/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/25/#kubuntu-devel.txt

ScottKRiddell: It didn't fit with anything else because it's not just 14.04/14.10 (the kdelibs thing)01:05
ScottKapachelogger: Admin'ed ALL the people.01:08
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I will rename my launchpad to ovidiu-florin, if I'm allowed to have an - in there06:42
ovidiu-florinif not, I'll stick to this one06:42
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I'll get back to you on this one06:45
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I've renamed to ovidiu-florin06:51
ovidiu-florinapachelogger: I thought it was going to ne @kubuntu.org not @ubuntu.com06:51
tsimpsonyou should get both, kubuntu members get @kubuntu.org and ubuntu members get @ubuntu.com06:59
tsimpsonand all kubuntu members are also ubuntu members06:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: if you link into two autostart dirs you either cause pointless work, race conditional bogus behavior or actually start the software twice...07:22
apacheloggerif you change a quilt package to a native package lintian will have a stroke when you run it on the package08:47
apacheloggerI think a little lintian gnome just jumped off a cliff somewhere08:48
Riddelllubuntu using dolphin? http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/box-for-qt.html08:52
Riddellah no they're just testing their Box widget theme with qt508:54
apacheloggeruploading a preliminary qapt3 to stage08:57
Riddellyay09:24
Riddell#09:28
Riddell"spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" why does spotify not work on a plasma5 image install?09:28
Riddellthat library doesn't even exist09:28
apacheloggerwhich is probably why it fails :P09:30
apacheloggerutopic has udev1 I think09:31
soeegood morning09:34
Riddellwaa!09:38
Riddellno spotify? having to live with the web client? waa09:39
apachelogger#thatiswhatyougetforusingproprietarysoftware09:39
Riddellyeah yeah, there was me trying to lose my religion and now you give it straight back09:40
soeeRiddell: spotify does not work on Utopic or what do you mean by plasam5 image install ?09:44
Riddellsoee: yes utopic09:46
davmor2Riddell: because spotify hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)09:46
soeeRiddell: spotify works for me09:46
Riddellsoee: you just said it didn't work on utopic09:47
Riddellmore importantly why does firefox not refresh graphics when I switch to it09:48
soeeRiddell: i asked if it does not work for you  :)09:48
apacheloggerI suppose one could try linking udev1 to udev0 and see if spotify gets a symbol error :P09:49
Riddelloh weird09:50
RiddellI had the i386 version installed09:50
Riddellbut there is also an amd64 version09:50
Riddellwhat the heck made it install i386?09:51
Riddelland now utopic chroots are broken for builds09:53
apacheloggermuch lovely09:54
apacheloggernew usb-creator works flawlessly \o/10:00
apacheloggerboot loader creation not so much though -.-10:01
Riddellooh nice10:06
Riddellapart from it not working10:06
Riddellso what shall I do today? 4.14 beta 3? 4.13.3? or more plasma 5 foo?  I guess not much poking of packages possible until buildds get fixed10:08
apacheloggerRiddell: ppas work interestingly enough10:13
apacheloggerplasma failed at :46, I uploaded qapt at :54, qapt finished fine apparently10:14
apacheloggerRiddell: 10:18
apacheloggerdpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel_5.0.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):10:18
apachelogger trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/runnermodel/qmldir', which is also in package libkf5runner-bin 5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa510:19
Riddelloh did I forget a replaces/breaks?10:21
Riddellyofel: there's no branches for 4.13 backports in 14.04lts yet are there?10:21
apacheloggerRiddell: apparently10:22
yofelbackports, you mean updates? no10:22
* apachelogger notes that qapt has worker issues now -.-10:22
apacheloggerCouldn't register service "Connection ":1.67" is not allowed to own the service "org.kubuntu.qaptworker2" due to security policies in the configuration file"10:23
apacheloggerwtf10:23
Riddellyofel: right updates10:23
apacheloggerone can still link against the wrong polkit10:28
apacheloggerffs10:28
soeeRiddell: +1 for 4.14 beta 3 :)10:29
soeethough i think 4.13.3 is very important for a lot of users10:30
apacheloggerRiddell: we have no polkitqt5 packaged? Oo10:35
Riddellapachelogger: it doesn't exist10:36
Riddellit has about 3 ports none of which are official or released10:36
* Riddell publishes http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04.110:36
Riddellapachelogger: and consequently kauth is all broken10:36
apacheloggerRiddell: in git I see one tag10:38
apacheloggerwhich makes it rather official10:38
apacheloggernot that I could actually find a tarball or announcement10:41
* apachelogger sighs10:41
soee#kubuntu [12:34] <jbgood> Is there a timeline when the LTS upgrade in Muon will be offered?10:41
soeehow does the upgrade worgs through muon ?10:41
soeeis it released already for upgrades ?10:41
apacheloggermgraesslin: are my configs busted or do apps not get focused when started in 5.0?10:42
apacheloggersoee: when .1 is released10:42
Riddellapachelogger: that was yesteday10:42
