[06:17] knome: updated the torrent links [06:18] ochosi: ^^ [09:30] thanks a bunch elfy! [10:25] elfy, cheers [12:07] is this a regression caused by the recent xfpm sru update? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2236184 [12:10] shouldn't be. The update doesn't change the functionality of xfpm, and keeps the default setting of letting logind do its own thing [12:11] if the system is suspending on lid close, it's logind [12:11] right ochosi ^ ? [12:13] lemme check, currently distracted [12:13] just noticed this forum thread, made me wonder [12:23] just read through that now [12:24] the thread starter mentions that this was caused by a very recent update [12:25] also mentions systemd - if they're running with systemd - do they get the same issue if running upstart [12:25] but it's xubuntu 14.04 [12:26] but we use upstart not systemd - no-one uses systemd at present - other than those testing it [12:27] they call it systemd, but it's only logind [12:27] aah ok - not read it properly [12:28] so we got this one report here, maybe it's indeed a regression, maybe not [12:28] at least the black screen madness is fixed now :) [12:32] i can't look at the exact changeset for xfpm now as i'm focussing on other things atm, but this shouldn't be a regression [12:33] all it should do is let logind handle the suspending in case it's also set to lock the session [12:34] but if you set it to not suspend, it should still follow that setting [12:36] ok then [12:39] so xfpm should take precedence in all cases but one, which is if it is set to suspend+lock, then it'll let logind do its thing [12:40] oh.. bug 1347272 [12:40] bug 1347272 in dbus (Ubuntu) "DBus communication problems affecting multiple packages" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347272 [12:40] some sort of meta bug report [12:42] marked as critical... [12:43] where is ali1234? =S [12:43] yay, a bug report that reports existing bugs [12:50] bluesabre: just double checking that mugshot has changed to only use a camera or browse now? [12:51] testcase is still referring to slect from stock [13:04] elfy, select from stock is only visible when the stock photos directory is present (there is a gnome package that installs these items) [13:05] ok - so in general for US it is not? [13:05] yes, unless we want to add some faces at some point :) [13:05] /usr/share/pixmaps/faces/ [13:06] ok - we can change the test when/if that happens [13:06] cool [13:06] in the meantime - elfy reports testcase bug and fixes it :p [13:06] :D [13:15] sigh - seems that mimetypes or something are all mucked up somehow - text file default is abiword [13:15] right, we were thinking about this, gdm installs some stock photos for gnome [13:16] purging abiword to deal with that [13:16] elfy: clean user account? [13:17] brainwash: we might be thinking about it - but at present the option doesn't appear in mugshot [13:17] this is more or less a clean account [13:17] sigh now it wants to use lo writer [13:17] what a mess :) [13:18] yep [13:18] installing windows to deal with it [13:18] i've always felt like mime type associations never were the strong selling point of *any* OS... [13:19] mmm - so properties on the file is pointing to mousepad [15:51] elfy, fixed released: bug 1347705 [15:51] bug 1347705 in shimmer-themes (Ubuntu) "Split theme packages do not properly declare conflicts" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1347705 [15:57] but, maybe not built in the archive yet... [16:01] awesome - I'll wait for it :) [16:13] great bluesabre, thanks! [16:27] it's in the archive now [16:52] upgraded those [16:53] it's formatted / to ntfs - is that right :p [18:45] :D [18:45] Going to release the release announcement? [18:48] We probably should at some point, eh? [18:49] ochosi knome elfy ^ [18:49] i dunno [18:49] has somebody from the release team "signed off" that the article is okay? [18:50] i can publish it if ACK'd [18:50] is the photo caption css fixed? looks to be wider than the photo [18:50] any photo should have the same issue, so... [18:52] I'm not sure if it should have ALL of the stuff from the lts release announcement [18:52] not had time to fiddle with it anymore [18:52] me neither, but otoh it doesn't hurt [18:52] we need pleia2 for a css fix [18:52] from my pov it's okayish, but i have little xp with release announcements [18:53] g2g [18:53] ttyl [18:53] well