nuvolari | oh hi | 05:30 |
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nuvolari | fp | 05:30 |
inetpro | good mornings | 05:46 |
Squirm | morning | 05:50 |
mazal | Morning everyone | 06:04 |
Kilos | hi ThatGraemeGuy mazal and others | 06:18 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 06:18 |
Kilos | did you see that lava in the code? | 06:18 |
Kilos | its massive | 06:18 |
* Symmetria murders his cats | 06:19 | |
Symmetria | I couldnt find my car keys ANYWHERE | 06:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | in the code? | 06:19 |
Symmetria | eventually I walk outside, and there is the cat with the keys swatting them around like they are some new toy | 06:19 |
Kilos | ya man the stuff you read | 06:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | massive how? i don't follow | 06:20 |
Kilos | goes on and on | 06:20 |
Kilos | source all over | 06:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | still not following | 06:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | are you talking about lava that you found somewhere? | 06:20 |
Kilos | the lava area is massive and from many source areas | 06:21 |
Kilos | you found it with the mining drill | 06:21 |
ThatGraemeGuy | uh | 06:21 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ok, not really sure where the code comes into it, but ok | 06:21 |
Kilos | i was wondering if you could read the code and see where there is lava | 06:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | oh | 06:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no | 06:22 |
mazal | Morning Kilos , ThatGraemeGuy , Symmetria | 06:23 |
Kilos | hi Symmetria | 06:23 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the code describes how things work, how a pick wears, how much health an apple gives you, how common iron is, etc. | 06:23 |
mazal | Symmetria, it could be worse , it could have been in the fridge :) | 06:23 |
Kilos | say morning before cat stories | 06:23 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the actual world contents are in the database and that isn't easily readable | 06:23 |
Symmetria | lol morning :P sorry Im just frustrated | 06:23 |
Symmetria | boss is gonna love my reason for being late for our meeting | 06:23 |
Symmetria | cat stole my keys | 06:23 |
Kilos | oh ok ty ThatGraemeGuy | 06:23 |
Symmetria | :P | 06:23 |
mazal | hehehe | 06:24 |
Kilos | hahaha | 06:24 |
mazal | Reminds me of the " the dog ate my homework " thing :) | 06:24 |
mazal | ThatGraemeGuy, I build me one of those mining lasers this weekend. Love it | 06:25 |
Symmetria | ;p always knew pussy be crazy | 06:25 |
* Symmetria runs | 06:25 | |
mazal | Just takes lots of crafting and resources to get it up to mk3 | 06:25 |
Kilos | you modern way is to say i was busy | 06:25 |
Kilos | when asked with what you say stuff | 06:25 |
mazal | Oom Kilos , have you check out yet what a watercan does to lava. Wow I love that thing | 06:27 |
mazal | Takes tones of water and just one drop is like a small dam hehehe | 06:27 |
Kilos | yip busy fighting like that now, used 10 diamond picks up on obsidian already | 06:28 |
mazal | Don't you have a laser yet ? | 06:28 |
Kilos | oh water can no i just use one bucket | 06:28 |
mazal | Make a watercan | 06:28 |
mazal | Is worth it | 06:28 |
Kilos | yes but thats dangerous near lava it can spread it | 06:29 |
mazal | Yesterday I almost destroyd a whole lake of lava with just one drop from watercan | 06:29 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: a water can is like a bucket except it holds 16 water not just 1 | 06:29 |
Kilos | sjoe | 06:29 |
mazal | And 1 drop is much more water , that's the thing | 06:29 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no it isn't | 06:29 |
mazal | A water drop from can goes much wider than bucket | 06:29 |
ThatGraemeGuy | its a water source block just like any other | 06:30 |
mazal | Not for me | 06:30 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ai | 06:30 |
ThatGraemeGuy | another one that wants to argue with the code | 06:30 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ok then | 06:30 |
Kilos | i try control the water so is doesnt convert all the running lava as well | 06:30 |
mazal | Usually from a bucket it kills 4x4 lava | 06:30 |
mazal | From the can is much wider | 06:30 |
ThatGraemeGuy | go to a big flat area, put down water from a bucket, count how far it goes | 06:30 |
Kilos | hahaha | 06:31 |
mazal | It was flat area | 06:31 |
ThatGraemeGuy | repeat with water from a can | 06:31 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if its different i'll give you R500 | 06:31 |
mazal | Was a big flat lake | 06:31 |
mazal | I was making ready for second drop and saw the water just keeps going and changed much wider lava to obsidian | 06:31 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ok | 06:32 |
Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, have you played minecraft? | 06:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: i could never bring myself to spend R300 on something that seemed kinda pointless | 06:33 |
Kilos | i was wondering if it also has the new mods we are using | 06:33 |
Kilos | ai! | 06:33 |
Kilos | that much | 06:33 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and now i can't bring myself to spend R300 on it because minetest is good enough for now | 06:33 |
Kilos | minetest is great was wondering if it isnt more advanced than minecraft | 06:34 |
ThatGraemeGuy | doubt it, minecraft has huge money behind it, minetest is just a bunch of people that are doing it for fun | 06:34 |
ThatGraemeGuy | spend some time browsing the minecraft wiki and you'll see even without mods its WAY more complex | 06:35 |
mazal | Right at the beginning I was concidering minecraft , but after all the mods was loaded I am also in the " why spend money when minetest is good enough " boat | 06:35 |
Kilos | being opensource hasnt it got more peeps helping with dev work | 06:35 |
ThatGraemeGuy | don't know | 06:35 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but its a bunch of people who do it as a fun thing | 06:36 |
