[02:09] what's this I hear about Konvi being packaged for our Utopic Next? [02:09] if so, how can I get it? [07:47] ScottK: how can I reproduce that Gwenview test failure? === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | 4.13.95 U http://goo.gl/dMO38I | Kubuntu 5 Test ISO's http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync [08:03] yofel: topic diff? [08:03] link for 4.13.95 [08:03] valorie: nothing has been packaged yet, but there is a kf5 branch so it would be nice to have it in experimental [08:04] do we have a kmix5 yet? [08:05] I don't know if that's ported [08:05] kmix4 works fine [08:05] ok, then I just need to figure out why that wasn't running === yofel changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | 4.13.95 U http://goo.gl/dMO38I 4.13.3 T http://goo.gl/XrhwRF | Kubuntu 5 Test ISO's http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu5/kubuntu5-latest.iso.zsync [08:12] and 4.13.3 [08:13] I think we need to remove nepomuk from 4.13.95, having them fail is a bother and vhanda has said there's no need [08:17] * yofel does a fresh upload of 4.13.3 [08:17] there's no SRU bug in the changelogs [08:18] yofel: it wasn't running for the same reason polkit isn't running [08:18] meh [08:18] ok [08:18] stuff uses /usr/share/autostart, packages need patchery to move the relevant stuff to /etc/xdg and possibly set onlyshowin [08:18] in fact [08:19] you are the third person I am telling this, so I guess now I am going to send a mail :P [08:19] do that ^^ === shadeslayer changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Birthday Octopii, 100% jellyfish free | https://trello.com/kubuntu | KF5 5.0.0! notes http://goo.gl/53m7zt : status http://goo.gl/MxvdGp | 4.13.95 U http://goo.gl/dMO38I 4.13.3 T http://goo.gl/XrhwRF | Kubuntu 5 Test ISO's http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-latest.iso.zsync [08:47] apachelogger: polkit is fixed now btw [08:48] hm, actually that looks wrong [08:48] if only polkit is fixed, then yes, it is wrong :P [08:48] no, the kde auth part of it, though I fixed it incorrectly in my friday haste [08:49] kauth wouldn't work anyway [08:49] it has no polkitqt [08:49] should have just made a link to the one installed in /usr/share/autostart [08:49] apachelogger: if you have the KDE4 version installed, it works [08:49] or well, it worked with muon [08:49] muon doesn't use kauth [08:49] in particular muon itself is also kde4, so that would work anyway :P [08:50] right [08:52] apachelogger: how many 48 hours have to pass for that mail script to run? It's been ~4 days. [08:56] ovidiu-florin_: send a mail to rt@ubuntu.com with link to your launchpad profile saying that your member mail alias hasn't been created [08:57] or go to #canonical-sysadmin I think [09:06] ok, everything good to release I think [09:07] shadeslayer: release what? [09:08] kubuntu-plasma5 [09:09] release in what sense? [09:09] announce it to the world [09:09] that we have a ISO [09:10] ah [09:10] yay [09:11] writing blog now [09:12] shadeslayer: I have a blog too, I think we also want a story on kubuntu.org, you want to do that or shall I? [09:12] go ahead [09:12] more blogs are awesome [09:14] shadeslayer: network manager is working on this one? [09:14] it was for me in the vbox [09:16] I don't know about wifi though [09:16] http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kubuntu-plasma5/kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.manifest < says network-manager was installed [09:16] shadeslayer: hmm torrent not working for me [09:16] wfm [09:17] shadeslayer: should it be moved into a daily/ directory incase we also want to have a release/ directory? (or better name than daily)? [09:17] maybe [09:18] maybe not [09:18] because this is just temporary [09:18] till Colin gets things up on cdimage [09:18] mm [09:18] but then they still won't want to have releases on cdimage so we'd still want it on qa.kubuntu [09:19] was that finalized? I thought the discussion went into limbo [09:21] if the image can't go on a mirror network we'll either have to distribute by torrent exclusively or shell out for cloudfront [09:21] one server will most definitely die to release downloads [09:22] yes [09:22] so is this torrent working for anyone? cos it's not here [09:24] * yofel agrees with apachelogger that the delete ppa link is a bit too easy to click @_@ [09:24] don't click that! [09:25] I did, but I did at least read the confirmation page... [09:27] xD [09:49] ok for some