[05:30] <nuvolari> oh hi
[05:30] <nuvolari> fp
[05:46] <inetpro> good mornings
[05:50] <Squirm> morning
[06:04] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy mazal and others
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[06:18] <Kilos> did you see that lava in the code?
[06:18] <Kilos> its massive
[06:19]  * Symmetria murders his cats
[06:19] <Symmetria> I couldnt find my car keys ANYWHERE
[06:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the code?
[06:19] <Symmetria> eventually I walk outside, and there is the cat with the keys swatting them around like they are some new toy
[06:19] <Kilos> ya man the stuff you read
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> massive how? i don't follow
[06:20] <Kilos> goes on and on
[06:20] <Kilos> source all over
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> still not following
[06:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> are you talking about lava that you found somewhere?
[06:21] <Kilos> the lava area is massive and from many source areas
[06:21] <Kilos> you found it with the mining drill
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> uh
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok, not really sure where the code comes into it, but ok
[06:22] <Kilos> i was wondering if you could read the code and see where there is lava
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[06:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[06:23] <mazal> Morning Kilos , ThatGraemeGuy , Symmetria 
[06:23] <Kilos> hi Symmetria 
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> the code describes how things work, how a pick wears, how much health an apple gives you, how common iron is, etc.
[06:23] <mazal> Symmetria, it could be worse , it could have been in the fridge :)
[06:23] <Kilos> say morning before cat stories
[06:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> the actual world contents are in the database and that isn't easily readable
[06:23] <Symmetria> lol morning :P sorry Im just frustrated
[06:23] <Symmetria> boss is gonna love my reason for being late for our meeting
[06:23] <Symmetria> cat stole my keys
[06:23] <Kilos> oh ok ty ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:23] <Symmetria> :P
[06:24] <mazal> hehehe
[06:24] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:24] <mazal> Reminds me of the " the dog ate my homework " thing :)
[06:25] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, I build me one of those mining lasers this weekend. Love it
[06:25] <Symmetria> ;p always knew pussy be crazy
[06:25]  * Symmetria runs
[06:25] <mazal> Just takes lots of crafting and resources to get it up to mk3
[06:25] <Kilos> you modern way is to say i was busy
[06:25] <Kilos> when asked with what you say stuff
[06:27] <mazal> Oom Kilos , have you check out yet what a watercan does to lava. Wow I love that thing
[06:27] <mazal> Takes tones of water and just one drop is like a small dam hehehe
[06:28] <Kilos> yip busy fighting like that now, used 10 diamond picks up on obsidian already
[06:28] <mazal> Don't you have a laser yet ?
[06:28] <Kilos> oh water can no i just use one bucket
[06:28] <mazal> Make a watercan
[06:28] <mazal> Is worth it
[06:29] <Kilos> yes but thats dangerous near lava it can spread it 
[06:29] <mazal> Yesterday I almost destroyd a whole lake of lava with just one drop from watercan
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: a water can is like a bucket except it holds 16 water not just 1
[06:29] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:29] <mazal> And 1 drop is much more water , that's the thing
[06:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> no it isn't
[06:29] <mazal> A water drop from can goes much wider than bucket
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a water source block just like any other
[06:30] <mazal> Not for me
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ai
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> another one that wants to argue with the code
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then
[06:30] <Kilos> i try control the water so is doesnt convert all the running lava as well
[06:30] <mazal> Usually from a bucket it kills 4x4 lava
[06:30] <mazal> From the can is much wider
[06:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> go to a big flat area, put down water from a bucket, count how far it goes
[06:31] <Kilos> hahaha
[06:31] <mazal> It was flat area
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> repeat with water from a can
[06:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> if its different i'll give you R500
[06:31] <mazal> Was a big flat lake
[06:31] <mazal> I was making ready for second drop and saw the water just keeps going and changed much wider lava to obsidian
[06:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[06:32] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you played minecraft?
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: i could never bring myself to spend R300 on something that seemed kinda pointless
[06:33] <Kilos> i was wondering if it also has the new mods we are using
[06:33] <Kilos> ai!
