[00:41] any body know how to get ibm thinkpad buttons to work? i have a r40e type 2684 === xk05_ is now known as xk05 === michael__ is now known as Guest16622 [02:58] hello !!! [02:58] someone can speak spanish? [02:58] i need help T.T [03:00] Hello?????? [03:00] Hola?????????? [03:08] Terran_99 #kubuntu-es [03:09] oh thx === em is now known as emma === valorie is now known as valorie_ === valorie_ is now known as valorie [07:07] Hai, im running ubuntu 14.04 with lxqt installed.. i need the kde control center, do any of you know the name of it so i can install it? [07:09] ljunggren: "systemsettings" [07:09] its just that? thank you based tsimpson [07:10] the KDE guys got there first with the name [07:18] do you give help? [11:00] 'Morning folks [11:11] G'morning BluesKaj [11:12] Hi jubo2 [11:14] /howis BluesKaj [11:17] fine, jubo2, and you? [11:19] I'm good thanks [11:19] Gonna see if Kubuntu 14.04.1 will run well on this machine with only 2GB of RAM [11:19] thanks a bunch Sam sung for going "Who'd want to use bigger then 2GB comb?" [11:19] I am downloading it when I get home [11:19] it'd be rather unecological to download gigabytes over HSPA+ [11:21] jubo2, it might be a bit sluggish === LjL is now known as LjL-Away === aboudreault_ is now known as aboudreault [15:51] Hello every body. I amback with my sound problem after migration from 13.10 to 14.04 distribution. Any one that can help me? [15:56] dmoyne: only if you actually describe your problem. Elw how would we know if we can? [15:56] Else even [15:57] ok it seems to be associated with migration because if I install Kubuntu 14.04 for test on my computer from CD, it works [15:58] so can we say that my souncard is not involved in this [15:58] If I do this : [16:00] modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload it reactivates sound which is not acceptable [16:00] can this help you to tell me what is wrong [16:01] dmoyne: Does 'pactl list' list your soundcard as a sink? [16:02] how doI test this [16:02] dmoyne: By running the command in your terminal and making sure your soundcard is listed as a sink ;) [16:04] I get a huge output! [16:04] dmoyne: That's quite correct ;) [16:05] how do I know about sink [16:06] how do I know about sink modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload then the information I give now maybe misleading [16:08] read after doing modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload [16:12] dmoyne: I don't understand anymore :( === toscalix is now known as toscalix_lunch [16:14] I wanted to say that pactl list was executed after doing modprobe snd_hda_intel then sudo alsa force-reload then the result maybe misleading [16:16] dmoyne: Ah yes, please reboot and see if your sound card is listed there as a sink. [16:17] ok I do it [16:24] the ouput of pactl list looks to be the same with or without sound activated; of course now after reboot no sound [16:25] dmoyne: Allright, so Pulseaudio is fine. Hope you didn't reload alsa again. [16:25] nope [16:26] dmoyne: Great, have you installed pavucontrol? [16:28] yes it is installed and I have just done pavucontrol in console [16:28] dmoyne:Do you see the meters jump up and down when you play an audio file? [16:29] can I uste the audio kubuntu settings to make this test [16:29] read use [16:30] dmoyne: Yes, though Amarok or something is easier. [16:30] and how can I use audio file with no sound [16:31] dmoyne: What do you mean? [16:32] forget it with amarok playin radio chanel I have the horizontal layer moving right and left [16:34] if I go to configuration I see no sound card available [16:35] dmoyne: Is it listed under output devices? [16:36] yes in Display I have All Output Devices [16:38] dmoyne: And that meter too jumps up and down? [16:39] in what i see the movement is horizontal with mute on the left side [16:39] dmoyne: And it is not a dummy output I suppose? [16:41] yes because this what I see in mixer of kubuntu setting of course what should not be there [16:41] dmoyne: Is it a dummy output or not? [16:42] it is as I said [16:43] dmoyne: Your answer can be interpreted both ways, hence I asked again... [16:43] no problem you are the leader [16:44] dmoyne: So can you answer my question please? [16:44] this dummy output is the diagnostic [16:46] dmoyne: I was talking about the 'Output Devices' tab of pavucontrol. Is there a dummy output there? [16:48] pavucontrol shows the