[03:36] <bluesabre> Nosckaj, ochosi: pushed xfce4-power-manager to utopic-proposed, now we wait for that one
[03:38] <bluesabre> Noskcaj, I might have missed if there was another comments, but for xfce4-session, there is a newer package in debian now (4.10.1-7), do you want to update your merge request to that version, or should I go ahead and do it as part of the merge?
[06:44] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, I forgot i uploaded that. I'll merge now
[07:03] <Noskcaj> New one pushed. The upower patch is slightly different, so we should have that checked after the upload
[07:06] <ochosi> Noskcaj: did you test it?
[07:06] <Noskcaj> corsac did in debian, but i will when i get home (at a friend place tonight, then cadets the next)
[07:06] <ochosi> just asking cause you know, it's the session, if it's broken that means pretty much everything is kinda broken
[07:06] <Noskcaj> of course.
[07:07] <Noskcaj> I don't understand code, so hopefully patch checking will be part of the review.
[07:07] <Noskcaj> But it if worked in debian it *should* do so here
[07:08] <ochosi> right, still, testing things at least a little before uploading would be highly desirable though
[07:09] <ochosi> if you haven't tested something, then prepare it in a PPA, ping me, i'll push it to the -staging PPA and we'll get people to test it if you can't
[07:09] <Noskcaj> ok.
[07:10] <ochosi> cause that's what we have those PPAs for ;)
[07:11] <Noskcaj> I completely forgot about those. It's in noskcaj/build now
[07:12] <ochosi> k, thanks
[07:12] <ochosi> btw, if i'm not around you can also ping bluesabre 
[07:12] <Noskcaj> cool
[07:12] <Noskcaj> brb
[07:23] <elfy> bluesabre: when you setting the next meeting, it being your turn to run it :)
[08:48] <ochosi> folks, if any of you could please verify this sru: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1342065
[08:49] <ochosi> doesn't matter whether you have a laptop or not, all you have to verify is that it correctly sets the default setting
[09:43] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: in case you've forgotten http://xubuntu.org/?p=2548 and http://pad.ubuntu.com/AO7hLk0hFH are waiting you're review and approval
[09:44] <slickymasterWork> s/you're/your
[09:45] <ochosi> thanks slickymasterWork
[09:45] <ochosi> i haven't forgotten, just haven't gotten round to it
[09:46] <ochosi> but reminders always help ;)
[09:46] <slickymasterWork> ok ;)
[09:47]  * knome just poked the article a bit
[09:47] <ochosi> slickymasterWork: that seems wrong:
[09:47] <ochosi> To get these icons back, replace the Notification Area applet with the Indicator Plugin applet
[09:48] <ochosi> those two are different things
[09:48] <ochosi> the first is the systray, the others are the indicators
[09:48] <ochosi> we always want/need both
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> right. can you re-write that item ochosi
[09:49] <slickymasterWork> you're so much more into it than me 
[09:50] <knome> "more into it"
[09:50] <knome> huhu
[09:51] <ochosi> well actually i'm not sure anymore what i needed to do to get the indicators back
[09:51] <ochosi> i think uninstall the -gtk2 packages and something else
[09:51] <ochosi> i had hoped you had tested it and then written the paragraph
[09:51] <slickymasterWork> key knome
[09:51] <slickymasterWork> morning/afternoon
[09:52] <knome> good afternoon slickymasterWork 
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> I didn't ochosi
[09:54] <slickymasterWork> ochosi, are you talking about this -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Trusty/Gtk3Indicators?
[09:57] <ochosi> no, not really
[09:57] <ochosi> i'm talking about having the 12.04 stack installed and then upgrading and seeing no indicators
[09:57] <ochosi> several things changed, the way the indicators are started etc
[09:57] <ochosi> but i just want the practical steps
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> hm hm. forestpiskie would be the one that actually made those steps when he was testing
[09:59] <slickymasterWork> perhaps he could throw his input on it
[10:08] <knome> pushed a new revision for the docs that introduces a favicon
[11:47] <bluesabre> Xubuntu Community Meeting scheduled for July 29, 10:00 UTC
[11:47] <bluesabre> elfy ^
[11:49] <slickymasterWork> bluesabre: I won't be able to make it
[11:50] <slickymasterWork> I'll be absent between July 28 and August 17
[11:52] <slickymasterWork> ochosi: ^^
[11:57] <slickymasterWork> off to lunch ->
[12:00] <bluesabre> slickymasterWork, enjoy that nice long vacation :D
[12:33] <bluesabre> ochosi, Noskcaj: http://packages.ubuntu.com/utopic/xfce4-power-manager
[12:51] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: tested xfce4-session, all seems well, uploaded to utopic-proposed.
