| nuvolari | o/ good morning :) | 05:21 |
|---|---|---|
| nuvolari | hi Tonberry | 05:21 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: coffee on | 05:21 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 05:21 | |
| nuvolari | Maaz: botsnack | 05:22 |
| Maaz | Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp | 05:22 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for nuvolari! | 05:25 |
| nuvolari | thank you Maaz | 05:26 |
| nuvolari | er | 05:26 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: thanks | 05:26 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Sure | 05:26 |
| nuvolari | fine :-/ | 05:47 |
| nuvolari | moet nie groet nie | 05:47 |
| nuvolari | :P | 05:47 |
| Squirm | morning | 06:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | morning peoples | 06:31 |
| inetpro | good mornings | 07:00 |
| charl | morning inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm, nuvolari | 07:09 |
| charl | Maaz: coffee on | 07:09 |
| * Maaz starts grinding coffee | 07:09 | |
| nuvolari | oh hi inetpro, charl, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm | 07:13 |
| charl | Maaz: hurry up with that coffee, i need to wake up | 07:13 |
| Maaz | charl: Excuse me? | 07:13 |
| charl | nope no excuses hurry up | 07:13 |
| Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 07:13 |
| charl | finally | 07:13 |
| charl | Maaz: thanks ! | 07:13 |
| Maaz | charl: No problem | 07:13 |
| charl | hi Kilos :) | 07:19 |
| Kilos | hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy nuvolari and others | 07:19 |
| Kilos | hi charl lee | 07:19 |
| Kilos | dag Spekko | 07:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo, 'lo & 'lo | 07:26 |
| Kilos | haha | 07:26 |
| Kilos | inetpro, ping | 07:34 |
| charl | i'm in a good mood this morning | 07:46 |
| charl | maybe it's because i slept so well | 07:46 |
| charl | i could hardly get up this morning | 07:46 |
| Kilos | lol | 07:50 |
| Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 07:50 |
| Vince-0 | o/ Oom Kilos | 07:54 |
| Kilos | when you gonna add something interesting to the agenda Vince-0 | 08:00 |
| Vince-0 | ha! I've been so busy here trying to start a company | 08:03 |
| Kilos | aha | 08:03 |
| Kilos | yours? | 08:03 |
| Vince-0 | hopefully | 08:04 |
| Kilos | good | 08:04 |
| Vince-0 | ;-) I think kbmonkey won't make it to chair this eve | 08:05 |
| Vince-0 | I haven't been keeping up with the Canonical news, | 08:06 |
| Kilos | ya he told me, is he ok | 08:06 |
| Kilos | he didnt answer when i asked is he ok | 08:06 |
| Vince-0 | probably busy with work too | 08:06 |
| Vince-0 | I'm sure I can dig up some news feed items about Ubuntu | 08:08 |
| Vince-0 | I remember there being a desktop environment productivity study somewhere | 08:08 |
| Kilos | also we need to find out what we can do to improve our connectivity in za | 08:09 |
| Kilos | like to to email and rev | 08:09 |
| Kilos | Maaz, google south african minister of communication | 08:10 |
| Maaz | Kilos: "Department Of Communications" http://www.doc.gov.za/ :: "Minister of Communications (South Africa) - Wikipedia, the free ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Communications_(South_Africa) :: "Department of Telecommunications and Postal Services - Wikipedia ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Telecommunications_and_Postal_Services :: | 08:10 |
| Maaz | "Blog: South Africa's new communications ministry causes concern" http://cpj.org/blog/2014/0… | 08:10 |
| Vince-0 | ha | 08:10 |
| Kilos | i dunno what one would call that minister | 08:10 |
| Vince-0 | cape town's pushing big fibre projects | 08:11 |
| Kilos | ive found that if one complains to the top they get great pleasure in revving everyone beneath them | 08:11 |
| Kilos | yes fibre is the answer, but they need to wake up peeps like voda with their adds of how wonderful they are | 08:12 |
| Kilos | take bushtech for example, he gets utms from them but yoyos all the time, they have no excuse for that | 08:13 |
| Vince-0 | Here's the untiy productivity article | 08:14 |
| Vince-0 | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml | 08:14 |
| Kilos | connectivity wise i cant complain, because im online nearly all the time | 08:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | heh | 08:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you want the ZA ubuntu loco to shout at govt to improve connectivity? | 08:19 |
| === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle | ||
| Kilos | not as a loco but as individuals | 08:20 |
| Kilos | the peeps at the top just sit and enjoy their incomes and perks, so, if no one informs them of what probs there are they just park off | 08:21 |
| inetpro | Kilos: pong | 08:22 |
| inetpro | oh and hi | 08:23 |
| Kilos | like pta govt section, i used to have power cuts almost daily everytime the wind blew or it rained and complaining didnt help | 08:23 |
| Kilos | i then got hold of the mayor and within 2 weeks all trees near lines were trimmed or removed and since then power has been quite stable | 08:24 |
| Kilos | ohi inetpro are you ok? | 08:24 |
| Kilos | meeting tonight | 08:24 |
| nuvolari | what meeting? | 08:24 |
| nuvolari | o.O | 08:24 |
| Kilos | ai! | 08:24 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: govt is forever making noise about improving connectivity | 08:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | as with many things, awareness isn't the issue, lack of action is | 08:25 |
| Kilos | yes ThatGraemeGuy that is | 08:25 |
| Kilos | um | 08:25 |
| Kilos | er | 08:25 |
| Kilos | just political talk to get votes | 08:25 |
| Kilos | when contacted at the top they actually do things | 08:26 |
| Kilos | all the speaches you here are written and read and not absorbed, one needs to actually make them act on complaints or issues | 08:27 |
| Kilos | read speeches go above or through minds | 08:28 |