[06:33] <Kilos> that much
[06:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> and now i can't bring myself to spend R300 on it because minetest is good enough for now
[06:34] <Kilos> minetest is great was wondering if it isnt more advanced than minecraft
[06:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> doubt it, minecraft has huge money behind it, minetest is just a bunch of people that are doing it for fun
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> spend some time browsing the minecraft wiki and you'll see even without mods its WAY more complex
[06:35] <mazal> Right at the beginning I was concidering minecraft , but after all the mods was loaded I am also in the " why spend money when minetest is good enough " boat
[06:35] <Kilos> being opensource hasnt it got more peeps helping with dev work
[06:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't know
[06:36] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its a bunch of people who do it as a fun thing
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> minecraft has a team of devs whose job it is to code minecraft all day long
[06:37] <Kilos> yeah , and we score
[06:37] <Kilos> oh ok
[06:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> http://minecraft.gamepedia.com/Minecraft_Wiki, take a look you'll see
[06:38] <Kilos> too much to read
[06:38] <Kilos> sjoe
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: we have enough stainless steel blocks for the reactor now. i need to start making concrete and blast-resistant concrete sometime and then we can build it
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to find a good location and then also i want to look into one of the area ownership mods to prevent accidental damage to the reactor building
[06:41] <Kilos> cool ill start making some tonight, i spose they are in the recipes
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> last thing we need is someone accidentally firing a mining laser blast at the reactor building :-o
[06:42] <Kilos> yeah we dont want a kernobil thing
[06:42] <Kilos> that russian one that blew
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> there are a few mods that allow you to define ownership of an area so nobody can dig blocks unless they are the owner
[06:43] <Kilos> im scared of using that mk3 lazer unless im past everything and everyone
[06:43] <Kilos> thats good
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i was thinking i can sign in to the game as the superadmin player, then make it, then even i can't accidentally damage it when i log in with my normal player
[06:43] <Kilos> found marble now deep down
[06:44] <Kilos> thats a good idea
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a lot of marble but as yet haven't found any good use for it
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> except maybe a big marble building
[06:45] <Kilos> did you take the uranium too?
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i did
[06:45] <Kilos> cool
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have 21 fuel rods already
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> that's 3.5 weeks' worth
[06:45] <Kilos> we should have enough to keep going a while
[06:46] <Kilos> whew how many uranium  ingots in a rod?
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 120 uranium lumps goes into 6 fuel rods
[06:46] <Kilos> whew
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> 5 lumps makes 1 enriched uranium ingot, and 4 of those ingots go into 1 fuel rod
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> and 6 rods are needed for the reactor to be powered
[06:47] <Kilos> wow hungry monster hey
[06:47] <Kilos> now well need lots of hv cable and converters
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> it is, but it generates a ton of power
[06:48] <Kilos> is the toolbox only mv
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> and unlike solar its avaialble constantly
[06:48] <Kilos> oh you must go see the power from my lv setup
[06:48] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes only mv
[06:48] <Kilos> power up lots with extra arrays
[06:49] <Kilos> building batteries and all that stuff is very time consuming
[06:50] <Kilos> i was thinking of getting solar power in the deep but that will take forever to craft and build
[06:51] <Kilos> those mv generators eat coal
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> not really sure why you even built all that
[06:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can travel home and back so quickly now with travelpoints its unnecessary
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> or else some geothermal generators
[06:53] <Kilos> yes wasnt thinking of porting at the time but its handy for everyone to charge things and repair tools there
[06:54] <Kilos> will look into geothermal tonight if i member
[06:54] <Kilos> would be nice to be able to use lava for power
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> geothermal generator does
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its LV only, & only makes 300EU
[06:55] <Kilos> but just plug into a big source not put buckets full into generator
[06:55] <Kilos> oi thats too min
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> geothermal generator works by putting lava next to one side and water next to the other side
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, only 300EU
[06:56] <Kilos> hmm...
[06:57] <Kilos> not matter how much water and lava is used?
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if you want to upconvert to MV you need 34 geothermal setups
[06:57] <Kilos> eish
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> because a supply converter requires 10000EU on the input side
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does matter
[06:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have 1 block of water and 1 lava you only get 25% output
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> 75EU
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> the max is 300 and that's with 2 blocks of water and 2 lava
[06:58] <Kilos> yeah then what if you use like 20 blocks of lava on one side
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> then nothing, the code doesn't care
[06:58] <Kilos> oi
[06:59] <Kilos> i was thinking of a dam next to a large lava source
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> i built one but it didn't last long, takes too long to charge a mk3 laser on a LV battery
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> in the laser mining area i have an hv generator and battery
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> that battery charges the mk3 in a couple of minutes
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't worry about a tool workshop because my tools don't wear significantly when i'm laser mining
[07:00] <Kilos> ya i put 2 there in the deep
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must go see it, its massive already
[07:00] <Kilos> i will go look again
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> i keep having to patch up when the lava comes through as well
[07:00] <Kilos> whew
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but its at the far side of my channel where i walk, so its not even dangerous
[07:01] <Kilos> why not go up and kill the source?
