[00:20] <Darkwing> Okay... SDDM fails to load. Let's see if Lightdm will work.
[00:35] <Darkwing> Huh. sddm didn't like my system. 
[00:35] <genii> !info sddm utopic
[00:47] <Darkwing> Aaaand Lightdm doesn't load Plasma5 either. *sighs*
[00:56] <Darkwing> Back to trusty
[01:05] <valorie> `sudo kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade` didn't work on my other laptop to try to upgrade to utopic
[01:05] <Darkwing> Hey valorie
[01:05] <valorie> neither did `sudo do-release-upgrade`
[01:05] <valorie> hi Darkwing
[01:06] <valorie> how are ya?
[01:08] <Darkwing> valorie: a bit frustrated at the moment.
[01:08] <valorie> what's going on?
[01:09] <Darkwing> Plasma5 lol
[01:09] <valorie> it's rather incomplete
[01:09] <valorie> to say the least
[01:10] <valorie> but impressively stable, IMO
[01:10] <valorie> I have to say, I've not been able to do much, so I never leave it running long
[01:10] <Darkwing> Yeah
[01:11] <valorie> def. not ready for Prime Time
[01:11] <Darkwing> Yup
[01:11] <valorie> I think we made the right call
[01:12] <valorie> allow easy-ish access, but continue to release the stable version
[01:12] <valorie> impressive work by the kubuntu team to make both happen simultaneously 
[01:14] <Darkwing> Agreed. Lol
[01:14] <Darkwing> The joys of having a state of the art laptop and the pains of having one lol
[01:18] <valorie> having uefi issues, or what?
[01:23] <Darkwing> Mostly HiDPI
[01:25] <valorie> #firstworldproblems!
[01:26] <Darkwing> Yuuup
[01:27] <Darkwing> Plasma5 via Neon in trusty works!
[01:27] <Darkwing> Now to switch my buttons to the left get my workflow back
[01:31] <Darkwing> http://imgur.com/a/BfxmE
[01:43] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I don't even remember the bug?
[01:50] <valorie> hmmm, I never got the pretty wallpaper to work
[01:55] <ScottK> Riddell: Are you already working with Ubuntu Security on getting http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.git&a=commit&h=e4e7b53b71e2659adaf52691d4accc3594203b23 fixed?
[06:09] <soee> good morning
[06:09] <soee> after latest upgrades plasmashell crashes at start :(
[06:15] <soee> ok have it working again after removal of .config dir
[06:15] <soee> now also i have all icons (with some new etc)
[06:41] <soee> gtk apps does not use qtcurve 
[07:25] <apachelogger> yofel: what would you want to do with qtptahs?
[07:25] <yofel> apachelogger: well, for now I made plasma-workspace depend on qttools5-dev-tools again, but is that really as scary as your comment suggests?
[07:27] <apachelogger> Your membership in kubuntu-members is about to expire
[07:27] <apachelogger> talking about a stressful morning
[07:27] <yofel> nooooo
[07:27] <apachelogger> yofel: what is it used for?
[07:28] <yofel> figuring out where the qt bin and plugin paths are
[07:28] <apachelogger> and the dev dep definitely is no option it pulls in the entire graphics dev stack mesa,mir,probably opengl
[07:28] <apachelogger> yofel: yeah, but for what is it used?
[07:29] <yofel> apachelogger: startkde uses it
[07:30] <apachelogger> yofel: needs splitting into own package I'd say
[07:30] <apachelogger> like qdbus
[07:30] <yofel> agreed
[07:37] <soee> any idea why gtk apps do not respect/use qtcurve ?
[07:37] <soee> *plasma5
[07:54] <Riddell> ScottK: mm nope, don't think I've seen that
[07:58] <Riddell> "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay apachelogger still loves us!
[07:58] <yofel> soee: did you set the gtk theme to qtcurve? There was at least a gtk2 one IIRC
[07:59] <soee> yofel: where exactly should i do it ?
[07:59] <yofel> good question.. do we have a qt5 gtk theme kcm?
