[05:21] <nuvolari> o/ good morning :)
[05:21] <nuvolari> hi Tonberry 
[05:21] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee on
[05:21]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[05:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[05:22] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[05:25] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for nuvolari!
[05:26] <nuvolari> thank you Maaz 
[05:26] <nuvolari> er
[05:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: thanks
[05:26] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[05:47] <nuvolari> fine :-/
[05:47] <nuvolari> moet nie groet nie
[05:47] <nuvolari> :P
[06:19] <Squirm> morning
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peoples
[07:00] <inetpro> good mornings
[07:09] <charl> morning inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm, nuvolari
[07:09] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:09]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:13] <nuvolari> oh hi inetpro, charl, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm
[07:13] <charl> Maaz: hurry up with that coffee, i need to wake up
[07:13] <Maaz> charl: Excuse me?
[07:13] <charl> nope no excuses hurry up
[07:13] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:13] <charl> finally
[07:13] <charl> Maaz: thanks !
[07:13] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[07:19] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[07:19] <Kilos> hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy nuvolari and others
[07:19] <Kilos> hi charl lee
[07:19] <Kilos> dag Spekko 
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo, 'lo & 'lo
[07:26] <Kilos> haha
[07:34] <Kilos> inetpro, ping
[07:46] <charl> i'm in a good mood this morning
[07:46] <charl> maybe it's because i slept so well
[07:46] <charl> i could hardly get up this morning
[07:50] <Kilos> lol
[07:50] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:54] <Vince-0> o/ Oom Kilos 
[08:00] <Kilos> when you gonna add something interesting to the agenda Vince-0 
[08:03] <Vince-0> ha! I've been so busy here trying to start a company
[08:03] <Kilos> aha
[08:03] <Kilos> yours?
[08:04] <Vince-0> hopefully
[08:04] <Kilos> good
[08:05] <Vince-0> ;-) I think kbmonkey won't make it to chair this eve
[08:06] <Vince-0> I haven't been keeping up with the Canonical news, 
[08:06] <Kilos> ya he told me, is he ok
[08:06] <Kilos> he didnt answer when i asked is he ok
[08:06] <Vince-0> probably busy with work too
[08:08] <Vince-0> I'm sure I can dig up some news feed items about Ubuntu
[08:08] <Vince-0> I remember there being a desktop environment productivity study somewhere
[08:09] <Kilos> also we need to find out what we can do to improve our connectivity in za
[08:09] <Kilos> like to to email and rev
[08:10] <Kilos> Maaz, google south african minister of communication
[08:10] <Maaz> Kilos: "Department Of Communications" http://www.doc.gov.za/ :: "Minister of Communications (South Africa) - Wikipedia, the free ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Communications_(South_Africa) :: "Department of Telecommunications and Postal Services - Wikipedia ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Telecommunications_and_Postal_Services ::
[08:10] <Maaz> "Blog: South Africa's new communications ministry causes concern" http://cpj.org/blog/2014/0…
[08:10] <Vince-0> ha
[08:10] <Kilos> i dunno what one would call that minister
[08:11] <Vince-0> cape town's pushing big fibre projects
[08:11] <Kilos> ive found that if one complains to the top they get great pleasure in revving everyone beneath them
[08:12] <Kilos> yes fibre is the answer, but they need to wake up peeps like voda with their adds of how wonderful they are
[08:13] <Kilos> take bushtech for example, he gets utms from them but yoyos all the time, they have no excuse for that
[08:14] <Vince-0> Here's the untiy productivity article
[08:14] <Vince-0> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml
[08:14] <Kilos> connectivity wise i cant complain, because im online nearly all the time
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> you want the ZA ubuntu loco to shout at govt to improve connectivity?
[08:20] <Kilos> not as a loco but as individuals
[08:21] <Kilos> the peeps at the top just sit and enjoy their incomes and perks, so, if no one informs them of what probs there are they just park off
[08:22] <inetpro> Kilos: pong
[08:23] <inetpro> oh and hi
[08:23] <Kilos> like pta govt section, i used to have power cuts almost daily everytime the wind blew or it rained and complaining didnt help
[08:24] <Kilos> i then got hold of the mayor and within 2 weeks all trees near lines were trimmed or removed and since then power has been quite stable
[08:24] <Kilos> ohi inetpro are you ok?
[08:24] <Kilos> meeting tonight
[08:24] <nuvolari> what meeting?
[08:24] <nuvolari> o.O
[08:24] <Kilos> ai!