apacheloggermgraesslin: e.g. I am in konsole hit ctrl-esc to start ksysguard, except it gets no focus10:43
Riddellit needs http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts to be updatd10:43
apacheloggerRiddell: better poke infinity then? :P10:43
mgraesslinapachelogger: I just started kwrite through krunner and it got focus10:43
Riddellapachelogger: soee: looks like he's waiting until the chroot foo is settled10:43
mgraesslinapachelogger: not sure whether triggering by shortcut does set the right timestamp10:43
mgraesslinso focus stealing prevention might kick in10:44
apacheloggerfun10:44
apacheloggermgraesslin: do you want a bug report for that? and if so against which product10:44
Riddellapachelogger, soee: oh no there's an upgrade crasher bug that server have found so waiting for that to be resolved10:44
mgraesslinapachelogger: no, as that first needs investigation which product is at fault here10:45
mgraesslinapachelogger: in 9 out of 10 cases it's the app10:45
mgraesslinno that's wrong: in 11 out of 1010:45
apacheloggerlol10:46
mgraesslinwe had exactly one bug concerning focus handling introduced during 5 porting - but it's fixed a long time10:46
mgraesslinand that was probably the first bug in that area since I'm working on KWin10:46
apacheloggermgraesslin: there must be something else10:47
apacheloggermgraesslin: if I start a gui from konsole it also doesn't get focus10:47
apacheloggerit's not all though10:48
apacheloggervery suspicious10:48
apacheloggermgraesslin: I'll investigate a bit more10:48
mgraesslintest with Qt4 vs Qt510:48
apacheloggerprobably not that10:49
mgraesslinwell just started a Qt4 app from konsole and it got focus10:49
apacheloggerkonsole(4) -> systemsettings(5) gets focus .... -> ksysguard(5) gets no focus ... -> dolphin(4) gets focus10:49
apacheloggermgraesslin: it's not all of them, it's somewhat random10:49
mgraesslinoh I'm sure it's not random10:50
apacheloggermhh, when I run one of our apps through sudo it also doesn't get focus10:50
apacheloggermgraesslin: well, not completely random it just doesn't affect all apps ^^10:50
mgraesslinit's either something like no longer using kdelibs410:50
apacheloggerso far I see it only affecting qt5 apps though10:50
apacheloggernope10:51
apacheloggermgraesslin: I am running a pyqt5 app and it also doesn't get focus10:51
mgraesslinwell that's also using the qt5 xcb plugin10:52
Riddellyofel: hmm I'm not convinced we have a nice automated way to do this10:52
Riddellmaking the branches I think I need to get the current ones and work out how to branch them before any utopic work10:52
yofelwhy would you branch anything?10:52
apacheloggermgraesslin: another pyqt5 app gets focus ^^10:52
mgraesslinapachelogger: *shrug* - figure out the difference10:53
Riddellyofel: where would I get the packaging from?10:54
yofelRiddell: what exactly are you trying to do? I'm a bit confused10:54
Riddellyofel: package 4.13.310:54
yofelfor trusty? use the script? That pulls the packages from trusty-updates10:55
yofelI tried making SRU branches for saucy, too much of a hassle really10:55
Riddellyofel: which script?10:56
yofelkubuntu-initial-upload?10:56
yofel--sru10:56
mgraesslinapachelogger: what you can also try is check how kwin4 behaves - if kwin4 shows same behavior it's the apps to blema10:56
mgraesslinnice typo :-)10:56
Riddellyofel: that uses pull-ppa-source ?10:57
yofelthat uses pull-lp-source IIRC10:57
yofeli.e. the previous SRU has to be done before you can use it10:57
yofelit does pull from trusty-proposed too though10:58
Riddelloh it uses pull-lp-source10:58
apacheloggermgraesslin: can  not replicate with kwin411:01
yofelyou'll have to keep an eye to it as --sru is interactive, it'll ask you Y/n if it finds some diff in a file that's not whitelisted (e.g. a cmake fix or so)11:01
mgraesslinapachelogger: ok, so it might be a kwin5 problem11:01
apacheloggerlet's see if a new user has this behavior as well though11:02
Riddellpull-lp-source: Error: Unable to retrieve package information from DDE: http://dde.debian.net/dde/q/udd/dist/d:ubuntu/r:trusty/p:amor/?t=json (<urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known11:02
RiddellI wonder if that's something I should care about11:02
yofelI don't *think* so... you will get failure messages because the package won't be in -proposed, it then retries in -updates/release11:04
Riddellgrr, gpg-agent doesn't run in this plasma 5 install11:05
RiddellI wonder what I'm missing, that stuff is spooky voodoo11:05
yofelgpg-agent doesn't start here anymore either, and this is kde4. If you figure out what your issue is please tell me11:05
apacheloggermgraesslin: also happens with new user FWIW11:05
mgraesslinok11:06
apacheloggerRiddell: does breeze-cursor have no debian alaternative integration? Oo11:06
Riddellapachelogger: probably not11:07
Riddellyofel: gpg-agent --daemon seems to be the manual fix11:07
Riddellhmm seems to be updating from 4.13.0 rather than 4.13.111:10
yofelit'll update from whatever is in trusty, which is a mix of .0, .1 and .211:11
apacheloggermgraesslin: minimal pyqt5 example http://paste.ubuntu.com/7854824/ which fails to get focus11:12
mgraesslinapachelogger: I'm not sure whether that should get focus at all11:12
mgraesslinI would need to investigate how the focus stealing prevention works11:12
