[00:17] yofel: oh? :S [05:12] happy birthday apachelogger :D [05:19] ooooo, birthday congratulations and best wishes, my dear apachelogger [05:32] I'd like to create a Kubuntu „company” or project of some sort on LinkedIn. Can we achieve that? [05:37] sure, I think just do it, and then from linkedin invite people to join [05:37] * valorie will [05:38] there are groups - nightrose has one for GSoC students -- but not much traffic [05:38] there is a KDE "company" or something [05:40] valorie: what should be the official email? [05:40] do we have one? [05:41] I mean, not the mail list [05:41] oh god no, linkedin spams like crazy [05:41] something that ends in @kubuntu.org [05:41] then I'll put mine for now [05:42] sounds good [05:43] I hate to say this, because linkedin seemed decent for a long time, but it seems that they have turned to the dark side lately [05:43] my ovidiub13 at kubuntu dor org email address is not available yet. Who do I have to ping for that? [05:43] so much spam [05:43] valorie: you just have to deactivate the email notifications [05:44] no, they send spam to lists *all the time* [05:44] on almost all the lists I administer - on Rootsweb (genealogy), linuxchix, KDE, and kubuntu [05:45] the KDE sysadmins threaten them very frequently [06:45] Houston I believe we have a problem.. [06:45] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20140722.2/trusty-desktop-i386.iso [06:45] shows "404 Not Found" [07:54] Sick_Rimmit: how about http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20140723/utopic-desktop-i386.iso [07:54] oh, trusty [07:54] why would there be a daily for trusty? [07:55] valorie, microreleases [07:57] in /daily-live/ I see only utopic [07:58] Sick_Rimmit, valorie: the URL in the tracker is wrong [07:58] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/trusty/daily-live/current/ [07:58] http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/kubuntu-14.04-desktop-i386.iso [07:58] from: http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/ [07:59] oh, that's releases, sorry for the noise [08:01] page down page down page down page down page down [08:03] EOF [08:03] Riddell: qtdeclarative5-kf5declarative is still named like that... I do not see it transiting to qml-module-whatever [08:03] solid neither FWIW [08:21] I hate bzr so very very very very much === toscalix_ is now known as toscalix [08:31] apachelogger: well better believe it cos the transition is in bzr [08:31] whatever is wrong with bzr? as long as you're patient it's your best friend === Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | Congrats to our newest kubuntu-member: ovidiu-florin [08:32] apachelogger: ¡feliz cumpleaños! [08:36] Riddell: it's not in ppa, so I can't change the names [08:37] Riddell: when can I expect to use my @kubuntu.org email address? [08:38] "The script which creates the email aliases runs every 2 days. So please wait at least 48 hours before checking if the email is working (or leave it a couple more days to be sure). " [08:38] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail [08:42] I wonder what to do about oversized 14.04.1 ISOs [08:42] !testers | 14.04.1 testing! [08:42] 14.04.1 testing!: Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket for information [08:43] drop some languages? [08:43] oh wait, we can't there aren't any left :P [08:43] heh [08:43] uploading workspace to staging [08:44] ah bugger, I forgot to add gdb there [08:44] some reviewers you guys are :P [08:44] what what [08:44] pagedown pagedown pagedown pagedown pagedown [08:49] When I installed project neon to this laptop today, I noticed an enormous number of packages I've never had, such as claws-mail, emacs, etc. [08:49] is this intended? [08:50] didn't happen a few days ago when I installed it on the retiring laptop [08:50] emacs sounds wrong [08:50] but in regular session there is no emacs installed.... [08:51] It did to me, for sure [08:51] * valorie doesn't need a third OS on this lappy [08:51] happy birthday, apachelogger [08:51] claws-mail seemed completely off the wall as well [08:52] is it my birthday? [08:52] thank you [08:53] valorie: what did you install exactly [08:53] afaik, just project neon [08:54] `sudo apt install project-neon5-session project-neon5-utils project-neon5-konsole` [08:55] that is a paste from up-arrow in yakuake [09:00] maybe utils pulls something in [09:00] there's a bunch of dev plunder in utils [09:00] not quite sure why installing it is suggested [09:00] I just thought I'd mention it, since it didn't happen a few days ago [09:00] valorie: where is that line from? [09:01] that was the line I used to install, and I copied it from Riddell's post [09:01] https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/15/plasma-5-here-all-ready-eat-your-babies [09:01] didn't eat my babies though [09:01] just gave me emacs [09:02] :) [09:03] it's sorta bare-bones still [09:03] I suppose it will grow pretty quickly [09:03] only problem I've had is that I can't get the wallpaper to show [09:04] emacs is like a decease, if you don't watch out you can easily catch it from other people [09:05] I think I'm pretty safe on that score [09:05] not my style at all [09:05] apachelogger-x apachelogger-c [09:05] whatever that may mean [09:06] * apachelogger needs to fetch his vimrc from his old $HOME [09:06] if I found my old home that is :'< [09:06] shadeslayer: qtcurve already moved to next? [09:06] apachelogger: yes [09:06] I tested it [09:06] eet works [09:06] shadeslayer: breeze will want adjustment [09:06] for? [09:06] recommends all curves [09:07] oh [09:07] it's part of breeze theme convergence [09:07] I already made plasma5-desktop recommend it [09:07] or was it depend [09:07] I forget [09:07] too much rage yesterday [09:07] breeze still needs to recommend it :P [09:07] yeah ofcourse [09:07] will fixeroo after I write orchrestration [09:07] * apachelogger does the daily dist upgrade to proceed with testing -.- [09:12] hmmm, I should go to bed [09:12] ttyl.... [09:13] night valorie [09:14] shadeslayer: rejected kdeclarative cos copyright didn't list MIT, I've updated bzr, please check and re-upload [09:16] :( [09:19] Riddell: uploaded [09:20] The following packages will be REMOVED: [09:20] kde-style-qtcurve [09:20] I still don't get why the package had to be renamed [09:21] well, if the Qt5 package has a 5 at the end, why make it inconsistent with the Qt4 version [09:23] why would one? [09:23] it's not like the package name isn't an utter lie anyway [09:24] there is no kde-style-qtcurve5 [09:24] there is [09:24] it's a qt5-style-qtcruve if anything [09:24] Depends: frameworkintegration, libc6 (>= 2.14), libqt5core5a (>= 5.3.0), libqt5dbus5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5gui5 (>= 5.3.0) | libqt5gui5-gles (>= 5.3.0), libqt5svg5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5widgets5 (>= 5.0.2), libqt5x11extras5 (>= 5.1.0), libqtcurve-utils1, libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1), qtbase-abi-5-3-0 [09:24] why does it dep on frameworkintegration Oo [09:26] it only works with frameworkintegration [09:26] or at least when you select it through system settings it breaks unless you have frameworkintegration [09:26] ^^ [09:26] that makes no sense whatsoever [09:27] what frameworksintegration does is make qt load the style configured in the style kcm [09:27] that has nothing to do with the theme depending on frameworkintegration [09:29] hm, sounds about right, but then can you configure QtCurve from other places? [09:30] so that applications use the qtcurve style [09:30] probably qt-config can do it [09:30] but that's hardly the most likely option [09:31] I suppose a recommends could be justified but it's nasty to break for users and I can't imaging why you wouldn't want frameworkintegration around [09:31] it should have no relationship with frameworkintegration! [09:32] this is true ^^ [09:32] shadeslayer: any other QPA [09:32] and probably .config/Trolltech.conf [09:32] because there could be any number of other ui's that could configure this [09:32] unless they changed the config path, there is a native config somewhere anyway [09:32] but I am not really aware of them [09:38] maybe systemsettings needs to depend on frameworkintegration as it's that kcm which needs it [09:39] that seems more sensible to me [09:39] nonononononononono [09:39] why not? [09:39] the kcm doesn't need it [09:39] for the kcm's setting to take effect you need it [09:40] the setting is there and written to file and all , except it does not do anything unless frameworkintegration is there [09:41] the situation would be the same if there was another platform plugin that gets loaded instead of the frameworks one [09:41] so that is really something to carry and discuss upstream [09:42] apachelogger: that's very broken behavious, if it writes the setting but the setting doesn't take place [09:43] there is no active tie from systemsettings to frameworkintegration, so what happens if a user installs dolphin in gnome, then installs systemsettings and wants to set the style, and what if there is another platform plugin getting loaded (assuming that can happen) [09:43] upstream just says make plasma-workspace depend on it [09:43] right, that's what we go with then [09:44] the problem ultimately (if anywhere) would be a bug in qt, not providing a way to set the style without a platform plugin [09:45] apacheloggeris e.u.c still broken for you [09:45] was last I checked [09:45] 2 weeks ago or so [09:45] yeah, ev still hasn't replied to