[01:05] Riddell: It didn't fit with anything else because it's not just 14.04/14.10 (the kdelibs thing) [01:08] apachelogger: Admin'ed ALL the people. [06:42] apachelogger: I will rename my launchpad to ovidiu-florin, if I'm allowed to have an - in there [06:42] if not, I'll stick to this one [06:45] apachelogger: I'll get back to you on this one [06:51] apachelogger: I've renamed to ovidiu-florin [06:51] apachelogger: I thought it was going to ne @kubuntu.org not @ubuntu.com [06:59] you should get both, kubuntu members get @kubuntu.org and ubuntu members get @ubuntu.com [06:59] and all kubuntu members are also ubuntu members [07:22] shadeslayer: if you link into two autostart dirs you either cause pointless work, race conditional bogus behavior or actually start the software twice... [08:47] if you change a quilt package to a native package lintian will have a stroke when you run it on the package [08:48] I think a little lintian gnome just jumped off a cliff somewhere [08:52] lubuntu using dolphin? http://lubuntublog.blogspot.com.es/2014/07/box-for-qt.html [08:54] ah no they're just testing their Box widget theme with qt5 [08:57] uploading a preliminary qapt3 to stage [09:24] yay [09:28] # [09:28] "spotify: error while loading shared libraries: libudev.so.0: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64" why does spotify not work on a plasma5 image install? [09:28] that library doesn't even exist [09:30] which is probably why it fails :P [09:31] utopic has udev1 I think [09:34] good morning [09:38] waa! [09:39] no spotify? having to live with the web client? waa [09:39] #thatiswhatyougetforusingproprietarysoftware [09:40] yeah yeah, there was me trying to lose my religion and now you give it straight back [09:44] Riddell: spotify does not work on Utopic or what do you mean by plasam5 image install ? [09:46] soee: yes utopic [09:46] Riddell: because spotify hates you, hate it back it works for me ;) [09:46] Riddell: spotify works for me [09:47] soee: you just said it didn't work on utopic [09:48] more importantly why does firefox not refresh graphics when I switch to it [09:48] Riddell: i asked if it does not work for you :) [09:49] I suppose one could try linking udev1 to udev0 and see if spotify gets a symbol error :P [09:50] oh weird [09:50] I had the i386 version installed [09:50] but there is also an amd64 version [09:51] what the heck made it install i386? [09:53] and now utopic chroots are broken for builds [09:54] much lovely [10:00] new usb-creator works flawlessly \o/ [10:01] boot loader creation not so much though -.- [10:06] ooh nice [10:06] apart from it not working [10:08] so what shall I do today? 4.14 beta 3? 4.13.3? or more plasma 5 foo? I guess not much poking of packages possible until buildds get fixed [10:13] Riddell: ppas work interestingly enough [10:14] plasma failed at :46, I uploaded qapt at :54, qapt finished fine apparently [10:18] Riddell: [10:18] dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/qml-module-org-kde-runnermodel_5.0.0-0ubuntu2~ubuntu14.10~ppa1_amd64.deb (--unpack): [10:19] trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/qml/org/kde/runnermodel/qmldir', which is also in package libkf5runner-bin 5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa5 [10:21] oh did I forget a replaces/breaks? [10:21] yofel: there's no branches for 4.13 backports in 14.04lts yet are there? [10:22] Riddell: apparently [10:22] backports, you mean updates? no [10:22] * apachelogger notes that qapt has worker issues now -.- [10:23] Couldn't register service "Connection ":1.67" is not allowed to own the service "org.kubuntu.qaptworker2" due to security policies in the configuration file" [10:23] wtf [10:23] yofel: right updates [10:28] one can still link against the wrong polkit [10:28] ffs [10:29] Riddell: +1 for 4.14 beta 3 :) [10:30] though i think 4.13.3 is very important for a lot of users [10:35] Riddell: we have no polkitqt5 packaged? Oo [10:36] apachelogger: it doesn't exist [10:36] it has about 3 ports none of which are official or released [10:36] * Riddell publishes http://kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-14.04.1 [10:36] apachelogger: and consequently kauth is all broken [10:38] Riddell: in git I see one tag [10:38] which makes it rather official [10:41] not that I could actually find a tarball or announcement [10:41] * apachelogger sighs [10:41] #kubuntu [12:34] Is there a timeline when the LTS upgrade in Muon will be offered? [10:41] how does the upgrade worgs