mgraesslinand how much KApplication played a part in it11:13
mgraesslinwhich won't happen before my vacations :-P11:13
Riddellyofel: ah I see11:13
apacheloggermgraesslin: all I can say is that it is highly annoying11:13
mgraesslinapachelogger: feel free to report a bug and remind me when I'm back from vacations11:13
apacheloggeri.e. I almost exclusively start things from a terminal and my taskbar is crowded like there's free stuff ;)11:13
apacheloggerso very annoying to have to find the task in the bar and activate it ^^11:14
apacheloggermgraesslin: ok will do, thanks11:14
apacheloggerRiddell: are you going to look into polkit?11:51
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer, yofel: should I make our packages coinstallable with 4.x?11:52
apacheloggerotherwise one can switch to plasma5 but if one then wants to switch back to 4.x the kcms for example won't be there because the new package has a greater version11:53
apacheloggerohohoho12:03
soeei see some packages with version 4.13.90 in updates12:03
soeethis is part of 4.14 beta ?12:03
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/112818337850093230691/posts/CLXoVfKVumy shouldn't we force sni-qt into systems somehow?12:06
apacheloggerI guess dep via plasma-desktop12:06
mhall119shadeslayer: ping12:07
apacheloggermhall119: everyone is out for lunch right now12:11
mhall119oh, is it that dev sprint this week?12:14
apacheloggermhall119: no, just a coincidence, although Riddell and shadeslayer work out of the same office so they usually disappear around the same time for lunch ^^12:16
apacheloggeragateau: ping, did the systray sni stuff in qt get backported to 5.3?12:16
agateauapachelogger: forward ported, you mean? :)12:17
apacheloggersomewhere ported12:17
agateauapachelogger: I don't know, I haven't touched it myself12:17
apacheloggerIIRC it was in master a while ago already but inclusion into stable was not clear12:17
apacheloggerhttps://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b812:18
apacheloggergood thing martin disappeared again xD12:18
soeehttp://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-linux-desktop-kdes-plasma-1.html12:22
soeelates updates -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855346/12:24
apacheloggerRiddell, Mirv: I think we need to patchy patch https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8 into 5.3 to prevent qt apps from having no systray in plasma512:27
Riddellapachelogger: polkit scares me12:36
Riddellapachelogger: make what packages coinstallable?12:37
sgclarkmorning12:37
Riddellsgclark!12:37
Riddellyou're back!12:37
RiddellI missed you12:37
sgclarkawww :) yeah OSCON is done.12:38
Riddellapachelogger: patch for systray would be good12:38
Riddellsgclark: any kde love there?12:38
sgclarkThat was interesting haha.12:38
sgclarkRiddell: nope :( except what I snuck in12:38
sgclarkPositive response from folks I talked to though12:39
Riddellnext year you'll know all about how to do a KDE and Kubuntu stall :)12:40
sgclarkRiddell: I had this brilliant idea to upgrade my laptop last night. But I should be ready for tasks shortly.12:40
sgclarkRiddell: hehe yep :)12:41
sgclarkPlasma 5 is running like a dream on this old cheapo pc btw12:43
Riddellyay12:43
sgclarkok, laptop rebooted and it has not exploded, if there is anything you need me to do let me know12:46
Riddellshadeslayer: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179698729/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kitemmodels_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz12:47
Riddellsgclark: I guess you can crack on with the 4.13.95 beta 212:48
Riddellhttp://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.14-beta2.php12:49
sgclarkRiddell: crack on, as in needs initial upload or ?12:49
Riddellyeah initial upload12:49
sgclarkwoot! ok on it :)12:49
sgclarkninjas private again?12:49
Riddellyeah12:50
sgclarkk12:50
RiddellI've updated your key on docs server so you should be able to ssh sgclark@qa.kubuntu.co.uk  to update the cron 12:50
sgclarkwonderful ty12:51
apacheloggerRiddell: coinstallability: about-distro kcm, whoopsie kcm, notificationhelper kded and kcm (that one is actually a bit fishy because you can have kded4 and 5 running at the same time :S)12:54
shadeslayerRiddell: xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start12:57
shadeslayernothing I can do, just retry the build12:57
mitya57shadeslayer: passing -a (--auto-servernum) to xvfb-run should help12:59
shadeslayerhm13:00
shadeslayerwill try13:00
BluesKaj'Morning folks13:02
Riddellapachelogger: since plasma 5 isn't co-installable I don't think the kcms need to be13:02
Riddellyofel: I'm a bit confused by the if significantChanges bit in sru update, surly if it has changes we want them, that's the point of an update13:05
Riddellalthough I suppose adding british english translations to oxygen-icons isn't necessarily worth the 250MB update13:07
apacheloggerRiddell: it's not the same thing though13:07
Riddellapachelogger: why not?13:08
Riddellapachelogger: kcms are typically co-installable anyway, the files install to different locations13:08
apacheloggerif you install kubuntu-desktop-next and then downgrade by installing kubuntu-desktop you (should) get the core kcms from kde-workspace(4) back13:08
