| Nothing_Much | Oh cool! I can use Virtualbox to test 14.10? | 00:06 |
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| Nothing_Much | bbl | 00:08 |
| Nothing_Much | Hi again, did I miss anything? | 01:07 |
| Nothing_Much | Guess not :\ | 01:10 |
| balloons | Nothing_Much, yes you can use vbox | 01:18 |
| balloons | Nothing_Much, an install you will use is best. Be it vm or real hardware. Real hardware is preferred but vm works too | 01:19 |
| Nothing_Much | Awesome | 01:21 |
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| pitti | Good morning | 04:58 |
| jibel | pitti, I'm trying to produce a stacktrace for https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/9531bd08-10a5-11e4-8591-fa163e78b027 | 07:50 |
| jibel | pitti, I unpacked the crash file and ran: gdb --batch --ex 'file /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/indicator-location/indicator-location-service' --ex 'core-file CoreDump' --ex 'bt' | 07:50 |
| pitti | jibel: you run this on the phone? | 07:50 |
| jibel | pitti, which fails with a corrupt stack. Is it correct | 07:50 |
| jibel | ? | 07:50 |
| jibel | pitti, on the phone | 07:50 |
| pitti | jibel: it looks correct; to be sure, you can re-run it interactively | 07:51 |
| pitti | gdb /usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/indicator-location/indicator-location-service CoreDump | 07:51 |
| jibel | without ddebs I'll have unresolved symbols but not a corrupt stack | 07:51 |
| pitti | and then "bt full"; that might show more warnings/errors | 07:51 |
| pitti | but you should still see the gdb errors/warnings with your command as well; do you get any? | 07:52 |
| jibel | pitti, same result http://paste.ubuntu.com/7829037/ | 07:53 |
| pitti | warning: core file may not match specified executable file. | 07:54 |
| pitti | jibel: so, might be image mismatch; but still, same old gdb problem otherwise :( | 07:54 |
| jibel | ah, the phone has been upgraded | 07:54 |
| jibel | let me crash it again :) | 07:55 |
| jibel | ooh, too bad, it crashed :( | 08:05 |
| pitti | jibel: isn't that what you wanted? | 08:07 |
| jibel | pitti, it is | 08:07 |
| jibel | it's just too easy | 08:07 |
| jibel | and now system-settings uses 100% CPU but is not running in foreground | 08:08 |
| jibel | pitti, so same old problem with a fresh crash http://paste.ubuntu.com/7829204/ | 08:49 |
| pitti | jibel: yeah, and no bin mismatches now :/ | 08:51 |
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| jibel | pitti, did you see the failure in umockdev http://paste.ubuntu.com/7829954/ | 12:11 |
| jibel | http://d-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/job/utopic-adt-umockdev/30/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console | 12:11 |
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| pitti | jibel: just back from lunch, I'm looking at the recent failures | 12:35 |
| jibel | pitti, they are all the same | 12:36 |
| pitti | jibel: whoa -- fixing now | 12:37 |
| pitti | curious that this didn't come up in my testing, when I rolled out the new autopkgtest libpng etc. succeeded | 12:37 |
| pitti | and none of the tests caught it either *sigh* | 12:37 |
| pitti | jibel: ah, it affects --apt-source with "build-needed" only; sorry about that | 12:40 |
| pitti | jibel: fixed in git, rolled out, umockdev/tgt/colord retried | 12:46 |
| pitti | jibel: systemd is an "honest" failure, I'll look at this | 12:46 |
| jibel | pitti, thanks! | 12:47 |
| pitti | ah, sd_login_monitor_new() would fail in a chroot, indeed | 12:48 |
| pitti | it worked locally as I have an actual session running, I'll rewrite this | 12:48 |
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| pitti | balloons: so after "Tests running... | 14:40 |
| pitti | balloons: ... in http://paste.ubuntu.com/7815272/ nothing further happens? | 14:40 |
| balloons | pitti, yes exactly | 14:42 |
| balloons | it's quite bizarre. I thought it was perhaps just me but both jenkins and jibel report the same thing | 14:42 |
| * pitti runs here | 14:43 | |
| balloons | ohh really? | 14:45 |
| balloons | what version of the image? | 14:45 |
| pitti | balloons: no, I mean "I" am running this now and try to reproduce | 14:45 |
| pitti | not "it" runs here | 14:45 |
