo/1
[08:21] <czajkowski> guest account works
[08:21] <seb128> czajkowski, try running "gsettings reset org.compiz.core:/org/compiz/profiles/unity/plugins/core/ active-plugins" for your user
[08:22] <czajkowski> seb128: under guest or main account ?
[08:22] <seb128> czajkowski, the main one
[08:22] <seb128> czajkowski, you can use nautilus to browse to /usr/bin and start things if needed
[08:22] <czajkowski> ok shall go and attempt that :)
[08:22] <czajkowski> cheers
[08:22] <seb128> like a command line
[08:22] <seb128> or try keybindings
[08:22] <didrocks> (ctrl + alt + T to try to open it from command line)
[08:22] <seb128> depends if u-s-d is running
[08:22] <didrocks> hoping that compiz is running
[08:22] <didrocks> yep
[08:23] <seb128> but my guess is that the unity plugin got unloaded for some reason
[08:23] <czajkowski> lemie reboot nad seee
[08:27] <czajkowski> nope :(
[08:27] <czajkowski> could be the day I upgrade to U I guess
[08:27]  * ogra_ hands willcooke https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEYcGPF00l0 ... for his buttered bread
[08:27] <ogra_> (and welcome back !!!)
[08:27] <seb128> czajkowski, can you share your .cache/upstart/gnome-session-Unity.log ?
[08:29] <willcooke> ogra_, ha!  Love it
[08:30] <czajkowski> seb128: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7829147/
[08:32] <ochosi> morning everyone
[08:32] <seb128> hey ochosi
[08:33] <ochosi> hey seb128, still enjoying your holidays or back sweating for the man?
[08:33] <didrocks> morning ochosi
[08:33] <seb128> ochosi, back to work, dealing with backlogs ;-)
[08:33] <Laney> there's no way you would see seb128 if he was on holiday
[08:33] <Laney> :P
[08:34] <Laney> he'd be on the beach drinking cocktails out of a pineapple
[08:34] <didrocks> and rightly so! :)
[08:34] <ochosi> hehe
[08:34] <didrocks> ah, the alcohol issue…
[08:34] <didrocks> we told we won't mention it again :p
[08:34]  * ochosi wants to live where seb128 lives if they serve cocktails in pineapples there...
[08:34] <seb128> lol
[08:35] <seb128> didrocks, you are the one assuming that cocktails with pineapple have to include alcohol!
[08:35] <didrocks> argh, caught :p
[08:35] <seb128> ;-)
[08:36]  * seb128 doesn't drink alcohol
[08:36] <seb128> only beer, wine and schnaps
[08:36] <didrocks> which isn't alcol
[08:36] <didrocks> alcohol*
[08:36] <didrocks> by german standards :p
[08:36] <seb128> correct
[08:36] <seb128> well, german or french
[08:36] <seb128> depending of the day/drink ;-)
[08:36] <didrocks> you speak for the french :)
[08:37] <didrocks> which isn't really true ;)
[08:39] <seb128> czajkowski, hum
[08:40] <seb128> czajkowski, you log has the same error than https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1345296
[08:40] <seb128> "ERROR 2014-07-21 09:15:46 unity.debug.interface DebugDBusInterface.cpp:216 Unable to load entry point in libxpathselect: libxpathselect.so.1.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory"
[08:40] <seb128> not sure why you get that
[08:41] <seb128> that library is not installed by default/unity shouldn't require it to run
[08:41] <seb128> Trevinho, ^ do you know about that?
[08:43] <didrocks> seb128: still weird it's working on her guest session though
[08:43] <seb128> yes
[08:44] <didrocks> some config is triggering that requirement
[08:44] <czajkowski> yup welcome to my weirdness
[08:44] <czajkowski> and a odd start to a monday :)
[08:44] <seb128> it's like some option/extra plugin got activated
[08:44] <didrocks> right ;)
[08:44] <seb128> czajkowski, did you tweak your config in any way yesterday? what did you upgrade? (dpkg.log can tell you)
[08:44] <didrocks> the calls are in unity-shared/DebugDBusInterface.cpp
[08:53] <czajkowski> seb128: nope nothing
[08:53] <czajkowski> booted it up last night and read mail and logged off
[08:53] <seb128> weird :/
[08:55] <czajkowski> seb128: yup any idea how I can fix it before I leave for Germany tomorrow
[09:01] <czajkowski> .c
[09:02] <seb128> czajkowski, having a reply from Trevinho or bregma would be useful...