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: govt is forever making noise about improving connectivity
[08:25] <ThatGraemeGuy> as with many things, awareness isn't the issue, lack of action is
[08:25] <Kilos> yes ThatGraemeGuy that is 
[08:25] <Kilos> um
[08:25] <Kilos> er
[08:25] <Kilos> just political talk to get votes
[08:26] <Kilos> when contacted at the top they actually do things
[08:27] <Kilos> all the speaches you here are written and read and not absorbed, one needs to actually make them act on complaints or issues
[08:28] <Kilos> read speeches go above or through minds
[08:29] <nuvolari> but guys/ladies, remember, the previous regime kept the interwebs away from us before 1994! :P
[08:29] <Kilos> 20 years ago
[08:29] <nuvolari> ok, sorry, we're not supposed to discuss politics IIRC
[08:29] <nuvolari> :P
[08:30] <Kilos> we as net users must do something to improve the net for us and future users
[08:30] <Kilos> as they say if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the prize
[08:31] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, it only went mainstream globally in 1994
[08:31] <nuvolari> IIRC :P
[08:31] <Kilos> just lurking and complaining will never have any results
[08:32] <Kilos> nuvolari, im mainly thinking of poor stability atm
[08:32] <Kilos> youve all had it when trying to attend a meet or something
[08:33] <Kilos> if someone can point me to the correct peeps to contact ill do the mailing
[09:16] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, i got my mv setup working , is it weaker than the lv setup? or did i do something wrong
[09:16] <Kilos> oh and what are solar panels for
[09:17] <Kilos> i have made some but they dont connect like the things with a cross inside
[09:21] <Kilos> haha were there no comments or opinions to that link that unity is king
[09:21] <Kilos> hehe
[09:21] <Kilos> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml
[09:21] <Kilos> i think im the only one here using it still
[09:23] <charl> i don't think it's that bad actually
[09:24] <charl> ubuntu one is closing down /
[09:24] <charl> ?
[09:25] <nuvolari> charl: eh? you didn't get the annoying notifications? :P
[09:25] <Kilos> i read why somewhere, but as in my case maybe it wasnt utilised as it could be
[09:25] <charl> nuvolari: no somebody else i know just forwarded me a mail
[09:25] <charl> i never use ubuntu one
[09:26] <charl> cloud storage in general
[09:26] <charl> at work we have a owncloud based thing now
[09:26] <Kilos> it worked quite fine to share things
[09:26] <charl> but i'll keep it to that
[09:26] <charl> i'm interested to know why they decided to cancel their service now
[09:26] <charl> considering that those types of tools are all the rage at the moment
[09:27] <charl> maybe not profitable enough ?
[09:27] <Kilos> it was in the earlier emails i think charl  that they gave the reason why
[09:27] <charl> ah ok never got them
[09:28] <Kilos> http://askubuntu.com/questions/444930/why-is-ubuntu-one-going-to-be-shut-down
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: solar panel produces power
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> the "thing with the cross" is a solar array, it also makes power, but more than a panel
[09:31] <Kilos> you connect them with same cables ThatGraemeGuy ?
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> MV stuff uses MV cables
[09:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> LV stuff LV cables
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> guess what you use for HV stuff? :P
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> LV/MV/HV is low/medium/high voltage
[09:32] <Kilos> oh i didnt notice if they were mv or lv
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> lv is white cables
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> mv cables are black
[09:32] <Kilos> ya i got that far
[09:32] <charl> http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/
[09:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> hv cables are black and yellow stripes
[09:34] <Kilos> do your mv arrays also supply less power than the lv ones with same number of them cross things
[09:34] <Kilos> hehe
[09:35] <Kilos> i get 2500 from 5 lv ones and 1500 from same number mv ones
[09:36] <Kilos> but they are on the opposit side of the roof
[09:36] <Kilos> opposite
[09:37] <Kilos> that thing
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> same height
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> ?
[09:37] <Kilos> yip
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[09:37] <Kilos> ill check again tonight
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> are they MV panels or MV arrays?
[09:37] <Kilos> arrays for both
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> you have LV arrays if i recall correctly
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[09:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> mine are HV, so i can't compare
[09:38] <Kilos> was major work making mv arrays
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea its a lot of effort
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> the idea is to make you work for the more useful stuff
[09:38] <Kilos> lol
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait until you build a mining laser ;)
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> a mk3 one is a huge amount of resources
[09:39] <Kilos> i found a rank3 chest in new server too
[09:39] <Kilos> got to bronze tools haha
[09:39] <Kilos> and i found lava
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> you digging down?
[09:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't get too comfortable there ;)
[09:40] <Kilos> wen into a cave then kept going down 
[09:40] <Kilos> went
[09:40] <Kilos> just put lights and kept going
[09:41] <Kilos> nope was just looking what ores there are, no mese yet
[09:41] <Kilos> but lots of new stuffs
[09:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> mese only starts arouns -128 isn't it?
[09:43] <Kilos> i dunno
[09:44] <Kilos> but it works kiff just empty of bulidings
[09:44] <Kilos> buildings and roads
[09:44] <Kilos> hehe
[09:45] <Kilos> the main one is very lekker with everything in
[09:46] <Kilos> when we all got lazer guns you can turn on the monsters
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> lasers are for mining
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> killing monsters is work for swords
[09:46] <Kilos> dont they kill peeps too?
[09:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> lasers? don't know
[09:46] <Kilos> im sure they will
[09:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a mining laser, don't know if the mod was written to damage players
[09:47] <Kilos> and everything behind the monster too haha
[09:47] <Kilos> picks kill peeps
[09:48] <Kilos> that lazer is an impressive tool
[09:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> picks damage players because that's how the code was written
[09:52] <Kilos> aha
[09:53] <Kilos> the only code i know is ...---...