horizontel bar moving right and left but does not tell me anything about the output used [16:48] hoops it is indicated on to in the left corner === Corey_ is now known as Corey [16:49] read on top [16:51] dmoyne: The output devices tab lists one or more output devices, is the dummy output among them? [16:55] I am seing the output devices tab; at the bottom of the display I see Dispaly with 3 items that are proposed; in there no dummy ouput [16:56] dmoyne: Ok great. Is the output of the applications directed towards the correct output? [16:57] what is selected in Display is All Ouput Devices [16:58] I can choose also Hardware Ouput Devices and Virtual Ouput Devices [17:01] dmoyne: In Display? Where do you see that? [17:02] This is a JComboBox in which I can select the display which is for the time bieng All Output Devices [17:03] dmoyne: JComboBox? [17:04] I am not sure that I am anserwing your question [17:05] the main window has the title Volume Control [17:06] dmoyne: Lets go back to pavucontrol, under the Playback tab is the right output selected for your applications? [17:08] my problem is that I read words in French and translating in English; let me select the English language and reactivate pavucontrol === Lakii^ is now known as Lakii [17:15] In the window I am looking at under tab "output peripherals" : [17:16] dmoyne: We've already confirmed that dummy output ain't there, have we? [17:16] dmoyne: Go to the playback tab and make sure the applications point to the right output device (if you have multiple). [17:17] in the top let cornet an icon "Sortie Factice" (dummy output) [17:19] dmoyne: Could you send a screenshot of that? [17:20] I have5 tabs : I am looking the third one Périphériques de sortie (Output Peripherals) [17:21] dmoyne: I understand that, what I do not understand is that the conclusion has changed... I'd like to see a screenshot ;) [17:21] I can send a scrrenshot but not on the chat can you give your e-mail [17:21] !paste | dmoyne [17:21] dmoyne: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:23] !paste | dmoyne [17:23] dmoyne, please see my private message [17:27] I do not know how to do that [17:28] dmoyne: Open ksnapshot, make a screenshot, save it somewhere and tehn upload it to imgur. [17:28] then* [17:30] I have my screenshot saved then what [17:30] dmoyne: Upload it to imgur. [17:30] !paste | dmoyne [17:30] dmoyne: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [17:30] !screenshots | dmoyne [17:30] dmoyne: Screenshots can be made with the [PrtScr] button. Want to show us a screenshot of your problem? Upload an image to http://imgur.com/ [17:33] can you see my chatwindow.jpeg [17:34] dmoyne: You haven't given me the link to the screenshot. [17:37] how do I find your link [17:38] Ihave to give what my URL [17:38] dmoyne: Did you upload it to imgur? [17:39] as far as I know yesi have my image displayed then what [17:39] dmoyne: Copy the url and paste it here. [17:40] http://imgur.com/mcv36H4 is is what you want [17:42] dmoyne: Hmm, could you pastebin the output of "pactl list" [17:45] it is huge I have a list of 26 modules , then clients and other staff displayed [17:45] what do you mean with pastebin [17:46] dmoyne: sudo apt-get install pastebinit&&pactl list|pastebinit [17:46] I cannot make a screenshot soth of the output in my console [17:48] I have installed pastebin [17:48] dmoyne: Run the command I gave you ;) That will give you a link, paste that link here. [17:49] i have a problem with kubuntu last version and touchscreen,the tablet does not detect second tapping to double-click.I guess i changed some settings ,do you have any idea?thx [17:49] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906793/ [17:50] soory most of it is in french [17:50] dmoyne: At least it agrees with pavucontrol ;) [17:51] and sorry for all this work you do for me [17:51] does that give you some idea [17:52] dmoyne: Can you paste the output of "lspci -k|grep -A2 Audio" in the same way? [17:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906855/ [17:55] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906863/ [17:56] Hmm, interesting. Driver is loaded but PA doesn't want to use it. [17:56] dmoyne: What's the output of 'aplay -l [17:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906879/ [17:58] Ah, PA is not behaving nicely. Could you run "pulseaudio -k&&sleep 1&&pactl list|pastebinit" [17:58] which