[09:04] <seb128> czajkowski, you can try to unity --reset but I'm not sure that's still a thing/working
[09:05] <czajkowski> cant hurt either
[09:05] <seb128> czajkowski, you can probably try to move somewhere ~/.compiz .compiz-1 .config/compiz-1
[09:06] <seb128> keep those maybe for debugging in case
[09:06] <didrocks> seb128: reset doesn't exist anymore
[09:07] <seb128> didrocks, right, what I though :-/
[09:07] <didrocks> nobody changed it since I deprecated it
[09:09] <seb128> didrocks, is 0replaceme working in maintscripts? i.e https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/rm_conffile/+merge/227513
[09:09] <didrocks> seb128: no, it doesn't, it could easily though
[09:10] <seb128> Laney, ^
[09:10] <didrocks> sil2100: mind if I change this in cu2d and then you deploy it? ^
[09:10] <czajkowski> bah my guest account doesn't keep any histroy :/
[09:10]  * didrocks can do that in few secs
[09:10] <Laney> wait
[09:10] <Laney> robru fixed it to do that the other day
[09:11] <seb128> oh
[09:11] <didrocks> yeah, I'm looking at the code and he changed that to everywhere
[09:11] <didrocks> which can create issues with comments though…
[09:11] <didrocks> well, shrugh…
[09:12] <Laney> everywhere in debian/?
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: yeah
[09:12] <Laney> guess we'll see if there are problems in practice and can restrict then
[09:12] <didrocks> and the function is still name as refresh_symbol_files()
[09:12] <didrocks> Laney: some people used that in comments
[09:12] <sil2100> didrocks: no problem ;)
[09:12] <sil2100> didrocks: cupstream2distro trunk should be safe currently
[09:14] <didrocks> at least, cjwatson added tests
[09:15] <didrocks> sil2100: the approved approach is really risky btw
[09:15] <didrocks> sil2100: you don't check the revision which is approved
[09:16] <didrocks> so, if you really want to force approved version, you should check that ids used to be built and the approved rev are the same
[09:17] <seb128> Laney, the update branch still has unhappy CI :-/
[09:17] <Laney> which?
[09:17] <seb128> https://code.launchpad.net/~laney/ubuntu-system-settings/system-update-dbus-last-updated/+merge/227322
[09:17] <seb128> or is that because it needs your fix stack on top of it?
[09:17] <Laney> that doesn't have the fixes merged in
[09:18] <Laney> I think dbus-ap-cleanup prereqs on that one and is happy
[09:18] <seb128> indeed is
[09:19] <Laney> it's had three CI runs now so I'm kind of hopeful
[09:19] <seb128> right
[09:26]  * Laney is bisecting glib
[09:26] <sil2100> didrocks: ACK, will consider that
[09:30] <seb128> Laney, what did desrt do?
[09:30] <Laney> https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-shotwell/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console
[09:32] <Laney> bisect says https://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=49b59e5ac4428a6a99a85d699c3662f96efc4e9d
[09:32] <asac> seb128: are you guys working on system image support for x86?
[09:36] <seb128> asac, no, desktop has nothing to do with system images so far (out of being included in the discussions in Malta)
[09:36] <seb128> that would rather be a topic for foundations / mvo
[09:36] <seb128> or barry
[09:36] <asac> yeah. was just curious
[09:36] <asac> because of the merge
[09:36] <asac> but guess system-update != system-image-update
[09:40] <ochosi> hm, have any of you an idea how the soundmenu manages to forward the mouse-grab from the menuitem to the gtkscale? somehow that doesn't seem to work if i put a scale into a menuitem normally and i couldn't find any special code for that in indicator-sound
[09:40] <seb128> ochosi, ido is having the special widgets
[09:40] <seb128> larsu can probably help you a bit better than me there though
[09:43] <larsu> ochosi: I think we have a gtk patch for that (not sure, didn't write that)
[09:43] <larsu> I've been meaning to check wheter we still need it though
[09:43] <ochosi> ah, that'd be interesting to know!
[09:43] <ochosi> didn't realize i would have to look for that in ido :)
[09:44] <larsu> ochosi: right, idorangemenuitem.c
[09:44] <larsu> ochosi: ugh sorry. idorange.c is the gtkscale subclass and idoscalemenuitem.c is the menu item
[09:45] <larsu> the menu item does override all kinds of events, maybe it's enough to just do that
[09:45] <ochosi> humm, no 12.04 branch anymore
[09:45]  * ochosi wants to implement that in gtk2
[09:46] <larsu> I think it was in the sound indicator back then
[09:46] <larsu> (before we did the split)
[09:46] <ochosi> oh
[09:46] <ochosi> do you by any chance remember whether those things changed a lot from gtk2 to gtk3?
