[04:51] <Symmetria> morning
[05:44] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:09] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:16] <bduk1> More almal
[06:20] <Cantide> afternoon~
[06:43] <Squirm> morning all
[06:43] <nuvolari> oh hi mazal, Cantide, Squirm 
[06:44] <nuvolari> Maaz: seen kilos
[06:44] <Maaz> nuvolari: kilos was last seen 8 hours, 28 minutes and 11 seconds ago in #ubuntu-za on freenode [2014-07-20 15:15:50 PDT], and has been offline on freenode since 2014-07-20 15:16:17 PDT
[06:44] <Cantide> '-'/
[06:44] <Squirm> hello nuvolari, Cantide 
[06:53] <mazal> Hello everyone
[06:53] <mazal> Plenty of kernel updates these days hey
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:57] <Cantide> time to scurry back to work!
[06:57] <Cantide> 안녕!
[07:11] <charl> morning all
[07:11] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:11]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:15] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:16] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:16] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:19] <nuvolari> oh hi charl :)
[07:28] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[08:48] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 ThatGraemeGuy and others
[08:50] <Vince-0> o/
[08:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo Kilos
[08:50] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy used over 400m on minetest yesterday
[08:51] <Kilos> maybe must just mine after 11pm 
[08:53] <Kilos> haha tore up lots of my roof for the mv solar panels and they wouldnt connect, after about an hour of moving them and cables with no success i twigged they are lv panels
[08:56] <Kilos> what a twit
[09:00] <Kilos> now get real clever and make the game zip all data in and out to 1/4 its size then one can play lots
[09:02] <Kilos> hi mazal inetpro 
[09:26] <mazal> Oom I struggled a lot to figure out those electric networks
[09:26] <mazal> Eventually I found the correct info that
[09:47] <Kilos> haha mazal i have my lv network working lekker and wantes the mv one for the toolbox
[09:47] <Kilos> only didnt make mv panels
[09:48] <Kilos> graeme showed me how
[09:49] <Kilos> its just that each new thing needs so many others to make it work
[10:09] <mazal> Oom Kilos , I didn't know that the solar generator , switch stationa and battery packs must be in the air with cable connecting underneath it
[10:09] <mazal> Mine was all on flat surface and refused to work :P
[10:15] <Kilos> lol
[10:15] <Kilos> ya i spent hours trying to connect, actually days then graeme came and showed me how
[10:16] <Kilos> also the most efficient height for them is at 35.4
[10:16] <Kilos> above you get no gain but below that you lose power
[10:17] <Kilos> mazal, ^^
[10:18] <Kilos> ive got grinders compressors and electric furnace going
[10:18] <Kilos> compressor make the carbon cloth stuff
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> i built a nuclear reactor core
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> and eventually after digging in the code realised you need a whole bunch of stuff surrounding it
[10:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> or it will just explode
[10:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you have the core
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it must be completly surrounded by water
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that is surrounded by stainless steel  blocks
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> which is surrounded by blast-resistant concrete
[10:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and that is surrounded by concrete
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the whole thing's a 9x9x9 block structure
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> of pretty expensive stuff
[10:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> so not anytime soon
[10:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: when you used over 400MB, how many times did you connect?
[10:27] <Kilos> twice with bart and twice with me ThatGraemeGuy 
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think most of the transfer is the initial connection
[10:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> during play its quite light on data
[10:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> or i might be wrong
[10:28] <Kilos> do you have a tool to monitor by you , i use iftop and only keep irc pidgin and minetest running
[10:29] <Kilos> and this month end i want to get a 1TB drive so no spare for data
[10:29] <mazal> My server uses 800mb average a day for two users
[10:30] <Kilos> been buying 2 bundles and ian been giving one the last coupla months
[10:30] <mazal> Lemme check client side
[10:30] <Kilos> i wonder if mine isnt charging up and download
[10:31] <Symmetria> heh man, Ive downloaded 17 terabytes worth of sourceforge crap in the last 5 days
[10:31] <Symmetria> takes forever
[10:31] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, when bart was mining down deep it used less than when he came to work in my house
[10:31] <Kilos> Symmetria, why download crap?
[10:32] <Kilos> only get usefull stuff man
[10:32] <mazal> Client side much less , 500mb also for two users
[10:32] <charl> Symmetria: you building a sourceforge mirror ?