reason [09:49] transmission stops seeding after it has uploaded 1 copy [09:53] ratio-limit should be disabled by default though.. === popey_ is now known as popey [09:53] yofel: it is [09:53] but I enabled it [09:53] ^^ [09:54] like, just now [09:54] yofel: mind seeding magnet:?xt=urn:btih:644738bc5c3099dcd82b984bb8749301661cce26&dn=kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80 [09:54] after lunch [09:54] ok [09:54] * yofel -> lunch [10:21] * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/07/28/kubuntu-plasma-5-isos-rolling [10:23] Riddell: did not realize there was a plasma 4 [10:24] shadeslayer: not a brand that's been used much before but we're trying to phase out Plasma Workspace so Plasma 4 replaces it [10:24] and it is what it was called I'm told [10:33] * Riddell publishes kubuntu.org/news/kubuntu-plasma-5 [10:39] Riddell: that looks horrible in firefox btw [10:39] Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/rhFDeqm.png [10:44] please do not hardcode image sizes that don't fit... [10:47] shadeslayer: fixed, please check [10:47] oh oh oh [10:47] I can seed [10:47] hurray [10:47] yofel: are you using qbittorrent? [10:48] I usually use rtorrent, but as that doesn't support magnet I'll probably use transmission [10:48] ok then [10:48] well [10:48] I can seed [10:48] that's all that matters [11:00] hmm, muon depends on kdesudo but doesn't seem to use it [11:00] it uses it to launch software-properties-kde [11:00] at least it did at some point [11:00] can it use pkexec? [11:01] guys plasma 5 test iso wont boot. error: http://www.dodaj.rs/f/3L/10P/M4PNP0Z/2014-07-28-125042.jpg [11:02] any clue what is wrong? I made start up usb disk with start up disk creator in 14.04 [11:04] shadeslayer: ↑ uefi issue? [11:04] wrong ISO? [11:04] snele: please sha256sum ISO [11:05] ah yes muon hardcodes use of kdesudo [11:06] oh actually [11:06] hm [11:06] gdebi doesn't work with kdesu, can't find the .deb, some path must not be set, I think that's another advantage of kdesudo [11:06] snele: please check sha256sum and then try dd'ing it to the USB stick [11:08] shadeslayer: ok. is kubuntu-plasma5-latest.iso the same as kubuntu-plasma5-201407251140.iso? because I have downloaded former one [11:08] should be [11:08] yes [11:10] so we're averaging a good 10MBps on the server [11:10] shadeslayer: seeding now [11:10] \o/ [11:10] seems to be holding up well I'd say [11:17] shadeslayer: we need kdelibs4support [11:17] in the archive [12:02] Hiyas all [12:05] how goes it with the kubuntu-plasma5-desktop...is it still iffy and suffering from breakage? [12:36] agateau: I'm not sure. apachelogger had some insight about it, maybe he has a suggestion. [12:36] err debfx I meant, not apachelogger . [12:38] well, i reverted to the defaults about 10 days ago after some symlinks and startup scripts no longer worked [12:43] ok Ill stick to the defaults for now ...not crazy about the plasma5 "look" anyway [12:44] BluesKaj: plasam5 on Kubuntu 14.10 works nice and stable for me [12:45] except the moment when i try to connect second screnn through hdmi, than plasmashell crashes [12:45] soee, so it's better now...no breakage etc ? [12:45] not using the hdmi out atm [12:45] BluesKaj: did not experienced them, once teh problem with qdbus but this was temporary fixed [12:46] i think yofel did some changes and works fine noe [12:46] which ppa do you recommend ? [12:47] are the themes and kde look options available yet or are we stuck with the default look icons and themes?\ [12:48] if not then I think I'll pass til they are available [12:48] BluesKaj: qtcurve looks wnd works nice though its probably not 100% finished, in ferw places new icons are used but old oxygen as fallback also [12:49] there is new widnow decoration available but has some performance issues, mgrasslin blogged about it [12:49] * BluesKaj nods , thanks soee [12:49] so im using the old one [12:50] apachelogger: ping? [12:50] I've been away fooling around with debian and now i know why I moved on from it ...still suffers from silly permission problems and a lack of apps that nI've learned to takre for granted === amichair__ is now known as amichair === dodger is now known as Guest69710 [12:59] BluesKaj: i have ppa-next active and using [12:59] yeah i just added it, soee [13:02] Who wrote "Kubuntu Plasma 5 ISOs have started being built. These are early development builds of what should be a Tech Preview with our 14.10 release in October" [13:03] It's horrible confusing. [13:03] It