[09:47] <larsu> no, sorry
[09:47] <ochosi> ok, no worries
[09:47] <ochosi> i'll look around and poke you again if i feel lost :p
[09:47] <larsu> the menu code in general didn't change that much iirc
[09:47] <larsu> so your chances are good
[09:48] <larsu> sure!
[10:27] <czajkowski> seb128: think it's safe to upgrade to U given my current morning dekstop issue ?
[10:30] <seb128> czajkowski, yes
[10:30] <seb128> not sure U is going to solve that though
[10:30] <seb128> but you can still upgrade
[10:30]  * didrocks is making a temptative run outside :p
[10:30] <czajkowski> could be worse this could have happened on wednesday when I need a working machine for an event at least I've a few days to fix the issue
[10:31] <seb128> didrocks, good luck and enjoy!
[10:31] <seb128> czajkowski, the unity guys should be online at some point and able to help you I guess
[10:32] <czajkowski> seb128: nods who should  I look out for ?
[10:37] <seb128> czajkowski, bregma Trevinho townsend
[10:38] <czajkowski> cheers
[10:43] <seb128> time for lunch here, be back in an hour
[10:45] <Laney> hmm a new stable gstreamer
[11:10] <rickspencer3> seb128, Laney, didrocks, etc...
[11:11] <rickspencer3> does everyone remember willcooke ?>
[11:11] <willcooke> o/
[11:11]  * willcooke waves
[11:11] <Laney> I'm too fresh and innocent
[11:11] <willcooke> Laney, that won't last
[11:11] <rickspencer3> lol
[11:12] <Laney> actually I lived through Jason so I'm not sure that can be true :P
[11:12] <willcooke> ha
[11:12] <rickspencer3> Laney, et al as of today, willcooke is the engineering manager for the desktop team
[11:12] <Laney> high five
[11:12] <willcooke> :)
[11:13] <willcooke> I'll get a 1:1 meeting with you guys set up in the next day or so
[11:13] <rickspencer3> Laney, meanwhile, what do you think willcooke should focus on first?
[11:13] <willcooke> I'd like to introduce myself and get a good view on what our process looks like, where our backlog is etc.
[11:14] <rickspencer3> willcooke, I can say that their interim manager has not been too helpful
[11:14] <willcooke> :D
[11:15] <rickspencer3> the only thing I did right was find a good replacement for jasoncwarner ;)
[11:16] <Laney> ha
[11:16] <Laney> you helped us arrange $upcoming_trips
[11:16] <rickspencer3> willcooke, did you get any time off between your last job and this one?
[11:16] <willcooke> a couple of days, enough to get a round of golf in
[11:16] <Laney> aaaaaaand took us for steak and I'm sure many other things that I didn't see :P
[11:16] <willcooke> :)
[11:17] <rickspencer3> "took us for steak"
[11:17] <rickspencer3> lol
[11:17] <Laney> things to focus on, I expect $upcoming_trip[1] is going to need some attention
[11:18] <rickspencer3> Laney, I got you started on the Unity 8/Mir desktop preivew
[11:18] <rickspencer3> that's my claim to fame desktop team wise
[11:18] <Laney> haha, yes!
[11:18] <rickspencer3> of course, it was all seb128's idea
[11:18] <rickspencer3> byt
[11:18]  * rickspencer3 shrugs
[11:18] <rickspencer3> :)
[11:19] <willcooke> Regarding $trip - I'll know more details for my flights etc in the next couple of days. Then I will get an itinerary together (although it sounds like that is mostly done)
[11:21] <Laney> Ya, it's coming together - they're asking for people to 'own' sessions
[11:21] <Laney> that kind of prep
[11:21] <willcooke> Laney, could you forward me any relevant emails from the last few weeks regarding sessions etc?
[11:21] <willcooke> or point me to a wiki page where everything is documented.
[11:21] <willcooke> jk
[11:22] <willcooke> ;p
[11:22] <Laney> I just know of one document
[11:22] <Laney> here you go .......
[11:56] <willcooke> having all sorts of SSO issues
[11:56] <willcooke> :(
[11:57] <didrocks> I'm moderately wet, so, I will call my exercise a moderate success :)
[11:59] <Laney> fell in the lake?