| balloons | pitti, lol.. whew.. sorry reading into what you said :-) | 14:47 |
| pitti | balloons: right, I see the same here; "python3 -m autopilot.run run reminders" is running | 14:47 |
| pitti | but nothing visible | 14:47 |
| pitti | balloons: FYI, with autopkgtest 3.2 you can use --override-control to point to a local manifest (to avoid rebuilding the click) | 14:52 |
| balloons | pitti, ahh yes, thanks for the reminder. I actually built it a few ways so I just pass the clicks I built before | 14:53 |
| pitti | balloons: sure, just pointing out as you were asking about it | 14:53 |
| balloons | yep, glad it's possible.. much nicer than rebuilding a big armhf click | 14:54 |
| pitti | balloons: curious, very curious; that's my current output with -v: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7830651/ | 14:56 |
| pitti | balloons: (still running and progressing) | 14:56 |
| pitti | why don't I see anything?? | 14:56 |
| balloons | pitti, you overrode AP to give you back verbose output eh? | 14:57 |
| pitti | balloons: yes; put that in the manifest into the "module" value, or use the undocumented cheesy ADT_AUTOPILOT_MODULE="-v reminders" | 14:57 |
| balloons | so, my thought with why this was happening is because of how the tests work. They create a fake online account via python before running the tests | 14:57 |
| balloons | i'll have to look at the tests again, but there is a small wait in there. | 14:58 |
| pitti | The ubuntuuitoolkit.emulators module is deprecated. Import the autopilot helpers from the top-level ubuntuuitoolkit module. | 14:59 |
| pitti | balloons: coudl that have something to do with it? | 14:59 |
| balloons | pitti, nope, that's just a warning from the toolkit.. I have a bug to convert everything, but it has no affect on the helpers atm | 15:00 |
| pitti | balloons: ok; also, I notice that reminder's .desktop is broken | 15:01 |
| balloons | that sounds more of an issue | 15:01 |
| * balloons peeks at reminders tests | 15:01 | |
| pitti | Exec=reminders | 15:02 |
| pitti | that's what ubuntu-app-launch would try to run, no? | 15:02 |
| pitti | meh, adb is such a terrible terminal | 15:05 |
| balloons | pitti, phablet-shell if you are using it | 15:05 |
| balloons | pitti, I'm not sure actually how much of a role the .desktop file plays | 15:06 |
| pitti | balloons: yeah, I think ubuntu-app-launch is doing some black magic | 15:06 |
| pitti | .cache/ubuntu-app-launch/desktop/com.ubuntu.reminders_reminders_0.5.184.desktop | 15:06 |
| pitti | it creates that, but it doesn't actually seem to use any information from that for running an app | 15:07 |
| pitti | maybe it searches the click dir for <name.qml> and directly runs that or os | 15:07 |
| pitti | so | 15:07 |
| balloons | brendand, elopio I see my mp for the sdk is still pending. https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/fix-1328600/+merge/227394. What do you think of it? | 15:09 |
| elopio | balloons: looks good, but you still have to update one test. | 15:11 |
| elopio | thanks for this, you will make the team happy. | 15:11 |
| balloons | elopio, sure what test did I miss? I see one failure, I guess it's from me eh? | 15:12 |
| elopio | balloons: ubuntuuitoolkit.tests.custom_proxy_objects.test_date_picker.PickTimeFromDatePickerTestCase.test_pick_time(lower second) | 15:12 |
| elopio | testtools.matchers._impl.MismatchError: datetime.time(12, 39, 20) != datetime.time(12, 30, 20) | 15:12 |
| balloons | elopio, ahh ok, ty.. I'll look and fix | 15:12 |
| pitti | balloons: I did some further comments to the MP, but I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas here :/ | 15:13 |
| pitti | balloons: OOI, does that work with phablet-test-run? (reflashing my device ATM, can try later) | 15:18 |
| balloons | pitti, yes it should run with phablet-test-run.., Just make sure you push everything so it has it's depends | 15:19 |
| pitti | balloons: ah, you mean apt-get installing its test deps? | 15:19 |
| balloons | pitti, no. phablet-test-run will look inside /home/phablet/autopilot and load all the python modules in there | 15:20 |
| balloons | so just push them to that folder | 15:20 |
| pitti | balloons: does phablet-test-prepare-something do that, or did you do that manually? | 15:20 |
