[01:05] <ScottK> Riddell: It didn't fit with anything else because it's not just 14.04/14.10 (the kdelibs thing)
[01:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: Admin'ed ALL the people.
[06:42] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I will rename my launchpad to ovidiu-florin, if I'm allowed to have an - in there
[06:42] <ovidiu-florin> if not, I'll stick to this one
[06:45] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I'll get back to you on this one
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I've renamed to ovidiu-florin
[06:51] <ovidiu-florin> apachelogger: I thought it was going to ne @kubuntu.org not @ubuntu.com
[06:59] <tsimpson> you should get both, kubuntu members get @kubuntu.org and ubuntu members get @ubuntu.com
[06:59] <tsimpson> and all kubuntu members are also ubuntu members
[07:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you link into two autostart dirs you either cause pointless work, race conditional bogus behavior or actually start the software twice...
[08:47] <apachelogger> if you change a quilt package to a native package lintian will have a stroke when you run it on the package
[08:48] <apachelogger> I think a little lintian gnome just jumped off a cliff somewhere
[08:52] <Riddell> lubuntu using dolphin? http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/box-for-qt.html
[08:54] <Riddell> ah no they're just testing their Box widget theme with qt5
[08:57] <apachelogger> uploading a preliminary qapt3 to stage
[09:24] <Riddell> yay
[09:28] <Riddell> #
[09:28] <Riddell> "spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" why does spotify not work on a plasma5 image install?
[09:28] <Riddell> that library doesn't even exist
[09:30] <apachelogger> which is probably why it fails :P
[09:31] <apachelogger> utopic has udev1 I think
[09:34] <soee> good morning
[09:38] <Riddell> waa!
[09:39] <Riddell> no spotify? having to live with the web client? waa
[09:39] <apachelogger> #thatiswhatyougetforusingproprietarysoftware
[09:40] <Riddell> yeah yeah, there was me trying to lose my religion and now you give it straight back
[09:44] <soee> Riddell: spotify does not work on Utopic or what do you mean by plasam5 image install ?
[09:46] <Riddell> soee: yes utopic
[09:46] <davmor2> Riddell: because spotify hates you, hate it back it works for me ;)
[09:46] <soee> Riddell: spotify works for me
[09:47] <Riddell> soee: you just said it didn't work on utopic
[09:48] <Riddell> more importantly why does firefox not refresh graphics when I switch to it
[09:48] <soee> Riddell: i asked if it does not work for you  :)
[09:49] <apachelogger> I suppose one could try linking udev1 to udev0 and see if spotify gets a symbol error :P
[09:50] <Riddell> oh weird
[09:50] <Riddell> I had the i386 version installed
[09:50] <Riddell> but there is also an amd64 version
[09:51] <Riddell> what the heck made it install i386?
[09:53] <Riddell> and now utopic chroots are broken for builds
[09:54] <apachelogger> much lovely
[10:00] <apachelogger> new usb-creator works flawlessly \o/
[10:01] <apachelogger> boot loader creation not so much though -.-
[10:06] <Riddell> ooh nice
[10:06] <Riddell> apart from it not working
[10:08] <Riddell> so what shall I do today? 4.14 beta 3? 4.13.3? or more plasma 5 foo?  I guess not much poking of packages possible until buildds get fixed
[10:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: ppas work interestingly enough
[10:14] <apachelogger> plasma failed at :46, I uploaded qapt at :54, qapt finished fine apparently
[10:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: 
[10:18] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel_5.0.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[10:19] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/runnermodel/qmldir', which is also in package libkf5runner-bin 5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5
[10:21] <Riddell> oh did I forget a replaces/breaks?
[10:21] <Riddell> yofel: there's no branches for 4.13 backports in 14.04lts yet are there?
[10:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: apparently
[10:22] <yofel> backports, you mean updates? no
[10:22]  * apachelogger notes that qapt has worker issues now -.-
[10:23] <apachelogger> Couldn't register service "Connection ":1.67" is not allowed to own the service "org.kubuntu.qaptworker2" due to security policies in the configuration file"
[10:23] <apachelogger> wtf
[10:23] <Riddell> yofel: right updates
[10:28] <apachelogger> one can still link against the wrong polkit
[10:28] <apachelogger> ffs
[10:29] <soee> Riddell: +1 for 4.14 beta 3 :)
[10:30] <soee> though i think 4.13.3 is very important for a lot of users
[10:35] <apachelogger> Riddell: we have no polkitqt5 packaged? Oo
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: it doesn't exist
[10:36] <Riddell> it has about 3 ports none of which are official or released
[10:36]  * Riddell publishes http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04.1
[10:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: and consequently kauth is all broken
[10:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: in git I see one tag
[10:38] <apachelogger> which makes it rather official
[10:41] <apachelogger> not that I could actually find a tarball or announcement
[10:41]  * apachelogger sighs
[10:41] <soee> #kubuntu [12:34] <jbgood> Is there a timeline when the LTS upgrade in Muon will be offered?
[10:41] <soee> how does the upgrade worgs through muon ?
[10:41] <soee> is it released already for upgrades ?
[10:42] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: are my configs busted or do apps not get focused when started in 5.0?