[09:54] <Kilos> .... --- .--   -.. ---   -.-- --- ..-   -.. --- ..--..
[09:54] <Kilos> hehe maaz makes it so easy
[10:38] <Squirm> got my new PC last night
[10:47] <Kilos> cool
[10:47] <Kilos> you happy?
[11:01] <Kilos> ai! some peeps
[11:02] <Kilos> come help yourself to pecan nuts but dont use the gate, rather cut the fence
[11:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: where did you dig on the new map?
[11:29] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, i didnt dig i went into a cave
[11:30] <Kilos> are you there now?
[11:30] <Kilos> ill pop in so you can find me
[11:31] <Kilos> sorry i took so long, was having lunch
[11:54] <charl> good afternoon folks
[11:54] <charl> busy busy today whow
[11:55] <charl> does Maaz do esperesso ? i need a double one i think
[11:55] <charl> doppio
[11:55] <Kilos> lol
[11:56] <Kilos> he makes boeretroos
[11:56] <charl> as long as it's freshly ground biological coffee
[11:57] <Kilos> always fresh , written in python
[11:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm going to delete that map
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> stopped the server so long
[12:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> the orange in the forest is fire, by the way
[12:13] <Kilos> ok
[12:14] <Kilos> wow ThatGraemeGuy big one hey
[12:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[12:14] <Kilos> did you see if that thing was a dungeon
[12:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> when i was underground i picked up some lava into a lava can
[12:14] <Kilos> haha naughty
[12:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then i was cutting trees and i guess i accidentally mousewheeled or something, because instead of cutting a tree i put down a lava block :(
[12:15] <Kilos> uh oh
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm looking into how rollback works
[12:15] <Kilos> you rush too much
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is apparently a rollback function so you can undo something
[12:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure though
[12:15] <Kilos> its not serious
[12:15] <Kilos> we havent done anything there really
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> you remember waaay back when you were playing with lava and pouring it from high into a lake?
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> this is why i warned you to be careful ;-)
[12:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> although in this case i was in a jungle, which is pretty much the worst place to drop lava
[12:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> jungle grass and trees grow very close together :-/
[12:19] <Kilos> lol we made that lake mooi man
[12:20] <Kilos> ive built some walls around so it can be filled again even higher
[12:21] <Kilos> then we can make layered places
[12:21] <Kilos> did you see the glass house the fly built under that lake
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[12:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> remind me tonight, will check it out
[12:22] <Kilos> i drowned a coupla times just trying to get to the entrance
[12:22] <Kilos> ok
[12:22] <Kilos> we can call it atlantis
[12:24] <Kilos> and start a colony of mermaid peeps that work outside
[12:24] <Kilos> hehe
[12:24] <Kilos> we havent had one female visitor yet
[12:24] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:27]  * Kilos goes to kde. wbb
[12:30] <Kilos> hmm...
[12:30] <Kilos> my unity is corrupt somewhere
[12:31] <Kilos> Maaz  hi
[12:31] <Maaz> Howzit Kilos
[12:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png
[12:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> water didn't help
[12:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you stand still it seems that fire only spreads a certain distance
[12:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> except some fire still exists at the edge of that distance
[12:32] <Kilos> ah
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and as soon as you move closer more stuff starts burning
[12:33] <Kilos> like everything else it needs new source to carry on
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> you see that square, i was standing at the centre of it, so it only burned until that distance
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> didn't spread, but i could still see fire at the edges of the square
[12:33] <Kilos> weird
[12:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and as soon as i moved closer it started spreading again
[12:34] <Kilos> dont peeps get burned
[12:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[12:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you stand right in it
[12:34] <Kilos> eish more system updates available
[12:37] <Kilos> i know lava really cooks you, i have the pile of bones to prove it
[13:33] <magespawn> good afternoon all
[13:38] <charl> hi magespawn :)
[13:38] <magespawn> hey charl
[13:54] <nuvolari> ai keeel you! slf4j is a pile of nonsense
[13:54] <nuvolari> anyone around that knows how to tame it?
[13:57] <charl> nuvolari: have you tried log4j
[13:57] <charl> logging in java is a mess in any case
[14:03] <magespawn> anyone know for sure what frequencies are unlicensed in south africa? 
[14:04] <nuvolari> charl: it's a 3rd party lib using it
[14:05] <nuvolari> charl: I might be missing the point of all the logging frameworks, but we've been quite happy with JUL
[14:05] <nuvolari> but yeah, agreed, logging is a PITA
[14:08] <charl> a pita? looking it up
[14:09] <charl> oh, now i see :) thought it sounded a bit like spanish puta
[14:12] <nuvolari> lol
[14:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> magespawn: you mean spectrum available for licensing or bands that may be used without licence?
[14:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> either way, icasa likely has the information
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> whether its easily understood is a different question
[14:17] <magespawn> ThatGraemeGuy, that is the problem, i am looking at the bands that can be used without a licence
[14:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> what are you doing?