| nuvolari | but guys/ladies, remember, the previous regime kept the interwebs away from us before 1994! :P | 08:29 |
| Kilos | 20 years ago | 08:29 |
| nuvolari | ok, sorry, we're not supposed to discuss politics IIRC | 08:29 |
| nuvolari | :P | 08:29 |
| Kilos | we as net users must do something to improve the net for us and future users | 08:30 |
| Kilos | as they say if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the prize | 08:30 |
| nuvolari | oom Kilos, it only went mainstream globally in 1994 | 08:31 |
| nuvolari | IIRC :P | 08:31 |
| Kilos | just lurking and complaining will never have any results | 08:31 |
| Kilos | nuvolari, im mainly thinking of poor stability atm | 08:32 |
| Kilos | youve all had it when trying to attend a meet or something | 08:32 |
| Kilos | if someone can point me to the correct peeps to contact ill do the mailing | 08:33 |
| === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] | ||
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, i got my mv setup working , is it weaker than the lv setup? or did i do something wrong | 09:16 |
| Kilos | oh and what are solar panels for | 09:16 |
| Kilos | i have made some but they dont connect like the things with a cross inside | 09:17 |
| Kilos | haha were there no comments or opinions to that link that unity is king | 09:21 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:21 |
| Kilos | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml | 09:21 |
| Kilos | i think im the only one here using it still | 09:21 |
| charl | i don't think it's that bad actually | 09:23 |
| charl | ubuntu one is closing down / | 09:24 |
| charl | ? | 09:24 |
| nuvolari | charl: eh? you didn't get the annoying notifications? :P | 09:25 |
| Kilos | i read why somewhere, but as in my case maybe it wasnt utilised as it could be | 09:25 |
| charl | nuvolari: no somebody else i know just forwarded me a mail | 09:25 |
| charl | i never use ubuntu one | 09:25 |
| charl | cloud storage in general | 09:26 |
| charl | at work we have a owncloud based thing now | 09:26 |
| Kilos | it worked quite fine to share things | 09:26 |
| charl | but i'll keep it to that | 09:26 |
| charl | i'm interested to know why they decided to cancel their service now | 09:26 |
| charl | considering that those types of tools are all the rage at the moment | 09:26 |
| charl | maybe not profitable enough ? | 09:27 |
| Kilos | it was in the earlier emails i think charl that they gave the reason why | 09:27 |
| charl | ah ok never got them | 09:27 |
| Kilos | http://askubuntu.com/questions/444930/why-is-ubuntu-one-going-to-be-shut-down | 09:28 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: solar panel produces power | 09:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the "thing with the cross" is a solar array, it also makes power, but more than a panel | 09:31 |
| Kilos | you connect them with same cables ThatGraemeGuy ? | 09:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | MV stuff uses MV cables | 09:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | LV stuff LV cables | 09:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | guess what you use for HV stuff? :P | 09:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | LV/MV/HV is low/medium/high voltage | 09:32 |
| Kilos | oh i didnt notice if they were mv or lv | 09:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lv is white cables | 09:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mv cables are black | 09:32 |
| Kilos | ya i got that far | 09:32 |
| charl | http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/ | 09:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | hv cables are black and yellow stripes | 09:32 |
| Kilos | do your mv arrays also supply less power than the lv ones with same number of them cross things | 09:34 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:34 |
| Kilos | i get 2500 from 5 lv ones and 1500 from same number mv ones | 09:35 |
| Kilos | but they are on the opposit side of the roof | 09:36 |
| Kilos | opposite | 09:36 |
| Kilos | that thing | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | same height | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ? | 09:37 |
| Kilos | yip | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | weird | 09:37 |
| Kilos | ill check again tonight | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | wait | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | are they MV panels or MV arrays? | 09:37 |
| Kilos | arrays for both | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you have LV arrays if i recall correctly | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | oh | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | weird | 09:37 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mine are HV, so i can't compare | 09:38 |
| Kilos | was major work making mv arrays | 09:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yea its a lot of effort | 09:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the idea is to make you work for the more useful stuff | 09:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 09:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | wait until you build a mining laser ;) | 09:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | a mk3 one is a huge amount of resources | 09:39 |
| Kilos | i found a rank3 chest in new server too | 09:39 |
| Kilos | got to bronze tools haha | 09:39 |
| Kilos | and i found lava | 09:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you digging down? | 09:39 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | don't get too comfortable there ;) | 09:39 |
| Kilos | wen into a cave then kept going down | 09:40 |
| Kilos | went | 09:40 |
| Kilos | just put lights and kept going | 09:40 |
| Kilos | nope was just looking what ores there are, no mese yet | 09:41 |
| Kilos | but lots of new stuffs | 09:41 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | mese only starts arouns -128 isn't it? | 09:42 |