[11:59] <didrocks> willcooke: yeah, as told already, happy to have you there (this rick guy was soooo awful, I'm happy he never had been an ubuntu desktop manager ever never ever :p)
[12:00] <willcooke> :D
[12:00] <didrocks> he always took bad decision like hiring me at the time and such :p
[12:01] <didrocks> Laney: avoided the lake, and not falling this time
[12:01] <willcooke> Any thoughts on who I should speak to about the mess I've got my SSO in to?  I seem to have to accounts in one.ubuntu.com which are partly tied together partly not.
[12:01] <didrocks> Laney: however, the weather wasn't really great, but it could have been worse :p
[12:01] <mvo__> willcooke: ohhhh, welcome! nice to see you here
[12:01] <willcooke> hey mvo__ nice to see you too :)
[12:01] <didrocks> willcooke: there is a channel for that, one sec
[12:01] <mvo__> didrocks: wasn't that #omgssoisbroken ?
[12:02] <willcooke> ha!
[12:02] <didrocks> mvo__: I guess it's a double "omg" :p
[12:02] <mvo__> lol
[12:04] <didrocks> ok, even if the rain took care of me and I'm wet, short shower time
[12:07] <Trevinho> seb128, czajkowski: that libxpathselect.so.1.4 "error", is actually a warning... Since It's not needed unless you want to run ap on it, so it should not be fatal to the unity run
[12:09] <Trevinho> czajkowski: can you try to install unity-dbgsym (and maybe even compiz debug symbols) and launch from tty1 unity --advanced-debug to get a gdb backtrace?
[12:15] <didrocks> ok, I was lucky to run now… it would have been an epic fail otherwise :p
[12:16] <seb128> didrocks, did you avoid the shower and got it on the way back?
[12:16]  * ogra_ guesses he forgot his shampoo ... 
[12:18] <didrocks> seb128: just a little bit of rain, but really nothing compared to what I see now
[12:18] <didrocks> ogra_: yeah, I still didn't take your idea into account, sorry :p
[12:18] <czajkowski> well that's a little annoying, upgraded to Utopic but still no desktop on main account but again guest works.
[12:18] <czajkowski> Trevinho: ello shall try your suggestion now
[12:25] <seb128> czajkowski, that was expected, no reason an upgrade would solve that bug
[12:26] <czajkowski> seb128: I can hope can't I :)
[12:26] <czajkowski> 2 days before I run a hackathon and leave for Munich :/
[12:27] <seb128> czajkowski, you can, but even if that was fixed in utopic, letting the bug in trusty is not nice to other users ;-)
[12:27] <seb128> czajkowski, well, I'm sure we are going to sort it out
[12:27] <seb128> czajkowski, did you try moving the .compiz directories I listed earlier btw?
[12:27] <czajkowski> seb128: I did nothing made a difference.
[12:27] <czajkowski> just boggling how it worked last night and not today which is what is confusing
[12:28] <czajkowski> another reason to never shut my laptop down
[12:28] <seb128> do what Trevinho suggested I guess
[12:29] <czajkowski> yup I am and working in pm now
[12:29] <czajkowski> cheers don't want to spam the entire channel with my crazy machine
[12:29] <seb128> czajkowski, Trevinho: please keep the channel updated as well
[12:29] <seb128> there is no other discussion ongoing and I'm interested in the details
[12:29] <seb128> so using the channel would be fine there
[12:31] <bregma> Trevinho, would removing all the files from /etc/compizconfig/upgrades hurt in an attempt to fix czajkowski's problem?
[12:35] <Trevinho> bregma: they shouldn't change anything relevant in recent times I think
[12:37] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm not sure wheather I read the full story, but has that been triggered by an update?
[12:38] <seb128> Trevinho, we don't know, and it's not happening in a guest session
[12:38] <seb128> Trevinho, czajkowski didn't restart for a while apparently, so not sure what updates happened between working and not working
[12:39] <Trevinho> mh I see
[13:18] <seb128> kenvandine, hey
[13:18] <kenvandine> hey seb128
[13:18] <seb128> kenvandine, how are you?
[13:18] <kenvandine> good, and you?
[13:19] <seb128> good, thanks
[13:19] <seb128> starting reviewing bacon2d
[13:19] <seb128> that's duplicated in the queue and the versions are slightly different
[13:19] <kenvandine> take the most recent upload :)
[13:19] <seb128> is that normal?
[13:19] <seb128> that drops some qmldir qmltypes
[13:19] <seb128> is that normal?