[13:00] <elfy> slickymasterWork: looked at the pad - changed a few bits and left a note too
[13:16] <Noskcaj> bluesabre, thanks
[13:16] <bluesabre> I'll do the other merges when the packageset is updated
[13:16] <bluesabre> but thanks for all the packaging :)
[13:19] <ochosi> bluesabre: i'm wondering what we should do about xfwm4
[13:19] <ochosi> i guess wait for another devel release
[13:19] <ochosi> sucks a bit that the alt-tab dialog is still unreleased
[13:21] <ochosi> btw, i also tried to ping ppl about the x-d-s sru again, no responses so far, so you might try -release too
[13:23] <bluesabre> hey ochosi
[13:23] <bluesabre> so, what's in the queue for xfwm4?
[13:23] <bluesabre> we can nag Nick
[13:24] <ochosi> well, there are a few patches floating around that should be merged too
[13:25] <ochosi> i'd have preferred a separate release just with the tabwin
[13:25] <ochosi> but yeah, as time is progressing i'm considering we should merge more patches in
[13:25] <bluesabre> any of us admins for that project? (I'm not)
[13:26] <ochosi> i have push-rights, but i'm pretty sure i don't have admin rights
[13:26] <bluesabre> log in here: https://releases.xfce.org/
[13:26] <bluesabre> and see if its on your list
[13:26] <ochosi> thing is if i start pushing patches, ppl might mistake me for a maintainer...
[13:27] <ochosi> humm, i can actually do releases of xfwm4 and thunar too :>
[13:27] <bluesabre> cool
[13:28] <bluesabre> yeah, I think push rights = release manager rights as well
[13:29] <bluesabre> 12 days since display settings merge
[13:29] <bluesabre> maybe I'll do a release on the 23rd for xfce4-settings
[13:30] <bluesabre> I don't suppose you poked Nick about that?
[13:31] <ochosi> i didn't, but i haven't received replies to my last few emails, so i didn't feel it would make sense
[13:33] <ochosi> btw, is shimmer-themes also part of the xubuntu packageset?
[13:43] <bluesabre> ochosi: yes
[13:43] <bluesabre> sent the updated package along this morning
[13:43] <bluesabre> I think its still sitting in utopic-proposed
[13:43]  * bluesabre checks
[13:43] <ochosi> mkay
[13:44] <ochosi> we also oughta do something to lls
[13:44] <ochosi> after the next xfpm release
[13:44] <bluesabre> sitting in new https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue
[13:44] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:44] <bluesabre> need to decide what changes need to be made for that
[13:46] <ochosi> well for one, we should remove support for dpms and blank settings in case xfpm is installed
[13:47] <bluesabre> *and running
[13:47] <ochosi> right
[13:47] <ochosi> well yeah, depends on whether we wanna make it runtime or buildtime
[13:47] <bluesabre> cool, xfpm 1.3 in utopic, works like a dream
[13:48] <ochosi> well 1.3.1 will be even dreamier ;)
[13:48] <bluesabre> runtime is best
[13:48] <bluesabre> python app
[13:48] <bluesabre> :)
[13:50] <ochosi> yup
[13:51] <ochosi> well with all the hackery that app contains, that last bit won't really hurt much :)
[13:51] <ochosi> btw, cavalier said he's closing in on the dbus interface
[13:51] <slickymasterWork> thanks foe that elfy. What about the indicators item, elfy? Since you went through all the testings during T cycle, do you have any suggestions on how to rewrite it?
[13:51] <ochosi> so i guess we have to redo the configuration-applying part too
[13:52] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:52] <bluesabre> We should branch out based on which versions of each app are installed and running
[13:52] <bluesabre> I might work with you on that later this week
[13:52] <ochosi> yeah, or just skip older versions of light-locker
[13:52] <ochosi> i mean we could simply say, lls version XY supports ll >=1.6
[13:53] <knome> that's fair to say.
