[05:53] <MooDoo> morning all
[05:58] <mapps> hey
[05:58] <mapps> sup MooDoo
[06:08] <MooDoo> yo mapps
[06:09] <mapps> hey
[06:09] <mapps> g'day
[06:09] <mapps> :D
[07:57] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:57] <MooDoo> morning brobostigon and how are you this morning?
[07:58] <brobostigon> morning MooDoo , not bad, and you?
[08:00] <MooDoo> hello brobostigon yes I'm good thanks :D
[08:01] <brobostigon> :)
[08:11] <selinuxium> Morning all   o/
[08:15] <MooDoo> moring selinuxium
[08:22] <foobarry> brobostigon is unusually early
[08:22] <brobostigon> didnt sleep properly due to this heat,
[08:23] <foobarry> my son had the biggest tantrum of the year so far at 7am
[08:23] <brobostigon> :(
[08:24] <foobarry> calmed down by time i left for work but fetl sorry for wifey
[08:24] <foobarry> wife threatened to rip up one of his books
[08:25] <foobarry> so anyway, has anyone tried running linux which has been instaleld onto usb stick ?
[08:25] <foobarry> hdparm speed is good, but other things are sluggish
[08:25] <brobostigon> linux as in kernel, or linux as in linux distro?
[08:26] <MooDoo> Only Fedora on a usb stick
[08:27] <foobarry> ubuntu server -> usb
[08:27] <foobarry> tab complete is slow the first time
[08:28] <foobarry> i understand writes are quite slow
[08:28] <foobarry> but reads i thought would be OK
[08:45] <diplo> Morning all
[08:47] <MooDoo> morning diplo
[09:00] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Monday and happy Get Out of the Doghouse Day! :-D
[09:47] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[09:49] <nigelb> g24
[09:51] <bigcalm> New SSDs have arrived. Really want to waste my day installing and moving data
[09:51] <bigcalm> Humf
[09:55] <selinuxium> :)
[09:55] <selinuxium> bigcalm, the joy of migration...
[09:56] <MooDoo> I'm moving all my websites, there is about 14 of them, that sucks.
[09:57] <MooDoo> one of the disadvantages of working for a hosting company, when you leave you have to start paying lol
[10:05] <nigelb> lol
[10:07] <Myrtti> you know, I always try to keep my personal websites and others too specifically on somewhere that I need to pay for it
[10:07] <nigelb> ^
[10:09] <Myrtti> and I think I'd make a specific point to make sure that they're hosted by !workplace
[10:09] <MooDoo> I can't afford the hosting with someone else, I have about 20 sites, so self hosting them works fine
[10:09] <MooDoo> Myrtti: I'm moving jobs so I loose the free hosting lol
[10:13] <Myrtti> MooDoo: dreamhost or something with multisite support maybe? there are some relatively cheap ones, I'm told. Anyway I'm not saying that selfhosting is a bad idea, I'm just saying that if I worked for a hosting company, I'd make a specific point of either using a competitor, or selfhost, or whatever, just so you don't have the hassle of dealing with your own stuff with multiple hats on
[10:14] <MooDoo> Myrtti: yeah if my server doesn't hack it or I have too many connection issues, then I'll look into paid hosting, although it's a cost I could do with ou
[10:14] <MooDoo> out
[10:14] <nigelb> g28
[10:15] <Myrtti> and there's been moments when I've specifically changed hosting companies because I wanted to pay for the service
[10:22] <MooDoo> I'll stick to hosting and hope virgin is up to it lol
[10:23] <nigelb> just use digital ocean?
[10:23] <nigelb> if they're not huge sites, one server should be able to take the load.
[10:23] <MooDoo> yeah I was looking at them the other day, but my r200 is up to it....and there are no mission critical sites on there.
[10:24] <nigelb> :)
[10:24] <Myrtti> I hate thrips ;______________________________;
[10:24] <nigelb> our local ISPs prohibit running a website locally.
