| pitti | Good morning | 04:17 |
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| pabloh | Can somebody recommend an lightweight display manager? (I've been using Qingy for a while but it's hard to get it working on some hardware) | 05:54 |
| RAOF | lightdm? :) | 06:12 |
| mvo | pitti: good morning! what do you reckon are the chances for https://launchpadlibrarian.net/180534575/gobject-introspection_1.40.0-2ubuntu1_1.40.0-2ubuntu2.diff.gz to go upstream into debian? it seems to work fine from my limited testing, the only issue is that the gir libs need adjusting now in their gir1.2-foo.install file (/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/* -> /usr/lib/*/girepositoriy-1.0/*) | 06:22 |
| pitti | mvo: for debian, no problem; the hardcoded /usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ is a bit ugly for upstreaming, though | 06:44 |
| pitti | mvo: I'll commit our changes to Debian | 06:46 |
| mvo | pitti: hold on a sec | 06:46 |
| pitti | mvo: err, wait | 06:46 |
| pitti | mvo: are the typelibs actually platform dependenct? | 06:46 |
| mvo | pitti: this will cause ftbfs for the packages that build with the new gojbect-introspection | 06:46 |
| mvo | pitti: the fix is trivial, just updating the install path | 06:46 |
| pitti | mvo: in any way, this requires a note to ... | 06:46 |
| pitti | yes | 06:46 |
| mvo | pitti: if you think thats ok, I'm all for it :) | 06:47 |
| pitti | ... d|u-devel-announce@ at least, and a transiiton | 06:47 |
| mvo | pitti: I don't know how platform dependent the typelibs really are, but they are different on the arches, not sure what plays a role here | 06:47 |
| mvo | pitti: I can prepare a ppa with this change and test build of the rdepends to ensure we don't run into nasty corner cases. or do you think the gir stuff is all well behaved? | 06:48 |
| didrocks | hey mvo, bonjour pitti! | 06:49 |
| mvo | hey didrocks, good morning | 06:49 |
| pitti | mvo: well, at this stage (RTM) testing can never hurt, although I'm not sure how much introspection we actually use on touch (probably very little) | 06:50 |
| mvo | pitti: very little indeed, just 2 gstreamer libs right now iirc | 06:51 |
| pitti | mvo: so, the announcement to the devs is the main thing to do then | 06:53 |
| mvo | pitti: all right, let me draft something this morning. | 06:54 |
| willcooke | morning all | 07:09 |
| willcooke | seb128, Chromium 35 is in. I think ChrisCoulson took care of it | 07:09 |
| willcooke | 36 has issues | 07:09 |
| didrocks | morning willcooke | 07:11 |
| willcooke | hey didrocks | 07:12 |
| willcooke | didrocks, are you UTC +1 ? | 07:12 |
| didrocks | willcooke: yeah, just one hour in the future compared to you :) | 07:13 |
| willcooke | so is it 8:13 for you? | 07:13 |
| didrocks | no, it's 9:13, with dailight saving | 07:13 |
| didrocks | daylight* | 07:14 |
| willcooke | ahh, ok - so you're still an hour ahead of me then | 07:14 |
| didrocks | yep | 07:14 |
| willcooke | didrocks, the reason I ask is that I really need to catch up with you, but I don't think I'll be able to do it until say 3pm your time | 07:14 |
| willcooke | is that ok> | 07:14 |
| willcooke | ? | 07:14 |
| didrocks | willcooke: that's fine, no worry! I usually go for running at lunch time :) | 07:15 |
| willcooke | hrm, you know what didrocks - we should have continued our journey down to Oz & NZ and paid those guys a visit, since we're half way there anyway | 07:19 |
| RAOF | willcooke: Come down to Hobart, it's lovely! | 07:20 |
| didrocks | willcooke: ahah, that would have been a really neat idea. And you can even tell this is for team building to meet robert ancell :) | 07:20 |
| willcooke | RAOF, didrocks - I'll see if rickspencer3 will pay :D | 07:21 |
| didrocks | heh | 07:21 |
| willcooke | right - bbiab, school run | 07:22 |
| didrocks | waow 600 on /lib, don't ask why I couldn't log in into that container | 07:29 |
| didrocks | the base image is right though | 07:29 |
| czajkowski | aloha | 07:29 |
| * didrocks purges and redownload to see if the container is corrupted | 07:30 | |
