[05:41] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[06:05] <Kilos> hi superfly and others
[06:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:18] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:25] <Kilos> haha that things went spooky last night, will check again tonight
[06:25] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/ghosts-f4CTj39s.png
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> i think that happens if it didn't load the default player texture for some reason
[06:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> speaking of viewing the player, did you know you can new press F7 to change view?
[06:41] <Kilos> aha , everything worked just looked spooky
[06:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you can see over your shoulder
[06:41] <Kilos> that sounds good 
[06:41] <Kilos> then i can see lava attacking me from behind
[06:41] <Kilos> hehe
[06:42] <Kilos> died twice last night
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> i made lots of HV cable and then ran out of copper
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> at least with the new way bones work you just click them to pick up all your stuff
[06:42] <Kilos> i have all over i think, check in chests
[06:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> the old way way pretty tedious
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> i can't look in your chests there is no classification
[06:43] <Kilos> oh i didnt know that i still right click and drag things over
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> everything is just randomly everywhere
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh sorry i thought i told you
[06:43] <Kilos> huh?
[06:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah you just punch your bones to pick up everything in them
[06:43] <Kilos> cool
[06:44] <Kilos> oh the reactor doesnt need a manhole you can see reactor to load where cable comes out
[06:44] <Kilos> in creative anyway
[06:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh?
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> cool, i didn't realise
[06:45] <Kilos> creative seems to see further though
[06:45] <ThatGraemeGuy> either way it is a dangerous thing, they have made updates to it so that you take some radiation damage even when refuelling
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> so you must be quick or you'll die eventually
[06:46] <Kilos> lol ya didnt you see i said we send koos to charge it
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've tested in creative though it isn't that bad
[06:46] <ThatGraemeGuy> my idea was to use the superadmin user to own the area of the reactor using the area protection mod
[06:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> that way nobody can accidentally damage the structure and induce meltdown
[06:47] <Kilos> yes thats good random  lazer beams cant cause havoc
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> was playing around in creative with the quarry, i think i've found my new favourite mining method
[06:49] <Kilos> lol
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> hook it up to some tubes, with a sorting tube that sends cobble, dirt and gravel to one chest and another chest that gets everything else
[06:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> works like a charm
[06:50] <Kilos> my reacto9r still shows supply 0 demand 0
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[06:50] <Kilos> dunno where i went wrong
[06:50] <ThatGraemeGuy> wait your reactor or your switching station?
[06:50] <Kilos> core surrounded by water
[06:51] <Kilos> switching station shows that
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> and reactor?
[06:51] <Kilos> lemme see
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> you must put fuel in all 6 clots btw, not just 1
[06:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> um, slots
[06:52] <Kilos> nuclear generator core idle
[06:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> all 6 slots have fuel?
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> uranium fuel rods, not lumps or ingots
[06:54] <ThatGraemeGuy> bright green vertical line looking things
[06:54] <Kilos> yip 25 yellow rods in each slot
[06:54] <Kilos> oh thats it\
[06:55] <Kilos> i put wrong stuff
[06:55] <Kilos> oh no they are green
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> screenshot?
[06:56] <Kilos> sec
[06:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> if it still says idle maybe the wire isn't connected properly
[06:58] <Kilos> cant take a screenshot with reactor open
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> weird
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh well
[06:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> good luck
[06:58] <Kilos> ty
[06:59] <Kilos> what did you mean you cant take copper ingots
[06:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> huh?