[13:19] <kenvandine> silly git-buildpackage
[13:20] <seb128> src/imports/Bacon2D/plugins.qmltypes
[13:20] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:20] <kenvandine> those get created during the build
[13:21] <kenvandine> src/imports shouldn't even exist
[13:21] <seb128> k
[13:21] <kenvandine> i had some trouble with git-buildpackage, it thought it was a debian native even with the ubuntu revision
[13:23] <seb128> kenvandine, in debian/copyright
[13:23] <seb128> Files: 3rdparty/qml-box-2d/Box2D/*
[13:23] <seb128> the path is "box2d"
[13:23] <seb128> without the "-"
[13:26] <seb128> kenvandine, git-archive-all.sh is GPL3
[13:27] <kenvandine> grr... i so love debian/copyright
[13:27] <kenvandine> :-D
[13:27] <seb128> lol
[13:27] <kenvandine> that script shouldn't even be in the dist :)
[13:28] <kenvandine> seb128, i'll make sure it isn't in the next one, but i'd rather not tag another release :)
[13:28] <seb128> kenvandine, none of that looks like a blocker, but...
[13:29] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm more annoyed at the one where the sources a LGPL2+ and the copyright states LGPL2.1 instead
[13:29] <seb128> ./src/scene.h: LGPL (v2 or later)
[13:29] <seb128> ./src/behavior.cpp: LGPL (v2 or later)
[13:29] <seb128> ./src/animationchangeevent.h: LGPL (v2 or later)
[13:29] <seb128> debian/copyright: License: LGPL-2.1
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine, you can do better than that Ken!
[13:30] <kenvandine> damn... rookie mistake :)
[13:30] <seb128> kenvandine, otherwise looks good for NEW
[13:30] <seb128> I could approve it like that, I would prefer the LGPL mismatch to be fixed first though
[13:30] <seb128> if you don't want to reroll now but get it fixed this week I can let that one through
[13:31] <kenvandine> there will be another release this week for sure
[13:31]  * xnox imagines seb128 cooking - scrapping the dish after using a spoonful too much of ground cumin.
[13:32] <seb128> xnox, you british, don't speak about cooking!
[13:32] <didrocks> seb128: want to make will sad on his first day? :p
[13:32] <seb128> lol
[13:32]  * xnox protects myself with a bottle of white vinegar and a tube of salt
[13:32] <didrocks> (even if I deeply agree, of course!)
[13:34] <seb128> kenvandine, ok, NEWed, it's because it's you!
[13:34] <seb128> kenvandine, next time I might be less nice on license version mismatches though :-p
[13:35] <kenvandine> seb128, i already pushed the debian/copyright fixes to the packaging branch :)
[13:35] <kenvandine> i need to propose a branch for the COPYING file change and get a review, etc
[13:36] <kenvandine> seb128, thx!
[13:36] <willcooke> hey kenvandine
[13:36] <kenvandine> yo willcooke!
[13:36] <willcooke> 'sup
[13:36] <kenvandine> willcooke, wb! :-D
[13:36] <willcooke> thanks, very happy to be here again
[13:36] <willcooke> I missed you kenvandine
[13:36] <willcooke> :)
[13:37] <kenvandine> you've been missed!
[13:37] <kenvandine> and you're leading the best team!
[13:37] <willcooke> I know, right!  These guys are amazeballs.  I'm very excited to be back
[14:12] <seb128> Trevinho, bregma, did you manage to help czajkowski with her issue?
[14:12] <Trevinho> seb128: still ongonoing
[14:12] <seb128> k
[14:12] <seb128> do you have any clue what's wrong?
[14:13] <Trevinho> seb128: not yet still, as we've not able to debug
[14:13] <seb128> k
[14:13] <seb128> Trevinho, do you know why she gets the debug mode enabled?
[14:13] <seb128> did you try turning it off to see?
[14:14] <Trevinho> seb128: debug mode is enabled for everyone... unity always try to load that library...
[14:14] <Trevinho> seb128: it won't just do anything if it's not there
[14:14] <seb128> Trevinho, no it doesn't
[14:15] <seb128> hum
[14:15] <seb128> Trevinho, ignore that, I've the lib installed, it might be why I don't get the warning
[14:15] <seb128> I got confused by that bug report earlier
[14:15] <Trevinho> seb128: yes, but it's not something fatal... as I wrote the only reason why that was marked as an "error" is to make sure it was printed out
[14:16] <seb128> k
[14:16] <Trevinho> I dint do that, iirc it has beeen always there
[14:16] <seb128> yeah, sorry about the confusion
[14:16] <seb128> I don't have the warning here, and we got a bug report this morning similar to czajkowski's one
[14:16] <seb128> which was mentioning the warning
[14:17] <seb128> so I sort of matched those mentally, wrongly it seems ;-)
[14:19] <Trevinho> ehe, np
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, i've proposed the COPYING and dist fix too, so next release should fix all your findings
[14:21] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks!
