[02:09] <valorie> what's this I hear about Konvi being packaged for our Utopic Next?
[02:09] <valorie> if so, how can I get it?
[07:47] <agateau> ScottK: how can I reproduce that Gwenview test failure?
[08:03] <Riddell> yofel: topic diff?
[08:03] <yofel> link for 4.13.95
[08:03] <Riddell> valorie: nothing has been packaged yet, but there is a kf5 branch so it would be nice to have it in experimental
[08:04] <yofel> do we have a kmix5 yet?
[08:05] <Riddell> I don't know if that's ported
[08:05] <Riddell> kmix4 works fine
[08:05] <yofel> ok, then I just need to figure out why that wasn't running
[08:12] <yofel> and 4.13.3
[08:13] <Riddell> I think we need to remove nepomuk from 4.13.95, having them fail is a bother and vhanda has said there's no need
[08:17]  * yofel does a fresh upload of 4.13.3
[08:17] <yofel> there's no SRU bug in the changelogs
[08:18] <apachelogger> yofel: it wasn't running for the same reason polkit isn't running
[08:18] <yofel> meh
[08:18] <yofel> ok
[08:18] <apachelogger> stuff uses /usr/share/autostart, packages need patchery to move the relevant stuff to /etc/xdg and possibly set onlyshowin
[08:18] <apachelogger> in fact
[08:19] <apachelogger> you are the third person I am telling this, so I guess now I am going to send a mail :P
[08:19] <yofel> do that ^^
[08:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: polkit is fixed now btw
[08:48] <shadeslayer> hm, actually that looks wrong
[08:48] <apachelogger> if only polkit is fixed, then yes, it is wrong :P
[08:48] <shadeslayer> no, the kde auth part of it, though I fixed it incorrectly in my friday haste
[08:49] <apachelogger> kauth wouldn't work anyway
[08:49] <apachelogger> it has no polkitqt
[08:49] <shadeslayer> should have just made a link to the one installed in /usr/share/autostart
[08:49] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: if you have the KDE4 version installed, it works
[08:49] <shadeslayer> or well, it worked with muon 
[08:49] <apachelogger> muon doesn't use kauth
[08:49] <apachelogger> in particular muon itself is also kde4, so that would work anyway :P
[08:50] <shadeslayer> right
[08:52] <ovidiu-florin_> apachelogger: how many 48 hours have to pass for that mail script to run? It's been ~4 days. 
[08:56] <apachelogger> ovidiu-florin_: send a mail to rt@ubuntu.com with link to your launchpad profile saying that your member mail alias hasn't been created 
[08:57] <apachelogger> or go to #canonical-sysadmin I think
[09:06] <shadeslayer> ok, everything good to release I think
[09:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: release what?
[09:08] <shadeslayer> kubuntu-plasma5
[09:09] <yofel> release in what sense?
[09:09] <shadeslayer> announce it to the world
[09:09] <shadeslayer> that we have a ISO
[09:10] <yofel> ah
[09:10] <Riddell> yay
[09:11] <shadeslayer> writing blog now
[09:12] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I have a blog too, I think we also want a story on kubuntu.org, you want to do that or shall I?
[09:12] <shadeslayer> go ahead
[09:12] <shadeslayer> more blogs are awesome
[09:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: network manager is working on this one?
[09:14] <shadeslayer> it was for me in the vbox
[09:16] <shadeslayer> I don't know about wifi though
[09:16] <shadeslayer> http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.manifest < says network-manager was installed
[09:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: hmm torrent not working for me
[09:16] <shadeslayer> wfm
[09:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: should it be moved into a daily/ directory incase we also want to have a release/ directory? (or better name than daily)?
[09:17] <shadeslayer> maybe
[09:18] <shadeslayer> maybe not
[09:18] <shadeslayer> because this is just temporary
[09:18] <shadeslayer> till Colin gets things up on cdimage
[09:18] <Riddell> mm
[09:18] <Riddell> but then they still won't want to have releases on cdimage so we'd still want it on qa.kubuntu
[09:19] <shadeslayer> was that finalized? I thought the discussion went into limbo
[09:21] <apachelogger> if the image can't go on a mirror network we'll either have to distribute by torrent exclusively or shell out for cloudfront
[09:21] <apachelogger> one server will most definitely die to release downloads
[09:22] <Riddell> yes
[09:22] <Riddell> so is this torrent working for anyone? cos it's not here
[09:24]  * yofel agrees with apachelogger that the delete ppa link is a bit too easy to click @_@
[09:24] <Riddell> don't click that!
[09:25] <yofel> I did, but I did at least read the confirmation page...
[09:27] <apachelogger> xD
[09:49] <shadeslayer> ok for some reason
[09:49] <shadeslayer> transmission stops seeding after it has uploaded 1 copy
[09:53] <yofel> ratio-limit should be disabled by default though..