 i can't look in your chests there is no classification
[07:00] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, i mean i find it frustrating to have to look at every single chest because you have no sorting in place
[07:00] <bduk> More almal
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> like i have 1 chest that has all metals
[07:01] <Kilos> look in gold chest in the deep
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> but your stuff is all over the place, so if i need something i need to look through 30 different chests every time
[07:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> nah i'll just build a solar powered quarry so long, copper is common :)
[07:02] <Kilos> yeah i sukkel to sort it so am going to make just a few gold chests instead
[07:02] <Kilos> i battle to find stuff as well
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> you've seen my basement
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> that works well for me
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> for normal stuff i put a block above the chest showing what's in it
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> and my gold chests are labelled
[07:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> although there's only 4 so i know whats in them for now
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> but if you end up with 20 gold chests eventually, labels will come in handt
[07:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> handy too
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> mornings bduk :)
[07:05] <Kilos> lol yeah
[07:05] <Kilos> hi bduk 
[07:05] <bduk> See you guys are busy
[07:05] <Kilos> yip
[07:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> all talk, no action ;-)
[07:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> but yeah, we're pretty much ready to build our nuclear power reactor
[07:07] <bduk> ish so far. only starting lv stuff now but i got lots of minerals
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah it starts slow but gets better
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i don't have any use for LV anymore
[07:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> i have a battery and some wiring that isn't connected anymore i must clean i up
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> all my machines are now MV
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> and I use a fuel-powered HV generator and battery in my mining area
[07:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> HV battery charges the mk3 mining laser in 2 mins
[07:09] <bduk> Brager:) Im slow but ill get there eventualy
[07:10] <Kilos> bduk, you gotta put up a sign by your house and at the nearest main road leading to it
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> heh
[07:11] <Kilos> i dont know where you are and the pro has taken over mazal s house
[07:11] <bduk> Why i know where my house is
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> we have teleporting and you still worry about roads? :P
[07:12] <Kilos> if its right by mazal s then i might have showed pro the wrong place
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> :-o
[07:13] <Kilos> yip we port everywhere just about now. even got one in the messy lava place in the deep
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> why isn't he finding his own spot? you can just hand over someone else's place
[07:13] <Kilos> mazal, gave it to me
[07:13] <Kilos> didnt you read that day
[07:14] <Kilos> actually bart took it over but he has too much work mining , and dwarves must live underground
[07:18] <mazal> Morning everyone
[07:18] <bduk> More Maz
[07:18] <mazal> Lo B
[07:19] <mazal> Oom Kilos , bduk's house was across from my little house ( south ) , not far , about 30 nodes or so. But was underground mostly
[07:20] <mazal> It's my big house , then just south is the little house , then more south garden , then more south barry's old house. But all close together
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can tell which it it by the locked doors if i'm not mistaken
[07:22] <mazal> I broke them down long ago Greame
[07:22] <mazal> It looks kinda like a castle
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you guys have abandoned that stuff we should make a plan to change those doors and locked chests
[07:22] <mazal> Already did
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> change owner i mean
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah ok
[07:23] <mazal> I did all mine , dunno about barry's though
[07:23] <ThatGraemeGuy> if they aren't i can make a plan
[07:25] <mazal> My mine would work nice for uranium
[07:25] <mazal> It consists of rooms every 10 nodes or so
[07:26] <Kilos> hi mazal 
[07:26] <mazal> So you can just go make them bigger sodeways
[07:26] <mazal> sideways even
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> nope
[07:26] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you've been mining there those map blocks are already generated and saved in the DB
[07:27] <mazal> Not if you go 100+ sideways
[07:27] <ThatGraemeGuy> trust me :)
[07:27] <mazal> Then it's new generation isn't it
[07:27] <mazal> It's supposed to generate only like 60x60 at a time
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> i had to go to a black area on the map image to have new stuff generated
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> and kilos went several hundred down in the deep before he started getting new stuff
[07:28] <Kilos> see ThatGraemeGuy he took off the steel doors and locked chests for me , i didnt just take
[07:28] <mazal> It works for down , why not sideways ?
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> it doesn't
[07:28] <mazal> When I go down 100+ after new stuff was added I get the new stuff
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok then
[07:28] <mazal> So why doesn't x axis work the same ?
