[07:02] a lot of fixes after latest updates [07:03] all icons in homerun kicker, no need to move mouse when icon on taskbar clicked to show app, all icons in system settings :) weee :D [07:03] now if only locales would work [07:03] and activities are finished :) [07:50] Riddell: plasma-workspace depends on [07:50] qtquick1-5-dev, [07:50] qttools5-dev-tools, [07:50] I'd like to know why please [07:50] because that is somewhat excessively wrong [07:53] in fact what's up with all the runtime deps [07:53] some of them have no history and make me go :O [07:53] oxygen-icon-theme, [07:53] ^ that should be a dependency/recommends of breeze-icon-theme [07:53] libkf5service-bin, [07:53] that just shouldn't be explicitly mentioned at all [07:54] libkf5declarative5 neither should this [07:54] udisks2 also a big fat why (considering solid and what have you) [07:54] plasma-framework more why [07:55] whatever has startkde in it should at least recommend udisks2 as it's used there [07:56] ... if the disk detection patch got ported [07:57] shadeslayer, ScottK thank you [07:57] ah that would solve that mystery, probably should be changed to solid eitherway that patch [07:57] shadeslayer: shall we meet at the BSP ? [07:57] in Munich? [07:57] ah yes, welcome ovidiu-florin [08:00] apachelogger: thank you [08:00] shadeslayer: but you have to promise to drink more than one glass [08:01] he have to organize the drinking better this time :P [08:02] everyone does I say [08:03] shadeslayer: the ubiquity from ppa should land in archive [08:03] apachelogger: qtquick1-5-dev qttools5-dev-tools dunno, remove them and see what breaks [08:03] oxygen-icon-theme should be dep of breeze-icon-theme and libkf5kicontheme5 I think [08:04] icontheme5 would actually be wrong right now ;) [08:04] if you remove libkf5service-bin make sure libkf5service5 symbols file adds a dependency onto it [08:04] https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=336739 [08:04] KDE bug 336739 in general "default icon theme still oxygen; should be breeze" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [08:04] apachelogger: why? it falls back to oxygen [08:04] kicontheme does not [08:04] that bug is wrong [08:04] oxygen does the fallback [08:04] breeze is nowhere near complete enough for kicontheme [08:05] that's why it has a fallback [08:05] right now unless you manually configure things or have kde4breeze run you get the oxygen icon set [08:05] which is why rohan had problems with the icons in systemsettings [08:06] they were only present in breeze but due to a bug in kde4breeze the icon set wasn't explicitly flipped to breeze, so the icons simply were unresolvable [08:06] anywho [08:07] dep chain should look like this I think: p-w -> p-d -> breeze -> breeze-icon-theme -> oxygen-icon-theme [08:07] I don't really get why frameworkintegration is needed, but it is [08:07] it provides the qt platform plugin [08:08] without it qicon::fromtheme cannot resolve from whatever icon set is configured in default [08:08] equally I think qfiledialogs will not use kio's filedialog gui etc. [08:08] also I think the widget style will not follow kde settings [08:08] yep [08:08] i.e. all the things will not integrated with frameworks ^^ [08:09] wish someone had told me about it sooner [08:13] dependency resolution by crowd sourcing :P [08:24] guys does the progress bar (in systray) works for you when copying files ? [08:24] *plasma5 [08:26] yep [08:27] didn't work terribly well yesterday, might have been my broken plasma though [08:33] :/ [08:40] this sort stuff in debian/control is very fing annoying [08:40] open file, get to hit pagedown 5 times to see useful stuff... [08:41] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7834883/ *shrug* [08:42] also it causes commits like http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-desktop/revision/17 obstructing bzr annotate..... [08:43] Riddell: why does plasma-desktop depend kde-style-oxygen-qt5, [08:48] apachelogger: so that stuff has a nice widget theme? [08:50] ah, no qtcurve [08:50] should be recommends eitherway IMO :P [08:50] Riddell: why does plasma-desktop depend on gdb? [08:59] apachelogger: hmm, does it [08:59] apachelogger: it used to depend on gdb-minimal which is needed by drkonqi [08:59] that clashes with gdb so it should now depend on gdb-minimal | gdb [09:00] Riddell: drkonqi lives in workspace [09:00] that seems silly [09:00] apachelogger: will you fix that? [09:00] yeah [09:01] also about the sillyness... the separation between desktop and workspace I do not get [09:02] Riddell: also, do we want all other workspace packages as dependency or recommends [09:03] well that's upstream, so you can have plasma mediacentre installed without desktop [09:03] apachelogger: plasma packages are mostly depends in the seeds, what are you thinking of? [09:04] Riddell: that doesn't help the actual packages having crap relationship [09:04] if I install plasma-desktop I should get a plasma-desktop [09:04] not a half broken thing of madness [09:05] so I was thinking recommends khotkeys, kinfocenter, kmenuedit, ksysguard.... and depends only for kio-extras, kde-cli-tools, breeze, plasma-workspace (which is sort of the core you want for a somewhat working desktop) [09:05] that way one could still make a seed conflict a specific package if one of the apps is not desired on the iso [09:14] apachelogger: ok if you think so [09:15] Package: plasma-widget-milou-kf5 [09:15] why the suffix? [09:17] apachelogger: a mistake, feel free to fix [09:33] so much work [09:33] Riddell: I am actually wondering about simply renaming it to milou [09:33] because it contains a lib, the widget and a qml module [09:34] you know, with this pile of different deps for different reasons I'd totally appreciate if we outsourced everything into substvars :S [09:35] apachelogger: go for it [09:35] give them meaningful names and such [09:35] Riddell: the renaming or the substvaring? :P [09:35] renaming to milou [09:35] I don't get what you're thinking with substvars [09:36] I'll show you in a bit [09:36] once I find the documentation for it again ^^ [09:40] Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835072/ [09:40] note line 158 [09:40] oh, actually plasma-framework belongs there as well, incidentially that's why a bit of clarity would help :P [09:43] apachelogger: a magic shlibs for qml files would be great, but not a very easy task [10:06] Riddell: IMHO qml modules should create custom entries in the control listing their actuall addressing names i.e. milou would have 'XB-QMLModule: org.kde.milou, org.kde.kittens' [10:06] that doesn't cover things perfectly (since an app can bend the import dirs) but in general this would work well [10:07] apachelogger: why not just an shqmllibs that reads qmldir files? [10:07] also possible I guess [10:08] Riddell: having it as a control entry allows ondemand installation of deps though [10:09] e.g. I install a plasmoid via plasma itself and that module wants QtQuickMultimedia which is not yet installed, plasma/qt could catch the failed module lookup and provided an installer similar to what we do with gstreamer codecs [10:10] but for that you need the metadata on what imports are provided by a package [10:11] I think that's overengineering [10:11] just an shlibs equivalent so the depends are set right it all anyone needs [10:12] Riddell: they are *exactly* the same thing [10:12] except my proposal would do it on the module package while yours would do it on every package trying to use a module [10:12] apachelogger: you're talking about runtime installing, I'm talking about package build time surely? [10:12] they are also exactly the same, except that your solution is impossible to use runtime :P [10:12] "just" it's obviously not very easy especially if you're snobby about python what will you say to coding in perl :) [10:13] which is why I argue that defining them as control entries is the way to go [10:13] good, I don't want popups all the time saying "now you need to install this, go and fetch someone with the root password" [10:13] Riddell: if you install a plasmoid via plasma and a dep is not there then that is the desired scenario [10:14] because the status quo is "yo, we missing org.kde.yolo.kittens.meow, can't do nothing" [10:14] yes [10:15] but if you install it via muon or apt you expect it to work without installing more stuff [10:15] yes [10:15] which is why my suggestion is superior :P [10:15] you can use it on a package level and you can use it at runtime for dep resolution inside plasma itself [10:16] a simple shlibs-like thing cannot be used at runtime because it requires the package to be already installed (which is the other crux with that btw... you do not actually need the qml modules at build time, so you'd have to install them as bdeps just to be able to resolve their import names) [10:28] actually that is something for ubuntu phone as well [10:28] xnox: do you any automated qml module dependency generation or do you leave that up to app developers to figure out? [10:29] Riddell: why does milou bdep on everything ever? [10:30] apachelogger: app developers -> for clicks they depend on framework which guarantees the deps. [10:30] apachelogger: for debs, i don't think there is anything that