[03:20] <mapps> hey all
[07:14] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[07:35] <mapps> morning
[07:39] <brobostigon> morning mapps
[07:43] <mapps> any plans for today mate?
[07:43] <mapps> just watched first ep of a new show...the divide :) pretty decent
[07:44] <brobostigon> not much, probably a beer or two this afternoon, celebrate my birthday.
[07:46] <mapps> :)
[07:46] <mapps> happy birthday:)
[07:53] <brobostigon> ty, :)
[07:56] <Myrtti> hbd brobostigon
[07:57] <brobostigon> hbd ?
[07:57] <Myrtti> happy birthday
[07:58] <brobostigon> thank you.
[09:07] <popey> pip pip
[09:24] <brobostigon> morning popey
[09:27] <popey> o, hows tricks?
[09:32] <brobostigon> long evening last night, my birthday party with my friends, couldnt do today, got home at 2am.
[14:31]  * penguin42 isn't convinced it's that much cooler than yesterday, even though metoffice was saying it should be a lot colder
[14:42] <Guest45215> Hey guys what's up! I need help.... My question is... Does the installer of ubuntu 14.04 recognise that in the hdd there are two operative systems? In fact I have win7 alongside ubu12.04
[14:44] <penguin42> I think it should, I've not tried that combination though
[14:44] <Guest45215> Mmm ok!
[14:44] <penguin42> Guest45215: Still, it's certainly making sure you've got a backup before you start
[14:44] <penguin42> Guest45215: And you should be able to go quite a long way through the installer without changing anything
[14:46] <Guest45215> And in your opinion is there the option to choose to get rid of the old ubuntu and to install the new version?
[14:46] <penguin42> I think so; I think as you go through the installer and it gets to the bit about disk partitioning it will ask you what you want to do
[14:47] <mapps> damnit
[14:47] <mapps> had nightmares
[14:47] <Guest45215> Tnx!
[14:50] <Guest45215> Aaaand listen! If I go to windows>manage disks and decide to delete the partition where ubuntu is installed what would happen?
[14:50] <penguin42> Guest45215: I'm not too sure where the boot loader ends up in a win7/ubuntu dual boot - don't delete the partition holding your current boot loader
[14:51] <Guest45215> Ok! It was only a stupid question I know!
[14:52] <Guest45215> Well, and know a question that doesn't involves ubuntu..... In your opinion where do I come from?
[14:53] <penguin42> Well, the most likely place is Earth
[14:54] <Guest45215> Hahah!!! :)
[14:55] <Guest45215> But I mean... So... Mmm... Are you from an english speaking country? Sorry, but this is very important to me
[14:56] <Guest45215> I'm not a stalker or something else...
[14:56] <Guest45215> Just want to know...
[15:01] <penguin42> Yes, native English speaker
[15:03] <penguin42> GeoIP reckons you're probably from Italy
[15:04] <Guest45215> Well, i know we're talking on "ubuntu-uk" so you probably come from england.... But, However... I'm not from England... i'm from a stupid country called "italy" and I would like to say that I ALWAYS  ask question in on-line places not connected with my country, because all italians are sooooo stupid and horrible people.. An hour ago I asked on ubuntu-it chat the same thing I asked in this chat and NO ONE replied to me correctly.
[15:05] <penguin42> Well, not all Italians, I work with one that's smart
[15:05] <mapps> yeo
[15:06] <mapps> england is the best
[15:06] <mapps> we agree
[15:06] <Guest45215> Yeahh... All italians abroad are very smart
[15:06] <penguin42> Guest45215: He's still in Italy
[15:07] <Guest45215> Mmm... Oook :) but... However moving on... i have all replies to my question not certanly in italy...
[15:08] <Guest45215> But my question is... Did you understand i'm not english?
[15:08] <penguin42> Guest45215: Not really, your English is pretty good
[15:09] <Guest45215> Ohohohohohohhooh!!!!
[15:09] <Guest45215> No way!! Really?
[15:09] <Guest45215> Fabulus!
[15:10] <Guest45215> *fabulous
[15:14] <Guest45215> Ahah!! You used GeoIP! :)
[15:14] <penguin42> yep
[15:15] <penguin42> Guest45215: But you can tell you're probably western European because you get the grammar about right
[15:17] <Guest45215> Sorry?
