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zequenceHi. Could someone help me understand why ubuntustudio-meta has been stuck in -proposed for such a while?07:53
zequenceI tried installing it, and it seemd to work fine07:53
zequenceThe Ubuntu Studio ISO is failing to build without our updated meta07:53
zequence..ah, libav needs to be promoted first07:58
zequenceAm I reading this correctly? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntustudio-meta08:02
xnoxzequence: yes, we are still battling with libav migration - see updates on ubuntu-release about the progress on that.08:18
xnox(mailing list that is)08:18
zequencexnox: Thanks08:43
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cjwatsonzequence: Right, please don't mess with this for the moment :)09:35
cjwatsonzequence: The full gory details are in update_output.txt (update_excuses.html is just the first stage), but can be a bit tricky to read.  See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration09:35
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Saviqslangasek, hey, when you're around, we'd like to NEW qtmir and qtmir-android from silo 6 please11:28
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jibelinfinity, are builds of Precise images disabled? there is no new build since last week (22nd)12:21
mvo_could someone please reject the update-manager in the precise-proposed queue (.17 ?) I need to do another update12:27
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infinityjibel: Ahh, yeah, they were disabled to avoid contention with trusty.  I'll turn 'em back on this morning.12:30
jibelinfinity, thanks!12:30
infinitycjwatson: Don't forget a new grub2-signed to match that grub2 in precise.  Doesn't look like that's been consistently happening.12:33
cjwatsonRight, will sort that out today12:34
infinitycjwatson: How would you feel about switching to the kernel method of versioning there (ie: signed is identical to unsigned, and then can magically build-dep and fail hard when not built against the right version)?12:40
infinitycjwatson: I know your original intent was to allow iterating signed indepedently, but I suspect the days of fine-tuning the packaging are over.12:41
infinitycjwatson: And it's way less confusing to see if they match by checking versions instead of build logs or upload dates.12:41
infinity(or binary versions, I guess, since you encode it there)12:41
cjwatsonI'd be fine with that, but I don't really want to go reorganising it today12:42
cjwatson(i.e. lack of time)12:42
infinityOh, yeah, I didn't mean go do that or I won't accept your upload. ;)12:42
infinityIt was more me volunteering to change it if you didn't object.12:42
cjwatsonIf you're feeling enthusiastic then by all means please do12:42
cjwatsonWe can always iterate independently by appending something, if we need to12:42
infinitycjwatson: I can make the version parser stop at a "+", so if we really need to iterate, it would ignore +112:46
infinity... assuming grub2 never has + in its version.12:46
cjwatsonNot very safe12:48
cjwatson(It has in the past)12:48
cjwatsonBut you could make it stop at "+signed"12:48
mvo_thanks infinity12:49
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stgraber_slangasek: I delegated testing and release of Edubuntu 14.04.1 to highvoltage so no, I wasn't planning on being around for it (I was actually offline up until about an hour ago)! :)13:26
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highvoltagestgraber: there wasn't any problems with the release, at least13:55
highvoltagestgraber: you probably should just sync the new image to your server so that I can add it back on the downloads page again13:55
stgraberhighvoltage: oh right, I'll do that later today. Thanks for taking care of everything else!13:57
highvoltagestgraber: np, we should take some time to discuss 14.10 again when you've caught up and we both have some time14:06
mvo_could someone please approve xorg-lts-transitional from precise-proposed to precise-updates? not having it breaks lts upgrades from 12.04+hwe-trusty and it just adds a bunch of transitional packages14:36
