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| zequence | Hi. Could someone help me understand why ubuntustudio-meta has been stuck in -proposed for such a while? | 07:53 |
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| zequence | I tried installing it, and it seemd to work fine | 07:53 |
| zequence | The Ubuntu Studio ISO is failing to build without our updated meta | 07:53 |
| zequence | ..ah, libav needs to be promoted first | 07:58 |
| zequence | or? | 07:59 |
| zequence | Am I reading this correctly? http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#ubuntustudio-meta | 08:02 |
| xnox | zequence: yes, we are still battling with libav migration - see updates on ubuntu-release about the progress on that. | 08:18 |
| xnox | (mailing list that is) | 08:18 |
| zequence | xnox: Thanks | 08:43 |
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| cjwatson | zequence: Right, please don't mess with this for the moment :) | 09:35 |
| cjwatson | zequence: The full gory details are in update_output.txt (update_excuses.html is just the first stage), but can be a bit tricky to read. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration | 09:35 |
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| Saviq | slangasek, hey, when you're around, we'd like to NEW qtmir and qtmir-android from silo 6 please | 11:28 |
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| jibel | infinity, are builds of Precise images disabled? there is no new build since last week (22nd) | 12:21 |
| mvo_ | could someone please reject the update-manager in the precise-proposed queue (.17 ?) I need to do another update | 12:27 |
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| infinity | jibel: Ahh, yeah, they were disabled to avoid contention with trusty. I'll turn 'em back on this morning. | 12:30 |
| jibel | infinity, thanks! | 12:30 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Don't forget a new grub2-signed to match that grub2 in precise. Doesn't look like that's been consistently happening. | 12:33 |
| cjwatson | Right, will sort that out today | 12:34 |
| infinity | cjwatson: How would you feel about switching to the kernel method of versioning there (ie: signed is identical to unsigned, and then can magically build-dep and fail hard when not built against the right version)? | 12:40 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I know your original intent was to allow iterating signed indepedently, but I suspect the days of fine-tuning the packaging are over. | 12:41 |
| infinity | cjwatson: And it's way less confusing to see if they match by checking versions instead of build logs or upload dates. | 12:41 |
| infinity | (or binary versions, I guess, since you encode it there) | 12:41 |
| cjwatson | I'd be fine with that, but I don't really want to go reorganising it today | 12:42 |
| cjwatson | (i.e. lack of time) | 12:42 |
| infinity | Oh, yeah, I didn't mean go do that or I won't accept your upload. ;) | 12:42 |
| infinity | It was more me volunteering to change it if you didn't object. | 12:42 |
| cjwatson | If you're feeling enthusiastic then by all means please do | 12:42 |
| cjwatson | We can always iterate independently by appending something, if we need to | 12:42 |
| infinity | cjwatson: I can make the version parser stop at a "+", so if we really need to iterate, it would ignore +1 | 12:46 |
| infinity | ... assuming grub2 never has + in its version. | 12:46 |
| cjwatson | Not very safe | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | (It has in the past) | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | But you could make it stop at "+signed" | 12:48 |
| cjwatson | (say) | 12:48 |
| mvo_ | thanks infinity | 12:49 |
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| stgraber_ | slangasek: I delegated testing and release of Edubuntu 14.04.1 to highvoltage so no, I wasn't planning on being around for it (I was actually offline up until about an hour ago)! :) | 13:26 |
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| highvoltage | stgraber: there wasn't any problems with the release, at least | 13:55 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: you probably should just sync the new image to your server so that I can add it back on the downloads page again | 13:55 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: oh right, I'll do that later today. Thanks for taking care of everything else! | 13:57 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: np, we should take some time to discuss 14.10 again when you've caught up and we both have some time | 14:06 |
| mvo_ | could someone please approve xorg-lts-transitional from precise-proposed to precise-updates? not having it breaks lts upgrades from 12.04+hwe-trusty and it just adds a bunch of transitional packages | 14:36 |
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| barry | infinity: looks like zope.security is still not getting promoted :( i suppose i botched the transition of python-zope.security-untrustedpython, but how can we fix or override that? | 14:54 |
