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MooDoomorning all05:53
mappshey05:58
mappssup MooDoo05:58
MooDooyo mapps06:08
mappshey06:09
mappsg'day06:09
mapps:D06:09
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brobostigonmorning boys and girls.07:57
MooDoomorning brobostigon and how are you this morning?07:57
brobostigonmorning MooDoo , not bad, and you?07:58
MooDoohello brobostigon yes I'm good thanks :D08:00
brobostigon:)08:01
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selinuxiumMorning all   o/08:11
MooDoomoring selinuxium08:15
foobarrybrobostigon is unusually early08:22
brobostigondidnt sleep properly due to this heat,08:22
foobarrymy son had the biggest tantrum of the year so far at 7am08:23
brobostigon:(08:23
foobarrycalmed down by time i left for work but fetl sorry for wifey08:24
foobarrywife threatened to rip up one of his books08:24
foobarryso anyway, has anyone tried running linux which has been instaleld onto usb stick ?08:25
foobarryhdparm speed is good, but other things are sluggish08:25
brobostigonlinux as in kernel, or linux as in linux distro?08:25
MooDooOnly Fedora on a usb stick08:26
foobarryubuntu server -> usb08:27
foobarrytab complete is slow the first time08:27
foobarryi understand writes are quite slow08:28
foobarrybut reads i thought would be OK08:28
diploMorning all08:45
MooDoomorning diplo08:47
JamesTaitGood morning all; happy Monday and happy Get Out of the Doghouse Day! :-D09:00
bigcalmGood morning peeps :)09:47
nigelbg2409:49
bigcalmNew SSDs have arrived. Really want to waste my day installing and moving data09:51
bigcalmHumf09:51
selinuxium:)09:55
selinuxiumbigcalm, the joy of migration...09:55
MooDooI'm moving all my websites, there is about 14 of them, that sucks.09:56
MooDooone of the disadvantages of working for a hosting company, when you leave you have to start paying lol09:57
nigelblol10:05
Myrttiyou know, I always try to keep my personal websites and others too specifically on somewhere that I need to pay for it10:07
nigelb^10:07
Myrttiand I think I'd make a specific point to make sure that they're hosted by !workplace10:09
MooDooI can't afford the hosting with someone else, I have about 20 sites, so self hosting them works fine10:09
MooDooMyrtti: I'm moving jobs so I loose the free hosting lol10:09
MyrttiMooDoo: dreamhost or something with multisite support maybe? there are some relatively cheap ones, I'm told. Anyway I'm not saying that selfhosting is a bad idea, I'm just saying that if I worked for a hosting company, I'd make a specific point of either using a competitor, or selfhost, or whatever, just so you don't have the hassle of dealing with your own stuff with multiple hats on10:13
MooDooMyrtti: yeah if my server doesn't hack it or I have too many connection issues, then I'll look into paid hosting, although it's a cost I could do with ou10:14
MooDooout10:14
nigelbg2810:14
Myrttiand there's been moments when I've specifically changed hosting companies because I wanted to pay for the service10:15
MooDooI'll stick to hosting and hope virgin is up to it lol10:22
nigelbjust use digital ocean?10:23
nigelbif they're not huge sites, one server should be able to take the load.10:23
MooDooyeah I was looking at them the other day, but my r200 is up to it....and there are no mission critical sites on there.10:23
nigelb:)10:24
MyrttiI hate thrips ;______________________________;10:24
nigelbour local ISPs prohibit running a website locally.10:24
MooDoobummer. it's quite handy for me, i just have to make sure it's not down lol10:24
MyrttiI'm literally in tears over these damned things10:25
MooDooif i disappear from irc, then my server is down lol10:25
nigelbhah10:26
Myrttithe only reason I'm running my main IRC client on vps I admin myself is because freenode staffdom10:26
Myrttiotherwise I'd use a shellservice10:26
Myrtti(which hosts my other irc connections which I connect to, my websites etc)10:27