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barryinfinity: looks like zope.security is still not getting promoted :(  i suppose i botched the transition of python-zope.security-untrustedpython, but how can we fix or override that?14:54
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infinitybarry: Lemme look.15:09
infinitybarry: Oh, pitti never removed the NBS from -proposed.15:09
barryinfinity: ah15:10
infinitybarry: Should be okay after a publisher run.15:11
barryinfinity: awesome, thanks15:11
* infinity goes to lie down for an hour, not feeling so hot this morning.15:12
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argescjwatson: hello. rtg is looking for help getting the linux uploads in the utopic new queue accepted. I don't mind doing it, but just wanted to ask if there was anything specific I need to check before clicking accept.15:31
ScottKIIRC overrides on kernel uploads are special.15:35
ScottKinfinity would know as well.15:35
xnoxarges: are you archive admin these days as well?15:36
xnoxarges: i thought you were SRU only.15:36
xnoxso you are. =) interesting.15:36
* xnox notes down to bug arges next time =)15:36
argesxnox: well, its only for limited cases (kernel stuff), not for general use15:37
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cjwatsonarges: Use kernel-overrides from u-a-t15:57
cjwatsonBeyond that it's pretty turnkey15:57
argescjwatson: ok so the linux* binaries here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= . I click accept, then I need to change-override them back to main15:57
arges( just reviewing so i don't mess it up15:58
cjwatsonNo no no no no no no15:58
cjwatsonUse kernel-overrides first15:58
argescjwatson: this is why i asked. Ok so which kernel-overrides options, should i be using. Or are the defaults setup to target new uploads in the development queue?16:00
cjwatsonRight, so for ordinary kernels in utopic you basically just want "kernel-overrides 3.14.0-1" or whatever the new ABI is16:01
cjwatsonIt'll print a bunch of dots as it works through the existing overrides and copies them over16:02
cjwatsonThen I'd suggest "queue info linux | less" and make sure everything's in main16:02
cjwatsonThen "queue accept linux"16:02
cjwatsonYou need different options to k-o if you're dealing with a source package other than linux, or for other series16:03
argescjwatson: makes sense. In this case I think I got it. I'll take care of this one then16:03
cjwatsonCool, thanks16:04
cjwatsonoh yes of *course* now there's a protobuf-c transition as well16:28
cjwatsonit was in danger of being too simple16:28
xnoxcjwatson: i'm doing abiword / libwps+friends16:38
xnoxcause i think that's in the mix now as well.16:38
cjwatsonIsn't that just held back by autopkgtests or similar?16:40
cjwatsonAh, no, I see16:41
dokocjwatson, any particular package you want some help?16:42
cjwatsondoko: I don't think there's too much left now ...16:45
cjwatsonJust this libwps/etc. stuff, and I'm fixing criu and crtools16:46
dokook, looking at libps16:46
dokowps even16:47
barryinfinity: \o/ zope.security (4.0.1-1ubuntu2) utopic; urgency=medium16:48
cjwatsondoko: well, xnox said he was doing those ...16:49
dokooh, fine16:49
xnoxdoko: well i'm deep in abiword, you can pick something else. E.g. inkscape, or like libreoffice no change rebuild.16:49
dokogoing back to toolchain issues16:49
cjwatsonwe need a libreoffice build?!  ffs16:50
cjwatsonhate hate16:50
* xnox failed at tricking doko into libreoffice TIL16:50
xnoxISO C++ forbids declaration of 'parameter' with no type  =>>>> well, can't you just do it anyway please?! =)16:50
slangasekSaviq: silos bypass the NEW queue (which is a bug), which is why I pre-reviewed the qtmir packages and signed off on them16:51
cjwatsonslangasek: only for binaries16:51
dokoxnox, I'm behind that =)16:51
slangasekSaviq: then what cjwatson said; in which case someone needs to upload it so I can process it in NEW? :)16:52
Saviqslangasek, yeah, we need it to be in distro before the silo lands anyway, as we need a new ubuntu-touch-meta16:52
cjwatsonhaha, good luck with that16:52
cjwatsonthat's now blocked on the megatransition of doom16:52
slangasekmm? "in distro before the silo lands"?16:52