[10:33] <charl> Kilos: i think he has to download everything if he wants a mirror, crap and everything else that comes with it
[10:33] <Kilos> aha
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't have a tool, no
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't need to care about how much data i use
[10:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> unfortunately you're in a bit of a unique spot
[10:34] <Kilos> lol
[10:35] <Kilos> i used to go 2 months on a 2+1 bundle now need 3 bundles a month
[10:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> who is that with?
[10:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> and who all has good signal in your area?
[10:48] <Kilos> with 8ta and only voda is good here as well, but 8ta outstrips them
[10:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> not mtn?
[10:49] <Kilos> mtn only has edge tower
[10:49] <Kilos> i have an mtn sim in cell fone
[10:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok so with telkom you must be on the telkom network
[10:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> since they have their network and mtn for areas where their network doesn't reach yet
[10:50] <Kilos> yip telkom put a transceiver on the mtn tower about 800 metres from me
[10:51] <Kilos> voda was on same tower too, but now they built their own owne a few ks further away and often sister has no connection
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[10:51] <Kilos> her tablet uses vodacom
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> so there is an mtn tower, just not upgraded to 3g yet
[10:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's a bummer :(
[10:52] <Kilos> i started with mtn, and tried for about a year to get them to upgrade but they said they dont want to upgrade this one in the near future
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's sucky
[10:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> because if there was good mtn signal you could get your data from afrihost for far better value
[10:53] <Kilos> lol did upgrades of 9.04 and 9.10 that took 9 hours
[10:53] <Kilos> ya i asked you when you bought that afrihost back then
[10:54] <Kilos> that special
[10:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh the launch deal
[10:54] <Kilos> ya
[10:55] <Kilos> also mtn suck, when i put airtime on it gets stolen within days and when i fone them they say put more and well try block the thieves
[10:56] <Kilos> now i put 5 bucks and send 2 smsses immediately just to keep the number alive
[10:56] <Kilos> swines
[10:57] <Kilos> hi bushtech 
[10:57] <bushtech> dag Kilos
[10:58] <Kilos> umts is as fast as hsdpa hey
[10:58] <Kilos> thats what i see here for you from voda
[10:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: you mean your mtn number that you use for voice calls?
[11:01] <Kilos> yessir
[11:01] <Kilos> my cell phone
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: yes "UMTS" is pretty much what was originally called "3G" when vodacom first started offering it
[11:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> HSDPA/HSPA+ are later revisions, but still UMTS
[11:02] <mazal> Do you guys know what a CNC machine and Quarry does ? Technic's site don't have descriptions for those
[11:02] <Kilos> aha ty so bushhas the speed at least, just needs to get reliability sorted
[11:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> and as far as your phone goes if your mtn airtime keeps disappearing, you can simply port your number to someone else, the porting process is quite simple nowadays
[11:02] <nuvolari> oh hi oom Kilos 
[11:02] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[11:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: i haven't got the CNC machine to work yet
[11:03] <Kilos> but wont it still be stolen ThatGraemeGuy , the thieves steal from that number?
[11:03] <mazal> What is it suppose to do ThatGraemeGuy ?
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: a real life cnc machine is a computer-programmable milling machine or lathe
[11:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> basically for shaping stuff
[11:05] <mazal> Ok ic
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you have a program to make a cylinder from a block of steel or whatnot
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> or a pyramid, etc
[11:05] <Kilos> i go eat
[11:05] <mazal> The stuff fitters and turners does ?
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> i haven't had a chance to look at the code to see if its completely implemented yet
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> think so, yes
[11:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> and a quarry, not sure
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i see the technic wiki is on github, i've been intending to see about pushing some updates to make the documentation more useful
[11:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> because right now you have to fiddle around and rely on outdated web docs and old forum threads
[11:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i find it more useful to go through the Lua code to figure things out
[11:08] <mazal> BTW , stay away from ethereal
[11:08] <mazal> Completely destroyed my world
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> from what now?