| balloons | so something like python3-dbus is sitting in there and can be used by any test | 15:20 |
| balloons | pitti, manually | 15:21 |
| pitti | balloons: apt-get download and dpkg-deb -x? | 15:21 |
| balloons | pitti, I usually just adb push from my own installation because I'm lazy, but yes :-) | 15:21 |
| pitti | (how does CI run these?) | 15:21 |
| balloons | very rarely will you find a compiled python module, but I have encountered them | 15:22 |
| balloons | so apt-get download (armhf) is the safer option | 15:22 |
| balloons | pitti, CI doesn't run reminders (and can't without adt for this reason) | 15:22 |
| pitti | ah | 15:22 |
| balloons | and for calendar, the phablet-setup stuff pulls it's dateutil depends and unpacks in /home/phablet/autopilot | 15:23 |
| balloons | in other words mock, dateutil and the toolkit are the "default" depends pulled by phablet-click-test-setup | 15:25 |
| balloons | pitti, while i still have you, is notes working for you now? https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/notes-app/ap-setup-update/+merge/225992 | 15:34 |
| balloons | thanks for the notes on reminders. I'll give it a go again this afternoon. The extra debugging info should help | 15:35 |
| pitti | balloons: still fighting with phablet-test-run | 15:35 |
| pitti | (for reminders) | 15:35 |
| pitti | can look at notes tomorrow morning | 15:35 |
| balloons | pitti, ohh.. I saw the note about reminders not running via phablet-test-run. I haven't run it on the latest images but no reason to believe it's broken | 15:36 |
| pitti | ImportError: No module named 'requests' | 15:39 |
| pitti | balloons: I get that with ./phablet-test-run reminders | 15:39 |
| pitti | balloons: missing dep? | 15:39 |
| balloons | pitti, indeed | 15:39 |
| balloons | pitti, push everything in debian/control for the -autopilot package | 15:39 |
| pitti | I did | 15:40 |
| pitti | I have ~/autopilot/requests_oauthlib | 15:40 |
| balloons | python3 verison? | 15:40 |
| pitti | yes | 15:40 |
| pitti | python3-oauthlib_0.6.1-1_all.deb and python3-requests-oauthlib_0.4.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb | 15:40 |
| * balloons looks in his autopilot folder | 15:40 | |
| pitti | File "/home/phablet/autopilot/requests_oauthlib/oauth1_session.py", line 10, in <module> | 15:41 |
| pitti | import requests | 15:41 |
| balloons | bah, it's not even running for me | 15:41 |
| pitti | balloons: so if you could do "find -name 'requests*' | 15:41 |
| balloons | pitti, I have requests and requests_oauthlib | 15:42 |
| pitti | where does requests come from? | 15:42 |
| balloons | requests_oauthlib | 15:42 |
| balloons | adb push /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/requests/ /home/phablet/autopilot/requests | 15:42 |
| pitti | ah, python3-requests | 15:43 |
| balloons | :-) | 15:43 |
| pitti | ImportError: cannot import name 'certs' | 15:43 |
| pitti | well, that's progress I suppose :) | 15:43 |
| balloons | ok, certs | 15:44 |
| pitti | whereever that comes from | 15:44 |
| * balloons is running reminders tests | 15:44 | |
| balloons | I get your error about TypeError: Argument 1 does not allow None as a value, running the last thing I pushed onto the phone.. I should push trunk | 15:45 |
| pitti | https://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dist-packages%2Fcerts&mode=filename&suite=unstable&arch=any | 15:46 |
| pitti | there is no "certs" module | 15:46 |
| balloons | as far as certs.. I don't see the module in my ~/autopilot | 15:46 |
| pitti | nor is it in reminders | 15:46 |
| pitti | oh, it's requests/certs.py | 15:47 |
| * balloons wonders why find didn't see it | 15:47 | |
| pitti | and there's even a __pycache__/certs.cpython-34.pyc | 15:48 |
| pitti | WTH | 15:48 |
| balloons | lol.. I didn't make it * | 15:48 |
| balloons | yea, I see that now | 15:48 |
| pitti | aah | 15:48 |
| pitti | phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~/autopilot$ PYTHONPATH=. python3 -c 'import requests' | 15:48 |
| pitti | ImportError: No module named 'urllib3' | 15:48 |
| balloons | python3-urllib3 | 15:48 |
| pitti | that's what I get with apt-get download, no dependencies.. | 15:49 |
| balloons | I have that in my notes.. I wonder if we should specify it | 15:49 |