| Kilos | i dunno | 09:43 |
| Kilos | but it works kiff just empty of bulidings | 09:44 |
| Kilos | buildings and roads | 09:44 |
| Kilos | hehe | 09:44 |
| Kilos | the main one is very lekker with everything in | 09:45 |
| Kilos | when we all got lazer guns you can turn on the monsters | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lol | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lasers are for mining | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | killing monsters is work for swords | 09:46 |
| Kilos | dont they kill peeps too? | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lasers? don't know | 09:46 |
| Kilos | im sure they will | 09:46 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | its a mining laser, don't know if the mod was written to damage players | 09:47 |
| Kilos | and everything behind the monster too haha | 09:47 |
| Kilos | picks kill peeps | 09:47 |
| Kilos | that lazer is an impressive tool | 09:48 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | picks damage players because that's how the code was written | 09:48 |
| Kilos | aha | 09:52 |
| Kilos | the only code i know is ...---... | 09:53 |
| Kilos | .... --- .-- -.. --- -.-- --- ..- -.. --- ..--.. | 09:54 |
| Kilos | hehe maaz makes it so easy | 09:54 |
| Squirm | got my new PC last night | 10:38 |
| Kilos | cool | 10:47 |
| Kilos | you happy? | 10:47 |
| Kilos | ai! some peeps | 11:01 |
| Kilos | come help yourself to pecan nuts but dont use the gate, rather cut the fence | 11:02 |
| === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle | ||
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: where did you dig on the new map? | 11:21 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, i didnt dig i went into a cave | 11:29 |
| Kilos | are you there now? | 11:30 |
| Kilos | ill pop in so you can find me | 11:30 |
| Kilos | sorry i took so long, was having lunch | 11:31 |
| charl | good afternoon folks | 11:54 |
| charl | busy busy today whow | 11:54 |
| charl | does Maaz do esperesso ? i need a double one i think | 11:55 |
| charl | doppio | 11:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 11:55 |
| Kilos | he makes boeretroos | 11:56 |
| charl | as long as it's freshly ground biological coffee | 11:56 |
| Kilos | always fresh , written in python | 11:57 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png | 11:59 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm going to delete that map | 12:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | stopped the server so long | 12:00 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the orange in the forest is fire, by the way | 12:00 |
| Kilos | ok | 12:13 |
| Kilos | wow ThatGraemeGuy big one hey | 12:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 12:14 |
| Kilos | did you see if that thing was a dungeon | 12:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | when i was underground i picked up some lava into a lava can | 12:14 |
| Kilos | haha naughty | 12:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and then i was cutting trees and i guess i accidentally mousewheeled or something, because instead of cutting a tree i put down a lava block :( | 12:14 |
| Kilos | uh oh | 12:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | i'm looking into how rollback works | 12:15 |
| Kilos | you rush too much | 12:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | there is apparently a rollback function so you can undo something | 12:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not sure though | 12:15 |
| Kilos | its not serious | 12:15 |
| Kilos | we havent done anything there really | 12:15 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you remember waaay back when you were playing with lava and pouring it from high into a lake? | 12:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | this is why i warned you to be careful ;-) | 12:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | although in this case i was in a jungle, which is pretty much the worst place to drop lava | 12:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | jungle grass and trees grow very close together :-/ | 12:19 |
| Kilos | lol we made that lake mooi man | 12:19 |
| Kilos | ive built some walls around so it can be filled again even higher | 12:20 |
| Kilos | then we can make layered places | 12:21 |
| Kilos | did you see the glass house the fly built under that lake | 12:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | no | 12:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | remind me tonight, will check it out | 12:22 |
| Kilos | i drowned a coupla times just trying to get to the entrance | 12:22 |
| Kilos | ok | 12:22 |
| Kilos | we can call it atlantis | 12:22 |
| Kilos | and start a colony of mermaid peeps that work outside | 12:24 |
| Kilos | hehe | 12:24 |
| Kilos | we havent had one female visitor yet | 12:24 |
| Kilos | sjoe | 12:24 |
| * Kilos goes to kde. wbb | 12:27 | |
| Kilos | hmm... | 12:30 |
| Kilos | my unity is corrupt somewhere | 12:30 |
| Kilos | Maaz hi | 12:31 |
| Maaz | Howzit Kilos | 12:31 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png | 12:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | water didn't help | 12:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if you stand still it seems that fire only spreads a certain distance | 12:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | except some fire still exists at the edge of that distance | 12:32 |
| Kilos | ah | 12:32 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and as soon as you move closer more stuff starts burning | 12:33 |
| Kilos | like everything else it needs new source to carry on | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you see that square, i was standing at the centre of it, so it only burned until that distance | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | didn't spread, but i could still see fire at the edges of the square | 12:33 |