me [09:45] send mail and cc ubuntu-devel? [09:45] surely someone can find out what's wrong [09:45] yeah I guess [09:46] hey folks! [09:46] hi ochosi [09:46] Riddell: I'll argue that a recommends from systemsettings is warranted [09:46] but the thing is [09:46] this applies to all kde applications [09:46] quick question, you've been using trello for a while, are you still using launchpad's blueprint system and status.ubuntu.com at all? if so, what for? if not, any things your missing from that? [09:47] ochosi: nah dropped that along with wiki Specs [09:47] and since there is no uniform way to hook into those, I think upstream's suggestion is really the best there is right now [09:47] Riddell: so only trello it is? [09:49] ochosi: yep, although upstream KDE now uses kanboard as a free alternative [09:49] https://todo.kde.org/?controller=board&action=readonly&token=15ea7072a1f2be97963e83e1193f5fe8f1cf431272101b119d1d2237003a [09:53] apachelogger: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/daisy/add-kubuntu-bugs/+merge/227879 [09:53] ah, lol [09:59] cat /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/90xapian [10:00] APT::Update::Post-Invoke-Success { "if [ -x /usr/sbin/update-apt-xapian-index ]; then update-apt-xapian-index -u; fi" } [10:00] shadeslayer: kxmlgui rejected for incomplete copyright, bzr updated, please check and reupload [10:00] Riddell, shadeslayer: ^ please create that file and watch your apt-get updates [10:00] need some preliminary data for https://trello.com/c/W1ZdDudj [10:00] well, actually, let me send a mail [10:02] * Riddell makes it sew [10:08] apachelogger: qml-module-org-kde-solid qml-module-org-kde-draganddrop etc in archive [10:13] trusty-desktop-amd64.iso 5 MB oversized [10:13] neat [10:13] amd64 is too fat [10:13] * Riddell considers removing libreoffice [10:14] Riddell: you could make the seed reject aptdaemon [10:15] it's not useful but pulled in by firefoxy [10:15] blacklist seed is what you want to edit I think [10:17] I wonder what qpdf is and why we have it on our CDs [10:18] still only gives us 1MB at most [10:18] Riddell: you can blacklist gdb and instead explicitly seed gdb-minimal [10:19] that will definitely be enough [10:19] or [10:19] blacklist libc-dbg/libc6-dbg [10:20] it's a recommends of gdb that we do not really need because drkonqi shoudl be able to resolve the dep and apport/whoopsie doesn't do client tracing anyway [10:20] yowsers [10:20] i.e. libc-dbg disappearing is also the primary effect of gdb-minimal as far as space is concerned ;) [10:25] gdb -> apport-kde (Recommends) [10:25] libc6-dbg | glibc | gdb (Recommends) [10:26] Riddell: can you run : grep-available -F Maintainer -i kubuntu -s Source [10:26] Riddell: and tell me if you get anything [10:27] shadeslayer: lots of kde and qt bits [10:27] Riddell: any kf5 bits [10:27] ? [10:27] yep http://paste.kde.org/poyfheit1 [10:27] awesome [10:30] ScottK: ping? [10:32] bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apport/+bug/1347565 [10:32] Ubuntu bug 1347565 in apport (Ubuntu Utopic) "apport recommends gdb" [Undecided,New] [10:35] shadeslayer: what do we do with vlc btw? debian bug is not moving much :'< [10:35] * apachelogger is a bit scared of uploading [10:36] hm [10:36] what needs done with vlc? [10:36] I did however land the same change in neon pvlc and haven't heared complaints so far [10:36] * shadeslayer is a bit busy trying to figure out why grep-available isn't working [10:36] Riddell: it not crashing kf5 apps would be good [10:36] yes it would [10:36] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=755154 [10:36] Debian bug 755154 in vlc "vlc cache gen should happen at runtime, not buildtime" [Normal,Open] [10:38] sparkleshare - distributed collaboration and sharing tool [10:38] :D [10:39] sounds dirty [10:40] I also do wonder how to package our qt5 ports so that new archive uploads don't override them :S [10:41] bigger version number? [10:41] what's the issue? [10:41] but how big too not make them too big :P [10:59] btw thoughts on where to setup ISO orchrestration [10:59] for Kubuntu 5 [10:59] till Colin sets up stuff on cdimages [11:00] yofel: ScottK apachelogger Riddell [11:00] hmm cantor needs lua, that package just gets weirder [11:03] shadeslayer: what does that mean? [11:03] Riddell: we need to setup ISO scripts somewhere to build kubuntu5 iso's till Colin sets up infra on cdimages [11:04] where do you propose setting up the scripts? [11:05] hmm [11:06] can qa.kubuntu.co.uk handle it? I suspect not [11:06] you don't want it on blue systems server? [11:06] I am unsure, it might be able to [11:06] I'd rather fire up an ec2 server to do it I think [11:06] Riddell: idk, apachelogger didn't seem to keen on it [11:06] *too [11:07] silly apachelogger, always