[07:28] <ThatGraemeGuy> guess i imagined all those hours of searching
[07:29] <mazal> I'm only telling you what happened
[07:29] <mazal> And it happened twice after adding new ores
[07:29] <mazal> Except for uranium as I was too deep
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> it happened on your world
[07:29] <ThatGraemeGuy> which isn't nearly as thorougly explored as ours is
[07:30] <mazal> Is the same principle
[07:30] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes ok
[07:30] <mazal> Whatever depth you are , there will be already blocks generated up to only a certain point
[07:31] <mazal> Below that and sideways is unexplored
[07:31] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[07:31] <mazal> When you add new stuff and then pass that point ( down or sideways ) new are generated
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> ok
[07:32] <mazal> I can still remeber I was at -700 when I added first mod , on -840 in the same mine got the new ores
[07:32] <mazal> Added another mod
[07:33] <ThatGraemeGuy> awesome
[07:33] <mazal> Just over -1000 in the same minde got those new ones
[07:33] <mazal> Except the uranium because of the depth limit
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're still ignoring the small fact that our world is WAY more thoroughly explored
[07:34] <mazal> If underground then yes
[07:34] <ThatGraemeGuy> i still stumble on an old abandoned mining area every now and then
[07:35] <mazal> If all your underground mines are within 100 nodes of each other then yes
[07:35]  * ThatGraemeGuy sighs
[07:35] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'm done
[07:35] <Kilos> hahaha
[07:35] <Kilos> you cant argue with the code
[07:35] <mazal> For example , if nobody else mined south of me , and you go in that mine and mine south you gonna find new ores
[07:36] <mazal> Because there is nothing generated underground there yet
[07:36]  * ThatGraemeGuy nods
[07:36] <nuvolari> sneeky sneeky
[07:37] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[07:37] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, i think i know whats wrong with my reaktor
[07:38] <ThatGraemeGuy> you spelled it wrong?
[07:38]  * ThatGraemeGuy runs
[07:38] <Kilos> i think i didnt add cable on block below or to the side , it just goes straight to the core
[07:39] <Kilos> lol
[07:39] <Kilos> reactor
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> huh?
[07:39] <ThatGraemeGuy> the cable must be placed on the block right next to it
[07:39] <Kilos> you know when you connect to switch etc you right click cable below or so
[07:40] <ThatGraemeGuy> yea
[07:40] <Kilos> methinks the water was in the way
[07:40] <Kilos> so clicked directly there or something. ill strip it down and look
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> ah
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> i build the thing a layer at a time
[07:41] <ThatGraemeGuy> and when the water is involved i place it last
[07:41] <Kilos> ive already send a lazer been right through the thing because of forgetting to change tools
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> so the layer below water is concrete ring, blast-concrete ring, stainless steel and a cable in the centre
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> then its concrete ring, blast-concrete ring, stainless steel ring
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> cable in the centre
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> and then i only place the water around the cable
[07:42] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can take a look when i build it
[07:43] <Kilos> ill check that out. im sure it isnt connected to the rod
[07:43] <ThatGraemeGuy> hopefully tonight
[07:50] <Kilos> found the top connections prob will look further for the side one
[07:50] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/bad_connection-UAvcWXl6.png
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> you need to make just 1 cable
[07:51] <Kilos> ya but when side one didnt work i added one on top
[07:51] <ThatGraemeGuy> too much cable leave not enough space for water, and if the structure isn't exactly right it will go into meltdown nearly immediately
[07:52] <ThatGraemeGuy> there is no margin for error
[07:52] <Kilos> like some of the things only work from top or only bottom so i wasnt sure
[07:52] <Symmetria> heh, so, charl told me if I wanted performance outta my tld_stats proggy, forget php and rewrite it in C
[07:53] <Symmetria> http://logs.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/tld_stats.c <[07:53] <ThatGraemeGuy> you're surprised? people don't use scripting languages because they're fast ;-)
[07:55] <Symmetria> aalston@mirror:~/temp$ du -h test.log
[07:55] <Symmetria> 852M    test.log
[07:56] <Symmetria> lets see how fast it runs through that 
[07:56] <Symmetria> real    0m25.586s
[07:56] <Symmetria> user    0m24.937s
[07:56] <Symmetria> sys     0m0.637s
[07:56] <Symmetria> damn thats not bad 
[07:56] <Kilos> hmm... it looks connected
[07:56] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/connected-2T8fdncS.png
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> something is wrong below it though
[07:57] <ThatGraemeGuy> only 1 water and all that steel