| Kilos | weird | 12:33 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | and as soon as i moved closer it started spreading again | 12:33 |
| Kilos | dont peeps get burned | 12:34 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 12:34 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if you stand right in it | 12:34 |
| Kilos | eish more system updates available | 12:34 |
| Kilos | i know lava really cooks you, i have the pile of bones to prove it | 12:37 |
| magespawn | good afternoon all | 13:33 |
| charl | hi magespawn :) | 13:38 |
| magespawn | hey charl | 13:38 |
| nuvolari | ai keeel you! slf4j is a pile of nonsense | 13:54 |
| nuvolari | anyone around that knows how to tame it? | 13:54 |
| charl | nuvolari: have you tried log4j | 13:57 |
| charl | logging in java is a mess in any case | 13:57 |
| magespawn | anyone know for sure what frequencies are unlicensed in south africa? | 14:03 |
| nuvolari | charl: it's a 3rd party lib using it | 14:04 |
| nuvolari | charl: I might be missing the point of all the logging frameworks, but we've been quite happy with JUL | 14:05 |
| nuvolari | but yeah, agreed, logging is a PITA | 14:05 |
| charl | a pita? looking it up | 14:08 |
| charl | oh, now i see :) thought it sounded a bit like spanish puta | 14:09 |
| nuvolari | lol | 14:12 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | magespawn: you mean spectrum available for licensing or bands that may be used without licence? | 14:13 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | either way, icasa likely has the information | 14:14 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | whether its easily understood is a different question | 14:15 |
| magespawn | ThatGraemeGuy, that is the problem, i am looking at the bands that can be used without a licence | 14:17 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | what are you doing? | 14:18 |
| magespawn | i understood that 2.4Ghz and 5.2Ghz where un-licensed | 14:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | offhand i know of 2.4GHz and 5GHz | 14:18 |
| magespawn | looking into wug and other wan network ideas | 14:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah that's where 802.11 stuff goes | 14:18 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah | 14:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | yeah thats what they use | 14:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-24ghz-c-38?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2 and http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-5ghz-c-37?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2 | 14:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | with WUG its best to get in touch with your local guys, they are typically quite helpful | 14:19 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | well the CTWUG guys are at least | 14:19 |
| magespawn | also i think that if it goes out your property you still have to apply to icasa for licence exemption | 14:20 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | which equipment you need is dependant on what's already in place near you | 14:20 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not sure | 14:20 |
| magespawn | that is what i understand from icasa | 14:21 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | but contact your WUG people, they will likely know all the answers already. no need to get lost alone, rely on the community | 14:21 |
| magespawn | i think the durban one will be the closest | 14:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | where are you? | 14:22 |
| magespawn | Empangeni currently but mostly Hluhluwe | 14:22 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah | 14:24 |
| magespawn | i did not know about that supplier, thanks for those links | 14:25 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | np | 14:26 |
| magespawn | also from icasa if you provide any service to a third party regardless of the frequency you use you have to be licensed | 14:26 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | the WUG people typically have an IRC hangout that's usually a good place to lurk for a bit | 14:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you are supplying yourself with service :P | 14:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | if there was an ICASA hassle they would've shut down the WUGs already | 14:27 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | seriously, talk to your WUG people, they have all these answers already, no sense trying to speculate or make sense of ICASA nonsense | 14:28 |
| Kilos | hi magespawn Gremble lemme catch up | 14:35 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 14:37 |
| magespawn | i think WUG fall under the exemption part of the rules | 14:38 |
| magespawn | i agree with that ThatGraemeGuy | 14:40 |
| charl | these issues are often a legal grey area, just like many others | 14:46 |
| charl | if you join a wug, you have strength in numbers | 14:47 |
| charl | besides, you can simply state it's community building | 14:47 |
| charl | rather join a larger existing group of people than trying to go at it yourself | 14:47 |
| Kilos | he is miles away from any wugs charl | 14:48 |
| Kilos | magespawn is this for home town or pangeni | 14:49 |
| magespawn | home town Kilos | 14:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: wug links can be up to 50km depending on equipment and environment | 14:49 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | they're a bit more powerful than your WiFi AP at home ;-) | 14:49 |
| Kilos | he is more than 50k from pangeni i think | 14:50 |
| magespawn | i am not sure but i think the nearest 250km + | 14:50 |
| Kilos | ya | 14:50 |
| magespawn | in durban | 14:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | ah, that might be a significant hurdle | 14:50 |
