[01:10] <robert__> question about updating to 14.04
[01:11] <robert__> its going thru the update process and stops then quits
[01:12] <robert__> it says it fails to connect to one of the servers located at
[01:12] <robert__> W:Failed to fetch  http://archive.canonical.com/dists/percise/partner/source/Sources 404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.92.150 80]
[01:12] <robert__> any ideas on why it cant fetch said files?
[01:12] <robert__> or how to skip that step?
[01:14] <sarnold> ten seconds? that might be a new level of impatience..
[01:30] <nhaines> Next time he should type "precise" more precisely.
[01:30] <sarnold> nhaines: hehehe :)
[01:31] <nhaines> Oh well, hopefully he finds help.  Preferably in an Ubuntu desktop support channel.  :)
[01:33] <sarnold> I hope he noticed the typo and slunk off quietly. hehe.
[01:34] <nhaines> I wouldn't count on it. :)  But I'm tempted to test and see if that's an actual bug.
[01:34] <nhaines> Did they spin out Ubuntu 12.04.5 images?
[01:36] <sarnold> nhaines: not yet
[04:18] <OERIAS> Tizen! Tizen! Tizen!
[05:05] <jorvis> Got on here to read about the possibility of getting Touch on my Galaxy Note Pro 12.2, but it doesn't appear that it's on the target device list.
[06:57] <dholbach> good morning
[07:10] <janimo> dholbach, good morning. I have a packaging related question :)
[07:11] <dholbach> janimo, sure
[07:11] <janimo> dholbach, I had not uploaded a package in a long time so I am not sure what the latest method is to make sure only QAd thngs get in the archives
[07:11] <janimo> do I dput normally and things get automatcallly routed to proposed?
[07:11] <dholbach> yes
[07:12] <dholbach> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ProposedMigration happens after the upload
[07:12] <janimo> dholbach, ok thanks. Let's see if I still have my dput.cf :)
[07:14] <dholbach> janimo, the default should just work
[07:14] <janimo> dholbach, indeed it does. cheers :)
[07:14] <dholbach> :-)
[07:15]  * janimo just did debuild -S -sa and upload, so will wait the reject email to upload properly without orig tarball  :)
[07:15] <janimo> hmm, accepted. ok
[07:16] <OERIAS> Tizen! Tizen! Tizen!
[07:37] <brendand> does anyone know how to get more verbose output from ubuntu-app-launch?
[07:38] <brendand> or where the relevant logs are?
[08:00] <ogra_> pitti, did you see selenes mail on the phone ML = (specifically the last paragraph) ... looks like we somehow try to run the desktop apport on the phone, any idea whats wrong here ?
[08:02] <ogra_> mterry, did you mean lxc-android-config (instead of livecd-rootfs) ? yes, go ahead ...
[08:02] <mterry> ogra_, yes I did...  :-/  Long day yesterday
[08:02] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[08:02] <mterry> ogra_, we don't have a way to truly test the upgrade scenario, do we?  I mean, we both fake-tested it, but just checking
[08:03] <ogra_> no, testing the upgrade is impossible without building our own image ...
[08:03] <ogra_> which takes more work than rolling back in case something is wrong
[08:04] <ogra_> so just go for it :)
[08:04]  * mterry cowboys
[08:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! :-D
[08:26] <Saviq> ogra_, hey, stupid question... do you know/think we could reduce the boot image size? it doesn't fit on flo's recovery partition any more, which means dual booting flo is impossible now
[08:27] <ogra_> how much is it over ?
[08:28] <mandel> Elleo, hello
[08:28] <ogra_> (if it is megabytes i fear there isnt anything we can do )
[08:45] <pitti> ogra_: you mean https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09240.html?
[08:47] <ogra_> pitti, yeah
[08:47] <ogra_> looks like apport tries to fire up the desktop UI
[08:51] <pitti> ogra_: no, that's not what it is, but I know what's up
[08:51] <ogra_> ah, cool
[08:52] <pitti> ogra_: FYI, I fixed bug 1349579 yesterday
[08:52] <ogra_> yay
[08:52] <pitti> ogra_: as bdmurray wants the hooks to run for whoopsie
[08:52] <ogra_> yeah
[08:52] <pitti> ogra_: but the hook assumes that it always has an UI object; it needs to cope with UI being "None" (i. e. noninteractive)
[08:52] <pitti> ogra_: it's just cosmetical (crashing hook will be ignored), but I'll fix it
[08:53] <ogra_> thanks
[09:18] <OPSJono> What are peoples opinion on using Ubuntu Touch on a Nexus 4? - I've been reading up quite a bit the past few days. Always liked Ubuntu. I'm thinking of buying a Nexus 4 just to install Ubuntu Touch.
[09:21] <Elleo> mandel: heta
[09:21] <Elleo> mandel: heya*
[09:24] <OPSJono> Hwy
[09:24] <mandel> Elleo, so, I was up very late last night and I have something for you => https://code.launchpad.net/~mandel/ubuntu-download-manager/content-disposition/+merge/228804
[09:24] <mandel> Elleo, is not 100% RFC complaint but will cover most cases if not all
[09:31] <mandel> Elleo, can you take that for a spin and see if it does fix your issues, for example downloading images from gmail
[09:47] <Elleo> mandel: or alternatively content-hub is unconfined if it takes that as the owner by that stage
[09:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:49] <mandel> Elleo, there is a check if it is unconfined AND passed the destination
[09:49] <mandel> Elleo, here => !metadata().contains(Metadata::LOCAL_PATH_KEY)
[09:49] <Elleo> mandel: ah, so only if the originating app wants to override the destination?
[09:50] <mandel> Elleo, correct, but that is just if the app is unconfined :)
[09:50] <Elleo> mandel: does that play okay with the fact that content-hub changes the destination directory?
[09:51] <Elleo> mandel: that happens after the download is created, but before it's started; but I'm not sure if that's different to the changes made via the metadata
[09:51] <mandel> Elleo, yes because the change of the file name is done on the finish and content-hub must change the destination before the start, you will see that I grap the filaname of the (bad) path and replace it with the one of the content-disposition
[09:52] <Elleo> mandel: okay, great
[09:52] <mandel> Elleo, line 66 of the diff
[09:52] <mandel> Elleo, I also ignore any possible full path that the content-disposition might provide
[09:53] <Elleo> yeah, that's good
[09:55] <janimo> ondra-, rsalveti the adb_usb.ini fix is now in utopic
[10:31] <nik90> MacSlow: ping
[10:31] <MacSlow> nik90, hey Nekhelesh... what's up?
[10:32] <nik90> MacSlow: hey, you work on the snap decisions right?
[10:32] <MacSlow> nik90, yup
[10:32] <nik90> MacSlow: Is it possible it have a snap decision with only 1 button?
[10:32] <MacSlow> nik90, nope
[10:33] <MacSlow> nik90, a "one action" notification is an "interactive notification, where the whole notification-bubble is a button...
[10:33] <nik90> MacSlow: hmm, for our design spec at https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1JvDyhsW17d1-Mz8OY1YMBKwfRI2z9qgyRjbujEsxEMk/edit#slide=id.g18895458d_00, we do not have the snooze function ready for RTM. As a result we want to only show "ok" rather than "Ok" and "Dismiss".
[10:33] <nhaines> nik90: err, were you the one posting new design clock videos?
[10:33] <MacSlow> nik90, e.g. a notification about a incoming SMS uses such an interactive notification... when you tap that it'll bring you to the messaging app
[10:34] <nik90> nhaines: affirmative
[10:34] <nik90> MacSlow: is the implementation easy to change between snap and interactive notification?
[10:34] <nhaines> nik90: I deeply miss the sunrise/sunset feature, but otherwise the new design implementation is beautiful and elegant.
[10:34] <nik90> nhaines: yes I read that in your email. I have already informed the designers about it :)
[10:34] <nhaines> nik90: I know it's hard to take a pretty Photoshop mockup and turn that into code, so I just wanted to thank you (and the others by proxy).  :)
[10:35] <nhaines> Ooh yay.  :)
[10:35] <MacSlow> nik90, there are examples for all types of supported notifiations in lp:unity-notifications/examples... have a look
[10:35] <pitti> ogra_: fixed in trunk, and followed up to the mail
[10:35] <MacSlow> nik90, the change is very simple
[10:35]  * ogra_ hugs pitti 
[10:35] <nik90> nhaines: They have added it to their todo which we will be following up on after rtm
[10:35] <nhaines> That's good to know!