[07:58] <Kilos> thats sand to remove the water so i could see
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i mean under the core is a water block
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> that should be stainless steel
[07:58] <ThatGraemeGuy> and the core looks like its 1 level below where it should be
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> supposed to be in the centre
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> no wait
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> hrm
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> no i don't know
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> hard to tell when you open up a small piece like that
[07:59] <ThatGraemeGuy> break it all down, start over :P
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> its basically 9 layers from bottom to top
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> l1 9x9 concrete with cable in the centre
[08:01] <ThatGraemeGuy> l2 9x9 concrete outer ring, 7x7 solid blast-resistant concrete with cable in the centre
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> l3 9x9 concrete ring, 7x7 b-r concrete ring, 5x5 stainless steel blocks, cable in the centre
[08:02] <ThatGraemeGuy> l4 9x9 concrete ring, 7x7 b-r concrete ring, 5x5 stainless steel block ring, cable in the centre, water in the space between cable and steel
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> l5  9x9 concrete ring, 7x7 b-r concrete ring, 5x5 stainless steel block ring, core in the centre, water in the space between core and steel
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> then the upper layers mirror those below except an empty space in the centre replaces the cable
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> so above l5 is the same as l4 and so on
[08:05] <Kilos> the steel is just 1 around the water
[08:05] <Kilos> ?
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> just build 1 layer at a time the way i described it
[08:07] <Kilos> like one thickness steel cube?
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[08:08] <Kilos> good then ill get there ,remember i said i forgot some layers or stuff so then i had to dig under the structure and add it
[08:08] <Kilos> so outside steel is all there i hope
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> 1 at a time
[08:08] <Kilos> took me hours to place all them blocks
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you get even 1 block wrong it will melt down
[08:08] <Kilos> oi
[08:10] <Kilos> meltdown can only damage that area in the singleplayer game isnt it
[08:10] <Kilos> it wont damage anything else?
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> the core turns to a very radioactive thing called corium
[08:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> that flows like lava and starts eating stuff
[08:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> but sometimes cools to a solid block called chernobylite
[08:12] <Kilos> ah thats the russian meltdown site
[08:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> but a meltdown is ugly, that's the bottom line, you want to avoid it at all costs
[08:17] <Kilos> the important thing is the steel enclosure and water isnt it? one can surround that withmany layers of blast resistant concrete?
[08:18] <Kilos> http://picpaste.com/steel_enclosure-Fgfhxr4L.png
[08:18] <Kilos> like if ive put 4 layers of blast stuff instead of 2 will it blow
[08:18] <ThatGraemeGuy> looks right, now fill with water and the top layer of steel blocks must be closed up
[08:19] <Kilos> cool
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> and b-r concrete, i can't tell if that's solid or not
[08:19] <ThatGraemeGuy> there have been recent changes, so the requirement is up to the blast-resistant concrete
[08:20] <Kilos> ok ill try it when closed up
[08:20] <ThatGraemeGuy> the outer concrete is optional for meltdown purposes, but it provides some shielding, so without it you will take radiation damage just from walking around the building
[08:21] <Kilos> does it popup warnings or blow a siren if it wants to meltdown?
[08:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> there's a siren
[08:21] <Kilos> cool hopefully that gives you time to remove rods
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> too late, you can only remove rods that are unused
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> but it still keeps running on the rods that it started using
[08:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can't remove those
[08:22] <Kilos> ah well if i did something wrong chernobyl here we come
[08:23] <Kilos> ill just put 6 single rods to start
[08:29] <charl> good morning
[08:29] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[08:29]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[08:29] <charl> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy 
[08:29] <Kilos> hi charl 
[08:30] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[08:30] <Maaz> Kilos: Alrighty
[08:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey charl
[08:33] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl and Kilos!
[08:34] <Kilos> Maaz, gracias amigo
[08:34] <Maaz> ¡de nada compadre
[08:34] <Symmetria> charl...