[14:21] <czajkowski> seb128: Trevinho is being very patient
[14:21] <kenvandine> seb128, can haz binNEW? :-D
[14:22] <seb128> kenvandine, sure, give me a minute
[14:22] <seb128> czajkowski, no doubt, Trevinho is great ;-)
[14:22] <kenvandine> Trevinho rocks
[14:22]  * Trevinho blueshes
[14:22] <Trevinho> err, blushes
[14:22] <kenvandine> :)
[14:23] <Trevinho> no, I actually become blue :D
[14:23] <czajkowski> me and compiz are just not going to see eye to eye today are we
[14:23] <czajkowski> lemmie reboot once again, also wish my history on my guest could be on :/
[14:24] <seb128> czajkowski, you can create a new user to have a persistent "guest"
[14:24] <czajkowski> seb128: don't I need to be in the main account to do that
[14:24] <seb128> czajkowski, right, but nautilus is working, so you can go to /user/
[14:25] <seb128> /usr/bin and run unity-control-center
[14:25] <seb128> or from a command line
[14:25] <seb128> well, it might even work from a guest
[14:25] <seb128> but I'm unsure because of apparmor rules there
[15:32] <willcooke> ahhh - the wonderful conference call music
[15:34] <didrocks> you missed it, I'm sure :)
[15:34] <willcooke> :D
[15:50] <willcooke> seb128, didrocks - presumably there is a desktop mailing list, actually ignore, of course there is - I will Google
[15:50] <seb128> willcooke, https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
[15:51] <didrocks> seb128 beat me to it :)
[15:51] <willcooke> :) thanks guys
[15:51]  * willcooke lazy
[15:51] <seb128> yw!
[15:57] <czajkowski> I have a working desktop thanks to Trevinho
[15:57] <Trevinho> just a workaround for now. but indeed it's some setting fault
[15:58] <seb128> what was the issue?
[15:58] <seb128> Trevinho, we miss an unity --reset for those case
[15:58] <seb128> czajkowski, glad you got it back to working at least!
[15:58] <Trevinho> seb128: mh, indeed... but we stll need to figure out what's the current problem
[15:59] <seb128> Trevinho, right
[15:59] <willcooke> seb128, do we have a wikipage or similar for listing things like this, like a workarounds/fixes page?
[15:59] <willcooke> is that even a good idea?
[15:59] <Trevinho> seb128: I'm not brave enough to test, but is gsettings reset recoursive?
[15:59] <seb128> willcooke, we have askubuntu
[15:59] <Trevinho> or can be?
[15:59] <seb128> Trevinho, gsettings reset-recursively is
[16:00] <seb128> willcooke, http://askubuntu.com/
[16:00] <Trevinho> seb128: so apparently I'm also too lazy to trigger an --help :D
[16:00] <Laney> yeah askubuntu tends to do quite well on google searches
[16:00] <seb128> Trevinho, lol, me too, I just did "gsettings res<TAB>"
[16:01] <Laney> Trevinho: why bother when you have an interactive --help right here in your IRC window :-)
[16:01] <seb128> Trevinho, but I sort of remembered there was one such option
[16:01] <seb128> Laney, calling me interactive?!
[16:01] <Trevinho> Laney: I love to bother people, time to time :D
[16:01] <Laney> wind seb128 up and watch him go!
[16:01] <Trevinho> and seb128 is always a nice bot to interact with :D
[16:01] <didrocks> well, you are interecting :)
[16:02] <seb128> 0_o
[16:02] <seb128> didrocks, not sure if you insulting me there or what :p
[16:02] <seb128> int-erecting?
[16:02]  * seb128 eyes didrocks
[16:02] <didrocks> intera*cting
[16:03] <seb128> ooh ;-)
[16:03] <czajkowski> LOL
[16:03] <czajkowski> such loons you lot are :)
[16:03] <Laney> hahaha
[16:03] <Laney> Ubuntu After Dark
[16:03] <seb128> czajkowski, we are a lovely bunch, right? ;-)
[16:04] <seb128> I wonder if we are going to manage to scare willcooke on his first day here
[16:04] <didrocks> there is still time!
[16:05]  * willcooke packs his bags
[16:05] <Laney> hazing
[16:05] <didrocks> ahah
[16:05] <Laney> chug chug chug chug
[16:05] <willcooke> \o/
[16:05] <Laney> there's a tradition of dancing on tables, btw
[16:05] <didrocks> oh right…
[16:05] <didrocks> first team dinner
[16:05] <didrocks> be prepared will!