made me think it was an announcement that 14.10 would be Plasma 5 and I KNOW that's not true. [13:27] ScottK: me probably, you looking at kubuntu.org ? [13:27] my blog is on the 2nd page of HN \o/ [13:28] shall I add "alongside our default offering with Plasma 4"? [13:31] soee, desktop doesn't load from the login after installing plasma5. What am I missing? [13:32] BluesKaj: some error or ? [13:33] nope the login page just hangs, the splash screen doesn't load [13:34] BluesKaj: are you testing in a vbox? [13:34] never had such problem [13:34] shadeslayer, no , kubuntu 14.10 has it's own partition [13:36] BluesKaj: cat /var/log/sddm.log ? [13:37] not using sddm [13:37] sddm ? [13:38] chose lightdm over sddm due to the problems it had earlier [13:39] I'm on debian atm [13:40] Riddell: I was looking at my planet Ubuntu RSS feed, but it amounts to the same thing. [13:40] (It's Plasma 1, BTW) [13:41] guess i could use irssi on the VT...wasn't there a fix by installing qt5-default? But someone objected saying that it was wrong to do that altho it worked for me [13:42] ScottK: I thought so and did query that but people closer involved said it had always been plasma 4 [13:42] Weird. [13:42] OK. [13:42] it was plasma workspaces 4, wasn't it? [13:43] Maybe. [13:43] shadeslayer: £296.29 hotel + £177.20 flight + £21.57 bus = £495.06 for akademy [13:43] Years later and rebranding is still confusing. [13:43] yes and we're now trying to stop using the term workspaces as it adds nothing [13:43] Riddell: yeah I got a reply from the hotel too [13:43] Maybe it wasn't so well thought through. [13:44] comes to around the same for me as well, 510 EUR or sth [13:44] groovy, I'll apply for that [13:44] bambule: qt5-defaults was when qdbus couldnt be loaded [13:50] Riddell: we might need to get cloudfronting xD [13:50] I can barely ssh into the server [13:52] cool 30 apache's running [13:52] we're uploading at a good 1GBps I think [13:53] oh my word [13:53] ok no [13:53] 10 MBps [13:53] byobu likes to lie [13:54] ScottK, Riddell: yofel: there was no plasma4 because there was no one plasma [13:54] also, something is taking up 100% CPU [13:54] there was plasma-desktop and plasma-netbook at 4.x and plasma-device (formerly active, formerly mobile) at 1.x [13:55] Riddell: kdelibs uploaded [13:55] shadeslayer: 4support? [13:55] yes [13:55] yay [13:55] oh wait [13:55] Riddell: plz reject [13:57] rejected! [13:57] thx [13:58] hmm browsing qa.kubuntu web is very slow [13:58] "[Errno 105] No buffer space available " http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/ninjas-status/build_status_4.13.3_trusty.html [13:58] is that a bad thing? [14:01] what exactly did you expect Oo [14:01] somehow we managed to run out of space? [14:02] /dev/vzfs 50G 7.1G 43G 15% / [14:02] seems to have enough space [14:03] isn't buffer a memory section? [14:03] not that I can check as I can't log in.. [14:04] ah, now I can [14:06] can have multiple reasons, that output is very generic, in our case it likely means the kernel socket limit is maxed out [14:06] we have about 900 MB free [14:06] shadeslayer: that doesn't sound like a lot either ^^ [14:06] ah, RAM you mean? [14:06] yes [14:06] ah yeah [14:07] apache2 is taking up all the CPU for some reason [14:07] it's slow, but chugging along [14:10] isn't it just serving static pages? [14:12] debfx: too many people downloading things [14:14] static pages and ISOs [14:21] yofel@lvps83-169-20-62 $ logout [14:21] -bash: fork: Cannot allocate memory [14:21] heh [14:23] yofel: whoa o_o [14:23] yofel: you uploaded 4.13.3 to staging again? [14:24] Riddell: yes, there was no bug # in the changelogs [14:24] mm ok [14:24] also, kde4libs was misisng [14:24] *missing [14:24] uploading nepomuk-core to fix build-dep on kdegraphics-mobigraphis [14:24] please don't [14:25] if nepomuk-core is missing then it's not there, rather lower the build-dep in mobi [14:25] the script currently can't figure out what's updated and what not [14:26] yes, I uploaded nepomuk-core with the build-dep on mobi lowered [14:26] ah, ok, I misunderstood that the other way around... [14:28] tsdgeos: I'll push the kapptemplate KF5 addition now https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119388/ [14:28] Riddell: are you looking through which versions need to be fixed? Otherwise I'll do it as I have the packages still here [14:29] yofel: go for it [14:29] ok [14:29] tsdgeos: ah but what's your current way of committing to SC? commit to 4.14 