[08:35] <Symmetria> I did a C rewrite
[08:35] <Symmetria> heh look at this
[08:35] <Symmetria> real    0m32.735s
[08:35] <Symmetria> user    0m31.941s
[08:35] <Symmetria> sys     0m0.778s
[08:35] <Symmetria> aalston@mirror:~/temp$ du -h weblog.log
[08:35] <Symmetria> 929M    weblog.log
[08:35] <Symmetria> aalston@mirror:~/temp$ wc -l weblog.log
[08:35] <Symmetria> 4529964 weblog.log
[08:35] <Symmetria> thats some seriously fast processing :p
[08:36] <Symmetria> and honestly I can't really see how I'd optimize beyond what I did in there, well, there is another way to optimize that even further but it would take a gazillion lines of code to do it right for what wouldn't be much advantage, so I couldn't be bothered
[08:36] <Symmetria> lol
[08:41] <Kilos> dont be lasy Symmetria if it can be made better then do it
[08:42] <Kilos> always do everything to the best of your ability
[08:42] <Kilos> laziness doesnt come into it
[08:44] <ThatGraemeGuy> write it in assembler
[08:51] <nuvolari> Hi guys/ladies
[08:51] <nuvolari> anyone managing a google group?
[08:52] <Kilos> vince does
[08:52] <Kilos> and the pro i think
[08:59] <nuvolari> vin<tab> 
[08:59] <nuvolari> :'(
[08:59] <Kilos> he is hiding
[08:59] <Kilos> lol
[08:59] <Kilos> not online at the moment
[09:00] <Kilos> mail him or sms him
[09:10] <charl> Symmetria: awesome !!
[09:10] <charl> yeah c is just great for those type of things
[09:10] <charl> hi nuvolari 
[09:17] <mazal> Oi , what a day
[09:19] <inetpro> nuvolari: google groups, why you asking?
[09:19] <inetpro> good mornings everyone
[09:20] <mazal> Morning inetpro 
[09:20] <inetpro> hi mazal
[09:20] <inetpro> mazal: why you decided to abandon your home?
[09:21] <mazal> inetpro, I made my own server ( for various reasons )
[09:21] <Kilos> lo inetpro 
[09:21] <inetpro> so it's ok to take over your home?
[09:25] <Kilos> yip
[09:25] <Kilos> mazal, se tog ja man
[09:26] <inetpro> don't have many hours available and not sure how long I can stay interested so a real home is not most important for me, at least at this stage
[09:26] <Kilos> well its there to use and mine too
[09:27] <inetpro> thanks Kilos
[09:27] <nuvolari> inetpro: keep getting messages from specific users that is flagged as spam
[09:27] <nuvolari> I can't see anything funky
[09:27] <nuvolari> so just wondered if anyone had some similar experiences
[09:27] <inetpro> nuvolari: flagged as spam by GGroups?
[09:30] <inetpro> I don't use gg for big projects, so haven't seen such issues
[09:31] <nuvolari> inetpro: yeah
[09:31] <nuvolari> It ends up in my moderator list
[09:31] <nuvolari> like a day after it was posted
[09:32] <inetpro> problems that I did experience back when I used it for a school parent-feedback mailing list I remember some parents not being able to receive messages
[09:33] <inetpro> due to corporate policies or such rules
[09:33] <inetpro> even @gmail addresses being blocked
[09:34] <nuvolari> that's lame
[09:37] <mazal> inetpro, you're welcome to take it
[09:38] <mazal> inetpro, but take the big one , the small one doesn't have much space ;)
[09:42] <inetpro> nuvolari: not many though
[09:42] <inetpro> like one or two
[09:42] <inetpro> mazal: ty
[09:44] <nuvolari> but still
[09:44] <nuvolari> I've come across a national forum for RC stuff that bans gmail addresses :-/
[09:49] <Kilos> wbb
[09:51] <theblazehen> hi Kilos, all
[09:57] <charl> hi theblazehen 
[09:57] <charl> hi Private_User 
[09:57] <theblazehen> hi charl 
[09:57] <Kilos> hi theblazehen 
[10:03] <Private_User> hi charl
[10:03] <Private_User> hi Kilos, theblazehen
[10:03] <theblazehen> hi Private_User 
[10:03] <Kilos> hi Private_User 
[10:03]  * Squirm looks around
[10:03] <theblazehen> hi Squirm 
[10:03] <Kilos> yo Squirm 
[10:03] <Squirm> hi
[10:05] <theblazehen> reminds me of "<3 thunder"...