[14:18] <magespawn> i understood that 2.4Ghz and 5.2Ghz where un-licensed
[14:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> offhand i know of 2.4GHz and 5GHz
[14:18] <magespawn> looking into wug and other wan network ideas
[14:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah that's where 802.11 stuff goes
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah thats what they use
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-24ghz-c-38?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2 and http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-5ghz-c-37?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> with WUG its best to get in touch with your local guys, they are typically quite helpful
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> well the CTWUG guys are at least
[14:20] <magespawn> also i think that if it goes out your property you still have to apply to icasa for licence exemption
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> which equipment you need is dependant on what's already in place near you
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> not sure
[14:21] <magespawn> that is what i understand from icasa
[14:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> but contact your WUG people, they will likely know all the answers already. no need to get lost alone, rely on the community
[14:22] <magespawn> i think the durban one will be the closest
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> where are you?
[14:22] <magespawn> Empangeni currently but mostly Hluhluwe
[14:24] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[14:25] <magespawn> i did not know about that supplier, thanks for those links
[14:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> np
[14:26] <magespawn> also from icasa if you provide any service to a third party regardless of the frequency you use you have to be licensed
[14:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> the WUG people typically have an IRC hangout that's usually a good place to lurk for a bit
[14:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> you are supplying yourself with service :P
[14:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> if there was an ICASA hassle they would've shut down the WUGs already
[14:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> seriously, talk to your WUG people, they have all these answers already, no sense trying to speculate or make sense of ICASA nonsense
[14:35] <Kilos> hi magespawn  Gremble  lemme catch up
[14:37] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:38] <magespawn> i think WUG fall under the exemption part of the rules
[14:40] <magespawn> i agree with that ThatGraemeGuy 
[14:46] <charl> these issues are often a legal grey area, just like many others
[14:47] <charl> if you join a wug, you have strength in numbers
[14:47] <charl> besides, you can simply state it's community building
[14:47] <charl> rather join a larger existing group of people than trying to go at it yourself
[14:48] <Kilos> he is miles away from  any wugs charl  
[14:49] <Kilos> magespawn  is this for home town or pangeni
[14:49] <magespawn> home town Kilos
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: wug links can be up to 50km depending on equipment and environment
[14:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> they're a bit more powerful than your WiFi AP at home ;-)
[14:50] <Kilos> he is more than 50k from pangeni i think
[14:50] <magespawn> i am not sure but i think the nearest 250km +
[14:50] <Kilos> ya
[14:50] <magespawn> in durban
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah, that might be a significant hurdle
[14:50] <charl> nope no luck there
[14:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> you will have to build repeaters ;-)
[14:50] <charl> you're going to need multiple relays indeed
[14:50] <magespawn> i have not found anything here in empangeni
[14:50] <Kilos> magespawn  hometown including parks?
[14:51] <magespawn> just the town and any out lying farmers that want to join
[14:51] <charl> magespawn: speak to the DWC guys, they were making a killing
[14:51] <Kilos> haha you gonna make them pay with pineapples
[14:52] <magespawn> might be an idea
[14:52] <charl> magespawn: they might already have some long-range relay points
[14:52] <magespawn> DWC ?
[14:52] <charl> the DWC used to be big, i don't know how they are right now
[14:52] <charl> my knowlege about za is outdated :)
[14:52] <charl> http://www.dwc.za.net/
[14:53] <Kilos> magespawn  is quite clued up with wifi  equipment already he has done that one resort in a park iirc
[14:53] <Kilos> its just the legal stuff hey magespawn  ?
[14:54] <Kilos> been in your mind more than a year now
[14:54] <magespawn> yup i have sort out the licence exemption services and networks application
[14:55] <charl> bbl all
[14:55] <magespawn> had a visit from the icasa compliance and enforcement officer today
[14:55] <charl> meeting tonight ?
[14:55] <Kilos> aha
[14:55] <Kilos> yes charl  
[14:55] <charl> ok bbl then :)
[14:56] <Kilos> Maaz  announce monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps
[14:56] <Maaz> Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps
[14:56] <Kilos> inetpro  ^^ 1
[14:57] <Kilos> nuvolari  ^^2
[14:57] <Kilos> superfly  ^^3
[14:58] <Kilos> plustwo  hi there are you attending?
[15:09] <Kilos> hmm...
[15:10] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy  have you noticed, one can install ubuntu as an OEM as well
[15:11] <Kilos> i saw it on a dvd for the first time 
[15:27] <Kilos> wb Vince-0  you at home now?
[15:27] <Vince-0> oh hey
[15:27] <Vince-0> I am indeed
[15:28] <Vince-0> hopefully one day I won't have to leave home to go to work
[15:28] <Kilos> thats the ideal
[15:29] <Kilos> but you find when you work for yourself you put much more effort and time in
[15:30] <Vince-0> at least then its not working for the man!