[16:06] <willcooke> haha!  I look forward to it
[16:06] <didrocks> jason setup that tradition, you have to be up to the standard now :p
[16:06] <willcooke> Sure thing
[16:06] <willcooke> And I have to wear the chicken suit as well I expect?
[16:07] <didrocks> you can add some variation of this new tradition yourself if you really wish… ;)
[16:07] <willcooke> horse head masks
[16:07] <willcooke> so, back on this Ask Ubuntu thing
[16:07] <willcooke> So, UA is a great platform
[16:08] <willcooke> especially when people are googling for errors
[16:08] <willcooke> but
[16:08] <willcooke> that requires, say, czajkowski to open an AU  question
[16:08] <willcooke> and then one of us to answer it
[16:09] <willcooke> Would it be less effort if we (i.e. me) just jotted down some quick workarounds on a wiki page (or whatever)
[16:09] <willcooke> Feel free to say "thats a stupid idea" btw
[16:09] <willcooke> just thinking out loud
[16:10] <didrocks> I do think that have the question on askubuntu enables it to be more up to date and being care of than a wiki page which quickly deprecates IMHO
[16:10] <didrocks> like, if you type "empty desktop" or "no unity launcher", you end up with: http://askubuntu.com/questions/17381/unity-doesnt-load-no-launcher-no-dash-appears
[16:11] <didrocks> the second answer was the famous unity --reset
[16:11] <didrocks> (up to 12.10)
[16:11] <didrocks> and the first answer is the current recommended way as we don't have --reset reimplemented
[16:12] <didrocks> we can improve that answer with the gsettings reset maybe though
[16:12] <willcooke> ah - perfect
[16:12] <willcooke> if someone tells me what to write I can update it
[16:13] <didrocks> willcooke: actually, I would rather upvote the 3rd answer
[16:13] <willcooke> even better
[16:13] <willcooke> \o/
[16:13] <didrocks> the dconf reset blablabla
[16:13] <czajkowski> can I start a campaign to bring back unity --reset after today
[16:14] <didrocks> czajkowski: I didn't reimplement it at the time because of a possible race
[16:14] <didrocks> when we switch from gconf to gsettings
[16:14] <didrocks> I guess we can have that back now with an upstart job I would say
[16:14] <didrocks> to avoid that race
[16:14] <czajkowski> well that settles that then, no beer for didrocks
[16:15] <didrocks> :p
[16:15] <didrocks> I'm not officially working on that anymore and was going to propose my help, but me ;)
[16:15] <Laney> when did that migration happen?
[16:15] <didrocks> meh*
[16:15] <didrocks> Laney: 13.04
[16:15] <didrocks> bregma: does your team have that on your list? ^
[16:16] <Laney> doesn't sound like there will be a race now then
[16:16] <Laney> upstart job sounds like a slightly weird way to do it
[16:16] <didrocks> Laney: yeah, clearly not, also unity/compiz is way more stable
[16:16] <didrocks> --reset was really a workaround
[16:16] <didrocks> like "loose all your config"
[16:16] <Laney> anyway it doesn't sound like we really even understand what happened this time
[16:16] <didrocks> Laney: we had 2 gsettings and dconf daemon starting at the same time
[16:16] <didrocks> which was creating a deadlock
[16:17] <Laney> what, today's problem?
[16:17] <didrocks> ask duflu as well, he has good memories of that
[16:17] <didrocks> Laney: I think nobody retried
[16:17] <Laney> aha, was referring to czajkowski's issue
[16:17] <didrocks> I just retried I was going on holidays when they started and at 3am I was still trying to understand how to diminish the problem :p
[16:17] <didrocks> ah no
[16:17] <didrocks> Trevinho: what's czajkowski specific issue? any leads? ^
[16:18] <didrocks> Laney: but yeah, was fun time, I remember clearly: Friday evening, closing laptop at 6pm
[16:19] <didrocks> at 11pm, just before going to bed and on holidays for good "let's check emails"
[16:19] <didrocks> starting the laptop… "no unity" :p
[16:19] <Laney> haha
[16:19] <didrocks> (it was when we still did Friday releases :p)
[16:20] <Laney> and IRC was full of people panicking, right?
[16:20] <didrocks> yeah
[16:21] <didrocks> got this race 3 times on 4 approx
[16:21] <didrocks> on boot
[16:21] <didrocks> of course, we didn't get it while releasing…
[16:23] <willcooke> seb128, are you still working?