[10:06] <theblazehen> http://wiki.xkcd.com/irc/Heart_Thunder
[10:08] <charl> hi Squirm 
[10:09] <Kilos> whew check out what all this command shows
[10:09] <Kilos> sudo lspci -vvxx
[10:10] <theblazehen>  jeandre  ~  lspci | wc -l
[10:10] <theblazehen> 9
[10:10] <theblazehen>  jeandre  ~  lspci | grep "Red Hat" | wc -l
[10:10] <theblazehen> 3
[10:10] <theblazehen> lol
[10:11] <Kilos> is that all you see?
[10:12] <Kilos> i see lotsa info
[10:12] <theblazehen> Yeah, I also did
[10:12] <Kilos> oh
[10:12] <theblazehen> But without -vvxx i get 3 stuff from red hat lol
[10:14] <charl> theblazehen: that heart thunder is ocd for the advanced
[10:14] <theblazehen> yeah
[10:16] <theblazehen> fuck it..
[10:16] <theblazehen>          <3 thunder
[10:18] <charl>                <3 thunder
[11:56] <mazal> Hmm , I have 40gig data left with only 2 days left in the month .....what to download ????
[12:04] <bduk> Kan ek maar kom rubber steel hiet by jou
[12:05] <mazal> Hey los my rubber
[12:05] <mazal> B jy nog hier ?
[12:05] <bduk> ish sommer net so
[12:06] <mazal> Kyk aan die voorkant van my kasteel , daar is rubber trees geplant. Sulke hoë bome. Die stamme is wit en bruin
[12:06] <mazal> Kap hulle en gaan gooi hulle hout in die extractor
[12:07] <bduk> Hier is ' bordjie op wat se bome in die dorp mag nie afgekap word nie
[12:08] <mazal> Soos wat jy uitstap onder , so bietjie regs. Die reg voor is jungle , en regs van hulle , al langs die pad is rubber bome
[12:08] <mazal> Ja daai man is streng op sy boom tuine :)
[12:09] <mazal> Hulle is so huge jy het net 1 nodig vir baie hout en rubber
[12:10]  * nuvolari kyk met trane in sy oë hoe maatjies buite mag speel
[12:10]  * mazal ook
[12:11] <bduk> Gaan nou maar ophou julle maak my sleg voel
[12:11] <mazal> lol
[12:12] <mazal> Moet net nie my seders afkap nie :P
[12:12] <mazal> Maak seker jy kap die rubber boom
[12:13] <bduk> Kap nou sommer alles af kry nie die rubber nie
[12:14] <Kilos> mazal, maal a tap vir rubber dan kap jy nie bome aff nie
[12:14] <Kilos> tree tap
[12:17] <mazal> Neewat extractor is baie vinniger
[12:17] <mazal> Het voorheen tap gebruik
[12:17] <mazal> Toe ontdek ek die chainsaw :)
[12:18] <Kilos> hehe
[12:19]  * mazal sien hy gaat nie 'n enkele boom oorhe vanaand nie
[12:19] <mazal> BTW oom Kilos , as jy 'n rubber boom "getap" het , kry daai deel van die boom weer rubber later ? Of bly dan so dood ?
[12:20] <bduk> Toemaar ek los die stompe dan groei hulle weer
[12:20] <Kilos> ja
[12:20] <mazal> Dit werkie , jy moet die saplings plant
[12:20] <Kilos> jy kan elke dag tap
[12:20] <mazal> ^ bduk
[12:21] <mazal> Maar ek moet sê ek het met die eerste paar goete van technic rubber nodig gekry en toe nog nie weer nie
[12:21] <mazal> Kannie onthou dat ek 'n MV ding rubber nodig gehad het nie
[12:32] <bduk> Weet oknie waarvoor ek nou weer rubber gesoek het nie. Wou jou nog se ek het daai reenboog en kat blokke gekry
[12:34] <mazal> Nyan cat , nice !!