ThatGraemeGuy | minecraft has a team of devs whose job it is to code minecraft all day long | 06:37 |
Kilos | yeah , and we score | 06:37 |
Kilos | oh ok | 06:37 |
ThatGraemeGuy | http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_Wiki, take a look you'll see | 06:37 |
Kilos | too much to read | 06:38 |
Kilos | sjoe | 06:38 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: we have enough stainless steel blocks for the reactor now. i need to start making concrete and blast-resistant concrete sometime and then we can build it | 06:40 |
ThatGraemeGuy | need to find a good location and then also i want to look into one of the area ownership mods to prevent accidental damage to the reactor building | 06:41 |
Kilos | cool ill start making some tonight, i spose they are in the recipes | 06:41 |
ThatGraemeGuy | last thing we need is someone accidentally firing a mining laser blast at the reactor building :-o | 06:41 |
Kilos | yeah we dont want a kernobil thing | 06:42 |
Kilos | that russian one that blew | 06:42 |
ThatGraemeGuy | there are a few mods that allow you to define ownership of an area so nobody can dig blocks unless they are the owner | 06:43 |
Kilos | im scared of using that mk3 lazer unless im past everything and everyone | 06:43 |
Kilos | thats good | 06:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i was thinking i can sign in to the game as the superadmin player, then make it, then even i can't accidentally damage it when i log in with my normal player | 06:43 |
Kilos | found marble now deep down | 06:43 |
Kilos | thats a good idea | 06:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i have a lot of marble but as yet haven't found any good use for it | 06:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | except maybe a big marble building | 06:44 |
Kilos | did you take the uranium too? | 06:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i did | 06:45 |
Kilos | cool | 06:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | we have 21 fuel rods already | 06:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | that's 3.5 weeks' worth | 06:45 |
Kilos | we should have enough to keep going a while | 06:45 |
Kilos | whew how many uranium ingots in a rod? | 06:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 120 uranium lumps goes into 6 fuel rods | 06:46 |
Kilos | whew | 06:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 5 lumps makes 1 enriched uranium ingot, and 4 of those ingots go into 1 fuel rod | 06:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and 6 rods are needed for the reactor to be powered | 06:47 |
Kilos | wow hungry monster hey | 06:47 |
Kilos | now well need lots of hv cable and converters | 06:47 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it is, but it generates a ton of power | 06:48 |
Kilos | is the toolbox only mv | 06:48 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and unlike solar its avaialble constantly | 06:48 |
Kilos | oh you must go see the power from my lv setup | 06:48 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yes only mv | 06:48 |
Kilos | power up lots with extra arrays | 06:48 |
Kilos | building batteries and all that stuff is very time consuming | 06:49 |
Kilos | i was thinking of getting solar power in the deep but that will take forever to craft and build | 06:50 |
Kilos | those mv generators eat coal | 06:51 |
ThatGraemeGuy | not really sure why you even built all that | 06:52 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you can travel home and back so quickly now with travelpoints its unnecessary | 06:52 |
ThatGraemeGuy | or else some geothermal generators | 06:53 |
Kilos | yes wasnt thinking of porting at the time but its handy for everyone to charge things and repair tools there | 06:53 |
Kilos | will look into geothermal tonight if i member | 06:54 |
Kilos | would be nice to be able to use lava for power | 06:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | geothermal generator does | 06:55 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but its LV only, & only makes 300EU | 06:55 |
Kilos | but just plug into a big source not put buckets full into generator | 06:55 |
Kilos | oi thats too min | 06:55 |
ThatGraemeGuy | geothermal generator works by putting lava next to one side and water next to the other side | 06:56 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but yeah, only 300EU | 06:56 |
Kilos | hmm... | 06:56 |
Kilos | not matter how much water and lava is used? | 06:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so if you want to upconvert to MV you need 34 geothermal setups | 06:57 |
Kilos | eish | 06:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | because a supply converter requires 10000EU on the input side | 06:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it does matter | 06:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if you have 1 block of water and 1 lava you only get 25% output | 06:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 75EU | 06:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the max is 300 and that's with 2 blocks of water and 2 lava | 06:58 |
Kilos | yeah then what if you use like 20 blocks of lava on one side | 06:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | then nothing, the code doesn't care | 06:58 |
Kilos | oi | 06:58 |
Kilos | i was thinking of a dam next to a large lava source | 06:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i built one but it didn't last long, takes too long to charge a mk3 laser on a LV battery | 06:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | in the laser mining area i have an hv generator and battery | 06:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | that battery charges the mk3 in a couple of minutes | 06:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i don't worry about a tool workshop because my tools don't wear significantly when i'm laser mining | 07:00 |
Kilos | ya i put 2 there in the deep | 07:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you must go see it, its massive already | 07:00 |