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| infinity | barry: Lemme look. | 15:09 |
| infinity | barry: Oh, pitti never removed the NBS from -proposed. | 15:09 |
| barry | infinity: ah | 15:10 |
| infinity | Fixing. | 15:10 |
| infinity | barry: Should be okay after a publisher run. | 15:11 |
| barry | infinity: awesome, thanks | 15:11 |
| * infinity goes to lie down for an hour, not feeling so hot this morning. | 15:12 | |
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| arges | cjwatson: hello. rtg is looking for help getting the linux uploads in the utopic new queue accepted. I don't mind doing it, but just wanted to ask if there was anything specific I need to check before clicking accept. | 15:31 |
| ScottK | IIRC overrides on kernel uploads are special. | 15:35 |
| ScottK | infinity would know as well. | 15:35 |
| xnox | arges: are you archive admin these days as well? | 15:36 |
| xnox | arges: i thought you were SRU only. | 15:36 |
| xnox | so you are. =) interesting. | 15:36 |
| * xnox notes down to bug arges next time =) | 15:36 | |
| arges | xnox: well, its only for limited cases (kernel stuff), not for general use | 15:37 |
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| cjwatson | arges: Use kernel-overrides from u-a-t | 15:57 |
| cjwatson | Beyond that it's pretty turnkey | 15:57 |
| arges | cjwatson: ok so the linux* binaries here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+queue?queue_state=0&queue_text= . I click accept, then I need to change-override them back to main | 15:57 |
| arges | ( just reviewing so i don't mess it up | 15:58 |
| cjwatson | No no no no no no no | 15:58 |
| cjwatson | Use kernel-overrides first | 15:58 |
| arges | cjwatson: this is why i asked. Ok so which kernel-overrides options, should i be using. Or are the defaults setup to target new uploads in the development queue? | 16:00 |
| cjwatson | Right, so for ordinary kernels in utopic you basically just want "kernel-overrides 3.14.0-1" or whatever the new ABI is | 16:01 |
| cjwatson | It'll print a bunch of dots as it works through the existing overrides and copies them over | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | Then I'd suggest "queue info linux | less" and make sure everything's in main | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | Then "queue accept linux" | 16:02 |
| cjwatson | You need different options to k-o if you're dealing with a source package other than linux, or for other series | 16:03 |
| arges | cjwatson: makes sense. In this case I think I got it. I'll take care of this one then | 16:03 |
| arges | Thanks | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | Cool, thanks | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | oh yes of *course* now there's a protobuf-c transition as well | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | it was in danger of being too simple | 16:28 |
| doko | =) | 16:29 |
| xnox | cjwatson: i'm doing abiword / libwps+friends | 16:38 |
| xnox | cause i think that's in the mix now as well. | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | Isn't that just held back by autopkgtests or similar? | 16:40 |
| cjwatson | Ah, no, I see | 16:41 |
| doko | cjwatson, any particular package you want some help? | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | doko: I don't think there's too much left now ... | 16:45 |
| cjwatson | Just this libwps/etc. stuff, and I'm fixing criu and crtools | 16:46 |
| doko | ok, looking at libps | 16:46 |
| doko | wps even | 16:47 |
| barry | infinity: \o/ zope.security (4.0.1-1ubuntu2) utopic; urgency=medium | 16:48 |
| cjwatson | doko: well, xnox said he was doing those ... | 16:49 |
| doko | oh, fine | 16:49 |
| xnox | doko: well i'm deep in abiword, you can pick something else. E.g. inkscape, or like libreoffice no change rebuild. | 16:49 |
| doko | going back to toolchain issues | 16:49 |
| xnox | =)))) | 16:49 |
| cjwatson | we need a libreoffice build?! ffs | 16:50 |
| cjwatson | hate hate | 16:50 |
| * xnox failed at tricking doko into libreoffice TIL | 16:50 | |
| xnox | ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'parameter' with no type =>>>> well, can't you just do it anyway please?! =) | 16:50 |
| slangasek | Saviq: silos bypass the NEW queue (which is a bug), which is why I pre-reviewed the qtmir packages and signed off on them | 16:51 |
| cjwatson | slangasek: only for binaries | 16:51 |
| doko | xnox, I'm behind that =) | 16:51 |
| slangasek | ah | 16:51 |
| slangasek | Saviq: then what cjwatson said; in which case someone needs to upload it so I can process it in NEW? :) | 16:52 |
| Saviq | slangasek, yeah, we need it to be in distro before the silo lands anyway, as we need a new ubuntu-touch-meta | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | haha, good luck with that | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | that's now blocked on the megatransition of doom | 16:52 |
| slangasek | mm? "in distro before the silo lands"? | 16:52 |
| cjwatson | oh wait maybe it isn't | 16:53 |