[15:31] <Kilos> lol
[15:31] <Kilos> you find you are a harder taskmaster on yourself than anyone else was
[15:32] <Vince-0> I do envy the farm dwellers somewhat. Been watching Doomsday Preppers lol
[15:33] <Kilos> living on a farm is lekker but farming is hard work 24/7
[15:33] <Kilos> when not working you worry about what you should have already done
[15:35] <Vince-0> I like the idea of being self sufficient, subsintence etc
[15:37] <Kilos> yes it is a satisfying achievement, you can look in the mirror and say hi boss
[15:37] <Kilos> hi Tonberry  meeting tonight hey
[15:37] <Kilos> note tuesday
[15:37] <Vince-0> I guess you need some service provider for internet at least
[15:37] <Tonberry> hi.
[15:37] <Tonberry> I'll see if I can make it.
[15:38] <Kilos> no beer night on tuesday its on monday
[15:38] <Kilos> hehe
[15:39] <Vince-0> so do we have a chair person?
[15:39] <Kilos> nuvolari  said he would chair for us
[15:39] <Vince-0> 'cos I'm not sure on the bot commands etc - perhaps an instructional how to is in order
[15:40] <Kilos> i have them saved somewhere. hopefully not on the crashed 500g drive
[15:41] <Kilos> first is to get permission from the pro
[15:41] <Kilos> hi bushtech  meeting tonight at 20.30 hey
[15:42] <bushtech> Thans Kilos will try & stay up & Vodacom willing
[15:42] <Kilos> lol
[15:49] <bushtech> been up since 4 so it's a race between bed & vodacom
[15:50] <Kilos> why so early
[15:52] <bushtech> car service, closest subie stealership in midrand
[15:55] <bushtech> didn't know I drive a Lambo, wanted to charge me R7,600 for a rear silencer box. Told him where he can put it
[15:56] <Kilos> wow
[15:56] <bushtech> new box from performance exhaust place R800
[15:57] <Kilos> what a diffs hey
[15:58] <bushtech> a factor of 10
[15:59] <Kilos> yip
[15:59] <Kilos> what car is it
[15:59] <magespawn> dealerships are always more expensive, the price for keeping the warrenty intact
[15:59] <bushtech> and what makes me really cross is the women who bring their cars in, don't know any better and just have to hoes
[16:00] <Kilos> yeah
[16:00] <bushtech> Forester
[16:00] <magespawn> some men too
[16:00] <bushtech> for sure
[16:02] <bushtech> but their prices ensures that their head mechanic has got a very lucrative business at home lol
[16:02] <Gremble> o/
[16:05] <Kilos> lol
[16:08] <Gremble> I once took my Bantam to a mechanic to replace the rear brakes and fix the handbrake. After I got it back both my back bearings destroyed my drums and the handbrake did not work.
[16:08] <Gremble> I don't have a car at the moment
[16:08] <Kilos> eish
[16:10] <Gremble> Not a fan. Haha. The reason I took it to him was because I struggled to replace the rear brakes myself. 
[16:10] <Gremble> Drums are a pain in the arse
[16:10] <Kilos> ai!
[16:11] <bushtech> Yeah! need to note where everything goes & which way & which side
[16:11] <Kilos> when you have a car its good to try get a correct workshop manual. everything is explained nicely in them
[16:12] <magespawn> Haynes Workshop manuals
[16:12] <Gremble> ^ Those manuals are so expensive though 
[16:12] <Gremble> I tried to find one on the internet
[16:13] <magespawn> http://www.autobooks.co.za/
[16:13] <bushtech> make very very good friends with the parts manager & try to get a st of workshop manuals out of him
[16:13] <bushtech> s/st set
[16:13] <Gremble> ;p
[16:14] <Kilos> yes they are magespawn  but work out what you save paying someone else
[16:14] <magespawn> yes they are fairly pricey, but if you think about the money saved on services
[16:14] <Kilos> worth every cent
[16:14] <Kilos> also you can look at libraries too and photostat needed pages
[16:15] <Kilos> and at them flee markets on sundays, ive seen many being sold for like 50 bucks
[16:16] <bushtech> you can also find workshop manuals free online but it's a long hunt
[16:17] <Kilos> yip
[16:19] <Kilos> even qualified mechanics use manuals at times
[16:20] <Vince-0> I use google howto's every day
[16:36] <Kilos> lol the pro loves saying google is your friend
[16:54] <magespawn> see you guys at the meeting later
[16:54] <Kilos> ok magespawn  
[17:02] <Kilos> i go est
[17:02] <Kilos> eat too
[17:22] <Kilos> inetpro  no g+ reminder for the meet yet!
[17:23] <Kilos> ai! ek sukkel darem met my volk
[17:34] <Kilos> nuvolari  ping
[17:35] <Kilos> Vince-0  can you do us a favour and just announce on g+ about the meeting please, it should get to inetpro  and his circles hey?
[17:42] <charl> good evening
[17:51] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[17:51] <magespawn> wb charl 
[17:51] <Kilos> wb magespawn  
[17:51] <Kilos> hi charl  
[17:52] <magespawn> what time for the meeting? 20:30?
