[04:51] morning [05:44] o/ oh hi [06:09] Morning everyone [06:16] More almal [06:20] afternoon~ [06:43] morning all [06:43] oh hi mazal, Cantide, Squirm [06:44] Maaz: seen kilos [06:44] nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 28 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-20 15:15:50 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-07-20 15:16:17 PDT [06:44] '-'/ [06:44] hello nuvolari, Cantide === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [06:53] Hello everyone [06:53] Plenty of kernel updates these days hey [06:55] morning peeps [06:57] time to scurry back to work! [06:57] 안녕! [07:11] morning all [07:11] Maaz: coffee on [07:11] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:15] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:16] Maaz: thanks [07:16] charl: Sure [07:19] oh hi charl :) [07:28] hi nuvolari [08:48] hi Vince-0 ThatGraemeGuy and others [08:50] o/ [08:50] 'lo Kilos [08:50] sjoe ThatGraemeGuy used over 400m on minetest yesterday [08:51] maybe must just mine after 11pm [08:53] haha tore up lots of my roof for the mv solar panels and they wouldnt connect, after about an hour of moving them and cables with no success i twigged they are lv panels [08:56] what a twit [09:00] now get real clever and make the game zip all data in and out to 1/4 its size then one can play lots [09:02] hi mazal inetpro [09:26] Oom I struggled a lot to figure out those electric networks [09:26] Eventually I found the correct info that [09:47] haha mazal i have my lv network working lekker and wantes the mv one for the toolbox [09:47] only didnt make mv panels [09:48] graeme showed me how [09:49] its just that each new thing needs so many others to make it work [10:09] Oom Kilos , I didn't know that the solar generator , switch stationa and battery packs must be in the air with cable connecting underneath it [10:09] Mine was all on flat surface and refused to work :P [10:15] lol [10:15] ya i spent hours trying to connect, actually days then graeme came and showed me how [10:16] also the most efficient height for them is at 35.4 [10:16] above you get no gain but below that you lose power [10:17] mazal, ^^ [10:18] ive got grinders compressors and electric furnace going [10:18] compressor make the carbon cloth stuff [10:21] i built a nuclear reactor core [10:21] and eventually after digging in the code realised you need a whole bunch of stuff surrounding it [10:21] or it will just explode [10:22] so you have the core [10:23] and it must be completly surrounded by water [10:23] and that is surrounded by stainless steel blocks [10:23] which is surrounded by blast-resistant concrete [10:23] and that is surrounded by concrete [10:24] so the whole thing's a 9x9x9 block structure [10:24] of pretty expensive stuff [10:24] so not anytime soon [10:26] Kilos: when you used over 400MB, how many times did you connect? [10:27] twice with bart and twice with me ThatGraemeGuy [10:27] mmm [10:27] i think most of the transfer is the initial connection [10:27] during play its quite light on data [10:28] or i might be wrong [10:28] do you have a tool to monitor by you , i use iftop and only keep irc pidgin and minetest running [10:29] and this month end i want to get a 1TB drive so no spare for data [10:29] My server uses 800mb average a day for two users [10:30] been buying 2 bundles and ian been giving one the last coupla months [10:30] Lemme check client side [10:30] i wonder if mine isnt charging up and download [10:31] heh man, Ive downloaded 17 terabytes worth of sourceforge crap in the last 5 days [10:31] takes forever [10:31] ThatGraemeGuy, when bart was mining down deep it used less than when he came to work in my house [10:31] Symmetria, why download crap? [10:32] only get usefull stuff man [10:32] Client side much less , 500mb also for two users [10:32] Symmetria: you building a sourceforge mirror ? [10:33] Kilos: i think he has to download everything if he wants a mirror, crap and everything else that comes with it [10:33] aha [10:34] Kilos: i don't have a tool, no [10:34] i don't need to care about how much data i use [10:34] unfortunately you're in a bit of a unique spot [10:34] lol [10:35] i used to go 2 months on a 2+1 bundle now need 3 bundles a month [10:43] who is that with? [10:44] and who all has good signal in your area? [10:48] with 8ta and only voda is good here as well, but 8ta outstrips them [10:48] not mtn? [10:49] mtn only has edge tower [10:49] i have an mtn sim in cell fone [10:49] ok so with telkom you must be on the telkom network [10:49] since they have their network and mtn for areas where their network doesn't reach yet [10:50] yip telkom put a transceiver on the mtn tower about 800 metres from me [10:51] voda was on same tower too, but now they built their own owne a few ks further away and often sister has no connection [10:51] ah ok [10:51] her tablet uses vodacom [10:51] so there is an mtn tower, just not upgraded to 3g yet [10:51] that's a bummer :( [10:52] i started with mtn, and tried for about