making trouble [11:09] * apachelogger just wrote a reply on kubuntuforums, took so long his session timed out Oo [11:09] heh [11:10] shadeslayer, Riddell: I don't want it handled in bluesystems channels etc, the server it runs on I do not care about [11:35] plasma-workspace, desktop and qtcurve moving to next [11:35] shadeslayer: I totally feel like we should automate this :P [11:50] you want to wire up britney for it? :D [11:50] maaaaaaybe [11:51] although, I'd actually rather have something that is blocking all migration when something fails [11:51] well, britney blocks breakage, isn't that enough? [11:52] not consequential enough if you ask me [11:53] I mean, it's fine for archive scale, considering the limited set of the ppa I'd find it perfectly acceptable to consider the stage as a whole for migration and therefore block it as a whole if something is broken [11:54] softwareproperties and usb-creator in stage [11:54] Riddell: infinity needs to bless any trusty changes atm. [11:54] mh [11:55] well, britney doesn't actually migrate stuff, it creates the list of stuff that can migrate. If that's not all you can just abort [11:55] Riddell: shadeslayer: you know, for the qt5 ports it might actually worthwhile to wire up recipes [11:55] yofel: ic [11:56] what I said is true when running it locally at least, it can feed its output directly into the dak database, but we don't use dak [12:14] Riddell: my fund application for the LiMux event was accepted :) === ximion1 is now known as ximion-afk === greyback is now known as greyback|lunch [12:19] Mamarok: yay! [12:21] yep, that's really nice :) [12:22] but we are not many yet, any more people attending? [12:23] there's kde people attending as well IIRC [12:23] ah there's a new notes [12:28] hm, software-properties icon is broken somehow [12:28] or maybe I forgot to set it [12:28] who knows :S [12:31] app icons are still a bit broken for me, kmenuedit doesn't work, app template one doesn't work [12:31] kmenuedit wouldn't surprise me if it has none set [12:31] given that its kaboutdata appears pretty kaput [12:33] still I'd like to know why it doesn't work in the kapptemplate one I made https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119388/ [12:33] http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/moo.tar.gz [12:34] CMake Warning (dev) at /usr/share/ECM/modules/ECMInstallIcons.cmake:205 (message): [12:34] ecm_install_icons() with no ICONS argument is deprecated [12:34] that maybe? [12:37] Riddell: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qapplication.html#windowIcon-prop [12:38] apachelogger: that just installs it, they still get installed [12:38] apachelogger: I was hoping that aboutData.setProgramIconName() would do that for me [12:39] actually [12:39] Riddell: works for me [12:39] I think [12:39] shows the gear icon? [12:40] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/Mveh1Ke.png [12:40] Riddell: you did install, right? :P [12:41] uhh, recipe build seems to work nicely for qt5 packaging [12:42] -- Installing: /usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/./moo.png [12:42] yep it installs [12:43] apachelogger: are you using the plasma 5 packages or the neon packages? [12:43] plasma [12:43] apachelogger: anyway can you take a screenshot of the app for kapptemplate? [12:43] Riddell: you have frameworkintegration installed, right? :P [12:43] I do [12:43] Riddell: what's you icon theme in systemsettings? [12:44] apachelogger: breeze [12:45] hm [12:45] Riddell: rm .cache/*kicon* [12:45] then try again [12:46] rm ~/.cache/icon-cache.kcache; moo makes no difference [12:46] it is spooky [12:47] '"Theme tree: (Breeze)"' pointless debug output annoys me [12:48] hm [12:48] very curious [12:48] very [12:48] can I have my screenshot now? [12:48] thing is also, I think mine is going entirely through the cache [12:48] I have no file access on moo.png [12:49] Riddell: can't do dropshadow though [12:49] kwin doesn't like novulsululuooo [12:50] http://i.imgur.com/md7uXvu.png [12:51] lovely, thanks [13:03] shadeslayer: no kjs in the archive? [13:05] shadeslayer: khtml, kdelibs4support [13:05] An unhandled exception occurred: [13:05] shadeslayer: kiconthemes [13:05] name 'KStandardDirs' is not defined [13:05] :'( [13:05] apachelogger: it's in support no? [13:06] shadeslayer: kjsembed [13:06] Riddell: it's not in python tho :P [13:06] anyway, problem is that usb-creator decides to use different ways to lookup the data assets when run from source and when run from install path [13:06] didn't catch that [13:07] in software-properties it works all the same [13:07] I tell you the python software we have is a work of madness [13:08] there's no common solutions, no shared stuff, no code style or structure that is the same [13:08] it's like a reinvention of the reinvention of the reinvention [13:08] mostly it's ports of the ubuntu stuff [13:08] and those are inconsistent as well [13:09] but all apps I have seen have kde specific logic to deal with a) translations and b) encoding [13:09] and all were different [13:09] and by different I don't mean they looked slightly different... they were doing entirely different things to achieve the same goal [13:10] one of them has a like 20 sloc function to translate qt ui files and the other has 4..... [13:11] * apachelogger always almost accidentally deletes ppas when wanting to delete a package -.