[08:00] <yofel> soee: try 'kcmshell gtk', maybe that will work
[08:00] <yofel> er, kcmshell4 gtk
[08:03] <soee> kcmshell4 kde-gtk-config
[08:06] <soee> it had oxyget-gtk set by default for gtk2 apps
[08:06] <soee> now when qtcurve is set by default shouldnt this be set to qtcurve also ?
[08:06] <soee> for gtk3 thers no option to set qtcurve
[08:09] <yofel> probably because we have no gtk3 qtcurve theme right now
[08:09] <yofel> and no, qt and gtk need to be set seperately
[08:09] <yofel> if anything we can make a script that updates everything on update
[08:13] <apachelogger> soee: run /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze
[08:13] <apachelogger> if you then don't have gtk use the same theme the app is gtk3 or you are missing the gtk package
[08:13] <soee> apachelogger: just type /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze right ?
[08:14] <apachelogger> yes
[08:17] <soee> apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/24/qtcurvecfg.png
[08:18] <yofel> looks right
[08:19] <soee> ah sorry, i thought there should be gtk3 qtcurve set :) the gtk2 apps works fine now
[08:19] <soee> *work
[08:19] <apachelogger> there is no gtk3 qtcurve at this time
[08:20] <yofel> I see something in a github repo, with a very grumpy gtk3 comment in the readme...
[08:21] <Riddell> qtcurve just moved to kde git by the way
[08:28] <Riddell> tsdgeos: what happened to kactivities in 4.13.90?
[08:30] <apachelogger> it became 5.x
[08:32] <tsdgeos> Riddell: there is no
[08:32] <tsdgeos> it's been announced
[08:32] <tsdgeos> just use 4.12
[08:32] <tsdgeos> Riddell: there is no, right?
[08:32] <tsdgeos> or did i fuckup and packaged it anyway?
[08:34] <soee> http://sessellift.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/its-aliiiiive/ :)
[08:35] <soee> a lot of intertesting improvements in plasma 5.1
[08:35] <soee> personaly waiting for activities switcher :)
[08:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: no it's not there
[08:37] <Riddell> tsdgeos: I must have missed that announcement, thanks
[08:41] <soee> question from g+: Where are the 4.13.3 KDE updates for Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty??﻿
[08:42] <Riddell> soee: none yet, too busy with plasma 5 and 4.14 beta
[08:42] <Riddell> volunteers welcome as ever
[08:43] <soee> ok ill give short answer on that question
[09:04] <valorie> Riddell: you advised using kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade earlier, but I keep getting: command not found
[09:04] <valorie> do-release-upgrade won't work until utopic is actually released
[09:05] <Riddell> valorie: part of ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt ?
[09:05] <Riddell> it's just a one line script to run kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE -d"
[09:05] <Riddell> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/sddm-theme-maui_0.8.99-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/sddm/themes/maui/maui.jpg', which is also in package sddm 0.1.0~git20140624-0ubuntu1
[09:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: something expected? ↑
[09:05] <valorie> I'll try that and leave that laptop working all night
[09:06] <Riddell> I wonder what happens if you release upgrade with neon installed
[09:06] <Riddell> since there's no neon in utopic
[09:06] <Riddell> I guess it'll remove it since it's PPA packages
[09:07] <valorie> probably have to reinstall, yeah
[09:12] <shadeslayer> it disables them IIRC
[09:12] <shadeslayer> on that note, I wonder if neon is co installable with next PPA
[09:12] <shadeslayer> because of SDDM
[09:14] <valorie> thanks, your kdesudo line did the trick
[09:15] <valorie> and I'm installing it in the neon session, so I guess we'll see what it does....
[09:16] <valorie> either it works or it doesn't; I'll see in the morning
[09:16] <valorie> niters
[09:19] <shadeslayer> night
[09:44] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: do I get any kind of notificaition when my new email is available?
