[01:24] <grendal_prime> hi
[01:24] <grendal_prime> whasup?
[01:24] <rww> 01:24:45 -!- Irssi: Ban against grendal_prime!*@*$#ubuntu-ops matches grendal_prime!~sgraham@173-166-255-77-stockton.hfc.comcastbusiness.net (Set by  ikonia!~irc@unaffiliated/ikonia)
[01:24] <rww> let's see...
[01:25] <grendal_prime> from when?
[01:25] <rww> checking, sec
[01:25] <grendal_prime> would have been long time ago.
[01:25] <grendal_prime> i wasnt even  talking in  ubuntu.
[01:26] <grendal_prime> by the way that addres is totally correct on the money i wont deny that
[01:26] <grendal_prime> and i have geen kicked before
[01:26] <rww> Jul 21 2014 06:22:16
[01:26] <grendal_prime> this month?
[01:26] <grendal_prime> there is no way
[01:26] <rww> clearly there is, since that's when it happened :)
[01:27] <grendal_prime> i started working on my bach degree at the beginning of this month i have had no time for ubuntu irc
[01:27] <grendal_prime> was not me...why is this comming up right now by the way?
[01:28] <grendal_prime> the only thing i have irced in over a month started last night for minetest for my kids.
[01:28] <rww> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2014/07/21/%23ubuntu.html#t05:47
[01:28] <rww> and yes, it was you
[01:29] <grendal_prime> ya i do remember that conversation now...that was this month?
[01:29] <grendal_prime> wow..ok i have not read all of it...
[01:29] <rww> It was less than a week ago.
[01:30] <grendal_prime> really?
[01:30] <rww> That is what 2014/07/21 means, yes
[01:30] <rww> since it is currently 2014/07/27
[01:30] <grendal_prime> ok where do i get banned and why?
[01:30] <rww> and 27 - 21 = 6
[01:30] <rww> and 6 is less than 7, which is how long a week is
[01:30] <grendal_prime> ok
[01:30] <grendal_prime> look im sorry i totally forgot about the conversation...what is this about?
[01:31] <grendal_prime> i dont even see where i got banned?
[01:31] <rww> let's see... you have a history of being a jerk and called apple users apes, you were being offtopic instead of giving support, and you have a history of this
[01:31] <rww> bans don't show up in irclogs.ubuntu.com
[01:31] <rww> the jerk bit is from the ban comment, it's not my wording
[01:32] <grendal_prime> hold on im looking for the conversation
[01:34] <grendal_prime> oh ...ok
[01:35] <grendal_prime> i dont know what to say...i though the people there where pretty thick skinned
[01:35] <grendal_prime> the still had questions...its to bad..i can give assistance with things like virtualization.
[01:35] <grendal_prime> have a good one
[01:36] <rww> Thanks, you too. If you're all sorted, please /part the chanel, thanks :)
[01:36] <grendal_prime> wait...are you doing some sort of clean up maint....like its slow there so you were looking up people that were connected to the server to see if there were anybody...i dont understand...why this is comming up now..i wasnt logging into ubunt.
[01:37] <rww> I'm sorry, I don't understand the question.
[01:37] <IdleOne> you must have tried to join #ubuntu and got forwarded here
[01:37] <rww> Your ban was set on the day you were last in #ubuntu (six days ago). You haven't been in there since then until now. That's why this is coming up now.
[01:37] <grendal_prime> oh,,, this client auto joined the channe.
[01:37] <rww> Ah.
[01:38] <grendal_prime> sorry i was totally confused.
[01:38] <grendal_prime> this poped up on my im cleint i was like..."what? the freenode cops found me!!"
[01:38] <grendal_prime> hehehe
[01:38] <rww> hehe
[01:38] <rww> yes, sorry, channel forwards are a bit confusing :)
[01:39] <grendal_prime> well thing is all these new clients...kinda lump it all togther and whatnot.