[10:24] <MooDoo> bummer. it's quite handy for me, i just have to make sure it's not down lol
[10:25] <Myrtti> I'm literally in tears over these damned things
[10:25] <MooDoo> if i disappear from irc, then my server is down lol
[10:26] <nigelb> hah
[10:26] <Myrtti> the only reason I'm running my main IRC client on vps I admin myself is because freenode staffdom
[10:26] <Myrtti> otherwise I'd use a shellservice
[10:27] <Myrtti> (which hosts my other irc connections which I connect to, my websites etc)
[10:27] <MooDoo> Myrtti: I provide shell access to a few people....they don't do much apart from use irssi
[10:29] <Myrtti> .... please don't die there, please don't die there... God I hate thrips. With the hate of thousand suns.
[10:31] <nigelb> Myrtti: what are they doing?
[10:31] <nigelb> triggering allergies or eating your plants?
[10:31] <Myrtti> inside my laptop display
[10:31] <nigelb> @_@
[10:31] <nigelb> I... wha... how...
[10:32] <MooDoo> Myrtti: omg i got one the other day......grrrrrrrr
[10:33] <foobarry> ?
[10:33] <foobarry> storm bugs?
[10:33] <MooDoo> nigelb: little bugs
[10:33] <foobarry> stormflies
[10:33] <MooDoo> on the inside of your lcd display
[10:33] <Myrtti> http://www.instructables.com/id/Laptop-Monitor-Thrip-Removal/
[10:33] <foobarry> have you been using your laptop outside?
[10:33] <MooDoo> bloomin thinkgs
[10:34] <Myrtti> aw goddamnit
[10:34] <Myrtti> it died.
[10:34] <MooDoo> bugger
[10:34] <Myrtti> foobarry: open window is enough
[10:35]  * Myrtti goes to curse outside
[10:40] <funkyHat> Thrips are drawn to cursing
[10:48] <MooDoo> ooo I'm catchin up to davmor2 in the ubuntu irc stats.....coming for ya! lol
[10:50] <davmor2> MooDoo: nope :)
[10:50] <MooDoo> davmor2: sorry man, I'll shut up now
[10:50] <davmor2> I don't believe there are stats
[10:50] <MooDoo> check this out - http://taylorworld.me.uk/ubuntu-uk.html
[10:50] <brobostigon> :)
[10:51] <davmor2> MooDoo: oh shiny
[10:51] <MooDoo> yeah, I look at it once in awhile, and you'll be happy to know my home server is now ubuntu LTS!
[10:55] <awilkins> Hah, I was 26th
[10:57] <MooDoo> lol
[11:19] <diddledan> morning
[11:19] <MooDoo> morning diddledan
[11:23] <foobarry> i'm running my microserver off a usb stick. doesn't seem happy :(
[11:23] <foobarry> what are you others doing?
[11:23] <MooDoo> I'm running a dell r200 with ubuntu lts,
[11:34] <diplo> foobarry, Microserver with a 250gb root drive and some raided other drives for storage
[11:34] <foobarry> diplo: are you near it? would u be able to run hdparm -t /dev/sda to tset the root drive speed please
[11:35] <diplo> I can remotely login, 2 ticks
[11:35] <foobarry> mucho thanks
[11:35] <foobarry> the hdparm is fast for me
[11:35] <foobarry> but it almot seems to go into usb sleep
[11:36] <diplo> Disk reads 304mb in 3secs = 101.20 mb/sec
[11:37] <foobarry> i get 125MB/s..but weird lag
[11:37] <diplo> Odd
[11:37] <foobarry> like the lag on a live CD
[11:37] <foobarry> cos the disk is spinning up
[12:08] <davmor2> MooDoo: How much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood?
[12:16] <diddledan> davmor2: all of it
[12:20] <DJones> Dear Oracle I do not, and never have wanted to install the browser add-on from Ask, please stop asking me everytime you fix a bug & update java
[12:27] <MooDoo> davmor2: chuck off
[12:28] <diddledan> chuck me
[12:29] <diddledan> :-p
[12:29] <nigelb> I can't believe ask still exists
[12:29] <diddledan> if someone can chuck me I'd be mightily impressed
[12:30] <diddledan> <-- lots of lbs
[12:51] <MooDoo> diddledan: me too :D
[12:53] <diddledan> \o/
[12:55] <diddledan> of course if ever there was a war between skinny and not skinny I think the not-skinny would win, because we can just sit on the enemy :-p
[12:55] <MooDoo> diddledan: I'm rather tall too :)
[12:56] <diddledan> I'm fairly tall - around 6ft to 6"1'
[12:56] <MooDoo> 6'6 here
[12:56] <diddledan> I never know exactly but somewhere about that
[13:12] <awilkins> DJones, If you install the JDK they don't pull that rubbish on updates
[13:16] <bigcalm> RAT people - what time do you fancy meeting up at The Mulberry on Saturday?