Kilos | i will go look again | 07:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i keep having to patch up when the lava comes through as well | 07:00 |
Kilos | whew | 07:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but its at the far side of my channel where i walk, so its not even dangerous | 07:01 |
Kilos | why not go up and kill the source? | 07:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | because its several layers deep and i already have a chest full of obsidian | 07:01 |
Kilos | hahaha | 07:03 |
Kilos | pity water only converts one layer at a time hey | 07:03 |
Kilos | major work | 07:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | exactly | 07:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the amount of work it takes me to just patch up the lava every time i laser it open is minimal | 07:04 |
Kilos | ya | 07:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the lava is right at the edge of the laser's range | 07:04 |
Kilos | ah | 07:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if it was in the middle it'd be different | 07:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | then i'd water it and just use the laser to remove the obsidian as i go along | 07:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the problem with that laser mining area is more that i'm getting closer to -300 | 07:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and after that there's no uranium, so i need to branch off and start another one eventually | 07:05 |
Kilos | whew | 07:06 |
Kilos | with the pads it makes life so much easier | 07:07 |
Kilos | i still keep falling off narrow roads | 07:07 |
Kilos | ah found a use for marble | 07:08 |
Kilos | we can build a white house for the reactors officials to live in | 07:08 |
Kilos | the govt | 07:09 |
Kilos | the pro and son are staying in mazals house, bart has no time to worry about a home as well | 07:10 |
charl | morning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy | 07:32 |
Kilos | hi charl | 07:32 |
charl | Maaz: coffee on | 07:32 |
* Maaz flips the salt-timer | 07:32 | |
Kilos | hi Spekko | 07:32 |
Maaz | Coffee's ready for charl! | 07:36 |
charl | Maaz: thanks | 07:37 |
Maaz | charl: Sure | 07:37 |
Kilos | hi Vince-0 | 07:37 |
Vince-0 | hi Kilos | 07:39 |
charl | hi Vince-0 | 07:39 |
mazal | Ai , it's one of those days | 07:40 |
charl | hi mazal | 07:47 |
mazal | Morning charl | 07:57 |
nuvolari | good grief :P can't turn my back for 2 hours! Coming back and I have to take leave to catch up on IRC | 08:07 |
nuvolari | hi oom Kilos, Vince-0, charl, mazal | 08:07 |
Kilos | lo nuvolari | 08:08 |
Kilos | lol | 08:08 |
mazal | Ho nuvolari | 08:08 |
mazal | hi even | 08:08 |
Kilos | #ubuntu-za-minetest | 08:09 |
charl | hi nuvolari | 08:09 |
mazal | One hash oom ? | 08:10 |
Kilos | lol nee man ek terg want ons praat baie van minetest hier | 08:11 |
mazal | o | 08:11 |
mazal | Is nogal , ons gaan raas kry | 08:11 |
Kilos | baie interesante speletjie | 08:11 |
Kilos | by wie | 08:12 |
mazal | Wie ookal die baas is hier :P | 08:12 |
Kilos | die hoe vonk | 08:12 |
Kilos | hy te besig om te kom lees | 08:12 |
Kilos | is mos hy ne? | 08:13 |
mazal | Ek het geen idee van wie oom praat nie | 08:14 |
Kilos | highvoltage | 08:14 |
mazal | But , having a ZA minetest support/discussion site/channel might actually be not a bad idea | 08:15 |
Kilos | can one rename irc channels | 08:16 |
mazal | I would like to know how many ZA'ers knows about and plays the game | 08:16 |
Kilos | we can use ##ubuntu-za-social | 08:16 |
mazal | Would be good if one could promote it more as well | 08:16 |
Kilos | maybe rename it if that can be done | 08:16 |
Kilos | most peeps dont have the time mazal | 08:17 |
mazal | I think minetest deserves some more credit and promotion. Such a great project and since I started it I hardly ever touch my expensive games anymore lol | 08:17 |
Kilos | lol | 08:18 |
mazal | I was thinking more amongst gamers oom. | 08:18 |
Kilos | ash | 08:18 |
mazal | People who already play games. Get them to know about and try out the game | 08:18 |
Kilos | ahtoo | 08:18 |
Kilos | i think what makes it great is playing with friends who helpmekaar | 08:19 |
mazal | And I can attest that it runs better on Ubuntu than on Win 7 ( cos I play on 3 different pc's ) so it will sommer be some publicity for Ubuntu as well | 08:19 |
Kilos | i wouldnt enjoy it much if peeps were stealing things and attacking you all the time | 08:20 |
mazal | Yeah indeed , rules is always needed in a game like this | 08:20 |
Kilos | like on the main site they always fighting | 08:21 |
mazal | On the forum ? | 08:21 |
Kilos | i lose enough by mistakenly trashing the wrong things | 08:21 |
mazal | lol | 08:21 |
Kilos | um | 08:21 |
Kilos | i forget the link | 08:22 |
mazal | I sometimes forget where I left something | 08:22 |
Kilos | the one the game can go to | 08:22 |
Kilos | haha i do that all the time | 08:22 |
Kilos | better to have a few gold chests than all the plain ones | 08:23 |
Kilos | only the crafting is hard work | 08:23 |
mazal | I have a chest room with nice names and stuff. But sometimes I have some random building materials as I was building and then put them seperate close by. Then 3 weeks later " I am sure I have some of this bricks somewhere " | 08:24 |
Kilos | maybe not on chests but on everything else | 08:24 |
Kilos | lol | 08:24 |
Kilos | old age | 08:24 |
mazal | I must learn to clean up my building site when the building is done and go put it at my home | 08:25 |
Kilos | do you carry a chest around to place at other jobs | 08:25 |
mazal | Nope | 08:26 |
mazal | Is to easy to craft one | 08:26 |
Kilos | make a gold one | 08:26 |
Kilos | then make a wrench | 08:26 |
mazal | I must concider that way | 08:26 |
mazal | I am mostly a builder and every now and then I go work on a new building | 08:26 |
Kilos | then fill the chest then when job done pick up the full chest and take it home | 08:26 |
mazal | Good idea oom , gonna do that | 08:27 |
mazal | Shees my Thunderbird looks really strange after update | 08:29 |
mazal | Especially the "write" screen | 08:29 |
Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, have you the info on how the reactor building must be please, ill try build one on creative to see | 08:50 |
Kilos | i cant find that link you gave | 08:50 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua, line 100 | 09:18 |
Kilos | ty sir | 09:18 |
Kilos | eeeek | 09:20 |
Kilos | pictures man not code | 09:21 |
Kilos | sjoe ek sukkel met my volk | 09:21 |
ThatGraemeGuy | :-o | 09:22 |
Kilos | lol thats all code i see | 09:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it isn't 1980 anymore, you should probably use more modern terms | 09:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | "workers" maybe for a start | 09:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and the picture is from line 103 to 113 | 09:23 |
Kilos | volk=nation | 09:23 |
Kilos | i have no idea what to do with that. must i use it in a terminal? | 09:25 |
Kilos | or paste that somewhere | 09:25 |
ThatGraemeGuy | for real? | 09:28 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you read it | 09:28 |
ThatGraemeGuy | like just normal words | 09:28 |
Kilos | i have no idea at all really | 09:28 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and it tells you what the structure of the thing should look like | 09:28 |
Kilos | i can read it yes but what do i do with what i read | 09:29 |
Kilos | ok lemme see again | 09:29 |
ThatGraemeGuy | am i on candid camera? | 09:29 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you build the structure | 09:29 |
Kilos | rofl | 09:29 |
Kilos | ill copy/paste that code somewhere , it aint easy to read | 09:33 |
Kilos | http://picpaste.com/whew-f56Ukc6v.png | 09:33 |
Private_User | lol | 09:37 |
Kilos | lemme go do some fencing for a while | 09:37 |
Private_User | good day people | 09:37 |
Private_User | hi Kilos | 09:37 |
Private_User | hi ThatGraemeGuy | 09:37 |
Kilos | hi Private_User | 09:37 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 09:38 |
Private_User | ThatGraemeGuy: nope, you on oh shucks its schuster | 09:38 |
Private_User | LOL | 09:38 |
Kilos | haha | 09:39 |
Kilos | hmm all the electricity under the sun and now spotlights | 09:53 |
Kilos | no | 09:53 |
ThatGraemeGuy | eh? | 09:53 |
Kilos | i mean superglow things and torches only | 09:55 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you really want to wire up every little light to an electrical supply when you're off mining? | 09:55 |
Kilos | should have chargable headlamps for miners and neon lights | 09:56 |
ThatGraemeGuy | technic has a rechargeable flashlight but it's said to be buggy and thus disabled by default | 09:56 |
Kilos | lol when im by lava i forget to put torches up then the water makes obsidian and im in the dark and top to high to put torches | 09:57 |
Kilos | ah | 09:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | oh yeah | 09:57 |
Kilos | lava is my biggest chore after crafting upgrades | 09:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i got into the habit of placing torches around lava before i water it | 09:58 |
Kilos | thats a good thing to remember | 09:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but nowadays i don't bother with watering lava, i just find my way around it | 09:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | obsidian is too much work and has no value at all | 09:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | there should at least be some use to it, to make the effort of mining it worthwhile | 09:59 |
Kilos | ya but its lekker to block off the source though because there is lots of ore below where it used to flow | 10:00 |
Kilos | obsidian glass is used in some things | 10:00 |
mazal | I've mostly just found creative stuff that need some of it , like example obsidian glass and glass doors | 10:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | lava lakes used to be nice because there's typically a lot of good ore visible around it, but with the mining laser even that's irrelevant, i can mine a huge amount of stuff with minimal effort | 10:00 |
Kilos | i must still try the drill. the lazer works well but it doesnt cut a clean straight path for me maybe my hand and eye not steady enough | 10:01 |
mazal | ThatGraemeGuy, do you know what the "upgrade" slots is for on some electric stuff like some machines and battery boxes and what must be put in there ? | 10:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: it actually fires in a perfectly straight line, your aim is the issue | 10:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | thats why i settled on the method i use now | 10:02 |
Kilos | yeah | 10:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | mazal: not sure about battery boxes.... maybe increases the charge it can hold? | 10:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | for machines, from what i understand its mean to make it less power hungry | 10:03 |
mazal | You think normal RE batteries goes in there ? | 10:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | haven't read the code to confirm | 10:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | correct | 10:03 |
mazal | Will play around with that | 10:03 |
Kilos | oh that will be good to know | 10:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | mazal: easiest way is use 1 machine, check what the switchng station reports the load as | 10:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | then add 1 battery, see how it changed the load | 10:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | then the second battery again | 10:05 |
mazal | I wonder of those batteries then can run out of life and in turn must be recharged | 10:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i think recharging is implied by the fact that it is on a power network | 10:06 |
mazal | So it should actually recharge by itself | 10:07 |
mazal | Defnitely gonna play around with that RE batteries is quick and easy craft and if it helps the network will be worth it | 10:08 |
nuvolari | great. I'm all alone today :'( | 10:14 |
nuvolari | During lunch | 10:14 |