| charl | nope no luck there | 14:50 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | you will have to build repeaters ;-) | 14:50 |
| charl | you're going to need multiple relays indeed | 14:50 |
| magespawn | i have not found anything here in empangeni | 14:50 |
| Kilos | magespawn hometown including parks? | 14:50 |
| magespawn | just the town and any out lying farmers that want to join | 14:51 |
| charl | magespawn: speak to the DWC guys, they were making a killing | 14:51 |
| Kilos | haha you gonna make them pay with pineapples | 14:51 |
| magespawn | might be an idea | 14:52 |
| charl | magespawn: they might already have some long-range relay points | 14:52 |
| magespawn | DWC ? | 14:52 |
| charl | the DWC used to be big, i don't know how they are right now | 14:52 |
| charl | my knowlege about za is outdated :) | 14:52 |
| charl | http://www.dwc.za.net/ | 14:52 |
| Kilos | magespawn is quite clued up with wifi equipment already he has done that one resort in a park iirc | 14:53 |
| Kilos | its just the legal stuff hey magespawn ? | 14:53 |
| Kilos | been in your mind more than a year now | 14:54 |
| magespawn | yup i have sort out the licence exemption services and networks application | 14:54 |
| charl | bbl all | 14:55 |
| magespawn | had a visit from the icasa compliance and enforcement officer today | 14:55 |
| charl | meeting tonight ? | 14:55 |
| Kilos | aha | 14:55 |
| Kilos | yes charl | 14:55 |
| charl | ok bbl then :) | 14:55 |
| Kilos | Maaz announce monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps | 14:56 |
| Maaz | Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps | 14:56 |
| Kilos | inetpro ^^ 1 | 14:56 |
| Kilos | nuvolari ^^2 | 14:57 |
| Kilos | superfly ^^3 | 14:57 |
| Kilos | plustwo hi there are you attending? | 14:58 |
| === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] | ||
| Kilos | hmm... | 15:09 |
| Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy have you noticed, one can install ubuntu as an OEM as well | 15:10 |
| Kilos | i saw it on a dvd for the first time | 15:11 |
| Kilos | wb Vince-0 you at home now? | 15:27 |
| Vince-0 | oh hey | 15:27 |
| Vince-0 | I am indeed | 15:27 |
| Vince-0 | hopefully one day I won't have to leave home to go to work | 15:28 |
| Kilos | thats the ideal | 15:28 |
| Kilos | but you find when you work for yourself you put much more effort and time in | 15:29 |
| Vince-0 | at least then its not working for the man! | 15:30 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:31 |
| Kilos | you find you are a harder taskmaster on yourself than anyone else was | 15:31 |
| Vince-0 | I do envy the farm dwellers somewhat. Been watching Doomsday Preppers lol | 15:32 |
| Kilos | living on a farm is lekker but farming is hard work 24/7 | 15:33 |
| Kilos | when not working you worry about what you should have already done | 15:33 |
| Vince-0 | I like the idea of being self sufficient, subsintence etc | 15:35 |
| Kilos | yes it is a satisfying achievement, you can look in the mirror and say hi boss | 15:37 |
| Kilos | hi Tonberry meeting tonight hey | 15:37 |
| Kilos | note tuesday | 15:37 |
| Vince-0 | I guess you need some service provider for internet at least | 15:37 |
| Tonberry | hi. | 15:37 |
| Tonberry | I'll see if I can make it. | 15:37 |
| Kilos | no beer night on tuesday its on monday | 15:38 |
| Kilos | hehe | 15:38 |
| Vince-0 | so do we have a chair person? | 15:39 |
| Kilos | nuvolari said he would chair for us | 15:39 |
| Vince-0 | 'cos I'm not sure on the bot commands etc - perhaps an instructional how to is in order | 15:39 |
| Kilos | i have them saved somewhere. hopefully not on the crashed 500g drive | 15:40 |
| Kilos | first is to get permission from the pro | 15:41 |
| Kilos | hi bushtech meeting tonight at 20.30 hey | 15:41 |
| bushtech | Thans Kilos will try & stay up & Vodacom willing | 15:42 |
| Kilos | lol | 15:42 |
| bushtech | been up since 4 so it's a race between bed & vodacom | 15:49 |
| Kilos | why so early | 15:50 |
| bushtech | car service, closest subie stealership in midrand | 15:52 |
| bushtech | didn't know I drive a Lambo, wanted to charge me R7,600 for a rear silencer box. Told him where he can put it | 15:55 |
| Kilos | wow | 15:56 |
| bushtech | new box from performance exhaust place R800 | 15:56 |
| Kilos | what a diffs hey | 15:57 |
| bushtech | a factor of 10 | 15:58 |
| Kilos | yip | 15:59 |
| Kilos | what car is it | 15:59 |
| magespawn | dealerships are always more expensive, the price for keeping the warrenty intact | 15:59 |
| bushtech | and what makes me really cross is the women who bring their cars in, don't know any better and just have to hoes | 15:59 |
| Kilos | yeah | 16:00 |
| bushtech | Forester | 16:00 |
| magespawn | some men too | 16:00 |
| bushtech | for sure | 16:00 |
| bushtech | but their prices ensures that their head mechanic has got a very lucrative business at home lol | 16:02 |
| Gremble | o/ | 16:02 |
| Kilos | lol | 16:05 |
| Gremble | I once took my Bantam to a mechanic to replace the rear brakes and fix the handbrake. After I got it back both my back bearings destroyed my drums and the handbrake did not work. | 16:08 |
| Gremble | I don't have a car at the moment | 16:08 |
| Kilos | eish | 16:08 |
| Gremble | Not a fan. Haha. The reason I took it to him was because I struggled to replace the rear brakes myself. | 16:10 |
| Gremble | Drums are a pain in the arse | 16:10 |
| Kilos | ai! | 16:10 |
| bushtech | Yeah! need to note where everything goes & which way & which side | 16:11 |
| Kilos | when you have a car its good to try get a correct workshop manual. everything is explained nicely in them | 16:11 |
| magespawn | Haynes Workshop manuals | 16:12 |
| Gremble | ^ Those manuals are so expensive though | 16:12 |
| Gremble | I tried to find one on the internet | 16:12 |
| magespawn | http://www.autobooks.co.za/ | 16:13 |
| bushtech | make very very good friends with the parts manager & try to get a st of workshop manuals out of him | 16:13 |
| bushtech | s/st set | 16:13 |