[11:08] <mazal> Is a mod
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh cool, so you can come join ours again
[11:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[11:08] <mazal> Looks cool with lots of new biomes
[11:09] <mazal> but don't work on an old world
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> well yeah
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> pretty sure that would've been mentioned in the forum somewhere
[11:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> anything mapgen-related tends to be limited and/or destructive when applied to an existing map db
[11:09] <mazal> And wierd thing , my backups I loaded back didn't solve the problem
[11:10] <mazal> Even the manual ones
[11:10] <mazal> I had to go back to Thursday when I made a complete image of the drive
[11:10] <mazal> As usual , I copied the whole .minetest folder before modding
[11:10] <mazal> Copied back that whole folder , didn't work :(
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> you did stop the server first right? that's the only way that makes sense
[11:11] <mazal> Yep
[11:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[11:12] <mazal> That makes me think that something else happened to the world before the mod , and the backup I made already had a broken world in it. Is the only way that explains it
[11:12] <mazal> From now on I full image the drive every day to be sure
[11:13] <mazal> And I found a nifte little whereis mod that you can check out if you don't have it yet. Very handy to find and teleport to your buddy quickly ;)
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: there's a tool in technic called a prospector which i hadn't noticed before
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> just reading the code it seems like you tell it a type of thing you are looking for, like mese, and it will tell you when you get close
[11:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> might be useful
[11:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: it looks like people still need the teleport privilege even with that mod?
[11:16] <mazal> correct
[11:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[11:17] <mazal> That simply provides the coordinates for the user
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> then its sort of useless though
[11:17] <mazal> No is very handy
[11:17] <mazal> I use it to get to barry quickly when I need to
[11:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> how so?
[11:17] <mazal> Get his coordinates
[11:17] <mazal> Teleport
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> it's actually less user-friendly than "/teleport barry"
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you already have the teleport privilege
[11:18] <mazal> hmm , I didn't know teleport accepts usernames
[11:18] <mazal> kewl
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://wiki.minetest.net/Server_commands#Teleportation
[11:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yup
[11:19] <mazal> I have a whole paper full of adresses already lol
[11:20] <mazal> Home 1 ,2 ,3 , bottom of mine , chest room etc etc
[11:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you aren't using the waypoints of unified_inventory? ;-)
[11:22] <mazal> Don't know how
[11:22] <mazal> I only know of the single one for home
[11:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> bad server admin :P
[11:24] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy prospector sounds good
[11:28] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i don't know, that sounds like a bullshit excuse to be honest
[11:29] <Kilos> me or mtn?
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> mtn
[11:29] <Kilos> oh whew
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> they must explain where your airtime goes
[11:29] <Kilos> lol i wondered what i said wrong again
[11:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> they can't just say "thieves", that's a criminal case
[11:29] <Kilos> i even went to hello peter
[11:30] <Kilos> then got voda and when that number started being robbed they gave me a code to type in to block all skelms
[11:31] <Kilos> but my myn i have to keep because the cell is mtn locked and i cant find an unlock xrack for this model
[11:31] <Kilos> otherwise that would be 8ta already as well
[11:37] <Kilos> weird things happening, today gmail in evo keeps asking for passwords over and over
[11:37] <Kilos> grrr
[11:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[11:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> sim-locking hasn't been legal for ages already
[11:38] <Kilos> its an old cell ThatGraemeGuy 
[11:38] <Kilos> sagem my404x
[11:39] <Kilos> good for calls and smsses
[11:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a nokia 6210 that still works
[11:46] <Kilos> my 2730 also still works too, was my modem for quite a while
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> hehe
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> 2730 from 2009 it seems?
[11:47] <Kilos> ?
[11:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> nokia 2730, i'm not familiar with it so i looke it up, looks like it was released in 2009?
[11:48] <Kilos> its a good fone but slow as a modem
[11:48] <Kilos> 2730 classic
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yesh
[11:48] <Kilos> nice simple fone
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[11:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> you familiar with the 6210?
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_6210-12.php
[11:49] <Kilos> i keep that for voda calls from ian and use at times for getting data
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> phone calls, sms and snake
[11:49] <Kilos> sis has one of them i think
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> no gprs, no bluetooth
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> it was the last nokia before they started coming out with bluetooth
[11:49] <Kilos> hehe
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has teeth marks on it from a dog that isn't alive anymore
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it still works
[11:50] <Kilos> hahaha
[11:50] <Kilos> nokia have made some good fones
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> my first contract phone, i was 22
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> december 2000
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> man i've been an mtn customer for way too long
[11:51] <Kilos> sjoe you still a baby them, albeit a clever one
[11:51] <Symmetria> heh I've gone through so many phones I can't remeber what they all are
[11:51] <Symmetria> now days I'm quite happy with my S5
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't bring myself to get a new phone
[11:52] <Kilos> fones that work like tablets and vice versa are too much for me
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're like R10k nowadays, and do pretty much what my phone does
[11:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> no thanks
[11:53] <Symmetria> heh the thing I like about the S5 is the battery life, especially when I use it as a modem for my notebook for hours and it still lasts forever
[11:54] <Symmetria> and the samsung gear 2 watch is a pretty nifty accessory for it
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a mifi for that
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> the battery lasts around 2 days
[12:08] <Kilos> hi zander you like being bottom of the page
[12:43] <Spekko> Kilos: who's zander?