[10:42] <apachelogger> soee: when .1 is released
[10:42] <Riddell> apachelogger: that was yesteday
[10:43] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: e.g. I am in konsole hit ctrl-esc to start ksysguard, except it gets no focus
[10:43] <Riddell> it needs http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts to be updatd
[10:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: better poke infinity then? :P
[10:43] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I just started kwrite through krunner and it got focus
[10:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: soee: looks like he's waiting until the chroot foo is settled
[10:43] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: not sure whether triggering by shortcut does set the right timestamp
[10:44] <mgraesslin> so focus stealing prevention might kick in
[10:44] <apachelogger> fun
[10:44] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: do you want a bug report for that? and if so against which product
[10:44] <Riddell> apachelogger, soee: oh no there's an upgrade crasher bug that server have found so waiting for that to be resolved
[10:45] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: no, as that first needs investigation which product is at fault here
[10:45] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: in 9 out of 10 cases it's the app
[10:45] <mgraesslin> no that's wrong: in 11 out of 10
[10:46] <apachelogger> lol
[10:46] <mgraesslin> we had exactly one bug concerning focus handling introduced during 5 porting - but it's fixed a long time
[10:46] <mgraesslin> and that was probably the first bug in that area since I'm working on KWin
[10:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: there must be something else
[10:47] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: if I start a gui from konsole it also doesn't get focus
[10:48] <apachelogger> it's not all though
[10:48] <apachelogger> very suspicious
[10:48] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I'll investigate a bit more
[10:48] <mgraesslin> test with Qt4 vs Qt5
[10:49] <apachelogger> probably not that
[10:49] <mgraesslin> well just started a Qt4 app from konsole and it got focus
[10:49] <apachelogger> konsole(4) -> systemsettings(5) gets focus .... -> ksysguard(5) gets no focus ... -> dolphin(4) gets focus
[10:49] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: it's not all of them, it's somewhat random
[10:50] <mgraesslin> oh I'm sure it's not random
[10:50] <apachelogger> mhh, when I run one of our apps through sudo it also doesn't get focus
[10:50] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: well, not completely random it just doesn't affect all apps ^^
[10:50] <mgraesslin> it's either something like no longer using kdelibs4
[10:50] <apachelogger> so far I see it only affecting qt5 apps though
[10:51] <apachelogger> nope
[10:51] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: I am running a pyqt5 app and it also doesn't get focus
[10:52] <mgraesslin> well that's also using the qt5 xcb plugin
[10:52] <Riddell> yofel: hmm I'm not convinced we have a nice automated way to do this
[10:52] <Riddell> making the branches I think I need to get the current ones and work out how to branch them before any utopic work
[10:52] <yofel> why would you branch anything?
[10:52] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: another pyqt5 app gets focus ^^
[10:53] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: *shrug* - figure out the difference
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: where would I get the packaging from?
[10:54] <yofel> Riddell: what exactly are you trying to do? I'm a bit confused
[10:54] <Riddell> yofel: package 4.13.3
[10:55] <yofel> for trusty? use the script? That pulls the packages from trusty-updates
[10:55] <yofel> I tried making SRU branches for saucy, too much of a hassle really
[10:56] <Riddell> yofel: which script?
[10:56] <yofel> kubuntu-initial-upload?
[10:56] <yofel> --sru
[10:56] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: what you can also try is check how kwin4 behaves - if kwin4 shows same behavior it's the apps to blema
[10:56] <mgraesslin> nice typo :-)
[10:57] <Riddell> yofel: that uses pull-ppa-source ?
[10:57] <yofel> that uses pull-lp-source IIRC
[10:57] <yofel> i.e. the previous SRU has to be done before you can use it
[10:58] <yofel> it does pull from trusty-proposed too though
[10:58] <Riddell> oh it uses pull-lp-source
[11:01] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: can  not replicate with kwin4
[11:01] <yofel> you'll have to keep an eye to it as --sru is interactive, it'll ask you Y/n if it finds some diff in a file that's not whitelisted (e.g. a cmake fix or so)
[11:01] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: ok, so it might be a kwin5 problem
[11:02] <apachelogger> let's see if a new user has this behavior as well though
[11:02] <Riddell> pull-lp-source: Error: Unable to retrieve package information from DDE: http://dde.debian.net/dde/q/udd/dist/d:ubuntu/r:trusty/p:amor/?t=json (<urlopen error [Errno -2] Name or service not known
[11:02] <Riddell> I wonder if that's something I should care about
[11:04] <yofel> I don't *think* so... you will get failure messages because the package won't be in -proposed, it then retries in -updates/release
[11:05] <Riddell> grr, gpg-agent doesn't run in this plasma 5 install
[11:05] <Riddell> I wonder what I'm missing, that stuff is spooky voodoo
[11:05] <yofel> gpg-agent doesn't start here anymore either, and this is kde4. If you figure out what your issue is please tell me
[11:05] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: also happens with new user FWIW
[11:06] <mgraesslin> ok
[11:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: does breeze-cursor have no debian alaternative integration? Oo
[11:07] <Riddell> apachelogger: probably not
[11:07] <Riddell> yofel: gpg-agent --daemon seems to be the manual fix
[11:10] <Riddell> hmm seems to be updating from 4.13.0 rather than 4.13.1
[11:11] <yofel> it'll update from whatever is in trusty, which is a mix of .0, .1 and .2
[11:12] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: minimal pyqt5 example http://paste.ubuntu.com/7854824/ which fails to get focus
[11:12] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: I'm not sure whether that should get focus at all
[11:12] <mgraesslin> I would need to investigate how the focus stealing prevention works
[11:13] <mgraesslin> and how much KApplication played a part in it
[11:13] <mgraesslin> which won't happen before my vacations :-P
[11:13] <Riddell> yofel: ah I see
[11:13] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: all I can say is that it is highly annoying
[11:13] <mgraesslin> apachelogger: feel free to report a bug and remind me when I'm back from vacations
[11:13] <apachelogger> i.e. I almost exclusively start things from a terminal and my taskbar is crowded like there's free stuff ;)
[11:14] <apachelogger> so very annoying to have to find the task in the bar and activate it ^^
[11:14] <apachelogger> mgraesslin: ok will do, thanks
[11:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: are you going to look into polkit?