[10:35] <nik90> MacSlow: ah ok..the indicator-datetime is the one which draws these notifications for the clock app. I didnt want to make life harder for charles
[10:36] <nik90> MacSlow: I will see if design allows this change just for rtm.
[10:36] <nik90> MacSlow: thnx
[10:36] <MacSlow> nik90, np yw
[10:36] <nhaines> Frankly, from the last promoted image (was it r133? r137?) to the latest, the OS has made fantastic leaps.  I'm very excited for it.  :)
[10:37] <nik90> nhaines: yeah, it is shaping up quite nicely. olliver was saying we could expect more cool stuff in the dash before rtm in the weekly development videos
[10:39] <nhaines> For a long time now, it's only been apps that have kept me from wanting to use Ubuntu all the time.  :)  The recent updates have really pushed that stunning design I expect from Canonical.
[10:39] <nhaines> The code's been pretty decent for a while now.  So great from the community. :)
[10:40] <mandel> Elleo, here are the debs => https://drive.google.com/a/canonical.com/file/d/0B5OC6S6xvZL_OU5jM3Q1YmVkMmc/edit?usp=sharing
[10:40] <nhaines> I do know that if I spent 15 minutes testing out some new features, when I reboot back into Android I spent the next hour trying to edge swipe.  :)
[10:40] <Elleo> mandel: thanks
[10:40] <mandel> Elleo, js bot seems to be complaining about the symbols yet it should not
[10:40] <Chipaca> Laney: question: do i need to do anything further with https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/just-the-touch-settings/+merge/228317 ?
[10:43] <nik90> nhaines: yeah...I do try the edge swipe unintentionally on android
[10:44] <nhaines> nik90: everyone I demonstrate the edge swipes to, they're always impressed.  :)
[10:45] <nik90> :)
[10:46] <nhaines> Now if we get all of the core apps to take advantage of the bottom edge, I will be selling Ubuntu phones every time I speak.
[10:49] <nik90> nhaines: will happen slowly..the bottom edge hasn't rolled into the SDK yet, so what you see are custom implementations which make it difficult for all app devs to take advantage of
[10:50] <nhaines> nik90: yes, but if Canonical announces that this is the new killer feature, well, then they have to back it up.  :)
[10:50] <nhaines> At least with the core apps.
[10:50] <nik90> +1
[10:51] <nhaines> I bought the T-Mobile G1 sight unseen, 20 minutes after the press release a month before launch.  I'm happy to be an early tester for tech I believe in.  Late 2015, everything will be stunning.
[10:51] <nhaines> But I'm crossing my fingers.  Two months ago, Ubuntu looked a *lot* more primative than it does now.  We'll see how it all turns out.  :)
[10:55] <Laney> Chipaca: you can include it the landing with the consumer if you like
[10:55] <Laney> It goes through ci train
[10:55] <Chipaca> Laney: the 'needs fixing' by jenkins won't block that?
[10:55] <Laney> nope
[10:55] <Chipaca> cool
[10:55] <Chipaca> ok, will do!
[10:56] <Chipaca> Laney: thanks
[11:06] <OPSJono> Hi, is there a Spotify app on ubuntu touch? - or a web app at least?
[11:07] <ogra_> there is a webapp, yeah
[11:08] <nik90> OPSJono, ogra_: actually there is a native app by Elleo. It however requires spotify premium
[11:09] <Elleo> nik90: also, it's rather hampered by lifecycle stuff at the moment, and hasn't been updated in a *ages*
[11:09] <Elleo> if I ever have some free time I might make an unconfined version for people to sideload that talks to powerd or something
[11:09] <OPSJono> Yeah I have spotify premium anyway - I'm going to get a Nexus 4 this weekend and install Ubuntu touch on it. - I just wanted to make sure it had Spotify - so I can ditch my iPhone 5 :) => Thanks!
[11:10] <nik90> Elleo: but dont' we have the media-hub which fixes the lifecycle issues?
[11:10] <nhaines> nik90: only for local files.
[11:10] <nik90> ah
[11:10] <Elleo> nik90: not for spotify unfortunately, we don't have anything we can pass to media-hub from libspotify; to protect all their DRM stuff they just give you a proprietary library that spits out small chunks of raw audio data for the app to render
[11:11] <ogra_> nhaines, media-hub also streams ... but cant authenticate afaik
[11:11] <ogra_> (well, what Elleo said ... )
[11:13] <mandel> Elleo, I have tested that version of udm (the content-disposition one) with image updates and it works correctly, I'll test the click scope and the app updates. At that point is a matter of you letting me know if it does the trick with the browser downloads
[11:14] <OPSJono> Elleo: So does the native spottily app work (functionally, offline playlists etc.. with premium) And by "hampered by lifecycle stuff" do you mean just the spottily app, or the entirety of Ubuntu Touch?
[11:16] <Elleo> OPSJono: not sure if it works on the latest images, haven't tried it in a while; but the life cycle issue for spotify is that it gets suspended when you switch apps or the phone goes to sleep, so it's not much use at the moment
[11:16] <OPSJono> Elleo: Ahh, thanks for the clarification - I'll be giving it a test either at the weekend or at some point during next week
[11:17] <Elleo> OPSJono: okay, if you run into problems let me know; I really need to update the UT version to include a bunch of bug fixes I made on sailfish, but I've been a bit swamped recently
[11:17] <Elleo> mandel: okay, will give it a test in a minute, just setting some other stuff compiling
[11:18] <OPSJono> Elleo: Will do! Cheers :)
[11:26] <popey> Elleo: i would love an unconfined version of your app... :D
[11:29] <Elleo> mandel: not getting filenames based on the content-disposition in my tests; both gmail and this simple example don't seem to work: http://mikeasoft.com/~mike/contentdisposition
[11:30] <Elleo> popey: yeah, it's been something I've been meaning to put together for ages; need to dig into the powerd stuff though
[11:32] <mandel> Elleo, can you pass me the logs from udm?
[11:32] <Elleo> mandel: sure, just a sec
[11:33] <Elleo> mandel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7904024/
[11:37] <piiramar> mandel: When receiving an MMS with a picture attached, is it expected to see an "Unknown Download" in the Transfers view? I can spot several problems related to that ...
[11:37] <mandel> Elleo, let me build another version with better logging
[11:37] <Elleo> mandel: okay
[11:39] <piiramar> mandel: 1. that "unknown download" line confuses the user 2. I have seen weird download percentages, just like bug 1348162 for email attachments 3. when pausing and resuming the download, nuntium is not happy (have even seen it panic once)
[11:39] <mandel> piiramar, hmm weird, but I can't look at it right now
[11:40] <piiramar> mandel: ok, nothing urgent, I'll report a bug so I don't forget it myself ;-)
[11:40] <mandel> piiramar, please do, should be an easy fix
[11:50] <piiramar> mandel: reported as bug 1350307
[11:50] <mandel> thx
[12:06] <pete-woods> jdstrand: hey. just wanted to ask about this scope cache directory thing
[12:07] <pete-woods> am I right in understanding that we're going to modify the security profile to allow scopes to create their cache directory in ~/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/… ?
[12:07] <pete-woods> or have I got the wrong end of the stick there?
[12:07] <jdstrand> pete-woods: hey, scopes can already create ~/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/<scope dir>
[12:07] <pete-woods> oh
[12:07] <jdstrand> pete-woods: what they can't create is ~/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/
[12:08] <jdstrand> (and we don't want them to be able to do so)
[12:08] <pete-woods> jdstrand: just because I tried: aa-exec -p com.ubuntu.vimeo_vimeo_1.0.0 mkdir -- ~/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/com.ubuntu.vimeo/
[12:08] <pete-woods> and got mkdir: cannot create directory ‘/home/pete/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/com.ubuntu.vimeo/’: Permission denied
[12:09] <pete-woods> (and the leaf-net dir already exists)
[12:10] <jdstrand> pete-woods: can you paste /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.vimeo_vimeo_1.0.0
[12:11] <pete-woods> jdstrand: sure
[12:11] <jdstrand> pete-woods: also, what is the output of 'ls -ld /home/pete/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/'
[12:11] <pete-woods> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7904303/
[12:12] <pete-woods> pete@pete:~/src/unity-scope-vimeo/trunk$ ls -ld /home/pete/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/
[12:12] <pete-woods> drwxrwxr-x 2 pete pete 4096 Jul 30 13:00 /home/pete/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/
[12:13] <jdstrand> pete-woods: what is the output of 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog' at the time of the denial?