MooDooMyrtti: I provide shell access to a few people....they don't do much apart from use irssi10:27
Myrtti.... please don't die there, please don't die there... God I hate thrips. With the hate of thousand suns.10:29
nigelbMyrtti: what are they doing?10:31
nigelbtriggering allergies or eating your plants?10:31
Myrttiinside my laptop display10:31
nigelb@_@10:31
nigelbI... wha... how...10:31
MooDooMyrtti: omg i got one the other day......grrrrrrrr10:32
foobarry?10:33
foobarrystorm bugs?10:33
MooDoonigelb: little bugs10:33
foobarrystormflies10:33
MooDooon the inside of your lcd display10:33
Myrttihttp://www.instructables.com/id/Laptop-Monitor-Thrip-Removal/10:33
foobarryhave you been using your laptop outside?10:33
MooDoobloomin thinkgs10:33
Myrttiaw goddamnit10:34
Myrttiit died.10:34
MooDoobugger10:34
Myrttifoobarry: open window is enough10:34
* Myrtti goes to curse outside10:35
funkyHatThrips are drawn to cursing10:40
MooDooooo I'm catchin up to davmor2 in the ubuntu irc stats.....coming for ya! lol10:48
davmor2MooDoo: nope :)10:50
MooDoodavmor2: sorry man, I'll shut up now10:50
davmor2I don't believe there are stats10:50
MooDoocheck this out - http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html10:50
brobostigon:)10:50
davmor2MooDoo: oh shiny10:51
MooDooyeah, I look at it once in awhile, and you'll be happy to know my home server is now ubuntu LTS!10:51
awilkinsHah, I was 26th10:55
MooDoolol10:57
diddledanmorning11:19
MooDoomorning diddledan11:19
foobarryi'm running my microserver off a usb stick. doesn't seem happy :(11:23
foobarrywhat are you others doing?11:23
MooDooI'm running a dell r200 with ubuntu lts,11:23
diplofoobarry, Microserver with a 250gb root drive and some raided other drives for storage11:34
foobarrydiplo: are you near it? would u be able to run hdparm -t /dev/sda to tset the root drive speed please11:34
diploI can remotely login, 2 ticks11:35
foobarrymucho thanks11:35
foobarrythe hdparm is fast for me11:35
foobarrybut it almot seems to go into usb sleep11:35
diploDisk reads 304mb in 3secs = 101.20 mb/sec11:36
foobarryi get 125MB/s..but weird lag11:37
diploOdd11:37
foobarrylike the lag on a live CD11:37
foobarrycos the disk is spinning up11:37
davmor2MooDoo: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?12:08
diddledandavmor2: all of it12:16
DJonesDear Oracle I do not, and never have wanted to install the browser add-on from Ask, please stop asking me everytime you fix a bug & update java12:20
MooDoodavmor2: chuck off12:27
diddledanchuck me12:28
diddledan:-p12:29
nigelbI can't believe ask still exists12:29
diddledanif someone can chuck me I'd be mightily impressed12:29
diddledan<-- lots of lbs12:30
MooDoodiddledan: me too :D12:51
diddledan\o/12:53
diddledanof course if ever there was a war between skinny and not skinny I think the not-skinny would win, because we can just sit on the enemy :-p12:55
MooDoodiddledan: I'm rather tall too :)12:55
diddledanI'm fairly tall - around 6ft to 6"1'12:56
MooDoo6'6 here12:56
diddledanI never know exactly but somewhere about that12:56
awilkinsDJones, If you install the JDK they don't pull that rubbish on updates13:12
bigcalmRAT people - what time do you fancy meeting up at The Mulberry on Saturday?13:16
bigcalmpopey, AlanBell, Dave2, czajkowski?13:18
Dave2Dunno. I'm going to be in Southend on Sea, so not too early.13:19
Dave2Utterly stupid journey I'm doing13:19
bigcalmDave2: as long as you get there in time for the RAT :)13:19
Dave2Of course.13:19
Dave2I've figured out some trains that could get me there for 15:30 and still give me 4ish hours in Southend13:19
bigcalmErm13:19
bigcalmIt's not this Saturday13:19
czajkowskibigcalm: not sure ages away no ?13:19
bigcalmI am an idiot13:20
Dave2Correct13:20
Dave2Not ages away13:20
Dave2Weekend after next13:20
bigcalm2nd August, week Saturday13:20
Dave2A pretty sensible time to set times.13:20
bigcalmYes :)13:20