[17:52] <Kilos> did the rain cool things down well
[17:52] <Kilos> yip magespawn  
[17:55] <magespawn> ty Kilos 
[17:56] <Kilos> yw
[17:56] <Vince-0> Kilos: ok
[17:56] <Kilos> Vince-0  ty
[17:58] <Vince-0> I just reshared the community page with time
[17:59] <Kilos> cool ty
[17:59] <Kilos> im sure he said it would notify automatically
[17:59] <Kilos> but doesnt look like it anymore
[18:01] <Kilos> luckily we dont have anything serious to discuss i think
[18:03] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy  
[18:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo
[18:07] <Kilos> do you know ofhand where i turn off popup notifications
[18:08] <Kilos> when i move my mouse they popup from all over the place
[18:09] <Kilos> the one here in konversation when i hover over nicks is fine
[18:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> example?
[18:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> screenshot maybe?
[18:13] <Kilos> lol i hit f12 but dunno if it took one and if it did where is it
[18:13] <Kilos> hahaha
[18:17] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you talking about minetest?
[18:17] <Kilos> no man kubuntu
[18:18] <Kilos> and the normal popups when you move yourt mouse over things
[18:19] <magespawn> brb
[18:19] <Kilos> i cant remember them being so annoying on 12.04
[18:19] <Kilos> maybe i got old
[18:20] <Kilos> are you in the game ThatGraemeGuy  ?
[18:23] <Kilos> ai! these multitaskers
[18:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> not yet just testhing something
[18:23] <Kilos> ah
[18:24] <Kilos> you should start napping from tomorrow night from 8  or 9 till 11 then we can play
[18:24] <Kilos> i only manage about an hour anyway
[18:28] <Kilos> the chair will be here soon
[18:28] <Kilos> bushtech  wb are you sure you havent got some timeout stting going
[18:28] <Kilos> setting
[18:29] <bushtech> no,why
[18:29] <Kilos> the idle thing
[18:29] <Kilos> you stay online for long periods
[18:30] <bushtech> just rebooted laptop
[18:30] <Kilos> ah
[18:31]  * nuvolari sings *please forgive me, for running late...*
[18:31] <nuvolari> oh hi :)
[18:31] <nuvolari> wb bushtech_ 
[18:32]  * nuvolari opens up agenda
[18:32] <Kilos> lol
[18:32] <bushtech_> but that was not a reboot, just disconnected by itself
[18:32] <Kilos> we min tonight
[18:32] <nuvolari> did the wiki layout change?
[18:33] <Kilos> oh my
[18:33] <Kilos> thats pro and monkey that play there
[18:33] <Kilos> and both not here
[18:33] <nuvolari> the ubuntu wiki oom
[18:33] <Kilos> sigh
[18:33] <Kilos> oh
[18:33] <nuvolari> meh, authentication hangs...
[18:34] <nuvolari> ok, right
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: start meeting about Monthly Ubuntu-ZA IRC meeting, July 2014
[18:35]  * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles
[18:35] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Welcome
[18:35] <Maaz> Current Topic: Welcome
[18:35] <nuvolari> Welcome everyone
[18:35] <nuvolari> well, everyone that could make it
[18:35] <Kilos> ty nuvolari  
[18:36] <superfly> Ohi
[18:36] <nuvolari> we're not running on all the cylinders tonight
[18:36] <Kilos> hi superfly  wb
[18:36] <nuvolari> hi superfly 
[18:36] <nuvolari> Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt
[18:36] <Maaz> nuvolari: Done
[18:36] <charl> Maaz: i am Charl van Niekerk
[18:36] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[18:36] <Kilos> Maaz  I am Miles Sharpe
[18:36] <Maaz> Kilos: Okay
[18:36] <superfly> Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman
[18:36] <Maaz> superfly: Okay
[18:36] <Kilos> hi fulcrum  welcome to ubuntu-za
[18:36] <nuvolari> Please identify yourself or risk not showing up in the meeting minutes 
[18:36] <fulcrum> Lo
[18:36] <nuvolari> hi fulcrum, welcome
[18:37] <nuvolari> are you joining us for the meeting fulcrum ?
[18:37] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[18:37] <Maaz> Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp
[18:37] <fulcrum> Saw it on g+ and thought I would take a gander 
[18:37] <nuvolari> so, I've been very quiet, and hopefully that will change
[18:37] <nuvolari> hi amanica_, welcome
[18:37] <bushtech_> Maaz: I am dries Laubscher
[18:37] <Maaz> bushtech_: Okay
[18:37] <Kilos> hi amanica_  
[18:37] <nuvolari> awesome, we hope you enjoy it fulcrum :)
[18:38] <amanica_> hi all :)
[18:38] <Kilos> fulcrum  you are welcome to join in
[18:38] <amanica_> Maaz: I am Marius Kruger
[18:38] <Maaz> amanica_: Done
[18:38] <fulcrum> Also a good reason to muck about with an irc client on Android :-) 
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <nuvolari> We are past halfway for this year... it's been a busy year and I can't believe it's July already
[18:39] <nuvolari> Vince-0: ping, you here?