[12:14] <pete-woods> jdstrand: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7904318/
[12:14]  * pete-woods no idea what mask c is
[12:15] <jdstrand> create
[12:15] <jdstrand> you need 'w' for that
[12:15] <pete-woods> ah, obvious when you think about it
[12:16] <jdstrand> did you change the profile and forget to load it into the kernel?
[12:17] <pete-woods> jdstrand: I have no idea even how to load it into the kernel
[12:17] <pete-woods> this is all being done by click
[12:17] <pete-woods> jdstrand: everything else about the profile seems to work
[12:17] <pete-woods> e.g. actually connecting to the scope server
[12:18] <popey> ogra_: where should kernel PM suspend type bugs go?
[12:18] <jdstrand> pete-woods: let me try it here
[12:18] <ogra_> popey, hmm, either the kernel itself, android or upower
[12:18] <pete-woods> jdstrand: you want the click package?
[12:18] <popey> hmm
[12:18] <ogra_> popey, whats the issue ?
[12:18] <jdstrand> pete-woods: (incidentally, sudo apparmor_parser -r /path/to/profile)
[12:18] <popey> ogra_: bug 1342351
[12:19] <jdstrand> pete-woods: not yet
[12:19] <popey> multi-second delay between one track and the next
[12:19] <popey> I see a lot of kernel spam in syslog related to pm suspend stuff
[12:19] <ogra_> popey, yeah, i noticed that too ... i thought i had ripped my CDs wrongly :P
[12:19] <popey> looks less like a music app bug, and more some problem with suspend / wakelocks
[12:19] <popey> heh
[12:19] <popey> good.
[12:19] <ogra_> popey, start with media-hub
[12:19] <popey> kk
[12:19] <popey> thanks
[12:20] <ogra_> (most likely not it but that should give us the right path to track it to the right thing )
[12:20] <pete-woods> jdstrand: Warning from /var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.vimeo_vimeo_1.0.0 (/var/lib/apparmor/profiles/click_com.ubuntu.vimeo_vimeo_1.0.0 line 113): Character - was quoted unnecessarily, dropped preceding quote ('\') character
[12:21] <jdstrand> pete-woods: oh duh
[12:21] <pitti> jdstrand: suspend bugs belong to the running kernel (i. e. the android one on touch, "linux" on desktop)
[12:21] <jdstrand> owner @{HOME}/.local/share/unity-scopes/leaf-net/@{APP_PKGNAME}/   r,
[12:21] <jdstrand> pete-woods: there is no 'w' on the directory! :)
[12:21] <jdstrand> pitti: ??
[12:21] <pitti> jdstrand: on the desktop we can apply quirks to pm-utils if necessary, but this has long been obsolete, and shouldn't count as primary way of fixing them
[12:21] <pitti> jdstrand: erk, sorry, mis-read scrollback
[12:22] <jdstrand> I don't know what you are talking about :)
[12:22] <pitti> popey: ^ answer about suspend bugs
[12:22] <jdstrand> hehe
[12:22] <popey> pitti: i dont actually know if it's a suspend issue, just seeing a lot of suspend spam in syslog
[12:22] <pete-woods> jdstrand: does this mean you can easily roll out a fix to the template? :)
[12:22] <jdstrand> pete-woods: I'll fix it today
[12:22] <jdstrand> pete-woods: yes, it is a simple bug. sorry
[12:23] <pete-woods> jdstrand: woot! you'll make a lot of people happy
[12:23]  * cwayne will be happy
[12:23] <pete-woods> jdstrand: it's the trouble with declarative programming, writing tests for it is hard
[12:24] <pete-woods> I guess you'd need a test that you ran under a easyprof generated scope profile, that tried to mkdir ~/.local/.....
[12:24] <jdstrand> we have those kinds of tests
[12:24] <jdstrand> but not for every rule in a profile
[12:24] <jdstrand> I can add it to make sure it doesn't regress
[12:25] <pete-woods> well that's up to you, as it's your codebase
[12:27] <pete-woods> just glad you spotted it :)
[12:54] <derek-g> any news on when ubuntu phone comes out? Is it more closer to fall or winter?
[12:54] <popey> derek-g: asking every day doesn't make it happen faster
[12:54] <popey> ☻
[12:54] <ogra_> soon
[12:55] <ogra_> :)
[12:55] <derek-g> popey, im still gonna
[12:55] <popey> dammit
[12:55] <ogra_> lol
[12:55] <popey> there, that'll do.
[12:56] <popey> if we release it too early, this might happen:- http://gifmg.com/i/i6d140f07cOFWGm
[12:56] <ogra_> derek-g, you know the general ubuntu rule for such questions, right ?
[12:56] <ogra_> every time someone asks it gets delayed by 1h
[12:58] <derek-g> popey, that seems like a near-success?:)
[12:58] <popey> heh
[13:13] <dpm> Saviq, would you know where I could file a bug for the name of the app not being localized in its splash screen?
[13:15] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, any news on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/android/+bug/1316978 ?
[13:15] <Saviq> dpm, that'd be unity8, Gerry is working on that
[13:15] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, I'm getting another round of reminders that space is tight by our testers. When things get very tight, I believe we're still borked by this bug
[13:15] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, still on my list, no worries ... i was busy with dev-mode and now i'm looking at other HW stuff ... i'll definitely come back to it
[13:16] <ogra_> it is one of my highest prio tasks on my TODO
[13:16] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, noted. I'll send people your way :-)
[13:16] <ogra_> do that ;)
[13:17] <ogra_> john-mcaleely, if the HW i'm looking at atm wouldnt miss *all the work we did for mako over the last months* .... it woulld surely be easier :P
[13:18] <john-mcaleely> ogra_, I'm sure
[13:18] <ogra_> :)
[13:21] <dobey> mardy: hi. did you get my e-mail?
[13:53] <dpm> thanks Saviq
[13:55] <barry> mandel: hi.  just checking to see if you made any progress on LP: #1341685 ?
[13:56] <mandel> barry, sorry I had to focus on the position service and will be back to udm asap
[13:56] <mandel> barry, atm I have to make choices.. :-/
[13:58] <barry> mandel: ack.  so far, i'm hoping that this only affects the tests, but now that i think s-i 2.3.1 is in a promoted image, i'll keep an eye out to see if it affects anyone in the real world.  my guess is that it won't at least until the *next* promoted image (so there's something to upgrade to).  still, in all my physical testing, i didn't run into it, so again, i hope it's just affecting the test suite.
[14:00] <z3r0> help pls
[14:01] <z3r0> it possible to install ubuntu touch on hp slate 7 tablet
[14:01] <k1l_> see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install if someone from the community did that already: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install
[14:04] <mandel> barry, I'll do my best to keep an eye
[14:05] <mpt> Chipaca, if an app triggers a notification of type vibration and nothing else, how can you tell what app it was?
[14:05] <z3r0> kll: my tablet can't recognize, i'm using 14.04
[14:06] <Chipaca> mpt: if the app is relying solely on vibration, presumably it's using vibration patterns that are easily recognisable
[14:07] <z3r0> i'll use adb devices to see what devices are connected
[14:17] <mpt> Chipaca, same for sound, I guess
[14:17] <Chipaca> mpt: pretty much, yes
[14:18] <Chipaca> mpt: on android there's an app that you know without looking at your phone that it's a message from it, because it uses a single short vibration and sound that is quite effective at that
[14:18] <Chipaca> fwiw
[14:21] <mandel> Elleo, issue fixed, I screwed up a small check
[14:21] <Elleo> mandel: ah, cool
[14:22] <mandel> Elleo, who else can we ping to test it? the media people were interested, right?