auto-generates ${qml:Depends} [10:31] k, less useful for clicks then [10:31] apachelogger: probably it was packaged because I set all the frameworks -dev to dep on what they require [10:31] apachelogger, Riddell, I'd like your aproval for something [10:31] apachelogger: i guess creating a debhelper addon for that, would be useful. [10:31] ovidiu-florin: approved [10:31] :D [10:31] I'd like to make a Kubuntu Board related to Promotion [10:31] and keep the promotion and website stuff over there [10:32] I want to add several cards [10:32] ovidiu-florin: what sort of board? trello? [10:32] and asign some of them to my web developer friend [10:32] yes, trello [10:32] ovidiu-florin: approved [10:33] do I have the rights to make it? [10:33] every organization member can make boards [10:33] done [10:33] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello101 [10:33] I've made it [10:33] oh, wrong url [10:33] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello [10:34] must be visible and allow org member joining and have a couple of admins [10:37] plasma-framework-dev is incredibly inconsistent with the other package names -.- [10:37] can jose be an admin? [10:38] https://trello.com/b/3Fo1KXoN/kubuntu-promotion [10:42] 'Morning folks [10:44] ovidiu-florin: everyone can be an admin for all I care ;) [10:45] the point of having more than one admin is that have no organization admins that can control all boards, so to ensure that someone can admin the board in case the creater is unavailable more than one person needs to be admin :) [10:48] apachelogger: want to join? [10:48] ovidiu-florin: the people listed on the trello wiki page you can basically add everywhere and make admin [10:49] all the usual suspects [10:51] yofel: shadeslayer: Riddell: objections to a next-staging ppa? [10:51] or next-proposed for all I care ;) [10:52] I never got my other staging ppa's :'( [10:52] FWIW, approved [10:52] yofel: never made them? :P [10:52] apachelogger: mm yeah [10:53] thank you [10:53] apachelogger: back then I had no permissions, Riddell always forgot and in the end I did too [10:53] * Riddell begs forgiveness for forgetfulness [10:53] approved ;P [11:14] Riddell, shadeslayer: is kf5 uploading to archive not done yet? [11:15] apachelogger: it's all done but then a rejected a bunch which need re-uploaded [11:15] checked and re-uploaded [11:15] I fixed all the tier 3 ones in bzr [11:15] not sure if there's any tier 1 still to be reuploaded, I don't think so [11:15] ah, ok, that explains it then [11:15] * Riddell working on kdesudo [11:15] I only noticed some kf5s not being greyed out in the ppa ;) [11:16] there's your todo list :) [11:16] still fixing that workspace mess :P [11:21] Riddell: how do we generate the meta package btw? from a seed or manually? [11:21] seed [11:21] bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-plasma5.utopic/ [11:21] but I'm wondering if it was a mistake to rename it to kubuntu-plasma5 [11:21] thx [11:22] since all the other packages don't co-install unless we expect to put them in the ubuntu archive [11:22] * apachelogger notes that we should ditch CK from kde4 somehow [11:22] CK? [11:22] consolekit [11:22] consolekit? [11:22] that thing is still around? [11:22] was pulled in for me anyway [11:22] I did some changes to kdm removing ck support [11:22] I thought "kit" names had gone out of fashion along with qtmultimediakit [11:22] but I think there was something in libs also using CK [11:23] Riddell: *cough* packagekit *cough* [11:23] kshutdown? [11:23] kshutdownkit, yes, what? :P [11:23] something aleix is currently moaning about [11:23] I did not look into it actually [11:23] that rdepends on consolekit whatever it is [11:23] woudn't kshutdown be in workspace [11:24] oh user-manager ? [11:24] dunno why but it depends on it [11:24] user-manager uses CK Oo [11:24] I wouldn't even know why [11:24] would be worth checking if that's sane [11:25] all the stuff user-manager needs should come from accountsservice [11:26] I would think so [11:26] * apachelogger can't actually find what uses ck_ in kdelibs [11:26] :@ [11:28] libpolkit-qt-1-1 [11:28] which in turn is deped upon by kauth [11:28] ubottu: find Qt5Qml [11:29] bot doesn't like me :'< [11:32] apachelogger: already did [11:32] or well, code merged [11:32] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5/+merge/227341 [11:33] I is way ahead of you my friend :p [11:34] shadeslayer: stuck in proposed. [11:34] doh! [11:34] or is it d'oh! [11:34] I forget [11:37] it's phpewwwpheew, that's the sound a jellyfish makes don't you know [11:37] didn't realize jellyfish made noise [11:37] ah [11:38] maybe it's the sound they make when you squish them with your feet [11:38] :O [11:38] * Riddell lunches [11:38] I be hungry too === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks KF5 5.0.0! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/build_status_5.0.0_utopic.html | Congrats to our newest kubuntu-member: ovidiu-florin [11:46] so, no jellyfish anymore [11:46] hurr durr [11:46] wut [11:46] hi Quintasan [11:46] Oo [11:47] where do I get hold of any kmail people [11:47] #kontact [11:47] or #akonadi [11:47] >Could not create collection trash resourceId: 3 [11:47] And just closes [11:47] shadeslayer: sddm-theme-breeze why is that depping sddm? [11:48] akonadiconsole should tell you what that is [11:51] milou rename in staging shortly [11:53] breeze-icon-theme with dep on oxygen-icon-theme also in staging shortly [12:24] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835806/ plz revu [12:25] random note of the day: in plasma-workspace kio-extras will actually elevated to depends because the preview capabilities of the wallpaper dialog depend on it [12:26] that's very much... -extra [12:26] personally I don't quite get why the thumbnailers are in extra when the wallpaper previews depend on it [12:27] it sounds extra [12:28] oh one thing that is on my todo still [12:29] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: shouldn't we depend on >= 5.0 [12:29] looks sane to me... [12:29] given some packages also existed in 4.x we might want to make sure we get the 5.x version [12:35] * yofel can't make up his mind [12:47] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835943/ workspace also needs review [13:07] apachelogger: one would imagine that just installing the theme is useless [13:07] shadeslayer: so is installing a -data package, we don't reverse dep there either though ... [13:08] should be fixed then? [13:08] which one? the data not having a dep cicle of death or sddm technically having one? :P [13:09] shadeslayer: how do we select the sddm theme btw? [13:09] select/configure [13:09] apachelogger: kcm, which doesn't work at the moment [13:09] d_ed is on that [13:09] by default I mean [13:09] I install sddm... how do I get a theme? [13:11] I don't follow,. by default you get maui [13:11] which is a dep of sddm [13:11] unless you do apt-get install sddm sddm-theme-foo [13:11] in which case sddm will not work [13:11] Recommends: sddm-theme | sddm-theme-maui [13:11] shadeslayer: is that the latest? [13:11] yes [13:11] still not correct then [13:12] why not? [13:12] it needs Depends: sddm-theme-maui [13:12] no it does not,we can not install maui and just specify a config [13:12] sddm is quite simply broken if maui is not present, so it's not a recommends and it's also not interchangable with sddm-theme right now [13:12] manually by hand [13:12] shadeslayer: yeah, which is what I said [13:12] the package relationship is broken [13:13] and if you don't sepecify a theme, maui will be installed ootb [13:13] so it will all work [13:13] I disagree [13:13] there's no disagreement to be had [13:13] sudo apt-get install sddm --no-install-recommends && sudo start sddm -> black screen [13:13] that is broken by any definition of the word [13:13] is not installing recommends even supported? [13:14] yes [13:14] Because last I remember, mint does it, and Ubuntu said that they don't supported [13:14] it's the same reason why we *depend* on akonadi-backend-mysql for akonadi-server [13:14] *support it [13:14] because the policy says <> [13:14] even if it's replacable by hand [13:15] apachelogger: so sddm isn't broken [13:15] shadeslayer: sudo apt-get install sddm --no-install-recommends && sudo start sddm -> black screen [13:15] you get a black screen because you don't have a theme [13:15] duh [13:15] that's pretty broken to me... [13:15] it's not like it crashes [13:15] let me fix that for you [13:15] sudo apt-get install sddm-theme-breeze [13:15] sudo apt-get install sddm [13:15] sudo start sddm [13:15] black screen [13:15] I have a theme and a black screen now [13:15] and that's a sddm bug [13:16] no [13:16] that's the packaging being wrong [13:16] because SDDM can't be arsed to check for themes other than maui [13:16] because I *must* have maui for sddm to work [13:16] no [13:16] I can not have maui and have the right config, and it will work [13:17] you can also have akonadi with sqlite and the right config [13:17] its a bug in the code, and not a packaging issue [13:17] yep [13:17] I can also install akonadi [13:17] and then install akonadi-sqlite [13:17] and then configure akonadi to use akonadi-sqlite [13:17] so clearly akonadi shouldn't pull in