[12:43] <Kilos> spekko
[12:44] <Kilos> and vice versa
[12:44] <Spekko> no
[12:44] <Spekko> I'm just an entity
[12:44] <Spekko> there is no other
[12:44] <Spekko> than spekko
[12:44] <Kilos> zander is now known as Spekko
[12:44] <Spekko> zander is no more
[12:44] <Kilos> i may be stupid but im not a fool
[12:44] <Kilos> hehe
[12:44] <Spekko> traces of him remains on this PC
[12:45] <Kilos> ah
[12:45] <Spekko> Sometimes net splits occur
[12:45] <Spekko> and Zander re-emerges
[12:48] <mazal> Bye everyone , enjoy your evening
[13:40] <Kilos> Maaz, hi
[13:40] <Maaz> Hello Kilos
[13:41] <Kilos> Maaz, announce Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30
[13:41] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! Meeting tomorrow night here guys, dont forget, 20.30
[13:46] <Kilos> Maaz, telkom help is <reply> tm-soc@telkom.co.za
[13:46] <Maaz> Kilos: One learns a new thing every day
[13:54] <Kilos> wbb. going to kde
[13:59] <Kilos> hmm...
[14:05] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[14:13] <Kilos> looks like i gotta mail weenie too
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png
[14:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: brave new world ;-)
[14:24] <Kilos> lol ok lemme try and see data use
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> same address just port 30001
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't build too much i probably wont keep it, just testing a bit
[14:25] <Kilos> ok
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> has naturally occurring jungles and dungeons which we don't currently have
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> also you should find zinc just above height 0
[14:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure where chrome starts
[14:28] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  can you turn off that graph thing that runs when you use f5?
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes, press f5
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> its your client that turns that on, you must've pressed f5 accidentally
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> server doesn't force that on
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> server has no idea about that stuff, its client info
[14:29] <Kilos> no man i wanna see co-ords but without that other stuff running too
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[14:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> press f5
[14:29] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:08] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[15:09] <nuvolari> Kilos: pong
[15:10] <Kilos> nuvolari  kan jy stoel more aand asb?
[15:10] <Kilos> apie dink nie hy kan dit maak nie
[15:11] <nuvolari> Kilos: ek dink dit is reg oom
[15:12] <nuvolari> behoort nie 'n probleem te wees nie
[15:12] <nuvolari> ek moet net ine vergeet nie
[15:12] <Kilos> dankie seun
[15:12] <nuvolari> *nie
[15:12] <Kilos> ek sal jou epos as ek onthou
[15:13] <Kilos> of net aanhou ping hier
[15:23] <rio_zenta> Hello there. Anyone alive here?
[15:23] <Kilos> hi rio_zenta  
[15:23] <rio_zenta> Howzit? Kilos 
[15:23] <Kilos> welcome to ubuntu-za
[15:24] <Kilos> good ty and you?
[15:24] <Kilos> hi Gremble  
[15:24] <Gremble> Hey Kilos 
[15:24] <Guest38547> I hate xchat -_-
[15:24] <rio_zenta> I'm great Kilos 
[15:24] <Guest38547> Why did it not load my sasl D:
[15:25] <Kilos> hexchat is better. xchat went baackwards
[15:25] <rio_zenta> I'm using xchat...
[15:25] <rio_zenta> wb gremble_ 
[15:25] <Kilos> i used xchat for years but it wasnt hot on 14.04 so went to hexchat
[15:25] <Gremble> I prefer irssi
[15:26] <Gremble> But I am on the desktop now
[15:26] <Kilos> na thats hard work
[15:26] <Kilos> im on konversation here now
[15:27] <Kilos> you can set konversation to look same as old xchat but it has some added features
[15:27] <Kilos> rio_zenta  tell us a bit about yourself
[15:28] <rio_zenta> konversation? That would be the kubuntu flavour?