Dave2Given that I'm going to be spending a lot of time on trains. Probably.13:21
Dave2err13:21
Dave2get me there for 17:3013:21
Dave2not 15:3013:21
Dave2(confusion because it's a 15:14 train I'd have to catch to do that)13:21
foobarryis there anything like this on linux? http://www.therenamer.com/13:23
diddledanfoobarry: I like how they insinuate that you're downloading pirated video :-p13:25
foobarrywhich i'm not :(13:26
diddledanfoobarry: it might work in wine?13:26
foobarrybut i'm naming them myself13:26
foobarryand its time consumpting13:26
foobarryit might, but i'm sure there's a OSS version13:26
foobarryhttp://alternativeto.net/software/movie-renamer/13:27
diddledancouch potato does it as you download, but that doesn't help with ripping your own discs13:27
foobarryeverything seems against the legal way13:28
diddledanor am I thinking sickbeard?13:28
foobarryi'm gonna do it legal though13:28
Myrttithunar has a mass renamer13:28
Myrttialso 'rename' is surprisingly good. And mc13:28
foobarryhttps://github.com/tvrenamer/tvrenamer13:29
foobarryMyrtti: this one is designed for tv shows13:29
foobarryso it names them correctly for plex media server to add to library13:30
foobarryand add the media info13:30
foobarrydiplo: is your 250gb root drive plugged into slot1?13:32
diploProbably, not 100% sure.. wonder if I can find that out.. never tried13:33
foobarryis it visible when you open the door?13:33
diploI've not opened it in 2+ years :)13:33
foobarrythere's a 4 drive bay13:34
diploIt's at home and I'm currently at work, can look tonight though13:34
foobarryno its no problem13:34
diploI thought you meant the slot1 sata slot13:34
foobarryhow many data disksk u have?13:34
diploProbably is in slot 1 of the drive bay, but can't 100% it.. 2 x 4tb13:34
diplo2tb*13:34
foobarry /home on the data or root?13:35
diploroot13:35
foobarryroot is unraided..13:35
diploJust /srv is on the data drives13:35
diployeah :)13:35
diploIt was a quick setup to change in a couple of months :)13:35
foobarryi could find 2 x 20gb drives to raid13:36
diploNever got round to it, and ran out of cash to buy more drives13:36
foobarrythts the thing, i don't wanna spend more money on powerline plugs and SSDs13:36
diplotbh if it dies I'll just reinstall on a new drive, really not that worried.. backup /etc and that is about it13:36
diploNo need for SSD's for me in it. It sits there idle a lot of the time and nothing I do on it really taxes it13:37
diplobrb13:37
foobarryhoping that once services are running then i won't have slowness13:37
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diploMaybe, never tried running on a usb stick permanently ever13:42
Czechtoncan anyone help with the error "grub-install /dev/sda failed"?13:53
awilkinsCzechton, Is there a virus protection feature in your BIOS?13:54
Czechtonits on a c720 chromebook13:54
Czechtonbut seabios is enabled13:54
awilkinsNo idea then13:54
Czechtonand plenty of other people have managed to install linux on it13:54
MooDoohttp://raywaldo.com/2013/01/howto-ubuntu-on-chromebook/13:56
Czechtoni already enablked seabios using chromeOS and then installed a totally new drive with no os on it13:59
Czechtonnow I'm trying to install ubuntu on that and thats when i get this error13:59
Czechtonbut maybe chrome is needs to exist for the MBR to be modified??14:00
Czechtonthis is the relevent bit of the syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/7830399/14:02
diddledanit looks like you might have not partitioned your disk?14:03
diddledanline 69 and 70 are the actual error14:04
Czechtonthere was an earlier installation step which supposedly did partition14:04
diddledanif your disk is entirely ubuntified there shouldn't be any FAT filesystems anywhere14:05
Czechtonhmm14:05
Czechtonunless the usb drive I'm booting in is FAT14:06
Czechtoncould that be it?14:06
diddledanthat would be fat. in which case you need to install the grub onto sdb14:06