[09:53] <shadeslayer> yofel: it is
[09:53] <shadeslayer> but I enabled it
[09:53] <yofel> ^^
[09:54] <shadeslayer> like, just now
[09:54] <shadeslayer> yofel: mind seeding magnet:?xt=urn:btih:644738bc5c3099dcd82b984bb8749301661cce26&dn=kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80
[09:54] <yofel> after lunch
[09:54] <shadeslayer> ok
[09:54]  * yofel -> lunch
[10:21]  * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/28/kubuntu-plasma-5-isos-rolling
[10:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: did not realize there was a plasma 4
[10:24] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not a brand that's been used much before but we're trying to phase out Plasma Workspace so Plasma 4 replaces it
[10:24] <Riddell> and it is what it was called I'm told
[10:33]  * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-plasma-5
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: that looks horrible in firefox btw
[10:39] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/rhFDeqm.png
[10:44] <yofel> please do not hardcode image sizes that don't fit...
[10:47] <yofel> shadeslayer: fixed, please check
[10:47] <shadeslayer> oh oh oh
[10:47] <shadeslayer> I can seed
[10:47] <shadeslayer> hurray
[10:47] <shadeslayer> yofel: are you using qbittorrent?
[10:48] <yofel> I usually use rtorrent, but as that doesn't support magnet I'll probably use transmission
[10:48] <shadeslayer> ok then
[10:48] <shadeslayer> well
[10:48] <shadeslayer> I can seed 
[10:48] <shadeslayer> that's all that matters
[11:00] <Riddell> hmm, muon depends on kdesudo but doesn't seem to use it
[11:00] <yofel> it uses it to launch software-properties-kde
[11:00] <yofel> at least it did at some point
[11:00] <tsimpson> can it use pkexec?
[11:01] <snele> guys plasma 5 test iso wont boot. error: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3L/10P/M4PNP0Z/2014-07-28-125042.jpg
[11:02] <snele> any clue what is wrong? I made start up usb disk with start up disk creator in 14.04
[11:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ↑  uefi issue?
[11:04] <shadeslayer> wrong ISO?
[11:04] <shadeslayer> snele: please sha256sum ISO
[11:05] <Riddell> ah yes muon hardcodes use of kdesudo
[11:06] <shadeslayer> oh actually
[11:06] <shadeslayer> hm
[11:06] <Riddell> gdebi doesn't work with kdesu, can't find the .deb, some path must not be set, I think that's another advantage of kdesudo
[11:06] <shadeslayer> snele: please check sha256sum and then try dd'ing it to the USB stick
[11:08] <snele> shadeslayer: ok. is kubuntu-plasma5-latest.iso the same as kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso? because I have downloaded former one
[11:08] <shadeslayer> should be
[11:08] <shadeslayer> yes
[11:10] <shadeslayer> so we're averaging a good 10MBps on the server
[11:10] <yofel> shadeslayer: seeding now
[11:10] <shadeslayer> \o/
[11:10] <shadeslayer> seems to be holding up well I'd say
[11:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: we need kdelibs4support
[11:17] <Riddell> in the archive
[12:02] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:05] <BluesKaj> how goes it with the kubuntu-plasma5-desktop...is it still iffy and suffering from breakage?
[12:36] <ScottK> agateau: I'm not sure.  apachelogger had some insight about it, maybe he has a suggestion.
[12:36] <ScottK> err debfx I meant, not apachelogger .
[12:38] <BluesKaj> well, i reverted to the defaults about 10 days ago after some symlinks and startup scripts no longer worked 
[12:43] <BluesKaj> ok Ill stick to the defaults for now ...not crazy about the plasma5 "look" anyway
[12:44] <soee> BluesKaj: plasam5 on Kubuntu 14.10 works nice and stable for me
[12:45] <soee> except the moment when i try to connect second screnn through hdmi, than plasmashell crashes
[12:45] <BluesKaj> soee, so it's better now...no breakage etc ?
[12:45] <BluesKaj> not using the hdmi out atm 
[12:45] <soee> BluesKaj: did not experienced them, once teh problem with qdbus but this was temporary fixed
[12:46] <soee> i think yofel did some changes and works fine noe
[12:46] <BluesKaj> which ppa do you recommend ?
[12:47] <BluesKaj> are the themes and kde look options available yet or are we stuck with the default look icons and themes?\
[12:48] <BluesKaj> if not then I think I'll pass til they are available
[12:48] <soee> BluesKaj: qtcurve looks wnd works nice though its probably not 100% finished, in ferw places new icons are used but old oxygen as fallback also
[12:49] <soee> there is new widnow decoration available but has some performance issues, mgrasslin blogged about it
[12:49]  * BluesKaj nods , thanks soee
[12:49] <soee> so im using the old one
[12:50] <santa_> apachelogger: ping?
[12:50] <BluesKaj> I've been away fooling around with debian and now i know why I moved on from it ...still suffers from silly permission problems and a lack of apps that nI've learned to takre for granted
[12:59] <soee> BluesKaj: i have ppa-next active and using
[12:59] <BluesKaj> yeah i just added it, soee
[13:02] <ScottK> Who wrote "Kubuntu Plasma 5 ISOs have started being built. These are early development builds of what should be a Tech Preview with our 14.10 release in October"
[13:03] <ScottK> It's horrible confusing.
[13:03] <ScottK> It made me think it was an announcement that 14.10 would be Plasma 5 and I KNOW that's not true.