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> because its several layers deep and i already have a chest full of obsidian
[07:03] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:03] <Kilos> pity water only converts one layer at a time hey
[07:03] <Kilos> major work
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> exactly
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the amount of work it takes me to just patch up the lava every time i laser it open is minimal
[07:04] <Kilos> ya
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> the lava is right at the edge of the laser's range
[07:04] <Kilos> ah
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it was in the middle it'd be different
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then i'd water it and just use the laser to remove the obsidian as i go along
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> the problem with that laser mining area is more that i'm getting closer to -300
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> and after that there's no uranium, so i need to branch off and start another one eventually
[07:06] <Kilos> whew
[07:07] <Kilos> with the pads it makes life so much easier
[07:07] <Kilos> i still keep falling off narrow roads
[07:08] <Kilos> ah found a use for marble
[07:08] <Kilos> we can build a white house for the reactors officials to live in
[07:09] <Kilos> the govt
[07:10] <Kilos> the pro and son are staying in mazals house, bart has no time to worry about a home as well
[07:32] <charl> morning Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy 
[07:32] <Kilos> hi charl 
[07:32] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:32]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[07:32] <Kilos> hi Spekko 
[07:36] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:37] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:37] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:37] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:39] <Vince-0> hi Kilos 
[07:39] <charl> hi Vince-0 
[07:40] <mazal> Ai , it's one of those days
[07:47] <charl> hi mazal 
[07:57] <mazal> Morning charl 
[08:07] <nuvolari> good grief :P can't turn my back for 2 hours! Coming back and I have to take leave to catch up on IRC 
[08:07] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos, Vince-0, charl, mazal
[08:08] <Kilos> lo nuvolari 
[08:08] <Kilos> lol
[08:08] <mazal> Ho nuvolari 
[08:08] <mazal> hi even
[08:09] <Kilos>  #ubuntu-za-minetest
[08:09] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[08:10] <mazal> One hash oom ?
[08:11] <Kilos> lol nee man ek terg want ons praat baie van minetest hier
[08:11] <mazal> o
[08:11] <mazal> Is nogal , ons gaan raas kry
[08:11] <Kilos> baie interesante speletjie
[08:12] <Kilos> by wie
[08:12] <mazal> Wie ookal die baas is hier :P
[08:12] <Kilos> die hoe vonk
[08:12] <Kilos> hy te besig om te kom lees
[08:13] <Kilos> is mos hy ne?
[08:14] <mazal> Ek het geen idee van wie oom praat nie
[08:14] <Kilos> highvoltage
[08:15] <mazal> But , having a ZA minetest support/discussion site/channel might actually be not a bad idea
[08:16] <Kilos> can one rename irc channels
[08:16] <mazal> I would like to know how many ZA'ers knows about and plays the game
[08:16] <Kilos> we can use ##ubuntu-za-social
[08:16] <mazal> Would be good if one could promote it more as well
[08:16] <Kilos> maybe rename it if that can be done
[08:17] <Kilos> most peeps dont have the time mazal 
[08:17] <mazal> I think minetest deserves some more credit and promotion. Such a great project and since I started it I hardly ever touch my expensive games anymore lol
[08:18] <Kilos> lol
[08:18] <mazal> I was thinking more amongst gamers oom.
[08:18] <Kilos> ash
[08:18] <mazal> People who already play games. Get them to know about and try out the game
[08:18] <Kilos> ahtoo
[08:19] <Kilos> i think what makes it great is playing with friends who helpmekaar
[08:19] <mazal> And I can attest that it runs better on Ubuntu than on Win 7 ( cos I play on 3 different pc's ) so it will sommer be some publicity for Ubuntu as well
[08:20] <Kilos> i wouldnt enjoy it much if peeps were stealing things and attacking you all the time
[08:20] <mazal> Yeah indeed , rules is always needed in a game like this
[08:21] <Kilos> like on the main site they always fighting
[08:21] <mazal> On the forum ?
[08:21] <Kilos> i lose enough by mistakenly trashing the wrong things
[08:21] <mazal> lol
[08:21] <Kilos> um
[08:22] <Kilos> i forget the link
[08:22] <mazal> I sometimes forget where I left something
[08:22] <Kilos> the one the game can go to 
[08:22] <Kilos> haha i do that all the time
[08:23] <Kilos> better to have a few gold chests than all the plain ones
[08:23] <Kilos> only the crafting is hard work
[08:24] <mazal> I have a chest room with nice names and stuff. But sometimes I have some random building materials as I was building and then put them seperate close by. Then 3 weeks later " I am sure I have some of this bricks somewhere "
[08:24] <Kilos> maybe not on chests but on everything else
[08:24] <Kilos> lol
[08:24] <Kilos> old age
[08:25] <mazal> I must learn to clean up my building site when the building is done and go put it at my home
[08:25] <Kilos> do you carry a chest around to place at other jobs
[08:26] <mazal> Nope
[08:26] <mazal> Is to easy to craft one
[08:26] <Kilos> make a gold one
[08:26] <Kilos> then make a wrench
[08:26] <mazal> I must concider that way
[08:26] <mazal> I am mostly a builder and every now and then I go work on a new building
[08:26] <Kilos> then fill the chest then when job done pick up the full chest and take it home
[08:27] <mazal> Good idea oom , gonna do that
[08:29] <mazal> Shees my Thunderbird looks really strange after update
[08:29] <mazal> Especially the "write" screen
[08:50] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, have you the info on how the reactor building must be please, ill try build one on creative to see
[08:50] <Kilos> i cant find that link you gave 
[09:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: https://github.com/minetest-technic/technic/blob/master/technic/machines/HV/nuclear_reactor.lua, line 100
[09:18] <Kilos> ty sir
[09:20] <Kilos> eeeek
[09:21] <Kilos> pictures man not code
[09:21] <Kilos> sjoe ek sukkel met my volk
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[09:22] <Kilos> lol thats all code i see
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't 1980 anymore, you should probably use more modern terms
[09:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> "workers" maybe for a start
[09:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the picture is from line 103 to 113
[09:23] <Kilos> volk=nation
[09:25] <Kilos> i have no idea what to do with that. must i use it in a terminal?