[14:22] <mandel> bfiller, ^^
[14:23] <bfiller> mandel: thanks, this is the filename thing for downloads right? ahayzen and the music-app guys would be interested in testing
[14:24] <daker> nik90: yo
[14:24] <mandel> bfiller, correct, is the content-disposition fix
[14:24] <mandel> bfiller, would be nice to test it and if everything works in most cases we should be ok to go
[14:25] <mpt> Chipaca, but still a use case for the notification settings will be “something is making my phone vibrate and I don’t know what it is”
[14:25] <daker> nik90: i am not sure why the the system time & the clock time are different
[14:25] <Elleo> mandel: do you have some debs I could play with? I can check with the gmail app at least
[14:25] <mandel> Elleo, I'm building a package for you to confirm it works (It did work with your webs test file)
[14:25] <Elleo> mandel: ah great, thanks :)
[14:26] <Chipaca> mpt: hmm... possibly? Or "why am i not getting notifications for X" i guess, too.
[14:26] <mpt> Chipaca, yeah, it needs to cover both, which is the awkward things
[14:27] <mpt> *thing. I.e. allow sorting by app (“what can app X do?”) and by type (at least for “what can make sounds?” and “what can make vibrations?”)
[14:27] <daker> any date indicator dev here ?
[14:28] <pmcgowan> daker, charles but he is away
[14:29] <daker> pmcgowan: ok, because i am seeing an issue with the time on differente side(indicator, clock, u-s-s and greeter)
[14:34] <mpt> Chipaca, since time is short, maybe for this version we should let every app have Launcher badges, and have the single list with one switch per app covering everything else
[14:34] <mpt> Chipaca, then for the next version we can control individual things for individual apps
[14:35] <charles> daker, ping
[14:35] <charles> daker, what's the time issue you're seeing?
[14:36] <daker> charles: hi, let me explain
[14:37] <daker> charles: yesterday their was a major issue with time, where they changed the time on GSM network from GMT to GMT+1(DST) by mistake
[14:38] <daker> charles: now the clock & the u-s-s shows the correct time(with GMT+1) but the time indicator & the greeter still shows the GMT time
[14:38] <Chipaca> mpt: you know launcher badges only appear if the app launcher is on there, yes?
[14:38] <mpt> Chipaca, on where?
[14:40] <Chipaca> mpt: when you say "launcher badges" you mean the counter on an emblem on the launcher?
[14:40] <charles> daker, hmm
[14:40] <Chipaca> mpt: that's the only thing we have that matches "launcher badges" even closely :)
[14:40] <mpt> Chipaca, oh cripes, do we still have that silliness where apps don’t have badges inside the Dash?
[14:40] <daker> charles: screenshot coming
[14:40] <charles> daker, does the indicator time keep updating every minute, but just shows the time 1 hour off from what it should be?
[14:40] <daker> charles: yes
[14:40] <Chipaca> mpt: yes, yes we do. And the only badges on the launcher itself are ones with counters.
[14:41] <mpt> @#%!
[14:41] <meetingology> mpt: Error: "#%!" is not a valid command.
[14:41] <mpt> meetingology, no, it’s a sign of exasperation
[14:41] <meetingology> mpt: Error: "no," is not a valid command.
[14:41] <charles> daker, crazy. yes, that would be a bug for me
[14:41] <charles> daker, could you file a ticket in launchpad with the info, so that it can get tracked?
[14:42] <Chipaca> mpt: sorry :-(
[14:43] <mpt> It’s almost as if the Launcher and the Dash are implemented using different toolkits…
[14:43] <daker> charles: http://i.imgur.com/3gJox5k.png
[14:43] <charles> daker, thank you
[14:44] <daker> charles: u-s-s & clock 15:42 & indicator & greeter 14:42
[14:44] <nik90> daker: and which one is the correct time?
[14:44] <nik90> daker: 15:42 or 14:42?
[14:44] <mpt> Chipaca, anyway, all the more reason for the settings not to claim to control badges, if the badges don’t work most of the time anyway
[14:45] <daker> u-s-s & clock are correct if we count the TZ change(which was a mistake by the operator)
[14:46] <charles> daker, how can I reproduce this bug? Is there a way for the phone user to trigger this too?
[14:47] <dobey> charles: hey. so indicator doesn't show the alarm, but it totally went off this morning anyway. but i left that phone in my office, so i didn't get up to turn it off, and it just kept going for like 30 minutes straight or something.
[14:47] <daker> charles: i am not sure, but this happen when the operator changed the timezone over the GSM network
[14:48] <daker> charles: phablet@ubuntu-phablet:~$ date
[14:48] <daker> mercredi 30 juillet 2014, 15:48:08 (UTC+0100)
[14:48] <charles> dobey, that's even stranger... that means indicator-datetime is aware of the alarm, but it's not getting shown for some reason
[14:49] <charles> dobey, any privacy issues with mailing me your tasks.ics?
[14:49] <charles> daker: if you cat the contents of /etc/timezone, which does it show -- the one being used by indicator and greeter, or the one shown by u-s-s and clock?
[14:50] <kenvandine> seb128, can you give a final approval to https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/api_v1/+merge/227948
[14:51] <daker> charles: yes it says Africa/Casablanca
[14:52] <nik90> daker: can you give me the name of a big city where you live, I want to try with the new clock app
[14:52] <daker> charles: Casablanca
[14:52] <daker> nik90: for you
[14:52] <nik90> daker: with the new clock app it reads 14:52
[14:53] <nik90> daker: google also shows 14:52
[14:53] <seb128> kenvandine, done
[14:53] <kenvandine> seb128, thx
[14:53] <daker> nik90: yes it's correct if we don't count the TZ changed made by mistake by the operator
[14:53] <kenvandine> i'll prepare branches for the 3 rdepends to land with it
[14:54] <nik90> daker: can you restart your phone and check if u-s-s still shows 15:42 instead of 14:42?
[14:54] <dobey> charles: no, the only thing in it is that one alarm, i can even pastebin it
[14:55] <daker> nik90: the issue is that after this mistake u-s-s & clock shows the time with TZ change while the time-indicator & the greeter still shows the time without the TZ change, so something is wrong somewhere
[14:55] <daker> nik90: http://i.imgur.com/3gJox5k.png
[14:56] <charles> dobey, if you go into phablet-shell and "restart indicator-datetime", does the alarm show up?
[14:56] <nik90> daker: yeah I saw
[14:56] <dobey> charles: nope (and i installed a newer image this morning, so it rebooted since)
[14:57] <charles> dobey, cool, so the silver lining is we have a good test case there
[14:57] <dobey> charles: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7905538/
[14:57] <charles> dobey, yes please pastebin it and I'll test here
[14:57] <daker> nik90: i'll try to reboot
[14:58] <nik90> daker: ok. let see if that changes things
[14:58] <charles> dobey, this is the n5 problem you were mentioning before, right? Is this showing the same behavior of the menuitem shows up on the n4 but not on the n5?
[14:58] <dobey> charles: yes. the alarm doesn't show up in the indicator menu, and the clock icon doesn't show up on the top panel, on the n5
[14:59] <kenvandine> seb128, although i guess they can land anytime, since it still has the provides
[14:59] <kenvandine> i won't bother trying to squeeze them all into the same silo
[15:00] <daker> nik90: same thing :)
[15:02] <nik90> daker: hmm :/
[15:02] <daker> charles: the operation is called NITZ, right ?
[15:02] <nik90> daker: can you install clock reboot from the ubuntu touch stores and find out what time it is showing
[15:03] <nik90> if it is not too much hasse
[15:03] <nik90> hassle*
[15:03] <daker> nik90: same time GMT+1 (16:03)
[15:04] <daker> nik90: well u-s-s & both clock apps display the correct time(with the TZ changed which is GMT+1)
[15:05] <seb128> kenvandine, do you have versionned depends in the rdepends?
