[05:21] o/ good morning :) [05:21] hi Tonberry [05:21] Maaz: coffee on [05:21] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [05:22] Maaz: botsnack [05:22] Thank you thank you, munch munch chomp chomp [05:25] Coffee's ready for nuvolari! [05:26] thank you Maaz [05:26] er [05:26] Maaz: thanks [05:26] nuvolari: Sure [05:47] fine :-/ [05:47] moet nie groet nie [05:47] :P [06:19] morning [06:31] morning peoples [07:00] good mornings [07:09] morning inetpro, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm, nuvolari [07:09] Maaz: coffee on [07:09] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [07:13] oh hi inetpro, charl, ThatGraemeGuy, Squirm [07:13] Maaz: hurry up with that coffee, i need to wake up [07:13] charl: Excuse me? [07:13] nope no excuses hurry up [07:13] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:13] finally [07:13] Maaz: thanks ! [07:13] charl: No problem [07:19] hi Kilos :) [07:19] hi Squirm ThatGraemeGuy nuvolari and others [07:19] hi charl lee [07:19] dag Spekko [07:26] 'lo, 'lo & 'lo [07:26] haha [07:34] inetpro, ping [07:46] i'm in a good mood this morning [07:46] maybe it's because i slept so well [07:46] i could hardly get up this morning [07:50] lol [07:50] hi Vince-0 [07:54] o/ Oom Kilos [08:00] when you gonna add something interesting to the agenda Vince-0 [08:03] ha! I've been so busy here trying to start a company [08:03] aha [08:03] yours? [08:04] hopefully [08:04] good [08:05] ;-) I think kbmonkey won't make it to chair this eve [08:06] I haven't been keeping up with the Canonical news, [08:06] ya he told me, is he ok [08:06] he didnt answer when i asked is he ok [08:06] probably busy with work too [08:08] I'm sure I can dig up some news feed items about Ubuntu [08:08] I remember there being a desktop environment productivity study somewhere [08:09] also we need to find out what we can do to improve our connectivity in za [08:09] like to to email and rev [08:10] Maaz, google south african minister of communication [08:10] Kilos: "Department Of Communications" http://www.doc.gov.za/ :: "Minister of Communications (South Africa) - Wikipedia, the free ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minister_of_Communications_(South_Africa) :: "Department of Telecommunications and Postal Services - Wikipedia ..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Telecommunications_and_Postal_Services :: [08:10] "Blog: South Africa's new communications ministry causes concern" http://cpj.org/blog/2014/0… [08:10] ha [08:10] i dunno what one would call that minister [08:11] cape town's pushing big fibre projects [08:11] ive found that if one complains to the top they get great pleasure in revving everyone beneath them [08:12] yes fibre is the answer, but they need to wake up peeps like voda with their adds of how wonderful they are [08:13] take bushtech for example, he gets utms from them but yoyos all the time, they have no excuse for that [08:14] Here's the untiy productivity article [08:14] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml [08:14] connectivity wise i cant complain, because im online nearly all the time [08:19] heh [08:19] you want the ZA ubuntu loco to shout at govt to improve connectivity? === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [08:20] not as a loco but as individuals [08:21] the peeps at the top just sit and enjoy their incomes and perks, so, if no one informs them of what probs there are they just park off [08:22] Kilos: pong [08:23] oh and hi [08:23] like pta govt section, i used to have power cuts almost daily everytime the wind blew or it rained and complaining didnt help [08:24] i then got hold of the mayor and within 2 weeks all trees near lines were trimmed or removed and since then power has been quite stable [08:24] ohi inetpro are you ok? [08:24] meeting tonight [08:24] what meeting? [08:24] o.O [08:24] ai! [08:25] Kilos: govt is forever making noise about improving connectivity [08:25] as with many things, awareness isn't the issue, lack of action is [08:25] yes ThatGraemeGuy that is [08:25] um [08:25] er [08:25] just political talk to get votes [08:26] when contacted at the top they actually do things [08:27] all the speaches you here are written and read and not absorbed, one needs to actually make them act on complaints or issues [08:28] read speeches go above or through minds [08:29] but guys/ladies, remember, the previous regime kept the interwebs away from us before 1994! :P [08:29] 20 years ago [08:29] ok, sorry, we're not supposed to discuss politics IIRC [08:29] :P [08:30] we as net users must do something to improve the net for us and future users [08:30] as they say if you dont buy a ticket you cant win the prize [08:31] oom Kilos, it only went mainstream globally in 1994 [08:31] IIRC :P [08:31] just lurking and complaining will never have any