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: should I make our packages coinstallable with 4.x?
[11:53] <apachelogger> otherwise one can switch to plasma5 but if one then wants to switch back to 4.x the kcms for example won't be there because the new package has a greater version
[12:03] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[12:03] <soee> i see some packages with version 4.13.90 in updates
[12:03] <soee> this is part of 4.14 beta ?
[12:06] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/112818337850093230691/posts/CLXoVfKVumy shouldn't we force sni-qt into systems somehow?
[12:06] <apachelogger> I guess dep via plasma-desktop
[12:07] <mhall119> shadeslayer: ping
[12:11] <apachelogger> mhall119: everyone is out for lunch right now
[12:14] <mhall119> oh, is it that dev sprint this week?
[12:16] <apachelogger> mhall119: no, just a coincidence, although Riddell and shadeslayer work out of the same office so they usually disappear around the same time for lunch ^^
[12:16] <apachelogger> agateau: ping, did the systray sni stuff in qt get backported to 5.3?
[12:17] <agateau> apachelogger: forward ported, you mean? :)
[12:17] <apachelogger> somewhere ported
[12:17] <agateau> apachelogger: I don't know, I haven't touched it myself
[12:17] <apachelogger> IIRC it was in master a while ago already but inclusion into stable was not clear
[12:18] <apachelogger> https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8
[12:18] <apachelogger> good thing martin disappeared again xD
[12:22] <soee> http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-linux-desktop-kdes-plasma-1.html
[12:24] <soee> lates updates -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855346/
[12:27] <apachelogger> Riddell, Mirv: I think we need to patchy patch https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8 into 5.3 to prevent qt apps from having no systray in plasma5
[12:36] <Riddell> apachelogger: polkit scares me
[12:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: make what packages coinstallable?
[12:37] <sgclark> morning
[12:37] <Riddell> sgclark!
[12:37] <Riddell> you're back!
[12:37] <Riddell> I missed you
[12:38] <sgclark> awww :) yeah OSCON is done.
[12:38] <Riddell> apachelogger: patch for systray would be good
[12:38] <Riddell> sgclark: any kde love there?
[12:38] <sgclark> That was interesting haha.
[12:38] <sgclark> Riddell: nope :( except what I snuck in
[12:39] <sgclark> Positive response from folks I talked to though
[12:40] <Riddell> next year you'll know all about how to do a KDE and Kubuntu stall :)
[12:40] <sgclark> Riddell: I had this brilliant idea to upgrade my laptop last night. But I should be ready for tasks shortly.
[12:41] <sgclark> Riddell: hehe yep :)
[12:43] <sgclark> Plasma 5 is running like a dream on this old cheapo pc btw
[12:43] <Riddell> yay
[12:46] <sgclark> ok, laptop rebooted and it has not exploded, if there is anything you need me to do let me know
[12:47] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179698729/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kitemmodels_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:48] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess you can crack on with the 4.13.95 beta 2
[12:49] <Riddell> http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.14-beta2.php
[12:49] <sgclark> Riddell: crack on, as in needs initial upload or ?
[12:49] <Riddell> yeah initial upload
[12:49] <sgclark> woot! ok on it :)
[12:49] <sgclark> ninjas private again?
[12:50] <Riddell> yeah
[12:50] <sgclark> k
[12:50] <Riddell> I've updated your key on docs server so you should be able to ssh sgclark@qa.kubuntu.co.uk  to update the cron 
[12:51] <sgclark> wonderful ty
[12:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: coinstallability: about-distro kcm, whoopsie kcm, notificationhelper kded and kcm (that one is actually a bit fishy because you can have kded4 and 5 running at the same time :S)
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Riddell: xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start
[12:57] <shadeslayer> nothing I can do, just retry the build
[12:59] <mitya57> shadeslayer: passing -a (--auto-servernum) to xvfb-run should help
[13:00] <shadeslayer> hm
[13:00] <shadeslayer> will try
[13:02] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[13:02] <Riddell> apachelogger: since plasma 5 isn't co-installable I don't think the kcms need to be
[13:05] <Riddell> yofel: I'm a bit confused by the if significantChanges bit in sru update, surly if it has changes we want them, that's the point of an update
[13:07] <Riddell> although I suppose adding british english translations to oxygen-icons isn't necessarily worth the 250MB update
[13:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not the same thing though
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: why not?
[13:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: kcms are typically co-installable anyway, the files install to different locations
[13:08] <apachelogger> if you install kubuntu-desktop-next and then downgrade by installing kubuntu-desktop you (should) get the core kcms from kde-workspace(4) back
[13:09] <apachelogger> you wouldn't get our kcms back because they have been version overriden
[13:09] <apachelogger> and since kcms cannot be crossloaded the only way to get them back is through forcefully downgrading the relevant packages or doing a ppa-purge
[13:09] <Riddell> we don't support downgrades
[13:09] <apachelogger> fair enough
[13:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: I hope upstream is ok with us not support that :P
[13:10] <Riddell> this upstream is
[13:12] <apachelogger> actually, with a ppa-purge this actually might be very supportable
[13:12] <apachelogger> everything would get downgraded by a purge anyway
[13:16] <Riddell> where to upload 4.13.3 ?
[13:17] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/staging -> kubuntu-ppa/ppa seems to be the way
[13:22] <apachelogger> yus
[13:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: clear staging first though
[13:22] <apachelogger> people always live crap lingering about :P
[13:23] <apachelogger> s/live/leave
[13:34] <shadeslayer> FYI Kubuntu 5 ISO up at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/
[13:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell think we should announce these?