[09:25] <Kilos> or paste that somewhere
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> for real?
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> you read it
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> like just normal words
[09:28] <Kilos> i have no idea at all really
[09:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it tells you what the structure of the thing should look like
[09:29] <Kilos> i can read it yes but what do i do with what i read
[09:29] <Kilos> ok lemme see again
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> am i on candid camera?
[09:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> you build the structure
[09:29] <Kilos> rofl
[09:33] <Kilos> ill copy/paste that code somewhere , it aint easy to read
[09:33] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/whew-f56Ukc6v.png
[09:37] <Private_User> lol
[09:37] <Kilos> lemme go do some fencing for a while
[09:37] <Private_User> good day people
[09:37] <Private_User> hi Kilos
[09:37] <Private_User> hi ThatGraemeGuy
[09:37] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[09:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[09:38] <Private_User> ThatGraemeGuy: nope, you on oh shucks its schuster
[09:38] <Private_User> LOL
[09:39] <Kilos> haha
[09:53] <Kilos> hmm all the electricity under the sun and now spotlights
[09:53] <Kilos> no
[09:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[09:55] <Kilos> i mean superglow things and torches only
[09:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> you really want to wire up every little light to an electrical supply when you're off mining?
[09:56] <Kilos> should have chargable headlamps for miners and neon lights
[09:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> technic has a rechargeable flashlight but it's said to be buggy and thus disabled by default
[09:57] <Kilos> lol when im by lava i forget to put torches up then the water makes obsidian and im in the dark and top to high to put torches
[09:57] <Kilos> ah
[09:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh yeah
[09:57] <Kilos> lava is my biggest chore after crafting upgrades
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> i got into the habit of placing torches around lava before i water it
[09:58] <Kilos> thats a good thing to remember
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> but nowadays i don't bother with watering lava, i just find my way around it
[09:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> obsidian is too much work and has no value at all
[09:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> there should at least be some use to it, to make the effort of mining it worthwhile
[10:00] <Kilos> ya but its lekker to block off the source though because there is lots of ore below where it used to flow
[10:00] <Kilos> obsidian glass is used in some things
[10:00] <mazal> I've mostly just found creative stuff that need some of it , like example obsidian glass and glass doors
[10:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> lava lakes used to be nice because there's typically a lot of good ore visible around it, but with the mining laser even that's irrelevant, i can mine a huge amount of stuff with minimal effort
[10:01] <Kilos> i must still try the drill. the lazer works well but it doesnt cut a clean straight path for me maybe my hand and eye not steady enough
[10:01] <mazal> ThatGraemeGuy, do you know what the "upgrade" slots is for on some electric stuff like some machines and battery boxes and what must be put in there ?
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: it actually fires in a perfectly straight line, your aim is the issue
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> thats why i settled on the method i use now
[10:02] <Kilos> yeah
[10:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: not sure about battery boxes.... maybe increases the charge it can hold?
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> for machines, from what i understand its mean to make it less power hungry
[10:03] <mazal> You think normal RE batteries goes in there ?
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> haven't read the code to confirm
[10:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> correct
[10:03] <mazal> Will play around with that
[10:04] <Kilos> oh that will be good to know
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: easiest way is use 1 machine, check what the switchng station reports the load as
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then add 1 battery, see how it changed the load
[10:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> then the second battery again
[10:06] <mazal> I wonder of those batteries then can run out of life and in turn must be recharged 
[10:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think recharging is implied by the fact that it is on a power network
[10:07] <mazal> So it should actually recharge by itself
[10:08] <mazal> Defnitely gonna play around with that RE batteries is quick and easy craft and if it helps the network will be worth it
[10:14] <nuvolari> great. I'm all alone today :'(
[10:14] <nuvolari> During lunch
[10:18]  * mazal is working alone for two weeks :(
[10:39] <Symmetria> any awesome php coders here? 