[15:28] <Kilos> yip kde rocks
[15:28] <rio_zenta> for my old systems, Xfce rocks :D
[15:28] <Kilos> i use unity as well
[15:29] <Kilos> ya unity and kde are a bit heavy
[15:30] <Kilos> but the xfce stuff was harder for me to setup so i stuck with unity and kde
[15:30] <rio_zenta> Kilos, I am an linux user for the past 4-odd years. My transition to linux has been gradual and I've even learnt to exist comfortably with a terminal-only (ubuntu-server). Currently, I am struggling to find a laptop that is win-free in SA.
[15:30] <rio_zenta> Kilos: Which stuff from xfce?
[15:30] <Kilos> are you looking for a perfomance lappy?
[15:31] <Kilos> iirc i battled with sound and 3g and some other things so just gave up
[15:32] <Kilos> i battle with most stuff but have got used to unity and kde so just accept them being a bit heavy
[15:33] <Kilos> rio_zenta  you been using linux so long and only get here now
[15:34] <Kilos> but just in time for our monthly meeting tomorrow night at 20.30
[15:35] <rio_zenta> Kilos: It's not really a very high-end one, but I am looking at making a decent investment in something I can use for about 5 years. It should preferably be i5/i7 with an SSD drive. This should take care of performance (for me) for about 5/6 years.
[15:35] <rio_zenta> Kilos, are you referring to drivers for sound? 
[15:36] <Kilos> rio_zenta  i dont remember. when i tried it it hassled so i gave up
[15:36] <rio_zenta> Kilos: I normally frequent #ubuntu and #ubuntu-server. I also used to lurk on linuxmint channels. I didn't know this channel existed until yesterday :'D
[15:37] <Kilos> oh there was some mention of empty lappies in the lists a while ago
[15:37] <Kilos> this is the za community channel
[15:37] <Gremble> I had an email of a company that sells laptops with any linux flavour you want on it
[15:38] <Gremble> But I seem to have lost it
[15:38] <Gremble> :x
[15:38] <rio_zenta> Gremble: searching your email?
[15:38] <Gremble> Tried
[15:38] <Kilos> rio_zenta  join our mailing list and ask there someone will have the info for you
[15:38] <Gremble> Seems I am bad with these kinds of things
[15:39] <rio_zenta> I see that Mecer sell barebones, but they don't want to sell to me directly and I'm not sure of their quality.
[15:39] <Kilos> rio_zenta   http://bit.ly/MCOujZ
[15:39] <Kilos> there is someone in za that dfoes
[15:40] <rio_zenta> Thanks for the (tracking) bitly link Kilos :P
[15:40] <Kilos> does
[15:40] <Kilos> yw
[15:40] <rio_zenta> I'll search the archives first. bbl
[15:41] <Kilos> join man all linux users in za should join our list
[15:43] <Kilos> its mainly where peeps ask for help with probs
[16:01] <rio_zenta> Kilos: What is your history with ubuntu?
[16:04] <Kilos> lol i started with win 95
[16:04] <Kilos> learned to fdisk format and reinstall there
[16:04] <Kilos> then 98 and xp with same thing
[16:05] <Kilos> at least one clean install a month
[16:05] <Kilos> then i got a cell that i got to use as a modem
[16:06] <Kilos> and the virii stuff started
[16:06] <Kilos> and the unregistered windows cds
[16:06] <Kilos> then a neighbour said he had 8.04 cd for me
[16:07] <Kilos> couldnt get that to connect with the cell so started hunting and found peeps with9.04  and the main mailing list
[16:08] <Kilos> someone there said try the za list for help because i ask stupid questions
[16:09] <Kilos> and then the fly told me how to get here and since then the guys have carried me and helped with everything till i can now ask for min help
[16:09] <Kilos> im a ballie with mechanics and farming backgrounds
[16:10] <Kilos> now i live here
[16:11] <Kilos> i love ubuntu even with unity being worse than gnome2
[16:11] <Kilos> im just west of ptown , where are you?
[16:13] <Kilos> sorry rio_zenta  i forget to use nicks most of the time
[16:14] <rio_zenta> ptown = pinetown?
[16:14] <Kilos> pretoria
[16:14] <Gremble> Pretoria
[16:14] <rio_zenta> oh, I'm here also. it's kak cold today
[16:14] <Kilos> very
[16:14] <Gremble> This afternoon it was nice
[16:14] <Kilos> last few weeks have been eina
[16:15] <rio_zenta> interesting story. glad to see people of diverse backgrounds picking up linux.