one are you trying to use, dmoyne [17:58] ? [17:59] lordievader, why are you killing PA before listing stuff? [18:00] nfk: Twofold, I already know what it spews out, and I want to know what it spews out when it is reloaded. Check the backlog ;) [18:00] i don't have any [18:00] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906913/ [18:00] i just arrived trying to find a channel for more technical kubuntu topics [18:01] dmoyne, which output are you trying to use and did you make sure that in pavucontrol it is being used for that particular application? [18:01] dmoyne: Well so much for that. Reloading PA does not fix it. Would it really be ALSA? [18:02] what do you mean pavucontrol is still running [18:02] dmoyne: Could you give the output of "dmesg|grep snd [18:02] dmoyne: Could you give the output of "dmesg|grep snd|pastebinit"* [18:02] lordievader, can you explain which output is causing trouble and if the usual stuff was tried? [18:03] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906941/ [18:03] nfk: ALSA sees the soundcard, PA does not. PA only sees the fallback dummy output. [18:03] soundcard? [18:04] nfk: Yes. [18:04] i only see one integrated into a gigabyte mobo and the video adapter which is radeon so needs support from driver , too, iirc [18:04] dmoyne: Hmm, would the HDMI soundcard interfere with the onboard one... [18:04] *and another integrated [18:05] lordievader, dmoyne, can i have a screenshot of pavucontrol main tab? [18:05] I'd like one of the Configuration tab ;) [18:05] and, to make sure, it's the analogue audio from mobo and not over HDMI that is not working? === inetpro_ is now known as inetpro [18:07] what do you mean thre are 5 tabs selectable [18:07] i want the first [18:08] and i suspect lordievader wants the last [18:08] Correct. [18:08] dmoyne: It's also called "Configuration" in french ;) [18:08] ok [18:10] I told you before in Configuration nothing, it is empty with no sound card available disabled [18:10] oh, and i'd like to see the 3rd tab "output devices" as well [18:11] ok i do it [18:14] http://imgur.com/Bo4WG7V done here [18:15] and that is dummy output? [18:15] nfk: Yes. [18:15] dmoyne: Right, was afraid of that. [18:16] btw, if you want to capture only one window ksnapshot has "window under cursor" mode [18:16] dmoyne: So the only know solution at this time is to force a reload of alsa right? [18:16] ksnapshot is awesome i think [18:16] select that and then make a new screenshot from ksnapshot window and click on the window you want to snapshot [18:17] lordievader, is the cause known [18:17] ? [18:17] yes but I cannot put tha in a Autostart script [18:17] usually this would happen if something hogged the output or if user had misconfigured stuff on their own [18:17] nfk: Not to me. Alsa sees it, PA does not... [18:17] lordievader, was the pulseaudio -v examined? [18:17] dmoyne: Do you happen to havea .asoundrc? [18:18] nfk: Nope. dmoyne Could you do that? [18:18] better ask if he has fiddled with audio output or something [18:18] it should just work out of the box [18:18] why when testing Kubuntu 14.04 from CD sound is installed [18:18] especially if it's not an ancient pulseaudio version [18:19] dmoyne, you mean sound worked with live cd but did not after you installed kubuntu on HDD? [18:19] nfk: He upgraded from Saucy. [18:20] my present distribution results from a migration from 13.10 [18:20] I have 2 computers with the distribution and the same problem [18:21] dmoyne: Have you messed with any pulseaudio or alsa config? [18:21] yes I meant testing Kubuntu 14.04 on same computer from live CD: sound ok [18:22] dmoyne, have you edited pulseaudio or alsa cofiguration on your own? [18:22] Ido not think I have intefred with that but I tried to teinstall everything with same problem [18:24] I do not remember having done so but can we clean setting to make it is clean [18:24] or maybe you're using something unsual like jackd? [18:25] I have jackd installed and I do not know what for [18:25] or maybe changed permimissions, udev rules or user groups? [18:25] I have jackd installed and I do not know what for [18:25] dmoyne: Is jackd running? [18:26] well, technically modern jack and pulseaudio can coexist perfectly, as far as i am aware [18:27] but it could indicate that audio setup has been messed arond with [18:28] let me check for jackd [18:29] actually... i don't see jack support among