[09:45] <soee> ehat is FIFO ? :)
[09:45] <soee> when system is booting i see 2 lines with some messages and one contains FIFO
[09:54] <Riddell> a queue of any sort
[10:06] <soee> come kind of quiz ? find out what is behind box 1 2 or 3 ? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/24/wallpapers.png :)
[10:08] <soee> it is impossible to switch PRIME profiel from NVIDIA to  INTEL, thai should be reported against nvidia-prime ?
[10:20] <soee> looks like the images thumbs arent cached
[10:20] <soee> and generated each time we browse images
[10:42] <kubotu> feed branches had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/\
[10:52] <shadeslayer> Riddell:comes out to about 22 USD a month
[10:53] <shadeslayer> sent you a email
[10:53] <shadeslayer> if we remove the cloud storage, it's 20 USD :D
[10:55] <shadeslayer> about the same price as our current instance
[10:57] <Riddell> shrug, so no advantage?
[10:57] <shadeslayer> well, faster disk
[10:59] <soee> what are the specs of your current cloud storage ?
[11:00] <Riddell> we don't use cloud currently
[11:00] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[11:00] <Riddell> it's the hosteurope server he's talking about
[11:12] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: no
[11:12] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: just try to send yourself a mail via the alias :P
[11:13] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: apparently the council neglected to mention that you might want to change your launchpad id ....
[11:13] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin: ovidiub13@ubuntu.com is good?
[11:13] <apachelogger> if not you want to change your launchpad id and wait another <=48hours ;)
[11:14] <apachelogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Changing_your_Launchpad_name
[11:26] <ScottK> Riddell: I think we need that fixed.
[11:32] <soee> system settings window freezez when trying to open desktop effects section
[11:38] <apachelogger> gdb -p `pidof systemsettings`
[11:40] <soee> after few minutes i had a windows askig to cloase program or wait, i have closed it
[11:41] <soee> and now i when i try again i can open desktop effects oO
[11:42] <kubotu> feed branches had 7 updates, showing the latest 6
[11:43] <Riddell> ScottK: slap it on trello then so we don't forget
[11:48] <soee> hmm  activiteis arent listed in window/program properties
[11:50] <ScottK> Riddell: All trello'ed up.
[12:09] <soee> apachelogger: this command gdb -p `pidof systemsettings` should help in case of this problem again ?
[12:13] <apachelogger> no
[12:13] <apachelogger> it allows you to backtrace and repot a bug
[12:14] <apachelogger> https://community.kde.org/Amarok/Development/DebuggingHowTo#Debugging_Hangs
[12:44] <apachelogger> going to promote usb-creator and software-properties now, both appear to be rather functional
[12:46] <apachelogger> also I decided not to run the cpp apps through recipes since we mostly are tied into the releases anyway so we'll not get overriden by a new version without us being aware
[12:48] <apachelogger> also promoting debconf
[12:48] <apachelogger> yofel: what's with your workspace in staging?
[13:25] <Riddell> apachelogger: promote where?
[13:33] <apachelogger> next
[13:43] <shadeslayer> voila
[13:43] <Riddell> asi
[13:43] <shadeslayer> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407241229.iso
[13:43] <shadeslayer> amd64 ISO's
[13:44] <Riddell> ¡así!
[13:44] <apachelogger> ScottK: you should make more people admin on the board
[13:45] <apachelogger> https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello
[13:45] <Riddell> does it need a separate board?
[13:49] <Riddell> "Traffic incl. unbegrenzt"
[13:49] <kdeuser56> yofel: hi, do you know a command that helps me to detect if I run on Ubuntu or Kubuntu?
[13:49] <Riddell> apachelogger: that mean unlimited bandwidth?
[13:49] <Riddell> that's from the hosteurope admin page
[13:50] <kdeuser56> lsb_release does not state anything about Kubuntu ... only says Ubuntu
[13:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: yes
[13:51] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: you cannot
[13:51] <Riddell> kubuntu is just a selection of packages from ubuntu, there is no difference
[13:52] <apachelogger> you could check if kubuntu-settings-desktop is installed, which is a good indicator, but you can just as well have that package installed on an ubuntu desktop installation
[13:52] <Riddell> ubuntu unity is another selection of packages, they just like to take the default name
[13:52] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: how does the kcmmodule do it then (About System)? is that hardcoded?