| Gremble | ;p | 16:13 |
| Kilos | yes they are magespawn but work out what you save paying someone else | 16:14 |
| magespawn | yes they are fairly pricey, but if you think about the money saved on services | 16:14 |
| Kilos | worth every cent | 16:14 |
| Kilos | also you can look at libraries too and photostat needed pages | 16:14 |
| Kilos | and at them flee markets on sundays, ive seen many being sold for like 50 bucks | 16:15 |
| bushtech | you can also find workshop manuals free online but it's a long hunt | 16:16 |
| Kilos | yip | 16:17 |
| Kilos | even qualified mechanics use manuals at times | 16:19 |
| Vince-0 | I use google howto's every day | 16:20 |
| Kilos | lol the pro loves saying google is your friend | 16:36 |
| magespawn | see you guys at the meeting later | 16:54 |
| Kilos | ok magespawn | 16:54 |
| Kilos | i go est | 17:02 |
| Kilos | eat too | 17:02 |
| Kilos | inetpro no g+ reminder for the meet yet! | 17:22 |
| Kilos | ai! ek sukkel darem met my volk | 17:23 |
| Kilos | nuvolari ping | 17:34 |
| Kilos | Vince-0 can you do us a favour and just announce on g+ about the meeting please, it should get to inetpro and his circles hey? | 17:35 |
| charl | good evening | 17:42 |
| magespawn | hey Kilos | 17:51 |
| magespawn | wb charl | 17:51 |
| Kilos | wb magespawn | 17:51 |
| Kilos | hi charl | 17:51 |
| magespawn | what time for the meeting? 20:30? | 17:52 |
| Kilos | did the rain cool things down well | 17:52 |
| Kilos | yip magespawn | 17:52 |
| magespawn | ty Kilos | 17:55 |
| Kilos | yw | 17:56 |
| Vince-0 | Kilos: ok | 17:56 |
| Kilos | Vince-0 ty | 17:56 |
| Vince-0 | I just reshared the community page with time | 17:58 |
| Kilos | cool ty | 17:59 |
| Kilos | im sure he said it would notify automatically | 17:59 |
| Kilos | but doesnt look like it anymore | 17:59 |
| Kilos | luckily we dont have anything serious to discuss i think | 18:01 |
| Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 18:03 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | lo | 18:06 |
| Kilos | do you know ofhand where i turn off popup notifications | 18:07 |
| Kilos | when i move my mouse they popup from all over the place | 18:08 |
| Kilos | the one here in konversation when i hover over nicks is fine | 18:09 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | example? | 18:10 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | screenshot maybe? | 18:10 |
| Kilos | lol i hit f12 but dunno if it took one and if it did where is it | 18:13 |
| Kilos | hahaha | 18:13 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | are you talking about minetest? | 18:17 |
| Kilos | no man kubuntu | 18:17 |
| Kilos | and the normal popups when you move yourt mouse over things | 18:18 |
| magespawn | brb | 18:19 |
| Kilos | i cant remember them being so annoying on 12.04 | 18:19 |
| Kilos | maybe i got old | 18:19 |
| Kilos | are you in the game ThatGraemeGuy ? | 18:20 |
| Kilos | ai! these multitaskers | 18:23 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | not yet just testhing something | 18:23 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:23 |
| Kilos | you should start napping from tomorrow night from 8 or 9 till 11 then we can play | 18:24 |
| Kilos | i only manage about an hour anyway | 18:24 |
| Kilos | the chair will be here soon | 18:28 |
| Kilos | bushtech wb are you sure you havent got some timeout stting going | 18:28 |
| Kilos | setting | 18:28 |
| bushtech | no,why | 18:29 |
| Kilos | the idle thing | 18:29 |
| Kilos | you stay online for long periods | 18:29 |
| bushtech | just rebooted laptop | 18:30 |
| Kilos | ah | 18:30 |
| * nuvolari sings *please forgive me, for running late...* | 18:31 | |
| nuvolari | oh hi :) | 18:31 |
| nuvolari | wb bushtech_ | 18:31 |
| * nuvolari opens up agenda | 18:32 | |
| Kilos | lol | 18:32 |
| bushtech_ | but that was not a reboot, just disconnected by itself | 18:32 |
| Kilos | we min tonight | 18:32 |
| nuvolari | did the wiki layout change? | 18:32 |
| Kilos | oh my | 18:33 |
| Kilos | thats pro and monkey that play there | 18:33 |
| Kilos | and both not here | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | the ubuntu wiki oom | 18:33 |
| Kilos | sigh | 18:33 |
| Kilos | oh | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | meh, authentication hangs... | 18:33 |
| nuvolari | ok, right | 18:34 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meeting, July 2014 | 18:35 |
| * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles | 18:35 | |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Welcome | 18:35 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Welcome | 18:35 |
| nuvolari | Welcome everyone | 18:35 |
| nuvolari | well, everyone that could make it | 18:35 |
| Kilos | ty nuvolari | 18:35 |
| superfly | Ohi | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | we're not running on all the cylinders tonight | 18:36 |
| Kilos | hi superfly wb | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | hi superfly | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt | 18:36 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Done | 18:36 |
| charl | Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk | 18:36 |
| Maaz | charl: Sure | 18:36 |
| Kilos | Maaz I am Miles Sharpe | 18:36 |
| Maaz | Kilos: Okay | 18:36 |
| superfly | Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman | 18:36 |
| Maaz | superfly: Okay | 18:36 |
| Kilos | hi fulcrum welcome to ubuntu-za | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | Please identify yourself or risk not showing up in the meeting minutes | 18:36 |
| fulcrum | Lo | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | hi fulcrum, welcome | 18:36 |
| nuvolari | are you joining us for the meeting fulcrum ? | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: botsnack | 18:37 |
| Maaz | Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp | 18:37 |