pulse modules which means pulse could not connect to jack, as far as i can tell [18:29] according to surveillance of system not [18:30] though i don't use PA-Jack in the intended way and only use Jack for connecting MIDI applications [18:30] surveilence? [18:30] do you want me to unistall it [18:30] no [18:30] just try ps aux | grep jack [18:30] jackd could hijack alsa though. And if it does before PA starts it would be an explanation. [18:30] it would not hijack [18:31] It did back when I used it ;) [18:31] pulse would actually intentionally give it the device and then act as jack client by default [18:31] thogh in my setup it's actually jack that acts as pulse client [18:31] there is no proceesus with that name listed [18:32] dmoyne, try pulseaudi -k && pulseaudio -v [18:32] and if does work then copy and paste the huge output to pastebin [18:32] or try to understand on your own what goes own [18:33] i expect it should say something long the lines "device locked, skipping" or something like that when it gets to your sound hardware [18:34] it does work but with no end [18:34] oh, an idea [18:34] lsof /dev/snd/* [18:34] what does that return? [18:34] dmoyne, yes, it will output a lot [18:35] dmoyne, and you can kil lit by clicking Ctrl+C with that terminal active === jubo2 is now known as jubolog2 [18:42] if I add pastebinit and doCtrl+C I do not get a URL for you [18:42] yes, you can't do it that way [18:42] well, you could from another terminal do pulseaudio -k [18:43] that way pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebin would work [18:43] just remember that sometimes after pulseaudio -k the application will be automatically restarted before the pulseaudio -v one is started [18:44] but in that case output of pulseaudio -v will be only few lines instead of a lot [18:45] you mean pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit [18:45] yes [18:46] after CTR+C no URL proposed which is normal [18:46] no, instead in another terminal do pulseudio -k [18:47] it will kill the pulseaudio -v instance [18:47] I am lost here in one terminal pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit [18:48] Ctrl+C kills the pulseaudio -v | pastebinit command as whole [18:48] yes === toscalix_lunch is now known as toscalix [18:51] and in another pulseaudio -k only [18:51] yes after you confirm that pulseaudio -v has printed all the interesting output (about 1 or 2 seconds should be enough) [18:52] and please also post lsof /dev/snd/* | pastebin [18:52] it's short, simple and will provide a good insight as to what is going on [18:52] ok pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio -v | pastebinit in one terminal [18:54] in another pulseaudio -k only but I get a message in first terminal that has stopped like you are trying to send an empty message [18:54] no URL [18:55] argh, just do lsof /dev/snd/* | pastebinit [18:55] to hell with that pulseaudio -v [18:56] idem at the end the message as told above [18:56] no URL [18:57] are you sure pastebinit is the right application? [18:57] what do you mean [18:57] i don't use it myself so i might be wrong on its name [18:57] nfk: What would be wrong with it? [18:58] nfk: It just uploads everything it gets through stdin to paste.ubuntu.com in the default case. [18:58] dmoyne, actually, do you have lsof installed? [18:58] If there is output that is. [18:58] lordievader, not if it's the error stream [18:58] dmesg|grep snd|pastebinit [19:00] forget preceeding message ; no lsof running but might be intalled I check [19:01] it is installed [19:01] lsof will not be running [19:02] it's a program that shows which program has opened the particular file [19:02] do I uninstall [19:02] no [19:03] lsof /dev/snd/* will show what has opened the system files corresponding to your sound abstraction files [19:04] do I run this in terminal [19:05] yes, lsof /dev/snd/* [19:05] done [19:06] well, did it output anything? [19:06] nada [19:08] now try pulseuadio & and then try using an audio application [19:08] you can start the audio application from gui [19:08] like pavucontrol [19:09] and see if it still does sees only dummy/doesn't output anything [19:10] lordievader, could it be that kubuntu has split off alsa module for PA or something [19:11] basically it doesn't seem like anything has taken control of audio devices [19:11] nfk: What do you mean? [19:11] so pulseaudio should be able to