[18:39] <Kilos> everyone is just too busy these days
[18:39] <Vince-0> Maaz: I am Vincent Swart
[18:39] <Maaz> Vince-0: Done
[18:39] <Vince-0> yar
[18:39] <nuvolari> \o/
[18:39] <nuvolari> welcome
[18:39] <nuvolari> oh, welcome to all the new people
[18:40] <nuvolari> there are a couple of nicks I don't recognise
[18:40] <superfly> Quassel FTW
[18:40] <Kilos> lol where are you superfly  ?
[18:40] <nuvolari> ok, moving on...
[18:41] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Review Previous Minutes
[18:41] <Maaz> Current Topic: Review Previous Minutes
[18:41] <superfly> Vince-0: thanks for the reminder on G+
[18:41] <amanica_> +1
[18:41] <nuvolari> previous minutes: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-06-24-18-31-28.txt
[18:41] <superfly> Kilos: currently downstairs, using my Kindle Fire HDX
[18:41] <Kilos> cool
[18:42]  * nuvolari catches up on what happened last time
[18:42] <Kilos> inetpro  ping
[18:43]  * superfly will try to keep an eye on things while he washes dishes
[18:43] <Kilos> ty superfly  
[18:43] <superfly> Just mention my name if you need me.
[18:44] <Kilos> ok
[18:44]  * nuvolari sees mention of SFD on a Caturday
[18:45] <nuvolari> and I'll be a Capetonian by then :D
[18:45] <Kilos> hehe
[18:45] <superfly> nuvolari: where in the promised land will you be?
[18:46] <nuvolari> superfly: claremont, well, working in claremont, I'm still nest-hunting
[18:46] <superfly> Look in plumstead/diep river
[18:47] <nuvolari> superfly: cool, thanks! I'll have a look
[18:47]  * nuvolari oggles https://u.fsf.org/yu
[18:49] <nuvolari> ok, does anyone want to talk about something from the previous meeting's minutes?
[18:49] <nuvolari> no?
[18:49]  * nuvolari slips away for a quick bite
[18:51] <nuvolari> ok, moving on
[18:51] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Releases
[18:51] <Maaz> Current Topic: Releases
[18:51] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[18:51]  * nuvolari remains on 12.04.4 LTS
[18:52] <nuvolari> I have support until April '17
[18:52] <nuvolari> feels like until forever in terms of software
[18:53] <Vince-0> ha
[18:53] <Kilos> 14.04 is good nuvolari  
[18:53] <nuvolari> so in 3 months we have Utopic Unicorn
[18:54] <nuvolari> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn
[18:54]  * Kilos will stick with lts
[18:54] <nuvolari> +1
[18:54]  * bushtech_ also on 1204
[18:55] <nuvolari> What's a Tahr?
[18:55] <Kilos> some animal
[18:55] <amanica_> I'm quite happy 14.04, not much changed from 13.10 :)
[18:55] <nuvolari> I'd say it's where the tyre meets the road... but I might be wrong :P
[18:55] <amanica_> some goat
[18:56] <Kilos> lol
[18:56] <nuvolari> http://www.howopensource.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Ubuntu-14.04-Trusty-Tahr.jpg
[18:56] <Kilos> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahr
[18:57] <Gremble> That goat has a magnificent beard
[18:57] <Kilos> so what happens after 6 more releases
[18:58] <Kilos> we start at A again or what
[18:58] <amanica_> back to a
[18:58] <amanica_> yep
[18:58] <Kilos> awesome ape
[18:58] <nuvolari> wait, what am I missing? when did we move back to the wiki for events?
[18:59] <nuvolari> I thought it used to be based on launchpad or something
[19:01] <Kilos> dont worry just use it
[19:01]  * nuvolari mainly forgot wiki syntax
[19:01] <nuvolari> What would the topics be for next month? :P
[19:02] <Kilos> just same basic topics
[19:02]  * nuvolari spends some time planning ahead and updating the event
[19:02] <superfly> MoinMoin syntax is horrible... Then again, so is mediawiki
[19:02] <nuvolari> markdown ftw
[19:02] <superfly> rST or Markdown would be so much better
[19:02] <nuvolari> rst? 
[19:02]  * nuvolari googles
[19:03] <superfly> I prefer reStructuredText, but I'm getting used to markdown
[19:04] <superfly> Its kinda Python's default syntax
[19:04] <nuvolari> ooh nice, it's quite extensive
[19:05] <superfly> Yeah, it's meant for writing technical documentation... The Python docs are written using it
[19:07] <nuvolari> moving on,
[19:07] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Events
[19:07] <Maaz> Current Topic: Events
[19:07] <nuvolari> http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/
[19:07] <nuvolari> SFD on the 20th of September
[19:08] <nuvolari> Are there any plans in the works yet?
[19:08] <Kilos> i dont think so
[19:08] <Kilos> still a while before then
[19:09] <nuvolari> it's past in the blink of an eye
[19:09] <Kilos> Vince-0  ?
[19:09] <Vince-0> hey
[19:09] <Vince-0> there arent
[19:09] <Vince-0> where's that link for the unity article..
[19:09] <nuvolari> which unity article?