[13:36] <apachelogger> Riddell, shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1.dsc revuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu plz
[13:38] <shadeslayer> now with torrent http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407251140.iso.torrent
[13:38] <shadeslayer> can someone check if the torrent works?
[13:39] <apachelogger> can you not?
[13:40] <shadeslayer> how can I if I'm the only seeder
[13:40] <apachelogger> veebox for example
[13:40] <apachelogger> not working tho
[13:40] <rdieter> shadeslayer: fwiw, I just tried.  reports 0 seeders (in ktorrent)
[13:40] <apachelogger> or at least I am not finding you
[13:40] <shadeslayer> I can see 1 leecher
[13:40] <shadeslayer> so it's weird
[13:40] <apachelogger> tracker driven torrenting is crap :P
[13:40] <apachelogger> that's why
[13:41] <shadeslayer> what would you recommend
[13:41] <apachelogger> trackerless
[13:41] <shadeslayer> magnet links?
[13:42] <apachelogger> no, tracker less torrents
[13:42] <shadeslayer> magnet:?xt=urn:btih:62e68dd0f8ed8dd2bb753ebec02dc0c953944607&dn=kubuntu5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce
[13:42] <apachelogger> magnets are just torrent file less torrents
[13:42] <apachelogger> they can still have a tracker
[13:42] <shadeslayer> rdieter: try that 
[13:42] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not working for me
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yikes
[13:42] <shadeslayer> and we're on the same lan
[13:43] <apachelogger> clearly your ktorrent is not very sociable 
[13:43] <apachelogger> cp: cannot stat 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/cmake/PolkitQt-1/PolkitQt-1Config.cmake': No such file or directory
[13:43] <rdieter> shadeslayer: ktorrent says downloading/0 peers
[13:43] <apachelogger> you'd think polkit could have kept the same cmake dir 
[13:43] <apachelogger> but you'd be wrong
[13:43]  * apachelogger debugs torrent
[13:44] <shadeslayer> rdieter: add all of these trackers and try ?http://publicbt.com/
[13:44] <rdieter> shadeslayer: if you're the only seeder, you may want to try to manually announce
[13:44] <shadeslayer> rdieter: I did 
[13:45] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what's your public ip
[13:45] <rdieter> (otherwise, I think it updates only ~30 minutes, ok)
[13:45] <shadeslayer>  Your public IP address is 88.3.159.54 - Learn more 
[13:45] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can it be kubuntu-plasma5 instead of kubuntu5 ?
[13:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do you have DHT enabled?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> it can be unicorns5 if you want to call it that
[13:46] <apachelogger> because that's what I meant with trackerless :P
[13:46] <shadeslayer> I do
[13:46] <apachelogger> but it appears your address is rejecting my connection attempts
[13:47] <shadeslayer> aha
[13:47] <shadeslayer> there we go
[13:47] <rdieter> shadeslayer: publicbt.com reports 1 seeder
[13:47] <shadeslayer> short burst of upload speed there
[13:47] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Authentication to 88.3.159.54 : failure
[13:47] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Initiating connection to 88.3.159.54 via (TCP)
[13:48] <shadeslayer> http://imgur.com/t99kRnU
[13:48] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that's possibly the tracker heartbeat
[13:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[13:49] <apachelogger> all possible peers http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855962/
[13:50] <shadeslayer> maybe port is blocked ?
[13:50] <apachelogger> maybe
[13:51] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I think I'd rather call it kubuntu-plasma5 :)
[13:51] <apachelogger> I have found rdieter \o/
, I unfirewalled
[13:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: did you rescue him from being stuck in a large red coloured hat? :)
[13:52] <apachelogger> you people should learn to use upnp :P
[13:52] <apachelogger> anywho
[13:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: probably router blockage
[13:52] <shadeslayer> probably
[13:52] <apachelogger> I also got auth rejections from rdieter previously
[13:52] <Riddell> I still am not torrenting it
[13:52] <Riddell> seeders 0 (1) whatever that means
[13:52] <apachelogger> because you are behind the same router
[13:53] <rdieter> Riddell: did you add the 2nd tracker?  (It did nothing for me until I did so)
[13:53] <shadeslayer> I found rdieter too
[13:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: enable DHT and you should be able to connect to shadeslayer
[13:53] <Riddell> what 2nd tracker?
[13:53] <Riddell> DHT is enabled
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://publicbt.com/
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: then the office router is crap
[13:54] <Riddell> and it can't seem to find shadeslayer even though he's sitting just over there
[13:54] <apachelogger> a tracker is nothing but a 1990's DHT version
[13:54] <shadeslayer> it is quite crap
[13:54] <apachelogger> Riddell: you are being routed through the outside for whatever reason
[13:54] <apachelogger> unless shadeslayer has a local firewall as well ^^
[13:54] <apachelogger> anywho
[13:54] <apachelogger> it works in theory xD
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: try adding 192.168.1.37
[13:56] <apachelogger> rdieter: do you have shadeslayer as a peer?
[13:56] <shadeslayer> rdieter is scored a -50 on here
[13:56] <apachelogger> that's normal
[13:56] <rdieter> apachelogger: not sure who's who.  I have one spain, one austria peer
[13:56] <shadeslayer> maybe ktorrent is shit
[13:56] <shadeslayer> :p
[13:56] <shadeslayer> spain is me
[13:56] <apachelogger> thing is, I just enabled peer exchange so that's DHT^2 but I still don't get shadeslayer 
[13:56] <rdieter> and spain just dropped off my list of peers
[13:56] <apachelogger> rdieter: spain would be shadeslayer then
[13:57] <rdieter> ok
[13:57] <Riddell> spain?  it's Catalunya you imperialist torrenters!