apacheloggeryou wouldn't get our kcms back because they have been version overriden13:09
apacheloggerand since kcms cannot be crossloaded the only way to get them back is through forcefully downgrading the relevant packages or doing a ppa-purge13:09
Riddellwe don't support downgrades13:09
apacheloggerfair enough13:09
apacheloggerRiddell: I hope upstream is ok with us not support that :P13:09
Riddellthis upstream is13:10
apacheloggeractually, with a ppa-purge this actually might be very supportable13:12
apacheloggereverything would get downgraded by a purge anyway13:12
Riddellwhere to upload 4.13.3 ?13:16
Riddellkubuntu-ppa/staging -> kubuntu-ppa/ppa seems to be the way13:17
apacheloggeryus13:22
apacheloggerRiddell: clear staging first though13:22
apacheloggerpeople always live crap lingering about :P13:22
apacheloggers/live/leave13:23
shadeslayerFYI Kubuntu 5 ISO up at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/13:34
=== shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | Congrats to our newest kubuntu-member: ovidiu-florin | Kubuntu 5 Test ISO's http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync
shadeslayerapachelogger: Riddell think we should announce these?13:35
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1.dsc revuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu plz13:36
shadeslayernow with torrent http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407251140.iso.torrent13:38
shadeslayercan someone check if the torrent works?13:38
apacheloggercan you not?13:39
shadeslayerhow can I if I'm the only seeder13:40
apacheloggerveebox for example13:40
apacheloggernot working tho13:40
rdietershadeslayer: fwiw, I just tried.  reports 0 seeders (in ktorrent)13:40
apacheloggeror at least I am not finding you13:40
shadeslayerI can see 1 leecher13:40
shadeslayerso it's weird13:40
apacheloggertracker driven torrenting is crap :P13:40
apacheloggerthat's why13:40
shadeslayerwhat would you recommend13:41
apacheloggertrackerless13:41
shadeslayermagnet links?13:41
apacheloggerno, tracker less torrents13:42
shadeslayermagnet:?xt=urn:btih:62e68dd0f8ed8dd2bb753ebec02dc0c953944607&dn=kubuntu5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce13:42
apacheloggermagnets are just torrent file less torrents13:42
apacheloggerthey can still have a tracker13:42
shadeslayerrdieter: try that 13:42
Riddellshadeslayer: not working for me13:42
shadeslayeryikes13:42
shadeslayerand we're on the same lan13:42
apacheloggerclearly your ktorrent is not very sociable 13:43
apacheloggercp: cannot stat 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/cmake/PolkitQt-1/PolkitQt-1Config.cmake': No such file or directory13:43
rdietershadeslayer: ktorrent says downloading/0 peers13:43
apacheloggeryou'd think polkit could have kept the same cmake dir 13:43
apacheloggerbut you'd be wrong13:43
* apachelogger debugs torrent13:43
shadeslayerrdieter: add all of these trackers and try ?http://publicbt.com/13:44
rdietershadeslayer: if you're the only seeder, you may want to try to manually announce13:44
shadeslayerrdieter: I did 13:44
apacheloggershadeslayer: what's your public ip13:45
rdieter(otherwise, I think it updates only ~30 minutes, ok)13:45
shadeslayer Your public IP address is 88.3.159.54 - Learn more 13:45
Riddellshadeslayer: can it be kubuntu-plasma5 instead of kubuntu5 ?13:45
apacheloggershadeslayer: do you have DHT enabled?13:46
shadeslayerit can be unicorns5 if you want to call it that13:46
apacheloggerbecause that's what I meant with trackerless :P13:46
shadeslayerI do13:46
apacheloggerbut it appears your address is rejecting my connection attempts13:46
shadeslayeraha13:47
shadeslayerthere we go13:47
rdietershadeslayer: publicbt.com reports 1 seeder13:47
shadeslayershort burst of upload speed there13:47
apacheloggerFr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Authentication to 88.3.159.54 : failure13:47
apacheloggerFr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Initiating connection to 88.3.159.54 via (TCP)13:47
shadeslayerhttp://imgur.com/t99kRnU13:48
apacheloggershadeslayer: that's possibly the tracker heartbeat13:48
kubotufeed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 613:48
apacheloggerall possible peers http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855962/13:49
shadeslayermaybe port is blocked ?13:50
apacheloggermaybe13:50
Riddellshadeslayer: I think I'd rather call it kubuntu-plasma5 :)13:51
apacheloggerI have found rdieter \o/13:51
rdieter<nod>, I unfirewalled13:51
Riddellapachelogger: did you rescue him from being stuck in a large red coloured hat? :)13:51
apacheloggeryou people should learn to use upnp :P13:52
apacheloggeranywho13:52
apacheloggershadeslayer: probably router blockage13:52
shadeslayerprobably13:52
apacheloggerI also got auth rejections from rdieter previously13:52
RiddellI still am not torrenting it13:52
Riddellseeders 0 (1) whatever that means13:52
apacheloggerbecause you are behind the same router13:52
rdieterRiddell: did you add the 2nd tracker?  (It did nothing for me until I did so)13:53
shadeslayerI found rdieter too13:53
apacheloggerRiddell: enable DHT and you should be able to connect to shadeslayer13:53
Riddellwhat 2nd tracker?13:53
RiddellDHT is enabled13:53
shadeslayerRiddell: http://publicbt.com/13:53