* mazal is working alone for two weeks :( | 10:18 | |
Symmetria | any awesome php coders here? | 10:39 |
charl | Symmetria: there is no such thing as an awesome php coder | 10:43 |
charl | if they were an awesome coder they would have not been using php | 10:43 |
Symmetria | lol | 10:58 |
Symmetria | http://pastebin.com/hmY9nDV6 | 10:58 |
Symmetria | :( I need that optimized | 10:58 |
Symmetria | its slow as holy shit ;p | 10:58 |
Symmetria | and haha I'm not in the mood to rewrite it in C | 10:59 |
Symmetria | purely because I'm lazy as shit about things like malloc and strtok ;p | 10:59 |
charl | php is slow as shit, standard | 11:00 |
charl | python isn't much better afaik | 11:00 |
charl | you could try to run a profiler over it | 11:00 |
charl | then at least you know what's taking the most time | 11:00 |
charl | but when you need performance, java/c is the way to go | 11:00 |
bertus | hey guys does anyone know of software I can use to collage mutiple images onto a page ? SImilar to fotor for windows | 11:08 |
Kilos | hi bertus | 11:08 |
Spekko | more Kilos | 11:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | mazal: putting rechargeable batteries in your MV machines seems to be a no-brainer | 11:31 |
ThatGraemeGuy | power demand numbers for MV machines with 0/1/2 batteries in upgrade slots... | 11:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | alloy furnace 3000/2000/1000 | 11:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | furnace 2000/1000/500 | 11:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | grinder 600/450/300 | 11:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | compressor+extractor 800/600/400 | 11:32 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so 1 of each is 7200EU load if they are all in use | 11:33 |
ThatGraemeGuy | vs 2600EU with each having 2 batteries | 11:33 |
mazal | Wow that is a bigger difference than I expected it would be | 11:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yeah | 11:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and re batteries are basically wood, copper & tin | 11:44 |
Kilos | sjoe ThatGraemeGuy nust the reactor have 4 layers of concrete under it too and then 2 layers of blast resistant concrete under that as well | 11:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i.e. cheap and esay | 11:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: no, you just read it wrong | 11:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i have all we need besides a location | 11:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if you or superfly have suggestions i'm all ears | 11:46 |
Kilos | look in map and see whats available centrally to houses . | 11:48 |
Kilos | and or other ventures you have like the pyramid | 11:49 |
ThatGraemeGuy | well its you, me and superfly that will use it, nobody else really plays anymore | 11:49 |
Kilos | yes mazals house is inetpro and son | 11:50 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ah ok | 11:50 |
Kilos | they helped with chromium so would be good to add them if possible | 11:50 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yes sure | 11:51 |
Kilos | they did most of the mining there in the deep where the pad is | 11:51 |
Kilos | i was trying to make power stuff | 11:51 |
Kilos | some of these power things are weird, connect top bottom or sides varies some i think | 11:52 |
Kilos | once reactor up each oke can do his own cabling i think | 11:53 |
Kilos | 20 ks of hv cable | 11:53 |
Kilos | whew | 11:53 |
ThatGraemeGuy | mmm yes | 11:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | need to make more cable, didnt consider that | 11:54 |
Kilos | oh ThatGraemeGuy what did i read wrong? | 11:58 |
Kilos | oh with the stanles layers too | 12:05 |
Kilos | but surely same ubderneeth as surrounding the core | 12:05 |
Kilos | sjoe and water | 12:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | its a cube | 12:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | reactor in the centre, then water, stainless steel, blast-resistant concrete and then concrete | 12:08 |
Kilos | with water surrounding core except for cable? | 12:08 |
ThatGraemeGuy | the outer concrete layer seems to have been made optional recently, but i think you can get radiation damage without it | 12:08 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 12:09 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i'll show you later | 12:09 |
Kilos | ill try it with cable out the side of core | 12:09 |
Kilos | just takes me long putting so many blocks down and falling off hehe | 12:10 |
charl | http://mybroadband.co.za/news/smartphones/106988-apple-iphone-ipad-surprise-in-south-africa.html | 12:32 |
charl | BlackBerry remains the most used smartphone in South Africa, with 2.9 million devices. However, this number is declining rapidly. | 12:33 |
charl | seriously ?! blackberry ?! | 12:33 |
charl | i thought they closed down | 12:33 |
mazal | Bye everyone , have a nice evening | 12:35 |
Kilos | you too mazal | 12:36 |
Kilos | too many peeps think bb is an image fone so buy them regardless | 12:36 |
charl | very strange | 12:38 |
charl | if you buy a bb here you will probably end up getting laughed out | 12:38 |
charl | "nobody uses that anymore, what are you, ten years behind the time" | 12:39 |
Kilos | lol | 12:39 |
charl | what types of apps are there for bb, probably very few | 12:39 |
Kilos | ? | 12:40 |
Kilos | im not a fancy cell person | 12:40 |
charl | me neither, i don't even have a mobile | 12:40 |
Kilos | oh they are handy for contact from wherever | 12:42 |
charl | hmmm coreos looks promising | 12:51 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: as far as i understand having the cable come out of the side ought to work as well | 12:52 |
ThatGraemeGuy | try it out and see | 12:52 |
Kilos | yip so they say. it will save a bit of cable | 12:52 |
ThatGraemeGuy | heh | 12:52 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if you say so | 12:52 |
Kilos | i gotta rebuilt left out some layers of stuff | 12:53 |
ThatGraemeGuy | me i prefer to run it out of the bottom and have a cable tunnel | 12:53 |