| didrocks | hey czajkowski! | 07:30 |
| didrocks | waow, the container is really corrupted… | 07:33 |
| * didrocks tries back to build it himself | 07:33 | |
| didrocks | and relaunch a remote build | 07:34 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: gooood morning you happy chappy! | 07:59 |
| didrocks | czajkowski: did you leave to your conference already? | 08:00 |
| czajkowski | didrocks: yup arrived last night in Munich so at todays hackathon and lots of Ubuntu machines being used over here | 08:00 |
| czajkowski | nice to see it being used out and about by random people | 08:01 |
| czajkowski | that table is currently hacking mongodb ubuntu and censors for the the day | 08:01 |
| didrocks | waow, excellent! | 08:01 |
| czajkowski | yup will try and get this page updated during the day https://www.hackerleague.org/hackathons/munich-iot-hackathon-planning/participations but then you cna see what is built | 08:02 |
| czajkowski | also a very useful site! | 08:02 |
| Laney | hey hey ho ho | 08:04 |
| willcooke | 'sup Laney | 08:04 |
| didrocks | czajkowski: great! | 08:04 |
| didrocks | morning Laney | 08:04 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter, I just pimped the Open Printing summit via G+ | 08:04 |
| willcooke | I'll see if someone who actually has some followers (popey) can re-share | 08:05 |
| seb128 | good morning desktopers | 08:05 |
| Laney | alright | 08:06 |
| Laney | wie gehts? | 08:07 |
| seb128 | hey didrocks Laney willcooke czajkowski | 08:07 |
| seb128 | good! | 08:07 |
| seb128 | Laney, you? | 08:07 |
| didrocks | re seb128! | 08:07 |
| seb128 | willcooke, @chromium, ack, thanks | 08:07 |
| seb128 | didrocks, re ;-) | 08:07 |
| willcooke | np | 08:07 |
| seb128 | willcooke, did you see my comment yesterday about eventual travelling and when that would be likely to be? | 08:07 |
| * willcooke scrolls back | 08:07 | |
| seb128 | it was in query | 08:08 |
| seb128 | just wondering if you could figure out if we had some travelling planned after the summer and when | 08:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, didnt get it - the wifi in Blue Fin is sometimes dodgy | 08:08 |
| willcooke | seb128, I understand there /might/ be something in October, but I will find out for certain | 08:09 |
| willcooke | do you guys use some kind of IRC proxy? | 08:09 |
| seb128 | willcooke, thanks, would be handy if we want to e.g book holidays | 08:10 |
| willcooke | something which is a bit more "store and forward" | 08:10 |
| seb128 | I don't | 08:10 |
| seb128 | larsu, Laney and some other do | 08:10 |
| Laney | yeah, screen+irssi | 08:10 |
| Laney | some people like irccloud | 08:10 |
| larsu | screen+irssi for me as well | 08:10 |
| larsu | on a raspi | 08:10 |
| * willcooke checks it out | 08:11 | |
| didrocks | willcooke: I did use irssi + bip. And after some years, realized that if people want to reach me when I'm not there, emails is better :) | 08:11 |
| didrocks | I have then only to backlog emails | 08:11 |
| didrocks | and not emails + irc + … | 08:11 |
| seb128 | emails also include content usually | 08:11 |
| seb128 | not just "ping" ;-) | 08:12 |
| didrocks | really true! :) | 08:12 |
| Laney | 'ping' is better | 08:12 |
| Laney | waaaaaay more ignorable :-) | 08:12 |
| didrocks | ahah | 08:12 |
| seb128 | lol | 08:12 |
| willcooke | ha | 08:12 |
| didrocks | willcooke: so, I guess you're warned now, don't ping without adding context ;) | 08:12 |
| willcooke | hehe - yeah I saw that yesterday :) | 08:12 |
| willcooke | I have a habit of doing that :/ | 08:13 |
| tkamppeter | willcooke, thanks for pimpimg. | 08:17 |
| willcooke | dpm, https://plus.google.com/108554416426692294217/posts/jKQh1NmjrPo | 08:20 |
| seb128 | willcooke, do you know if the chromium update is going to go to other series than utopic as well? | 08:20 |
| willcooke | dpm, is that something that one of the Ubuntu official accounts could re-share/tweet about? | 08:21 |
| willcooke | seb128, hrm - good question, I don't know. Jamie said Chris sponsored it in, so I assume that Coulson? | 08:21 |