[13:27] <Riddell> ScottK: me probably, you looking at kubuntu.org ?
[13:27] <shadeslayer> my blog is on the 2nd page of HN \o/
[13:28] <Riddell> shall I add "alongside our default offering with Plasma 4"?
[13:31] <BluesKaj> soee, desktop doesn't load from the login after installing plasma5. What am I missing?
[13:32] <soee> BluesKaj: some error or ?
[13:33] <BluesKaj> nope the login page just hangs, the splash screen doesn't load
[13:34] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: are you testing in a vbox?
[13:34] <soee> never had such problem
[13:34] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, no , kubuntu 14.10 has it's own partition
[13:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: cat /var/log/sddm.log ?
[13:37] <BluesKaj> not using sddm
[13:37] <soee> sddm ?
[13:38] <BluesKaj> chose lightdm over sddm due to the problems it had earlier
[13:39] <BluesKaj> I'm on debian atm
[13:40] <ScottK> Riddell: I was looking at my planet Ubuntu RSS feed, but it amounts to the same thing.
[13:40] <ScottK> (It's Plasma 1, BTW)
[13:41] <BluesKaj> guess i could use irssi on the VT...wasn't there a fix by installing qt5-default? But someone objected saying that it was wrong to do that altho it worked for me
[13:42] <Riddell> ScottK: I thought so and did query that but people closer involved said it had always been plasma 4
[13:42] <ScottK> Weird.
[13:42] <ScottK> OK.
[13:42] <yofel> it was plasma workspaces 4, wasn't it?
[13:43] <ScottK> Maybe.
[13:43] <Riddell> shadeslayer: £296.29 hotel + £177.20 flight + £21.57 bus = £495.06 for akademy
[13:43] <ScottK> Years later and rebranding is still confusing.
[13:43] <Riddell> yes and we're now trying to stop using the term workspaces as it adds nothing
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yeah I got a reply from the hotel too
[13:43] <ScottK> Maybe it wasn't so well thought through.
[13:44] <shadeslayer> comes to around the same for me as well, 510 EUR or sth
[13:44] <Riddell> groovy, I'll apply for that
[13:44] <soee> bambule: qt5-defaults was when qdbus couldnt be loaded
[13:50] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we might need to get cloudfronting xD
[13:50] <shadeslayer> I can barely ssh into the server
[13:52] <Riddell> cool 30 apache's running
[13:52] <shadeslayer> we're uploading at a good 1GBps I think
[13:53] <Riddell> oh my word
[13:53] <shadeslayer> ok no
[13:53] <shadeslayer> 10 MBps
[13:53] <shadeslayer> byobu likes to lie
[13:54] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: yofel: there was no plasma4 because there was no one plasma
[13:54] <shadeslayer> also, something is taking up 100% CPU
[13:54] <apachelogger> there was plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook at 4.x and plasma-device (formerly active, formerly mobile) at 1.x
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: kdelibs uploaded
[13:55] <Riddell> shadeslayer: 4support?
[13:55] <shadeslayer> yes
[13:55] <Riddell> yay
[13:55] <shadeslayer> oh wait
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: plz reject
[13:57] <Riddell> rejected!
[13:57] <shadeslayer> thx
[13:58] <Riddell> hmm browsing qa.kubuntu web is very slow
[13:58] <Riddell> "[Errno 105] No buffer space available " http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.13.3_trusty.html
[13:58] <Riddell> is that a bad thing?
[14:01] <apachelogger> what exactly did you expect Oo
[14:01] <shadeslayer> somehow we managed to run out of space?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> /dev/vzfs        50G  7.1G   43G  15% /
[14:02] <shadeslayer> seems to have enough space
[14:03] <yofel> isn't buffer a memory section?
[14:03] <yofel> not that I can check as I can't log in..
[14:04] <yofel> ah, now I can
[14:06] <apachelogger> can have multiple reasons, that output is very generic, in our case it likely means the kernel socket limit is maxed out
[14:06] <shadeslayer> we have about 900 MB free
[14:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: that doesn't sound like a lot either ^^
[14:06] <apachelogger> ah, RAM you mean?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:06] <apachelogger> ah yeah
[14:07] <shadeslayer> apache2 is taking up all the CPU for some reason
[14:07] <shadeslayer> it's slow, but chugging along
[14:10] <debfx> isn't it just serving static pages?
[14:12] <shadeslayer> debfx: too many people downloading things
[14:14] <Riddell> static pages and ISOs
[14:21] <yofel> yofel@lvps83-169-20-62 $ logout
[14:21] <yofel> -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory
[14:21] <yofel> heh
[14:23] <shadeslayer> yofel: whoa o_o
[14:23] <Riddell> yofel: you uploaded 4.13.3 to staging again?
