[06:17] <elfy> knome: updated the torrent links
[06:18] <elfy> ochosi: ^^
[09:30] <ochosi> thanks a bunch elfy!
[10:25] <knome> elfy, cheers
[12:07] <brainwash> is this a regression caused by the recent xfpm sru update? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2236184
[12:10] <bluesabre> shouldn't be.  The update doesn't change the functionality of xfpm, and keeps the default setting of letting logind do its own thing
[12:11] <bluesabre> if the system is suspending on lid close, it's logind
[12:11] <bluesabre> right ochosi ^ ?
[12:13] <ochosi> lemme check, currently distracted
[12:13] <brainwash> just noticed this forum thread, made me wonder
[12:23] <ochosi> just read through that now
[12:24] <brainwash> the thread starter mentions that this was caused by a very recent update
[12:25] <elfy> also mentions systemd - if they're running with systemd - do they get the same issue if running upstart 
[12:25] <brainwash> but it's xubuntu 14.04
[12:26] <elfy> but we use upstart not systemd - no-one uses systemd at present - other than those testing it
[12:27] <brainwash> they call it systemd, but it's only logind
[12:27] <elfy> aah ok - not read it properly
[12:28] <brainwash> so we got this one report here, maybe it's indeed a regression, maybe not
[12:28] <brainwash> at least the black screen madness is fixed now :)
[12:32] <ochosi> i can't look at the exact changeset for xfpm now as i'm focussing on other things atm, but this shouldn't be a regression
[12:33] <ochosi> all it should do is let logind handle the suspending in case it's also set to lock the session
[12:34] <ochosi> but if you set it to not suspend, it should still follow that setting
[12:36] <brainwash> ok then
[12:39] <ochosi> so xfpm should take precedence in all cases but one, which is if it is set to suspend+lock, then it'll let logind do its thing
[12:40] <brainwash> oh.. bug 1347272
[12:40] <brainwash> some sort of meta bug report
[12:42] <brainwash> marked as critical...
[12:43] <brainwash> where is ali1234? =S
[12:43] <bluesabre> yay, a bug report that reports existing bugs
[12:50] <elfy> bluesabre: just double checking that mugshot has changed to only use a camera or browse now?
[12:51] <elfy> testcase is still referring to slect from stock
[13:04] <bluesabre> elfy, select from stock is only visible when the stock photos directory is present (there is a gnome package that installs these items)
[13:05] <elfy> ok - so in general for US it is not? 
[13:05] <bluesabre> yes, unless we want to add some faces at some point :)
[13:05] <bluesabre> /usr/share/pixmaps/faces/
[13:06] <elfy> ok - we can change the test when/if that happens
[13:06] <bluesabre> cool
[13:06] <elfy> in the meantime - elfy reports testcase bug and fixes it :p
[13:06] <bluesabre> :D
[13:15] <elfy> sigh - seems that mimetypes or something are all mucked up somehow - text file default is abiword
[13:15] <brainwash> right, we were thinking about this, gdm installs some stock photos for gnome
[13:16] <elfy> purging abiword to deal with that
[13:16] <brainwash> elfy: clean user account?
[13:17] <elfy> brainwash: we might be thinking about it - but at present the option doesn't appear in mugshot
[13:17] <elfy> this is more or less a clean account
[13:17] <elfy> sigh now it wants to use lo writer
[13:17] <brainwash> what a mess :)
[13:18] <elfy> yep 
[13:18] <elfy> installing windows to deal with it 
[13:18] <knome> i've always felt like mime type associations never were the strong selling point of *any* OS...
[13:19] <elfy> mmm - so properties on the file is pointing to mousepad
[15:51] <bluesabre> elfy, fixed released: bug 1347705
[15:57] <bluesabre> but, maybe not built in the archive yet...
[16:01] <elfy> awesome - I'll wait for it :)
[16:13] <ochosi> great bluesabre, thanks!
[16:27] <bluesabre> it's in the archive now
[16:52] <elfy> upgraded those
[16:53] <elfy> it's formatted / to ntfs - is that right :p
[18:45] <bluesabre> :D
[18:45] <Unit193> Going to release the release announcement?
[18:48] <bluesabre> We probably should at some point, eh?
[18:49] <bluesabre> ochosi knome elfy ^
[18:49] <knome> i dunno
[18:49] <knome> has somebody from the release team "signed off" that the article is okay?
[18:50] <knome> i can publish it if ACK'd
[18:50] <bluesabre> is the photo caption css fixed?  looks to be wider than the photo
[18:50] <knome> any photo should have the same issue, so...
[18:52] <elfy> I'm not sure if it should have ALL of the stuff from the lts release announcement
[18:52] <elfy> not had time to fiddle with it anymore 
[18:52] <ochosi> me neither, but otoh it doesn't hurt
[18:52] <knome> we need pleia2 for a css fix
[18:52] <ochosi> from my pov it's okayish, but i have little xp with release announcements
[18:53] <ochosi> g2g
[18:53] <ochosi> ttyl
[18:53] <elfy> well it's got the correct dl link in it and the sru fixes
[18:54] <bluesabre> Yeah, everything looks good to me
[18:54] <elfy> bluesabre: you're editing it - can you blitz all the other efforts and thanks bit from it 
[18:54] <knome> i'll do a manual fix for the image
[18:54] <bluesabre> not editing now
[18:54] <knome> ...once sean releases the edit lock ;)
[18:55] <knome> says to me you are
[18:55] <elfy> and me
[18:55] <knome> please leave the edit page whenever you're not editing
[18:55] <bluesabre> knome, feel free to destroy as elfy indicated above
[18:55] <bluesabre> I left
[18:55] <bluesabre> and logged out to make sure
[18:56] <knome> the image is manually fixed now
[18:56] <knome> it looks crap in the editor
[18:56] <knome> but who cares!