| willcooke | I can ask him | 08:21 |
| willcooke | (if it is) | 08:21 |
| seb128 | it's chrisccoulson yes | 08:21 |
| seb128 | he doesn't seem to be online though | 08:21 |
| willcooke | I'll find him... | 08:22 |
| seb128 | he might just not be up yet | 08:22 |
| seb128 | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser btw, for the versions/by serie | 08:23 |
| seb128 | Laney, are you reviewing the developer mode mr? | 08:23 |
| Laney | yes | 08:27 |
| dpm | hi willcooke, let me have a look | 08:28 |
| ogra_ | whee, thanks ! | 08:28 |
| dpm | willcooke, https://plus.google.com/100887841569748798697/posts/CRKD6jJEjyF | 08:32 |
| willcooke | dpm, woot - thanks dude | 08:33 |
| willcooke | there you go tkamppeter! 250k followers :) | 08:33 |
| willcooke | yayay chrisccoulson | 08:33 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, morning chap! Sorry to pounce on you the second you log in | 08:34 |
| chrisccoulson | hi :) | 08:34 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, the sponsorship of Chromium 35 you kindly did yesterday - is that for all series or just U? | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | willcooke, just for U. chad says cr36 will be ready by thursday, which I'll upload to all releases | 08:35 |
| chrisccoulson | I didn't see the point in pushing cr35 to all releases, only to update it again a couple of days later | 08:35 |
| willcooke | chrisccoulson, word | 08:39 |
| Laney | bird | 08:39 |
| willcooke | Laney, bird = word? | 08:39 |
| Laney | so they say | 08:39 |
| willcooke | I didn't know | 08:39 |
| Laney | I thought everybody had heard | 08:40 |
| willcooke | about? | 08:40 |
| Laney | bird being the word | 08:40 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 08:40 |
| chrisccoulson | lol | 08:41 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, ready on thursday, waiting to see :p | 08:43 |
| seb128 | cr35 was "ready" for like 3 weeks before it got uploaded | 08:43 |
| chrisccoulson | hi seb128 :) | 08:43 |
| seb128 | I hope we don't keep doing the same to hit then "oh, next one is coming, let's do this one" and never upload anything | 08:43 |
| seb128 | because it's always take ages and by the time things are tested there is a new one | 08:44 |
| seb128 | chrisccoulson, hey ;-) | 08:44 |
| chrisccoulson | seb128, hmmm, cr35 was only ready last week. at least, that's when the builds ended up in https://launchpad.net/~canonical-chromium-builds/+archive/ubuntu/stage | 08:44 |
| seb128 | k | 08:44 |
| seb128 | well, it was "almost ready" for a while before that | 08:45 |
| seb128 | but if cr36 is ready this week or next, it's fine I guess | 08:45 |
| seb128 | let's see | 08:45 |
| chrisccoulson | Yeah, hopefully | 08:45 |
| tkamppeter | willcooke, great, still too much paper needed ... | 08:46 |
| didrocks | remember that cr34 is really buggy | 08:46 |
| didrocks | like the loosing tabs and so on | 08:47 |
| didrocks | not great for a LTS | 08:47 |
| seb128 | yeah | 08:47 |
| didrocks | losing* | 08:47 |
| czajkowski | Trevinho: has the patience of a saint! we at least have a bug reported this time https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity/+bug/1347494 still working on the back trace | 08:49 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1347494 in unity (Ubuntu) "Logging in doesn't load unity desktop on admin account" [Undecided,New] | 08:49 |
| * didrocks doesn't know why containers produced on docker hub are broken… | 08:53 | |
| didrocks | (bad permissions on directories) | 08:53 |
| czajkowski | Trevinho: for some unknown ditty reason it seems to hate unity-dbgsyms E: Unable to locate package unity-dbgsyms | 08:53 |
| czajkowski | are they built for utopic could that be it? | 08:53 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: did you get the same issue? | 08:54 |
| didrocks | seems to be https://github.com/dotcloud/docker/issues/5892 | 08:54 |
| * didrocks reads | 08:54 | |