[14:24] <yofel> Riddell: yes, there was no bug # in the changelogs
[14:24] <Riddell> mm ok
[14:24] <yofel> also, kde4libs was misisng
[14:24] <yofel> *missing
[14:24] <Riddell> uploading nepomuk-core to fix build-dep on kdegraphics-mobigraphis
[14:24] <yofel> please don't
[14:25] <yofel> if nepomuk-core is missing then it's not there, rather lower the build-dep in mobi
[14:25] <yofel> the script currently can't figure out what's updated and what not
[14:26] <Riddell> yes, I uploaded nepomuk-core with the build-dep on mobi lowered
[14:26] <yofel> ah, ok, I misunderstood that the other way around...
[14:28] <Riddell> tsdgeos: I'll push the kapptemplate KF5 addition now https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119388/
[14:28] <yofel> Riddell: are you looking through which versions need to be fixed? Otherwise I'll do it as I have the packages still here
[14:29] <Riddell> yofel: go for it
[14:29] <yofel> ok
[14:29] <Riddell> tsdgeos: ah but what's your current way of committing to SC?  commit to 4.14 and cherry pick to master?
[14:29] <tsdgeos> merge up
[14:30] <Riddell> tsdgeos: merge not cherry pick?
[14:30] <tsdgeos> yes
[14:46] <shadeslayer> say hello to kubuntuBot
[14:46] <shadeslayer> who builds our images
[14:46] <shadeslayer> kubotu: help imager
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[14:46] <shadeslayer> ok fine, be like that
[14:47] <shadeslayer> basically, imager build is the command to pass to it
[14:49] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
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[15:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: I had a question
[15:00] <shadeslayer> about ubiquity
[15:01] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw did you notice that no one appears to download with ktorrent :P
[15:01] <shadeslayer> heh
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: actually, I see multiple users of Ktorrent
[15:02] <apachelogger> maybe they all don';t like me
[15:03] <apachelogger> I rarely see one pop up
[15:03] <xnox> shadeslayer: go on =)
[15:03] <Riddell> yofel: you uploaded 4.14 beta 3 to the archive?
[15:03] <yofel> only a few things
[15:03] <shadeslayer> xnox: how does ubiquity-dm startup? i.e. does something start lightdm and then ubiquity-dm?
[15:03] <yofel> e.g. what's need to get the nepomuk bits to build
[15:03] <Riddell> yofel: right I see
[15:03] <yofel> I didn't yet get to upload nepomuk-core though, that's still missing
[15:04] <shadeslayer> xnox: I'm trying to get ubiquity-dm popup in the Plasma 5 ISO
[15:04] <Riddell> yofel: I think I'll just remove nepomuk from SC, vhanda says it doesn't work anyway
[15:04] <xnox> shadeslayer: lightdm startup conditions are satisfied -> (filesystem and runlevel [!06] and started dbus and plymouth-ready)
[15:04] <yofel> go ahead
[15:04] <xnox> shadeslayer: lightdm emits starting
[15:04] <xnox> shadeslayer: lightdm is blocked by ubiquity job, which instead launches ubiquity-dm.
[15:05] <xnox> shadeslayer: if/when ubiquity job dies, aborts, quits or finishes. lightdm starts up normally and auto-logs in. Or a shutdown/reboot sequence is initiated by ubiquity and lightdm never starts.
[15:05] <shadeslayer> and I assume lightdm has some ubiquity-dm handling then?
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: fwiw I don't get any KTorrent clients too, all of them seem to like transmission better
[15:07] <apachelogger> I have about the same amount of transmission and qbittorrent
[15:07] <apachelogger> everything else has a negligible share
[15:08] <shadeslayer> alot of folks from Russia xD
[15:11] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: bot net of compromised xp computers :P
[15:13] <xnox> shadeslayer: no, lightdm has no knoweledge of ubiquity-dm.
[15:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: being liberated by Kubuntu \o/
[15:14] <xnox> shadeslayer: ubiquity, blocks lightdm job from starting. Thus ubiquity-dm and lightdm never run at the same time, and lightdm never launches ubiquity-dm.
[15:15] <shadeslayer> xnox: ah so somehow you block the greeter exclusively
[15:16] <shadeslayer> and then draw ontop of the X server started by lightdm
[15:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: no.
[15:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: look at lightdm upstart job.
[15:16] <xnox> shadeslayer: then look and /etc/init/ubiquity.conf job
[15:17] <xnox> shadeslayer: ubiquity job, pre-empts lightdm job from executing.
[15:17] <xnox> ubiquity-dm spawns it's own X, it's own panel, apps, background etc. It's a minimalist display-manager / Desktop Environment / desktop & single app runner.
[15:18] <xnox> if that dies and fails.
[15:18] <xnox> then everything is torn down, and lightdm job starts X and starts itselfs and starts normal regular use session.
[15:18] <shadeslayer> ack
[15:19] <xnox> hence when you boot live cd and click "Try $distro" you get loads of flicker of everything being torn down and re-setup.
[15:20] <xnox> shadeslayer: what's your real question?
[15:20] <xnox> shadeslayer: not shipping lightdm and no ubiquity showing up?
[15:20] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:20] <shadeslayer> we're shipping sddm and sddm starts up
[15:20] <xnox> shadeslayer: so, why didn't you ask that in the first place? =)
[15:20] <shadeslayer> trying to fix it myself
[15:21] <xnox> shadeslayer: so at the top of /etc/init/ubiquity.conf we need to update that list of display managers. We forgot to add sddm to that list as well as the Mate thing as well.