take control [19:11] assuming there are devices there [19:11] I have the same screen as before for pavucontrol with dummy ouput on third tab [19:11] getfacl /dev/snd/controlC* | pastebinit [19:11] try that [19:11] nfk: aplay -l does list the devices. [19:12] aplay is ALSA [19:12] pulse would be paplay [19:12] http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907495/ [19:12] nfk: I know, but in my understanding PA rides on top of ALSA. [19:13] and alsa would not appear as having opened the files, basically the kernel alsa is what allows for those device nodes in /dev/snd/ to be created and then applications would use libalsa to use those device nodes [19:17] dmoyne, permissions look correct [19:17] and nothing has opened those files [19:17] in short, it should work [19:17] the only explanation at this point is that your pulseaudio is not able to use those files [19:17] which can only happen with custom configuration or missing modules [19:18] and frankly at this point i do not remember enough about PA to tell which of those cases it is and i really should let anotehr user use the computer for a while [19:18] *another [19:20] actually, maybe i can [19:21] i don't see module-alsa-card in your PA module list [19:21] it's either not loaded or not even present on your system or something [19:22] in case if it's present but not loaded it's likely due to misconfiguration [19:24] dmoyne, lordievader, the system should have /usr/lib64/pulse-4.0/modules/module-alsa-card.so [19:24] best try /usr/lib64/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so [19:25] *best try ls /usr/lib64/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so [19:25] *best try ls /usr/lib/pulse*/modules/module-alsa-card.so [19:25] this will work also on 32 bit systems [19:26] nfk: /usr/lib64 doesn't exist on my Kubuntu partition. The .so files exists though. [19:26] Oehh, fancy Gentoo has PA5 :D [19:27] for a while, i think [19:27] and how do you know it's gentoo? [19:27] hello, I have a fat32 hd with shitloads of lost files in it. do u guys know a software where I can recover those files in kubuntu? [19:27] i have had 5.0 for over a month at least [19:27] nfk: That's what I run ;) [19:27] me too [19:28] i thought i had accidentlly posted my pat with 5.0 [19:28] I have this module installed in usr/lib64/pulse-4.0/modules/ [19:28] er.. .what was i even trying to type there? [19:29] dmoyne, and does that folder really not include module-alsa-card.so? [19:29] this sounds weird [19:29] can any kubuntu user confirm that file is present on their systems? [19:29] nfk: I just did. [19:29] and it is there, right? [19:30] In /usr/lib/pulse-4.0, yes. [19:30] lordievader, can you do something like equery b for kubuntu to find what installed that file for your kubuntu? [19:30] <--- not very apt with debian utilities [19:30] 'dpkg -S /path' [19:31] or http://packages.ubuntu.com [19:31] or !find [19:31] Its from 'pulseaudio' package. [19:32] dmoyne, have you been deleting files? [19:32] I have /usr/lib/pulse-4.0/modules/module-alsa-card.so [19:32] dmoyne, anyway, reinstall pulseaudio [19:32] herp [19:32] then say so [19:32] no need to reinstall pulseaudio then [19:32] dmoyne, then it must be your configuratio [19:32] n [19:32] and it was done by someone who admins your system [19:33] when you update a distribution normaly you delete files [19:33] dmoyne, are you sure pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio & not enough to fix your audio? [19:33] no, you don't delete files [19:34] *is not enough [19:34] okay, letting another person use the system, bb [19:34] ok I do now complete reinstallation of pulsaudio that I already did before [19:34] i said pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio & [19:35] if that does not help, then it must be configuration issue [19:35] * nfk out [19:35] nfk: Thanks for the help :D [19:37] which audio chip dmoyne ? I asked yesterday, but I've forgoten [19:38] pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio & gives me this [1] 8734 [19:38] but does not bring sound back [19:40] but in kubuntu sound setting "Serveur de son PulseAudio" apears which is a good point [19:40] hmmm.... any idea where i have stored an icon theme? it's not in /usr/share/icons and i can't find it anywhere via the search function, however it must be in the right folder as i see it and cen select it in application appeareance in system