ThatGraemeGuy | don't want cable lying all over above ground | 12:53 |
Kilos | ooo that sounds goo too | 12:53 |
Kilos | then there must be a tunnel to each house? | 12:54 |
Kilos | good | 12:54 |
Kilos | all at different levels | 12:54 |
Kilos | sjoe | 12:54 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i managed to tunnel to the pyramid from my basement, i'm sure a cable tunnel is hardly a challenge :) | 12:54 |
Kilos | rofl ya you did a good job there, im impressed | 12:55 |
Kilos | the mark3 drill removes only one block at a time like a pick | 12:56 |
Kilos | in creative mode, yours removes 4 blocks | 12:56 |
Kilos | or is that technique | 12:56 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i don't understand you just said 2 comflicting things | 12:57 |
Kilos | oi | 12:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | only removes 1 block and removes 4 at a time, which is it? | 12:57 |
Kilos | yours in the game when i watched you removed 4 and mine in creative removes 1 | 12:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it has different modes, you shift-click it | 12:58 |
Kilos | oh ty | 12:58 |
Kilos | i must go back to school and get my dads money back | 12:58 |
Kilos | they taught me nothing | 12:59 |
Kilos | lol i think it was like R2 a term | 12:59 |
Kilos | hahaha sis says 25c a month for 3 of us | 13:01 |
Trixar_za | Hey Kilos | 13:05 |
Trixar_za | 8ta is running a deal right now - if you buy 500MB for R69, they give you an extra 500MB the next day (so 1GB total) | 13:06 |
Trixar_za | Only they messed up and gave me 250MB too | 13:06 |
Trixar_za | :P | 13:06 |
Trixar_za | So go get it | 13:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: http://mt.donaldson.za.net/temp.png | 13:07 |
Trixar_za | It only lasts until before the 30th though | 13:07 |
Kilos | im hoping ian will get me airtime today R150 | 13:07 |
Trixar_za | ThatGraemeGuy: What's that? | 13:08 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: build it in the green area just slightly to the left of the centre of that pic? | 13:08 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Trixar_za: map of a section of our minetest world | 13:08 |
Trixar_za | Nice | 13:09 |
* ThatGraemeGuy pings superfly | 13:09 | |
ThatGraemeGuy | repeatedly | 13:09 |
Kilos | oh no man ThatGraemeGuy im doing it in creative single player | 13:12 |
Kilos | oh i didnt see the ? | 13:12 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no i'm not saying you must built it, i'm asking if you think that's a good place for it | 13:12 |
Kilos | the fly is afk | 13:12 |
Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, where is your pyramid | 13:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | far from us | 13:16 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it needs to be central to people's houses not random far locations | 13:16 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you can teleport home to charge stuff | 13:16 |
Kilos | ok there is a road that makes a kink left and right on the small road from me to you guys | 13:17 |
Kilos | 2 yellow articles show in the kink, is it about there you say? | 13:18 |
Kilos | ya porting is lekker | 13:18 |
Kilos | where my black road has rails the first branch to the right leads to the kink | 13:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | eh | 13:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | not following | 13:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | approximate co-ordinates? | 13:20 |
Kilos | 140 and -60 | 13:21 |
Kilos | -68 about | 13:23 |
ThatGraemeGuy | right by barry's place? | 13:23 |
Kilos | oh is that where that is? | 13:23 |
ThatGraemeGuy | never mind | 13:23 |
ThatGraemeGuy | will check tonight, busy again | 13:23 |
Kilos | ok | 13:24 |
charl | ah large parts of NL is flooding | 13:50 |
charl | and here where i am still sunshine | 13:50 |
charl | bbl | 13:51 |
charl | need to go home before it comes over here | 13:51 |
Kilos | ai! | 13:51 |
Kilos | ThatGraemeGuy, can one put the core in safely and then carry on building the rest of the cube? and then how do you put rods in? | 14:10 |
Kilos | and where do you put them in anyway | 14:11 |
Kilos | as in when does it go active? | 14:14 |
ThatGraemeGuy | right-click it, just like anything else that takes fuel | 14:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i think it only becomes active if its connected to a power network properly | 14:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and then if the housing is wrong it melts down | 14:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i am almost done in creative mode | 14:15 |
ThatGraemeGuy | want to test the area protection mod to see if a non-owner can still place fuel in it | 14:16 |
Kilos | ok | 14:18 |
Kilos | ive rebuilt twice because i either used wrong blocks or left some out | 14:19 |
Kilos | twit | 14:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | urgh | 14:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so with the area protected, only the owner of the protected area can add fuel | 14:20 |
ThatGraemeGuy | that sucks | 14:20 |
Kilos | ah it says it has no network | 14:20 |
Kilos | now to surround it with water | 14:20 |
Kilos | dunno how you gonna right click it when its all closed in | 14:21 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you leave a manhold like it said | 14:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | manhole even | 14:22 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ok so the fuel thing is a slight hassle | 14:41 |
ThatGraemeGuy | but we can put a chest next to it for people to leave fuel in and then every now and then i just put fuel in the core | 14:42 |
Kilos | ya will have to send koos to recharge | 14:42 |
ThatGraemeGuy | rather that than risk accidental damage causing meltdown | 14:42 |
Kilos | oh you mean with permissions | 14:42 |
ThatGraemeGuy | very expensive to build this thing | 14:42 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yea | 14:42 |