| fulcrum | Saw it on g+ and thought I would take a gander | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | so, I've been very quiet, and hopefully that will change | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | hi amanica_, welcome | 18:37 |
| bushtech_ | Maaz: I am dries Laubscher | 18:37 |
| Maaz | bushtech_: Okay | 18:37 |
| Kilos | hi amanica_ | 18:37 |
| nuvolari | awesome, we hope you enjoy it fulcrum :) | 18:37 |
| amanica_ | hi all :) | 18:38 |
| Kilos | fulcrum you are welcome to join in | 18:38 |
| amanica_ | Maaz: I am Marius Kruger | 18:38 |
| Maaz | amanica_: Done | 18:38 |
| fulcrum | Also a good reason to muck about with an irc client on Android :-) | 18:38 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:38 |
| nuvolari | We are past halfway for this year... it's been a busy year and I can't believe it's July already | 18:38 |
| nuvolari | Vince-0: ping, you here? | 18:39 |
| Kilos | everyone is just too busy these days | 18:39 |
| Vince-0 | Maaz: I am Vincent Swart | 18:39 |
| Maaz | Vince-0: Done | 18:39 |
| Vince-0 | yar | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | \o/ | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | welcome | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | oh, welcome to all the new people | 18:39 |
| nuvolari | there are a couple of nicks I don't recognise | 18:40 |
| superfly | Quassel FTW | 18:40 |
| Kilos | lol where are you superfly ? | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | ok, moving on... | 18:40 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes | 18:41 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes | 18:41 |
| superfly | Vince-0: thanks for the reminder on G+ | 18:41 |
| amanica_ | +1 | 18:41 |
| nuvolari | previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.txt | 18:41 |
| superfly | Kilos: currently downstairs, using my Kindle Fire HDX | 18:41 |
| Kilos | cool | 18:41 |
| * nuvolari catches up on what happened last time | 18:42 | |
| Kilos | inetpro ping | 18:42 |
| * superfly will try to keep an eye on things while he washes dishes | 18:43 | |
| Kilos | ty superfly | 18:43 |
| superfly | Just mention my name if you need me. | 18:43 |
| Kilos | ok | 18:44 |
| * nuvolari sees mention of SFD on a Caturday | 18:44 | |
| nuvolari | and I'll be a Capetonian by then :D | 18:45 |
| Kilos | hehe | 18:45 |
| superfly | nuvolari: where in the promised land will you be? | 18:45 |
| nuvolari | superfly: claremont, well, working in claremont, I'm still nest-hunting | 18:46 |
| superfly | Look in plumstead/diep river | 18:46 |
| nuvolari | superfly: cool, thanks! I'll have a look | 18:47 |
| * nuvolari oggles https://u.fsf.org/yu | 18:47 | |
| nuvolari | ok, does anyone want to talk about something from the previous meeting's minutes? | 18:49 |
| nuvolari | no? | 18:49 |
| * nuvolari slips away for a quick bite | 18:49 | |
| nuvolari | ok, moving on | 18:51 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Releases | 18:51 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Releases | 18:51 |
| nuvolari | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases | 18:51 |
| * nuvolari remains on 12.04.4 LTS | 18:51 | |
| nuvolari | I have support until April '17 | 18:52 |
| nuvolari | feels like until forever in terms of software | 18:52 |
| Vince-0 | ha | 18:53 |
| Kilos | 14.04 is good nuvolari | 18:53 |
| nuvolari | so in 3 months we have Utopic Unicorn | 18:53 |
| nuvolari | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn | 18:54 |
| * Kilos will stick with lts | 18:54 | |
| nuvolari | +1 | 18:54 |
| * bushtech_ also on 1204 | 18:54 | |
| nuvolari | What's a Tahr? | 18:55 |
| Kilos | some animal | 18:55 |
| amanica_ | I'm quite happy 14.04, not much changed from 13.10 :) | 18:55 |
| nuvolari | I'd say it's where the tyre meets the road... but I might be wrong :P | 18:55 |
| amanica_ | some goat | 18:55 |
| Kilos | lol | 18:56 |
| nuvolari | http://www.howopensource.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ubuntu-14.04-Trusty-Tahr.jpg | 18:56 |
| Kilos | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahr | 18:56 |
| Gremble | That goat has a magnificent beard | 18:57 |
| Kilos | so what happens after 6 more releases | 18:57 |
| Kilos | we start at A again or what | 18:58 |
| amanica_ | back to a | 18:58 |
| amanica_ | yep | 18:58 |
| Kilos | awesome ape | 18:58 |
| nuvolari | wait, what am I missing? when did we move back to the wiki for events? | 18:58 |
| nuvolari | I thought it used to be based on launchpad or something | 18:59 |
| Kilos | dont worry just use it | 19:01 |
| * nuvolari mainly forgot wiki syntax | 19:01 | |
| nuvolari | What would the topics be for next month? :P | 19:01 |
| Kilos | just same basic topics | 19:02 |
| * nuvolari spends some time planning ahead and updating the event | 19:02 | |
| superfly | MoinMoin syntax is horrible... Then again, so is mediawiki | 19:02 |
| nuvolari | markdown ftw | 19:02 |
| superfly | rST or Markdown would be so much better | 19:02 |
| nuvolari | rst? | 19:02 |
| * nuvolari googles | 19:02 | |
| superfly | I prefer reStructuredText, but I'm getting used to markdown | 19:03 |
| superfly | Its kinda Python's default syntax | 19:04 |
| nuvolari | ooh nice, it's quite extensive | 19:04 |
| superfly | Yeah, it's meant for writing technical documentation... The Python docs are written using it | 19:05 |
| nuvolari | moving on, | 19:07 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Events | 19:07 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Events | 19:07 |
| nuvolari | http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/ | 19:07 |
| nuvolari | SFD on the 20th of September | 19:07 |
| nuvolari | Are there any plans in the works yet? | 19:08 |
| Kilos | i dont think so | 19:08 |
| Kilos | still a while before then | 19:08 |
| nuvolari | it's past in the blink of an eye | 19:09 |
| Kilos | Vince-0 ? | 19:09 |
| Vince-0 | hey | 19:09 |
| Vince-0 | there arent | 19:09 |