[10:43] <charl> Symmetria: there is no such thing as an awesome php coder
[10:43] <charl> if they were an awesome coder they would have not been using php
[10:58] <Symmetria> lol
[10:58] <Symmetria> http://pastebin.com/hmY9nDV6
[10:58] <Symmetria> :( I need that optimized
[10:58] <Symmetria> its slow as holy shit ;p
[10:59] <Symmetria> and haha I'm not in the mood to rewrite it in C 
[10:59] <Symmetria> purely because I'm lazy as shit about things like malloc and strtok ;p
[11:00] <charl> php is slow as shit, standard
[11:00] <charl> python isn't much better afaik
[11:00] <charl> you could try to run a profiler over it
[11:00] <charl> then at least you know what's taking the most time
[11:00] <charl> but when you need performance, java/c is the way to go
[11:08] <bertus> hey guys does anyone know of software I can use to collage mutiple images onto a page ? SImilar to fotor for windows
[11:08] <Kilos> hi bertus
[11:15] <Spekko> more Kilos
[11:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> mazal: putting rechargeable batteries in your MV machines seems to be a no-brainer
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> power demand numbers for MV machines with 0/1/2 batteries in upgrade slots...
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> alloy furnace 3000/2000/1000
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> furnace 2000/1000/500
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> grinder 600/450/300
[11:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> compressor+extractor 800/600/400
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> so 1 of each is 7200EU load if they are all in use
[11:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> vs 2600EU with each having 2 batteries
[11:43] <mazal> Wow that is a bigger difference than I expected it would be
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> and re batteries are basically wood, copper & tin
[11:44] <Kilos> sjoe ThatGraemeGuy nust the reactor have 4 layers of concrete under it too and then 2 layers of blast resistant concrete under that as well
[11:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> i.e. cheap and esay
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: no, you just read it wrong
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have all we need besides a location
[11:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you or superfly have suggestions i'm all ears
[11:48] <Kilos> look in map and see whats available centrally to houses .
[11:49] <Kilos> and or other ventures you have like the pyramid
[11:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> well its you, me and superfly that will use it, nobody else really plays anymore
[11:50] <Kilos> yes mazals house is inetpro and son
[11:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[11:50] <Kilos> they helped with chromium so would be good to add them if possible
[11:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes sure
[11:51] <Kilos> they did most of the mining there in the deep where the pad is
[11:51] <Kilos> i was trying to make power stuff
[11:52] <Kilos> some of these power things are weird, connect top bottom or sides varies some i think
[11:53] <Kilos> once reactor up each oke can do his own cabling i think
[11:53] <Kilos> 20 ks of hv cable
[11:53] <Kilos> whew
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmm yes
[11:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> need to make more cable, didnt consider that
[11:58] <Kilos> oh ThatGraemeGuy what did i read wrong?
[12:05] <Kilos> oh with the stanles layers too
[12:05] <Kilos> but surely same ubderneeth as surrounding the core
[12:07] <Kilos> sjoe and water
[12:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> its a cube
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> reactor in the centre, then water, stainless steel, blast-resistant concrete and then concrete
[12:08] <Kilos> with water surrounding core except for cable?
[12:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> the outer concrete layer seems to have been made optional recently, but i think you can get radiation damage without it
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[12:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll show you later
[12:09] <Kilos> ill try it with cable out the side of core
[12:10] <Kilos> just takes me long putting so many blocks down and falling off hehe
[12:32] <charl> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/smartphones/106988-apple-iphone-ipad-surprise-in-south-africa.html
[12:33] <charl> BlackBerry remains the most used smartphone in South Africa, with 2.9 million devices. However, this number is declining rapidly.
[12:33] <charl> seriously ?! blackberry ?!
[12:33] <charl> i thought they closed down
[12:35] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[12:36] <Kilos> you too mazal 
[12:36] <Kilos> too many peeps think bb is an image fone so buy them regardless
[12:38] <charl> very strange
[12:38] <charl> if you buy a bb here you will probably end up getting laughed out
[12:39] <charl> "nobody uses that anymore, what are you, ten years behind the time"
[12:39] <Kilos> lol
[12:39] <charl> what types of apps are there for bb, probably very few
[12:40] <Kilos> ?
[12:40] <Kilos> im not a fancy cell person
[12:40] <charl> me neither, i don't even have a mobile
[12:42] <Kilos> oh they are handy for contact from wherever
[12:51] <charl> hmmm coreos looks promising
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: as far as i understand having the cable come out of the side ought to work as well
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> try it out and see
[12:52] <Kilos> yip so they say. it will save a bit of cable
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[12:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you say so
[12:53] <Kilos> i gotta rebuilt left out some layers of stuff
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> me i prefer to run it out of the bottom and have a cable tunnel
[12:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't want cable lying all over above ground
[12:53] <Kilos> ooo that sounds goo too
[12:54] <Kilos> then there must be a tunnel to each house?