[16:15] <Kilos> nice outside in the sun onlyu
[16:15] <Kilos> only
[16:15] <rio_zenta> Plus the girls at tukkies will only be putting on their short skirts from sep/oct :'D
[16:15] <Kilos> now my son in rustenburg is on kubuntu as well
[16:15] <Kilos> haha
[16:16] <Kilos> us pta peeps are slowly becoming more
[16:16] <Gremble> rio_zenta, I saw a couple today in dresses
[16:16] <Gremble> I was glad :P
[16:17] <rio_zenta> I'm on xubuntu currently. 12.04, cause I'm too lazy to get 14.04
[16:18] <Kilos> there are dvds from canonical floating around
[16:18] <rio_zenta> Gremble: sometimes you can't look down or look up. you just have to blink slowly, or else your eyes will wander :'D
[16:18] <Kilos> we get from them with each release
[16:18] <rio_zenta> Do you guys not use the free wifi available in PTA? I think pta-east area is supported.
[16:19] <Kilos> im too far out
[16:19] <Gremble> I use it on campus
[16:19] <Gremble> I live too west
[16:19] <Kilos> im 6ks past the mahem robot on the way to brits
[16:20] <Gremble> I'm not that far west :P I live a block or so east from the Daspoort tunnel
[16:21] <Kilos> Gremble  where west are you?
[16:21] <Kilos> ah
[16:21] <Gremble> Yup
[16:22] <Kilos> im busy pleading with telkom to put wifi on the cell tower near here
[16:22] <Gremble> We had to plead them to give us a phone line
[16:22] <rio_zenta> aah okay, so even you okes are far away from it. I was thinking of pilot-testing a fibre project in my town. I think people will go for it if I convince them they can save on telkom and dstv
[16:22] <Gremble> At the beginning of the year,  they finally came and planted two poles next to our house for us
[16:23] <Gremble> DSTV?
[16:23] <Gremble> I don't think we have streaming services in SA
[16:23] <rio_zenta> yeah, with 50mb speed, do you need satelite tv?
[16:23] <Gremble> Access to legal content
[16:24] <Kilos> rio_zenta  where are you? 
[16:44] <rio_zenta> Gremble: I think Hulu is accessible here in SA, and I'm not referring to pirated/illegal stuff.
[16:45] <rio_zenta> Kilos, I'm in what I think is south-west. 
[16:45] <rio_zenta> Gremble: Have they managed to fix the parking issues at tukkies?
[16:45] <Gremble> No 
[16:46] <Gremble> I just get there ungodly early to get parking :P
[16:46] <rio_zenta> where do you park? 
[16:46] <Gremble> There is student parking east of Oom Gert
[16:46] <rio_zenta> aah okay. I know that spot. there's 1 next to campus and 1 opposite the girls res.
[16:49] <rio_zenta> Gremble: What are you studying?
[16:49] <Gremble> Applied Mathematics. What did/do you do rio_zenta ?
[16:50] <rio_zenta> Economics. I was expecting you to say CS, although I suspect CS is your minor.
[16:50] <Gremble> I did do CS
[16:50] <Gremble> I dislike programming
[16:51] <Gremble> I'm into stuff like computation theory though
[16:51] <Gremble> The mathematics behind computers
[16:51] <rio_zenta> Did you just do COS131/132? or were you studying CS?
[16:51] <Gremble> Studying cS
[16:51] <Gremble> finished first year
[16:52] <rio_zenta> aah. You must've also enjoyed the terror modules called 121/110
[16:53] <Gremble> They failed me for 110 because I did not do the project. So I more have a dislike toward the lecturer than the content
[16:53] <Gremble> It was simple enough
[16:53] <Gremble> Got distinctions for both tests
[16:54] <Gremble> I have no idea what the hell happend with 121. I passed that. I will never know how
[16:54] <rio_zenta> That makes sense. A math guy would be analytical enough to cope with C/C++. So you second year now?
[16:54] <Gremble> First year mathematics. Had to take the second semester math modules
[16:54] <Gremble> So last semester I did databases and informatics
[16:55] <rio_zenta> very interesting. I've gotta go now, but if you're around at say 9.30, we can chat a bit more. I can also introduce you to something beautiful. They call it "Python".
[16:55] <Gremble> I can do python :P
[16:55] <Gremble> See you later
[18:09] <smile> hi :)
[18:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps
[18:12] <Gremble> o/
[18:12] <Gremble> sup
[18:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmm not a lot :)
[18:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> that side?
[18:12] <Gremble> Just preparing for tomorrow
[18:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> whats happaning tomorrow?