[13:18] <bigcalm> popey, AlanBell, Dave2, czajkowski?
[13:19] <Dave2> Dunno. I'm going to be in Southend on Sea, so not too early.
[13:19] <Dave2> Utterly stupid journey I'm doing
[13:19] <bigcalm> Dave2: as long as you get there in time for the RAT :)
[13:19] <Dave2> Of course.
[13:19] <Dave2> I've figured out some trains that could get me there for 15:30 and still give me 4ish hours in Southend
[13:19] <bigcalm> Erm
[13:19] <bigcalm> It's not this Saturday
[13:19] <czajkowski> bigcalm: not sure ages away no ?
[13:20] <bigcalm> I am an idiot
[13:20] <Dave2> Correct
[13:20] <Dave2> Not ages away
[13:20] <Dave2> Weekend after next
[13:20] <bigcalm> 2nd August, week Saturday
[13:20] <Dave2> A pretty sensible time to set times.
[13:20] <bigcalm> Yes :)
[13:21] <Dave2> Given that I'm going to be spending a lot of time on trains. Probably.
[13:21] <Dave2> err
[13:21] <Dave2> get me there for 17:30
[13:21] <Dave2> not 15:30
[13:21] <Dave2> (confusion because it's a 15:14 train I'd have to catch to do that)
[13:23] <foobarry> is there anything like this on linux? http://www.therenamer.com/
[13:25] <diddledan> foobarry: I like how they insinuate that you're downloading pirated video :-p
[13:26] <foobarry> which i'm not :(
[13:26] <diddledan> foobarry: it might work in wine?
[13:26] <foobarry> but i'm naming them myself
[13:26] <foobarry> and its time consumpting
[13:26] <foobarry> it might, but i'm sure there's a OSS version
[13:27] <foobarry> http://alternativeto.net/software/movie-renamer/
[13:27] <diddledan> couch potato does it as you download, but that doesn't help with ripping your own discs
[13:28] <foobarry> everything seems against the legal way
[13:28] <diddledan> or am I thinking sickbeard?
[13:28] <foobarry> i'm gonna do it legal though
[13:28] <Myrtti> thunar has a mass renamer
[13:28] <Myrtti> also 'rename' is surprisingly good. And mc
[13:29] <foobarry> https://github.com/tvrenamer/tvrenamer
[13:29] <foobarry> Myrtti: this one is designed for tv shows
[13:30] <foobarry> so it names them correctly for plex media server to add to library
[13:30] <foobarry> and add the media info
[13:32] <foobarry> diplo: is your 250gb root drive plugged into slot1?
[13:33] <diplo> Probably, not 100% sure.. wonder if I can find that out.. never tried
[13:33] <foobarry> is it visible when you open the door?
[13:33] <diplo> I've not opened it in 2+ years :)
[13:34] <foobarry> there's a 4 drive bay
[13:34] <diplo> It's at home and I'm currently at work, can look tonight though
[13:34] <foobarry> no its no problem
[13:34] <diplo> I thought you meant the slot1 sata slot
[13:34] <foobarry> how many data disksk u have?
[13:34] <diplo> Probably is in slot 1 of the drive bay, but can't 100% it.. 2 x 4tb
[13:34] <diplo> 2tb*
[13:35] <foobarry>  /home on the data or root?
[13:35] <diplo> root
[13:35] <foobarry> root is unraided..