[13:57] <rdieter> now it's back
[13:58] <rdieter> and gone again,wierd
[13:58] <apachelogger> lol Riddell
[13:59] <apachelogger> ohoho
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: ping
[13:59] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: pong
[13:59] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: change your port plz
[13:59] <shadeslayer> we could use S3 buckets to disperse
[13:59] <apachelogger> 6882 or something
[14:00] <shadeslayer> its' 7881
[14:00] <apachelogger> we could just contract cloudfront :P
[14:00] <apachelogger> surely can't be soo expensive
[14:00] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[14:01] <shadeslayer> oh wait, nah, won't work
[14:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: upnp plugin active?
[14:01] <shadeslayer> I was thinking of distributing via google drive :p
[14:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: yes
[14:01] <apachelogger> does it say the port is forwarded
[14:01] <shadeslayer> http://i.imgur.com/dx1O9n5.png
[14:01] <apachelogger> in ktorrent at the bottom there should be a tab
[14:01] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:01] <shadeslayer> I know -.-
[14:02] <apachelogger> pft
[14:02] <apachelogger> why u tell me port is 7881 when that port is not even forwarded :P
[14:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I changed the port to 6969
[14:03] <shadeslayer> screw it
[14:03] <shadeslayer> use s3
[14:03] <shadeslayer> S3 ftw
[14:03] <apachelogger> I think the relevant ktorrent dialog is actually broken xD
[14:04] <rdieter> done testing then? 
[14:04] <shadeslayer> yes, I'm setting up S3 with Riddell
[14:05] <shadeslayer> gives us torrenting for free
[14:05] <tsimpson> someone want to update http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu ?
[14:05] <apachelogger> is that different from a cloudfront?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: well, I know how to work with S3 :p
[14:05] <shadeslayer> but not with cloudfront
[14:05] <shadeslayer> does cloudfront do auto torrenting
[14:05] <apachelogger> aha
[14:06] <apachelogger> I was talking cost :P
[14:06] <apachelogger> cost/benefit
[14:06] <shadeslayer> http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/
[14:06] <Riddell> tsimpson: new md5sums?
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: why do we need that setup anyway xD
[14:06] <apachelogger> right now we only use it internally, do we not?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I thought we were announcing it
[14:07] <shadeslayer> or well
[14:07] <apachelogger> to whom?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> I would like to announce it
[14:07] <apachelogger> or rather why :P
[14:07] <shadeslayer> on planet?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> because shiny new thing?
[14:07] <shadeslayer> more testing?
[14:07] <tsimpson> Riddell: the download points to 14.04 not 14.04.1
[14:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it'll cost 24 USD
[14:08] <shadeslayer> to distrbute 1024 ISO's
[14:08] <Riddell> tsimpson: hmm
[14:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: for distribution you'll want cloudfront I think
[14:09] <apachelogger> not sure s3 is geolocationally mirroring
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: 24usd still seems a lot 
[14:10] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I'd continue trying to get torrents going :P
[14:10] <tsimpson> people downloading the ISO for a fresh install probably do want the point release
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you could put a headless torrent client on qa.kubuntu
[14:11] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wpm
[14:11] <apachelogger> that would supposedly be less error prone
[14:11] <shadeslayer> won't make a difference
[14:11] <shadeslayer> when the server is loaded
[14:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does when there are more peers
[14:11] <apachelogger> and qa.kubuntu we pay anyway and it has no traffic limit
[14:11] <apachelogger> so we get away muchos cheapos
[14:12] <shadeslayer> disk io is shit on that server
[14:12] <shadeslayer> you'll kill it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> or well
[14:12] <shadeslayer> I fear it'll be killed
[14:12] <apachelogger> not with more peers :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> that's the point of torrent to begin with
[14:13] <shadeslayer> hm
[14:13] <apachelogger> even if there's 3 peers and 1 is the server the server still only would have 1/2 the load as bottlenecking disk IO would bottleneck the torrent IO which in turn will result in a lower score (in any decent torrent app anyway)
[14:13] <shadeslayer> ok
[14:13] <Riddell> tsimpson: how's this? kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[14:14] <apachelogger> so in any scenario with >=3 peers the server has <=1/2 of a full iso IO to do
[14:14] <apachelogger> and the more IO it would have to do the less it effectively gets because its score will fall behind any other peer ;)
[14:14] <apachelogger> it's much magic how distributed nonesense scales itself 
[14:14] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: any recommendations for torrent clients on headless servers? :p
[14:14] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no, something secure
[14:14] <apachelogger> possibly something with DHT
[14:15] <shadeslayer> like?
[14:15] <apachelogger> dunno search
[14:15] <apachelogger> I do not really work with that stuff :P
[14:15]  * shadeslayer was thinking utorrent or transmission
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I think alex knows about headless clients
[14:15] <tsimpson> Riddell: that seems to work, just Download mirror and torrent links that need updating too
[14:16]  * apachelogger needs to do buy do some shopping
[14:16] <shadeslayer> that makes no sense
[14:16] <Riddell> tsimpson: torrent updated, download mirrors don't need an updated it's the same page
[14:16]  * shadeslayer thinks it'll easier to cloudfront/S3
[14:17] <apachelogger> and more expensive
[14:17] <apachelogger> stop wasting the moniez
[14:17] <shadeslayer> If I'm spending work hours setting up headless torrent clients, that's still wastage of man hours and hence monies
[14:17] <apachelogger> 24 usd is 10 real money for that amount we can feed one dev for one day ;)
[14:18] <tsimpson> Riddell: ah right, all good then :)
[14:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:18] <Riddell> thanks for the ping tsimpson 
[14:18] <shadeslayer> real money
[14:30] <Riddell> far more important than all this squabbling about how to distribute it, I've added a nice banner http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/
[14:35] <Riddell> oh yes http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/ :)
[14:36] <shadeslayer> heh
[14:39] <shadeslayer> oh oh
[14:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[14:50]  * Riddell high fives sgclark 
[14:50] <Riddell> shadeslayer: can I blog yet?