| Sweetshark | didrocks: havent run into that yet, but will look out now ;) | 08:57 |
| * didrocks is trying -s=devicemapper as suggested | 08:58 | |
| Laney | czajkowski: dbgsym not dbgsyms, and you have to have enabled that repository if you didn't already https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingProgramCrash#Debug_Symbol_Packages | 09:02 |
| seb128 | czajkowski, you need the ddeb source matching you normal apt sources | 09:04 |
| Laney | whoops! | 09:09 |
| Laney | I just reproduced the "gstreamer 1.4" leak | 09:09 |
| Laney | ..........only I was still on 1.2.4 | 09:09 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: yeah, so if you add users that are non root, don't use trusted builds for now, rather, build them yourself | 09:09 |
| didrocks | Sweetshark: there is no workaround/fix apparently yet | 09:09 |
| * didrocks followed up on the bug | 09:09 | |
| seb128 | Laney, lol | 09:11 |
| seb128 | Laney, so blaming the gst update wrongly? | 09:11 |
| seb128 | Laney, how do you reproduce it? | 09:11 |
| Laney | seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/media-hub/+bug/1346821/comments/5 I did that | 09:11 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1346821 in media-hub (Ubuntu) "media-hub-server uses all system's memory (sigkill send to init)" [Critical,New] | 09:11 |
| Laney | load an album, then click the second half of the slider to make it go to the next song | 09:12 |
| seb128 | k | 09:15 |
| seb128 | did you downgrade base as well? | 09:15 |
| seb128 | or only gst? | 09:15 |
| Laney | I didn't downgrade | 09:15 |
| Laney | just on an old image | 09:16 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter, you're muted at your end I think | 09:29 |
| willcooke | tkamppeter, I heard you for a second there | 09:30 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, do you know if canon mg6350 printers are known to have issues/not work with trusty? the printer is correctly detected/added by system-config-printer, printing makes the printer receive the job (it says so on its small lcd screen) but nothing gets out of the printer then | 09:31 |
| seb128 | it's like the job was invalid and dropped by the printer or something | 09:32 |
| seb128 | not sure how to debug, some website recommends just installing the driver from the constructor website | 09:32 |
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| didrocks | ok, going for exercising! | 10:33 |
| czajkowski | Laney: any sweet chance you're in london this week ? | 10:48 |
| Laney | czajkowski: nope | 10:48 |
| Laney | come to GUADEC next week? :-) | 10:49 |
| czajkowski | I've had 3 weeks of no tracel I'm enjoying this :p | 10:49 |
| Laney | actually I will be changing trains @ stp to get there ... | 10:50 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, the Canon printers have USB problems. Try the command "lpadmin -p <queue> -o usb-unidir-default=true" for the print queue. | 10:54 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, See "USB printer does not print or prints garbage" on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingPrintingProblems | 10:54 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, thanks, that one is a wifi one, and it works with the ppd from canon | 10:56 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, if this works out, report a bug on http://www.cups.org/str.php, post the "lsusb" output (USB product/vendor IDs) and make/model of the printer. Or edit /usr/share/cups/usb/org.cups.usb-quirks and attach the patch to your bug report. | 10:56 |
| seb128 | tkamppeter, ok, thanks | 10:56 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, for WiFi/Network I do not have any known problems of Canons. For WiFi printing in general I had only problems with my FritzBox router, but the FritzBox support helped me and fixed the firmware bug. I am running development firmware now and the printer works. Printer is HP though. | 10:59 |
| tkamppeter | seb128, no I remember that there are users of LiveBox routers who had problems with printers connected via IPP (independent of wired or wireless), these users have to replace the ipp://... URI by ipp14://... | 11:01 |