- [13:12] it's got the same icon, is at the almost the same location, and it has an annoying page with an ugly button that looks like the build-retry page which I learned to ignore [13:12] muchos dangerous [13:14] shadeslayer: are you planning to land qtcurve in the archive btw? === greyback|lunch is now known as greyback [13:20] * apachelogger pokes launchpad with a stick [13:21] is it just me or are some builders really really slow? [13:25] 'Morning all [13:26] \o/ [13:26] apachelogger: ^^ [13:27] lets see [13:27] kubotu: imager build [13:27] :( [13:27] guess not [13:28] didn't feel like it clearly [13:28] ^^ [13:32] kubuntuBot: imager build [13:35] shadeslayer: you could take him to a different channel you know [13:35] shadeslayer: #apacheloggerslounge is always free :P [13:35] heh [13:50] Sick_Rimmit: hola, wanting to look at opencv today? [13:54] meh if I want to compile anything kde4 that cares about activities I need to remove plasma-workspace and desktop [13:54] upstream sucks! [14:05] meh [14:05] * apachelogger doesn't want to package debconf qt5 port with recipe :'< [14:38] feed branches had 9 updates, showing the latest 6 [15:09] The next import is scheduled to run as soon as possible. [15:10] I think lunchpad is too busy to let me work on the qt5 ports ... [15:13] apachelogger: anything left to port btw? [15:13] I can have a look at it on Friday [15:16] nope [15:16] yes [15:16] ubiquity [15:17] but xnox wanted to do that anyway, so best check with him [15:17] Riddell: how's kdesudo going btw? [15:17] shadeslayer: ah well, and all of muon [15:17] heh [15:17] not particularly blocking though [15:17] I'm going to leave that beast to Aleix [15:18] apachelogger: what do you mean about ubiquity?! [15:18] i see nothing outstanding [15:20] xnox: qt5 porting [15:21] apachelogger: was working yesterday, not done anything today and needs a bunch of tidying up, then it needs proposed to go into plasma, I guess another day's work [15:21] apachelogger: oh porting to qt5, right, haven't started that yet. [15:22] apachelogger: there are vague plans around it. [15:22] shadeslayer: ^ [15:22] apachelogger: question is whether I should do more 4.14 beta tomorrow or kdesudo or 4.04.1 [15:22] beta [15:24] I do think kdesu (5) needs to have alternatives support added, I don't think I have seen that yet [15:24] without that we cannot smoothly hijack kdesu calls [15:25] apachelogger: alternative debian package system or more internal to kdesu [15:25] former [15:25] I did port kdesu to sudo back in the day but its split architecture means it doesn't remember the password [15:25] so we switched to kdesudo [15:25] I think we used diversion at some point and I switched it to alternatives because diversions would break every other year [15:26] Riddell: kdesudo doesn't do that either (anymore) (for unknown reasons) [15:26] so we might as well use kdesu :P [15:26] remember the password? sure it does [15:26] did yesterday when i was testing [15:26] I had to run sudo -k lots to forget it [15:28] Riddell: maybe kdesudo needs to be fixed for that then [15:28] Riddell: at any rate, if password remembering is the only reason we'd want to keep kdesudo I'd just ditch ignore that shortcoming and use kdesu [15:29] I mean, there's next to no cases where something needs sudo to begin with [15:29] in fact I have a hard time to come up with a recent kdesudo run :P [15:30] ah, inproperly set up users will get sudo queried when mounting devices I thinkg [15:30] yes there's a lot fewer now thanks to polkit [15:31] software-properties IIRC uses kdesudo [15:31] mh, I'd assess whether kdesu wit h sudo wouldn't be better [15:31] yofel: not for long [15:31] but it's not that much that uses it, so kdesu should do the job [15:31] in fact I already had made the port to dbus and it was merged, somehow I then didn't port our stuff to the dbus api though :P [15:31] Riddell: oh and kdesudo surely doesn't remember since 13.04 or so [15:32] what? meaning my stupid bug workarounds are still in there? :D [15:32] and no one complained AFAIK, so I really don't think remembering is that much of a killer feature anymore [15:32]