[00:20] Okay... SDDM fails to load. Let's see if Lightdm will work. [00:35] Huh. sddm didn't like my system. [00:35] !info sddm utopic [00:35] Package sddm does not exist in utopic [00:47] Aaaand Lightdm doesn't load Plasma5 either. *sighs* [00:56] Back to trusty [01:05] `sudo kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade` didn't work on my other laptop to try to upgrade to utopic [01:05] Hey valorie [01:05] neither did `sudo do-release-upgrade` [01:05] hi Darkwing [01:06] how are ya? [01:08] valorie: a bit frustrated at the moment. [01:08] what's going on? [01:09] Plasma5 lol [01:09] it's rather incomplete [01:09] to say the least [01:10] but impressively stable, IMO [01:10] I have to say, I've not been able to do much, so I never leave it running long [01:10] Yeah [01:11] def. not ready for Prime Time [01:11] Yup [01:11] I think we made the right call [01:12] allow easy-ish access, but continue to release the stable version [01:12] impressive work by the kubuntu team to make both happen simultaneously [01:14] Agreed. Lol [01:14] The joys of having a state of the art laptop and the pains of having one lol [01:18] having uefi issues, or what? [01:23] Mostly HiDPI [01:25] #firstworldproblems! [01:26] Yuuup [01:27] Plasma5 via Neon in trusty works! [01:27] Now to switch my buttons to the left get my workflow back [01:31] http://imgur.com/a/BfxmE [01:43] shadeslayer: I don't even remember the bug? [01:50] hmmm, I never got the pretty wallpaper to work [01:55] Riddell: Are you already working with Ubuntu Security on getting http://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kdelibs.git&a=commit&h=e4e7b53b71e2659adaf52691d4accc3594203b23 fixed? === jackyalcine is now known as jalcine [06:09] good morning [06:09] after latest upgrades plasmashell crashes at start :( [06:15] ok have it working again after removal of .config dir [06:15] now also i have all icons (with some new etc) [06:41] gtk apps does not use qtcurve [07:25] yofel: what would you want to do with qtptahs? [07:25] apachelogger: well, for now I made plasma-workspace depend on qttools5-dev-tools again, but is that really as scary as your comment suggests? [07:27] Your membership in kubuntu-members is about to expire [07:27] talking about a stressful morning [07:27] nooooo [07:27] yofel: what is it used for? [07:28] figuring out where the qt bin and plugin paths are [07:28] and the dev dep definitely is no option it pulls in the entire graphics dev stack mesa,mir,probably opengl [07:28] yofel: yeah, but for what is it used? [07:29] apachelogger: startkde uses it [07:30] yofel: needs splitting into own package I'd say [07:30] like qdbus [07:30] agreed [07:37] any idea why gtk apps do not respect/use qtcurve ? [07:37] *plasma5 [07:54] ScottK: mm nope, don't think I've seen that [07:58] "Harald Sitter (apachelogger) renewed their own membership in the Kubuntu Members" yay apachelogger still loves us! [07:58] soee: did you set the gtk theme to qtcurve? There was at least a gtk2 one IIRC [07:59] yofel: where exactly should i do it ? [07:59] good question.. do we have a qt5 gtk theme kcm? [08:00] soee: try 'kcmshell gtk', maybe that will work [08:00] er, kcmshell4 gtk [08:03] kcmshell4 kde-gtk-config [08:06] it had oxyget-gtk set by default for gtk2 apps [08:06] now when qtcurve is set by default shouldnt this be set to qtcurve also ? [08:06] for gtk3 thers no option to set qtcurve [08:09] probably because we have no gtk3 qtcurve theme right now [08:09] and no, qt and gtk need to be set seperately [08:09] if anything we can make a script that updates everything on update [08:13] soee: run /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze [08:13] if you then don't have gtk use the same theme the app is gtk3 or you are missing the gtk package [08:13] apachelogger: just type /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/kconf_update_bin/kde4breeze right ? [08:14] yes [08:17] apachelogger: http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/24/qtcurvecfg.png [08:18] looks right [08:19] ah sorry, i thought there should be gtk3 qtcurve set :) the gtk2 apps works fine now [08:19] *work [08:19] there is no gtk3 qtcurve at this time [08:20] I see something in a github repo, with a very grumpy gtk3 comment in the readme... [08:21] qtcurve just moved to kde git by the way [08:28] tsdgeos: what happened to kactivities in 4.13.90? [08:30] it became 5.x [08:32] Riddell: there is no [08:32] it's been announced [08:32] just use 4.12 [08:32] Riddell: there is no, right? [08:32] or did