| tkamppeter | s/no/now/ | 11:01 |
| willcooke | Sweetshark, just set up a 1:1 weekly - let me know if you want to move it | 11:02 |
| willcooke | larsu, ditto | 11:04 |
| willcooke | Laney, ditto | 11:05 |
| Sweetshark | willcooke: should be fine if we really do this hard timeboxed as I have a weekly call (Engineering Steering Committee at LibreOffice on 16:00CEST on Thursday) right after that. | 11:11 |
| willcooke | Sweetshark, sure, no worries. I think once we get in to the swing of things it won't take 30 mins | 11:13 |
| willcooke | who is at guadec next week? seb128, didrocks, Laney? attente too? | 11:25 |
| Laney | yes, & larsu & desrt | 11:25 |
| willcooke | excellenrt | 11:25 |
| willcooke | excellent | 11:25 |
| willcooke | exercise time for me now. bbiab | 11:32 |
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| larsu | willcooke: I'll be on a train this Friday for our 1:1 (going to GUADEC) | 12:47 |
| willcooke | larsu, no worries, we'll catch up soon | 12:51 |
| larsu | cool, thanks | 12:51 |
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| seb128 | willcooke, oh, forgot to reply for the guadec list, but what Laney said ;-) | 13:07 |
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| seb128 | kenvandine, hey, are you going to review the dual sim work from Jonas? | 13:37 |
| kenvandine | seb128, yup | 13:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, great, thanks ;-) | 13:38 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, what happened to the landing from yesterday btw? | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | merge problems then pep8 test failures | 13:39 |
| seb128 | urg | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | i'm going to finish it up this morning | 13:39 |
| seb128 | is anyone working on fixing those? | 13:39 |
| seb128 | k | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | it was building when i left yesterday | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | they got fixed late | 13:39 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, should https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/call_forwarding/+merge/227761 bet set as "work in progress"? CI run and I said that's all you wanted from it | 13:39 |
| kenvandine | it's ready now | 13:40 |
| seb128 | k | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | a review would be great :) | 13:40 |
| seb128 | is Jonas doing one? | 13:40 |
| seb128 | I can have a look as well | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | i haven't asked | 13:40 |
| seb128 | k | 13:40 |
| seb128 | let me look first | 13:40 |
| kenvandine | thx | 13:40 |
| seb128 | if I feel like another review is welcome I can ping him | 13:40 |
| seb128 | kenvandine, when you said 'they got fixed", you are speaking about the pep8 error? where? I didn't see a new mr? | 13:41 |
| seb128 | or is that a new commit on one of those listed? | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | new commit | 13:41 |
| seb128 | k | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | it's all built in the silo now | 13:41 |
| seb128 | nice | 13:41 |
| seb128 | land it! | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | i just need to do a round of testing | 13:41 |
| kenvandine | after my next meeting though :) | 13:41 |
| Laney | glad that pep8 is working now | 13:45 |
| seb128 | yeah | 13:47 |
| Laney | btw I saw some dual sim MP come in and I was suspicious that it seems to duplicate the qml for the single and dual case | 13:50 |
| Laney | I'd think it ought to be possible to handle both in the same file | 13:50 |
| Laney | just in case anyone reviews this | 13:50 |
| asac | seb128: whats our gstreamre source package? | 13:53 |
| asac | e.g. launchpad ubuntu link at best | 13:53 |
| seb128 | asac, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0 | 13:53 |
| asac | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gstreamer1.0 | 13:53 |