Czechtonok14:07
diddledanif you're still in the live os without rebooting, you might be able to get away with "chroot /target grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb""14:07
diddledansudo may be required14:07
Czechtonso how ok i'll try that14:08
Czechton*ok I'll try that14:08
diddledan:-)14:08
diddledanif it complains that it can't run the command because it ain't there you'll need to mount your installation first14:08
Czechtonthe commad runs14:09
diddledandid it succeed?14:10
Czechtonthen i get "installing for i386-pc platform"14:10
Czechtonthen /proc/devices fopen failed: no such file or directory"14:10
Czechtonthen a bunch of "device not found"14:10
Czechtonthen a bunch more "/proc/devices fopen failed: no such file or directory"14:11
Czechtonthen "installation finished. no error reported"14:11
Czechtonno idea if that means it worked or not :/14:11
diddledanyou should be good to reboot now14:11
diddledan*cross fingers*14:11
Czechtonok lets see14:12
Czechton:)14:12
Czechtoni'm in a grub shell?14:13
diddledangrr14:13
diddledanok, that means grub installed but didn't get a config14:13
Czechtonwell i guess it means grub was sort of installed14:13
diddledantype the following:14:13
Czechtonyeh14:13
diddledanset root=(hd0,0)14:14
Czechtonok14:14
diddledanlinux /boot/vmlinuz<press tab> root=/dev/sdb114:14
diddledaninitrd /boot/initrd<press tab again>14:15
diddledanboot14:15
diddledanthe tab should either fill out the filename or prompt you with a list of available names - choose one and make sure the initrd is the same number14:15
Czechtonpressing tab just makes the same line appear again14:16
diddledanhmm14:16
diddledanok, probably easier to reboot back into the live disk and repair from there14:16
Czechtonk14:16
diddledanwhen it prompts you for "install" or "try" choose the try option14:17
diddledanthat way we get a fully functional desktop which we can use to repair the grub14:17
Czechtonah ok14:18
Czechtonwell i was trying to use ubunut minimal which sdoesnt have an ionbuilt desktop14:18
Czechtonbut i can just install one14:18
Czechtonmaybe i'll try and install with a fuller distro14:19
diddledanwhen you've loaded the live disk start a terminal and run: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7830489/ <-- I'm assuming you installed / into /dev/sdb1 and don't have a /boot partition14:20
diddledanif you have a /boot partition you'll need to amend the /dev/sdb1 to where you put root and add in a mount for /dev/sdb1 (if that's your boot partition) to /target/boot14:21
diddledanthe last command in that list is what configures grub's menu14:22
diddledanit scans available discs and kernels and makes a new grub.conf in /boot/grub/ which will set you up golden (hopefully)14:23
Czechtonweird14:25
Czechtontheres nothing in /target14:25
diddledandid you mount?14:25
Czechtonit failed saying "no such file or directory"14:26
diddledantry `ls -l /dev/sd??`14:26
Czechtonyeh there's only sda now14:26
Czechtonnot sure what happened to the sdb stuff that we made earlier14:27
diddledanI think that's probably a side-effect of the minimal installer - it needs to load the kernel module first14:27
Czechtonyeh i think i'll just try the full ubuntu installer14:27
Czechtonbut i need to go now14:28
Czechtonthanks for all the help14:28
Czechtoni'll keep this log in cade i run into the same issue on the full install14:28
diddledanyou're welcome to come back any time and someone will try to help, no doubt14:29
Czechtonyeh14:30
Czechtonthanks14:30
Czechton#ubunut-uk is much better than #ubuntu14:30
Czechtontoo many people in there14:30
diddledan:-)14:30
diddledanyeah it can get a bit unruly14:30
foobarrythis is an old mans pub. #ubuntu is a busy bar14:31
Czechtonheeh14:31
Czechton*hehe14:31
* diddledan pours a beer14:31
foobarryfree beer14:31
diddledanfree?!14:31
diddledanno wai14:31
Czechtoncool cool14:37
Czechtonsee you later old men14:37