[13:35] <diplo> Just /srv is on the data drives
[13:35] <diplo> yeah :)
[13:35] <diplo> It was a quick setup to change in a couple of months :)
[13:36] <foobarry> i could find 2 x 20gb drives to raid
[13:36] <diplo> Never got round to it, and ran out of cash to buy more drives
[13:36] <foobarry> thts the thing, i don't wanna spend more money on powerline plugs and SSDs
[13:36] <diplo> tbh if it dies I'll just reinstall on a new drive, really not that worried.. backup /etc and that is about it
[13:37] <diplo> No need for SSD's for me in it. It sits there idle a lot of the time and nothing I do on it really taxes it
[13:37] <diplo> brb
[13:37] <foobarry> hoping that once services are running then i won't have slowness
[13:42] <diplo> Maybe, never tried running on a usb stick permanently ever
[13:53] <Czechton> can anyone help with the error "grub-install /dev/sda failed"?
[13:54] <awilkins> Czechton, Is there a virus protection feature in your BIOS?
[13:54] <Czechton> its on a c720 chromebook
[13:54] <Czechton> but seabios is enabled
[13:54] <awilkins> No idea then
[13:54] <Czechton> and plenty of other people have managed to install linux on it
[13:56] <MooDoo> http://raywaldo.com/2013/01/howto-ubuntu-on-chromebook/
[13:59] <Czechton> i already enablked seabios using chromeOS and then installed a totally new drive with no os on it
[13:59] <Czechton> now I'm trying to install ubuntu on that and thats when i get this error
[14:00] <Czechton> but maybe chrome is needs to exist for the MBR to be modified??
[14:02] <Czechton> this is the relevent bit of the syslog http://paste.ubuntu.com/7830399/
[14:03] <diddledan> it looks like you might have not partitioned your disk?
[14:04] <diddledan> line 69 and 70 are the actual error
[14:04] <Czechton> there was an earlier installation step which supposedly did partition
[14:05] <diddledan> if your disk is entirely ubuntified there shouldn't be any FAT filesystems anywhere
[14:05] <Czechton> hmm
[14:06] <Czechton> unless the usb drive I'm booting in is FAT
[14:06] <Czechton> could that be it?
[14:06] <diddledan> that would be fat. in which case you need to install the grub onto sdb
[14:07] <Czechton> ok
[14:07] <diddledan> if you're still in the live os without rebooting, you might be able to get away with "chroot /target grub-install  --force "/dev/sdb""
[14:07] <diddledan> sudo may be required
[14:08] <Czechton> so how ok i'll try that
[14:08] <Czechton> *ok I'll try that
[14:08] <diddledan> :-)
[14:08] <diddledan> if it complains that it can't run the command because it ain't there you'll need to mount your installation first
[14:09] <Czechton> the commad runs
[14:10] <diddledan> did it succeed?
[14:10] <Czechton> then i get "installing for i386-pc platform"
[14:10] <Czechton> then /proc/devices fopen failed: no such file or directory"
[14:10] <Czechton> then a bunch of "device not found"
[14:11] <Czechton> then a bunch more "/proc/devices fopen failed: no such file or directory"
[14:11] <Czechton> then "installation finished. no error reported"
[14:11] <Czechton> no idea if that means it worked or not :/
[14:11] <diddledan> you should be good to reboot now
[14:11] <diddledan> *cross fingers*
[14:12] <Czechton> ok lets see
[14:12] <Czechton> :)
[14:13] <Czechton> i'm in a grub shell?
[14:13] <diddledan> grr
[14:13] <diddledan> ok, that means grub installed but didn't get a config
[14:13] <Czechton> well i guess it means grub was sort of installed
[14:13] <diddledan> type the following:
[14:13] <Czechton> yeh
[14:14] <diddledan> set root=(hd0,0)
[14:14] <Czechton> ok
[14:14] <diddledan> linux /boot/vmlinuz<press tab> root=/dev/sdb1
[14:15] <diddledan> initrd /boot/initrd<press tab again>
[14:15] <diddledan> boot
[14:15] <diddledan> the tab should either fill out the filename or prompt you with a list of available names - choose one and make sure the initrd is the same number
[14:16] <Czechton> pressing tab just makes the same line appear again
[14:16] <diddledan> hmm
[14:16] <diddledan> ok, probably easier to reboot back into the live disk and repair from there
[14:16] <Czechton> k
[14:17] <diddledan> when it prompts you for "install" or "try" choose the try option
[14:17] <diddledan> that way we get a fully functional desktop which we can use to repair the grub
[14:18] <Czechton> ah ok
[14:18] <Czechton> well i was trying to use ubunut minimal which sdoesnt have an ionbuilt desktop
[14:18] <Czechton> but i can just install one
[14:19] <Czechton> maybe i'll try and install with a fuller distro
[14:20] <diddledan> when you've loaded the live disk start a terminal and run: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7830489/ <-- I'm assuming you installed / into /dev/sdb1 and don't have a /boot partition
[14:21] <diddledan> if you have a /boot partition you'll need to amend the /dev/sdb1 to where you put root and add in a mount for /dev/sdb1 (if that's your boot partition) to /target/boot
[14:22] <diddledan> the last command in that list is what configures grub's menu
[14:23] <diddledan> it scans available discs and kernels and makes a new grub.conf in /boot/grub/ which will set you up golden (hopefully)
[14:25] <Czechton> weird
[14:25] <Czechton> theres nothing in /target
[14:25] <diddledan> did you mount?