[15:05] <kenvandine> nope
[15:05] <kenvandine> just for the old package name
[15:06] <brendand> cjwatson, there's a couple of click QA issues that need to be taken care of if you have the time. neither of them urgent though
[15:06] <daker> nik90: with the correct time i mean it count the TZ change, even if the time is not correct
[15:06] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/unity-webapps-qml/content1/+merge/228874
[15:06] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/address-book-app/content1/+merge/228873
[15:06] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/content1/+merge/228872
[15:06] <seb128> ralsina, hey
[15:06] <brendand> cjwatson, first is i'd like to get the test plan finalised, but there's a todo left in it, which needs to be addressed
[15:06] <kenvandine> seb128, if you want to give them an ack :)
[15:07] <ralsina> hello seb128
[15:07]  * nik90 is confused :P
[15:07] <seb128> ralsina, to see comments from previous revision on the mr, you can select the rev in the combo box
[15:07] <ralsina> seb128: ok, that makes sense :-)
[15:07] <brendand> cjwatson, second is that coverage seems to have dropped a few points. do you know why? was there a chunk of code landed without unit tests?
[15:07] <cjwatson> not afaik
[15:08] <cjwatson> brendand: my concern about the test plan stuff in the last QA report I read was that it included the idea that we should be "improving manual test coverage" or some such
[15:08] <cjwatson> which I fundamentally disagree with, the manual test plan should be as short as possible :)
[15:08] <seb128> kenvandine, k, approved what I could (I don't have rights on the first one)
[15:08] <kenvandine> ok
[15:08] <kenvandine> i'm not going to put them all in the same silo though, that could end up taking ages :)
[15:09] <cjwatson> brendand: I don't see the drop in the coverage graph on https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/click-devel-utopic-amd64-ci/ - where are you seeing it?
[15:10] <cjwatson> brendand: in fact the very last commit on lp:click/devel is that one to improve unit tests - we haven't landed anything for a while
[15:10] <brendand> cjwatson, the coverage dashboard is really confusing. here's a build exhibiting the lower figure: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/click-utopic-amd64-ci/10/?
[15:10] <cjwatson> oh, no, there's one more I missed, but it has test coverage
[15:11] <cjwatson> brendand: that's on lp:click, we haven't landed the improved tests from lp:click/devel on lp:click yet
[15:11] <cjwatson> they'll be in the next landing, whenever we organise that
[15:12] <brendand> cjwatson, ah. i think the coverage dashboard might be pulling from both. i'll check that out
[15:12] <brendand> cjwatson, as for the testplan, if i did say such a thing then i must have been drunk/high at the time
[15:13] <brendand> cjwatson, TODO: click-update-manager tests
[15:13] <brendand> cjwatson, that's what i was referring to
[15:13] <cjwatson> ah, perhaps I misunderstood
[15:13] <brendand> cjwatson, if the resolution to that todo is to automate those tests then all the better
[15:13] <cjwatson> I've been meaning to chase that down - I think I wrote that, but IIRC click-update-manager is either gone or is going away
[15:14] <brendand> cjwatson, if it's to remove it then as long as that's justified then not a problem
[15:14] <charles> nik90, do you have time to test the indicator-datetime in silo 6 to see if that resolves the "stutter" issue for you?
[15:14] <nik90> charles: oh yes definitely. will do so
[15:14] <charles> nik90, like I said in the ticket, I never get the stutter behavior so I think your tests would be more useful
[15:15] <charles> nik90, https://launchpad.net/~ci-train-ppa-service/+archive/ubuntu/landing-006/+packages
[15:15] <charles> nik90, ty
[15:16] <charles> dobey, I got lost in another channel, did you pastebin the tasks.ics? And, you're saying that this same tasks.ics would work on the n4 but not the n5?
[15:16] <nik90> charles: when do you need this by?
[15:16] <charles> nik90, today would be good :)
[15:16] <nik90> charles: alrite, give me an hour or so
[15:16] <daker> charles mterry bug 1350401
[15:17] <cjwatson> brendand: ok, updated the wiki page in light of http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.utopic/revision/169, although I think this just moves the problem around
[15:18] <cjwatson> brendand: however hopefully it moves the problem to a responsive set of people :)
[15:19] <popey> anyone know what package the 7digital scope lives in?
[15:19] <popey> I need to file a bug
[15:21] <cwayne> popey: lp:ubuntu-rest-scopes
[15:21] <cwayne> its not really on the phone itself
[15:21] <popey> ta
[15:35] <nik90> rsalveti: how long does it take for a n4 to go deep sleep (while not connected to the power socket)?
[15:36] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, jgdx: https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/anchorkeyboard/+merge/228886
[15:36] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, so I take it that worked
[15:36] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, jgdx: that doesn't break anything i can find in settings, maybe it'll fix your issues in apneditor
[15:37] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, I think he needed it for sim names
[15:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, i assume you were seeing it in the sim labels?
[15:37] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:38] <kenvandine> i wasn't able to reproduce the problems in the existing inputs
[15:39] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, and setting it didn't seem to introduce any problems, so i think it's safe
[15:39] <pmcgowan> great
[15:47] <jgdx> kenvandine, indeed, thanks
[15:47] <Chipaca> mpt: should I still expect something from you today?
[15:47] <Chipaca> mpt: (asking as i approach nominal eod given i'm 1h to the east of you right now)
[15:49] <mpt> Chipaca, yes, here’s the text: “Selected apps can alert you using notification bubbles, sounds, vibrations, and the Notification Center.”
[15:49] <mpt> Chipaca, and then we’ll have more fine-grained settings for the next version. How does that look?
[15:49] <Chipaca> mpt: and the toggles turn off all of that?
[15:49] <mpt> Chipaca, unless you have time to implement the more fine-grained settings right now…
[15:50] <Chipaca> mpt: that depends on how much ui work is involved :)
[15:50] <kenvandine> jgdx, np, let me know if it fixes your issue
[15:51] <jgdx> kenvandine, I tried it in my (blocked) sim name editor branch. It fixes it so that you easily can scroll to whatever's hidden by OSK.
[15:51] <kenvandine> jgdx, sweet!
[15:52] <nik90> charles: Initially testing shows no alarm sound stutter :D. I have set one last final alarm to ring in about 2 hrs. Hopefully by then my phone is in good sleep to see if we put that issue to rest for sure.
[15:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, if this is a new thing, then messaging app should be told. IIUC they have built a workaround using a KeyboardRectangle component.
[15:52] <nik90> charles: and the phone screen lights up like a charm
[15:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, that was an old hack i think, which was duplicated in several places
[15:54] <kenvandine> could probably be removed now with anchorToKeyboard
[15:54] <jgdx> kenvandine, seems so. I tried both and they gave the same result.
[15:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, what does the flickable prop on mainwindow do?
[15:55] <kenvandine> i think it tells it which flickable to use for hiding/showing header
[16:01] <dobey> charles: 10:55 < dobey> charles: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7905538/
[16:01] <rsalveti> janimo: thanks for pushing the adb usb ini fix
[16:01] <rsalveti> nik90: that depends if you have sim card (gsm network) or not
[16:02] <rsalveti> with gsm enabled, it might take a few seconds or minutes
[16:02] <mpt> Chipaca, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Notification?action=diff&rev2=4&rev1=3
[16:02] <dobey> charles: i don't know if that exact tasks.ics works on the n4. i created an alarm on the n4, for the exact same time, with the exact same recurrence settings, and it showed up in the indicator on the n4
[16:02] <rsalveti> wifi also holds it back for a few as well
[16:02] <nik90> rsalveti: I do have a sim card and make calls using it.
[16:02] <nik90> rsalveti: ok. I will wait for 30 mins just to make sure
[16:02] <nik90> rsalveti: thnx
[16:02] <rsalveti> sure, np
[16:03] <rsalveti> but there's a bug in the android code that we can't do much unfortunately (the way it holds up the wakelock internally)
[16:03] <Chipaca> mpt: it's not true that "by default, every app should be able to issue notifications"
[16:03] <mpt> Chipaca, why not?
[16:03] <Chipaca> mpt: an app needs to do some legwork before it can do notifications, and we can detect them by those that have done that legwork
[16:03] <mpt> Chipaca, what is legwork in this context?
[16:04] <Chipaca> mpt: in particular, they need to have a "push helper", something that translates push messages into notifications, declared in their manifest
[16:04] <nik90> charles: ping
[16:05] <Chipaca> mpt: the only bit can show notifications without that is emblem counters (because they are weird)
[16:05] <mpt> Chipaca, so would it be more accurate to change “should be able to” to “should have permission to”?