results [08:32] nuvolari, im mainly thinking of poor stability atm [08:32] youve all had it when trying to attend a meet or something [08:33] if someone can point me to the correct peeps to contact ill do the mailing === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] [09:16] ThatGraemeGuy, i got my mv setup working , is it weaker than the lv setup? or did i do something wrong [09:16] oh and what are solar panels for [09:17] i have made some but they dont connect like the things with a cross inside [09:21] haha were there no comments or opinions to that link that unity is king [09:21] hehe [09:21] http://news.softpedia.com/news/Believe-It-or-Not-Unity-Is-the-King-of-Productivity-450919.shtml [09:21] i think im the only one here using it still [09:23] i don't think it's that bad actually [09:24] ubuntu one is closing down / [09:24] ? [09:25] charl: eh? you didn't get the annoying notifications? :P [09:25] i read why somewhere, but as in my case maybe it wasnt utilised as it could be [09:25] nuvolari: no somebody else i know just forwarded me a mail [09:25] i never use ubuntu one [09:26] cloud storage in general [09:26] at work we have a owncloud based thing now [09:26] it worked quite fine to share things [09:26] but i'll keep it to that [09:26] i'm interested to know why they decided to cancel their service now [09:26] considering that those types of tools are all the rage at the moment [09:27] maybe not profitable enough ? [09:27] it was in the earlier emails i think charl that they gave the reason why [09:27] ah ok never got them [09:28] http://askubuntu.com/questions/444930/why-is-ubuntu-one-going-to-be-shut-down [09:31] Kilos: solar panel produces power [09:31] the "thing with the cross" is a solar array, it also makes power, but more than a panel [09:31] you connect them with same cables ThatGraemeGuy ? [09:31] MV stuff uses MV cables [09:31] LV stuff LV cables [09:32] guess what you use for HV stuff? :P [09:32] LV/MV/HV is low/medium/high voltage [09:32] oh i didnt notice if they were mv or lv [09:32] lv is white cables [09:32] mv cables are black [09:32] ya i got that far [09:32] http://blog.canonical.com/2014/04/02/shutting-down-ubuntu-one-file-services/ [09:32] hv cables are black and yellow stripes [09:34] do your mv arrays also supply less power than the lv ones with same number of them cross things [09:34] hehe [09:35] i get 2500 from 5 lv ones and 1500 from same number mv ones [09:36] but they are on the opposit side of the roof [09:36] opposite [09:37] that thing [09:37] same height [09:37] ? [09:37] yip [09:37] weird [09:37] ill check again tonight [09:37] wait [09:37] are they MV panels or MV arrays? [09:37] arrays for both [09:37] you have LV arrays if i recall correctly [09:37] oh [09:37] weird [09:38] mine are HV, so i can't compare [09:38] was major work making mv arrays [09:38] yea its a lot of effort [09:38] the idea is to make you work for the more useful stuff [09:38] lol [09:38] wait until you build a mining laser ;) [09:39] a mk3 one is a huge amount of resources [09:39] i found a rank3 chest in new server too [09:39] got to bronze tools haha [09:39] and i found lava [09:39] you digging down? [09:39] don't get too comfortable there ;) [09:40] wen into a cave then kept going down [09:40] went [09:40] just put lights and kept going [09:41] nope was just looking what ores there are, no mese yet [09:41] but lots of new stuffs [09:42] mese only starts arouns -128 isn't it? [09:43] i dunno [09:44] but it works kiff just empty of bulidings [09:44] buildings and roads [09:44] hehe [09:45] the main one is very lekker with everything in [09:46] when we all got lazer guns you can turn on the monsters [09:46] lol [09:46] lasers are for mining [09:46] killing monsters is work for swords [09:46] dont they kill peeps too? [09:46] lasers? don't know [09:46] im sure they will [09:47] its a mining laser, don't know if the mod was written to damage players [09:47] and everything behind the monster too haha [09:47] picks kill peeps [09:48] that lazer is an impressive tool [09:48] picks damage players because that's how the code was written [09:52] aha [09:53] the only code i know is ...---... [09:54] .... --- .-- -.. --- -.-- --- ..- -.. --- ..