settings [19:42] its also not in my own home folder/.icons [19:43] what do you mean by audio chip [19:45] do you want me to reinstall pulseaudio now [19:46] BluesKaj: do you mean sound card [19:47] dmoyne, chip listed in alsamixer upper left [19:49] HDA Intel MID / Realtek ALC888 [19:49] found it it was in /.kde/share/icons [19:59] BluesKaj: I think I have reached the end of the discussion with the help of many [19:59] I have sent screenshots and likes to files [20:00] I will com back at the same time tomorrow [20:00] Thanks [20:00] dmoyne, I did explain about the bug with that chip on upgrades [20:01] do you think it is related to the intel sound card [20:02] have you found what mades the bug [20:10] dmoyne, no i haven't , the bug is well known , but seems to be easily solved most of the time === max is now known as Guest96812 [20:23] not in my case except for modprobe snd_hda_intel + sudo alsa force-reload each time after boot [20:23] can this be definely solved with an upgrade [20:25] dmoyne, what are you running atm ? [20:26] BluesKaj: Could you give the bug #? [20:29] lordievader, I think it's this one Bug #1003312 [20:29] bug 1003312 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[M31EI Series, Realtek ID 861] No sound at all from speakers or headphones" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1003312 [20:46] o7 greetz [20:49] need some help with kontact: I have skype installed and can not get it to utilize the call or sms function...is there a different app i can use or can i use the external app funtion in the settings dialogue? any help or hint would be useful === ed is now known as Guest67509 [20:52] dmoyne: Could you see if the solution from the bug report BluesKaj gave us works? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/1003312/comments/5 [20:52] Ubuntu bug 1003312 in alsa-driver (Ubuntu) "[M31EI Series, Realtek ID 861] No sound at all from speakers or headphones" [Undecided,Confirmed] [20:54] I will check this for tomorrow around same time thanks === juboxi is now known as jubo2 [21:03] Hi all, I have a sony vaio duo 11 which is an ultrabook. It does not have any dedicaed graphics card. Just the on board one like most of the ultrabooks these days. For some reason, the chromium and Opera does not obey system resolution. Mine is 1920x1080. Whereas I think chromium and opera both run a much lower resolution. I tried "chromium-browser --disable-gpu". But still it does not solve the issue. Any pointers why this is [21:03] happening. [21:03] I can answer now : no because I do no have" model=generic" in file "/etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf" but I have these 2 lines: [21:04] # Cause optional modules to be loaded above generic modules [21:04] install snd /sbin/modprobe --ignore-install snd $CMDLINE_OPTS && { /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-ioctl32 ; /sbin/modprobe --quiet --use-blacklist snd-seq ; } [21:04] Screenshot is here: http://i.imgur.com/rukkVQD.png [21:04] but I do not think it is what you said [21:06] dmoyne: Not really, was just checking the bug report. That however was for Precise. [21:08] any pointers guys? [21:10] hello, I have a fat32 hd with shitloads of lost files in it. do u guys know a software where I can recover those files in kubuntu? [21:15] trevize: As long as you can mount the HD you should be able to recover the files. [21:16] http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/15761/recover-data-like-a-forensics-expert-using-an-ubuntu-live-cd/ [21:19] so to conclude fot today: nothing really new [21:30] bye [21:40] kamesh, step 1, create HDD (or whatever you meant by HD) image on a good medium, step 2, create a copy of the image, step 3, play around, step 4 if you mess up, just overwrite the bad copy with original image and go to step 3 [21:40] that's how you should be doing it [21:40] in real life you rarely have that much free space so you just do it in-place [21:41] just be-ware to not write anything to that file system [21:41] and in future consider using at least NTFS [21:41] FAT are not journalised and therefore will lose your data without blinking an eye [21:41] then again, a bad fs will do that even with a journal *kicks ext4* === alket_ is now known as alket [21:59] nfk: I did not ask a question about loosing my data. It was trevize. The question that asked which is still unanswerd you can find above [22:00]