[07:07] <dholbach> good morning
[08:27] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:29] <dpm> morning dholbach, czajkowski
[08:30] <dholbach> hey dpm
[12:49] <dholbach> dpm, are you going to need me in the call with Will tomorrow?
[12:49] <dpm> dholbach, it's up to you if you want to be there. As long as there's one of us who can walk him through the presentation
[12:50] <dholbach> dpm, ok - I should be free at the time - just let me know
[12:50] <dpm> I'll be there, feel free to join if you want to, but you don't have to
[12:50] <dpm> ok, cool
[12:50] <dholbach> I just saw it in my inbox and realised I hadn't responded yet
[12:50] <dholbach> popey, welcome back - how were your holidays?
[12:51] <dholbach> popey, did you see? click-reviewers-tools work in trusty+utopic again :)
[12:51] <popey> heya, thanks. They were great!
[12:51] <popey> I setup a utopic chroot now, and do all my approvals in that ☻
[12:51] <popey> now you fixed it all
[12:52] <dholbach> yeah, it doesn't depend on any apparmor bits any more, which will make having it in all kinds of releases a lot easier
[15:01] <dholbach> dpm, popey, mhall119, balloons: team call?
[15:01] <dpm> yep!
[15:01]  * balloons crossing fingers
[15:03] <popey> \o/
[16:01] <dholbach> all rightie, got to run - see you tomorrow! :)
[16:02] <elfy> popey: so I was doing the once a year thing and getting a haircut, conversation somehow turned to PCs - woman cutting my hair started talking about Ubuntu, then said something about her brother doing stuff with it ...
[16:02] <elfy> that was hilarious :p
[16:02] <popey> uhoh
[16:03] <popey> where do you live, wonder if that was my sister ☻
[16:03]  * elfy lives in Lymington, yes it was indeed your sister :)
[16:03] <popey> haha!
[16:03] <popey> thats brilliant
[16:04] <elfy> so that's a little bit closer to finally meeting you lol
[16:04] <popey> heh
[17:03] <mhall119> you two haven't actually met in person yet?
[17:05] <elfy> nope
[17:05] <elfy> I've only met one person in the 7 years I've been floating about
[17:07] <popey> oddly I was in lymington on saturday, passing through from the isle of wight ferry
[17:08] <elfy> I heard about that
[17:09] <elfy> but I didn't get the lowdown on any 35 year old stories
[17:09] <elfy> I'll wait till next year for those :p
[17:21] <popey> :D
[17:21] <popey> I'm just amazed how you got from "I'm here to have my hair cut" to "I know your brother" :D
[17:32] <elfy> she said about PCs - I said I don't do windows or macs - my brother's like that too then off it went - then she said Alan and I said popey :p
[17:32] <elfy> s/said something
[17:33] <mhall119> did you call him "popey"?
[17:33] <elfy> I did :p
[17:33]  * mhall119 imagines his family calling him that just like the rest of us
[17:41] <popey> ☻
[17:41] <popey> everyone calls me popey.
[17:41] <popey> unless they're insulting me.
[18:00] <mhall119> then they call you alan?
[18:06] <popey> exactly
[19:18] <bkerensa> mhall119: have you ever thought of having Ubuntu Badges?
[19:19]  * belkinsa perks up as me hears Badges
[19:20] <bkerensa> http://www.openbadges.org/
[19:22] <elfy> I thought that was what the accomplishments thing was
[19:22] <mhall119> elfy: similar, but different
[19:22] <belkinsa> My question is it really needed for the Community?
[19:23] <mhall119> bkerensa: are they still tightly bound to Personas?
[19:24] <belkinsa> Because to me, it's just more gamification.
[19:24] <mhall119> belkinsa: I'm on the fence about their usefulness, but I'm leaning your way
[19:26] <mhall119> I don't think pure gamification works in a collaborative community, not as well as it works in a competitive one anyway
[19:27] <bkerensa> mhall119: it uses persona by default but changing thats not hard... lots of universities and schools now use it without
[19:27] <belkinsa> Yeah, badges seem to be for competive communites.  Like XPRIZE>
[19:28] <bkerensa> belkinsa: well Jono had the same idea
[19:28] <bkerensa> Ubuntu Accomplishments
[19:28] <bkerensa> was roughly the same idea
[19:28] <belkinsa> I see.
[19:28] <bkerensa> it just never got traction
[19:32] <mhall119> just because jono had the same idea doesn't mean belkinsa is wrong
[19:32] <jono> HAHA
[19:32] <jono> great way to join the channel :-)
[19:32] <elfy> lol
[19:33] <bkerensa> mhall119: I don't think it seeks to create competition but to be a economically scalable form of recognition
[19:33] <belkinsa> lol
[19:33] <elfy> jono: you're just this guy you know :p
[19:33] <jono> :-)
[19:33] <mhall119> welcome jono :)
[19:33] <jono> howdy mhall119  :-)
[19:33] <bkerensa> Mozilla spends millions on swag for contributors in terms of recognition each year so having a way to do that at a lower cost per is much better
[19:34] <belkinsa> Well, if it's just for recognition, maybe they could be okay within the Community.