Kilos | thats fine just no long holidays for you | 14:42 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you can check it out on the creative server if you want | 14:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | thing is 6 fuel lasts a week | 14:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and you can put up to 99 in each of the 6 slots | 14:43 |
Kilos | not atm im waiting for data | 14:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so just keep adding as we have it | 14:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | eventually we should have months' worth | 14:43 |
Kilos | thats good | 14:43 |
ThatGraemeGuy | cool i'm going to make it meltdown | 14:43 |
Kilos | eish | 14:43 |
Kilos | what output did it give you? | 14:44 |
Kilos | before you blow it | 14:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 100,000EU | 14:44 |
Kilos | thats good hey | 14:44 |
ThatGraemeGuy | yes | 14:45 |
Kilos | whew | 14:45 |
Kilos | run a city with that about | 14:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i have 5 hv solar arrays which were already pretty expensive to make, and they only make 25,000 | 14:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and then only during less than half a minetest day | 14:45 |
Kilos | yeah | 14:45 |
ThatGraemeGuy | only start producing a little after sunrise, and stop a little before sunset | 14:45 |
Kilos | nuke is the way to go | 14:46 |
Kilos | once home connected ill take my solar stuff to the deep | 14:46 |
ThatGraemeGuy | um | 14:57 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you do realise solar means it needs sunlight | 14:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and there isn't much of that at -4500 | 14:58 |
Kilos | yip but it can help keep batteries full | 14:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | um | 14:58 |
Kilos | lotsa cable | 14:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | maybe i'm not clear | 14:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | solar panels do not work underground | 14:58 |
Kilos | solar up top | 14:58 |
ThatGraemeGuy | LOL | 14:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you want to lay 4500 cables? | 14:59 |
Kilos | 5 ks of cable | 14:59 |
Kilos | i think im at 4800 or close | 14:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ok just take some time to realiase how much resources you need for that | 14:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | copper paper rubber whatever goes into cables i can't recall now | 14:59 |
Kilos | too much | 14:59 |
ThatGraemeGuy | a little | 15:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | not to mention it would take you days to even place that much cable | 15:00 |
Kilos | yeah | 15:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and you have torches in the mineshaft what would stop you | 15:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so every time there's a torch you have to remove it | 15:00 |
Kilos | yeah that too | 15:00 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and place a glow glass in a hole in the wall | 15:00 |
Kilos | that could be imbedded superglows | 15:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so yeah, i'll see you in 2016 when you're done | 15:01 |
Kilos | hahaha | 15:01 |
Kilos | maybe ill just mine somewhere else | 15:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i played with the HV quarry in creative mode | 15:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | its super cool | 15:01 |
Kilos | but its not bad if coal keeps coming in | 15:01 |
ThatGraemeGuy | lol | 15:02 |
Kilos | what is the quarry | 15:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i really don't think you understand how deep -4800 is | 15:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | remember before teleporting and before fast mode | 15:02 |
Kilos | i do ive been digging there since i started playing | 15:02 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it would take 20 minutes just to go down to --3000 | 15:02 |
Kilos | yes? | 15:02 |
Kilos | ya | 15:03 |
Kilos | eina | 15:03 |
Kilos | i did it often as well | 15:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | now imagine you aren't just climbing straight down you have to sotop at every block to place a cable | 15:03 |
Kilos | didnt go fast and didnt have wrench for full chests or niks | 15:03 |
SilverCode | does anyone know of any tools that ping a host every X seconds and log the results to a file, and then if it sees a ping take more than Y seconds, it does a tracert to the host and logs that? | 15:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it will take you a month | 15:03 |
Kilos | thats why bart joined | 15:03 |
ThatGraemeGuy | well | 15:04 |
Kilos | sec sil | 15:04 |
Kilos | mtr | 15:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i am clearly not clear enough, so good luck with your cabling | 15:04 |
SilverCode | trying to figure out if my ISP to to blame for lag spikes, or my exchange | 15:04 |
ThatGraemeGuy | SilverCode: 10 minutes of bash scripting will get you that ;-) | 15:04 |
Kilos | mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8 | 15:05 |
Kilos | time ping -i2 -s0 -c10 8.8.8.8 | 15:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | Kilos: if you have a sec check the other server on port 30001 you can see how cool the quarry is | 15:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you put it down and it has a face with a pick. turn it with the screwdriver if you want and then it digs in that direction | 15:06 |
Kilos | as soon as ian comes online with data ill be there or after 11pm | 15:06 |
Kilos | last 2 days were 400+ a day | 15:06 |
Kilos | oh my | 15:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | you set a radius, default 4, then it digs a square in the direction of the pick (radius x 2) +1 blocks | 15:06 |
SilverCode | ThatGraemeGuy: 10 minutes of bash scripting will send me a path of 3 days of programming | 15:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | so radius 4 it digs a 9x9 square | 15:07 |
SilverCode | first 10 minutes trying to do it in bash | 15:07 |