cjwatsonoh wait maybe it isn't16:53
slangasekwhat's the megatransition of doom?16:53
cjwatsonjust a dependency removal, shouldn't get stuck16:53
cjwatsonlibav etc.16:53
Saviqslangasek, we need a new seed, which can only be built after qtmir{,-gles} is in the archive16:53
xnoxslangasek: gnutls, libav, wps, cdr, libwpg, libvisio, libwps, and so on and so worth16:53
Saviqslangasek, I was thinking you guys could just bincopy from silo16:53
cjwatsonSaviq: that's what publishing a silo is16:54
slangasekSaviq: "you guys" - that's exactly what the citrain does, why does the "publish" button not work here for you?16:54
Saviqslangasek, it does, just didn't want a separate silo, but if that's what we need then we just need a bincopy into a different sil16:54
Saviqand land that16:54
cjwatsonwhy do you need a separate silo?16:54
cjwatsonyou can build extra stuff in a silo even after it's published16:54
cjwatsonor if it's just ubuntu-touch-meta, that's usually just uploaded directly anyway16:55
Saviqcjwatson, but I can't land the silo before I get new ubuntu-touch-meta in there, which I can't generate before qtmir is in archive16:55
cjwatsonwell sure you can16:55
slangasekSaviq: why can't you land the silo?16:55
cjwatsonyou can just make the changes by hand16:55
Saviqcjwatson, right, that I can do16:56
cjwatsonor you can temporarily point update.cfg at a PPA in addition to the archiv16:56
cjwatsonnothing wrong with that16:56
Saviqcjwatson, hmm I was told otherwise16:56
cjwatsonyou were told wrong16:56
Saviqok then, let's see16:56
cjwatsonjust make sure to undo the update.cfg change before building the source package16:56
cjwatsonpersonally I'd probably just edit the relevant files directly and make sure it all matches, but either way16:57
slangasekI also still don't see why you need to update the meta package to land the other pieces16:57
slangasekif landing this breaks the image because some essential component will fall out of the image, then something other than the metapackage should surely have been depending on it16:58
cjwatsonI was assuming that you just needed a metapackage addition in order to test the whole thing; but yes, if it's for the reason slangasek suggests, then that would be a bad reason16:59
Saviqcjwatson, slangasek, so... this whole situation is because of the -android and -desktop packages that are built from qtmir and qtmir-gles (there's a respective problem with qtubuntu as well)17:04
Saviqcjwatson, slangasek, neither is really a good default, as it depends on where you install17:04
slangasekso the metapackage is used to pick the default17:05
Saviqslangasek, yes17:05
slangasekyeah, that's reasonable17:05
cjwatsonxnox: Actually, libwps etc. is a separate transition, amazingly17:05
slangaseksorry for being slow on the uptake17:05
cjwatsonxnox: IF you don't entangle it by uploading anything else17:05
Saviqslangasek, no worries, I had to clear my head on that as well17:05
* Saviq prepares a meta17:05
cjwatsonxnox: I think this all has some chance of clearing once criu and crtools are built and once p-m notices the re-run marble autopkgtest17:07
xnoxcjwatson: calligra not in it?17:07
cjwatsonOh, maybe it is17:07
cjwatsonOf course, calligra is hidden by the marble failure17:07
cjwatsonHow depressing17:07
xnoxwe really should tackle this mess with full force. cause it's been way too long.17:08
cjwatsonYeah, we should get this done before a2 freezes otherwise the probability of success diminishes further17:09
cjwatsonI'll see if I can no-change rebuild libreoffice somehow17:09
ScottKDid librevenge get promoted?17:11
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xnoxScottK: looks like it's in main to me.17:12
cjwatsoncalligra builds now, it's just stuck on other things17:13
cjwatsonThe recent KDE update didn't help17:13
xnoxabiword uploaded, taking inkscape17:41
xnoxdoko: did you just DDOS all buildds, thus it's pointless in trying to resolve this migration of doom?! =)17:42
slangasekDDOS how?17:44
xnoxslangasek: all gcc's got uploaded or something.17:50
ScottKAt least three.17:50
xnoxthus my humble universe uploads are to start never =)17:51
cjwatsondigikam uploaded (for megatransition)18:09