[19:34] <mhall119> bkerensa: that might be the intent, but I'm not convinced it acheives it
[19:34] <bkerensa> mhall119: its also useful for things like celebrating participation in events... We have badges for things like meetups, trainings and summit
[19:34] <mhall119> jono: it's like reddit, you're the example of doing things write until I disagree with you, then what do you know
[19:34] <mhall119> s/write/right/
[19:35] <jono> haha
[19:35] <jono> indeed :-)
[19:35] <jono> brb
[19:35] <mhall119> bkerensa: if you read my recent blog posts, I emphasize the importance of human recognition, I think that's something badges don't do
[19:35] <bkerensa> mhall119: So if you can make the case to Rick I would encourage you to try and attend Mozilla's Community Building Teams next Recognition Work Group Meetup
[19:35] <bkerensa> its open to the public
[19:35] <mhall119> bkerensa: when and where is that? online?
[19:35] <bkerensa> quite a few bay area tech companies and non profits including the Red Cross participate
[19:35] <mhall119> ugh, bay area
[19:35] <bkerensa> mhall119: I think the next one is next month in San Francisco
[19:36] <bkerensa> otherwise it will be another six months till the next
[19:36] <bkerensa> mhall119: Oh don't worry not Oakland :P
[19:36] <mhall119> still the other side of the continent
[19:37] <bkerensa> mhall119: let me see about remote participation via Vidyo
[19:37] <mhall119> bkerensa: why is there no Mozilla stuff in central Florida?
[19:37]  * mhall119 starts "mozilla hates florida" meme
[19:38]  * elfy starts a "where is florida" meme
[19:39] <bkerensa> mhall119: What do you mean? I don't know how far you are from University of Florida but Mozilla does a bit of events there
[19:39] <mhall119> about a 2 hour drive, I could make that on occasion
[19:39] <mhall119> assuming it's on the main campus in gainesville
[19:40] <bkerensa> and I was planning on flying down to FOSSETCON in Orlando but it just didn't work out =/
[19:40] <mhall119> will anyone from Mozilla be at FOSSETCON?
[19:42] <bkerensa> mhall119: one of the keynote speakers
[19:42] <bkerensa> :)
[19:42] <mhall119> who?
[19:42]  * mhall119 hopes it's stormy
[19:43] <bkerensa> http://fossetcon.org/2014/speakers/brandon-johnson
[19:43] <bkerensa> I kind of doubt Stormy will be going
[19:43] <bkerensa> :)
[19:43] <bkerensa> she just got done with OSCON
[19:44] <mhall119> I can hope
[19:44] <mhall119> but yeah
[19:46] <bkerensa> mhall119:
 stormy: are you attending FOSSETCON?
[19:46] <bkerensa>  * angelina-afk is now known as angelina
[19:46] <bkerensa>  <stormy> @bkerensa I am not planning on it. Should I?
[19:46] <bkerensa> heh
[19:46] <bkerensa> :)
[19:47] <mhall119> I guess "catchup with old friends" isn't a valid business case for travel
[19:47] <bkerensa> well
[19:47] <bkerensa> Stormy doesn't have to justify her travel
[19:48] <bkerensa> heh she signs off on her budget since she is a director
[19:48] <bkerensa> ;p
[19:48] <mhall119> you still have to justify it when it's not your personal money
[19:49] <bkerensa> idk I have seen it all :)
[19:49] <bkerensa> when you see a $7,000 sushi and sake bill :)
[19:55] <mhall119> heh, that sounds like sales consultant expenses
[19:55] <mhall119> when I worked at Verizon, the IBM sales guys wouldn't hesitate to drop $10k taking managers out
[19:56] <mhall119> or so I heard, not being a manager I didn't get to experience it myself
[19:56] <mhall119> the HP guys were at least cool enough to take us all out for pizza
[19:57] <bkerensa> mhall119: that was for the community building team dinner
[19:57] <bkerensa> The team is pretty large though but I didn't honestly think we would pay $7k plus $1k for a tip out the door
[19:58] <bkerensa> the food was pretty good :)
[19:58] <bkerensa> also the last dinner I got to have with Brendan Eich
[20:16] <bkerensa> a former canonical employee who did business dev actually stopped by our booth and mentioned he thought it was a hard sell
[20:17] <bkerensa> oh wow he was the Business Development Director for Canonical even
[20:17] <bkerensa> :s