[18:14] <Gremble> Nothing special. Just making sure my work is ready for class
[18:43] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:45] <magespawn> good evening
[18:46] <Kilos> ohi magespawn  meeting tomorrow night hey
[18:47] <magespawn> yup
[18:47] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:47] <Kilos> hi superfly  you chairing tomorrow night? the monkey cant make it
[18:49] <Kilos> such pressure put on my poor old shoulders
[18:49] <magespawn> you could chair
[18:50] <Kilos> whew you peeps are hard of understanding
[18:50] <Kilos> ive been saying no for years
[18:50] <Kilos> im not a chair im a table
[18:51] <Kilos> how are you magespawn  ?
[19:00] <Kilos> aw i missed williamk
[19:03] <smile> good night! :)
[19:06]  * Kilos watches the utms vodacom yoyo
[19:09] <superfly> Kilos: nee, I don't have time to. 
[19:13] <Kilos> haha im teasing superfly  nuvo says he will
[19:14] <Kilos> whew bushtech  bad tonight hey
[19:14] <Kilos> find a vodacom ip addy and run  a ping and mtr to them
must be in the sticks
[19:16] <magespawn> i am good thanks Kilos
[19:17] <magespawn> how are things up there in freeze land?
[19:17] <Kilos> yip he is on a nature reserve outside pretoria
[19:17] <Kilos> cold magespawn  
[19:18] <Kilos> and i dunno where my pro is, 
[19:18] <Kilos> inetpro  ping ping ping
[19:20] <Kilos> i wonder if running a ping to a unstable connection will help it stay online
[19:21] <Kilos> an unstable connection
[19:32] <magespawn> in and out
[19:33] <magespawn> i know a friend used to use it to keep a dial connection from being dropped
[19:35] <Kilos> yes but will running a ping from outside to him do the same thing
[19:49] <rio_zenta_afk> magespawn: where are you situated that is warm?
[20:08] <magespawn> KZN Hluhluwe
 i wonder if running a ping to a unstable connection will help it stay online
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> um, no
[20:08] <Kilos> oi poor guy
[20:08] <magespawn> no idea Kilos, if they are disconnecting based on lack of activity then it might
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> old wives tales, eish
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh yeah if you're in 1996 and your connection has an idle timeout
[20:09] <magespawn> but there should be communication anyway
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> but this is 2014
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> so no
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> anyhoo
[20:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all
[20:09] <Kilos> lol
[20:09] <Kilos> night ThatGraemeGuy  
[20:09] <Kilos> sleep tight
[20:09] <magespawn> indeed this was hluhluwe so only 5 years ago
[20:11] <rio_zenta> magespawn: you guys have that warm weather vibe year-round. Even the capetonians should envy that.
[20:12] <magespawn> did get a bit chilly this year down to about 3
[20:15] <rio_zenta> magespawn: Is Eames Investments your company?
[20:15] <magespawn> anyway, i am off, good night all
[20:16] <magespawn> yes 
[20:17] <magespawn> why did you ask?
[20:18] <rio_zenta> I can see the name, magespawn 
[20:18] <magespawn> from the whois?
[20:21] <magespawn> anyway, i am off, good night all
[20:21] <rio_zenta> yep
[20:37] <Kilos> rio_zenta  you gonna visit us regularly?
[20:38] <rio_zenta> I'll add you guys to my channel list, so when I open xchat, ill be here.
[20:38] <Kilos> good man
[20:38] <Kilos> #ubuntu is too hectic for me
[20:38] <rio_zenta> seems like I can get a system76 laptop from the US, although I'm wondering whether there is a business opportunity to locally build laptops here.
[20:39] <Kilos> superfly  say hi to the new guy
[20:39] <rio_zenta> #ubuntu is more support related. Try #ubuntu-offtopic (I think I have the name wrong)
[20:39] <Kilos> rio_zenta  superfly  is our local python expert
[20:39] <Kilos> sytem76 the ubuntu peeps
[20:40] <rio_zenta> I've probably met superfly if he attends the python meetups in gauteng.
[20:40] <Kilos> no he is in ct
[20:40] <superfly> negatory, I live in the promised land.
[20:40] <Kilos> lol
[20:40] <rio_zenta> do you attend the cape town meetups? superfly 
[20:40] <superfly> rio_zenta: not really. I have real life to deal with.
[20:41] <superfly> I once gave a talk there a few years ago.