[15:19] <Guest45215> You're saying I have a good grammar?
[15:19] <Guest45215> :)
[15:21] <penguin42> Guest45215: Yes
[15:21] <Guest45215> Huhuhuhu!!!!! Hugs!
[15:22] <Guest45215> :) I hope one day I c
[15:22] <Guest45215> *will study in UK!
[15:22] <Guest45215> I hope in the Erasmus project! :)
[15:23] <penguin42> ah I have heard of it
[15:25] <Guest45215> Yah! It's such a wonderful project where students can move through Europe to go to study in a different country... :) I would also improve both my english grammar and pronunciation...
[15:29] <Guest45215> Well... dreams are beautiful... But they are also very short, so now i stop dreaming and continue my life in this country where all sucks...
[15:29] <Guest45215> *suck
[15:30] <Guest45215> Politics first...
[15:35] <Guest45215> Well! Thanks for all! Bye bye!
[15:35] <penguin42> you're welcome
[16:34]  * SuperEngineer has fingers tightly crossed - currently updating Hp mini from 12.04 to 14.04 ... X
[16:35] <SuperEngineer> ...and, of course, is watching the Hungarian Grand Prix
[17:19] <SuperEngineer> wee - upgrade worked! that's all 3 pooters now running 14.04.[01 I assume]
[17:27] <SuperEngineer> except it's gone back to non-uk keyboard - a known xubuntu prob - usually cured by removing dbus stuff - but really, again?!
[17:30] <penguin42> under the GUI?
[17:33] <SuperEngineer> yup
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> [still checking all used apps working 100% - so far so good - then on to resolving that little prob]
[17:34] <SuperEngineer> wey-hay... even Steam working on it ok
[17:38] <penguin42> SuperEngineer: I'm sure Steam got a significant amount of enthusiastic testing
[17:44] <SuperEngineer> ;)
[17:45] <SuperEngineer> So creaking old netbook on Lubuntu, HP mini on Xubuntu, home build desktop on Ubuntu - all 14.04.01 :D
[17:46] <penguin42> I put Kubuntu on my netbook; it's ok once it gets going, but it does take a while to get itself together
[17:53] <SuperEngineer> please tick here if 1st day off in 3 weeks successful [ᶘ]
[17:57] <penguin42> haha, I'm back to work tomorrow after a week off
[18:03] <SuperEngineer> penguin42: :p
[18:04] <SuperEngineer> ...and brain fade - it's not a dbus prob - it's an ibus prob - currently resolving
[18:05] <popey> ditto
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> ..keyboard solved...
[18:07] <SuperEngineer> ...now - to update to whisker menu or not to upgrade to whisker menu - that is the whatsits...
[19:33] <daubers> Evening
[19:37] <mapps> evening
[19:38] <daftykins> o/
[19:38]  * SuperEngineer refuses to say "evening" while the sun still lights a glorious sky!
[19:38] <daftykins> ugh that HP craptop's audio device disappeared again :P
[19:38] <mapps> heh
[19:38] <daubers> Heh :)
[19:38] <mapps> thought it was fixed
[19:39] <daubers> SuperEngineer: Only just lighting the sky around here. Might actually have to put the lights on shortly
[19:39] <daftykins> yeah, it was for one boot...
[19:40] <mapps> how did u fix itbefore
[19:40] <SuperEngineer> #/me hands daubers a virtual candle
[19:40] <daftykins> i didn't, powering off then powering back on it mystically appeared :)
[19:40] <daftykins> although that was with Windows installed
[19:40] <daftykins> the Linux installs seem to chase the device away
[19:46] <mapps> o
[19:46] <daftykins> found a huge thread on the HP forums about lots of models having disappearing audio
[19:47] <mapps> how old is the machine
[19:48] <daftykins> Vista era, so 06-07
[19:49] <daftykins> ah sounds like it's heat damage that's killed it
[19:49] <daftykins> causing it to be intermittent
[19:49] <daftykins> that makes sense now, because it was after a good run of prime95 that it worked again... so the heat probably helped make the connection briefly again
[19:50] <daftykins> i could try popping the motherboard in the oven \o/
[19:53] <mapps> prime95?