[14:26] <Czechton> it failed saying "no such file or directory"
[14:26] <diddledan> try `ls -l /dev/sd??`
[14:26] <Czechton> yeh there's only sda now
[14:27] <Czechton> not sure what happened to the sdb stuff that we made earlier
[14:27] <diddledan> I think that's probably a side-effect of the minimal installer - it needs to load the kernel module first
[14:27] <Czechton> yeh i think i'll just try the full ubuntu installer
[14:28] <Czechton> but i need to go now
[14:28] <Czechton> thanks for all the help
[14:28] <Czechton> i'll keep this log in cade i run into the same issue on the full install
[14:29] <diddledan> you're welcome to come back any time and someone will try to help, no doubt
[14:30] <Czechton> yeh
[14:30] <Czechton> thanks
[14:30] <Czechton> #ubunut-uk is much better than #ubuntu
[14:30] <Czechton> too many people in there
[14:30] <diddledan> :-)
[14:30] <diddledan> yeah it can get a bit unruly
[14:31] <foobarry> this is an old mans pub. #ubuntu is a busy bar
[14:31] <Czechton> heeh
[14:31] <Czechton> *hehe
[14:31]  * diddledan pours a beer
[14:31] <foobarry> free beer
[14:31] <diddledan> free?!
[14:31] <diddledan> no wai
[14:37] <Czechton> cool cool
[14:37] <Czechton> see you later old men
[14:41] <bigcalm> You have the freedom to think about beer
[14:55] <Myrtti> today in our series of redneck hacks at home: I taped some baking foil on outer side of the conservatory doors using masking tape stickies
[14:58] <bigcalm> Coated them in oil and now you're frying stuff vertically?
[14:58] <Myrtti> well, the point is mainly https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c17t_Pf8vI4 this
[14:59] <bigcalm> You want to blind some neighbours?
[15:00] <Myrtti> I don't give a damn about the neighbours at this stage of being a broiled Myrtti myself.
[15:00] <bigcalm> Ah, it's to lure dreamy Prof. Cox?
[15:00] <Myrtti> yup.
[15:00] <bigcalm> Aww
[15:00] <Myrtti> seriously though, I don't quite understand the previous tenants fascination of building a conservatory as a replacement for a backdoor and window for the kitchen.
[15:01] <bigcalm> I'm not looking forward to the earth rotating for another hour. That's when this office becomes like the Sun room in Sunshine
[15:02] <Myrtti> yeah well our conservatory is on eastern side of the house, without a shade for most of the day
[15:03] <Myrtti> and this end of the building is on the southern side
[15:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: you been to blists hill?
[15:03] <Myrtti> so all three outer walls are towards the sun
[15:03] <bigcalm> davmor2: as a child. Keep meaning to go as an adult, keep forgetting to
[15:03] <diddledan> wow, I didn't know a kilowatt was the equivalent to 10x100Watt bulbs
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[15:03] <davmor2> bigcalm: We went last week great fun :)
[15:04] <davmor2> bigcalm: only complaint we had there was no cashpoint so unless you knew to take money you couldn't buy anything from the village itself :(
[15:04] <bigcalm> diddledan: the programme is aimed at the lowest common denominator
[15:04] <Myrtti> diddledan: well, it makes it more tangible...