[16:23] <willcooke> seb128, i.e. I have a question, but it can wait
[16:24] <seb128> willcooke, yes
[16:25] <willcooke> seb128, so rickspencer3 dropped in to conversation that we've got a point release going out on Thursday :)
[16:25] <seb128> willcooke, usual rule "it's IRC, you can ask, you might get a delay reply or need to ask again later"
[16:25] <willcooke> seb128, ack
[16:25] <rickspencer3> *cough*
[16:25] <willcooke> seb128, so what I want to know is... what do you need?
[16:25] <seb128> yeah, we were discussing that a few days ago
[16:25] <ogra_> more time :)
[16:25] <willcooke> except that
[16:25] <seb128> discussing as mentioning "weird that nothing happened from the release team yet"
[16:25] <seb128> like blocking SRUs, flushing the queue, etc
[16:25] <rickspencer3> seb128, slangasek pinged me Friday
[16:26] <rickspencer3> so, there was a little form them ;)
[16:27] <seb128> what did he say?
[16:27] <seb128> willcooke, well, not sure I need much, but knowing what's the plan would be good, I sort of assumed that would happen once the release team would start looking at doing the .1
[16:27] <seb128> which apparently didn't happen yet (for whatever reason)
[16:27] <seb128> it's likely going to be delayed
[16:28] <willcooke> seb128, kk - I will have a chat with them asap
[16:28] <seb128> willcooke, k, not sure we need to push anything there
[16:29] <willcooke> seb128, understood - easy does it
[16:29] <seb128> I assume that if they didn't act on it it's because people are on holidays or busy with other things
[16:29] <willcooke> in other news:  tooooo hot.
[16:29] <seb128> we should still communicate about the delay
[16:32] <willcooke> seb128, communicate to the release team, or more outwardly?
[16:32] <bregma> didrocks, is there a reference bug we can use to make sure it gets on our list?
[16:33] <seb128> willcooke, the "we" was Ubuntu/the release team
[16:33] <willcooke> seb128, gotya
[16:33] <Laney> I'm pinging in #ubuntu-release now
[16:33] <willcooke> thanks Laney
[16:34]  * willcooke joins #ubuntu-release
[16:34] <didrocks> bregma: czajkowski will open one (there is none, just checked) to reintroduce it if she wants it so badly (but again, it's a workaround, I hope Trevinho and her can work on the actual issue to really fix it)
[16:34] <czajkowski> didrocks: tis fine we'll fix it
[16:34] <czajkowski> was mostly just been a long day fixing this
[16:35] <didrocks> yeah, and if you got this issue, I bet some other people will have that :)
[16:35] <bregma> czajkowski, do you have a cause and a fix now?  I missed anything about that here
[16:36]  * bregma is recovering from attending a week-long scout jamboree
[16:45] <Laney> Sounds like the point release is on track and is just fairly low key
[16:46] <seb128> k
[16:46] <seb128> well "on track"
[16:46] <seb128> don't they flush proposed/get candidate image a week before usually?
[16:46] <willcooke> yeah, sounds like it's pretty much "business as usual"
[16:46] <Laney> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PointReleaseProcess
[16:47] <willcooke> hrm - that business as usual remark was directed at Laney's "sounds like the point release is on track"
[16:47] <willcooke> just in case
[16:47] <willcooke> :)
[17:09] <Laney> night!
[17:10] <willcooke> l8r Laney
[17:10] <Laney> cccccccccclimbing time
[17:11] <willcooke> I'm going EOD as well.  Canonical folk - sorry I didnt get to speak to you all personally today, I'll get to it this week.  I'm in the office tomorrow so let me know if there is anything you need from folks there
[17:12] <willcooke> I'll be travelling from about 9am to 10am tomorrow, but will be around before and after of course
[17:12] <didrocks> good night Laney!
[17:13] <didrocks> talk to you tomorrow willcooke, enjoy your evening :)
[17:22] <attente> seb128: sorry, i forgot to check up on https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-gtk-module/+bug/1208019, is it too late for the point release?
[17:46] <seb128> attente, not sure, best is to just go ahead with the SRU, if it's not in the iso it's still going to be in the available updates
[18:35] <sarnold> Trevinho: seen this one yet? :)  https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1345505
[18:40] <Trevinho> sarnold: mh sort of... Not properly identified that yet though
[18:41] <sarnold> Trevinho: no kidding, I'm impressed how many you've diagnosed so far with less information :)
[18:48] <Trevinho> sarnold: well there are a lot of cases to handle, and at the end we figured most, but still there are some holes to cover
[18:50] <sarnold> Trevinho: *nod*