through muon ? [10:41] is it released already for upgrades ? [10:42] mgraesslin: are my configs busted or do apps not get focused when started in 5.0? [10:42] soee: when .1 is released [10:42] apachelogger: that was yesteday [10:43] mgraesslin: e.g. I am in konsole hit ctrl-esc to start ksysguard, except it gets no focus [10:43] it needs http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts to be updatd [10:43] Riddell: better poke infinity then? :P [10:43] apachelogger: I just started kwrite through krunner and it got focus [10:43] apachelogger: soee: looks like he's waiting until the chroot foo is settled [10:43] apachelogger: not sure whether triggering by shortcut does set the right timestamp [10:44] so focus stealing prevention might kick in [10:44] fun [10:44] mgraesslin: do you want a bug report for that? and if so against which product [10:44] apachelogger, soee: oh no there's an upgrade crasher bug that server have found so waiting for that to be resolved [10:45] apachelogger: no, as that first needs investigation which product is at fault here [10:45] apachelogger: in 9 out of 10 cases it's the app [10:45] no that's wrong: in 11 out of 10 [10:46] lol [10:46] we had exactly one bug concerning focus handling introduced during 5 porting - but it's fixed a long time [10:46] and that was probably the first bug in that area since I'm working on KWin [10:47] mgraesslin: there must be something else [10:47] mgraesslin: if I start a gui from konsole it also doesn't get focus [10:48] it's not all though [10:48] very suspicious [10:48] mgraesslin: I'll investigate a bit more [10:48] test with Qt4 vs Qt5 [10:49] probably not that [10:49] well just started a Qt4 app from konsole and it got focus [10:49] konsole(4) -> systemsettings(5) gets focus .... -> ksysguard(5) gets no focus ... -> dolphin(4) gets focus [10:49] mgraesslin: it's not all of them, it's somewhat random [10:50] oh I'm sure it's not random [10:50] mhh, when I run one of our apps through sudo it also doesn't get focus [10:50] mgraesslin: well, not completely random it just doesn't affect all apps ^^ [10:50] it's either something like no longer using kdelibs4 [10:50] so far I see it only affecting qt5 apps though [10:51] nope [10:51] mgraesslin: I am running a pyqt5 app and it also doesn't get focus [10:52] well that's also using the qt5 xcb plugin [10:52] yofel: hmm I'm not convinced we have a nice automated way to do this [10:52] making the branches I think I need to get the current ones and work out how to branch them before any utopic work [10:52] why would you branch anything? [10:52] mgraesslin: another pyqt5 app gets focus ^^ [10:53] apachelogger: *shrug* - figure out the difference [10:54] yofel: where would I get the packaging from? [10:54] Riddell: what exactly are you trying to do? I'm a bit confused [10:54] yofel: package 4.13.3 [10:55] for trusty? use the script? That pulls the packages from trusty-updates [10:55] I tried making SRU branches for saucy, too much of a hassle really [10:56] yofel: which script? [10:56] kubuntu-initial-upload? [10:56] --sru [10:56] apachelogger: what you can also try is check how kwin4 behaves - if kwin4 shows same behavior it's the apps to blema [10:56] nice typo :-) [10:57] yofel: that uses pull-ppa-source ? [10:57] that uses pull-lp-source IIRC [10:57] i.e. the previous SRU has to be done before you can use it [10:58] it does pull from trusty-proposed too though [10:58] oh it uses pull-lp-source [11:01] mgraesslin: can not replicate with kwin4 [11:01] you'll have to keep an eye to it as --sru is interactive, it'll ask you Y/n if it finds some diff in a file that's not whitelisted (e.g. a cmake fix or so) [11:01] apachelogger: ok, so it might be a kwin5 problem [11:02] let's see if a new user has this behavior as well though [11:02] pull-lp-source: Error: Unable to retrieve package information from DDE: http://dde.debian.net/dde/q/udd/dist/d:ubuntu/r:trusty/p:amor/?t=json ( I wonder if that's something I should care about [11:04] I don't *think* so... you will get failure messages because the package won't be in -proposed, it then retries in -updates/release [11:05] grr, gpg-agent doesn't run in this plasma 5 install [11:05] I wonder what I'm missing, that stuff is spooky voodoo [11:05] gpg-agent doesn't start here anymore either, and this is kde4. If you figure out what your issue is please tell me [11:05] mgraesslin: also happens with new user FWIW [11:06] ok [11:06] Riddell: does breeze-cursor have no debian alaternative