[15:04] <Myrtti> literally
[15:04] <bigcalm> Yep
[15:05] <diddledan> :-p
[15:05] <diddledan> I do like ol' coxie tho
[15:06] <davmor2> diddledan: it makes it more visible......to be honest that many bulbs in a small place you'll be lucky to see again ;)
[15:08] <bigcalm> davmor2: where they rolling iron bars?
[15:09] <davmor2> bigcalm: no I think that was the one bit that wasn't running that day.
[15:09] <bigcalm> Shame, it's amazing to watch
[15:09] <bigcalm> Did you see candles being made?
[15:10] <foobarry> t=4; echo $t
[15:10] <foobarry> how can i get bash to echo the result of $t+4
[15:12] <foobarry> t=4; echo "$(($t+4))"
[15:12] <foobarry> thanks foobarry
[15:12] <Myrtti> hey fellas
[15:12] <Myrtti> have you noticed
[15:12] <Myrtti> foobarry talks to himself.
[15:13] <foobarry> its perfectly normal
[15:13] <bigcalm> Heh
[15:13] <foobarry> on irc
[15:13] <bigcalm> IRC makes for a good rubber duck
[15:17] <bigcalm> Here comes the sun!
[15:17] <foobarry> shame the bot doesn't talk bash
[15:19]  * diddledan sings "here comes the sun. do dun doo dun"
[15:19] <bigcalm> Whish I could do: git branch -d v1.4.0_*
[15:19] <Myrtti> RUN, RUN TO THE HILLS
[15:19] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6j4TGqVl5g
[15:20] <bigcalm> Run to the caves I'd say
[15:20] <diddledan> bigcalm: your fault
[15:20] <Myrtti> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FsfUwnm_rg
[15:23] <Myrtti> oooh http://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/announcements/imitation-game-will-open-58th-bfi-london-film-festival
[15:25] <diddledan> kiera knightly is lush
[15:25] <bigcalm> Myrtti: that was nice
[15:25] <Myrtti> unsurprisingly I didn't even notice her
[15:25] <Myrtti> *cough*
[15:25] <diddledan> Myrtti: too busy looking at benedict?
[15:26] <Myrtti> of course not. I kept my eyes on the Bombes ;-)
[15:27] <Myrtti> Bomberfink Cryptoglomp
[15:27] <diddledan> I can't get the video to play :-(
[15:28] <bigcalm> Worked for me in Chromium
[15:28] <diddledan> doesn't work in chrome (sans mium) on either my mac nor my ubuntu
[15:30] <foobarry> KN is overated IMO
[15:30] <diddledan> works in firefox on ubuntu tho
[15:32] <diddledan> must be something wrong with the google-endorsed version of flash for the ppapi
[15:35] <foobarry> doesn't it use html5?
[15:37] <diddledan> not in chrome it odesn't
[15:37] <awilkins> In Firefox it's a <video> tag
[15:37] <diddledan> in chrome it's flash
[15:38] <bigcalm> Looks like I don't have Flash installed for Chromium. Going to youtube.com shows: Adobe Flash Player is required to display some elements on this page.
[15:38] <awilkins> Stick this in a VLC instance : http://cdnapi.kaltura.com/p/857922/sp/85792200/playManifest/entryId/1_yhi0s4xp/flavorId/1_8i9n0gx4/format/url/protocol/http/a.mp4?ks=YmQ4MjIzNzRkM2ZhNzllYjZkZjBkMTU5MTViMjk1YmVkMDg5NmYzYXw4NTc5MjI7ODU3OTIyOzE0MDYwNDI1NTA7MDsxNDA1OTU2MTUwLjI3NzswO3ZpZXc6Kix3aWRnZXQ6MTs7&referrer=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5iZmkub3JnLnVr
[15:39] <diddledan> that loads in chrome
[15:39] <awilkins> Not watching the vid, but the still ... well, even I think Benedict is looking hotter than Kiera
[15:40] <awilkins> Not really a Knightley kinda guy though
[15:40] <foobarry> my wife thinks benedict is overatted too
[15:40] <diddledan> I've bene in love with kiera forever
[15:40] <diddledan> been*
[15:41] <awilkins> I had a real crush on Karen Allen in Starman
[15:41] <foobarry> ^Allen^Gillen
[15:42] <foobarry> ^starman^drwho
[15:42] <diddledan> lol
[15:42] <foobarry> ^real^not real
[15:42] <awilkins> Actually really rate JL Coleman
[15:43] <foobarry> they have a knack of choosing pretty girls for dr who
[15:43] <foobarry> considering yewtree are after the dr
[15:43] <awilkins> Although Karen did  manage to stimulate my slight penchant for redheads
[15:56] <foobarry> oh...linkedin have reset their spam settings
[15:56] <foobarry> now i'm getting spam again from them
[16:08] <diddledan> I get emails all the time from linkedin
[16:25] <davmor2> bigcalm: you breaking stuff again, you really need to join QA you know :)
[16:26] <bigcalm> ?