[16:05] <Chipaca> mpt: not sure i follow
[16:06] <mpt> Chipaca, as in, “By default, every app should have permission to issue notifications”
[16:06] <Chipaca> mpt: I read that as relating to apparmor (and it's false in that context), but maybe you mean something else
[16:06] <mpt> Chipaca, what I’m trying to express is that when you install an app that uses notifications, it should be able to issue them without you ever going into this screen.
[16:07] <Chipaca> mpt: correct. yes.
[16:07] <Chipaca> mpt: notifications are opt-out
[16:07] <mpt> right
[16:07] <Chipaca> and if the app is done right, you shouldn't usually need to see the screen at all
[16:07] <mhall119> pmcgowan: enabling spell checking or suggestions on the phone makes "search as you type" features like the Dash unusable, is there a plan to fix that?
[16:07] <Chipaca> but that's hard :)
[16:09] <mpt> Chipaca, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Notification?action=diff&rev2=5&rev1=4
[16:11] <Chipaca> mpt: it still says it should list "all apps", when we can prune that to "all apps that have a push helper" without loss of generality i think
[16:11] <Chipaca> genericity?
[16:12] <mpt> ugh
[16:12] <mpt> So, for apps that don’t have a push helper, do we omit them from the list, thereby causing people to scour the list for them, and be unsure whether they ever send notifications…
[16:12] <mpt> …or do we include them with a switch that’s off and can’t be turned on
[16:14] <Chipaca> mpt: isn't the list going to be needlessly long if we list everything?
[16:15] <dobey> mpt: do apps have to get some push event from a server to have notifications? what about background apps, once that bit is enabled in the system? one might want to turn off notifications for those apps too, no?
[16:15] <Chipaca> mpt: but I do see your point
[16:15] <Chipaca> dobey: i don't think the background state of an app affects what we're trying to do
[16:15] <Chipaca> dobey: and i didn't understand your first question :)
[16:16] <dobey> Chipaca: well, non-background apps can't pop notifications themselves; and popping a notification if the app is in the foreground would be really crappy for an app to do
[16:16] <Chipaca> dobey: what is "popping a notification"?
[16:17] <Chipaca> dobey: showing a notification bubble?
[16:17] <dobey> Chipaca: but if i have a backgrounded app, and it's doing somehthing and i want to pop a notification to the user, do i still have to do it via the push notifications server?
[16:17] <dobey> Chipaca: or sound, or vibration, yes
[16:17] <Chipaca> dobey: right. so.
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: if you have an app running in the background (because it's unconfined, say), it can talk to the Postal Service API to post notifications on its behalf
[16:18] <Chipaca> dobey: it needs the right permissions of course, and it needs a push helper
[16:18] <dobey> i'm not talking about unconfined. i'm talking about confined apps that are in the background
[16:18] <Chipaca> so in that way it's indistinguishable from an app that can do the full push notifications dance
[16:19] <dobey> huh
[16:19] <Chipaca> dobey: however
[16:19] <Chipaca> dobey: if an app is in the foreground, it can not post notifications
[16:19] <Chipaca> that is, requests to post notifications by foreground apps are dropped on the floor
[16:19] <dobey> it seems weird to me to require an app have another process to be able to just say "show a notification"
[16:20] <seb128> ralsina, so, I can't find your inline comment attached to any revision, and I didn't get those by email ... are you sure you saved them?
[16:20] <Chipaca> dobey: ok
[16:20] <dobey> anyway
[16:20] <Chipaca> dobey: it is a bit weird, and if it turns out to be a common use case we'll probably improve on that
[16:21] <Chipaca> dobey: however
[16:21] <Chipaca> dobey: for now, this is what there is
[16:21] <dobey> right. i was asking for claification in terms of the UI you're discussing
[16:21] <Chipaca> dobey: (and it's this way because the other use case for that endpoint is when an app that *isn't* you posts a message to you, so of course you want to go via the helper for that)
[16:22] <dobey> i guess the only thing that can show notifications without a push helper currently, is the sms/dialer stuff
[16:22] <Chipaca> the way we were deciding what list of apps to show in that interface was "get everything that has a helper", because that is the list of apps that can show a notification
[16:23] <Chipaca> dobey: yes, those don't use the postal service at all
[16:23] <dobey> yeah, they're special cases that shouldn't be disabled anyway
[16:23] <Chipaca> mpt: dunno if we've lost you with all this developer banter
[16:24] <ralsina> seb128: I am pretty sure, yes. In any case, except for the QML change, I followed your suggestions. I did defer to chipaca for the hardcoded directory and for the name of the gsettings schema
[16:24] <seb128> ralsina, what about the qml change?
[16:24] <dobey> if a helper is required, then only showing apps which have the helper in that list, makes sense to me
[16:24] <ralsina> seb128: I need to work on that, got sidetracked a bit
[16:24] <seb128> k
[16:24] <dobey> Chipaca: if what makes sense to me matters at all, anyway :)
[16:24] <seb128> ralsina, can you tell me if you are able to find your comments on the web ui or post them again as a comment or something?
[16:24] <Chipaca> dobey: I am unsure as to whether it does
[16:24]  * Chipaca grins
[16:25] <ralsina> seb128: yes, I will do aone large comment with them all
[16:25] <Chipaca> ralsina: inline comments?
[16:25] <Chipaca> ralsina: you'll notice they say "unsaved" until you make an actual comment
[16:25] <ralsina> Chipaca: replies to inline comments, yes
[16:25] <seb128> ralsina, thanks
[16:25] <Chipaca> ralsina: and the actual comment will have a checkbox [x] include 27 inline comments
[16:26] <seb128> ralsina, I still think you didn't click the green checkmark on the right of the comments
[16:26] <seb128> because they would be in the email/ui otherwise
[16:26] <Chipaca> ralsina: until then they're saved in ... cookies? hopes and promises and user sessions? something like that
[16:26] <ralsina> Chipaca, mpt: also, this doesn't disallow *all* notifications from apps, just push notifications. So if a user expects this settings page to disallow appX from showing things in messaging menu, he's going to be disappointed
[16:26] <dobey> ok
[16:26] <Chipaca> ralsina: um
[16:27] <Chipaca> ralsina: an app can't use the messaging menu except through us
[16:27] <Chipaca> ralsina: click app that is
[16:27] <dobey> does *anyone* other than mardy know online-accounts remotely well?
[16:27] <ralsina> Chipaca: if that's true forever, then cool with me :-)
[16:27] <seb128> dobey, kenvandine
[16:28] <dobey> kenvandine: how well do you know online-accounts?
[16:28] <Chipaca> dobey: ralsina: i fear we broke mpt. Dude, have you any idea how much time it takes to grow a new one? not to mention having it shipped from nz
[16:31] <Chipaca> mpt: FWIW the text as is on the wiki right now works without the "all apps" bit. “Selected” apps, as it well says. We could re-iterate after that text, “if an app is not on the list, it can't issue notifications” or somesuch
[16:31] <Chipaca> ralsina: can you change the text to be as in the wiki now?
[16:31] <ralsina> Chipaca: sure thing. wiki link?
[16:32] <Chipaca> ralsina: we might have to change the logic to show all apps, not just ones having a push-helper, if mpt doesn't think the other is workable
[16:32] <kenvandine> dobey, been a while :)
[16:32] <Chipaca> ralsina: (apps without a helper would be grayed out)
[16:32] <Chipaca> ralsina: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Notification
[16:32] <ralsina> Chipaca: should be easy
[16:33] <Chipaca> ralsina: there's also a TBD more fine grained thing that mpt wanted to know if we could do. I haven't answered that until i know what it is, but i sure hope we can do it (because the current solution's limited expressiveness would frustrate me as a user)
[16:33] <dobey> kenvandine: i'm trying to track this down, but having a horrible time doing so. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntuone-credentials/+bug/1350144
[16:33] <dobey> kenvandine: do you have any ideas how to debug that? :)
[16:34] <ralsina> Chipaca: more fine grained as in sound/vibration/etc individual checkboxes?