[20:41] <Kilos> ct was promised to penguins
[20:41] <rio_zenta> ouch superfly. It took us real effort to get it going here in GP and we're seeing good numbers now
[20:42] <superfly> I saw. I'm watching. I'm super chuffed.
[20:42] <rio_zenta> Would you guys buy locally-assembled laptops with limited software support? medium to high end only ?
[20:42] <superfly> rio_zenta: I know wasbeer... uh... golly, what's his real name?
[20:43] <rio_zenta> walter?
[20:44] <Kilos> leibrand
[20:45] <Kilos> is that him
[20:45] <rio_zenta> yeah, cool guy. He should be here I think.
[20:45] <Kilos> he used to be here all the time 
[20:45] <rio_zenta> Kilos, based on your estimates, about how many linux users do you think there are in SA?
[20:46] <Kilos> i think lots but most dont know about us
[20:46] <Kilos> varsities have many nmowadays
[20:46] <Kilos> nowadays
[20:47] <superfly> Yup, Walter
[20:48] <Kilos> there are also some older peepslike bushtech and some that only come here when they got probs
[20:48] <rio_zenta> hmmm, can't exactly sell a 9000 rand laptop to a varsity student...
[20:48] <Kilos> nope they are expensive
[20:49] <Kilos> and dual cores arent too good anymore. thats about all you can get cheaply
[20:49] <rio_zenta> i guess i'll just bare the win tax then. If we had like over 10 000 users in SA, there'd already be someone selling them here.
[20:50] <Kilos> there was a guy here about a year back that had a pc shop in the freestate i think that said he would sell linux pcs but he disappeared
[20:51] <charl> dell sells linux preinstalled (ubuntu)
[20:51] <charl> but i think you have to order it specifically
[20:51] <Kilos> the good thing about a windows lappy is that you can format it and install linux
[20:51] <superfly> rio_zenta: I'm looking to buy a laptop too, and have decided to just live with the Windows tax.
[20:51] <rio_zenta> charl: I contacted them in may. They referred me to one of their suppliers, whom I never had any contact with after the referral.
[20:52] <charl> as in, you didn't contact them, or they didn't contact you back ?
[20:52] <rio_zenta> superfly: What do you recommend? If you'd be interested, we could ship 2 system76 Gazelles here. I see the quote comes out to about $970 for a "beast".
[20:53] <superfly> rio_zenta: I don't have that sort of money, I'm just going to buy a bottom of the range toshiba
[20:53] <rio_zenta> charl: the dell sales guy told me he contacted them on my behalf. It's kind of like mustek sales, who reply to emails after 20 days.
[20:53] <charl> bah :(
[20:54] <charl> very unprofessional
[20:54] <rio_zenta> oh my bad superfly. I assumed you were a high-end user.
[20:54] <superfly> rio_zenta: that's why I have a desktop.
[20:54] <superfly> rio_zenta: that's my "high end"
[20:55] <superfly> which it doesn't really need to be, since I don't do anything that really requires that amount of firepower
[20:56] <rio_zenta> superfly: What purposes do you use your machines for? 
[20:56] <superfly> development
[20:57] <rio_zenta> Here is the company I am suppose to get a dell from: http://www.westech.co.za/dell
[20:57] <rio_zenta> superfly: Are you a python dev-house?
[20:57] <superfly> uh... sortof
[20:57] <superfly> we do Python, C++, C, a little assembler and hardware
[20:59] <rio_zenta> I hope you're not the same company whose job details are being spammed the crap out of on every jobs board in SA. I see a company looking for: Python/C/C++ exp :'D
[20:59] <rio_zenta> oh, spammed by recruiters of course.
[20:59] <superfly> what's the name of hte company?
[20:59] <superfly> I suppose they don't say, hey?
[21:00] <rio_zenta> correct. I could provide a link to a description though.
[21:01] <rio_zenta> are you guys in stellenbosch?
[21:02] <superfly> No, Cape Town
[21:02] <superfly> We are kinda still looking for a developer.
[21:03] <rio_zenta> do you do low-level stuff? 
[21:04] <superfly> We do everything from the actual electronics on the board, to writing server-side Python
[21:04] <superfly> two of the guys on the team specialise in the electronics, I specialise in the Python
[21:05] <superfly> Another guy specialises in C++
[21:05] <superfly> so we have specialists, but everyone digs in and does what is required.
[21:08] <rio_zenta> You're not hard to track down :P
[21:15] <rio_zenta> I best disappear for now. Getting late. See you guys again soon.
[22:22] <Kilos> whew night peeps