integration? Oo [11:07] apachelogger: probably not [11:07] yofel: gpg-agent --daemon seems to be the manual fix [11:10] hmm seems to be updating from 4.13.0 rather than 4.13.1 [11:11] it'll update from whatever is in trusty, which is a mix of .0, .1 and .2 [11:12] mgraesslin: minimal pyqt5 example http://paste.ubuntu.com/7854824/ which fails to get focus [11:12] apachelogger: I'm not sure whether that should get focus at all [11:12] I would need to investigate how the focus stealing prevention works [11:13] and how much KApplication played a part in it [11:13] which won't happen before my vacations :-P [11:13] yofel: ah I see [11:13] mgraesslin: all I can say is that it is highly annoying [11:13] apachelogger: feel free to report a bug and remind me when I'm back from vacations [11:13] i.e. I almost exclusively start things from a terminal and my taskbar is crowded like there's free stuff ;) [11:14] so very annoying to have to find the task in the bar and activate it ^^ [11:14] mgraesslin: ok will do, thanks [11:51] Riddell: are you going to look into polkit? [11:52] Riddell, shadeslayer, yofel: should I make our packages coinstallable with 4.x? [11:53] otherwise one can switch to plasma5 but if one then wants to switch back to 4.x the kcms for example won't be there because the new package has a greater version [12:03] ohohoho [12:03] i see some packages with version 4.13.90 in updates [12:03] this is part of 4.14 beta ? [12:06] Riddell, shadeslayer: https://plus.google.com/112818337850093230691/posts/CLXoVfKVumy shouldn't we force sni-qt into systems somehow? [12:06] I guess dep via plasma-desktop [12:07] shadeslayer: ping [12:11] mhall119: everyone is out for lunch right now [12:14] oh, is it that dev sprint this week? [12:16] mhall119: no, just a coincidence, although Riddell and shadeslayer work out of the same office so they usually disappear around the same time for lunch ^^ [12:16] agateau: ping, did the systray sni stuff in qt get backported to 5.3? [12:17] apachelogger: forward ported, you mean? :) [12:17] somewhere ported [12:17] apachelogger: I don't know, I haven't touched it myself [12:17] IIRC it was in master a while ago already but inclusion into stable was not clear [12:18] https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8 [12:18] good thing martin disappeared again xD [12:22] http://www.datamation.com/open-source/best-linux-desktop-kdes-plasma-1.html [12:24] lates updates -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855346/ [12:27] Riddell, Mirv: I think we need to patchy patch https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qtbase/commit/f1ee10f81ac18789e9a7dc715b464415ba2bc2b8 into 5.3 to prevent qt apps from having no systray in plasma5 [12:36] apachelogger: polkit scares me [12:37] apachelogger: make what packages coinstallable? [12:37] morning [12:37] sgclark! [12:37] you're back! [12:37] I missed you [12:38] awww :) yeah OSCON is done. [12:38] apachelogger: patch for systray would be good [12:38] sgclark: any kde love there? [12:38] That was interesting haha. [12:38] Riddell: nope :( except what I snuck in [12:39] Positive response from folks I talked to though [12:40] next year you'll know all about how to do a KDE and Kubuntu stall :) [12:40] Riddell: I had this brilliant idea to upgrade my laptop last night. But I should be ready for tasks shortly. [12:41] Riddell: hehe yep :) [12:43] Plasma 5 is running like a dream on this old cheapo pc btw [12:43] yay [12:46] ok, laptop rebooted and it has not exploded, if there is anything you need me to do let me know [12:47] shadeslayer: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/179698729/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.kitemmodels_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz [12:48] sgclark: I guess you can crack on with the 4.13.95 beta 2 [12:49] http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.14-beta2.php [12:49] Riddell: crack on, as in needs initial upload or ? [12:49] yeah initial upload [12:49] woot! ok on it :) [12:49] ninjas private again? [12:50] yeah [12:50] k [12:50] I've updated your key on docs server so you should be able to ssh sgclark@qa.kubuntu.co.uk to update the cron [12:51] wonderful ty [12:54] Riddell: coinstallability: about-distro kcm, whoopsie kcm, notificationhelper kded and kcm (that one is actually a bit fishy because you can have kded4 and 5 running at the same time :S) [12:57] Riddell: xvfb-run: error: Xvfb failed to start [12:57] nothing I can do, just retry the build [12:59] shadeslayer: passing -a (--auto-servernum) to xvfb-run should help [13:00] hm [13:00] will try [13:02] 'Morning folks [13:02] apachelogger: since plasma 5 isn't co-installable I don't think the kcms need to be [13:05] yofel: I'm a bit confused by the if significantChanges bit in sru update, surly if it has changes we want them, that's the point of an update [13:07] although I suppose adding british english translations to oxygen-icons isn't necessarily worth the 250MB update [13:07] Riddell: it's not the same thing though [13:08] apachelogger: why not? [13:08] apachelogger: kcms are typically co-installable anyway, the files install to different locations [13:08] if you install kubuntu-desktop-next and then downgrade by installing kubuntu-desktop you (should) get the core kcms from kde-workspace(4) back [13:09] you wouldn't get our kcms back because they have been version overriden [13:09] and since kcms cannot be crossloaded the only way to get them back is through forcefully downgrading the relevant packages or doing a ppa-purge [13:09] we don't support downgrades [13:09] fair enough [13:09] Riddell: I hope upstream is ok with us not support that :P [13:10] this upstream is [13:12] actually, with a ppa-purge this actually might be very supportable [13:12] everything would get downgraded by a purge anyway [13:16] where to upload 4.13.3 ? [13:17] kubuntu-ppa/staging -> kubuntu-ppa/ppa seems to be the way [13:22] yus [13:22] Riddell: clear staging first though [13:22] people always live crap lingering about :P [13:23] s/live/leave [13:34] FYI Kubuntu 5 ISO up at http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync | http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/ === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | Congrats to our newest kubuntu-member: ovidiu-florin | Kubuntu 5 Test ISO's http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync [13:35] apachelogger: Riddell think we should announce these? [13:36] Riddell, shadeslayer: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1.dsc revuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu plz [13:38] now with torrent http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-201407251140.iso.torrent [13:38] can someone check if the torrent works? [13:39] can you not? [13:40] how can I if I'm the only seeder [13:40] veebox for example [13:40] not working tho [13:40] shadeslayer: fwiw, I just tried. reports 0 seeders (in ktorrent) [13:40] or at least I am not finding you [13:40] I can see 1 leecher [13:40] so it's weird [13:40] tracker driven torrenting is crap :P [13:40] that's why [13:41] what would you recommend [13:41] trackerless [13:41] magnet links? [13:42] no, tracker less torrents [13:42] magnet:?xt=urn:btih:62e68dd0f8ed8dd2bb753ebec02dc0c953944607&dn=kubuntu5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80%2Fannounce [13:42] magnets are just torrent file less torrents [13:42] they can still have a tracker [13:42] rdieter: try that [13:42] shadeslayer: not working for me [13:42] yikes [13:42] and we're on the same lan [13:43] clearly your ktorrent is not very sociable [13:43] cp: cannot stat 'debian/tmp/usr/lib/cmake/PolkitQt-1/PolkitQt-1Config.cmake': No such file or directory [13:43] shadeslayer: ktorrent says downloading/0 peers [13:43] you'd think polkit could have kept the same cmake dir [13:43] but you'd be wrong [13:43] * apachelogger debugs torrent [13:44] rdieter: add all of these trackers and try ?http://publicbt.com/ [13:44] shadeslayer: if you're the only seeder, you may want to try to manually announce [13:44] rdieter: I did [13:45] shadeslayer: what's your public ip [13:45] (otherwise, I think it updates only ~30 minutes, ok) [13:45] Your public IP address is 88.3.159.54 - Learn more [13:45] shadeslayer: can it be kubuntu-plasma5 instead of kubuntu5 ? [13:46] shadeslayer: do you have DHT enabled? [13:46] it can be unicorns5 if you want to call it that [13:46] because that's what I meant with trackerless :P [13:46] I do [13:46] but it appears your address is rejecting my connection attempts [13:47] aha [13:47] there we go [13:47] shadeslayer: publicbt.com reports 1 seeder [13:47] short burst of upload speed there [13:47] Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Authentication to 88.3.159.54 : failure [13:47] Fr. Jul 25 15:47:24 2014: Initiating connection to 88.3.159.54 via (TCP) [13:48] http://imgur.com/t99kRnU [13:48] shadeslayer: that's possibly the tracker heartbeat [13:48] feed branches had 25 