bigcalmYou have the freedom to think about beer14:41
Myrttitoday in our series of redneck hacks at home: I taped some baking foil on outer side of the conservatory doors using masking tape stickies14:55
bigcalmCoated them in oil and now you're frying stuff vertically?14:58
Myrttiwell, the point is mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17t_Pf8vI4 this14:58
bigcalmYou want to blind some neighbours?14:59
MyrttiI don't give a damn about the neighbours at this stage of being a broiled Myrtti myself.15:00
bigcalmAh, it's to lure dreamy Prof. Cox?15:00
Myrttiyup.15:00
bigcalmAww15:00
Myrttiseriously though, I don't quite understand the previous tenants fascination of building a conservatory as a replacement for a backdoor and window for the kitchen.15:00
bigcalmI'm not looking forward to the earth rotating for another hour. That's when this office becomes like the Sun room in Sunshine15:01
Myrttiyeah well our conservatory is on eastern side of the house, without a shade for most of the day15:02
Myrttiand this end of the building is on the southern side15:03
davmor2bigcalm: you been to blists hill?15:03
Myrttiso all three outer walls are towards the sun15:03
bigcalmdavmor2: as a child. Keep meaning to go as an adult, keep forgetting to15:03
diddledanwow, I didn't know a kilowatt was the equivalent to 10x100Watt bulbs15:03
diddledan</sarcasm>15:03
davmor2bigcalm: We went last week great fun :)15:03
davmor2bigcalm: only complaint we had there was no cashpoint so unless you knew to take money you couldn't buy anything from the village itself :(15:04
bigcalmdiddledan: the programme is aimed at the lowest common denominator15:04
Myrttididdledan: well, it makes it more tangible...15:04
Myrttiliterally15:04
bigcalmYep15:04
diddledan:-p15:05
diddledanI do like ol' coxie tho15:05
davmor2diddledan: it makes it more visible......to be honest that many bulbs in a small place you'll be lucky to see again ;)15:06
bigcalmdavmor2: where they rolling iron bars?15:08
davmor2bigcalm: no I think that was the one bit that wasn't running that day.15:09
bigcalmShame, it's amazing to watch15:09
bigcalmDid you see candles being made?15:09
foobarryt=4; echo $t15:10
foobarryhow can i get bash to echo the result of $t+415:10
foobarryt=4; echo "$(($t+4))"15:12
foobarrythanks foobarry15:12
Myrttihey fellas15:12
Myrttihave you noticed15:12
Myrttifoobarry talks to himself.15:12
foobarryits perfectly normal15:13
bigcalmHeh15:13
foobarryon irc15:13
bigcalmIRC makes for a good rubber duck15:13
bigcalmHere comes the sun!15:17
foobarryshame the bot doesn't talk bash15:17
* diddledan sings "here comes the sun. do dun doo dun"15:19
bigcalmWhish I could do: git branch -d v1.4.0_*15:19
MyrttiRUN, RUN TO THE HILLS15:19
diddledanhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6j4TGqVl5g15:19
bigcalmRun to the caves I'd say15:20
diddledanbigcalm: your fault15:20
Myrttihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsfUwnm_rg15:20
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Myrttioooh http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/announcements/imitation-game-will-open-58th-bfi-london-film-festival15:23
diddledankiera knightly is lush15:25
bigcalmMyrtti: that was nice15:25
Myrttiunsurprisingly I didn't even notice her15:25
Myrtti*cough*15:25
diddledanMyrtti: too busy looking at benedict?15:25
Myrttiof course not. I kept my eyes on the Bombes ;-)15:26
MyrttiBomberfink Cryptoglomp15:27
diddledanI can't get the video to play :-(15:27
bigcalmWorked for me in Chromium15:28
diddledandoesn't work in chrome (sans mium) on either my mac nor my ubuntu15:28
foobarryKN is overated IMO15:30
diddledanworks in firefox on ubuntu tho15:30
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diddledanmust be something wrong with the google-endorsed version of flash for the ppapi15:32
foobarrydoesn't it use html5?15:35
diddledannot in chrome it odesn't15:37