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infinityarges, cjwatson: kernel-overrides is obsolete as of precise (at least for master), all the bianries are in main, all the time.21:50
cjwatsonwell it potentially fixes section and priority ...21:51
infinityWhich also means the queue gets it right for Tim's uploads to the archive.21:51
argesinfinity: i was wondering why they were all already in main21:51
infinitycjwatson: If section and prio are wrong, I make Andy and Tim fix it in the packaging. ;)21:51
cjwatsonthere is that21:51
argesinfinity: did running kernel-overrides break anything then? or was it a noop?21:52
infinityarges: I'm assuming it told you what it was doing.21:52
infinityI haven't used it literally in years, I don't recall what it does.21:52
cjwatsonno-op at worst.21:53
argesYea, it didn't mention much other than the names/versions of the packages and printing some dots on the screen. But checking queue info showed that they were still in main before and afterward21:54
argesinfinity: so I assume that I forgot to accept the linux-signed package, and you just did that?21:56
infinityarges: Aye.21:58
xnoxbritney is useless with all the arch-skew, so hopefully powerpc catches up by tomorrow.22:05
infinityxnox: Err, really?  Building libreoffice with bundled libs? :(22:07
infinityxnox: That's not how you transition.22:08
xnoxinfinity: just the mini small ones. Sweetshark has rc4 ready which builds those as system shared libs.22:08
xnoxinfinity: but it FTBFS at the moment.22:08
xnoxinfinity: and we want to transition the doom pile, preferably without fixing new libreoffice upstream FTBFS.22:08
infinityxnox: I don't want anyone to take this as a cue to start doing that more.22:08
infinityxnox: Why couldn't libreoffice have just rebuilt against the current versions of those libs?22:09
infinityxnox: It's an upload either way.22:09
xnoxinfinity: because next upstream release was ported and tested against the new versions, 4.2 was not.22:09
infinityFeh.  Well, that new upstream better come along soon.22:10
xnoxinfinity: it was meant to be ready last week, but slipped into this week instead.22:12
xnoxinfinity: but colin and I hope to get the transition of doom in before alpha2 freeze =)22:12
xnoxand hence without 4.3 final.22:12
xnoxthe longer we keep this mess the more smaller transitions get intertweened into it.22:13
infinityxnox: I'm going to cancel that LibO PPC build and aim it at sagari later.  Don't panic when you get the fail mail. :P22:16
xnoxinfinity: alright, thanks. I'll go back to reading 50 shades of gray22:16
infinityDon't.  It's awful.22:17
infinityNot the content, but the grammar.22:17
cjwatsonxnox: I'd suggested skipping the NBS for now; did you miss that message?22:17
infinityWell, the content is laughable too.22:17
cjwatsonlaughable and abusive.22:18
cjwatsoninfinity: are you aiming LibO at sagari now?  I see it on manual22:43
infinitycjwatson: Yes.22:47
cjwatsonok, thanks22:48
xnoxinfinity: cjwatson: well, I found quotes from the parody funny and even the parody will get the movie (50 sheds of gray) and i'm sure i'll be dragged into watching them all, so i figured i should read them.23:32
xnoxcjwatson: skipping the NBS would help, but it might all migrate by itself tomorrow or just require smaller things to be built.23:32
slangasek50 sheds of gray?  Are these bikesheds?23:35
* skellat remembers he was once a librarian and worries over the state of "literature" these days23:36
RAOFGah! The version of gnome-do in 14.04 fails to build from source :(23:36
cjwatsonHm, autopkgtest execution queue rather backed up23:40
slangasekso what's the right way to fix the seed interdependencies?23:45
cjwatsonIdeally, this should be detected at runtime rather than relying on fragile alternatives23:45
cjwatsonI'm not sure how this can be fixed at the seed level23:46
slangasekno way to make touch-core inherit from desktop|touch-android, then :-)23:46
cjwatsonNot so much :)23:50
xnoxslangasek: https://twitter.com/50ShedsofGrey   for quotes.23:58
xnoxRAOF: i did mention that in malta.... =)23:58
RAOFxnox: I clearly forgot :/23:59

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