SilverCode | next 24 hours trying to do it in C++ | 15:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | and it digs to a depth of 100 below the level of the quarry | 15:07 |
Kilos | wow | 15:07 |
SilverCode | last 48 hours doing it in PHP | 15:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | SilverCode: eh ok | 15:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | most of us don't overengineer to that degree | 15:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i'd never get any work done | 15:07 |
SilverCode | As a programmer, it is my responsibility to overengineer things | 15:08 |
Kilos | oh you actually want to make the tool from scratch | 15:09 |
SilverCode | if we stopped overengineering things, we would be be releasing software every 2nd day and people would stop paying us lots of money | 15:09 |
Kilos | sjoe | 15:09 |
SilverCode | Kilos: no, I don't, but as a programmer, no other tool is ever good enough, and "I'm sure I can do it better" | 15:09 |
ThatGraemeGuy | remind me never to hire you then :-) | 15:09 |
Kilos | sjoe | 15:10 |
Kilos | commands so much easier | 15:10 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it isn't programmers that think like that, its perfectionists :-) | 15:10 |
SilverCode | true | 15:11 |
SilverCode | but being a perfectionist is what gets most people into programming | 15:11 |
Kilos | im gonna connect a switch to reaktor and see what happens | 15:11 |
SilverCode | "This sucks, I'm sure it can be done better" ... and a new programmer is born | 15:11 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i guess we'll have to agree to disagree | 15:12 |
Kilos | eish, in the top it says no network | 15:12 |
ThatGraemeGuy | ciao ciao all | 15:12 |
Kilos | go safe ThatGraemeGuy | 15:12 |
Squirm | hello | 15:15 |
Kilos | hi Squirm | 15:15 |
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superfly | Ohi | 16:39 |
Kilos | hi there superfly graeme wants to know where you think the best location for the reactor is | 16:40 |
superfly | We chatted a little earlier | 16:41 |
Kilos | ah | 16:42 |
superfly | ThatGraemeGuy: as a developer, I agree with you. | 16:44 |
Gremble | o/ | 16:49 |
Kilos | hi Gremble | 16:50 |
bertus | hey guys | 17:28 |
bertus | what are some great ubuntu/linux mint help websites? | 17:28 |
bertus | I already use the following: http://www.webupd8.org/ http://www.noobslab.com/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/ | 17:29 |
bertus | hey guys | 17:33 |
Kilos | ty bertus | 17:34 |
bertus | hey kilos how are you bro? | 17:36 |
bertus | still rocking the ubuntu? | 17:36 |
Kilos | lol too old to be a bro | 17:36 |
inetpro | good evening | 17:36 |
bertus | cool | 17:36 |
Kilos | always rocking on ubuntu | 17:36 |
Kilos | hi inetpro | 17:36 |
bertus | version? what flavour? | 17:36 |
Kilos | 14.04 unity and kde | 17:37 |
Kilos | bertus, have you tried kubuntu | 17:39 |
Kilos | the clever guys use kde | 17:39 |
Kilos | i use it because i was forced | 17:39 |
bertus | yes I don't like kde | 17:40 |
bertus | have not tried plasma 5 | 17:40 |
bertus | Has anyone? Is it good? | 17:40 |
bertus | I tried arch, last week! wow that's a bit crazy | 17:40 |
bertus | now running linux mint cinnamon edition x64 | 17:41 |
Kilos | thats for linux geeks | 17:41 |
bertus | yep the arch user repository is insane good/bad | 17:42 |
bertus | http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue87_en.pdf | 17:48 |
bertus | check this latest one out guys | 17:48 |
bertus | are you using kde kilos? | 18:10 |
Kilos | atm unity, but i run kde on another drive in this pc and choose at boot which one for the day | 18:11 |
Kilos | kde takes getting used to but once you settle in it very lekker | 18:11 |
bertus | okay I see, what is the best in your opinion? | 18:12 |
bertus | i have tried kde but need to learn more about it | 18:12 |
Kilos | kde takes getting used to because everything is different but once you know it it rocks | 18:54 |
Gremble | I want to use bspwm. But you need a 3 year diploma to get that set up | 19:25 |
ThatGraemeGuy | 'lo | 19:41 |
Kilos | uh oh ThatGraemeGuy server siek? | 20:05 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no | 20:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | had a hiccup it seems, i just reconnected | 20:06 |
Kilos | aha | 20:06 |
Kilos | ty | 20:06 |
Kilos | where are you? | 20:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | at home | 20:06 |
ThatGraemeGuy | :P | 20:06 |
Kilos | working on power? | 20:06 |
Kilos | lol | 20:07 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no, i got caught up in creative and discussing nuclear reactor design in #minetest-technic | 20:08 |
Kilos | aha i built mine put cores and cables but it dont boot | 20:11 |
ThatGraemeGuy | i'm laser mining | 20:11 |
ThatGraemeGuy | no network? | 20:11 |
Kilos | no supply | 20:11 |
Kilos | supply 0 | 20:11 |
ThatGraemeGuy | what does the reactor core say when you mouse over it? | 20:11 |
Kilos | but i been online then it stopped working so i restartyed now | 20:12 |
Kilos | it says core i think | 20:12 |
Kilos | right click lets me see cores rods | 20:12 |
ThatGraemeGuy | well | 20:13 |
ThatGraemeGuy | it does work, so you must have wired something wrong | 20:13 |
Kilos | ive tried cable out top and side of reactor into all sides of switch | 20:14 |
Kilos | its same as a generator without coal | 20:15 |
Kilos | something wrong ThatGraemeGuy peeks look like green spooks now | 20:18 |
ThatGraemeGuy | night night all | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | eh? | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | take a screenshot | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | does the game play ok? if so then ignore | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | if not, exit, reconnect | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | same old same old | 20:19 |
Kilos | it seems to sec for screenshot | 20:19 |
ThatGraemeGuy | night night! | 20:19 |
Kilos | ok night' | 20:20 |
Kilos | sjoe night guys. sleep tight | 22:48 |
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