i fuckup and packaged it anyway? [08:34] http://sessellift.wordpress.com/2014/07/23/its-aliiiiive/ :) [08:35] a lot of intertesting improvements in plasma 5.1 [08:35] personaly waiting for activities switcher :) [08:37] tsdgeos: no it's not there [08:37] tsdgeos: I must have missed that announcement, thanks [08:41] question from g+: Where are the 4.13.3 KDE updates for Kubuntu 14.04 Trusty?? [08:42] soee: none yet, too busy with plasma 5 and 4.14 beta [08:42] volunteers welcome as ever [08:43] ok ill give short answer on that question [09:04] Riddell: you advised using kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade earlier, but I keep getting: command not found [09:04] do-release-upgrade won't work until utopic is actually released [09:05] valorie: part of ubuntu-release-upgrader-qt ? [09:05] it's just a one line script to run kdesudo "do-release-upgrade -m desktop -f DistUpgradeViewKDE -d" [09:05] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/sddm-theme-maui_0.8.99-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa4_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite '/usr/share/sddm/themes/maui/maui.jpg', which is also in package sddm 0.1.0~git20140624-0ubuntu1 [09:05] shadeslayer: something expected? ↑ [09:05] I'll try that and leave that laptop working all night [09:06] I wonder what happens if you release upgrade with neon installed [09:06] since there's no neon in utopic [09:06] I guess it'll remove it since it's PPA packages [09:07] probably have to reinstall, yeah [09:12] it disables them IIRC [09:12] on that note, I wonder if neon is co installable with next PPA [09:12] because of SDDM [09:14] thanks, your kdesudo line did the trick [09:15] and I'm installing it in the neon session, so I guess we'll see what it does.... [09:16] either it works or it doesn't; I'll see in the morning [09:16] niters [09:19] night [09:44] apachelogger: do I get any kind of notificaition when my new email is available? [09:45] ehat is FIFO ? :) [09:45] when system is booting i see 2 lines with some messages and one contains FIFO [09:54] a queue of any sort [10:06] come kind of quiz ? find out what is behind box 1 2 or 3 ? http://wstaw.org/m/2014/07/24/wallpapers.png :) [10:08] it is impossible to switch PRIME profiel from NVIDIA to INTEL, thai should be reported against nvidia-prime ? [10:20] looks like the images thumbs arent cached [10:20] and generated each time we browse images [10:42] feed branches had 7 updates, showing the latest 6 [10:52] Riddell: https://cloud.google.com/products/calculator/\ [10:52] Riddell:comes out to about 22 USD a month [10:53] sent you a email [10:53] if we remove the cloud storage, it's 20 USD :D [10:55] about the same price as our current instance [10:57] shrug, so no advantage? [10:57] well, faster disk [10:59] what are the specs of your current cloud storage ? [11:00] we don't use cloud currently [11:00] 'Morning folks [11:00] it's the hosteurope server he's talking about [11:12] ovidiu-florin: no [11:12] ovidiu-florin: just try to send yourself a mail via the alias :P [11:13] ovidiu-florin: apparently the council neglected to mention that you might want to change your launchpad id .... [11:13] ovidiu-florin: ovidiub13@ubuntu.com is good? [11:13] if not you want to change your launchpad id and wait another <=48hours ;) [11:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail#Changing_your_Launchpad_name [11:26] Riddell: I think we need that fixed. [11:32] system settings window freezez when trying to open desktop effects section [11:38] gdb -p `pidof systemsettings` [11:40] after few minutes i had a windows askig to cloase program or wait, i have closed it [11:41] and now i when i try again i can open desktop effects oO [11:42] feed branches had 7 updates, showing the latest 6 [11:43] ScottK: slap it on trello then so we don't forget [11:48] hmm activiteis arent listed in window/program properties [11:50] Riddell: All trello'ed up. [12:09] apachelogger: this command gdb -p `pidof systemsettings` should help in case of this problem again ? [12:13] no [12:13] it allows you to backtrace and repot a bug [12:14] https://community.kde.org/Amarok/Development/DebuggingHowTo#Debugging_Hangs [12:44] going to promote usb-creator and software-properties now, both appear to be rather functional [12:46] also I decided not to run the cpp apps through recipes since we mostly are tied into the releases anyway so we'll not get overriden by a new version without us being aware [12:48] also promoting debconf [12:48] yofel: what's with your workspace in staging? [13:25] apachelogger: promote where? [13:33] next [13:43] voila [13:43] asi [13:43] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407241229.iso [13:43] amd64 ISO's [13:44] ¡así! [13:44] ScottK: you should make more people admin on the board [13:45] https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Trello [13:45] does it need a separate board? [13:49] "Traffic incl. unbegrenzt" [13:49] yofel: hi, do you know a command that helps me to detect if I run on Ubuntu or Kubuntu? [13:49] apachelogger: that mean unlimited bandwidth? [13:49] that's from the hosteurope admin page [13:50] lsb_release does not state anything about Kubuntu ... only says Ubuntu [13:51] Riddell: yes [13:51] kdeuser56: you cannot [13:51] kubuntu is just a selection of packages from ubuntu, there is no difference [13:52] you could check if kubuntu-settings-desktop is installed, which is a good indicator, but you can just as well have that package installed on an ubuntu desktop installation [13:52] ubuntu unity is another selection of packages, they just like to take the default name [13:52] apachelogger: how does the kcmmodule do it then (About System)? is that hardcoded? [13:52] that being said, you can detect the desktop you run in and then brand accordingly [13:52] kdeuser56: hardcoded in kubuntu-settings [13:53] i.e. kubuntu-settings will force it to brand as kubuntu [13:53] without that package it will also say Ubuntu in the about system kcm [14:01] apachelogger: thanks [14:56] shadeslayer: casper scripts/casper-bottom/15autologin [15:06] apachelogger: that's workspace with qttools added again for now, should be in next too so feel free to remove it [15:08] yofel: dangerous, I always almost delete the ppa :P [15:08] heck, I wrote klearppa for mass deleting packages. Go and use that [15:09] usability patches welcome :P [15:15] but I don't want mass delete [15:15] I want selective delete [15:16] it asks you y/n for every package by default [15:17] I don't want to say y/n for every package either :P [15:17] I want to say delete foo and delete bar [15:17] :P [15:18] as I said, usability improvements welcome :P [15:18] http://www.it-muenchen-blog.de/2014/07/bug-squashing-party-2014/ munich sprint now public! [15:18] seems they're having some politics with the local provost [15:22] there's yet another list where I have to put my name [15:22] jebus [15:30] apachelogger: how do you recommend autostarting polkit kde [15:31] like, hooks on the ISO? [15:31] package links? [15:43] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [15:46] apachelogger: poke poke [15:47] did I not say that yesterday? [15:47] the relevant packages should be fixed to install to etc/xdg/autostart [15:47] ok [15:48] apachelogger: *install* ? [15:48] or link? [15:50] ah nbm [16:44] feed branches had 13 updates, showing the latest 6 === ximion is now known as ximion-afk [18:07] Good evening. [19:15] System Settings -> Applications -> Paths ; it is impossible to change /home/soee/Desktop to /home/soee/Pulpit or other name === alket_ is now known as alket [19:15] other paths i can modify withput eny problem === ximion-afk is now known as ximion === soee_ is now known as soee [21:45] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [22:18] hmm, upgrade to utopic failed on the other laptop because packages couldn't be downloaded [22:18] :) [22:18] didn't we fix it so wireless continues to work during an upgrade? [22:19] you think network-manager stopped? [22:19] it was working away when I went to bed [22:19] oh but you are on plasma 5, I wonder if that affects it [22:19] that was the message when I woke up the screen [22:19] it'll remove plasma-nm from the ppa I expect [22:19] I restarted the process, so I'll see now [22:20] ah [22:20] Was having constant hash mismatch today on the ddebs repo, disabled it for now (14.10). [22:20] I guess I better get the wire out then [22:22] sorry for the hassle valorie, thanks for being a guinea pig [22:22] not a problem [22:22] that's precisely why I'm doing it [22:22] shame to let a decent laptop sit idle! [22:24] it is reporting getting files, so perhaps it was just a glitch last night [22:24] 4.13.90 = beta3 ? [22:45] feed branches had 21 updates, showing the latest 6 [22:59] upgrade succeeding so far, no glitches [22:59] still from the neon session [22:59] :-) [23:25] omg running utopic on the other laptop [23:25] now installing neon to take it over completely [23:25] excitment! [23:37] rebooting.... [23:39] everything looks excellent