awilkinsIn Firefox it's a <video> tag15:37
diddledanin chrome it's flash15:37
bigcalmLooks like I don't have Flash installed for Chromium. Going to youtube.com shows: Adobe Flash Player is required to display some elements on this page.15:38
awilkinsStick this in a VLC instance : http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/p/857922/sp/85792200/playManifest/entryId/1_yhi0s4xp/flavorId/1_8i9n0gx4/format/url/protocol/http/a.mp4?ks=YmQ4MjIzNzRkM2ZhNzllYjZkZjBkMTU5MTViMjk1YmVkMDg5NmYzYXw4NTc5MjI7ODU3OTIyOzE0MDYwNDI1NTA7MDsxNDA1OTU2MTUwLjI3NzswO3ZpZXc6Kix3aWRnZXQ6MTs7&referrer=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iZmkub3JnLnVr15:38
diddledanthat loads in chrome15:39
awilkinsNot watching the vid, but the still ... well, even I think Benedict is looking hotter than Kiera15:39
awilkinsNot really a Knightley kinda guy though15:40
foobarrymy wife thinks benedict is overatted too15:40
diddledanI've bene in love with kiera forever15:40
diddledanbeen*15:40
awilkinsI had a real crush on Karen Allen in Starman15:41
foobarry^Allen^Gillen15:41
foobarry^starman^drwho15:42
diddledanlol15:42
foobarry^real^not real15:42
awilkinsActually really rate JL Coleman15:42
foobarrythey have a knack of choosing pretty girls for dr who15:43
foobarryconsidering yewtree are after the dr15:43
awilkinsAlthough Karen did  manage to stimulate my slight penchant for redheads15:43
foobarryoh...linkedin have reset their spam settings15:56
foobarrynow i'm getting spam again from them15:56
diddledanI get emails all the time from linkedin16:08
davmor2bigcalm: you breaking stuff again, you really need to join QA you know :)16:25
bigcalm?16:26
davmor2bigcalm: you either broke chromium or flash16:26
davmor2bigcalm: sorry ignoring irc mostly today E:TOO_MANY_EMAILS16:26
bigcalmdavmor2: it works for me, I broke nothing16:29
davmor2bigcalm: oh okay16:31
davmor2MooDoo: Oh slacker boy, when do you start working again, and do you have regular hours at the new job rather than all over the place hours?16:32
mappshello all17:00
davmor2hello mapps17:03
mappswhats up17:03
mapps:D17:03
mappsdone my days tasks..shopping and weeding ..exciting day off;D17:03
davmor2Myrtti: My wife is a knitter and the campsite we were on had some alpaca's nearby so we went and fed them and she picked up some Wool while she was there £18 for 100grams I nearly died of shock but she was quite happy :)17:07
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MyrttiI pay for artisan dyed pure merino about that per 10017:08
davmor2Myrtti: oh this was proper artisan.  They have about 20 alpaca's so they don't produce much wool, it's spun locally and sent back to them, they have a spinning class but that wool is never consistent enough for sale.  Quite a nice set up they have to be honest :)17:12
Myrttiah, so it was already spun? then I'm not surprised at all at that price17:12
davmor2Myrtti: ofcourse being a knitter She needed a lot of balls for a jumper17:13
Myrttikilo and a half?17:13
Myrttiless?17:13
davmor2No 6 balls is enough at 100grams for her, but still not cheap :)17:14
davmor2kilo plus would be a jumper for me with long sleeves17:14
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davmor2czajkowski: where in the world are you this week18:44
diddledanlol18:47
czajkowskidavmor2: home18:47
czajkowskiuntil tomorrow then I'm off to Munich18:47
diddledanczajkowski: do you ever sit still? :-p18:48
davmor2diddledan: yeah in planes and airports for hours18:49
mappsdeciding where im gonna go next year now:D19:30
mappsmoscow!19:30
diddledannext year? I haven't gone anywhere this year19:33
mappsbeen czech rep this year..riga in 3 weeks..ibiza september 20th19:34
mappsMOSCOW!19:34
mappsJanuary a flight from Gatwick 75 quid direct..return same19:34
mappsfigure thatd be somewherefun to go19:34
diddledancheap19:35
diddledanwhich airline?19:35
MyrttiRussia gives me the creepers19:35