[12:54] <Kilos> good
[12:54] <Kilos> all at different levels
[12:54] <Kilos> sjoe
[12:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> i managed to tunnel to the pyramid from my basement, i'm sure a cable tunnel is hardly a challenge :)
[12:55] <Kilos> rofl ya you did a good job there, im impressed
[12:56] <Kilos> the mark3 drill removes only one block at a time like a pick 
[12:56] <Kilos> in creative mode, yours removes 4 blocks
[12:56] <Kilos> or is that technique
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't understand you just said 2 comflicting things
[12:57] <Kilos> oi
[12:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> only removes 1 block and removes 4 at a time, which is it?
[12:58] <Kilos> yours in the game when i watched you removed 4 and mine in creative removes 1
[12:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> it has different modes, you shift-click it
[12:58] <Kilos> oh ty
[12:58] <Kilos> i must go back to school and get my dads money back
[12:59] <Kilos> they taught me nothing
[12:59] <Kilos> lol i think it was like R2 a term
[13:01] <Kilos> hahaha sis says 25c a month for 3 of us
[13:05] <Trixar_za> Hey Kilos 
[13:06] <Trixar_za> 8ta is running a deal right now - if you buy 500MB for R69, they give you an extra 500MB the next day (so 1GB total)
[13:06] <Trixar_za> Only they messed up and gave me 250MB too
[13:06] <Trixar_za> :P
[13:06] <Trixar_za> So go get it
[13:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos:  http://mt.donaldson.za.net/temp.png
[13:07] <Trixar_za> It only lasts until before the 30th though
[13:07] <Kilos> im hoping ian will get me airtime today R150
[13:08] <Trixar_za> ThatGraemeGuy: What's that?
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: build it in the green area just slightly to the left of the centre of that pic?
[13:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> Trixar_za: map of a section of our minetest world
[13:09] <Trixar_za> Nice
[13:09]  * ThatGraemeGuy pings superfly
[13:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> repeatedly
[13:12] <Kilos> oh no man ThatGraemeGuy im doing it in creative single player
[13:12] <Kilos> oh i didnt see the ?
[13:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i'm not saying you must built it, i'm asking if you think that's a good place for it
[13:12] <Kilos> the fly is afk
[13:15] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, where is your pyramid
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> far from us
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> it needs to be central to people's houses not random far locations
[13:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can teleport home to charge stuff
[13:17] <Kilos> ok there is a road that makes a kink left and right on the small road from me to you guys
[13:18] <Kilos> 2 yellow articles show in the kink, is it about there you say?
[13:18] <Kilos> ya porting is lekker
[13:20] <Kilos> where my black road has rails the first branch to the right leads to the kink
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> not following
[13:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> approximate co-ordinates?
[13:21] <Kilos> 140 and -60
[13:23] <Kilos> -68 about
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> right by barry's place?
[13:23] <Kilos> oh is that where that is?
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> never mind
[13:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> will check tonight, busy again
[13:24] <Kilos> ok
[13:50] <charl> ah large parts of NL is flooding
[13:50] <charl> and here where i am still sunshine
[13:51] <charl> bbl
[13:51] <charl> need to go home before it comes over here
[13:51] <Kilos> ai!
[14:10] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, can one put the core in safely and then carry on building the rest of the cube? and then how do you put rods in?
[14:11] <Kilos> and where do you put them in anyway
[14:14] <Kilos> as in when does it go active?
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> right-click it, just like anything else that takes fuel
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think it only becomes active if its connected to a power network properly
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then if the housing is wrong it melts down
[14:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> i am almost done in creative mode
[14:16] <ThatGraemeGuy> want to test the area protection mod to see if a non-owner can still place fuel in it
[14:18] <Kilos> ok
[14:19] <Kilos> ive rebuilt twice because i either used wrong blocks or left some out
[14:19] <Kilos> twit
[14:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> urgh
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> so with the area protected, only the owner of the protected area can add fuel
[14:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> that sucks
[14:20] <Kilos> ah it says it has no network
[14:20] <Kilos> now to surround it with water
[14:21] <Kilos> dunno how you gonna right click it when its all closed in
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you leave a manhold like it said
[14:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> manhole even
[14:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok so the fuel thing is a slight hassle
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> but we can put a chest next to it for people to leave fuel in and then every now and then i just put fuel in the core
[14:42] <Kilos> ya will have to send koos to recharge
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> rather that than risk accidental damage causing meltdown
[14:42] <Kilos> oh you mean with permissions
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> very expensive to build this thing
[14:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea
[14:42] <Kilos> thats fine just no long holidays for you
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can check it out on the creative server if you want
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> thing is 6 fuel lasts a week
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you can put up to 99 in each of the 6 slots
[14:43] <Kilos> not atm im waiting for data
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> so just keep adding as we have it
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> eventually we should have months' worth
[14:43] <Kilos> thats good
[14:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool i'm going to make it meltdown
[14:43] <Kilos> eish
[14:44] <Kilos> what output did it give you?