[16:34] <Chipaca> ralsina: about it being true forever, the future includes moving things further into postal, not the other way around (AFAIUoCPTF)
[16:34] <Chipaca> ralsina: maybe? I don't know :)
[16:34] <ralsina> ok, that WFM
[16:34] <Chipaca> ralsina: but yes, somehting like that
[16:35] <ralsina> Chipaca: changed text to match the wiki. Good thing we have word wrap :-)
[16:35] <kenvandine> dobey, i have an idea of why
[16:36] <dobey> kenvandine: oh, please enlighten me :)
[16:36] <dobey> all my ideas didn't work :-/
[16:36] <kenvandine> not sure the solution :)
[16:36] <kenvandine> shouldn't it just quit?
[16:37] <kenvandine> dobey, basically i think it should do the right thing when it's using the trusted session
[16:38] <kenvandine> dobey, i guess it might need to hook into some trusted session api maybe ?
[16:38] <dobey> kenvandine: obviously it *should* do the right thing :)
[16:39] <dobey> i don't think it has anything to do with trusted session or not (we don't have trusted sessions on the device yet anyway)
[16:39] <kenvandine> i think it should be exiting the process right now
[16:39] <dobey> so yes, it *should* do the same thing as when one opens it from system settings
[16:39] <kenvandine> so focus should shift
[16:39] <dobey> yes, and twitter does if i hack things around to test it in place of the u1 plug-in.
[16:40] <dobey> and the u1 plug-in is doing the same thing when cancel is pressed (calling finished())
[16:40] <ralsina> seb128: my inline comments should be visible now :-)
[16:40] <kenvandine> dobey, it should cancel the signon-ui request
[16:40] <kenvandine> which i think is now renamed
[16:41] <kenvandine> but it cancels the request on dbus
[16:41] <dobey> kenvandine: we're not hitting signon-ui in u1, i don't think
[16:41] <seb128> ralsina, thanks ;-)
[16:41] <kenvandine> that would explain it :)
[16:42] <pmcgowan> mhall119, those text fields should set the hints to disable it
[16:42] <pmcgowan> sounds like a bug to me
[16:43] <dobey> kenvandine: how does that explain it?
[16:43] <kenvandine> dobey, i think that cancel button only really interacts with the signon-ui request
[16:43] <kenvandine> so if you're not using signon-ui, then there is nothing for it to do
[16:43] <dobey> kenvandine: it doesn't
[16:43] <kenvandine> i'm not saying it's right :)
[16:43] <kenvandine> are your sure?
[16:44] <dobey> kenvandine: i mean, if that were true, it would also not work under system-settings
[16:44] <kenvandine> ah... well system-settings is also a bit special :)
[16:44] <dobey> kenvandine: the cancel button removes the temporary account that was created, and then just calls finish()
[16:44] <kenvandine> but i see your point
[16:44] <dobey> kenvandine: the OAuthMain element stuff is doing the same thing there
[16:45] <kenvandine> and i think on finish, the process providing the UI exits
[16:45] <dobey> online-accounts-ui is the thing that embeds the qml plug-ins
[16:46] <dobey> it's the name of the process
[16:46] <kenvandine> ah, right
[16:46] <kenvandine> that's the signon-ui replacement :)
[16:46] <dobey> oh
[16:46] <kenvandine> i think when finish is emitted, it exits
[16:46] <dobey> well, yes, it should exit, but it isn't
[16:46] <dobey> and we are emitting finish
[16:47] <dobey> which is why i am totally stuck with trying to figure out why it's not working
[16:47] <kenvandine> ok, so that must not be getting caught
[16:47] <kenvandine> or..
[16:47] <kenvandine> online-accounts-ui still sees it as pending
[16:47] <kenvandine> i think there is some queue
[16:47] <kenvandine> and it waits for everything in the queue to finish
[16:47] <kenvandine> so maybe there are more than one requests?
[16:48] <dobey> maybe i'll just have cancel do exit(0);
[16:48] <dobey> how can there be more than one request?
[16:48] <kenvandine> dunno
[16:48] <dobey> how do i debug it? :)
[16:48] <kenvandine> run it with the magic env variable to increase logging output
[16:48] <kenvandine> one sec
[16:49] <kenvandine> SSOUI_LOGGING_LEVEL=2
[16:49] <kenvandine> that might help
[16:50] <pete-woods> jdstrand: hey, just submitted an MR for the click review tools (https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-reviewers-tools/wrong-scope-ini-path/+merge/228894)
[16:50] <pete-woods> could you give it a look over when you get the chance
[16:51] <pete-woods> in its current state, it will basically block all scopes from being uploaded
[16:53] <charles> nik90: pong
[16:53] <nik90> charles: hey, I got a decision from the design team about 2 issues.
[16:53] <dobey> kenvandine: where does that log output go to?
[16:53] <nik90> charles: the first is the about the vibration.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1350017
[16:53] <kenvandine> stdout
[16:53] <kenvandine> you just run online-accounts-ui by hand
[16:54] <nik90> charles: you will have to expose another settings in dbus for bool vibration similar to the other setting options.
[16:54] <kenvandine> it'll respond to the request
[16:54] <nik90> charles: the second issue was https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-datetime/+bug/1350426
[16:54] <nik90> charles: we are changing the alarm snap decision to a interactive notification for RTM.
[16:55] <nik90> charles: post RTM we will revisit this once we have snooze working
[16:56] <dobey> kenvandine: hmm, ok. i'll try that after this reflash finishes
[16:57] <nik90> charles: thoughts? ;D
[16:58] <charles> nik90, assigning myself for the datetime components of both 1350426 and 1350017
[17:00] <charles> nik90, did silo 6 fix the stutter?
[17:01] <nik90> charles: seems like it. I tested about 6-7 alarms and worked fine
[17:02] <charles> nik90, okay so haptic feedback is going to be a global setting, rather than per-alarm one, yes?
[17:02] <charles> nik90, if so, good :-)
[17:02] <nik90> charles: yes. And I will modify my dbus call to read it from com.canonical.indicatordatetime.AlarmProperties like before
[17:03] <nik90> s/modify/extend
[17:03] <charles> nik90, perfect
[17:03] <nik90> awesome
[17:05] <charles> nik90, could you annotate https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-datetime/+bug/1320877 with your test findings?
[17:05] <nik90> yes
[17:07] <nik90> charles: done
[17:17] <dobey> kenvandine: hrmm, i can't seem to run online-accounts-ui in the terminal, because it can't connect to mir
[17:20] <kenvandine> add --desktop_file_hint=/usr/share/applications/online-accounts-ui.desktop
[17:21] <dobey> kenvandine: yeah i did that, and it didn't seem to help
[17:21] <kenvandine> ok.. not sure then :/
[17:21] <dobey> although, now i'm having another issue, along with things being incredibly slow, on the new image
[17:23] <dobey> process 5985: arguments to dbus_connection_unref() were incorrect, assertion "connection->generation == _dbus_current_generation" failed in file ../../dbus/dbus-connection.c line 2777.
[17:23] <dobey> seeing lots of those though
[17:24]  * dobey flashes back to 159
[17:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, i see you put your sim-names branch on-hold, any eta for that?
[17:28] <kenvandine> dobey, yeah looks like 160 is in bad shape
[17:28] <ogra_> 160 is fine
[17:28] <ogra_> some apps are in bad shape :P
[17:29] <pmcgowan> another archive upload side effect
[17:29] <dobey> the spinning triforce screen is quite slow on 160 for me even :)
[17:51] <pmcgowan> mandel, fyi https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-transfer/+bug/1348162
[18:16] <mgreg> are there prebuilt images of android i can download (specifically for x86), i'm trying to play around with this on a desktop
[18:25] <dobey> mgreg: android isn't really the topic of this channel. there's an x86 emulator for ubuntu if you want to run the phone UI in an emulator on ubuntu. and there's the ubuntu-desktop-next ISO image which you can boot to run a "full" system with the unity8 experience
[18:25] <mgreg> ah ok sorry
[18:26] <mgreg> tbh i'm more interested in the lxc side of things, but ubuntu-touch seems to have done the most work in this area
[18:33] <agafsfsf> Just loaded my Nexus 4 and the Ubuntu Touch software seems to have come a long way since the last time I checked it out. Wondering if the image I loaded is essentially the same as what's in the production phones from BQ and Meizu...