--.. [09:54] hehe maaz makes it so easy [10:38] got my new PC last night [10:47] cool [10:47] you happy? [11:01] ai! some peeps [11:02] come help yourself to pecan nuts but dont use the gate, rather cut the fence === SubOracle[away] is now known as SubOracle [11:21] Kilos: where did you dig on the new map? [11:29] ThatGraemeGuy, i didnt dig i went into a cave [11:30] are you there now? [11:30] ill pop in so you can find me [11:31] sorry i took so long, was having lunch [11:54] good afternoon folks [11:54] busy busy today whow [11:55] does Maaz do esperesso ? i need a double one i think [11:55] doppio [11:55] lol [11:56] he makes boeretroos [11:56] as long as it's freshly ground biological coffee [11:57] always fresh , written in python [11:59] Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png [12:00] i'm going to delete that map [12:00] stopped the server so long [12:00] the orange in the forest is fire, by the way [12:13] ok [12:14] wow ThatGraemeGuy big one hey [12:14] yes [12:14] did you see if that thing was a dungeon [12:14] when i was underground i picked up some lava into a lava can [12:14] haha naughty [12:14] and then i was cutting trees and i guess i accidentally mousewheeled or something, because instead of cutting a tree i put down a lava block :( [12:15] uh oh [12:15] i'm looking into how rollback works [12:15] you rush too much [12:15] there is apparently a rollback function so you can undo something [12:15] not sure though [12:15] its not serious [12:15] we havent done anything there really [12:18] you remember waaay back when you were playing with lava and pouring it from high into a lake? [12:18] this is why i warned you to be careful ;-) [12:18] although in this case i was in a jungle, which is pretty much the worst place to drop lava [12:19] jungle grass and trees grow very close together :-/ [12:19] lol we made that lake mooi man [12:20] ive built some walls around so it can be filled again even higher [12:21] then we can make layered places [12:21] did you see the glass house the fly built under that lake [12:22] no [12:22] remind me tonight, will check it out [12:22] i drowned a coupla times just trying to get to the entrance [12:22] ok [12:22] we can call it atlantis [12:24] and start a colony of mermaid peeps that work outside [12:24] hehe [12:24] we havent had one female visitor yet [12:24] sjoe [12:27] * Kilos goes to kde. wbb [12:30] hmm... [12:30] my unity is corrupt somewhere [12:31] Maaz hi [12:31] Howzit Kilos [12:32] Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/new.png [12:32] water didn't help [12:32] if you stand still it seems that fire only spreads a certain distance [12:32] except some fire still exists at the edge of that distance [12:32] ah [12:33] and as soon as you move closer more stuff starts burning [12:33] like everything else it needs new source to carry on [12:33] you see that square, i was standing at the centre of it, so it only burned until that distance [12:33] didn't spread, but i could still see fire at the edges of the square [12:33] weird [12:33] and as soon as i moved closer it started spreading again [12:34] dont peeps get burned [12:34] yes [12:34] if you stand right in it [12:34] eish more system updates available [12:37] i know lava really cooks you, i have the pile of bones to prove it [13:33] good afternoon all [13:38] hi magespawn :) [13:38] hey charl [13:54] ai keeel you! slf4j is a pile of nonsense [13:54] anyone around that knows how to tame it? [13:57] nuvolari: have you tried log4j [13:57] logging in java is a mess in any case [14:03] anyone know for sure what frequencies are unlicensed in south africa? [14:04] charl: it's a 3rd party lib using it [14:05] charl: I might be missing the point of all the logging frameworks, but we've been quite happy with JUL [14:05] but yeah, agreed, logging is a PITA [14:08] a pita? looking it up [14:09] oh, now i see :) thought it sounded a bit like spanish puta [14:12] lol [14:13] magespawn: you mean spectrum available for licensing or bands that may be used without licence? [14:14] either way, icasa likely has the information [14:15] whether its easily understood is a different question [14:17] ThatGraemeGuy, that is the problem, i am looking at the bands that can be used without a licence [14:18] what are you doing? [14:18] i understood that 2.4Ghz and 5.2Ghz where un-licensed [14:18] offhand i know of 2.4GHz and 5GHz [14:18] looking into wug and other wan network ideas [14:18] yeah that's where 802.11 stuff goes [14:19] ah [14:19] yeah thats what they use [14:19] http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-24ghz-c-38?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2 and http://www.scoopdistribution.co.za/index.php/antennas-5ghz-c-37?osCsid=a5bsan37h22l07fecfv2i8d1g2 [14:19] with WUG its best to get in touch with your local guys, they are typically quite helpful [14:19] well the CTWUG guys are at least [14:20] also i think that if it goes out your property you still have to apply to icasa for licence exemption [14:20] which equipment you need is dependant on what's already in place near you [14:20] not sure [14:21] that is what i understand from icasa [14:21] but contact your WUG people, they will likely know all the answers already. no need to get lost alone, rely on the community [14:22] i think the durban one will be the closest [14:22] where are you? [14:22] Empangeni currently but mostly Hluhluwe [14:24] ah [14:25] i