| Vince-0 | where's that link for the unity article.. | 19:09 |
| nuvolari | which unity article? | 19:09 |
| nuvolari | productivity? | 19:09 |
| Vince-0 | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml | 19:09 |
| Kilos | oi on unity and im on kde now | 19:09 |
| Kilos | well done Vince-0 | 19:10 |
| amanica_ | yeah as one of the organizers from last years' SFD event at WITS I havn't heard of anything either, and the other organisers are also quiet. i.e. we need volunteers if we are gonna do something | 19:11 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed: we need to spark attention on SFD | 19:13 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Excuse me? | 19:13 |
| Kilos | lol | 19:13 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: pfft | 19:13 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Huh? | 19:13 |
| Kilos | no : | 19:13 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agree we need to spark attention on SFD | 19:13 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Huh? | 19:13 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed we need to spark attention on SFD | 19:13 |
| Maaz | Agreed: we need to spark attention on SFD | 19:13 |
| nuvolari | moving on? | 19:14 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Tech | 19:14 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Tech | 19:14 |
| nuvolari | I am totally out of touch with new tech... | 19:14 |
| * nuvolari is embarrassed | 19:14 | |
| Kilos | you can start catching up soon | 19:15 |
| nuvolari | Android Wear? | 19:16 |
| nuvolari | that might be appropriate :P | 19:16 |
| nuvolari | and Android TV and Drive? or is it Auto/Automotive | 19:16 |
| nuvolari | meh, throw in everything from Google I/O 2014 | 19:16 |
| nuvolari | :P | 19:16 |
| nuvolari | There, we're sorted. | 19:17 |
| superfly | I rooted and ROMed my new Kindle Fire HDX 7 | 19:19 |
| nuvolari | superfly: with android? | 19:21 |
| nuvolari | meh, I think we can slowly finish off this meeting | 19:22 |
| Kilos | yip | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | not too much going on | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Elect Chairperson for next meeting | 19:22 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Elect Chairperson for next meeting | 19:22 |
| Kilos | things have got very quiet | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | I'm available | 19:22 |
| nuvolari | well, hope I'll be available | 19:22 |
| Kilos | nuvolari +1 | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | I'll gladly do it again :) | 19:23 |
| Kilos | you and monkey were gonna do it anyway | 19:23 |
| Kilos | ty | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | ok cool | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: agreed nuvolari to chair next meeting on 26 August 2014 | 19:23 |
| Maaz | Agreed: nuvolari to chair next meeting on 26 August 2014 | 19:23 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: topic Next Meeting Date | 19:24 |
| Maaz | Current Topic: Next Meeting Date | 19:24 |
| nuvolari | The next meeting will be on the 26th of August | 19:24 |
| Kilos | add sfd to next minutes | 19:24 |
| nuvolari | I've set up an event page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826 | 19:24 |
| Kilos | superfly anything to add? | 19:25 |
| nuvolari | ok, done, it's there from the copied page :P | 19:25 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.next | 19:26 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/ | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | see, why don't we use those pages any longer oom Kilos ? | 19:26 |
| Kilos | i have no idea nuvolari | 19:26 |
| superfly | sorry, was AFK | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: forget about meeting.next | 19:26 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.next anyway | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: forget meeting.next | 19:26 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Okay | 19:26 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.next https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826 | 19:27 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: Sorry... | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: meeting.next is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826 | 19:27 |
| Maaz | nuvolari: If you say so | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | alrighty, | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | closing off | 19:27 |
| nuvolari | I think it was an OK meeting, taking into account the number of attendants | 19:28 |
| nuvolari | I will update the minutes likn for the next meeting shortly | 19:28 |
| nuvolari | *link | 19:28 |
| nuvolari | Maaz: end meeting | 19:28 |
| Maaz | Meeting Ended | 19:28 |
| Maaz | Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.html | 19:28 |
| Kilos | nuvolari ty for chairing on such short notice | 19:29 |
| nuvolari | You're welcome oom Kilos :) | 19:29 |
| amanica_ | thanks guys | 19:29 |
| nuvolari | it was refreshing having some free time again :P | 19:30 |
| nuvolari | thanks for coming amanica_ | 19:30 |
| amanica_ | thank Vince-0 :) | 19:30 |
| Vince-0 | kk | 19:30 |
| Kilos | thanks for attending guys | 19:30 |
| Kilos | apologies from neelsie, they were fighting fire in warmbaths area | 19:33 |
| Kilos | nuvolari ty it was great having you back | 19:35 |
| Symmetria | heh damn | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | while mirroring sourceforge | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | I managed to sustain complete saturation on a gigabit ethernet card | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | for 12 solid hours | 19:38 |
| Symmetria | and the disks actually kept up | 19:38 |
| ThatGraemeGuy | night all | 19:43 |
| Kilos | night ThatGraemeGuy | 19:43 |
| Kilos | did you expect them not to Symmetria ? | 19:58 |
| Vince-0 | ! | 20:53 |
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