[13:52] <apachelogger> that being said, you can detect the desktop you run in and then brand accordingly
[13:52] <apachelogger> kdeuser56: hardcoded in kubuntu-settings
[13:53] <apachelogger> i.e. kubuntu-settings will force it to brand as kubuntu
[13:53] <apachelogger> without that package it will also say Ubuntu in the about system kcm
[14:01] <kdeuser56> apachelogger: thanks
[14:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: casper scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin
[15:06] <yofel> apachelogger: that's workspace with qttools added again for now, should be in next too so feel free to remove it
[15:08] <apachelogger> yofel: dangerous, I always almost delete the ppa :P
[15:08] <yofel> heck, I wrote klearppa for mass deleting packages. Go and use that
[15:09] <yofel> usability patches welcome :P
[15:15] <apachelogger> but I don't want mass delete
[15:15] <apachelogger> I want selective delete
[15:16] <yofel> it asks you y/n for every package by default
[15:17] <apachelogger> I don't want to say y/n for every package either :P
[15:17] <apachelogger> I want to say delete foo and delete bar
[15:17] <apachelogger> :P
[15:18] <yofel> as I said, usability improvements welcome :P
[15:18] <Riddell> http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/ munich sprint now public!
[15:18] <Riddell> seems they're having some politics with the local provost 
[15:22] <apachelogger> there's yet another list where I have to put my name
[15:22] <apachelogger> jebus
[15:30] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you recommend autostarting polkit kde
[15:31] <shadeslayer> like, hooks on the ISO?
[15:31] <shadeslayer> package links?
[15:43] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:46] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: poke poke
[15:47] <apachelogger> did I not say that yesterday?
[15:47] <apachelogger> the relevant packages should be fixed to install to etc/xdg/autostart
[15:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:48] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: *install* ?
[15:48] <shadeslayer> or link?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> ah nbm
[16:44] <kubotu> feed branches had 13 updates, showing the latest 6
[18:07] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:15] <soee> System Settings -> Applications -> Paths ; it is impossible to change /home/soee/Desktop to /home/soee/Pulpit or other name
[19:15] <soee> other paths i can modify withput eny problem
[21:45] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[22:18] <valorie> hmm, upgrade to utopic failed on the other laptop because packages couldn't be downloaded
[22:18] <soee> :)
[22:18] <valorie> didn't we fix it so wireless continues to work during an upgrade?
[22:19] <Riddell> you think network-manager stopped?
[22:19] <valorie> it was working away when I went to bed
[22:19] <Riddell> oh but you are on plasma 5, I wonder if that affects it
[22:19] <valorie> that was the message when I woke up the screen
[22:19] <Riddell> it'll remove plasma-nm from the ppa I expect
[22:19] <valorie> I restarted the process, so I'll see now
[22:20] <valorie> ah
[22:20] <genii> Was having constant hash mismatch today on the ddebs repo, disabled it for now (14.10).
[22:20] <valorie> I guess I better get the wire out then
[22:22] <Riddell> sorry for the hassle valorie, thanks for being a guinea pig
[22:22] <valorie> not a problem
[22:22] <valorie> that's precisely why I'm doing it
[22:22] <valorie> shame to let a decent laptop sit idle!
[22:24] <valorie> it is reporting getting files, so perhaps it was just a glitch last night
[22:24] <soee> 4.13.90 = beta3 ?
[22:45] <kubotu> feed branches had 21 updates, showing the latest 6
[22:59] <valorie> upgrade succeeding so far, no glitches
[22:59] <valorie> still from the neon session
[22:59] <valorie> :-)
[23:25] <valorie> omg running utopic on the other laptop
[23:25] <valorie> now installing neon to take it over completely
[23:25] <valorie> excitment!
[23:37] <valorie> rebooting....
[23:39] <valorie> everything looks excellent