apacheloggerRiddell: then the office router is crap13:54
Riddelland it can't seem to find shadeslayer even though he's sitting just over there13:54
apacheloggera tracker is nothing but a 1990's DHT version13:54
shadeslayerit is quite crap13:54
apacheloggerRiddell: you are being routed through the outside for whatever reason13:54
apacheloggerunless shadeslayer has a local firewall as well ^^13:54
apacheloggeranywho13:54
apacheloggerit works in theory xD13:54
shadeslayerRiddell: try adding 192.168.1.3713:55
apacheloggerrdieter: do you have shadeslayer as a peer?13:56
shadeslayerrdieter is scored a -50 on here13:56
apacheloggerthat's normal13:56
rdieterapachelogger: not sure who's who.  I have one spain, one austria peer13:56
shadeslayermaybe ktorrent is shit13:56
shadeslayer:p13:56
shadeslayerspain is me13:56
apacheloggerthing is, I just enabled peer exchange so that's DHT^2 but I still don't get shadeslayer 13:56
rdieterand spain just dropped off my list of peers13:56
apacheloggerrdieter: spain would be shadeslayer then13:56
rdieterok13:57
Riddellspain?  it's Catalunya you imperialist torrenters!13:57
rdieternow it's back13:57
rdieterand gone again,wierd13:58
apacheloggerlol Riddell13:58
apacheloggerohoho13:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: ping13:59
shadeslayerapachelogger: pong13:59
apacheloggershadeslayer: change your port plz13:59
shadeslayerwe could use S3 buckets to disperse13:59
apachelogger6882 or something13:59
shadeslayerits' 788114:00
apacheloggerwe could just contract cloudfront :P14:00
apacheloggersurely can't be soo expensive14:00
shadeslayeroh oh oh14:00
shadeslayeroh wait, nah, won't work14:01
apacheloggershadeslayer: upnp plugin active?14:01
shadeslayerI was thinking of distributing via google drive :p14:01
shadeslayerapachelogger: yes14:01
apacheloggerdoes it say the port is forwarded14:01
shadeslayerhttp://i.imgur.com/dx1O9n5.png14:01
apacheloggerin ktorrent at the bottom there should be a tab14:01
shadeslayeryes14:01
shadeslayerI know -.-14:01
apacheloggerpft14:02
apacheloggerwhy u tell me port is 7881 when that port is not even forwarded :P14:02
shadeslayerapachelogger: I changed the port to 696914:02
shadeslayerscrew it14:03
shadeslayeruse s314:03
shadeslayerS3 ftw14:03
apacheloggerI think the relevant ktorrent dialog is actually broken xD14:03
rdieterdone testing then? 14:04
shadeslayeryes, I'm setting up S3 with Riddell14:04
shadeslayergives us torrenting for free14:05
tsimpsonsomeone want to update http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu ?14:05
apacheloggeris that different from a cloudfront?14:05
shadeslayerapachelogger: well, I know how to work with S3 :p14:05
shadeslayerbut not with cloudfront14:05
shadeslayerdoes cloudfront do auto torrenting14:05
apacheloggeraha14:05
apacheloggerI was talking cost :P14:06
apacheloggercost/benefit14:06
shadeslayerhttp://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/14:06
Riddelltsimpson: new md5sums?14:06
apacheloggershadeslayer: why do we need that setup anyway xD14:06
apacheloggerright now we only use it internally, do we not?14:06
shadeslayerI thought we were announcing it14:07
shadeslayeror well14:07
apacheloggerto whom?14:07
shadeslayerI would like to announce it14:07
apacheloggeror rather why :P14:07
shadeslayeron planet?14:07
shadeslayerbecause shiny new thing?14:07
shadeslayermore testing?14:07
tsimpsonRiddell: the download points to 14.04 not 14.04.114:07
shadeslayerapachelogger: it'll cost 24 USD14:08
shadeslayerto distrbute 1024 ISO's14:08
Riddelltsimpson: hmm14:08
apacheloggershadeslayer: for distribution you'll want cloudfront I think14:09
apacheloggernot sure s3 is geolocationally mirroring14:09
apacheloggershadeslayer: 24usd still seems a lot 14:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: I'd continue trying to get torrents going :P14:10
tsimpsonpeople downloading the ISO for a fresh install probably do want the point release14:10
apacheloggershadeslayer: you could put a headless torrent client on qa.kubuntu14:11
shadeslayerapachelogger: wpm14:11
apacheloggerthat would supposedly be less error prone14:11
shadeslayerwon't make a difference14:11
shadeslayerwhen the server is loaded14:11
apacheloggershadeslayer: it does when there are more peers14:11
apacheloggerand qa.kubuntu we pay anyway and it has no traffic limit14:11
apacheloggerso we get away muchos cheapos14:11
shadeslayerdisk io is shit on that server14:12
shadeslayeryou'll kill it14:12
shadeslayeror well14:12
shadeslayerI fear it'll be killed14:12
apacheloggernot with more peers :P14:12
apacheloggerthat's the point of torrent to begin with14:12
shadeslayerhm14:13
apacheloggereven if there's 3 peers and 1 is the server the server still only would have 1/2 the load as bottlenecking disk IO would bottleneck the torrent IO which in turn will result in a lower score (in any decent torrent app anyway)14:13
shadeslayerok14:13
Riddelltsimpson: how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu14:13
apacheloggerso in any scenario with >=3 peers the server has <=1/2 of a full iso IO to do14:14
apacheloggerand the more IO it would have to do the less it effectively gets because its score will fall behind any other peer ;)14:14
apacheloggerit's much magic how distributed nonesense scales itself 14:14