[14:51] <shadeslayer> nope
[14:52] <sgclark> The requested URL /kubuntu5/ was not found on this server.
[14:52] <yofel> same here ^
[14:52] <sgclark> no testing iso for me :(
[14:52] <Riddell> sgclark: moved to http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/
[14:52] <sgclark> thanks!
[14:55] <Riddell> I'm curious to know if plasma-nm works on it, it didn't in the build I tried but that's an older build
[14:55] <shadeslayer> md5sums and sha256sums up
[14:55]  * yofel zsyncs
[14:55] <shadeslayer> I'm still trying to figure out why the torrent doesn't work
[15:08] <yofel> hm, so I guess this is how sddm is supposed to look like
[15:08] <yofel> although being an iso I should not be seeing that
[15:08] <shadeslayer> can someone check if http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent works
[15:08] <shadeslayer> yofel: kinda, casper needs fixing
[15:09] <shadeslayer> it doesn't take sddm into account
[15:09] <yofel> ah ok, I read that, so it's just not fixed
[15:09] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no seeders or leachers
[15:10] <yofel> (17:10:16) Could not create download: Could not find any trackers
[15:11] <yofel> that torrent file is rather broken
[15:11] <shadeslayer> 0.o
[15:12] <shadeslayer> hm
[15:12] <yofel> so, I see a plasma-nm in kvm with the latest image
[15:12] <yofel> ofc. only shows wired
[15:13] <Riddell> yofel: right, but on my real laptop it doesn't show any wifi networks
[15:14] <yofel> hm, I'll test that once I'm home. Plasma-nm does work fine with wifi on my utopic install on my eeepc
[15:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell try adding udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80  to the trackers
[15:15] <yofel> meh, guess I'll have to use ktorrent
[15:18] <yofel> shadeslayer: yeah, that works
[15:19] <shadeslayer> thought so
[15:19] <yofel> but rtorrent refuses to even read the file 
[15:19] <yofel> as 0 trackers is invalid
[15:20] <yofel> if I open the klipper menu it opens it right on top of the panel -.-
[15:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer, Riddell: y u no revu polkit?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> forgot
[15:23] <shadeslayer> looking now
[15:23] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: no debug package?
[15:24] <apachelogger> never had one
[15:25] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw dht only does not work
[15:26] <shadeslayer> see http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso.torrent
[15:26] <shadeslayer> as soon as I add tracker, download works
[15:27] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it does discover peers apparently
[15:27] <apachelogger> unless that's the porn torrents
[15:27] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:27] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I added qa.kubuntu.co.uk to the list of DHT nodes explicitly
[15:27] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 17:27:40 2014: DHT: Got 1 potential peers for torrent kubuntu5-201407251140.iso
[15:28] <shadeslayer> yeah ktorrent doesn't do shit
[15:28] <apachelogger> ktorrent isn't exactly the best thing in the world
[15:28] <shadeslayer> but it is the thing that mostly everyone will be using
[15:28] <apachelogger> what I see however is that the peer is not the one I see when I ping qa.kubuntu though ^^
[15:29] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:29] <apachelogger>  178.191.5.240 is the one I see
[15:29] <yofel> so, looking at what I can find about the .torrent spec, "announce [the URL of the tracker]" is a required field
[15:29] <yofel> so 0 trackers is an invalid file
[15:29] <apachelogger> who has that ip? :P
[15:29] <apachelogger> entirely possibru
[15:29] <shadeslayer> you
[15:29] <apachelogger> make it magnet
[15:30] <apachelogger> me is that ip?
[15:30] <apachelogger> why am I connecting to me
[15:30] <shadeslayer> it's in austria
[15:30] <apachelogger> this application is really shitty
[15:30] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7856670/
[15:30] <apachelogger> indeed it is me
[15:30] <apachelogger> lol
[15:30] <shadeslayer> :p
[15:30] <apachelogger> why ever would ktorrent talk to itself
[15:31] <shadeslayer> anywy
[15:31] <shadeslayer> going to put one tracker in there
[15:31] <apachelogger> mh
[15:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: are you sure that qa.kubuntu is actually in a DHT
[15:31] <shadeslayer> yes
[15:31] <apachelogger> note that a client by default is not a DHT note
[15:31] <apachelogger> s/note/node
[15:32] <shadeslayer> yes, I added it explicitly
[15:32] <apachelogger> muchos curious
[15:32] <shadeslayer> feel free to create a torrent file
[15:32] <shadeslayer> and send it over to me
[15:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: debian/docs README.porting
[15:32] <shadeslayer> why
[15:32] <shadeslayer> TODO as well
[15:32] <shadeslayer> seems a bit useless
[15:33] <shadeslayer> copyright isn't dep 3
[15:33] <apachelogger> Fr. Jul 25 17:32:42 2014: Error happened during parsing : Unknown DHT rpc call (transaction id = §)
[15:33] <apachelogger> that also makes me very confident xD
[15:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because it's there
[15:33] <apachelogger> what client do you use on dat qa.kubuntu?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> qbittorrent
[15:34] <apachelogger> actually I have some sort of access to that server xD
[15:34] <apachelogger> good thing I put it in my ssh config, I never remember that sort of crap
[15:35] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: can I watch in byobu or something?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> see nohup.out
[15:35] <shadeslayer> in ~
[15:36] <apachelogger> of who
[15:36] <yofel> qbittorrent, on a server o.O?