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: you either broke chromium or flash
[16:26] <davmor2> bigcalm: sorry ignoring irc mostly today E:TOO_MANY_EMAILS
[16:29] <bigcalm> davmor2: it works for me, I broke nothing
[16:31] <davmor2> bigcalm: oh okay
[16:32] <davmor2> MooDoo: Oh slacker boy, when do you start working again, and do you have regular hours at the new job rather than all over the place hours?
[17:00] <mapps> hello all
[17:03] <davmor2> hello mapps
[17:03] <mapps> whats up
[17:03] <mapps> :D
[17:03] <mapps> done my days tasks..shopping and weeding ..exciting day off;D
[17:07] <davmor2> Myrtti: My wife is a knitter and the campsite we were on had some alpaca's nearby so we went and fed them and she picked up some Wool while she was there £18 for 100grams I nearly died of shock but she was quite happy :)
[17:08] <Myrtti> I pay for artisan dyed pure merino about that per 100
[17:12] <davmor2> Myrtti: oh this was proper artisan.  They have about 20 alpaca's so they don't produce much wool, it's spun locally and sent back to them, they have a spinning class but that wool is never consistent enough for sale.  Quite a nice set up they have to be honest :)
[17:12] <Myrtti> ah, so it was already spun? then I'm not surprised at all at that price
[17:13] <davmor2> Myrtti: ofcourse being a knitter She needed a lot of balls for a jumper
[17:13] <Myrtti> kilo and a half?
[17:13] <Myrtti> less?
[17:14] <davmor2> No 6 balls is enough at 100grams for her, but still not cheap :)
[17:14] <davmor2> kilo plus would be a jumper for me with long sleeves
[18:44] <davmor2> czajkowski: where in the world are you this week
[18:47] <diddledan> lol
[18:47] <czajkowski> davmor2: home
[18:47] <czajkowski> until tomorrow then I'm off to Munich
[18:48] <diddledan> czajkowski: do you ever sit still? :-p
[18:49] <davmor2> diddledan: yeah in planes and airports for hours
[19:30] <mapps> deciding where im gonna go next year now:D
[19:30] <mapps> moscow!
[19:33] <diddledan> next year? I haven't gone anywhere this year
[19:34] <mapps> been czech rep this year..riga in 3 weeks..ibiza september 20th
[19:34] <mapps> MOSCOW!
[19:34] <mapps> January a flight from Gatwick 75 quid direct..return same
[19:34] <mapps> figure thatd be somewherefun to go
[19:35] <diddledan> cheap
[19:35] <diddledan> which airline?
[19:35] <Myrtti> Russia gives me the creepers
[19:36] <Myrtti> but I'm a Finn so it's inbuilt
[19:36] <mapps> cant remember sec
[19:36] <diddledan> Myrtti: russia is fine as long as you aren't known to associate with anyone like me that will state in a public media like this that putin is a nutjob
[19:36] <diddledan> oh
[19:37] <diddledan> hmm. did I just ruin it all for you?
[19:37] <Myrtti> well... a tiny bit
[19:37] <mapps> and its moscow
[19:37] <Myrtti> mapps: time to have the visa sorted then
[19:37] <mapps> not a tiny part of moscow
[19:37] <mapps> so i think moscow would be ok
[19:38] <Myrtti> St. Petersburg I'd distantly even understand as a place you'd want to go
[19:38] <Myrtti> not that I'd go there myself
[19:38] <Myrtti> but Moscow, no.