[14:44] <Kilos> before you blow it
[14:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> 100,000EU
[14:44] <Kilos> thats good hey
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[14:45] <Kilos> whew
[14:45] <Kilos> run a city with that about
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have 5 hv solar arrays which were already pretty expensive to make, and they only make 25,000
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then only during less than half a minetest day
[14:45] <Kilos> yeah
[14:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> only start producing a little after sunrise, and stop a little before sunset
[14:46] <Kilos> nuke is the way to go
[14:46] <Kilos> once home connected ill take my solar stuff to the deep
[14:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> you do realise solar means it needs sunlight
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> and there isn't much of that at -4500
[14:58] <Kilos> yip but it can help keep batteries full
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> um
[14:58] <Kilos> lotsa cable
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe i'm not clear
[14:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> solar panels do not work underground
[14:58] <Kilos> solar up top
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> LOL
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> you want to lay 4500 cables?
[14:59] <Kilos> 5 ks of cable
[14:59] <Kilos> i think im at 4800 or close
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok just take some time to realiase how much resources you need for that
[14:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> copper paper rubber whatever goes into cables i can't recall now
[14:59] <Kilos> too much
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> a little
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> not to mention it would take you days to even place that much cable
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and you have torches in the mineshaft what would stop you
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> so every time there's a torch you have to remove it
[15:00] <Kilos> yeah that too
[15:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> and place a glow glass in a hole in the wall
[15:01] <Kilos> that could be imbedded superglows
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> so yeah, i'll see you in 2016 when you're done
[15:01] <Kilos> hahaha
[15:01] <Kilos> maybe ill just mine somewhere else
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> i played with the HV quarry in creative mode
[15:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> its super cool
[15:01] <Kilos> but its not bad if coal keeps coming in
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> lol
[15:02] <Kilos> what is the quarry
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> i really don't think you understand how deep -4800 is
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> remember before teleporting and before fast mode
[15:02] <Kilos> i do ive been digging there since i started playing
[15:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> it would take 20 minutes just to go down to --3000
[15:02] <Kilos> yes?
[15:03] <Kilos> ya
[15:03] <Kilos> eina
[15:03] <Kilos> i did it often as well
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> now imagine you aren't just climbing straight down you have to sotop at every block to place a cable
[15:03] <Kilos> didnt go fast and didnt have wrench for full chests or niks
[15:03] <SilverCode> does anyone know of any tools that ping a host every X seconds and log the results to a file, and then if it sees a ping take more than Y seconds, it does a tracert to the host and logs that?
[15:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> it will take you a month
[15:03] <Kilos> thats why bart joined
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> well
[15:04] <Kilos> sec sil
[15:04] <Kilos> mtr
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> i am clearly not clear enough, so good luck with your cabling
[15:04] <SilverCode> trying to figure out if my ISP to to blame for lag spikes, or my exchange
[15:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> SilverCode: 10 minutes of bash scripting will get you that ;-)
[15:05] <Kilos> mtr -i2 -s0 -n 8.8.8.8
[15:05] <Kilos> time ping -i2 -s0 -c10 8.8.8.8
[15:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: if you have a sec check the other server on port 30001 you can see how cool the quarry is
[15:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> you put it down and it has a face with a pick. turn it with the screwdriver if you want and then it digs in that direction
[15:06] <Kilos> as soon as ian comes online with data ill be there or after 11pm
[15:06] <Kilos> last 2 days were 400+ a day
[15:06] <Kilos> oh my
[15:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> you set a radius, default 4, then it digs a square in the direction of the pick (radius x 2) +1 blocks
[15:06] <SilverCode> ThatGraemeGuy: 10 minutes of bash scripting will send me a path of 3 days of programming
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> so radius 4 it digs a 9x9 square
[15:07] <SilverCode> first 10 minutes trying to do it in bash
[15:07] <SilverCode> next 24 hours trying to do it in C++
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> and it digs to a depth of 100 below the level of the quarry
[15:07] <Kilos> wow
[15:07] <SilverCode> last 48 hours doing it in PHP
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> SilverCode: eh ok
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> most of us don't overengineer to that degree
[15:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'd never get any work done
[15:08] <SilverCode> As a programmer, it is my responsibility to overengineer things
[15:09] <Kilos> oh you actually want to make the tool from  scratch
[15:09] <SilverCode> if we stopped overengineering things, we would be be releasing software every 2nd day and people would stop paying us lots of money
[15:09] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:09] <SilverCode> Kilos: no, I don't, but as a programmer, no other tool is ever good enough, and "I'm sure I can do it better"
[15:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> remind me never to hire you then :-)
[15:10] <Kilos> sjoe
[15:10] <Kilos> commands so much easier
[15:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> it isn't programmers that think like that, its perfectionists :-)
[15:11] <SilverCode> true
[15:11] <SilverCode> but being a perfectionist is what gets most people into programming
[15:11] <Kilos> im gonna connect a switch to reaktor and see what happens
[15:11] <SilverCode> "This sucks, I'm sure it can be done better" ... and a new programmer is born
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i guess we'll have to agree to disagree
[15:12] <Kilos> eish, in the top it says no network
[15:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> ciao ciao all
[15:12] <Kilos> go safe ThatGraemeGuy 
[15:15] <Squirm> hello
[15:15] <Kilos> hi Squirm 
[16:39] <superfly> Ohi
[16:40] <Kilos> hi there superfly graeme wants to know where you think the best location for the reactor is
[16:41] <superfly> We chatted a little earlier
[16:42] <Kilos> ah
[16:44] <superfly> ThatGraemeGuy: as a developer, I agree with you.