[15:38] <yofel> why not transmission-daemon or so?
[15:38] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: kubuntu
[15:38] <shadeslayer> yofel: sure, that would work too
[15:38] <shadeslayer> but Qt! :D
[15:38] <shadeslayer> qbittorrent has a nox client
[15:38] <shadeslayer> which is what we're using
[15:39] <apachelogger> naaaaaaaaah
[15:39] <apachelogger> one ^D too much
[15:39] <apachelogger> noooooooo
[15:39] <apachelogger> I have nesting doll ssh sessions it's quite mad right now
[15:39] <yofel> there is the thing about choosing the right tool for the job you know ^^
[15:40] <yofel> it's even more fun if you go and nest tmux in nested ssh sessions
[15:40] <yofel> supreme mess
[15:40] <apachelogger> jebus
[15:40] <apachelogger> currently I am laptop -> otherlaptop -> workstation -> elsewhere
[15:40] <apachelogger> elsewhere sometimes does entail a screen xD
[15:41] <yofel> wouldn't be much better for me right now. work -> server -> notebook -> qa
[15:41] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that output is not terrible verbose is it 
[15:41] <apachelogger> turn on tha debug mode
[15:42] <apachelogger> yofel: at least you have a sensible excuse
[15:42] <apachelogger> I just cannot be bothered to get my keys ^^
[15:42] <yofel> heh
[15:42] <apachelogger> so I go through the nodes where I have keys until I get to my workstation
[15:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: afaict polkit is fine
[15:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[15:49] <Riddell> "Description: PolicyKit-qt5-1 library" apachelogger description a bit lax
[15:51] <Riddell> apachelogger: "Depends: ${misc:Depends}, ${shlibs:Depends}, consolekit" really?
[15:51] <Riddell> isn't consolekit dead?
[15:53] <Riddell> "It was downloaded from ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/stable/apps/KDE4.x/admin/" copyright may need updated
[15:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: no
[15:59] <apachelogger> that's actually where it is from
[15:59] <apachelogger> ...
[15:59] <apachelogger> go figure
[15:59]  * apachelogger rolls eyes
[15:59] <Riddell> oh ok
[15:59] <Riddell> apachelogger: dpkg-source: error: Version number suggests Ubuntu changes, but Maintainer: does not have Ubuntu address
[16:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: E: polkit-qt5-1 source: version-substvar-for-external-package libpolkit-qt5-1-dev -> libpolkit-qt-1-1
[16:01] <apachelogger> ohohoho
[16:01] <apachelogger> fixed
[16:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: regarding maintainer
[16:01] <apachelogger> that was already in 4.x
[16:02] <apachelogger> in fact the divergence came from us depending on consolekit
[16:02] <apachelogger> so I am not sure how to proceed
[16:02] <Riddell> that was iain lane says changelog
[16:02] <Riddell> "* Add Depends on consolekit, since we're using its D-Bus API"
[16:03] <Riddell> core/polkitqt1-authority.cpp:    QString consoleKitService("org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit");
[16:03] <Riddell> suggests it is indeed using it
[16:03] <Riddell> so I guess keep it
[16:03] <apachelogger> yeah, I don't question that, I am not sure about the maintainer though :P
[16:03] <apachelogger> technically it should be changed
[16:03] <apachelogger> but meh :P
[16:04] <apachelogger> update-maintainer 
[16:04] <apachelogger> The original maintainer is: Debian Qt/KDE Maintainers <debian-qt-kde@lists.debian.org>
[16:04] <apachelogger> Resetting as: Ubuntu Developers <ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com>
[16:04] <apachelogger> hooray for scripts
[16:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: maintainer also fixed
[16:05] <apachelogger> that's also a very useless field on our end
[16:05] <apachelogger> in fact for quite some software it's even useless on the debian side because there's also team maintainership going on  -.-
[16:06] <apachelogger> plus, who cares anyway :P
[16:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: add in XSBC-Original-Maintainer: of course
[16:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: 
[16:13] <Riddell> apachelogger: all good otherwise
[16:41] <apachelogger> script does orig-maintainer actualy
[16:48] <kubotu> feed branches had 21 updates, showing the latest 6
[16:56] <sgclark> Riddell: ok to delete 4.13.90 from ninjas?
[17:16] <soee> if kmix does not show sup in systry by default it is some bug ?
[17:19] <shadeslayer> sgclark: is 4.13.95 up?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> soee: in plasma5
[17:20] <shadeslayer> ?
[17:20] <sgclark> shadeslayer: soon, libs failed, looking now
[17:20] <shadeslayer> sgclark: but was that uploaded to a PPA or the archive
[17:21] <sgclark> shadeslayer: I am uploading 4.13.95 to ninjas now. I do not know what is going on with 4.13.90 because I was at OSCON last few days.
[17:21] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:22] <shadeslayer> sgclark: plz rebuild analitza
[17:22] <sgclark> so I was asking :)
[17:22] <sgclark> ?
[17:22] <shadeslayer> I don't follow :D
[17:23] <santa_> Riddell: hello, I think the next thing I'm going to do is trying to get a smooth upgrade to plasma 5 when someone have installed kde-standard  or kde-full. wrt that I'm inclined to think naming khelpcenter binary package khelpcenter5 would be a good thing
[17:23] <shadeslayer> ah
[17:23] <santa_> let me pastebin something
[17:23] <sgclark> I don't follow rebuilding, I have not even uploaded it yet
[17:23] <shadeslayer> right, before uploading, please run the script for analitza again
[17:23] <shadeslayer> I fixed some symbols
[17:24] <sgclark> shadeslayer: ahhh ok, got it
[17:24]  * shadeslayer does hot fix for package in archive
[17:25] <sgclark> Riddell: crazy ontology ndo.trig error again...