did not know about that supplier, thanks for those links [14:26] np [14:26] also from icasa if you provide any service to a third party regardless of the frequency you use you have to be licensed [14:27] the WUG people typically have an IRC hangout that's usually a good place to lurk for a bit [14:27] you are supplying yourself with service :P [14:27] if there was an ICASA hassle they would've shut down the WUGs already [14:28] seriously, talk to your WUG people, they have all these answers already, no sense trying to speculate or make sense of ICASA nonsense [14:35] hi magespawn Gremble lemme catch up [14:37] hey Kilos [14:38] i think WUG fall under the exemption part of the rules [14:40] i agree with that ThatGraemeGuy [14:46] these issues are often a legal grey area, just like many others [14:47] if you join a wug, you have strength in numbers [14:47] besides, you can simply state it's community building [14:47] rather join a larger existing group of people than trying to go at it yourself [14:48] he is miles away from any wugs charl [14:49] magespawn is this for home town or pangeni [14:49] home town Kilos [14:49] Kilos: wug links can be up to 50km depending on equipment and environment [14:49] they're a bit more powerful than your WiFi AP at home ;-) [14:50] he is more than 50k from pangeni i think [14:50] i am not sure but i think the nearest 250km + [14:50] ya [14:50] in durban [14:50] ah, that might be a significant hurdle [14:50] nope no luck there [14:50] you will have to build repeaters ;-) [14:50] you're going to need multiple relays indeed [14:50] i have not found anything here in empangeni [14:50] magespawn hometown including parks? [14:51] just the town and any out lying farmers that want to join [14:51] magespawn: speak to the DWC guys, they were making a killing [14:51] haha you gonna make them pay with pineapples [14:52] might be an idea [14:52] magespawn: they might already have some long-range relay points [14:52] DWC ? [14:52] the DWC used to be big, i don't know how they are right now [14:52] my knowlege about za is outdated :) [14:52] http://www.dwc.za.net/ [14:53] magespawn is quite clued up with wifi equipment already he has done that one resort in a park iirc [14:53] its just the legal stuff hey magespawn ? [14:54] been in your mind more than a year now [14:54] yup i have sort out the licence exemption services and networks application [14:55] bbl all [14:55] had a visit from the icasa compliance and enforcement officer today [14:55] meeting tonight ? [14:55] aha [14:55] yes charl [14:55] ok bbl then :) [14:56] Maaz announce monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps [14:56] Hear ye, hear ye! monthly meeting tonight at 20.30 peeps [14:56] inetpro ^^ 1 [14:57] nuvolari ^^2 [14:57] superfly ^^3 [14:58] plustwo hi there are you attending? === SubOracle is now known as SubOracle[away] [15:09] hmm... [15:10] ThatGraemeGuy have you noticed, one can install ubuntu as an OEM as well [15:11] i saw it on a dvd for the first time [15:27] wb Vince-0 you at home now? [15:27] oh hey [15:27] I am indeed [15:28] hopefully one day I won't have to leave home to go to work [15:28] thats the ideal [15:29] but you find when you work for yourself you put much more effort and time in [15:30] at least then its not working for the man! [15:31] lol [15:31] you find you are a harder taskmaster on yourself than anyone else was [15:32] I do envy the farm dwellers somewhat. Been watching Doomsday Preppers lol [15:33] living on a farm is lekker but farming is hard work 24/7 [15:33] when not working you worry about what you should have already done [15:35] I like the idea of being self sufficient, subsintence etc [15:37] yes it is a satisfying achievement, you can look in the mirror and say hi boss [15:37] hi Tonberry meeting tonight hey [15:37] note tuesday [15:37] I guess you need some service provider for internet at least [15:37] hi. [15:37] I'll see if I can make it. [15:38] no beer night on tuesday its on monday [15:38] hehe [15:39] so do we have a chair person? [15:39] nuvolari said he would chair for us [15:39] 'cos I'm not sure on the bot commands etc - perhaps an instructional how to is in order [15:40] i have them saved somewhere. hopefully not on the crashed 500g drive [15:41] first is to get permission from the pro [15:41] hi bushtech meeting tonight at 20.30 hey [15:42] Thans Kilos will try & stay up & Vodacom willing [15:42] lol [15:49] been up since 4 so it's a race between bed & vodacom [15:50] why so early [15:52] car service, closest subie stealership in midrand [15:55] didn't know I drive a Lambo, wanted to charge me R7,600 for a rear silencer box. Told him where he can put it [15:56] wow [15:56] new box from performance exhaust place R800 [15:57] what a diffs hey [15:58] a factor of 10 [15:59] yip [15:59] what car is it [15:59]