| pitti | adt-run does install dependencies | 15:49 |
| pitti | Tests running... | 15:49 |
| pitti | exactly the same | 15:50 |
| balloons | pitti, my guess is it's hanging due to the syntax error you found. At the least I should solve that | 15:50 |
| pitti | balloons: yeah | 15:51 |
| pitti | balloons: followed up again | 15:51 |
| pitti | balloons: yep, I see that TypeError now | 15:51 |
| balloons | ohh wait! I know what that is | 15:51 |
| balloons | if we see that TypeError, it means the fake account failed to be created | 15:52 |
| balloons | hence, it's none.. we should catch it and display a better failure | 15:52 |
| pitti | anyway, if phablet-test-run and adt-run fail in exactly the same way, I suppose it's an SEP for me :) | 15:52 |
| balloons | still.. the point is, it should be working | 15:52 |
| balloons | pitti, yes, I think you are in the clear on this one for now | 15:52 |
| balloons | and now you see why adt is better than the old method | 15:53 |
| pitti | clearly :) | 15:53 |
| pitti | balloons: trying notes-app again then | 15:53 |
| balloons | no one could figure out how to run reminders without it :-) | 15:53 |
| pitti | balloons: so we should kill phablet-click-test-setup and rewrite phablet-test-run to invoke adt-run with the necessary magic? | 15:57 |
| pitti | balloons: ah, I suppose I still need to implement automagic source retrieval | 15:57 |
| pitti | balloons: oh, "badpkg: got 3 lines of results from extract where 5 expected" -> that's most likely you forgetting to specify --click | 16:00 |
| pitti | balloons: I'll see to improve the error message (it tries to apt-get download com.ubuntu.notes, which fails bitterly) | 16:01 |
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| balloons | pitti, yes forgetting to specify --click is a bit offputting | 16:05 |
| pitti | balloons: I filed a bug for it, I'll fix that | 16:06 |
| balloons | pitti, umm, tweaking how the phablet-tools work I suppose isn't a bad idea | 16:06 |
| pitti | i. e. give a proper error message | 16:06 |
| balloons | pitti, any thoughts on the apt-get index issues? | 16:06 |
| balloons | I think that | 16:06 |
| balloons | might be the biggest issue atm | 16:06 |
| pitti | balloons: followed up to https://code.launchpad.net/~nskaggs/notes-app/ap-setup-update/+merge/225992 | 16:09 |
| balloons | with the phone being read-only, it's not a simple thing to be able to update the indexes | 16:09 |
| balloons | pitti, ty | 16:09 |
| pitti | balloons: archive.u.c. keeps old versions for 24 hours I think, so that'll mostly hit on older images | 16:10 |
| pitti | balloons: one workaround would be to mount r/w, apt-get update, remount r/o | 16:10 |
| pitti | (in the adb setup scripts) | 16:11 |
| pitti | another to use a local $APT_ROOT with copying the entire config and running apt-get update as user with temp cache dirs or so | 16:11 |
| pitti | but yeah, the eternal conflict between "we want to use apt" -- "no, we don't, really" :/ | 16:11 |
| pitti | balloons: I'm still stuck with ddeb-retriever, but once that's done I can spend more time again on adt-run | 16:13 |
| elopio | brendand: I replied to your review on the unity8 branch. You are probably running the installed unity. | 16:16 |
| brendand | elopio, right, probably. i should build and install the one from your branch then | 16:16 |
| elopio | brendand: you can follow the readme file on the branch | 16:17 |
| elopio | I think it's called coding | 16:17 |
| brendand | elopio, bzr bd usually does the trick | 16:17 |
| elopio | brendand: oh yes, I just don't want to pollute my installed packages. | 16:18 |
| elopio | but that will work. | 16:18 |
| balloons | pitti, sounds like you at least have ideas.. I'm guessing avoiding enabling r/w mode is preferred? but perhaps not. Toggeling r/w mode, updating indexes and toggling off is probably the simplest way | 16:26 |
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| Letozaf_ | balloons, hi | 19:35 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, hello | 19:35 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, howzit ? | 19:36 |
| balloons | busy busy eh? :-) | 19:36 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, :) have you got a second for me ? | 19:37 |