and cherry pick to master? [14:29] merge up [14:30] tsdgeos: merge not cherry pick? [14:30] yes [14:46] say hello to kubuntuBot [14:46] who builds our images [14:46] kubotu: help imager [14:46] no help for topic imager [14:46] ok fine, be like that [14:47] basically, imager build is the command to pass to it [14:49] kubotu: hi [14:49] yo apachelogger [14:49] kubuntuBot: hi [14:49] I think my bot is nicer [14:49] *clearly* [14:49] kubuntuBot: Hi! [14:50] :( [14:50] kubuntuBot: hi [14:50] scru u kubuntuBot [14:50] kubuntuBot: restart [14:50] hello kubuntuBot [14:51] pm me for access to the bot [14:52] "welcome, owner" not sure this fits with equality [14:57] kubuntuBot: imager build [15:00] xnox: I had a question [15:00] about ubiquity [15:01] shadeslayer: btw did you notice that no one appears to download with ktorrent :P [15:01] heh [15:01] apachelogger: actually, I see multiple users of Ktorrent [15:02] maybe they all don';t like me [15:03] I rarely see one pop up [15:03] shadeslayer: go on =) [15:03] yofel: you uploaded 4.14 beta 3 to the archive? [15:03] only a few things [15:03] xnox: how does ubiquity-dm startup? i.e. does something start lightdm and then ubiquity-dm? [15:03] e.g. what's need to get the nepomuk bits to build [15:03] yofel: right I see [15:03] I didn't yet get to upload nepomuk-core though, that's still missing [15:04] xnox: I'm trying to get ubiquity-dm popup in the Plasma 5 ISO [15:04] yofel: I think I'll just remove nepomuk from SC, vhanda says it doesn't work anyway [15:04] shadeslayer: lightdm startup conditions are satisfied -> (filesystem and runlevel [!06] and started dbus and plymouth-ready) [15:04] go ahead [15:04] shadeslayer: lightdm emits starting [15:04] shadeslayer: lightdm is blocked by ubiquity job, which instead launches ubiquity-dm. [15:05] shadeslayer: if/when ubiquity job dies, aborts, quits or finishes. lightdm starts up normally and auto-logs in. Or a shutdown/reboot sequence is initiated by ubiquity and lightdm never starts. [15:05] and I assume lightdm has some ubiquity-dm handling then? [15:06] apachelogger: fwiw I don't get any KTorrent clients too, all of them seem to like transmission better [15:07] I have about the same amount of transmission and qbittorrent [15:07] everything else has a negligible share [15:08] alot of folks from Russia xD [15:11] shadeslayer: bot net of compromised xp computers :P [15:13] shadeslayer: no, lightdm has no knoweledge of ubiquity-dm. [15:13] apachelogger: being liberated by Kubuntu \o/ [15:14] shadeslayer: ubiquity, blocks lightdm job from starting. Thus ubiquity-dm and lightdm never run at the same time, and lightdm never launches ubiquity-dm. [15:15] xnox: ah so somehow you block the greeter exclusively [15:16] and then draw ontop of the X server started by lightdm [15:16] shadeslayer: no. [15:16] shadeslayer: look at lightdm upstart job. [15:16] shadeslayer: then look and /etc/init/ubiquity.conf job [15:17] shadeslayer: ubiquity job, pre-empts lightdm job from executing. [15:17] ubiquity-dm spawns it's own X, it's own panel, apps, background etc. It's a minimalist display-manager / Desktop Environment / desktop & single app runner. [15:18] if that dies and fails. [15:18] then everything is torn down, and lightdm job starts X and starts itselfs and starts normal regular use session. [15:18] ack [15:19] hence when you boot live cd and click "Try $distro" you get loads of flicker of everything being torn down and re-setup. [15:20] shadeslayer: what's your real question? [15:20] shadeslayer: not shipping lightdm and no ubiquity showing up? [15:20] yep [15:20] we're shipping sddm and sddm starts up [15:20] shadeslayer: so, why didn't you ask that in the first place? =) [15:20] trying to fix it myself [15:21] shadeslayer: so at the top of /etc/init/ubiquity.conf we need to update that list of display managers. We forgot to add sddm to that list as well as the Mate thing as well. [15:21] xnox: that's it? :D [15:21] shadeslayer: would you make a merge proposal for that? [15:22] shadeslayer: well, i told you to read the ubiqutiy job.... i have no idea why it's still a surprise to you =) [15:22] heh, I was reading that, just still astonished that it's as simple as that [15:22] * shadeslayer looks up mate stuff [15:22] they have the "not-metacity" display manager added recently. [15:27] xnox: did you have a chance to look at cmake? [15:28] the libexec dir issue [15:35] nope. [15:54] xnox: can't say I've found the mate stuff [15:55] so I'll just