| asac | ah good | 13:53 |
| seb128 | why? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | still discussing that sync? | 13:54 |
| seb128 | btw Laney said it's also happening with the old version | 13:54 |
| asac | seb128: not sure ... just got asked how we can e better in coordinating such pieces with stakeholders before dropping them | 13:55 |
| seb128 | k | 13:55 |
| asac | at best it causes confusion and distraction for folks that are knee deep in making gstreamer magic happening for phone | 13:56 |
| asac | if that happens without them knowing | 13:56 |
| seb128 | yeah, that makes sense | 13:56 |
| asac | what are your thoughts? | 13:56 |
| seb128 | I guess we could create a table of packages that need confirmation before being synced, with their owners | 13:56 |
| seb128 | but then we need to owners to be responsive and look at the pending syncs | 13:56 |
| asac | right | 13:56 |
| seb128 | rather than being busy and ignore those | 13:57 |
| asac | so proactive merge/sync work management | 13:57 |
| seb128 | otherwise we stay on outdated unsupported versions | 13:57 |
| Laney | I bet £10,000 that list will be 'everything on the phone' | 13:57 |
| seb128 | and we loose the benefit of being close from Debian | 13:57 |
| seb128 | Laney, and I bet for quite a part of the list there are going to be no active owner | 13:57 |
| seb128 | like if libpng has a an update | 13:57 |
| seb128 | or libzlib | 13:57 |
| seb128 | or libelf | 13:58 |
| asac | i think its an interesting topic for the distro to figure | 13:58 |
| seb128 | what we currently have works fine most of the time | 13:58 |
| seb128 | it's just a bug, we get bugs through silo landings as well | 13:58 |
| seb128 | those happen | 13:58 |
| Laney | looks like it wasn't even a bug | 13:59 |
| seb128 | we have britney also to protect the image | 13:59 |
| Laney | so we're actually discussing something that wasn't even a problem | 13:59 |
| seb128 | if we have tests in place to catch issues... | 13:59 |
| Laney | which seems a bit mad | 13:59 |
| seb128 | right | 13:59 |
| seb128 | but potentially a such sync could create an issue/introduce a new bug | 13:59 |
| Laney | a problem is that this report blinded people who then didn't even look into the problem | 13:59 |
| seb128 | but silo landing as well | 13:59 |
| seb128 | our testing is not perfect | 13:59 |
| seb128 | right | 14:00 |
| Laney | I better go have lunch or else I'll EOD without having eaten :P | 14:00 |
| Laney | been trying to merge -bad 1.4, speaking of gst ... | 14:01 |
| * Laney screams | 14:01 | |
| Laney | I was in the wrong directory when building the source package so it didn't get rebuilt so the build failed again | 14:01 |
| * Laney force afks | 14:01 | |
| seb128 | urg | 14:01 |
| seb128 | enjoy! | 14:01 |
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| willcooke | Come to the Ubuntu On Air engineering update - I'm totally live dudes | 14:20 |
| seb128 | oh, indeed you are there! | 14:25 |
| willcooke | exposing my ignorance in public | 14:26 |
| seb128 | willcooke, xdg-utils is a bunch of scripts to deal with things like "open that file", "inhibit screen locking", which tries to do do the right thing for the desktop env in use | 14:27 |
| willcooke | thx seb128 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | that was a weird question to ask | 14:27 |
| willcooke | kicks mhall119 | 14:27 |
| seb128 | indeed | 14:27 |
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| Laney | willcooke: seems like a bit of a baptism of fire... | 14:49 |
| mvo | willcooke: ubuntu-on-air on day3? woah, what a ride for you :) | 14:50 |
| willcooke | \o/ | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Laney, nobody decided for settings on line length changes | 15:06 |
| seb128 | the document Jussi pointed to seems to be a "unity" one | 15:07 |
| seb128 | e.g trying to be standard accross our projects iirc | 15:07 |
| seb128 | I'm still undecided with the 80 chars, that feels like a too high constrains for modern width screens, though I agree it can be handy in some cases | 15:08 |