shadeslayerapachelogger: any recommendations for torrent clients on headless servers? :p14:14
apacheloggershadeslayer: no, something secure14:14
apacheloggerpossibly something with DHT14:14
shadeslayerlike?14:15
apacheloggerdunno search14:15
apacheloggerI do not really work with that stuff :P14:15
* shadeslayer was thinking utorrent or transmission14:15
apacheloggershadeslayer: I think alex knows about headless clients14:15
tsimpsonRiddell: that seems to work, just Download mirror and torrent links that need updating too14:15
* apachelogger needs to do buy do some shopping14:16
shadeslayerthat makes no sense14:16
Riddelltsimpson: torrent updated, download mirrors don't need an updated it's the same page14:16
* shadeslayer thinks it'll easier to cloudfront/S314:16
apacheloggerand more expensive14:17
apacheloggerstop wasting the moniez14:17
shadeslayerIf I'm spending work hours setting up headless torrent clients, that's still wastage of man hours and hence monies14:17
apachelogger24 usd is 10 real money for that amount we can feed one dev for one day ;)14:17
tsimpsonRiddell: ah right, all good then :)14:18
shadeslayerheh14:18
Riddellthanks for the ping tsimpson 14:18
shadeslayerreal money14:18
Riddellfar more important than all this squabbling about how to distribute it, I've added a nice banner http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/14:30
Riddelloh yes http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/ :)14:35
shadeslayerheh14:36
shadeslayeroh oh14:39
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* Riddell high fives sgclark 14:50
Riddellshadeslayer: can I blog yet?14:50
shadeslayernope14:51
sgclarkThe requested URL /kubuntu5/ was not found on this server.14:52
yofelsame here ^14:52
sgclarkno testing iso for me :(14:52
Riddellsgclark: moved to http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/14:52
sgclarkthanks!14:52
RiddellI'm curious to know if plasma-nm works on it, it didn't in the build I tried but that's an older build14:55
shadeslayermd5sums and sha256sums up14:55
* yofel zsyncs14:55
shadeslayerI'm still trying to figure out why the torrent doesn't work14:55
yofelhm, so I guess this is how sddm is supposed to look like15:08
yofelalthough being an iso I should not be seeing that15:08
shadeslayercan someone check if http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent works15:08
shadeslayeryofel: kinda, casper needs fixing15:08
shadeslayerit doesn't take sddm into account15:09
yofelah ok, I read that, so it's just not fixed15:09
Riddellshadeslayer: no seeders or leachers15:09
yofel(17:10:16) Could not create download: Could not find any trackers15:10
yofelthat torrent file is rather broken15:11
shadeslayer0.o15:11
shadeslayerhm15:12
yofelso, I see a plasma-nm in kvm with the latest image15:12
yofelofc. only shows wired15:12
Riddellyofel: right, but on my real laptop it doesn't show any wifi networks15:13
yofelhm, I'll test that once I'm home. Plasma-nm does work fine with wifi on my utopic install on my eeepc15:14
shadeslayeryofel: Riddell try adding udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80  to the trackers15:14
yofelmeh, guess I'll have to use ktorrent15:15
yofelshadeslayer: yeah, that works15:18
shadeslayerthought so15:19
yofelbut rtorrent refuses to even read the file 15:19
yofelas 0 trackers is invalid15:19
yofelif I open the klipper menu it opens it right on top of the panel -.-15:20
apacheloggershadeslayer, Riddell: y u no revu polkit?15:22
shadeslayerforgot15:23
shadeslayerlooking now15:23
shadeslayerapachelogger: no debug package?15:23
apacheloggernever had one15:24
shadeslayerapachelogger: fwiw dht only does not work15:25
shadeslayersee http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent15:26
shadeslayeras soon as I add tracker, download works15:26
apacheloggershadeslayer: it does discover peers apparently15:27
apacheloggerunless that's the porn torrents15:27
shadeslayerheh15:27
shadeslayerapachelogger: I added qa.kubuntu.co.uk to the list of DHT nodes explicitly15:27
apacheloggerFr. Jul 25 17:27:40 2014: DHT: Got 1 potential peers for torrent kubuntu5-201407251140.iso15:27
shadeslayeryeah ktorrent doesn't do shit15:28
apacheloggerktorrent isn't exactly the best thing in the world15:28
shadeslayerbut it is the thing that mostly everyone will be using15:28
apacheloggerwhat I see however is that the peer is not the one I see when I ping qa.kubuntu though ^^15:28
shadeslayerheh15:29
apachelogger 178.191.5.240 is the one I see15:29
yofelso, looking at what I can find about the .torrent spec, "announce [the URL of the tracker]" is a required field15:29
yofelso 0 trackers is an invalid file15:29
apacheloggerwho has that ip? :P15:29
apacheloggerentirely possibru15:29
shadeslayeryou15:29
apacheloggermake it magnet15:29
apacheloggerme is that ip?15:30
apacheloggerwhy am I connecting to me15:30
shadeslayerit's in austria15:30
apacheloggerthis application is really shitty15:30
shadeslayerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/7856670/15:30
apacheloggerindeed it is me15:30
apacheloggerlol15:30
shadeslayer:p15:30
apacheloggerwhy ever would ktorrent talk to itself15:30
shadeslayeranywy15:31
shadeslayergoing to put one tracker in there15:31
apacheloggermh15:31
apacheloggershadeslayer: are you sure that qa.kubuntu is actually in a DHT15:31