a year to get them to upgrade but they said they dont want to upgrade this one in the near future [10:53] that's sucky [10:53] because if there was good mtn signal you could get your data from afrihost for far better value [10:53] lol did upgrades of 9.04 and 9.10 that took 9 hours [10:53] ya i asked you when you bought that afrihost back then [10:54] that special [10:54] oh the launch deal [10:54] ya [10:55] also mtn suck, when i put airtime on it gets stolen within days and when i fone them they say put more and well try block the thieves [10:56] now i put 5 bucks and send 2 smsses immediately just to keep the number alive [10:56] swines [10:57] hi bushtech [10:57] dag Kilos [10:58] umts is as fast as hsdpa hey [10:58] thats what i see here for you from voda [10:59] Kilos: you mean your mtn number that you use for voice calls? [11:01] yessir [11:01] my cell phone [11:01] Kilos: yes "UMTS" is pretty much what was originally called "3G" when vodacom first started offering it [11:01] HSDPA/HSPA+ are later revisions, but still UMTS [11:02] Do you guys know what a CNC machine and Quarry does ? Technic's site don't have descriptions for those [11:02] aha ty so bushhas the speed at least, just needs to get reliability sorted [11:02] and as far as your phone goes if your mtn airtime keeps disappearing, you can simply port your number to someone else, the porting process is quite simple nowadays [11:02] oh hi oom Kilos [11:02] hi nuvolari [11:03] mazal: i haven't got the CNC machine to work yet [11:03] but wont it still be stolen ThatGraemeGuy , the thieves steal from that number? [11:03] What is it suppose to do ThatGraemeGuy ? [11:04] Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest [11:04] mazal: a real life cnc machine is a computer-programmable milling machine or lathe [11:04] basically for shaping stuff [11:05] Ok ic [11:05] so you have a program to make a cylinder from a block of steel or whatnot [11:05] or a pyramid, etc [11:05] i go eat [11:05] The stuff fitters and turners does ? [11:05] i haven't had a chance to look at the code to see if its completely implemented yet [11:05] think so, yes [11:05] and a quarry, not sure [11:06] i see the technic wiki is on github, i've been intending to see about pushing some updates to make the documentation more useful [11:06] because right now you have to fiddle around and rely on outdated web docs and old forum threads [11:07] i find it more useful to go through the Lua code to figure things out [11:08] BTW , stay away from ethereal [11:08] Completely destroyed my world [11:08] from what now? [11:08] Is a mod [11:08] oh cool, so you can come join ours again [11:08] :P [11:08] Looks cool with lots of new biomes [11:09] but don't work on an old world [11:09] well yeah [11:09] pretty sure that would've been mentioned in the forum somewhere [11:09] anything mapgen-related tends to be limited and/or destructive when applied to an existing map db [11:09] And wierd thing , my backups I loaded back didn't solve the problem [11:10] Even the manual ones [11:10] I had to go back to Thursday when I made a complete image of the drive [11:10] As usual , I copied the whole .minetest folder before modding [11:10] Copied back that whole folder , didn't work :( [11:11] you did stop the server first right? that's the only way that makes sense [11:11] Yep [11:11] weird [11:12] That makes me think that something else happened to the world before the mod , and the backup I made already had a broken world in it. Is the only way that explains it [11:12] From now on I full image the drive every day to be sure [11:13] And I found a nifte little whereis mod that you can check out if you don't have it yet. Very handy to find and teleport to your buddy quickly ;) [11:14] Kilos: there's a tool in technic called a prospector which i hadn't noticed before [11:14] just reading the code it seems like you tell it a type of thing you are looking for, like mese, and it will tell you when you get close [11:14] might be useful [11:16] mazal: it looks like people still need the teleport privilege even with that mod? [11:16] correct [11:16] um [11:17] That simply provides the coordinates for the user [11:17] then its sort of useless though [11:17] No is very handy [11:17] I use it to get to barry quickly when I need to [11:17] how so? [11:17] Get his coordinates [11:17] Teleport [11:18] it's actually less user-friendly than "/teleport barry" [11:18] if you already have the teleport privilege [11:18] hmm , I didn't know teleport accepts usernames [11:18] kewl [11:18] http://wiki.minetest.net/Server_commands#Teleportation [11:18] yup [11:19] I have a whole paper full of adresses already lol [11:20] Home 1 ,2 ,3 , bottom of mine , chest room etc etc [11:22] you aren't using the waypoints of unified_inventory? ;-) [11:22] Don't know how [11:22] I only know of the single one for home [11:23] :-o [11:23] bad server admin :P [11:24] sjoe ThatGraemeGuy prospector sounds good [11:28] ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest [11:29] me