[19:54] <daftykins> heh we are mr. questions
[19:54] <daftykins> yep, it's a common stability testing program
[19:54] <daftykins> it has torture test options that let you hammer the processor, RAM and disk
[19:54] <mapps> heh
[19:55] <daftykins> overclockers use it to stability test overclocks
[19:55] <mapps> dont ask dont learn;p
[20:02] <mapps> busy day tomorrow
[20:02] <mapps> cant stay out all night..must remember
[20:02] <mapps> :D
[20:02] <mapps> else i wont get up in time
[20:03] <daftykins> ^_^
[20:03] <mapps> :D
[20:04] <mapps> going for lunch at 2..racing at 5
[21:36] <heracles> Hello. Does anyone have any experience with getting bridging to work in xen? I want to bridge wlan0 to xenbr0 but I can't find any instructions on how (that actually work)
[21:38] <daftykins> that'll probably be since xen isn't the officially supported virt tech for ubuntu
[21:39] <heracles> Ah
[21:39] <daftykins> is that a particular reason you chose it?
[21:39] <daftykins> s/that/there/
[21:40] <heracles> What is the officially supported virt tech? is it kvm? I chose it because it was the first thing I read about that offers VGA passthrough which I've managed to accomplish
[21:40] <heracles> as well as USB passthrough which is also working as of now
[21:42] <daftykins> think so yip
[21:43] <heracles> It took 3 days to get everything working (including going through several different distros). I'm kind of reluctant to start the process over again
[21:43] <heracles> with a different tech
[21:44] <daftykins> well, funny part about 'xenbr0' is that's named as a bridge interface already
[21:44] <daftykins> so what IP does that interface have?
[21:45] <heracles> the problem isn't creating the bridge interface, it's linking it with wlan0
[21:45] <heracles> I'm pretty sure you can't directly link the two
[21:46] <heracles> let me find the exact error I get
[21:47] <heracles> sudo brctl addif xenbr0 wlan0
[21:47] <heracles> yields
[21:47] <heracles> can't add wlan0 to bridge xenbr0: Operation not supported
[21:48] <heracles> I also tried running: $ iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on
[21:48] <daftykins> if you're using network manager on the host OS and the interface is up, you probably can't do it
[21:49] <daftykins> so why exactly do you want a VM to have a physical graphics card?
[21:49] <daftykins> just curious
[21:50] <heracles> I tried uninstalling the network manager and configuring wlan0 through /etc/network/interfaces but none of the suggested configs I tried worked
[21:50] <heracles> gaming and AutoCAD
[21:51] <daftykins> :S
[21:51] <heracles> and I don't trust windows enough to install it on bare metal, I want the filth contained
[21:51] <daftykins> that's pathetic.
[21:51] <daftykins> yeah WPA supplicant fun with the interfaces file would be a challenge
[21:51] <Myrtti> smile, you're again on a screenshot
[21:51]  * Myrtti scrambles for screenshot tool
[21:52] <heracles> screenshot why exactly? Using a VM for windows specific tasks doesn't seem like something unusual
[21:52] <heracles> perhaps my comment about "containing the filth" was a tad edgy
[21:52] <heracles> *shrugs*
[21:53] <heracles> so what do you suggest I do daftykins?
[21:53] <Myrtti> screenshot for my irssi theme
[21:56] <daftykins> yes it was childish
[21:56] <daftykins> i don't know, i used xen 6 years ago
[21:57] <daftykins> i'd imagine there'd be plenty of information to get it working, online - assuming that bridging syntax was correct
[21:57] <daftykins> i'm surprised there was even a xen kernel in the repos
[21:57] <heracles> do you think it's worth trying to configure kvm instead?
[22:00] <daftykins> no idea
[22:05] <heracles> the ubuntu specific documentation seems to stop around 11.10
[22:05] <heracles> for kvm that is
[22:05] <heracles> also from what I understand xen is much more mature
[22:05] <daftykins> maybe, on supported platforms
[22:19] <heracles> installing kvm as we speak
[22:19] <heracles> thanks for your help
[22:22] <daftykins> there we go, bit of a heating for a while... audio comes back \o/
[22:22] <daftykins> i think i'm gonna pop it in the oven