shadeslayeryes15:31
apacheloggernote that a client by default is not a DHT note15:31
apacheloggers/note/node15:31
shadeslayeryes, I added it explicitly15:32
apacheloggermuchos curious15:32
shadeslayerfeel free to create a torrent file15:32
shadeslayerand send it over to me15:32
shadeslayerapachelogger: debian/docs README.porting15:32
shadeslayerwhy15:32
shadeslayerTODO as well15:32
shadeslayerseems a bit useless15:32
shadeslayercopyright isn't dep 315:33
apacheloggerFr. Jul 25 17:32:42 2014: Error happened during parsing : Unknown DHT rpc call (transaction id = ยง)15:33
apacheloggerthat also makes me very confident xD15:33
apacheloggershadeslayer: because it's there15:33
apacheloggerwhat client do you use on dat qa.kubuntu?15:33
shadeslayerqbittorrent15:34
apacheloggeractually I have some sort of access to that server xD15:34
apacheloggergood thing I put it in my ssh config, I never remember that sort of crap15:34
apacheloggershadeslayer: can I watch in byobu or something?15:35
shadeslayersee nohup.out15:35
shadeslayerin ~15:35
apacheloggerof who15:36
yofelqbittorrent, on a server o.O?15:36
yofelwhy not transmission-daemon or so?15:38
shadeslayerapachelogger: kubuntu15:38
shadeslayeryofel: sure, that would work too15:38
shadeslayerbut Qt! :D15:38
shadeslayerqbittorrent has a nox client15:38
shadeslayerwhich is what we're using15:38
apacheloggernaaaaaaaaah15:39
apacheloggerone ^D too much15:39
apacheloggernoooooooo15:39
apacheloggerI have nesting doll ssh sessions it's quite mad right now15:39
yofelthere is the thing about choosing the right tool for the job you know ^^15:39
yofelit's even more fun if you go and nest tmux in nested ssh sessions15:40
yofelsupreme mess15:40
apacheloggerjebus15:40
apacheloggercurrently I am laptop -> otherlaptop -> workstation -> elsewhere15:40
apacheloggerelsewhere sometimes does entail a screen xD15:40
yofelwouldn't be much better for me right now. work -> server -> notebook -> qa15:41
apacheloggershadeslayer: that output is not terrible verbose is it 15:41
apacheloggerturn on tha debug mode15:41
apacheloggeryofel: at least you have a sensible excuse15:42
apacheloggerI just cannot be bothered to get my keys ^^15:42
yofelheh15:42
apacheloggerso I go through the nodes where I have keys until I get to my workstation15:42
shadeslayerapachelogger: afaict polkit is fine15:44
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Riddell"Description: PolicyKit-qt5-1 library" apachelogger description a bit lax15:49
Riddellapachelogger: "Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, consolekit" really?15:51
Riddellisn't consolekit dead?15:51
Riddell"It was downloaded from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/apps/KDE4.x/admin/" copyright may need updated15:53
apacheloggerRiddell: no15:58
apacheloggerthat's actually where it is from15:59
apachelogger...15:59
apacheloggergo figure15:59
* apachelogger rolls eyes15:59
Riddelloh ok15:59
Riddellapachelogger: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address15:59
Riddellapachelogger: E: polkit-qt5-1 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libpolkit-qt5-1-dev -> libpolkit-qt-1-116:01
apacheloggerohohoho16:01
apacheloggerfixed16:01
apacheloggerRiddell: regarding maintainer16:01
apacheloggerthat was already in 4.x16:01
apacheloggerin fact the divergence came from us depending on consolekit16:02
apacheloggerso I am not sure how to proceed16:02
Riddellthat was iain lane says changelog16:02
Riddell"* Add Depends on consolekit, since we're using its D-Bus API"16:02
Riddellcore/polkitqt1-authority.cpp:    QString consoleKitService("org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit");16:03
Riddellsuggests it is indeed using it16:03
Riddellso I guess keep it16:03
apacheloggeryeah, I don't question that, I am not sure about the maintainer though :P16:03
apacheloggertechnically it should be changed16:03
apacheloggerbut meh :P16:03
apacheloggerupdate-maintainer 16:04
apacheloggerThe original maintainer is: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>16:04
apacheloggerResetting as: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>16:04
apacheloggerhooray for scripts16:04
apacheloggerRiddell: maintainer also fixed16:04
apacheloggerthat's also a very useless field on our end16:05
apacheloggerin fact for quite some software it's even useless on the debian side because there's also team maintainership going on  -.-16:05
apacheloggerplus, who cares anyway :P16:06
Riddellapachelogger: add in XSBC-Original-Maintainer: of course16:08
Riddellapachelogger: 16:12
Riddellapachelogger: all good otherwise16:13
apacheloggerscript does orig-maintainer actualy16:41
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sgclarkRiddell: ok to delete 4.13.90 from ninjas?16:56
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soeeif kmix does not show sup in systry by default it is some bug ?17:16
shadeslayersgclark: is 4.13.95 up?17:19
shadeslayersoee: in plasma517:20
shadeslayer?17:20
sgclarkshadeslayer: soon, libs failed, looking now17:20
shadeslayersgclark: but was that uploaded to a PPA or the archive17:20
sgclarkshadeslayer: I am uploading 4.13.95 to ninjas now. I do not know what is going on with 4.13.90 because I was at OSCON last few days.17:21