upload the sddm change [15:55] shadeslayer: read the recent changelog, find the name of the mate dm, and add it like sddm. [15:56] shadeslayer: it's not called mate, or metacity, but it does start with "m" as well... [15:56] marco [15:56] ok [15:57] but that seems like the WM only [15:57] shadeslayer: oh, right. true. [15:58] shadeslayer: and i don't know if they have forked gdm or not. [15:58] shadeslayer: wait and see, I guess. [15:58] well, their ISO uses lightdm [15:58] and some basic googling says they recommend lightdm as well [15:59] than, it's all good. [15:59] *then [16:00] Good evening. [16:00] xnox: https://code.launchpad.net/~rohangarg/ubiquity/plasma5/+merge/228528 [16:13] <_Groo_> to be part of kubuntu trello, do i need to ask for an invitation or something? i just signed up and went to trello.com/kubuntu, do i need anything else? [16:17] <_Groo_> also, which ppa has the kubuntu automation scripts? [16:35] well my desktop is certainly mucked up now ... no access no matter how i try to fix this mess ... ok it's my fault that i got burned twice ..not gonna happen a 3rd time [17:18] apachelogger: Riddell fwiw I figured out mouse cursor weirdness https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/119522/ [17:36] shadeslayer: you're on a roll with these images [17:37] ;) [17:37] hmm, removing nepomuk from kde4libs removes a couple of symbols in libkio5 [17:37] changing that abi would mean recompiling a lot of packages [17:45] oh they're private symbols, vale vale [18:00] shadeslayer: bug 1349518 ? [18:00] bug 1349518 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kubuntu plasma 5 crash ubiquity" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1349518 [18:33] ScottK: kfilemetadata and baloo is new for some KF5 love [18:33] OK. I'll try and look a bit later. [18:39] * apachelogger munches the gugelhupf [18:55] Riddell, ScottK: [18:55] Uploading polkit-qt5-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [18:55] Successfully uploaded packages. [18:55] should arrive in source new soonish [18:58] apachelogger: what uses that? [18:58] qapt3 [18:58] ah hah [18:58] well [18:58] kauth [18:58] technically [19:16] apachelogger: accepted! [19:16] apachelogger: will you update kauth? [19:16] yeah [19:17] Uploading polkit-qt-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu1_source.changes: done. [19:17] Successfully uploaded packages. [19:17] qt4 version update [19:17] (I don't think anything actually changed there ;)) [19:21] to staging: [19:21] Uploading libqapt_2.1.70+qt5+20140725.3_source.changes: done. [19:21] Successfully uploaded packages. [19:21] should now have a not crashing worker [19:23] Uploading kauth_5.0.0-0ubuntu2_source.changes: done. [19:23] Successfully uploaded packages. [19:23] picks up polkit-qt5 [19:25] halp [19:25] can't stop listening to 80's music [19:25] and it's raining [19:25] why is it raining [19:27] ! [19:28] nonononon [19:28] listening to 80s music is bad [19:28] VERY VERY BAD [19:28] no it's not [19:28] it's awesome [19:29] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pOq4hyoX9g [19:29] it really isn't mate [19:29] it really isn't [19:34] stop listening to shitty 80's music [19:34] apachelogger: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDK9QqIzhwk [19:37] u just dunno what good music that's the problem [19:38] it's so hot -.- [19:38] * apachelogger melting [19:43] it's so humid [19:43] * shadeslayer disolving [19:44] * yofel sends some rain over [19:46] mh [19:46] yeah, also way too humid here [19:46] shadeslayer: btw, it seems you forgot to disable comments again :P [19:46] You could move to Scotland. [19:47] It might be humid, but at least it's cold. [19:47] apachelogger: in my blog? yeah :( [19:47] I should hire a customer support team [19:47] * apachelogger comments "why does my firefox crash" [19:47] xD [19:48] shadeslayer: ping [19:48] mhall119: pong [19:49] hey, I asked you a while back about being a guest on the community team's weekly Q&A, would you be available to do that tomorrow at 1500 UTC? [19:49] sure :) [19:50] mhall119: how long is it usually? [19:50] great! I or someone else will get you the hangout URL a few minutes before [19:50] okie :) [19:50] shadeslayer: at most an hour, shorter if we run out of questions [19:50] I should have got that haircut today [19:50] but there's a lot to talk about with Kubuntu and Plasma and Frameworks, so it'll probably take the full hour [19:50] heh, I need to get one too [19:50] alrighty [19:50]