| slangasek | what's the megatransition of doom? | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | just a dependency removal, shouldn't get stuck | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | libav etc. | 16:53 |
| Saviq | slangasek, we need a new seed, which can only be built after qtmir{,-gles} is in the archive | 16:53 |
| xnox | slangasek: gnutls, libav, wps, cdr, libwpg, libvisio, libwps, and so on and so worth | 16:53 |
| Saviq | slangasek, I was thinking you guys could just bincopy from silo | 16:53 |
| cjwatson | Saviq: that's what publishing a silo is | 16:54 |
| slangasek | Saviq: "you guys" - that's exactly what the citrain does, why does the "publish" button not work here for you? | 16:54 |
| Saviq | slangasek, it does, just didn't want a separate silo, but if that's what we need then we just need a bincopy into a different sil | 16:54 |
| Saviq | o | 16:54 |
| Saviq | and land that | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | why do you need a separate silo? | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | you can build extra stuff in a silo even after it's published | 16:54 |
| cjwatson | or if it's just ubuntu-touch-meta, that's usually just uploaded directly anyway | 16:55 |
| Saviq | cjwatson, but I can't land the silo before I get new ubuntu-touch-meta in there, which I can't generate before qtmir is in archive | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | well sure you can | 16:55 |
| slangasek | Saviq: why can't you land the silo? | 16:55 |
| cjwatson | you can just make the changes by hand | 16:55 |
| Saviq | cjwatson, right, that I can do | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | or you can temporarily point update.cfg at a PPA in addition to the archiv | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | nothing wrong with that | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | e | 16:56 |
| Saviq | cjwatson, hmm I was told otherwise | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | you were told wrong | 16:56 |
| Saviq | ok then, let's see | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | just make sure to undo the update.cfg change before building the source package | 16:56 |
| cjwatson | personally I'd probably just edit the relevant files directly and make sure it all matches, but either way | 16:57 |
| slangasek | I also still don't see why you need to update the meta package to land the other pieces | 16:57 |
| slangasek | if landing this breaks the image because some essential component will fall out of the image, then something other than the metapackage should surely have been depending on it | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 16:58 |
| cjwatson | I was assuming that you just needed a metapackage addition in order to test the whole thing; but yes, if it's for the reason slangasek suggests, then that would be a bad reason | 16:59 |
| Saviq | cjwatson, slangasek, so... this whole situation is because of the -android and -desktop packages that are built from qtmir and qtmir-gles (there's a respective problem with qtubuntu as well) | 17:04 |
| Saviq | cjwatson, slangasek, neither is really a good default, as it depends on where you install | 17:04 |
| slangasek | ok | 17:05 |
| slangasek | so the metapackage is used to pick the default | 17:05 |
| Saviq | slangasek, yes | 17:05 |
| slangasek | yeah, that's reasonable | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | xnox: Actually, libwps etc. is a separate transition, amazingly | 17:05 |
| slangasek | sorry for being slow on the uptake | 17:05 |
| cjwatson | xnox: IF you don't entangle it by uploading anything else | 17:05 |
| Saviq | slangasek, no worries, I had to clear my head on that as well | 17:05 |
| * Saviq prepares a meta | 17:05 | |
| cjwatson | xnox: I think this all has some chance of clearing once criu and crtools are built and once p-m notices the re-run marble autopkgtest | 17:07 |
| xnox | cjwatson: calligra not in it? | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | Oh, maybe it is | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | Of course, calligra is hidden by the marble failure | 17:07 |
| cjwatson | How depressing | 17:07 |
| xnox | we really should tackle this mess with full force. cause it's been way too long. | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | Yeah, we should get this done before a2 freezes otherwise the probability of success diminishes further | 17:09 |
| cjwatson | I'll see if I can no-change rebuild libreoffice somehow | 17:09 |
| ScottK | Did librevenge get promoted? | 17:11 |
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| xnox | ScottK: looks like it's in main to me. | 17:12 |
| cjwatson | Yeah | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | calligra builds now, it's just stuck on other things | 17:13 |
| cjwatson | The recent KDE update didn't help | 17:13 |
| xnox | abiword uploaded, taking inkscape | 17:41 |
| xnox | doko: did you just DDOS all buildds, thus it's pointless in trying to resolve this migration of doom?! =) | 17:42 |