| balloons | of course! | 19:37 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I need help on running the clock app test I wrote on device | 19:37 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I get stuck after click-buddy --dir . --provision | 19:38 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, have you tried out using autopkgtest? | 19:38 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, no | 19:38 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, give it a try. It should handle all that manual stuff we used to do in the past | 19:38 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok thanks I will | 19:38 |
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| balloons | Letozaf_, give it a whirl now and let me now how it goes.. I can walk you through it if needed | 19:43 |
| balloons | basically you just build the click and then run the command.. it should all just work | 19:44 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok thanks, I am reading what you wrote on theorangenotebook now :) I will let you know | 19:44 |
| * Letozaf_ is updating her device with the latest image | 19:50 | |
| balloons | :-) | 19:52 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, but do you just run adt-run... in the root directory of the app, don't you need anything else ? | 19:57 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, well autopkgtest of course is needed :) | 19:58 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, yes autopkgtest is needed | 20:01 |
| balloons | you actually run it outside the app directory | 20:01 |
| balloons | and pass the directory as the first argument | 20:01 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, you can then choose to build a click package or not | 20:02 |
| balloons | if you choose to use the click package installed on the phone to run with, you specify it with click=com.ubuntu.clock | 20:02 |
| balloons | otherwise, the second argument is the click package you built locally | 20:02 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok, so I ran it outside the app directory specifying click=com.ubuntu.clock | 20:06 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, but I get an error :( I just branched a new clock app just to be sure it's not my code thats wrong | 20:06 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, <VirtSubproc>: failure: ['/usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/adb', 'open'] failed (exit status 255) | 20:07 |
| Letozaf_ | adt-run [22:06:00]: ERROR: testbed failed: cannot send to testbed: ['BrokenPipeError: [Errno 32] Broken pipe\n'] | 20:07 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, can you copy the line you are using to run? | 20:07 |
| balloons | the syntax is a little funny tricky | 20:07 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, adt-run ubuntu-clock-app --click=com.ubuntu.clock --- ssh -s /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/adb | 20:07 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, that --- ssh sounds strange to me :P | 20:08 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, yea, I'd run like this | 20:10 |
| balloons | adt-run ubuntu-clock-app/ click=com.ubuntu.clock --- ssh -s /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/adb | 20:10 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, if your shell is acting funny you can escape the ssh line with a / in front | 20:10 |
| * Letozaf_ is trying | 20:11 | |
| balloons | like \ssh -s /usr/share/autopkgtest/ssh-setup/adb | 20:12 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, :( looks like it does not like that / after ubuntu-clock-app | 20:13 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I get: adt-run: error: click=com.ubuntu.clock: unsupported action argument | 20:13 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, no even without the / I get the same error | 20:14 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, so following what I laid out in the post doesn't work for you? | 20:15 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, let met try again, but up to now it hasn't worked for me | 20:16 |