it's got the correct dl link in it and the sru fixes [18:54] Yeah, everything looks good to me [18:54] bluesabre: you're editing it - can you blitz all the other efforts and thanks bit from it [18:54] i'll do a manual fix for the image [18:54] not editing now [18:54] ...once sean releases the edit lock ;) [18:55] says to me you are [18:55] and me [18:55] please leave the edit page whenever you're not editing [18:55] knome, feel free to destroy as elfy indicated above [18:55] I left [18:55] and logged out to make sure [18:56] the image is manually fixed now [18:56] it looks crap in the editor [18:56] but who cares! [18:56] i've also left the edit page [18:57] telling me you've not [18:57] lol [18:57] just go ahead [18:57] and let's see if it saved the stuff or not ;) [18:58] all done [18:58] yep, now it tells me you are editing [18:58] lol [18:58] just go ahead [18:58] :p [18:59] nope [18:59] i'm all fine [18:59] just hit publish once you are done [18:59] looks ok to me then [19:00] published [19:00] I suppose front page should reflect .1 [19:01] * Unit193 waits for http://xubuntu.org/news/category/news/ [19:02] knome: Hope you don't mind. [19:02] what page? [19:02] oh, front [19:02] * knome facepalms [19:05] elfy, better? [19:05] Unit193, great, ta for #x [19:06] ochosi: care to update http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/ with the post-bugfix fix details? [19:11] thanks knome :) [19:11] np [19:16] hmm [19:16] i was thinking [19:16] careful [19:16] we sometimes have some people join from the webchat asking the simplest question(s) [19:17] what can we do to offer them the information on the website so they don't have to join IRC? [19:17] or can we do anything about that? [19:17] http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/ [19:18] We don't update that very often, but maybe we can add something to that with general questions/answers [19:18] how simple a question is it [19:18] yeah, but a link to another page is a bit meg [19:18] *meh [19:18] Evening, sorry to interrupt. People will aways ask before looking into docs and manuals [19:19] :) [19:19] indeed [19:19] yep [19:19] or before typing on google [19:19] elfy, i don't have anything specific in mind.. but i was thinking something what's in the FAQ or docs [19:19] precisely. [19:19] well [19:19] given that I've spent 7 years seeing that on the forum - you can lead a horse to water [19:20] I would prefer that *our* faq is specific things [19:20] well i can't... ;) [19:20] so update the bot may be an answer to lead them to the right documentation [19:25] new users do not know anything about the bot [19:25] they don't need to if I understand what SkippersBoss means [19:25] ! somefactoid to point them at a resource [19:25] elfy: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [19:26] oh do behave [19:26] Precisely [19:26] but lazyness also does play a part [19:26] yep [19:28] Internet can be a scary place if you want to look for a solution to - what we perceive to be an easy - problem [19:33] maybe i don't understand either of you, or either of you don't understand me [19:33] what if a new user comes to the channel, asks a question but nobody is available to control the bot? [19:33] (or reply more naturally...) [19:33] there is that [19:34] but still - you could have a page anywhere you want - doesn't follow that they'll see it, read it, take any notice [19:34] and still ask the question [19:34] What we are trying to say is that there will always be people who are going to as first before cheicking out the docs [19:35] exactemundo [19:35] You cannot cater for every event [19:36] and you want to be careful that the docs are not covering every possible question and become cumbersome to manage/read [19:44] Besides you are aware that in http://xubuntu.org/help/ you admit yourself that IRC "is often the fastest way to get help. " [19:44] :-) [19:44] I just read "bestest" there. :D [19:44] maybe we could add more details to the channel welcome message? [19:44] Meh, people don't read that or the topic. [19:48] U see my point. You have indicated there is documentation and IRC support . You also have indicated that there might not be some around to help them immediately [19:52] Speaking of the FAQ, I have the last listing as per May 2013 ? Is this right ? [19:54] the screen locking page could also be linked there when updated [19:55] and inxi