[15:21] <shadeslayer> xnox: that's it? :D
[15:21] <xnox> shadeslayer: would you make a merge proposal for that?
[15:22] <xnox> shadeslayer: well, i told you to read the ubiqutiy job.... i have no idea why it's still a surprise to you =)
[15:22] <shadeslayer> heh, I was reading that, just still astonished that it's as simple as that
[15:22]  * shadeslayer looks up mate stuff
[15:22] <xnox> they have the "not-metacity" display manager added recently.
[15:27] <shadeslayer> xnox: did you have a chance to look at cmake?
[15:28] <shadeslayer> the libexec dir issue
[15:35] <xnox> nope.
[15:54] <shadeslayer> xnox: can't say I've found the mate stuff
[15:55] <shadeslayer> so I'll just upload the sddm change
[15:55] <xnox> shadeslayer: read the recent changelog, find the name of the mate dm, and add it like sddm.
[15:56] <xnox> shadeslayer: it's not called mate, or metacity, but it does start with "m" as well...
[15:56] <shadeslayer> marco
[15:56] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:57] <shadeslayer> but that seems like the WM only
[15:57] <xnox> shadeslayer: oh, right. true.
[15:58] <xnox> shadeslayer: and i don't know if they have forked gdm or not.
[15:58] <xnox> shadeslayer: wait and see, I guess.
[15:58] <shadeslayer> well, their ISO uses lightdm
[15:58] <shadeslayer> and some basic googling says they recommend lightdm as well
[15:59] <xnox> than, it's all good.
[15:59] <xnox> *then
[16:00] <lordievader> Good evening.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5/+merge/228528
[16:13] <_Groo_> to be part of kubuntu trello, do i need to ask for an invitation or something? i just signed up and went to trello.com/kubuntu, do i need anything else?
[16:17] <_Groo_> also, which ppa has the kubuntu automation scripts?
[16:35] <BluesKaj> well my desktop is certainly mucked up now ... no access no matter how i try to fix this mess ... ok it's my fault that i got burned twice ..not gonna happen a 3rd time
[17:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: Riddell fwiw I figured out mouse cursor weirdness https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119522/
[17:36] <Riddell> shadeslayer: you're on a roll with these images
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ;)
[17:37] <Riddell> hmm, removing nepomuk from kde4libs removes a couple of symbols in libkio5
[17:37] <Riddell> changing that abi would mean recompiling a lot of packages
[17:45] <Riddell> oh they're private symbols, vale vale
[18:00] <Riddell> shadeslayer: bug 1349518 ?
[18:33] <Riddell> ScottK: kfilemetadata and baloo is new for some KF5 love
[18:33] <ScottK> OK.  I'll try and look a bit later.
[18:39]  * apachelogger munches the gugelhupf
[18:55] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: 
[18:55] <apachelogger>   Uploading polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[18:55] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[18:55] <apachelogger> should arrive in source new soonish
[18:58] <Riddell> apachelogger: what uses that?
[18:58] <apachelogger> qapt3
[18:58] <Riddell> ah hah
[18:58] <apachelogger> well
[18:58] <apachelogger> kauth
[18:58] <apachelogger> technically
[19:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: accepted!
[19:16] <Riddell> apachelogger: will you update kauth?
[19:16] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:17] <apachelogger>   Uploading polkit-qt-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done.
[19:17] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[19:17] <apachelogger> qt4 version update
[19:17] <apachelogger> (I don't think anything actually changed there ;))
[19:21] <apachelogger> to staging:
[19:21] <apachelogger>   Uploading libqapt_2.1.70+qt5+20140725.3_source.changes: done.
[19:21] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[19:21] <apachelogger> should now have a not crashing worker
[19:23] <apachelogger>   Uploading kauth_5.0.0-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done.
[19:23] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages.
[19:23] <apachelogger> picks up polkit-qt5
[19:25] <shadeslayer> halp
[19:25] <shadeslayer> can't stop listening to 80's music
[19:25] <shadeslayer> and it's raining
[19:25] <shadeslayer> why is it raining
[19:27] <apachelogger> !
[19:28] <apachelogger> nonononon
[19:28] <apachelogger> listening to 80s music is bad
[19:28] <apachelogger> VERY VERY BAD
[19:28] <shadeslayer> no it's not
[19:28] <shadeslayer> it's awesome
[19:29] <apachelogger> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pOq4hyoX9g
[19:29] <apachelogger> it really isn't mate
[19:29] <apachelogger> it really isn't
[19:34] <shadeslayer> stop listening to shitty 80's music
[19:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk
[19:37] <apachelogger> u just dunno what good music that's the problem
[19:38] <apachelogger> it's so hot -.-
[19:38]  * apachelogger melting
[19:43] <shadeslayer> it's so humid
[19:43]  * shadeslayer disolving
[19:44]  * yofel sends some rain over
[19:46] <apachelogger> mh
[19:46] <apachelogger> yeah, also way too humid here
[19:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, it seems you forgot to disable comments again :P
[19:46] <ScottK> You could move to Scotland.