shadeslayerah ok17:21
shadeslayersgclark: plz rebuild analitza17:22
sgclarkso I was asking :)17:22
sgclark?17:22
shadeslayerI don't follow :D17:22
santa_Riddell: hello, I think the next thing I'm going to do is trying to get a smooth upgrade to plasma 5 when someone have installed kde-standard  or kde-full. wrt that I'm inclined to think naming khelpcenter binary package khelpcenter5 would be a good thing17:23
shadeslayerah17:23
santa_let me pastebin something17:23
sgclarkI don't follow rebuilding, I have not even uploaded it yet17:23
shadeslayerright, before uploading, please run the script for analitza again17:23
shadeslayerI fixed some symbols17:23
sgclarkshadeslayer: ahhh ok, got it17:24
* shadeslayer does hot fix for package in archive17:24
sgclarkRiddell: crazy ontology ndo.trig error again...17:25
* sgclark is halted in her tracks17:25
shadeslayerFYI Riddell is out17:25
sgclarkwelp, guess I am done haha17:25
shadeslayerI can have a look at it17:25
shadeslayerwhat did you guys do the last time17:25
sgclarkthanks, he had to upload to proposed last time17:26
shadeslayerok, lets just do that then17:26
sgclarkcrazy thing is it builds there and locally, we can't figure out why ppas hates it so17:26
shadeslayerI'll do it in a  bit17:26
sgclarkty17:26
sgclarknepomuk-core had same issue. is he gone for the day?17:27
santa_shadeslayer: ah, thanks17:27
shadeslayermore or less17:28
sgclarkok, nepomuk-core has several deps that had to go as well, perhaps I should wait till Monday, or will you be around?17:29
shadeslayerI'm around17:31
shadeslayerjust upload to ninjas and I'll adjust things in the changelog and upload17:31
shadeslayermy internet is pretty shit though17:31
sgclarkok, I will ping you then when the time comes, thanks!17:31
shadeslayercheers, np17:31
shadeslayerthough I'm only around for an hour :p17:31
sgclarkwe'll get done what we can lol17:32
* yofel will be around after that17:36
sgclarkok, great thanks17:37
shadeslayerkdelibs is up17:40
shadeslayersgclark: do I have to upload nepomuk too?18:04
sgclarkshadeslayer: waiting for libs to finish before uploading the rest18:04
shadeslayerok18:07
shadeslayerok, I'm heading home18:15
shadeslayercya on Monday18:15
yofelhave a nice weekend18:18
soeeshadeslayer: yes in plasma519:02
soeewhat does it mean: QLayout: Cannot add null widget to QHBoxLayout/19:04
sgclarkyofel: baloo, kfilemetadata and nepomuk-core will need to be uploaded to proposed when you have time.19:09
* sgclark is afk a bit19:13
lordievaderGood evening.19:14
yofelsgclark: looking19:30
yofelkfilemetadata up19:43
valoriehmmm, update today errored out: paste.kde.org/pkhwalus920:26
valorieor maybe that should have been in #project-neon20:26
sgclarkprolly, I don't know anything of neon sorry :(20:27
sgclarkyofel: also I am still baffled on getting a status page. I am suppose to update a conf file I can't find for crontab or some such. Can you help?20:29
yofelsure, let me dig up where that was again20:30
yofelsgclark: /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/utopic.conf on qa.kubuntu.co.uk20:31
yofelI changed it to 4.13.95 now20:34
sgclarkyofel: thanks!20:37
yofelhm, baloo needs kdepimlibs20:45
* yofel looks at that20:45
santa_anything wrong with the build farm? I have a few experimental packages waiting to build20:50
yofela couple are offline and there's an 1 hour queue, but that's all it seems https://launchpad.net/builders20:52
sgclarkaside from have tons building or in que? not that I know of20:52
sgclarkyofel: I had to fix an install file with baloo as well, so will need ppa220:54
yofelI'll just take what's in bzr, so make sure it's committed20:54
sgclarkyep :)20:54
yofelkdepimlibs uploaded20:57
soee_hmm, after i pluged in my usb stick21:41
soee_http://paste.ubuntu.com/7859406/21:41
yofelsgclark: I see no update for baloo, did you commit that?22:07
sgclarkhmm, debcommit -a ? does not push?22:08
yofelpushes if the branch is bound22:08
yofelcheckout makes a bound branch, branch an unbound one. You can also manually un/bind branches22:09
sgclarkgosh, it is a bzr branch from initial upload, I don't know where that puts things :(22:09
yofeloh, that's a branch, go in there and run 'bzr push :parent'22:10
sgclarkyofel: thanks! pushed22:11
yofelthere we go :)22:12
sgclarkyofel: I have to step out for a bit. I will get to the bits (if any) that need attention after nepomuk-core clears sometime this weekend. Thanks for all of your help.22:17
yofelI'll look at core in a bit22:18
yofelyou're welcome, thanks for looking at .9522:18
yofel- (optional=gccinternal|arch=)_ZN6Xapian18ValuePostingSourceD0Ev@Base 4:4.12.8022:19
* yofel wonders how an empty arch setting got in there o.O22:19
sgclarkodd, no idea22:19
* sgclark is now leaving22:20
* yofel throws an empty bottle after shadeslayer for not committing is kde4libs upload to bzr22:48
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valorieon above discussion re: torrents, I was not able to get the qa.kub link to work even for the banner23:36
valorieand nada on any links for the kubuntu5 torrent23:36
valorieooo, it was just slow23:37
valoriebut it shows no seeders23:37
valoriesadness23:37
valorieI do have all the *buntu 14.04.1 torrents seeding23:39
valorienow off for a bit23:43

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