[17:25]  * sgclark is halted in her tracks
[17:25] <shadeslayer> FYI Riddell is out
[17:25] <sgclark> welp, guess I am done haha
[17:25] <shadeslayer> I can have a look at it
[17:25] <shadeslayer> what did you guys do the last time
[17:26] <sgclark> thanks, he had to upload to proposed last time
[17:26] <shadeslayer> ok, lets just do that then
[17:26] <sgclark> crazy thing is it builds there and locally, we can't figure out why ppas hates it so
[17:26] <shadeslayer> I'll do it in a  bit
[17:26] <sgclark> ty
[17:27] <sgclark> nepomuk-core had same issue. is he gone for the day?
[17:27] <santa_> shadeslayer: ah, thanks
[17:28] <shadeslayer> more or less
[17:29] <sgclark> ok, nepomuk-core has several deps that had to go as well, perhaps I should wait till Monday, or will you be around?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> I'm around
[17:31] <shadeslayer> just upload to ninjas and I'll adjust things in the changelog and upload
[17:31] <shadeslayer> my internet is pretty shit though
[17:31] <sgclark> ok, I will ping you then when the time comes, thanks!
[17:31] <shadeslayer> cheers, np
[17:31] <shadeslayer> though I'm only around for an hour :p
[17:32] <sgclark> we'll get done what we can lol
[17:36]  * yofel will be around after that
[17:37] <sgclark> ok, great thanks
[17:40] <shadeslayer> kdelibs is up
[18:04] <shadeslayer> sgclark: do I have to upload nepomuk too?
[18:04] <sgclark> shadeslayer: waiting for libs to finish before uploading the rest
[18:07] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:15] <shadeslayer> ok, I'm heading home
[18:15] <shadeslayer> cya on Monday
[18:18] <yofel> have a nice weekend
[19:02] <soee> shadeslayer: yes in plasma5
[19:04] <soee> what does it mean: QLayout: Cannot add null widget to QHBoxLayout/
[19:09] <sgclark> yofel: baloo, kfilemetadata and nepomuk-core will need to be uploaded to proposed when you have time.
[19:13]  * sgclark is afk a bit
[19:14] <lordievader> Good evening.
[19:30] <yofel> sgclark: looking
[19:43] <yofel> kfilemetadata up
[20:26] <valorie> hmmm, update today errored out: paste.kde.org/pkhwalus9
[20:26] <valorie> or maybe that should have been in #project-neon
[20:27] <sgclark> prolly, I don't know anything of neon sorry :(
[20:29] <sgclark> yofel: also I am still baffled on getting a status page. I am suppose to update a conf file I can't find for crontab or some such. Can you help?
[20:30] <yofel> sure, let me dig up where that was again
[20:31] <yofel> sgclark: /home/kubuntu/kubuntu-automation/kubuntu-automation/utopic.conf on qa.kubuntu.co.uk
[20:34] <yofel> I changed it to 4.13.95 now
[20:37] <sgclark> yofel: thanks!
[20:45] <yofel> hm, baloo needs kdepimlibs
[20:45]  * yofel looks at that
[20:50] <santa_> anything wrong with the build farm? I have a few experimental packages waiting to build
[20:52] <yofel> a couple are offline and there's an 1 hour queue, but that's all it seems https://launchpad.net/builders
[20:52] <sgclark> aside from have tons building or in que? not that I know of
[20:54] <sgclark> yofel: I had to fix an install file with baloo as well, so will need ppa2
[20:54] <yofel> I'll just take what's in bzr, so make sure it's committed
[20:54] <sgclark> yep :)
[20:57] <yofel> kdepimlibs uploaded
[21:41] <soee_> hmm, after i pluged in my usb stick
[21:41] <soee_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7859406/
[22:07] <yofel> sgclark: I see no update for baloo, did you commit that?
[22:08] <sgclark> hmm, debcommit -a ? does not push?
[22:08] <yofel> pushes if the branch is bound
[22:09] <yofel> checkout makes a bound branch, branch an unbound one. You can also manually un/bind branches
[22:09] <sgclark> gosh, it is a bzr branch from initial upload, I don't know where that puts things :(
[22:10] <yofel> oh, that's a branch, go in there and run 'bzr push :parent'
[22:11] <sgclark> yofel: thanks! pushed
[22:12] <yofel> there we go :)
[22:17] <sgclark> yofel: I have to step out for a bit. I will get to the bits (if any) that need attention after nepomuk-core clears sometime this weekend. Thanks for all of your help.
[22:18] <yofel> I'll look at core in a bit
[22:18] <yofel> you're welcome, thanks for looking at .95
[22:19] <yofel> - (optional=gccinternal|arch=)_ZN6Xapian18ValuePostingSourceD0Ev@Base 4:4.12.80
[22:19]  * yofel wonders how an empty arch setting got in there o.O
[22:19] <sgclark> odd, no idea
[22:20]  * sgclark is now leaving
[22:48]  * yofel throws an empty bottle after shadeslayer for not committing is kde4libs upload to bzr
[23:36] <valorie> on above discussion re: torrents, I was not able to get the qa.kub link to work even for the banner
[23:36] <valorie> and nada on any links for the kubuntu5 torrent
[23:37] <valorie> ooo, it was just slow
[23:37] <valorie> but it shows no seeders
[23:37] <valorie> sadness
[23:39] <valorie> I do have all the *buntu 14.04.1 torrents seeding
[23:43] <valorie> now off for a bit