[19:47] <ScottK> It might be humid, but at least it's cold.
[19:47] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in my blog? yeah :(
[19:47] <shadeslayer> I should hire a customer support team
[19:47]  * apachelogger comments "why does my firefox crash"
[19:47] <shadeslayer> xD
[19:48] <mhall119> shadeslayer: ping
[19:48] <shadeslayer> mhall119: pong
[19:49] <mhall119> hey, I asked you a while back about being a guest on the community team's weekly Q&A, would you be available to do that tomorrow at 1500 UTC?
[19:49] <shadeslayer> sure :)
[19:50] <shadeslayer> mhall119: how long is it usually?
[19:50] <mhall119> great! I or someone else will get you the hangout URL a few minutes before
[19:50] <shadeslayer> okie :)
[19:50] <mhall119> shadeslayer: at most an hour, shorter if we run out of questions
[19:50] <shadeslayer> I should have got that haircut today
[19:50] <mhall119> but there's a lot to talk about with Kubuntu and Plasma and Frameworks, so it'll probably take the full hour
[19:50] <mhall119> heh, I need to get one too
[19:50] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[19:50] <mhall119> thanks shadeslayer, I'll let the rest of the team know
[19:51] <shadeslayer> cheers :)
[19:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: put on a fedora
[19:51] <shadeslayer> haha
[19:51] <shadeslayer> I don't own a fedora unfortunately
[19:51] <shadeslayer> I also don't own a fez
[19:51] <shadeslayer> story of my life
[19:53] <apachelogger> :O
[19:54] <apachelogger> someone should file a bug about this
[19:55] <apachelogger> wait what, lol
[19:55] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you start your blog by saying how the the kubuntu iso is different from neon and yet there's comments what the difference is 
[19:55]  * apachelogger squints
[19:56] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I know right
[19:56] <shadeslayer> it's like they didn't even read
[19:56] <apachelogger> chances are they didn't :P
[19:56] <apachelogger> reading is for books
[19:56] <shadeslayer> they went from "Screenshot!" -> "Clickety Link!" -> "Let me comment!"
[19:56] <apachelogger> on the internet we look at pictures
[19:56] <apachelogger> meow
[19:56] <shadeslayer> true
[19:56] <apachelogger> that's right, pictures of kittens
[19:56] <apachelogger> muhahah
[19:56] <apachelogger> xD
[19:57] <yofel> guess why half the web is just animated flash
[19:57] <shadeslayer> Vint Cerf must be disappointed
[19:57] <shadeslayer> "What have I done"
[19:57] <shadeslayer> humanity is doomed
[19:59] <apachelogger> whos that?
[20:05] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you didn't reddit btw :P
[20:06] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:06] <shadeslayer> I don't want to visit reddit at work
[20:06] <shadeslayer> I'll just lose 2 hours of work time
[20:07] <shadeslayer> looking at kitten pictures
[20:07] <shadeslayer> I can do it now
[20:07] <apachelogger> Riddell: 
[20:07] <apachelogger> dpkg: error processing archive /var/cache/apt/archives/libkf5parts-plugins_5.0.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb (--unpack):
[20:07] <apachelogger>  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/qt5/plugins/notepadpart.so', which is also in package libkf5parts-bin 5.0.0-0ubuntu1~ubuntu14.10~ppa3
[20:07] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: if you only go to the kde sub you won't see no kittens to look at :P
[20:07] <shadeslayer> I removed Breaks/Replaces
[20:08] <apachelogger> why?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> what does kf5parts come from?
[20:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: wasn't required for the archive
[20:08] <shadeslayer> but for the renames should be kept I guess
[20:09] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: mind submitting it? seems a bit vain of me to submit a link to my blog
[20:09] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: tell david, he's much famous on reddit
[20:09]  * apachelogger doesn't even have an account ^^
[20:09] <shadeslayer> d_ed: ^^
[20:11] <apachelogger>   Uploading about-distro_1.50+git20140728.0_source.changes: done.
[20:11] <apachelogger> Successfully uploaded packages
[20:11] <apachelogger> going to staging
[20:12] <apachelogger> argh
[20:12] <apachelogger> I always forget ecm -.-
[20:15] <_Groo_> could someone point me to the kubuntu-automation ppa?
[20:15] <_Groo_> where i can install the scripts via ppa
[20:16] <apachelogger> there's no such thing
[20:18] <_Groo_> apachelogger: so to make kde 3.14.3 for ex?
[20:18] <_Groo_> do we have a script that downloads via git and starts pbuilder? or is still manual work, package by package? im trying to recreate a working flow
[20:19]  * apachelogger doesn't know the workflow himself
[20:19] <apachelogger> google for kubuntu-automation
[20:19] <apachelogger> it's a bzr branch with 300000 scripts
[20:19] <apachelogger> and one the right one of them will do what you want, I just don't know which one :P
[20:19] <apachelogger> yofel or debfx probably can help
[20:20] <_Groo_> apachelogger: ok, we are getting somewhere
[20:20] <yofel> it's in some +junk...