[01:39] <grendal_prime> and since the ubuntu channel didnt show up i didnt think i had even tried to join
[01:41] <grendal_prime> well anyway sorry if you are an apple user.  didnt mean to offend. Honestly most apple users (with the accpetioin of some of my field engins) will straight up tell  you..."ya i dont want to know anything about computers thats why i have apple"
[01:41] <grendal_prime> its the honest to god truth.
[01:41] <rww> I'm not an Apple user, and I suspect even ikonia isn't. It's more an example of a problematic attitude.
[01:41] <grendal_prime> oh ya and i do have that.
[01:41] <grendal_prime> im usally the boss.
[01:42] <grendal_prime> I dont typically check my opinions at the door.
[01:42] <grendal_prime> i find they seriously hamper progress
[01:42] <rww> opinions? yes, I find they hamper progress in #ubuntu too
[01:42] <rww> we prefer to stick to helpful facts as a result
[01:43] <grendal_prime> sorry what i ment was if i pussy foot around topics try to frame things so people feel better about making mistakes...it waists their time.
[01:43] <grendal_prime> this is more than a personal observation.
[01:44] <rww> oh?
[01:44] <grendal_prime> ya
[01:44] <grendal_prime> see i tend to give people reasons
[01:44] <grendal_prime> see you can ge answers like this...
[01:44] <grendal_prime> "try version 14.10"
[01:44] <grendal_prime> or..
[01:44] <grendal_prime> you can get answers like this...
[01:45] <grendal_prime> "ya all i know is i dont use that version for servers cause..well its not LTS and i run that same thing on my lts servers and that shit is solid"
[01:45] <grendal_prime> feel me
[01:45] <grendal_prime> ?
[01:46] <rww> unfortunately, we wouldn't really like either of those answers in #ubuntu. One recommends a pre-release, and one involves cursing (which isn't allowed in #ubuntu)
[01:46] <grendal_prime> and im talking like between you and me.
[01:47] <grendal_prime> right but you see how the second line ( !shit) at least gives some clearity as to why.  The 14.10 is an example that is past 14.04
[01:48] <grendal_prime> anyway...
[01:48] <rww> There's rather a large gap between providing explanatory reasoning to back up your support answers, and wandering about being offtopic.
[01:48] <grendal_prime> it wasnt supposed to be factual it was just an example.
[01:49] <grendal_prime> of how providing opinion and experince helps people get clarity.
[01:50] <rww> There's rather a large gap between providing explanatory opinion and experience to back up your support answers, and wandering about being offtopic
[01:50] <grendal_prime> the point of the ban is....so...i'm not allowed to give help? (no big deal apparently i was counter productive in the matter)
[01:51] <rww> The point of the ban is to keep you out of #ubuntu until you and a channel operator are on the same page (in the chanop's opinion) about appropriate conduct in #ubuntu. Since you're not allowed in there, you wouldn't be allowed to give help in there, no.
[01:52] <grendal_prime> and im supposed to feel bad about this?
[01:52] <rww> I don't think your emotional state is really relevant to the matter.
[01:52] <grendal_prime> im tring to remember why i was even in there to begin with....something to do with dual booting i think
[01:53] <grendal_prime> watevery.
[01:53] <grendal_prime> peace.
[01:53] <rww> toodles
[01:54] <rww> @mark #ubuntu-ops grendal_prime
[01:54] <rww> ikonia: ^^ fyi
[08:00] <ikonia> rww: appreciate the effort
[13:12] <MTecknology> I couldn't remember the right channel and most in here are ubuntu members. On https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership, at the bottom, the linkedin piece got taken away. Used to use the @ubuntu.com email addy to verify, but linkedin took that away and every other option is just too much manual maintenance. Three people wasn't enough anymore.
[13:13] <MTecknology> I don't want to create an ubuntu one account just to edit the wiki, so I won't be removing that piece. Anyone else doing it would be great.
[14:43] <k1l> why are they taking that #defocus stuff to #ubuntu channels all the time?
[14:45] <DJones> Biggest channel to troll
[22:37] <DickvanDike> !ops