=== zequence_ is now known as zequence [07:07] good morning [08:27] aloha [08:29] morning dholbach, czajkowski [08:30] hey dpm === popey_ is now known as popey [12:49] dpm, are you going to need me in the call with Will tomorrow? [12:49] dholbach, it's up to you if you want to be there. As long as there's one of us who can walk him through the presentation [12:50] dpm, ok - I should be free at the time - just let me know [12:50] I'll be there, feel free to join if you want to, but you don't have to [12:50] ok, cool [12:50] I just saw it in my inbox and realised I hadn't responded yet [12:50] popey, welcome back - how were your holidays? [12:51] popey, did you see? click-reviewers-tools work in trusty+utopic again :) [12:51] heya, thanks. They were great! [12:51] I setup a utopic chroot now, and do all my approvals in that ☻ [12:51] now you fixed it all [12:52] yeah, it doesn't depend on any apparmor bits any more, which will make having it in all kinds of releases a lot easier === dpm__ is now known as dpm [15:01] dpm, popey, mhall119, balloons: team call? [15:01] yep! [15:01] * balloons crossing fingers [15:03] \o/ [16:01] all rightie, got to run - see you tomorrow! :) [16:02] popey: so I was doing the once a year thing and getting a haircut, conversation somehow turned to PCs - woman cutting my hair started talking about Ubuntu, then said something about her brother doing stuff with it ... [16:02] that was hilarious :p [16:02] uhoh [16:03] where do you live, wonder if that was my sister ☻ [16:03] * elfy lives in Lymington, yes it was indeed your sister :) [16:03] haha! [16:03] thats brilliant [16:04] so that's a little bit closer to finally meeting you lol [16:04] heh [17:03] you two haven't actually met in person yet? [17:05] nope [17:05] I've only met one person in the 7 years I've been floating about [17:07] oddly I was in lymington on saturday, passing through from the isle of wight ferry [17:08] I heard about that [17:09] but I didn't get the lowdown on any 35 year old stories [17:09] I'll wait till next year for those :p [17:21] :D [17:21] I'm just amazed how you got from "I'm here to have my hair cut" to "I know your brother" :D [17:32] she said about PCs - I said I don't do windows or macs - my brother's like that too then off it went - then she said Alan and I said popey :p [17:32] s/said something [17:33] did you call him "popey"? [17:33] I did :p [17:33] * mhall119 imagines his family calling him that just like the rest of us [17:41] ☻ [17:41] everyone calls me popey. [17:41] unless they're insulting me. [18:00] then they call you alan? [18:06] exactly [19:18] mhall119: have you ever thought of having Ubuntu Badges? [19:19] * belkinsa perks up as me hears Badges [19:20] http://www.openbadges.org/ [19:22] I thought that was what the accomplishments thing was [19:22] elfy: similar, but different [19:22] My question is it really needed for the Community? [19:23] bkerensa: are they still tightly bound to Personas? [19:24] Because to me, it's just more gamification. [19:24] belkinsa: I'm on the fence about their usefulness, but I'm leaning your way [19:26] I don't think pure gamification works in a collaborative community, not as well as it works in a competitive one anyway [19:27] mhall119: it uses persona by default but changing thats not hard... lots of universities and schools now use it without [19:27] Yeah, badges seem to be for competive communites. Like XPRIZE> [19:28] belkinsa: well Jono had the same idea [19:28] Ubuntu Accomplishments [19:28] was roughly the same idea [19:28] I see. [19:28] it just never got traction [19:32] just because jono had the same idea doesn't mean belkinsa is wrong [19:32] HAHA [19:32] great way to join the channel :-) [19:32] lol [19:33] mhall119: I don't think it seeks to create competition but to be a economically scalable form of recognition [19:33] lol [19:33] jono: you're just this guy you know :p [19:33] :-) [19:33] welcome jono :) [19:33] howdy mhall119 :-) [19:33] Mozilla spends millions on swag for contributors in terms of recognition each year so having a way to do that at a lower cost per is much better [19:34] Well, if it's just for recognition, maybe they could be okay within the Community. [19:34] bkerensa: that might be the intent, but I'm not convinced it acheives it [19:34] mhall119: its also useful for things like celebrating participation in events... We have badges for things like meetups, trainings and summit [19:34] jono: it's like reddit, you're the example of doing things write until I disagree with you, then what do you know [19:34] s/write/right/ [19:35] haha [19:35] indeed :-) [19:35] brb [19:35] bkerensa: if you read my recent blog posts, I emphasize the importance of human recognition, I think that's something badges don't do [19:35] mhall119: So if you can make the case to Rick I would encourage you to try and attend Mozilla's Community Building Teams next Recognition Work Group Meetup [19:35] its open to the public [19:35] bkerensa: when and where is that? online? [19:35] quite a few bay area tech companies and non profits including the Red Cross participate [19:35] ugh, bay area [19:35] mhall119: I think the next one is next month in San Francisco [19:36] otherwise it will be another six months till the next [19:36] mhall119: Oh don't worry not Oakland :P [19:36] still the other side of the continent [19:37] mhall119: let me see about remote participation via Vidyo [19:37] bkerensa: why is there no Mozilla stuff in central Florida? [19:37] * mhall119 starts "mozilla hates florida" meme [19:38] * elfy starts a "where is florida" meme [19:39] mhall119: What do you mean? I don't know how far you are from University of Florida but Mozilla does a bit of events there [19:39] about a 2 hour drive, I could make that on occasion [19:39] assuming it's on the main campus in gainesville [19:40] and I was planning on flying down to FOSSETCON in Orlando but it just didn't work out =/ [19:40] will anyone from Mozilla be at FOSSETCON? [19:42] mhall119: one of the keynote speakers [19:42] :) [19:42] who? [19:42] * mhall119 hopes it's stormy [19:43] http://fossetcon.org/2014/speakers/brandon-johnson [19:43] I kind of doubt Stormy will be going [19:43] :) [19:43] she just got done with OSCON [19:44] I can hope [19:44] but yeah [19:46] mhall119: [19:46] stormy: are you attending FOSSETCON? [19:46] * angelina-afk is now known as angelina [19:46] @bkerensa I am not planning on it. Should I? [19:46] heh [19:46] :) [19:47] I guess "catchup with old friends" isn't a valid business case for travel [19:47] well [19:47] Stormy doesn't have to justify her travel [19:48] heh she signs off on her budget since she is a director [19:48] ;p [19:48] you still have to justify it when it's not your personal money [19:49] idk I have seen it all :) [19:49] when you see a $7,000 sushi and sake bill :) [19:55] heh, that sounds like sales consultant expenses [19:55] when I worked at Verizon, the IBM sales guys wouldn't hesitate to drop $10k taking managers out [19:56] or so I heard, not being a manager I didn't get to experience it myself [19:56] the HP guys were at least cool enough to take us all out for pizza [19:57] mhall119: that was for the community building team dinner [19:57] The team is pretty large though but I didn't honestly think we would pay $7k plus $1k for a tip out the door [19:58] the food was pretty good :) [19:58] also the last dinner I got to have with Brendan Eich [20:16] a former canonical employee who did business dev actually stopped by our booth and mentioned he thought it was a hard sell [20:17] oh wow he was the Business Development Director for Canonical even [20:17] :s