[20:20] <_Groo_> so its a brz branch, not a ppa
[20:20] <yofel> ~kubuntu-packagers/+junk/kubuntu-automation
[20:20] <shadeslayer> you probably also want kubuntu-dev-tools
[20:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw in general I think removing conflictering when uploading to archive is a bad idea
[20:21] <apachelogger> since we support ppas we can't really upload stuff to ppa and then pretend the package has no history outside the archive
[20:23] <yofel> _Groo_: the workflow is kinda like this: kubuntu-initial-upload updates all branches and fetches from depot, then you upload to ppa, then you fix stuff and upload to ppa after using bzr-buildpackage-ppa, the status page helps you with that, then you upload to archive once all is done
[20:24] <apachelogger> talking about uploading to ppa, I think I'll refactor the ppa-status script
[20:25] <yofel> in what direction?
[20:25] <apachelogger> in bluesystems we use it for neon status tracking and it is rather unhandy to browse a list of mixed-status items
[20:25] <yofel> well, ist's grouped by name and sorted by alphabet
[20:26] <apachelogger> so I was thinking about a) creating a template so that we don't have loads of html inline in the script itself b) create independent tables depending on the package state and then merge the tables into the template to get the final html
[20:26] <apachelogger> yofel: that's not what anyone cares about though
[20:26] <apachelogger> what everyone cares about is the build state of a package
[20:26] <yofel> it was sufficient for me
[20:26] <yofel> hm, true
[20:26] <apachelogger> so by sorting by name you get to browse scroll a lot
[20:26] <apachelogger> and since neon has pretty much every frameworks port there is on the same page it is very tedious
[20:27] <yofel> anyway, a) sure, that would be great. b) I'm curious what you end up with
[20:27] <yofel> riight
[20:27] <yofel> well, sc is pretty much as bad
[20:27] <apachelogger> another option for b might be to javascriptify the table
[20:27] <apachelogger> so you could sort by name or state or whatever
[20:27] <yofel> you could hide by status, that would indeed by helpful
[20:28] <apachelogger> yofel: that's why I think a static order by status would be sufficient really
[20:28] <apachelogger> I have not ever looked at any status page to see what is green xD
[20:28] <apachelogger> for all intents and purposes the green stuff could not be there and it would be just as useful I think 
[20:28] <yofel> I did!
[20:29] <yofel> when stuff was mostly blue and red XD
[20:29] <apachelogger> lol
[20:29] <apachelogger> indeed
[20:29] <apachelogger> so yeah, I'd not remove the green stuff :P
[20:30]  * apachelogger would totally like to find out why his about-distro is saying Breeze 14.10 :S
[20:30] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: do we have a kubuntu-settings package for next yet?
[20:30] <shadeslayer> started looking into that today
[20:30] <apachelogger> reckon that's not the reason then :P
[20:31] <apachelogger> oh maybe I twiddled my os-release
[20:31] <apachelogger> nope
[20:31] <apachelogger> this is really weird
[20:31] <apachelogger> can anyone install about-distro from staging and see if the kcm says Breeze 14.10?
[20:32] <shadeslayer> tomorrow
[20:32]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[20:32]  * shadeslayer creates black hole to gobble keyboard
[20:33] <apachelogger> mh
[20:33] <apachelogger> maybe this is a kconfig issue, or well, kconfig porting issue
[20:33] <apachelogger>     QString distroName = cg.readEntry("Name", os.name);
[20:33] <apachelogger> let's say the configgroup weirdly cascades and ends up with a config where Name=Breeze
[20:33] <apachelogger> like say the workspace theme
[20:33] <apachelogger> that would totally explain it
[20:34] <d_ed> shadeslayer: man up and submit a link to your own blog; it's allowed on the internet
[20:34] <shadeslayer> fun
[20:34] <d_ed> (RE: whenever I was pinged)
[20:34] <shadeslayer> :(
[20:34] <d_ed> though I like the idea that I'm famous somewhere
[20:34] <apachelogger> why does kconfigroup not have a qdebug overload :'<
[20:35] <shadeslayer> d_ed: http://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/2bz8hs/plasma5_now_more_awesome_as_a_kubuntu_iso/
[20:35] <shadeslayer> upboat
[20:36] <apachelogger> ohohoh, it's reading kdeglobals
[20:36] <apachelogger> what a drag
[20:37] <d_ed> have an upvote
[20:38] <apachelogger> d_ed: but but but, upboat :(
[20:39] <shadeslayer> d_ed: apachelogger is dissing on 80's music
[20:40] <apachelogger> ye better be glad that I am not raging about kconfig's apidox
[20:46] <santa_> apachelogger: hey I think I made kauth work (with issues) but I'm inclined to think it works
[20:46] <apachelogger> nice
[20:47] <santa_> d_ed: ↑ someone told me you were working on the sddm kcm, is that right?
[20:47] <yofel> oh right
[20:47] <santa_> so hopefully tomorrow I will brief you about the details
[20:48] <santa_> still the kcmclock helper segfaults but kauth itself (apparently) is working
[20:48] <yofel> d_ed: any idea why starting sddm woud show... nothing? It's my eeePC with an intel 945GME. X seems to be there as the screen power saving reacts on mouse movement, but it's kinda invisible
[20:50] <apachelogger> bugged out theme? :P
[20:51] <d_ed> santa_: yeah
[20:51] <yofel> could be... but the iso worked, and that uses sddm right?