| Laney | I guess people don't bother having code side by side any more | 15:09 |
| Laney | whatever | 15:09 |
| seb128 | but even on my laptop screen with qtcreator and a sidebar I can easily go to 110 chars | 15:09 |
| seb128 | side by side is useful for debugging when you do old/new version, but otherwise do you use it? | 15:09 |
| Laney | all the time | 15:09 |
| Laney | listen | 15:09 |
| Laney | if you want to get rid of it then just do it | 15:10 |
| Laney | I just resent being linked to some random document | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | and your screen pnly allows 160 chars ? | 15:10 |
| ogra_ | *only | 15:10 |
| Laney | actually it's 141 | 15:10 |
| seb128 | Laney, I've no strong opinion, I just find that the 80 chars is easy to hit and does make for some extra wrapping which is less comfortable to read sometimes | 15:11 |
| seb128 | but it's not a big deal either | 15:11 |
| ogra_ | Laney, time to drop that 14" VGA monitor ... its 2014 !! | 15:12 |
| seb128 | but yeah, I'm not wanting to change unless those guideline are something documented as being our standards for all projets we work on | 15:12 |
| seb128 | ogra_, it's called a laptop | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | seb128, sure ... but 141 chars ! | 15:12 |
| seb128 | my laptop does 136 chars | 15:13 |
| seb128 | we don't all have hidpi ;-) | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | my laptop does a *lot* more ... do you guys only work on tty consoles ? | 15:13 |
| seb128 | no, it's gedit or qtcreator | 15:13 |
| Laney | vim | 15:13 |
| seb128 | but resolution is not 1900 here | 15:13 |
| seb128 | it's 1300 | 15:13 |
| ogra_ | ah, old HW :) | 15:13 |
| Laney | don't even know what it is, possibly 1280x960 | 15:14 |
| seb128 | not so old, but those resolutions are better for my eyes | 15:14 |
| seb128 | if I were on 1900 I would adapt the font and hit around the same number of chars | 15:14 |
| seb128 | well, anyway, not an useful discussion | 15:15 |
| Laney | anyway I'm aware I'm the only one who cares | 15:15 |
| ogra_ | heh, yeah | 15:15 |
| Laney | so, fine by me if it makes everyone else sad | 15:15 |
| didrocks | seb128: Laney: the recommendations are 120 at most actually, to have the content readable | 15:16 |
| didrocks | intellij set 120 by default, whereas they tweak that value to 100 in Android Studio | 15:17 |
| Laney | kay | 15:17 |
| Laney | I checked what GNOME say and they say up to 120 too | 15:17 |
| didrocks | yeah, seems the standard to have readable content (longer makes it hard to read) | 15:17 |
| Laney | I want a linter to enforce this now >:) | 15:19 |
| Laney | especially if it fails the build | 15:19 |
| * Laney gets excited | 15:19 | |
| didrocks | Laney: it's called pep8 :p | 15:20 |
| didrocks | oh C++, meh ;) | 15:20 |
| Laney | pep8 says 79 btw | 15:20 |
| didrocks | yeah, that's their default | 15:21 |
| didrocks | you can tweak it though | 15:21 |
| Laney | up to 100 | 15:21 |
| didrocks | (as in udtc) | 15:21 |
| didrocks | I'm using 120 for both, but 100 can be a good start :p | 15:21 |
| Laney | pep8 is quite clear | 15:22 |
| didrocks | Laney: https://github.com/didrocks/ubuntu-developer-tools-center/blob/master/.pep8 | 15:22 |
| Laney | indeed you can override it | 15:22 |
| Laney | by pep8 I mean the document | 15:22 |
| didrocks | (I exclude the virtualenv directory, most of the standard python library fails miserably) | 15:23 |
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| seb128 | ok, calling it a day | 16:32 |
| seb128 | Laney, have a nice early w.e, see you in Strasbourg | 16:32 |
| seb128 | good evening desktopers | 16:33 |
| Laney | seb128: cheers, see you there | 16:33 |
| Laney | have a good evening! | 16:33 |
| seb128 | thanks | 16:33 |
| * didrocks goes as well | 16:49 | |
| didrocks | see you in Strasbourg Laney! | 16:49 |
| Laney | bye! | 16:49 |
| Laney | have a good two days | 16:50 |
| didrocks | thanks ;) | 16:50 |
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