[18:56] <knome> i've also left the edit page
[18:57] <elfy> telling me you've not
[18:57] <knome> lol
[18:57] <knome> just go ahead
[18:57] <knome> and let's see if it saved the stuff or not ;)
[18:58] <elfy> all done
[18:58] <knome> yep, now it tells me you are editing
[18:58] <elfy> lol
[18:58] <elfy> just go ahead
[18:58] <elfy> :p
[18:59] <knome> nope
[18:59] <knome> i'm all fine
[18:59] <knome> just hit publish once you are done
[18:59] <elfy> looks ok to me then 
[19:00] <elfy> published 
[19:00] <elfy> I suppose front page should reflect .1 
[19:01]  * Unit193 waits for http://xubuntu.org/news/category/news/
[19:02] <Unit193> knome: Hope you don't mind.
[19:02] <knome> what page?
[19:02] <knome> oh, front
[19:02]  * knome facepalms
[19:05] <knome> elfy, better?
[19:05] <knome> Unit193, great, ta for #x
[19:06] <bluesabre> ochosi: care to update http://xubuntu.org/news/screen-locking-in-xubuntu-14-04/ with the post-bugfix fix details?
[19:11] <elfy> thanks knome :)
[19:11] <knome> np
[19:16] <knome> hmm
[19:16] <knome> i was thinking
[19:16] <bluesabre> careful
[19:16] <knome> we sometimes have some people join from the webchat asking the simplest question(s)
[19:17] <knome> what can we do to offer them the information on the website so they don't have to join IRC?
[19:17] <knome> or can we do anything about that?
[19:17] <bluesabre> http://xubuntu.org/news/category/faq/
[19:18] <bluesabre> We don't update that very often, but maybe we can add something to that with general questions/answers
[19:18] <elfy> how simple a question is it 
[19:18] <knome> yeah, but a link to another page is a bit meg
[19:18] <knome> *meh
[19:18] <SkippersBoss> Evening, sorry to interrupt.  People will aways ask before looking into docs and manuals
[19:19] <bluesabre> :)
[19:19] <bluesabre> indeed
[19:19] <elfy> yep 
[19:19] <bluesabre> or before typing on google
[19:19] <knome> elfy, i don't have anything specific in mind.. but i was thinking something what's in the FAQ or docs
[19:19] <SkippersBoss> precisely. 
[19:19] <elfy> well 
[19:19] <elfy> given that I've spent 7 years seeing that on the forum - you can lead a horse to water
[19:20] <elfy> I would prefer that *our* faq is specific things 
[19:20] <knome> well i can't... ;)
[19:20] <SkippersBoss> so update the bot may be an answer to lead them to the right documentation
[19:25] <knome> new users do not know anything about the bot
[19:25] <elfy> they don't need to if I understand what SkippersBoss means
[19:25] <elfy> ! somefactoid to point them at a resource
[19:26] <elfy> oh do behave
[19:26] <SkippersBoss> Precisely
[19:26] <SkippersBoss> but lazyness also does play a part
[19:26] <elfy> yep
[19:28] <SkippersBoss> Internet can be a scary place if you want to look for a solution to - what we perceive to be an easy - problem 
[19:33] <knome> maybe i don't understand either of you, or either of you don't understand me
[19:33] <knome> what if a new user comes to the channel, asks a question but nobody is available to control the bot?
[19:33] <knome> (or reply more naturally...)
[19:33] <elfy> there is that
[19:34] <elfy> but still - you could have a page anywhere you want - doesn't follow that they'll see it, read it, take any notice
[19:34] <elfy> and still ask the question 
[19:34] <SkippersBoss> What we are trying to say is that there will always be people who are going to as first before cheicking out the docs
[19:35] <SkippersBoss> exactemundo
[19:35] <SkippersBoss> You cannot cater for every event
[19:36] <SkippersBoss> and you want to be careful that the docs are not covering every possible question and become cumbersome to manage/read 
[19:44] <SkippersBoss> Besides you are aware that in http://xubuntu.org/help/ you admit yourself that IRC  "is often the fastest way to get help. "
 :-)
[19:44] <Unit193> I just read "bestest" there. :D
[19:44] <bluesabre> maybe we could add more details to the channel welcome message?
[19:44] <Unit193> Meh, people don't read that or the topic.
[19:48] <SkippersBoss> U see my point. You have indicated there is documentation and IRC support . You also have indicated that there might not be some around to help them immediately
[19:52] <SkippersBoss> Speaking of the FAQ, I have the last listing as per May 2013 ? Is this right ?
[19:54] <bluesabre> the screen locking page could also be linked there when updated
[19:55] <elfy> and inxi