[20:51] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: where do we stick about-distro in the reinvented systemsettings?
[20:51] <yofel> well, I never tested the ISO on that pc
[20:51] <d_ed> santa_: where did you hear kauth worked?
[20:51] <apachelogger> yofel: since the theme is qml if our runtime deps are bogus the theme would not work
[20:51] <d_ed> someone reliable?
[20:51] <apachelogger> (and our runtime deps were bogus in every package I looked at last week :P)
[20:51] <d_ed> yofel: is it all black or all white?
[20:52] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: and whoopsie
[20:52] <yofel> d_ed: it's all... whatever was there before, so black if black, if I had a shell on tty1 I see a frozen image of that
[20:52] <apachelogger> the lack of a system level category is a bit of a drag
[20:52] <santa_> d_ed: I didn't hear, I think I made it work doing various things in kubuntu's packaging
[20:53] <santa_> I might be wrong though
[20:53] <apachelogger> yofel: that sounds like it can't find the theme tbh, try wiping /etc/sddm.conf
[20:53] <yofel> apachelogger: there is no sddm.conf
[20:53] <apachelogger> then it's peculiar
[20:53] <d_ed> santa_: oh cool.
[20:53] <apachelogger> yofel: sddm-theme-maui installed?
[20:53] <yofel> yep, 0.8.99 ppa4
[20:54] <apachelogger> then I am out of ideas 
[20:54] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ask vdg
[20:54] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: vdg never has time for me
[20:54] <apachelogger> still waiting for bootsplash stuff :P
[20:54] <shadeslayer> bribe them
[20:54] <shadeslayer> with chocolate
[20:54] <santa_> d_ed: so I will clean up all the stuff I have been doing tomorrow and your feedback will be interesting if you are working on the sddm kcm and needs root
[20:55] <apachelogger> yofel: /var/log/sddm has nothing useful?
[20:55] <santa_> because as I said I'm not 100% sure it's working
[20:56] <d_ed> santa_: I'm planning on spending all tomorrow on the auth stuff.
[20:56] <yofel> well, not particulary...
[20:56] <yofel> another thing though: starting sddm from init hangs and then just fails, I only get X if I just run 'sudo sddm'
[20:56] <d_ed> I'll ping you if I get anything.
[20:57] <santa_> ok, great
[20:59] <yofel> apachelogger: the log is pretty much http://paste.ubuntu.com/7888311/
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: ps aux
[20:59] <apachelogger> which sddm binaries are running
[21:02] <yofel> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7888339/
[21:05] <apachelogger> yeah, that pretty much looks like when the theme doesn't load I think
[21:05] <apachelogger> i.e. you should have a greeter, but you don't have one :P
[21:05] <apachelogger> or maybe helper is stuck on pam, but that'd be odd
[21:05] <yofel> well, I have an invisible one
[21:06] <apachelogger> yofel: you have an X runnning, but the greeter didn't come up
[21:06] <yofel> well, true
[21:06] <apachelogger> IIRC helper spawns X then hands off to greeter
[21:06] <apachelogger> so since you have no greeter something must be wrong with the theme
[21:07] <apachelogger> mhh
[21:07] <apachelogger> theme problems make no sense either though because maui only has 
[21:07] <apachelogger> ./Main.qml:import QtQuick 2.0
[21:07] <apachelogger> ./Main.qml:import SddmComponents 2.0
[21:07] <apachelogger> yofel: what happens if you run sudo /usr/bin/sddm-greeter --socket /tmp/sddm-:0-eJDVtx --theme /usr/share/sddm/themes/maui --user sddm
[21:08] <yofel> Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key
[21:09] <apachelogger> fun
[21:09] <apachelogger> yofel: plfiorini in #kde-devel is your guy
[21:12] <apachelogger> Riddell, ScottK: polkit should be in binary new now
[21:30] <shadeslayer> no jmux hm
[21:30] <shadeslayer> I wanted to ask him what they did about KDE CVE's and stuff
[21:40] <_Groo_> where do i find kubuntu-initial-upload and kubuntu-initial-upload? i cant find them in the kubuntu-dev-tools
[21:49] <shadeslayer> so python like http://doc.rust-lang.org/std/iter/trait.Iterator.html#tymethod.map
[21:50] <shadeslayer> well, quite Qt like as well, kinda like Q_FOREACH
[21:57] <yofel> _Groo_: that's in kubuntu-automation
[21:59] <tsimpson> sounds more like a std::transform
[22:01] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: true
[22:02] <shadeslayer> but anyway, learning rust has been fun so far
[22:03] <tsimpson> learning a new language is usually fun :) I'm just not a fan of the rust syntax
[22:04] <shadeslayer> why ? 
[22:05] <tsimpson> it's just so many overloaded symbols
[22:05] <tsimpson> like the worse C++ template code you've seen in boost :p
[22:06] <shadeslayer> heh