[13:53] <bluesabre> ok, thats reasonable
[13:53] <bluesabre> and easy to control with packaging
[13:53] <ochosi> yup
[13:54] <knome> and if late enough ll is shipped in utopic with the new lls, i don't see there being a problem for ubuntu people anyway
[13:54] <knome> because people hardly can run debs from different releases and expect they work together with no problems
[13:54] <knome> (some people do, but they are mad anyway, like Unit193)
[13:56] <bluesabre> indeed
[13:56] <bluesabre> :D
[13:57] <bluesabre> gotta run for now, bbl
[13:59] <ochosi> hf in the woods, ttyl
[14:03] <elfy> slickymasterWork: well re indicators - I either tested a vanilla trusty, or installed a vanilla precise or saucy and tested the upgrade path - given that it was more or less just me and maybe 1 or 2 others at each milestone doing so - I didn't even notice what was going on with indicators other than maybe some missing
[14:04] <ochosi> i think if you do a clean upgrade they're all missing
[14:04] <elfy> possibly 
[14:04] <ochosi> which was actually my main goal of writing that faq, because that's a very obvious thing that needs fixing
[14:05] <elfy> all I was testing was that the upgrade upgraded I'm afraid
[14:05] <slickymasterWork> I don't really remember it now, I just made a couple of upgrade tests 
[14:05] <slickymasterWork> yes, like me elfy 
[14:06] <slickymasterWork> maybe brainwash could be of help with this issue as he also did a lot of testing on the indicators
[14:06] <knome> is there a list of packages that are in the xubuntu packageset somewhere?
[14:10] <slickymasterWork> are you referring to the metapackages in Trusty knome ?
[14:11] <knome> no, not xubuntu-desktop and alike
[14:11] <slickymasterWork> mhm, okay
[14:11] <knome> i'm referring to the list of packages which bluesabre now has upload rights
[14:11] <slickymasterWork> right
[14:12] <knome> whether that was specific for sean or xubuntu, i think it would be useful to have it (linked) in the wiki
[14:14]  * slickymasterWork agrees
[14:16]  * elfy thinks that's a great idea as long as it's not him doing anything with the wiki
[14:16] <knome> elfy, we can surely assign that to you since you love the wiki so much
[14:17] <elfy> assign it to me ;)
[14:17] <elfy> I'll make sure to take a little bit longer to do it than some did at getting a trello id :p
[14:20] <slickymasterWork> ah ah ah
[14:21] <bluesabre> give me a place to drop said packages, and I'll update it this evening
[14:21] <bluesabre> s/packages/package names
[14:21] <bluesabre> (since they are difficult to figure out, as far as I could tell)
[14:22] <knome> bluesabre, you can poke them in my email
[16:48] <ochosi> bluesabre: any chance you could confirm the x-d-s sru quickly?
[16:48] <ochosi> with confirm i of course meant verify
[16:50] <ochosi> !team | if any of you could please help by verifying this SRU, we'd need it *now
[16:50] <ochosi> *
[16:50] <ochosi> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1342065
[16:59] <GridCube> k testing
[16:59] <ochosi> GridCube: you only need to enable -proposed in 14.04, then install the update of x-d-s and then create a new user
[16:59] <ochosi> then check whether the setting described there has changed
[17:00] <elfy> works here doing the new user and suspend
[17:01] <ochosi> cool
[17:01] <elfy> tagged -done
[17:01] <ochosi> could you then please add a comment and set it to verification-done?
[17:01] <ochosi> thanks!
[17:01] <elfy> :)
[17:03] <GridCube> enable trusty-proposed > update > create new user
[17:04] <GridCube> right?
[17:04] <ochosi> yup, that should be it, but it's already verified
[17:04] <ochosi> one person to verify it is generally enough
[17:04] <ochosi> you can still test it though
[17:04] <ochosi> but the patch is only about changing a default setting, so not much that can go wrong there ;)
[17:04] <GridCube> ok
[17:05] <GridCube> :( i havent' been able to do much this cycle
[17:05] <GridCube> and by much i mean anything
[17:05] <ochosi> yeah, don't leave poor elfy alone with qa
[17:06] <ochosi> bluesabre: okeydokey, got your x-d-s patch in at the last second...
[17:06] <GridCube> its hard to do anything when i don't understand two thirds of whats going on
[17:07] <ochosi> following elfy's instructions should do :p
[17:07] <ochosi> gotta go, dinner-time
[17:14] <elfy> GridCube: you don't actually think I know what's going on do you?
[17:15] <GridCube> better than i do
[17:25] <elfy> marginal at best 
[17:43] <elfy> ochosi: sru completed and released to -updates
[18:00] <ochosi> yup
[18:05] <ochosi> one less headache for 14.04.1
[18:05] <elfy> :)
[18:06] <elfy> can't even remember when it releases 
[18:07] <ochosi> pretty soon, its freeze was today
[18:08] <elfy> just been reading -release 
[18:08] <elfy> thursday perhaps - 24th does sound familiar
[18:09] <ochosi> that was the main reason for my nervous pinging before
[18:09] <elfy> I see that now after reading -release :p
[19:45] <Unit193> knome: Nah, I generally rebuild (may grab the whole stack), I don't really just snag a package directly. ;)
[19:59] <knome> mmh.
[20:00] <Unit193> And, nice favicon.
[20:10] <knome> yep