or mtn? [11:29] mtn [11:29] oh whew [11:29] they must explain where your airtime goes [11:29] lol i wondered what i said wrong again [11:29] they can't just say "thieves", that's a criminal case [11:29] i even went to hello peter [11:30] then got voda and when that number started being robbed they gave me a code to type in to block all skelms [11:31] but my myn i have to keep because the cell is mtn locked and i cant find an unlock xrack for this model [11:31] otherwise that would be 8ta already as well [11:37] weird things happening, today gmail in evo keeps asking for passwords over and over [11:37] grrr [11:37] :-o [11:38] sim-locking hasn't been legal for ages already [11:38] its an old cell ThatGraemeGuy [11:38] sagem my404x [11:39] good for calls and smsses [11:45] i have a nokia 6210 that still works [11:46] my 2730 also still works too, was my modem for quite a while [11:47] hehe [11:47] 2730 from 2009 it seems? [11:47] ? [11:47] nokia 2730, i'm not familiar with it so i looke it up, looks like it was released in 2009? [11:48] its a good fone but slow as a modem [11:48] 2730 classic [11:48] yesh [11:48] nice simple fone [11:48] yes [11:48] you familiar with the 6210? [11:49] http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6210-12.php [11:49] i keep that for voda calls from ian and use at times for getting data [11:49] phone calls, sms and snake [11:49] sis has one of them i think [11:49] no gprs, no bluetooth [11:49] it was the last nokia before they started coming out with bluetooth [11:49] hehe [11:50] it has teeth marks on it from a dog that isn't alive anymore [11:50] but it still works [11:50] hahaha [11:50] nokia have made some good fones [11:50] my first contract phone, i was 22 [11:51] december 2000 [11:51] man i've been an mtn customer for way too long [11:51] sjoe you still a baby them, albeit a clever one [11:51] heh I've gone through so many phones I can't remeber what they all are [11:51] now days I'm quite happy with my S5 [11:52] i can't bring myself to get a new phone [11:52] fones that work like tablets and vice versa are too much for me [11:52] they're like R10k nowadays, and do pretty much what my phone does [11:52] no thanks [11:53] heh the thing I like about the S5 is the battery life, especially when I use it as a modem for my notebook for hours and it still lasts forever [11:54] and the samsung gear 2 watch is a pretty nifty accessory for it [11:54] i have a mifi for that [11:54] the battery lasts around 2 days [12:08] hi zander you like being bottom of the page === zander is now known as Spekko [12:43] Kilos: who's zander? [12:43] spekko [12:44] and vice versa [12:44] no [12:44] I'm just an entity [12:44] there is no other [12:44] than spekko [12:44] zander is now known as Spekko [12:44] zander is no more [12:44] i may be stupid but im not a fool [12:44] hehe [12:44] traces of him remains on this PC [12:45] ah [12:45] Sometimes net splits occur [12:45] and Zander re-emerges [12:48] Bye everyone , enjoy your evening [13:40] Maaz, hi [13:40] Hello Kilos [13:41] Maaz, announce Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30 [13:41] Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30 [13:46] Maaz, telkom help is tm-soc@telkom.co.za [13:46] Kilos: One learns a new thing every day [13:54] wbb. going to kde [13:59] hmm... [14:05] inetpro ping [14:13] looks like i gotta mail weenie too [14:23] http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png [14:23] Kilos: brave new world ;-) [14:24] lol ok lemme try and see data use [14:24] same address just port 30001 [14:24] don't build too much i probably wont keep it, just testing a bit [14:25] ok [14:25] has naturally occurring jungles and dungeons which we don't currently have [14:25] also you should find zinc just above height 0 [14:25] not sure where chrome starts [14:28] ThatGraemeGuy can you turn off that graph thing that runs when you use f5? [14:28] yes, press f5 [14:28] its your client that turns that on, you must've pressed f5 accidentally [14:28] server doesn't force that on [14:29] server has no idea about that stuff, its client info [14:29] no man i wanna see co-ords but without that other stuff running too [14:29] ai [14:29] press f5 [14:29] hmm... === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] [15:08] nuvolari ping [15:09] Kilos: pong [15:10] nuvolari kan jy stoel more aand asb? [15:10] apie dink nie hy kan dit maak nie [15:11] Kilos: ek dink dit is reg oom [15:12] behoort nie 'n probleem te wees nie [15:12] ek moet net ine vergeet nie [15:12] dankie seun [15:12] *nie [15:12] ek sal jou epos as ek onthou [15:13] of net aanhou ping hier [15:23] Hello there. Anyone alive here? [15:23] hi rio_zenta [15:23] Howzit? Kilos [15:23] welcome to ubuntu-za [15:24] good ty and you? [15:24] hi Gremble [15:24] Hey Kilos === Gremble is now known as Guest38547 [15:24] I hate xchat -_- [15:24] I'm great Kilos [15:24] Why did it not load my sasl D: [15:25] hexchat is better. xchat went baackwards [15:25] I'm using xchat... [15:25] wb gremble_ === gremble_ is now known as Gremble [15:25] i used xchat for years but it wasnt hot on 14.04 so went to hexchat [15:25] I prefer irssi [15:26] But I am on the desktop now [15:26] na thats hard work [15:26] im on konversation here now [15:27] you can set konversation to look same as old xchat but it has some added features [15:27] rio_zenta tell us a bit about yourself [15:28] konversation? That would be the kubuntu flavour? [15:28] yip kde rocks [15:28] for my old systems, Xfce rocks :D [15:28] i use unity as well [15:29] ya unity and kde are a bit heavy [15:30] but the xfce stuff was harder for me to setup so i stuck with unity and kde [15:30] Kilos, I am an linux user for the past 4-odd years. My transition to linux has been gradual and I've even learnt to exist comfortably with a terminal-only (ubuntu-server). Currently, I am struggling to find a laptop that is win-free in SA. [15:30] Kilos: Which stuff from xfce? [15:30] are you looking for a perfomance lappy? [15:31] iirc i battled with sound and 3g and some other things so just gave up [15:32] i battle with most stuff but have got used to unity and kde so just accept them being a bit heavy [15:33] rio_zenta you been using linux so long and only get here now [15:34] but just in time for our monthly meeting tomorrow night at 20.30 [15:35] Kilos: It's not really a very high-end one, but I am looking at making a decent investment in something I can use for about 5 years. It should preferably be i5/i7 with an SSD drive. This should take care of performance (for me) for about 5/6 years. [15:35] Kilos, are you referring to drivers for sound? [15:36] rio_zenta i dont remember. when i tried it it hassled so i gave up [15:36] Kilos: I normally frequent #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server. I also used to lurk on linuxmint channels. I didn't know this channel existed until yesterday :'D [15:37] oh there was some mention of empty lappies in the lists a while ago [15:37] this is the za community channel [15:37] I had an email of a company that sells laptops with any linux flavour you want on it [15:38] But I seem to have lost it [15:38] :x [15:38] Gremble: searching your email? [15:38] Tried [15:38] rio_zenta join our mailing list and ask there someone will have the info for you [15:38] Seems I am bad with these kinds of things [15:39] I see that Mecer sell barebones, but they don't want to sell to me directly and I'm not sure of their quality. [15:39] rio_zenta http://bit.ly/MCOujZ [15:39] there is someone in za that dfoes [15:40] Thanks for the (tracking) bitly link Kilos :P [15:40] does [15:40] yw [15:40] I'll search the archives first. bbl [15:41] join man all linux users in za should join our list [15:43] its mainly where peeps ask for help with probs [16:01] Kilos: What is your history with ubuntu? [16:04] lol i started with win 95 [16:04] learned to fdisk format and reinstall there [16:04] then 98 and xp with same thing [16:05] at least one clean install a month [16:05] then i got a cell that i got to use as a modem [16:06] and the virii stuff started [16:06] and the unregistered windows cds [16:06] then a neighbour said he had 8.04 cd for me [16:07] couldnt get that to connect with the cell so started hunting and found peeps with9.04 and the main mailing list [16:08] someone there said try the za list for help because i ask stupid questions [16:09] and then the fly told me how to get here and since then the guys have carried me and helped with everything till i can now ask for min help [16:09] im a ballie with mechanics and farming backgrounds [16:10] now i live here [16:11] i love ubuntu even with unity being worse than gnome2 [16:11] im just west of ptown , where are you? [16:13] sorry rio_zenta i forget to use nicks most of the time [16:14] ptown = pinetown? [16:14] pretoria [16:14] Pretoria [16:14] oh, I'm here also. it's kak cold today [16:14] very [16:14] This afternoon it was nice [16:14] last few weeks have been eina [16:15] interesting story. glad to see people of diverse backgrounds picking up linux. [16:15] nice outside in the sun onlyu [16:15] only [16:15] Plus the girls at tukkies will only be putting on their short skirts from sep/oct :'D [16:15] now my son in rustenburg is on kubuntu as well [16:15] haha [16:16] us pta peeps are slowly becoming more [16:16] rio_zenta, I saw a couple today in dresses [16:16] I was glad :P [16:17] I'm on xubuntu currently. 12.04, cause I'm too lazy to get 14.04 [16:18] there are dvds from canonical floating around [16:18] Gremble: sometimes you can't look down or look up. you just have to blink slowly, or else your eyes will wander :'D [16:18] we get from them with each release [16:18] Do you guys not use the free wifi available in PTA? I think pta-east area is supported. [16:19] im too far out [16:19] I use it on campus [16:19] I live too west [16:19] im 6ks past the mahem robot on the way to brits [16:20] I'm not that far west :P I live a block or so east from the Daspoort tunnel [16:21] Gremble where west are you? [16:21]