| slangasek | DDOS how? | 17:44 |
| xnox | slangasek: all gcc's got uploaded or something. | 17:50 |
| ScottK | At least three. | 17:50 |
| xnox | thus my humble universe uploads are to start never =) | 17:51 |
| cjwatson | digikam uploaded (for megatransition) | 18:09 |
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| infinity | arges, cjwatson: kernel-overrides is obsolete as of precise (at least for master), all the bianries are in main, all the time. | 21:50 |
| cjwatson | well it potentially fixes section and priority ... | 21:51 |
| infinity | Which also means the queue gets it right for Tim's uploads to the archive. | 21:51 |
| arges | infinity: i was wondering why they were all already in main | 21:51 |
| infinity | cjwatson: If section and prio are wrong, I make Andy and Tim fix it in the packaging. ;) | 21:51 |
| cjwatson | there is that | 21:51 |
| arges | infinity: did running kernel-overrides break anything then? or was it a noop? | 21:52 |
| infinity | arges: I'm assuming it told you what it was doing. | 21:52 |
| infinity | I haven't used it literally in years, I don't recall what it does. | 21:52 |
| cjwatson | no-op at worst. | 21:53 |
| arges | Yea, it didn't mention much other than the names/versions of the packages and printing some dots on the screen. But checking queue info showed that they were still in main before and afterward | 21:54 |
| arges | infinity: so I assume that I forgot to accept the linux-signed package, and you just did that? | 21:56 |
| infinity | arges: Aye. | 21:58 |
| arges | noted | 21:58 |
| xnox | britney is useless with all the arch-skew, so hopefully powerpc catches up by tomorrow. | 22:05 |
| infinity | xnox: Err, really? Building libreoffice with bundled libs? :( | 22:07 |
| infinity | xnox: That's not how you transition. | 22:08 |
| xnox | infinity: just the mini small ones. Sweetshark has rc4 ready which builds those as system shared libs. | 22:08 |
| xnox | infinity: but it FTBFS at the moment. | 22:08 |
| xnox | infinity: and we want to transition the doom pile, preferably without fixing new libreoffice upstream FTBFS. | 22:08 |
| infinity | xnox: I don't want anyone to take this as a cue to start doing that more. | 22:08 |
| infinity | xnox: Why couldn't libreoffice have just rebuilt against the current versions of those libs? | 22:09 |
| infinity | xnox: It's an upload either way. | 22:09 |
| xnox | infinity: because next upstream release was ported and tested against the new versions, 4.2 was not. | 22:09 |
| infinity | Feh. Well, that new upstream better come along soon. | 22:10 |
| xnox | infinity: it was meant to be ready last week, but slipped into this week instead. | 22:12 |
| xnox | infinity: but colin and I hope to get the transition of doom in before alpha2 freeze =) | 22:12 |
| xnox | and hence without 4.3 final. | 22:12 |
| xnox | the longer we keep this mess the more smaller transitions get intertweened into it. | 22:13 |
| infinity | xnox: I'm going to cancel that LibO PPC build and aim it at sagari later. Don't panic when you get the fail mail. :P | 22:16 |
| xnox | infinity: alright, thanks. I'll go back to reading 50 shades of gray | 22:16 |
| infinity | ... | 22:17 |
| infinity | Don't. It's awful. | 22:17 |
| infinity | Not the content, but the grammar. | 22:17 |
| cjwatson | xnox: I'd suggested skipping the NBS for now; did you miss that message? | 22:17 |
| infinity | Well, the content is laughable too. | 22:17 |
| cjwatson | laughable and abusive. | 22:18 |
| cjwatson | infinity: are you aiming LibO at sagari now? I see it on manual | 22:43 |
| infinity | cjwatson: Yes. | 22:47 |
| cjwatson | ok, thanks | 22:48 |
| xnox | infinity: cjwatson: well, I found quotes from the parody funny and even the parody will get the movie (50 sheds of gray) and i'm sure i'll be dragged into watching them all, so i figured i should read them. | 23:32 |
| xnox | cjwatson: skipping the NBS would help, but it might all migrate by itself tomorrow or just require smaller things to be built. | 23:32 |
| slangasek | 50 sheds of gray? Are these bikesheds? | 23:35 |
| * skellat remembers he was once a librarian and worries over the state of "literature" these days | 23:36 | |
| RAOF | Gah! The version of gnome-do in 14.04 fails to build from source :( | 23:36 |
| bluesabre | gnome-don't | 23:38 |
| bluesabre | :) | 23:38 |
| cjwatson | Hm, autopkgtest execution queue rather backed up | 23:40 |
| slangasek | so what's the right way to fix the seed interdependencies? | 23:45 |
| cjwatson | Ideally, this should be detected at runtime rather than relying on fragile alternatives | 23:45 |
| cjwatson | I'm not sure how this can be fixed at the seed level | 23:46 |
| slangasek | no way to make touch-core inherit from desktop|touch-android, then :-) | 23:46 |
| cjwatson | Not so much :) | 23:50 |
| xnox | slangasek: https://twitter.com/50ShedsofGrey for quotes. | 23:58 |
| xnox | RAOF: i did mention that in malta.... =) | 23:58 |
| RAOF | xnox: I clearly forgot :/ | 23:59 |
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