[12:40] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[13:53] <Squirm> anyone here worked with mikrotik hotspots?
[14:15] <charl> Squirm: i have
[14:16] <charl> many years ago though (2007)
[14:17] <charl> captive portal with freeradius+mysql backend
[14:17] <Squirm> charl: ah.. I'm just using the hotspot users. It's the built in one. Not even Mikrotik's User-Manager
[14:18] <Squirm> but I have an issue all of a sudden
[14:18] <Squirm> late last week people stopped being able to login
[14:18] <Squirm> I see in the logs now, that most clients are trying to use MAC Authentication, then failing(because I have various means of authentication)
[14:19] <Squirm> it's been working fine for a few months already :/
[14:19] <Squirm> now all of a sudden, most(but not all) are failing at authentication. won't even bring up the http auth page
[14:20] <charl> very strange
[14:20] <charl> is it after a firmware upgrade ?
[14:20] <charl> obvious question, i know, but gotta ask
[14:21] <Squirm> no
[14:21] <Squirm> nothing has been upgraded since it was set u p
[14:21] <charl> and i guess resetting the device also doesn't help ?
[14:21] <charl> sometimes memory buffers can fill up over time
[14:21] <Squirm> tried that many times yesterday and today
[14:22] <Squirm> let me remove mac authentication for a while and see what happens
[14:22] <Squirm> I need it though, but let's see...
[14:27] <nuvolari> o/ I have a question: anyone around with knowledge of AngularJS? If so, further knowledge on angular-codemirror?
[14:28] <Squirm> nuvolari: ssshhh
[14:28] <Squirm> I'm asking the questions
[14:29] <Squirm> just wait your turn :P
[14:29] <Kilos> lol
[14:35] <nuvolari> I doubt I'll get a response :P
[14:35] <nuvolari> so thought I'd throw it out there
[14:38] <charl> :)
[14:38] <charl> yeah that's quite a specific question
[14:38] <charl> but why not ask it anyway
[14:38] <charl> i have a lot of web dev background
[14:39] <charl> others perhaps too
[14:39] <charl> as they say, ask, don't ask to ask :P
[14:43] <nuvolari> charl: I had to narrow it down :P My issue is specifically with the codemirror module. The code area for some reason doesn't update fully and I don't have the proper experience in where to troubleshoot it. It looks like a canvas drawing issue. The same effect as when win 95 got really slow and you could drag about the window and it took a while to update
[14:43] <nuvolari> so when I scroll down the slider, it refreshes correctly
[14:47] <charl> might be some event handling problem
[14:47] <charl> yeah that's a tough one :)
[14:47] <charl> do you have a url demonstrating the problem ?
[14:47] <charl> like on http://jsfiddle.net/ ?
[14:53] <Squirm> charl: what radius server did you use as a backend?
[14:53] <charl> Squirm: freeradius
[14:53] <Squirm> ok
[14:54] <Squirm> I think the issue that I had, is I couldn't get freeradius to work with AD
[14:56] <charl> active directory ?
