[05:30] oh hi [05:30] fp [05:46] good mornings [05:50] morning [06:04] Morning everyone [06:18] hi ThatGraemeGuy mazal and others [06:18] 'lo [06:18] did you see that lava in the code? [06:18] its massive [06:19] * Symmetria murders his cats [06:19] I couldnt find my car keys ANYWHERE [06:19] in the code? [06:19] eventually I walk outside, and there is the cat with the keys swatting them around like they are some new toy [06:19] ya man the stuff you read [06:20] massive how? i don't follow [06:20] goes on and on [06:20] source all over [06:20] still not following [06:20] are you talking about lava that you found somewhere? [06:21] the lava area is massive and from many source areas [06:21] you found it with the mining drill [06:21] uh [06:21] ok, not really sure where the code comes into it, but ok [06:22] i was wondering if you could read the code and see where there is lava [06:22] oh [06:22] no [06:23] Morning Kilos , ThatGraemeGuy , Symmetria [06:23] hi Symmetria [06:23] the code describes how things work, how a pick wears, how much health an apple gives you, how common iron is, etc. [06:23] Symmetria, it could be worse , it could have been in the fridge :) [06:23] say morning before cat stories [06:23] the actual world contents are in the database and that isn't easily readable [06:23] lol morning :P sorry Im just frustrated [06:23] boss is gonna love my reason for being late for our meeting [06:23] cat stole my keys [06:23] oh ok ty ThatGraemeGuy [06:23] :P [06:24] hehehe [06:24] hahaha [06:24] Reminds me of the " the dog ate my homework " thing :) [06:25] ThatGraemeGuy, I build me one of those mining lasers this weekend. Love it [06:25] ;p always knew pussy be crazy [06:25] * Symmetria runs [06:25] Just takes lots of crafting and resources to get it up to mk3 [06:25] you modern way is to say i was busy [06:25] when asked with what you say stuff [06:27] Oom Kilos , have you check out yet what a watercan does to lava. Wow I love that thing [06:27] Takes tones of water and just one drop is like a small dam hehehe [06:28] yip busy fighting like that now, used 10 diamond picks up on obsidian already [06:28] Don't you have a laser yet ? [06:28] oh water can no i just use one bucket [06:28] Make a watercan [06:28] Is worth it [06:29] yes but thats dangerous near lava it can spread it [06:29] Yesterday I almost destroyd a whole lake of lava with just one drop from watercan [06:29] Kilos: a water can is like a bucket except it holds 16 water not just 1 [06:29] sjoe [06:29] And 1 drop is much more water , that's the thing [06:29] no it isn't [06:29] A water drop from can goes much wider than bucket [06:30] its a water source block just like any other [06:30] Not for me [06:30] ai [06:30] another one that wants to argue with the code [06:30] ok then [06:30] i try control the water so is doesnt convert all the running lava as well [06:30] Usually from a bucket it kills 4x4 lava [06:30] From the can is much wider [06:30] go to a big flat area, put down water from a bucket, count how far it goes [06:31] hahaha [06:31] It was flat area [06:31] repeat with water from a can [06:31] if its different i'll give you R500 [06:31] Was a big flat lake [06:31] I was making ready for second drop and saw the water just keeps going and changed much wider lava to obsidian [06:32] ok [06:32] ThatGraemeGuy, have you played minecraft? [06:33] Kilos: i could never bring myself to spend R300 on something that seemed kinda pointless [06:33] i was wondering if it also has the new mods we are using [06:33] ai! [06:33] that much [06:33] and now i can't bring myself to spend R300 on it because minetest is good enough for now [06:34] minetest is great was wondering if it isnt more advanced than minecraft [06:34] doubt it, minecraft has huge money behind it, minetest is just a bunch of people that are doing it for fun [06:35] spend some time browsing the minecraft wiki and you'll see even without mods its WAY more complex [06:35] Right at the beginning I was concidering minecraft , but after all the mods was loaded I am also in the " why spend money when minetest is good enough " boat [06:35] being opensource hasnt it got more peeps helping with dev work [06:35] don't know [06:36] but its a bunch of people who do it as a fun thing [06:37] minecraft has a team of devs whose job it is to code minecraft all day long [06:37] yeah , and we score [06:37] oh ok [06:37] http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_Wiki, take a look you'll see [06:38] too much to read [06:38] sjoe [06:40] Kilos: we have enough stainless steel blocks for the reactor now. i need to start making concrete and blast-resistant concrete sometime and then we can build it [06:41] need to find a good location and then also i want to look into one of the area ownership mods to prevent accidental damage to the reactor building [06:41] cool ill start making some tonight, i spose they are in the recipes [06:41] last thing we need is someone accidentally firing a mining laser blast at the reactor building :-o [06:42] yeah we dont want a kernobil thing [06:42] that russian one that blew [06:43] there are a few mods that allow you to define ownership of an area so nobody can dig blocks unless they are the owner [06:43] im scared of using that mk3 lazer unless im past everything and everyone [06:43] thats good [06:43] i was thinking i can sign in to the game as the superadmin player, then make it, then even i can't accidentally damage it when i log in with my normal player [06:43] found marble now deep down [06:44] thats a good idea [06:44] i have a lot of marble but as yet haven't found any good use for it [06:44] except maybe a big marble building [06:45] did you take the uranium too? [06:45] i did [06:45] cool [06:45] we have 21 fuel rods already [06:45] that's 3.5 weeks' worth [06:45] we should have enough to keep going a while [06:46] whew how many uranium ingots in a rod? [06:46] 120 uranium lumps goes into 6 fuel rods [06:46] whew [06:46] 5 lumps makes 1 enriched uranium ingot, and 4 of those ingots go into 1 fuel rod [06:47] and 6 rods are needed for the reactor to be powered [06:47] wow hungry monster hey [06:47] now well need lots of hv cable and converters [06:48] it is, but it generates a ton of power [06:48] is the toolbox only mv [06:48] and unlike solar its avaialble constantly [06:48] oh you must go see the power from my lv setup [06:48] yes only mv [06:48] power up lots with extra arrays [06:49] building batteries and all that stuff is very time consuming [06:50] i was thinking of getting solar power in the deep but that will take forever to craft and build [06:51] those mv generators eat coal [06:52] not really sure why you even built all that [06:52] you can travel home and back so quickly now with travelpoints its unnecessary [06:53] or else some geothermal generators [06:53] yes wasnt thinking of porting at the time but its handy for everyone to charge things and repair tools there [06:54] will look into geothermal tonight if i member [06:54] would be nice to be able to use lava for power [06:55] geothermal generator does [06:55] but its LV only, & only makes 300EU [06:55] but just plug into a big source not put buckets full into generator [06:55] oi thats too min [06:56] geothermal generator works by putting lava next to one side and water next to the other side [06:56] but yeah, only 300EU [06:56] hmm... [06:57] not matter how much water and lava is used? [06:57] so if you want to upconvert to MV you need 34 geothermal setups [06:57] eish [06:57] because a supply converter requires 10000EU on the input side [06:57] it does matter [06:57] if you have 1 block of water and 1 lava you only get 25% output [06:58] 75EU [06:58] the max is 300 and that's with 2 blocks of water and 2 lava [06:58] yeah then what if you use like 20 blocks of lava on one side [06:58] then nothing, the code doesn't care [06:58] oi [06:59] i was thinking of a dam next to a large lava source [06:59] i built one but it didn't last long, takes too long to charge a mk3 laser on a LV battery [06:59] in the laser mining area i have an hv generator and battery [06:59] that battery charges the mk3 in a couple of minutes [07:00] i don't worry about a tool workshop because my tools don't wear significantly when i'm laser mining [07:00] ya i put 2 there in the deep [07:00] you must go see it, its massive already [07:00] i will go look again [07:00] i keep having to patch up when the lava comes through as well [07:00] whew [07:01] but its at the far side of my channel where i walk, so its not even dangerous [07:01] why not go up and kill the source? [07:01] because its several layers deep and i already have a chest full of obsidian [07:03] hahaha [07:03] pity water only converts one layer at a time hey [07:03] major work [07:03] exactly [07:04] the amount of work it takes me to just patch up the lava every time i laser it open is minimal [07:04] ya [07:04] the lava is right at the edge of the laser's range [07:04] ah [07:04] if it was in the middle it'd be different [07:05] then i'd water it and just use the laser to remove the obsidian as i go along [07:05] the problem with that laser mining area is more that i'm getting closer to -300 [07:05] and after that there's no uranium, so i need to branch off and start another one eventually [07:06] whew [07:07] with the pads it makes life so much easier [07:07] i still keep falling off narrow roads [07:08] ah found a use for marble [07:08] we can build a white house for the reactors officials to live in [07:09] the govt [07:10] the pro and son are staying in mazals house, bart has no time to worry about a home as well [07:32] morning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy [07:32] hi charl [07:32] Maaz: coffee on [07:32] * Maaz flips the salt-timer [07:32] hi Spekko [07:36] Coffee's ready for charl! [07:37] Maaz: thanks [07:37] charl: Sure [07:37] hi Vince-0 [07:39] hi Kilos [07:39] hi Vince-0 [07:40] Ai , it's one of those days [07:47] hi mazal [07:57] Morning charl [08:07] good grief :P can't turn my back for 2 hours! Coming back and I have to take leave to catch up on IRC [08:07] hi oom Kilos, Vince-0, charl, mazal [08:08] lo nuvolari [08:08] lol [08:08] Ho nuvolari [08:08] hi even [08:09] #ubuntu-za-minetest [08:09] hi nuvolari [08:10] One hash oom ? [08:11] lol nee man ek terg want ons praat baie van minetest hier [08:11] o [08:11] Is nogal , ons gaan raas kry [08:11] baie interesante speletjie [08:12] by wie [08:12] Wie ookal die baas is hier :P [08:12] die hoe vonk [08:12] hy te besig om te kom lees [08:13] is mos hy ne? [08:14] Ek het geen idee van wie oom praat nie [08:14] highvoltage [08:15] But , having a ZA minetest support/discussion site/channel might actually be not a bad idea [08:16] can one rename irc channels [08:16] I would like to know how many ZA'ers knows about and plays the game [08:16] we can use ##ubuntu-za-social [08:16] Would be good if one could promote it more as well [08:16] maybe rename it if that can be done [08:17] most peeps dont have the time mazal [08:17] I think minetest deserves some more credit and promotion. Such a great project and since I started it I hardly ever touch my expensive games anymore lol [08:18] lol [08:18] I was thinking more amongst gamers oom. [08:18] ash [08:18] People who already play games. Get them to know about and try out the game [08:18] ahtoo [08:19] i think what makes it great is playing with friends who helpmekaar [08:19] And I can attest that it runs better on Ubuntu than on Win 7 ( cos I play on 3 different pc's ) so it will sommer be some publicity for Ubuntu as well [08:20] i wouldnt enjoy it much if peeps were stealing things and attacking you all the time [08:20] Yeah indeed , rules is always needed in a game like this [08:21] like on the main site they always fighting [08:21] On the forum ? [08:21] i lose enough by mistakenly trashing the wrong things [08:21] lol [08:21] um [08:22] i forget the link [08:22] I sometimes forget where I left something [08:22] the one the game can go to [08:22] haha i do that all the time [08:23] better to have a few gold chests than all the plain ones [08:23] only the crafting is hard work [08:24] I have a chest room with nice names and stuff. But sometimes I have some random building materials as I was building and then put them seperate close by. Then 3 weeks later " I am sure I have some of this bricks somewhere " [08:24] maybe not on chests but on everything else [08:24] lol [08:24] old age [08:25] I must learn to clean up my building site when the building is done and go put it at my home [08:25] do you carry a chest around to place at other jobs [08:26] Nope [08:26] Is to easy to craft one [08:26] make a gold one [08:26] then make a wrench [08:26] I must concider that way [08:26] I am mostly a builder and every now and then I go work on a new building [08:26] then fill the chest then when job done pick up the full chest and take it home [08:27] Good idea oom , gonna do that [08:29] Shees my Thunderbird looks really strange after update [08:29] Especially the "write" screen [08:50] ThatGraemeGuy, have you the info on how the reactor building must be please, ill try build one on creative to see [08:50] i cant find that link you gave [09:18] Kilos: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua, line 100 [09:18] ty sir [09:20] eeeek [09:21] pictures man not code [09:21] sjoe ek sukkel met my volk [09:22] :-o [09:22] lol thats all code i see [09:22] it isn't 1980 anymore, you should probably use more modern terms [09:22] "workers" maybe for a start [09:23] and the picture is from line 103 to 113 [09:23] volk=nation [09:25] i have no idea what to do with that. must i use it in a terminal? [09:25] or paste that somewhere [09:28] for real? [09:28] you read it [09:28] like just normal words [09:28] i have no idea at all really [09:28] and it tells you what the structure of the thing should look like [09:29] i can read it yes but what do i do with what i read [09:29] ok lemme see again [09:29] am i on candid camera? [09:29] you build the structure [09:29] rofl [09:33] ill copy/paste that code somewhere , it aint easy to read [09:33] http://picpaste.com/whew-f56Ukc6v.png [09:37] lol [09:37] lemme go do some fencing for a while [09:37] good day people [09:37] hi Kilos [09:37] hi ThatGraemeGuy [09:37] hi Private_User [09:38] 'lo [09:38] ThatGraemeGuy: nope, you on oh shucks its schuster [09:38] LOL [09:39] haha [09:53] hmm all the electricity under the sun and now spotlights [09:53] no [09:53] eh? [09:55] i mean superglow things and torches only [09:55] you really want to wire up every little light to an electrical supply when you're off mining? [09:56] should have chargable headlamps for miners and neon lights [09:56] technic has a rechargeable flashlight but it's said to be buggy and thus disabled by default [09:57] lol when im by lava i forget to put torches up then the water makes obsidian and im in the dark and top to high to put torches [09:57] ah [09:57] oh yeah [09:57] lava is my biggest chore after crafting upgrades [09:58] i got into the habit of placing torches around lava before i water it [09:58] thats a good thing to remember [09:58] but nowadays i don't bother with watering lava, i just find my way around it [09:58] obsidian is too much work and has no value at all [09:59] there should at least be some use to it, to make the effort of mining it worthwhile [10:00] ya but its lekker to block off the source though because there is lots of ore below where it used to flow [10:00] obsidian glass is used in some things [10:00] I've mostly just found creative stuff that need some of it , like example obsidian glass and glass doors [10:00] lava lakes used to be nice because there's typically a lot of good ore visible around it, but with the mining laser even that's irrelevant, i can mine a huge amount of stuff with minimal effort [10:01] i must still try the drill. the lazer works well but it doesnt cut a clean straight path for me maybe my hand and eye not steady enough [10:01] ThatGraemeGuy, do you know what the "upgrade" slots is for on some electric stuff like some machines and battery boxes and what must be put in there ? [10:02] Kilos: it actually fires in a perfectly straight line, your aim is the issue [10:02] thats why i settled on the method i use now [10:02] yeah [10:02] mazal: not sure about battery boxes.... maybe increases the charge it can hold? [10:03] for machines, from what i understand its mean to make it less power hungry [10:03] You think normal RE batteries goes in there ? [10:03] haven't read the code to confirm [10:03] correct [10:03] Will play around with that [10:04] oh that will be good to know [10:05] mazal: easiest way is use 1 machine, check what the switchng station reports the load as [10:05] then add 1 battery, see how it changed the load [10:05] then the second battery again [10:06] I wonder of those batteries then can run out of life and in turn must be recharged [10:06] i think recharging is implied by the fact that it is on a power network [10:07] So it should actually recharge by itself [10:08] Defnitely gonna play around with that RE batteries is quick and easy craft and if it helps the network will be worth it [10:14] great. I'm all alone today :'( [10:14] During lunch [10:18] * mazal is working alone for two weeks :( [10:39] any awesome php coders here? [10:43] Symmetria: there is no such thing as an awesome php coder [10:43] if they were an awesome coder they would have not been using php [10:58] lol [10:58] http://pastebin.com/hmY9nDV6 [10:58] :( I need that optimized [10:58] its slow as holy shit ;p [10:59] and haha I'm not in the mood to rewrite it in C [10:59] purely because I'm lazy as shit about things like malloc and strtok ;p [11:00] php is slow as shit, standard [11:00] python isn't much better afaik [11:00] you could try to run a profiler over it [11:00] then at least you know what's taking the most time [11:00] but when you need performance, java/c is the way to go [11:08] hey guys does anyone know of software I can use to collage mutiple images onto a page ? SImilar to fotor for windows [11:08] hi bertus [11:15] more Kilos [11:31] mazal: putting rechargeable batteries in your MV machines seems to be a no-brainer [11:32] power demand numbers for MV machines with 0/1/2 batteries in upgrade slots... [11:32] alloy furnace 3000/2000/1000 [11:32] furnace 2000/1000/500 [11:32] grinder 600/450/300 [11:32] compressor+extractor 800/600/400 [11:33] so 1 of each is 7200EU load if they are all in use [11:33] vs 2600EU with each having 2 batteries [11:43] Wow that is a bigger difference than I expected it would be [11:44] yeah [11:44] and re batteries are basically wood, copper & tin [11:44] sjoe ThatGraemeGuy nust the reactor have 4 layers of concrete under it too and then 2 layers of blast resistant concrete under that as well [11:44] i.e. cheap and esay [11:46] Kilos: no, you just read it wrong [11:46] i have all we need besides a location [11:46] if you or superfly have suggestions i'm all ears [11:48] look in map and see whats available centrally to houses . [11:49] and or other ventures you have like the pyramid [11:49] well its you, me and superfly that will use it, nobody else really plays anymore [11:50] yes mazals house is inetpro and son [11:50] ah ok [11:50] they helped with chromium so would be good to add them if possible [11:51] yes sure [11:51] they did most of the mining there in the deep where the pad is [11:51] i was trying to make power stuff [11:52] some of these power things are weird, connect top bottom or sides varies some i think [11:53] once reactor up each oke can do his own cabling i think [11:53] 20 ks of hv cable [11:53] whew [11:54] mmm yes [11:54] need to make more cable, didnt consider that [11:58] oh ThatGraemeGuy what did i read wrong? [12:05] oh with the stanles layers too [12:05] but surely same ubderneeth as surrounding the core [12:07] sjoe and water [12:07] its a cube [12:08] reactor in the centre, then water, stainless steel, blast-resistant concrete and then concrete [12:08] with water surrounding core except for cable? [12:08] the outer concrete layer seems to have been made optional recently, but i think you can get radiation damage without it [12:09] yes [12:09] i'll show you later [12:09] ill try it with cable out the side of core [12:10] just takes me long putting so many blocks down and falling off hehe [12:32]