updates, showing the latest 6 [13:49] all possible peers http://paste.ubuntu.com/7855962/ [13:50] maybe port is blocked ? [13:50] maybe [13:51] shadeslayer: I think I'd rather call it kubuntu-plasma5 :) [13:51] I have found rdieter \o/ [13:51] , I unfirewalled [13:51] apachelogger: did you rescue him from being stuck in a large red coloured hat? :) [13:52] you people should learn to use upnp :P [13:52] anywho [13:52] shadeslayer: probably router blockage [13:52] probably [13:52] I also got auth rejections from rdieter previously [13:52] I still am not torrenting it [13:52] seeders 0 (1) whatever that means [13:52] because you are behind the same router [13:53] Riddell: did you add the 2nd tracker? (It did nothing for me until I did so) [13:53] I found rdieter too [13:53] Riddell: enable DHT and you should be able to connect to shadeslayer [13:53] what 2nd tracker? [13:53] DHT is enabled [13:53] Riddell: http://publicbt.com/ [13:54] Riddell: then the office router is crap [13:54] and it can't seem to find shadeslayer even though he's sitting just over there [13:54] a tracker is nothing but a 1990's DHT version [13:54] it is quite crap [13:54] Riddell: you are being routed through the outside for whatever reason [13:54] unless shadeslayer has a local firewall as well ^^ [13:54] anywho [13:54] it works in theory xD [13:55] Riddell: try adding 192.168.1.37 [13:56] rdieter: do you have shadeslayer as a peer? [13:56] rdieter is scored a -50 on here [13:56] that's normal [13:56] apachelogger: not sure who's who. I have one spain, one austria peer [13:56] maybe ktorrent is shit [13:56] :p [13:56] spain is me [13:56] thing is, I just enabled peer exchange so that's DHT^2 but I still don't get shadeslayer [13:56] and spain just dropped off my list of peers [13:56] rdieter: spain would be shadeslayer then [13:57] ok [13:57] spain? it's Catalunya you imperialist torrenters! [13:57] now it's back [13:58] and gone again,wierd [13:58] lol Riddell [13:59] ohoho [13:59] shadeslayer: ping [13:59] apachelogger: pong [13:59] shadeslayer: change your port plz [13:59] we could use S3 buckets to disperse [13:59] 6882 or something [14:00] its' 7881 [14:00] we could just contract cloudfront :P [14:00] surely can't be soo expensive [14:00] oh oh oh [14:01] oh wait, nah, won't work [14:01] shadeslayer: upnp plugin active? [14:01] I was thinking of distributing via google drive :p [14:01] apachelogger: yes [14:01] does it say the port is forwarded [14:01] http://i.imgur.com/dx1O9n5.png [14:01] in ktorrent at the bottom there should be a tab [14:01] yes [14:01] I know -.- [14:02] pft [14:02] why u tell me port is 7881 when that port is not even forwarded :P [14:02] apachelogger: I changed the port to 6969 [14:03] screw it [14:03] use s3 [14:03] S3 ftw [14:03] I think the relevant ktorrent dialog is actually broken xD [14:04] done testing then? [14:04] yes, I'm setting up S3 with Riddell [14:05] gives us torrenting for free [14:05] someone want to update http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu ? [14:05] is that different from a cloudfront? [14:05] apachelogger: well, I know how to work with S3 :p [14:05] but not with cloudfront [14:05] does cloudfront do auto torrenting [14:05] aha [14:06] I was talking cost :P [14:06] cost/benefit [14:06] http://aws.amazon.com/s3/pricing/ [14:06] tsimpson: new md5sums? [14:06] shadeslayer: why do we need that setup anyway xD [14:06] right now we only use it internally, do we not? [14:07] I thought we were announcing it [14:07] or well [14:07] to whom? [14:07] I would like to announce it [14:07] or rather why :P [14:07] on planet? [14:07] because shiny new thing? [14:07] more testing? [14:07] Riddell: the download points to 14.04 not 14.04.1 [14:08] apachelogger: it'll cost 24 USD [14:08] to distrbute 1024 ISO's [14:08] tsimpson: hmm [14:09] shadeslayer: for distribution you'll want cloudfront I think [14:09] not sure s3 is geolocationally mirroring [14:10] shadeslayer: 24usd still seems a lot [14:10] shadeslayer: I'd continue trying to get torrents going :P [14:10] people downloading the ISO for a fresh install probably do want the point release [14:11] shadeslayer: you could put a headless torrent client on qa.kubuntu [14:11] apachelogger: wpm [14:11] that would supposedly be less error prone [14:11] won't make a difference [14:11] when the server is loaded [14:11] shadeslayer: it does when there are more peers [14:11] and qa.kubuntu we pay anyway and it has no traffic limit [14:11] so we get away muchos cheapos [14:12]