[16:49] <Gremble> o/
[16:50] <Kilos> hi Gremble 
[17:28] <bertus> hey guys
[17:28] <bertus> what are some great ubuntu/linux mint help websites?
[17:29] <bertus> I already use the following: http://www.webupd8.org/ http://www.noobslab.com/ http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[17:33] <bertus> hey guys
[17:34] <Kilos> ty bertus
[17:36] <bertus> hey kilos how are you bro?
[17:36] <bertus> still rocking the ubuntu?
[17:36] <Kilos> lol too old to be a bro
[17:36] <inetpro> good evening
[17:36] <bertus> cool
[17:36] <Kilos> always rocking on ubuntu
[17:36] <Kilos> hi inetpro 
[17:36] <bertus> version? what flavour?
[17:37] <Kilos> 14.04 unity and kde
[17:39] <Kilos> bertus, have you tried kubuntu
[17:39] <Kilos> the clever guys use kde
[17:39] <Kilos> i use it because i was forced
[17:40] <bertus> yes I don't like kde 
[17:40] <bertus> have not tried plasma 5
[17:40] <bertus> Has anyone? Is it good?
[17:40] <bertus> I tried arch, last week! wow that's a bit crazy 
[17:41] <bertus> now running linux mint cinnamon edition x64
[17:41] <Kilos> thats for linux geeks
[17:42] <bertus> yep the arch user repository is insane good/bad
[17:48] <bertus> http://dl.fullcirclemagazine.org/issue87_en.pdf
[17:48] <bertus> check this latest one out guys
[18:10] <bertus> are you using kde kilos?
[18:11] <Kilos> atm unity, but i run kde on another drive in this pc and choose at boot which one for the day
[18:11] <Kilos> kde takes getting used to but once you settle in it very lekker
[18:12] <bertus> okay I see, what is the best in your opinion?
[18:12] <bertus> i have tried kde but need to learn more about it 
[18:54] <Kilos> kde takes getting used to because everything is different but once you know it it rocks
[19:25] <Gremble> I want to use bspwm. But you need a 3 year diploma to get that set up
[19:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo
[20:05] <Kilos> uh oh ThatGraemeGuy server siek?
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> had a hiccup it seems, i just reconnected
[20:06] <Kilos> aha
[20:06] <Kilos> ty
[20:06] <Kilos> where are you?
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> at home
[20:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> :P
[20:06] <Kilos> working on power?
[20:07] <Kilos> lol
[20:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> no, i got caught up in creative and discussing nuclear reactor design in #minetest-technic
[20:11] <Kilos> aha i built mine put cores and cables but it dont boot
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm laser mining
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> no network?
[20:11] <Kilos> no supply
[20:11] <Kilos> supply 0
[20:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> what does the reactor core say when you mouse over it?
[20:12] <Kilos> but i been online then it stopped working so i restartyed now
[20:12] <Kilos> it says core i think
[20:12] <Kilos> right click lets me see cores rods
[20:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> well
[20:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> it does work, so you must have wired something wrong
[20:14] <Kilos> ive tried cable out top and side of reactor into all sides of switch
[20:15] <Kilos> its same as a generator without coal
[20:18] <Kilos> something wrong ThatGraemeGuy peeks look like green spooks now
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night all
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> eh?
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> take a screenshot
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> does the game play ok? if so then ignore
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> if not, exit, reconnect
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> same old same old
[20:19] <Kilos> it seems to sec for screenshot
[20:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> night night!
[20:20] <Kilos> ok night'
[22:48] <Kilos> sjoe night guys. sleep tight