Myrttibut I'm a Finn so it's inbuilt19:36
mappscant remember sec19:36
diddledanMyrtti: russia is fine as long as you aren't known to associate with anyone like me that will state in a public media like this that putin is a nutjob19:36
diddledanoh19:36
diddledanhmm. did I just ruin it all for you?19:37
Myrttiwell... a tiny bit19:37
mappsand its moscow19:37
Myrttimapps: time to have the visa sorted then19:37
mappsnot a tiny part of moscow19:37
mappsso i think moscow would be ok19:37
MyrttiSt. Petersburg I'd distantly even understand as a place you'd want to go19:38
Myrttinot that I'd go there myself19:38
Myrttibut Moscow, no.19:38
mappswhy19:38
mappsmoscow is meant to be great19:38
foobarrybeen to both19:39
diddledanI've got a hankering to watch mission: impossible 4 again19:39
diddledanor was it 5?19:39
diddledanI lost track19:39
foobarrymoscow was grey and snowy/wet. leningrad was grey/snow/wet19:39
foobarry1990. glasnost, perestroika etc19:40
mappsgood time foobarry?19:40
diddledanfoobarry: did you try the Chernobyl tour?19:40
diddledanfoobarry: I've heard it's illuminating (in a green glow)19:41
diddledancrazy that I had to google for the name Chernobyl. all I could pull out of my brian was fukishima19:42
Myrttifoobarry: Hermitage, State Russian Museum, Mariinsky, Saint Isaac's Cathedral19:42
Myrttieh, wrong person, that was for mapps19:43
foobarrywhen was cherno?19:43
diddledanfoobarry: 57?19:43
Myrttithe only places I can think from the top of my head I'd like to see in Moscow is Red Square, the church next to it, and the mausoleum, which is next to it too.19:43
Myrttiwhat19:43
Myrtti57?19:44
foobarryour moscow hotel wobbled in the wind19:44
mappswhat about those places yu mentioned Myrtti19:44
Myrttimy god years have flown19:44
mappslol foobarry19:44
foobarrysaw red sq, lenin, hermitage, kremlin, snow, mcD's (newly opened)19:44
MyrttiI thought I was only 34 and I remember when it happened.19:44
foobarryhotel, coach , bereyozhka19:44
Myrttibut I suppose few decades must've flown by so fast...19:44
diddledan86**19:45
diddledanI can't count19:45
diddledanI saw an unrelated google autocomplete that said 57 so assumpted it was that19:46
mappsbereyozhka?19:46
diddledanhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster19:47
foobarrymapps: bereyozhka were shops that only tourists were allowed to shop in19:50
foobarryregular russians weren't allowed in19:50
foobarryto buy levi's and coca cola etc19:51
czajkowskidavmor2: :p19:55
mappslol what the hell foobarry20:15
mappsnot like that anymore i guess?20:16
diddledanrussia is capitalist again now20:16
mappshowcome those shops were allowed20:18
mappseven to sell to tourists20:19
diddledanbecause the government controlled them20:19
Myrttito get foreign money20:20
Myrttiforeign currency20:20
Myrttiyou see20:20
mappsah20:22
mappswhy would they want foreign currency or is that a silly question20:22
foobarryit was to control the population, and not let them see that you could buy western things20:23
foobarrythe rouble was not allowed to be taken out of the USSR20:23
mappsoh20:24
Myrttimapps: to buy stuff from abroad, of course.20:26
Myrttinot that many countries were interested in doing trading for nuclear powerstations and such.20:27
Myrttior if they were, it wasn't widely publicised20:27
Myrtticase in point: deBeers20:27
mappsah20:30
Myrttiprobably more like a money laundering operation of a kind ;-)20:32
Myrttihide where the dollars came from by having a facade of tourist money20:33
foobarrydollars had big buying power against the rouble20:53
foobarrywhich plumeeted in value20:53
foobarryhmm20:53
foobarrycan't see my tv shows in plex server20:53
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=== Lcawte is now known as Lcawte|Away
mappswhat to watch23:19
mapps;]23:19
n1md4hi.23:40
n1md4... actually, nm.  thatks :)23:41
diddledanglad I could help23:43

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