[19:09] <nuvolari> productivity?
[19:09] <Vince-0> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml
[19:09] <Kilos> oi on unity and im on kde now
[19:10] <Kilos> well done Vince-0  
[19:11] <amanica_> yeah as one of the organizers from last years' SFD event at WITS I havn't heard of anything either, and the other organisers are also quiet. i.e. we need volunteers if we are gonna do something
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed: we need to spark attention on SFD
[19:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: Excuse me?
[19:13] <Kilos> lol
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: pfft
[19:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[19:13] <Kilos> no :
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: agree we need to spark attention on SFD
[19:13] <Maaz> nuvolari: Huh?
[19:13] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed we need to spark attention on SFD
[19:13] <Maaz> Agreed: we need to spark attention on SFD
[19:14] <nuvolari> moving on?
[19:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Tech
[19:14] <Maaz> Current Topic: Tech
[19:14] <nuvolari> I am totally out of touch with new tech...
[19:14]  * nuvolari is embarrassed
[19:15] <Kilos> you can start catching up soon
[19:16] <nuvolari> Android Wear?
[19:16] <nuvolari> that might be appropriate :P
[19:16] <nuvolari> and Android TV and Drive? or is it Auto/Automotive
[19:16] <nuvolari> meh, throw in everything from Google I/O 2014
[19:16] <nuvolari> :P
[19:17] <nuvolari> There, we're sorted.
[19:19] <superfly> I rooted and ROMed my new Kindle Fire HDX 7
[19:21] <nuvolari> superfly: with android?
[19:22] <nuvolari> meh, I think we can slowly finish off this meeting
[19:22] <Kilos> yip
[19:22] <nuvolari> not too much going on
[19:22] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Elect Chairperson for next meeting
[19:22] <Maaz> Current Topic: Elect Chairperson for next meeting
[19:22] <Kilos> things have got very quiet
[19:22] <nuvolari> I'm available
[19:22] <nuvolari> well, hope I'll be available 
[19:23] <Kilos> nuvolari  +1
[19:23] <nuvolari> I'll gladly do it again :)
[19:23] <Kilos> you and monkey were gonna do it anyway
[19:23] <Kilos> ty
[19:23] <nuvolari> ok cool
[19:23] <nuvolari> Maaz: agreed nuvolari to chair next meeting on 26 August 2014
[19:23] <Maaz> Agreed: nuvolari to chair next meeting on 26 August 2014
[19:24] <nuvolari> Maaz: topic Next Meeting Date
[19:24] <Maaz> Current Topic: Next Meeting Date
[19:24] <nuvolari> The next meeting will be on the 26th of August
[19:24] <Kilos> add sfd to next minutes
[19:24] <nuvolari> I've set up an event page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826
[19:25] <Kilos> superfly  anything to add?
[19:25] <nuvolari> ok, done, it's there from the copied page :P
[19:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next
[19:26] <Maaz> nuvolari: meeting.next is http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/ubuntu-za/743/detail/
[19:26] <nuvolari> see, why don't we use those pages any longer oom Kilos ?
[19:26] <Kilos> i have no idea nuvolari  
[19:26] <superfly> sorry, was AFK
[19:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget about meeting.next
[19:26] <Maaz> nuvolari: I didn't know about about meeting.next anyway
[19:26] <nuvolari> Maaz: forget meeting.next
[19:26] <Maaz> nuvolari: Okay
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826
[19:27] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sorry...
[19:27] <nuvolari> Maaz: meeting.next is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20140826
[19:27] <Maaz> nuvolari: If you say so
[19:27] <nuvolari> alrighty,
[19:27] <nuvolari> closing off
[19:28] <nuvolari> I think it was an OK meeting, taking into account the number of attendants 
[19:28] <nuvolari> I will update the minutes likn for the next meeting shortly
[19:28] <nuvolari> *link
[19:28] <nuvolari> Maaz: end meeting
[19:28] <Maaz> Meeting Ended
[19:28] <Maaz> Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2014-07-22-18-35-15.html
[19:29] <Kilos> nuvolari  ty for chairing on such short notice
[19:29] <nuvolari> You're welcome oom Kilos :)
[19:29] <amanica_> thanks guys
[19:30] <nuvolari> it was refreshing having some free time again :P
[19:30] <nuvolari> thanks for coming amanica_ 
[19:30] <amanica_> thank Vince-0 :)
[19:30] <Vince-0> kk
[19:30] <Kilos> thanks for attending guys
[19:33] <Kilos> apologies from neelsie, they were fighting fire in warmbaths area
[19:35] <Kilos> nuvolari  ty it was great having you back
[19:38] <Symmetria> heh damn
[19:38] <Symmetria> while mirroring sourceforge
[19:38] <Symmetria> I managed to sustain complete saturation on a gigabit ethernet card
[19:38] <Symmetria> for 12 solid hours
[19:38] <Symmetria> and the disks actually kept up 
[19:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> night all
[19:43] <Kilos> night ThatGraemeGuy  
[19:58] <Kilos> did you expect them not to Symmetria  ?
[20:53] <Vince-0> !