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| balloons | Letozaf_, I mean, literally can you replicate the example.. I think I used calendar app as the example | 20:18 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok let me try with calendar | 20:18 |
| balloons | hehe, not that it matters honestly | 20:19 |
| balloons | perhaps just a paste of the full output of what your doing would help me | 20:19 |
| balloons | you can also run with -d for more debugging outpout | 20:19 |
| balloons | so adt-run -d .... | 20:19 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7832261/ | 20:22 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, and you have a phone connected right? And just one phone? | 20:25 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, just one nexus 4 | 20:25 |
| balloons | it's failing to connect.. | 20:25 |
| balloons | can you run phablet-shell and get acesss? | 20:25 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, no, I suppose I have something wrong :( | 20:26 |
| Letozaf_ | letozaf@letozaf-PC:~/autopilot-tests$ phablet-shell | 20:26 |
| Letozaf_ | start: Job is already running: ssh | 20:26 |
| Letozaf_ | ssh-keygen: /home/letozaf/.ssh/known_hosts: Permission denied | 20:26 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, :-) there we go | 20:27 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, maybe I should just reboot device and pc | 20:27 |
| balloons | sanity has return | 20:27 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, I have been fidling to much | 20:27 |
| balloons | just rebooting the device is enough I'd say | 20:27 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok | 20:27 |
| * Letozaf_ is rebooting pc | 20:32 | |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, looks like it's working now | 20:41 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, yes ! it's working thanks! | 20:42 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, as soon as it ends I will try it on clock app | 20:43 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, awesome! | 20:44 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, so you should be able to run any app this way.. the only exception is reminders, which still needs a tweak to merge for it to work | 20:50 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok, I am still waiting for calendar tests to end :P | 20:51 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, lol... you can stop them if you wish | 20:51 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, ok I was wondering If I could :p | 20:51 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, but if I branch my tests, and rename the branch ubuntu-clock-app, I get the old clock app tests running non the new one | 20:58 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, but it's getting late now, maybe I will take a look better tomorrow night | 20:58 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, lol, just pass the directory name as the first argument | 20:59 |
| balloons | it matters not what it is called | 20:59 |
| balloons | Letozaf_, good night! | 20:59 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, it's what I did first, but I will try again tomorrow and let you know | 20:59 |
| balloons | yep forsure | 20:59 |
| Letozaf_ | balloons, thanks and good night :-) | 20:59 |
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| knome | balloons, ping | 22:45 |
| balloons | knome, pong | 23:08 |
| knome | ahh | 23:12 |
| knome | so, | 23:12 |
| knome | there are a few templates in the ubuntu wiki under QATeam and the old subdir Testing | 23:12 |
| knome | can we remove the unused ones? | 23:12 |
| balloons | sorry I just realized my error from earlier with Carla | 23:34 |
| balloons | knome, yes no reason I could think of to not keep it clean | 23:34 |
| knome | you probably know better what's used and what not | 23:34 |
| knome | or is any template used? | 23:34 |
| balloons | I personally don't use any | 23:35 |
| knome | okay | 23:36 |
| knome | i'll see if there are any recent ones not edited by you | 23:36 |
| knome | ok, the templates are cleaned up | 23:41 |
| knome | you involved with any loco? | 23:41 |
| balloons | us-fl | 23:41 |
| knome | ok, no templates for you ;) | 23:42 |
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