[14:56] <Squirm> yes
[14:56] <charl> active directory is a mess all-round
[14:56] <charl> it isn't a standard ldap implementation
[14:56] <charl> they based it off ldap but it isn't pure traditional ldap
[14:56] <Squirm> I know
[15:14] <inetpro> elke nou en dan as ek van posisie verander het doen ek weer /tpdrop lava
[15:14] <inetpro> oops... kilos ^^
[15:15] <inetpro> en dan weer /tpset lava
[15:16] <Kilos> haha
[15:45] <theblazehen> http://www.gobolinux.org/?page=at_a_glance worth a look
[17:25] <charl> good evening
[17:28] <Kilos> hi charl 
[17:28] <charl> hi Kilos :)
[17:28] <Kilos> is it evening there too
[17:29] <charl> yeah it's the same time as it is in south africa right now
[17:29] <charl> we're in cest (central european summer time)
[17:30] <Kilos> aha not like england
[17:30] <charl> no we're not island folk
[17:30] <Kilos> lol
[17:30] <charl> we're regular people :)
[17:31] <Kilos> they owned the world for many years and still have a say in most things
[17:31] <charl> in europe the english have mostly isolated themselves in recent years
[17:31] <charl> being anti-EU is not so bad, there are lots of anti-EU people on the continent too
[17:32] <charl> but their persistent island mentality seems to have taken over now
[17:32] <charl> refuse to work with europeans on most grounds, refuse to keep to any of our standards, always doing their own thing
[17:32] <Kilos> they wont stop it  soon they will all come to the table
[17:33] <charl> only electric plug that isn't compatible with the europlug, now they have to use adapters like idiots
[17:33] <Kilos> yip they still have the attitude they had when they were a power
[17:33] <charl> exactly
[17:33] <charl> and i mean, in modern times their economy has pretty-much sunk away in any case
[17:33] <charl> their gdp per capita is way lower than most north/west european countries
[17:33] <Kilos> whew whose isnt
[17:33] <Kilos> only germany i think
[17:34] <charl> the economy in most nordic countries afaik is doing pretty well
[17:34] <Kilos> nordic
[17:34] <charl> in NL we've been in and out of recession over the last number of years but at the moment we have positive growth
[17:34] <Kilos> i should know that
[17:35] <charl> northern european + scandinavian
[17:35] <Kilos> norway
[17:35] <charl> norway, sweden, finland, denmark, netherlands, germany, etc
[17:35] <Kilos> ah
[17:35] <Kilos> ty
[17:35] <bushtech_> charl: By europlug do you mean that 2 pin thing?
[17:35] <gremble> o/
[17:36] <Kilos> eish those 2 pin things are a pain
[17:36] <Kilos> hi bushtech_ 
[17:36] <charl> bushtech_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europlug
[17:36] <charl> fits into all european sockets
[17:36] <bushtech_> Kilos: naand
[17:36] <charl> except british haha
[17:37] <Kilos> ohi superfly 
[17:37] <bushtech_> Yep, also hate those 2 pins, thats why I want to find out if it's the norm
[17:38] <charl> bushtech_: europeans standardise on it because it is the only plug that fits into all of our sockets
[17:38] <charl> bushtech_: most european countries use the german schutskontakt
[17:38] <charl> bushtech_: france and denmark have their own variations of it though, but it's mostly compatible
[17:38] <bushtech_> so. eg, your fridge uses that 2 pin?
[17:38] <charl> italy has a plug that looks a lot like the europlug but it has three pins
[17:38] <charl> nope, fridge uses an earthed connection
[17:39] <charl> and even in europe the earth has never gotten standardised properly
[17:40] <bushtech_> I just find those 2 pins make bad contact
[17:40] <charl> here's a pic of the italian one http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c1/Ita_plug_16A_10A.jpg
[17:40] <Kilos> yip you have to buy the special adapter to get them tyo make decent contact
[17:40] <charl> nah i don't seem to have any problem with the two-pinned ones but they are usually made only for light electronics
[17:41] <charl> even my laptop has a german schutskontakt
[17:41] <Kilos> ya they only good for cell phone chargers
[17:41] <charl> and those are extremely well-fitting, hence the name
[17:41] <bushtech_> yeah, they work ok if they plug into a receptacle with raised walls
[17:42] <bushtech_> otherwise pia
[17:42] <bushtech_> pita
[17:42] <Kilos> hehe
[17:43] <charl> bushtech_: you mean the schutskontakt or the europlug ?
[17:43] <bushtech_> my bitch is with the europlug
[17:44] <charl> ah yeah it's not a very solid plug no
[17:44] <charl> but for light electronics i find it works ok
[17:45] <charl> i'm off ttyl all
[17:45] <Kilos> ok
[17:45] <bushtech_> and we had to go and follow the italians http://www.bdlive.co.za/business/energy/2014/01/28/sa-to-switch-to-new-safer-plugs
[17:46] <bushtech_> Lord help us
[18:56] <ThatGraemeGuy> lo peeps
[18:56] <Kilos> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[19:04] <magespawn> good evening
[19:29] <charl> evening magespawn 
[19:36] <magespawn> hey charl
[22:09] <Kilos> night all. sleep tight