[19:38] <mapps> why
[19:38] <mapps> moscow is meant to be great
[19:39] <foobarry> been to both
[19:39] <diddledan> I've got a hankering to watch mission: impossible 4 again
[19:39] <diddledan> or was it 5?
[19:39] <diddledan> I lost track
[19:39] <foobarry> moscow was grey and snowy/wet. leningrad was grey/snow/wet
[19:40] <foobarry> 1990. glasnost, perestroika etc
[19:40] <mapps> good time foobarry?
[19:40] <diddledan> foobarry: did you try the Chernobyl tour?
[19:41] <diddledan> foobarry: I've heard it's illuminating (in a green glow)
[19:42] <diddledan> crazy that I had to google for the name Chernobyl. all I could pull out of my brian was fukishima
[19:42] <Myrtti> foobarry: Hermitage, State Russian Museum, Mariinsky, Saint Isaac's Cathedral
[19:43] <Myrtti> eh, wrong person, that was for mapps
[19:43] <foobarry> when was cherno?
[19:43] <diddledan> foobarry: 57?
[19:43] <Myrtti> the only places I can think from the top of my head I'd like to see in Moscow is Red Square, the church next to it, and the mausoleum, which is next to it too.
[19:43] <Myrtti> what
[19:44] <Myrtti> 57?
[19:44] <foobarry> our moscow hotel wobbled in the wind
[19:44] <mapps> what about those places yu mentioned Myrtti
[19:44] <Myrtti> my god years have flown
[19:44] <mapps> lol foobarry
[19:44] <foobarry> saw red sq, lenin, hermitage, kremlin, snow, mcD's (newly opened)
[19:44] <Myrtti> I thought I was only 34 and I remember when it happened.
[19:44] <foobarry> hotel, coach , bereyozhka
[19:44] <Myrtti> but I suppose few decades must've flown by so fast...
[19:45] <diddledan> 86**
[19:45] <diddledan> I can't count
[19:46] <diddledan> I saw an unrelated google autocomplete that said 57 so assumpted it was that
[19:46] <mapps> bereyozhka?
[19:47] <diddledan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyshtym_disaster
[19:50] <foobarry> mapps: bereyozhka were shops that only tourists were allowed to shop in
[19:50] <foobarry> regular russians weren't allowed in
[19:51] <foobarry> to buy levi's and coca cola etc
[19:55] <czajkowski> davmor2: :p
[20:15] <mapps> lol what the hell foobarry
[20:16] <mapps> not like that anymore i guess?
[20:16] <diddledan> russia is capitalist again now
[20:18] <mapps> howcome those shops were allowed
[20:19] <mapps> even to sell to tourists
[20:19] <diddledan> because the government controlled them
[20:20] <Myrtti> to get foreign money
[20:20] <Myrtti> foreign currency
[20:20] <Myrtti> you see
[20:22] <mapps> ah
[20:22] <mapps> why would they want foreign currency or is that a silly question
[20:23] <foobarry> it was to control the population, and not let them see that you could buy western things
[20:23] <foobarry> the rouble was not allowed to be taken out of the USSR
[20:24] <mapps> oh
[20:26] <Myrtti> mapps: to buy stuff from abroad, of course.
[20:27] <Myrtti> not that many countries were interested in doing trading for nuclear powerstations and such.
[20:27] <Myrtti> or if they were, it wasn't widely publicised
[20:27] <Myrtti> case in point: deBeers
[20:30] <mapps> ah
[20:32] <Myrtti> probably more like a money laundering operation of a kind ;-)
[20:33] <Myrtti> hide where the dollars came from by having a facade of tourist money
[20:53] <foobarry> dollars had big buying power against the rouble
[20:53] <foobarry> which plumeeted in value
[20:53] <foobarry> hmm
[20:53] <foobarry> can't see my tv shows in plex server
[23:19] <mapps> what to watch
[23:19] <mapps> ;]
[23:40] <n1md4> hi.
[23:41] <n1md4> ... actually, nm.  thatks :)
[23:43] <diddledan> glad I could help