mysql [13:18] so why does it then? why can't akonadi be fixed so that it uses a installed backend [13:18] shadeslayer: do you have a real hard ETA when the theme lookup issue will be fixed? As in: version or date [13:18] not "soon" [13:18] it doesn't really matter what the ETA is [13:18] right now the package is broken [13:18] yofel: nope, I haven't checked with upstream about this, though I have to [13:18] shadeslayer: just because you say it is a bug doesn't make it a bug [13:19] k I'm done, feel free to do what you think is right, I still don't think it's right [13:19] shadeslayer: FWIW, sure akonadi can be fixed, please go ahead and do it. [13:19] Nobody's done it for years though [13:19] e.g. here is an argument where the behavior of akonadi is legit: if sqlite doesn't load or the database gets corrupted (which can happen) we need a solid fallback, therefore mysql must always be available, although it will not be loaded unless absolutely necessary [13:20] either way [13:20] * yofel doesn't particulary care while sddm is in next, but if it lands in the archive the packaging has to match reality [13:20] as I said there is no discussion to be had [13:20] if I install sddm without recommends it is broken, that's a bug [13:22] shadeslayer: sddm has no bzr branch? [13:26] shadeslayer: nevermind [13:26] * apachelogger too stupid to use own tools [13:39] bzr-buildpackage-ppa now restores orign on sigint :S === apachelogger changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | Congrats to our newest kubuntu-member: ovidiu-florin [13:49] breeze milou and plasma-framework moving from stage to next [13:50] yay [13:55] ovidiu-florin: my phone says I'm to welcome you to twitter [13:55] Don't [13:55] I'm not enjoing it [13:55] It's for a contest [14:14] Riddell: all uploaded [14:22] shadeslayer: kf5? [14:22] ovidiu-florin: if you find a use for it, let me know [14:23] ok [14:24] sddm moving from stage to next [14:31] yay [14:31] Riddell: still waiting on feedback for workspace, desktop and version requirements from earlier btw [14:32] apachelogger: what what? [14:32] I missed that, can you repeat? [14:32] [14:24] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835806/ plz revu [14:32] [14:29] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: shouldn't we depend on >= 5.0 [14:32] [14:47] yofel, shadeslayer, Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7835943/ workspace also needs review [14:33] This would not have happened with Konversation. [14:33] 1) ack'd (with the bit of 5 knowledge I have), 2) can't make up my mind, 3) no time, laterz [14:34] didn't I rename qtdeclarative5-kf5declarative ? [14:35] I dunno [14:35] feed branches-next had 22 updates, showing the latest 6 [14:35] quite frankly this package obeying the qml-module thing is a bit silly anyway [14:35] as it contains multiple different modules [14:35] apachelogger: yes I did, that should be fixed [14:37] apachelogger: plasma-desktop having versioned depends seems sensible [14:38] apachelogger: workspace why plasma-widget-milou-kf5 and milou? [14:38] may want to add your depends changes to changelog [14:38] otherwise all good [14:39] oh [14:39] wut [14:40] god I hate bzr [14:40] so very very very very very much [14:40] bzr++ [14:40] * yofel ducks [14:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7836508/ [14:40] that's the correct one [14:40] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel ^ [14:42] apachelogger: and you're doing the milou package rename too? [14:43] already done [14:43] already went through staging in fact [14:43] apachelogger: then lovely [14:44] uhm i see this packages are not required anymore: kde-style-qtcurve4 kde-style-qtcurve5 sddm-theme-maldives [14:44] and qtcurve is kept back [14:45] also sddm-theme-maldives is not required but qill be installed :) [14:46] The following extra packages will be installed: [14:46] sddm-theme-maui [14:46] The following NEW packages will be installed: [14:46] sddm sddm-theme-maui [14:47] apt disagrees [14:47] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/kde-style-qtcurve4_1.8.18+git20140721-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [14:48] that's not really the error [14:48] yeah [14:49] trying to overwrite "/usr/lib/kde4/kstyle_qtcurve_config.so", which exists also in kde-style-qtcurve 1.8.14-3build1 [14:49] shadeslayer: ^ [14:49] shadeslayer: why the package rename btw? [14:49] should simply be higher version of kde-style-qtcurve IMO [14:49] anyway there are qtcurce, kde-style-qtcurve4 kde-style-qtcurve5 ? [14:50] *qtcurve [14:50] sounds about right [14:51] Good afternoon. [14:51] hi lordievader [14:52]