[18:34] <mhall119> pmcgowan: why would those fields want to disable spell checking and suggestions?
[18:35] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I think the two actions are in conflict with each other unless I misunderstood you
[18:35] <mhall119> I would think that what was typed should be entered in, and then changed if one of the suggested options is picked, rather than not entered at all until the user hits space
[18:36] <mhall119> pmcgowan: the conflict stems from the fact that words are not given to the text field as they are typed
[18:36] <pmcgowan> we cant pass through the word if the spell checker hasnt completed
[18:36] <pmcgowan> how would that work
[18:36] <mhall119> I don't know, isn't that how it works on Android?
[18:36] <pmcgowan> I guess its ok for a dynamic search
[18:37] <pmcgowan> hmm
[18:37] <pmcgowan> we would have to re-enter the entire phrase I think
[18:37] <mhall119> test
[18:37] <mhall119> bah, ignore that
[18:38] <pmcgowan> heh
[18:38] <pmcgowan> so the scope would see "calc calculator" when the word got chosen I think
[18:38] <mhall119> at any rate, something needs to be changed, I had to disable it after only 5 minutes because of things like that
[18:38] <pmcgowan> we would need to have a mode to wipe it
[18:38] <pmcgowan> yeah
[18:39] <mhall119> not wipe all of it, just the last word
[18:39] <pmcgowan> right but how to do that
[18:39] <pmcgowan> what was the problem you had?
[18:40] <mhall119> pmcgowan: trying to open system settings, I usually search for "set" and then tap the launcher icon for it
[18:40] <mhall119> but with suggestions/checking enabled, "set" wasn't given to the dash until I hit space, then "set " with a space was given, which doesn't match "settings"
[18:41] <pmcgowan> must be word suggestion let me turn that on
[18:41] <pmcgowan> I see
[18:41] <pmcgowan> hmm again
[18:41] <ogra_> hmm, is the transfer indicator list supposed to have icons ?
[18:41] <mhall119> even just spell checking on causes this
[18:41] <pmcgowan> I think the enrty field should not do word suggestions
[18:41]  * ogra_ sees a lot of broken icons when expanding it 
[18:42] <w00t_> text input methods generally don't send whatever you've typed until the word is finalized (committed)
[18:42] <pmcgowan> I had spell check and it was fine
[18:42] <w00t_> it's called preedit
[18:42] <pmcgowan> right word suggestions and dynamic search results conflict, I will take a closer look
[18:43] <mhall119> pmcgowan: if the answer is to disable those features for dash search, that'll be enough to solve my problem
[18:43] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I think so, need to see if thats a hnt we have or a new one we ened
[18:43] <ogra_> argh
[18:43] <ogra_> http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/ubuntu-touch/broken-download.png
[18:43] <mhall119> but a more general "you don't get spelling suggestions on any dynamic search field" seems too heavy handed
[18:44] <pmcgowan> mhall119, well spelling suggestions work from what I see
[18:44] <pmcgowan> just word sugegstions dont
[18:44] <pmcgowan> oh
[18:44] <w00t_> https://bugreports.qt-project.org/browse/QTBUG-22298 is a related issue
[18:44] <pmcgowan> I see it still adds the space
[18:45] <mhall119> w00t_: heh, only 3 years old
[18:45] <ogra_> yeah, that still needs to ripen a bit
[18:46] <w00t_> mhall119: I think I reported it inside Nokia sometime during 2010, which probably doesn't make it any better
[18:46] <pmcgowan> mhall119, its this nopredictivetext, I think that turns everything off http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.TextField/#inputMethodHints-prop
[18:46] <ralsina> cjwatson: hi! Do yuo have any pointers about building fat click packages? I see you marked it as done, and some descriptions of the arch field, but no details on how to actually build one :-)
[18:46] <pmcgowan> mhall119, I thik thats all we can do for now
[18:49] <AskUbuntu> u1db index and query | http://askubuntu.com/q/504694
[18:50] <mhall119> pmcgowan: w00t_: the qt bug references this work done in qt5: https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/6682/
[18:51] <cjwatson> ralsina: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-appstore-developers/msg00626.html but I don't know how that's hooked up in QtC
[18:51] <w00t_> mhall119: yes, but there's no equivilent qtquick work at this stage afaik
[18:51] <cjwatson> ralsina: as far as the layout of the package goes that's sort of out of my area - I think somebody was working on codiying that but I'm not sure who
[18:52] <ralsina> cjwatson: ok, thanks
[18:53] <mhall119> w00t_: could we add it to our UITK controls at least?
[18:54] <w00t_> mhall119: I don't know what UITK is, but assuming you mean "touch's component set": I doubt it, as I'd guess you're based around TextEdit and the likes which is what you'd be needing to patch
[18:55] <pmcgowan> yeah
[18:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, it is done, but the chosen gsettings schema layout is not compatible with gsettings-qt. This is the bug I depend on https://bugs.launchpad.net/gsettings-qt/+bug/1349787
[18:55] <w00t_> looking at that change, I don't think it would be too complicated, though
[18:55] <jgdx> kenvandine, how'd the sound dbus mock go?
[18:56] <kenvandine> jgdx, got it all sorted
[18:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, great
[18:56] <kenvandine> jgdx, well mostly :)
[18:56] <mhall119> w00t_: http://developer.ubuntu.com/api/qml/sdk-14.10/Ubuntu.Components.TextField/ says it inherits from ActionItem, not TextEdit, so I'm not sure
[18:56] <kenvandine> i couldn't test it quite the way i wanted :)
[18:56] <kenvandine> but it's all mocked
[18:56] <mhall119> Kaleo: are you around?
[18:56] <t1mp> mhall119: it uses TextEdit internally
[18:57] <kenvandine> and i can test it changes the settings
[18:57] <mhall119> t1mp: ah, ok
[18:57] <jgdx> kenvandine, golden
[18:57] <kenvandine> of course there seems to be rather random test failures all over the place :/
[18:57] <kenvandine> i kicked off yet a 3rd round of rebuilds
[18:57] <w00t_> yeah, I can't imagine why you would (or would want to) try redo those. Text input is terrible, let someone else do it for you :-)
[18:58] <t1mp> exactly :)
[18:58] <mhall119> t1mp: w00t_: so should I file a bug against ubuntu-ui-tookit to make this avialable, and then you guys can link it to whatever upstream projects also need work?
[18:59] <jgdx> kenvandine, any dbus related?
[18:59] <kenvandine> i don't think so
[18:59] <kenvandine> like the keyboard sound check fails
[18:59] <jgdx> hm
[18:59] <kenvandine> which just does a click and checks the status of clicked
[18:59] <t1mp> mhall119: I didn't follow the whole discussion so I don't know exactly what's the problem. So putting it in a clear bug report would help
[19:00] <t1mp> mhall119: especially since probably we'll ask zsombi to check it out :)
[19:00] <kenvandine> it actually seems like a silly test :)
[19:00] <kenvandine> verifying the component changed checked when clicked
[19:00] <mhall119> poor zsombi always get's stuck with my obnoxious bugs
[19:00] <kenvandine> not verifying the backend did anything
[19:00] <jgdx> kenvandine, at least we know the component is there and the panel isn't blank :D
[19:00] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:01] <t1mp> mhall119: and add a link to the qt bug :)
[19:01] <jgdx> but yeah, it smells like a qml unit test of the panel instead of a full blown autopilot test
[19:01] <t1mp> mhall119: it is his own fault being smart about text input ;)
[19:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, the weird part is that test is actually failing now :)
[19:02] <kenvandine> not sure why... it doesn't always fail of course :)
[19:02] <kenvandine> that was just in the last run of CI
[19:03] <pmcgowan> mhall119, t1mp in the meantime I will add a bug to set the hint to turn off predictive text
[19:07] <kenvandine> jgdx, have you tested the gsettings-qt fix yet?
[19:07] <jgdx> kenvandine, immediately after the reset branch
[19:07] <jgdx> i.e. later tonight I think
[19:08] <kenvandine> reset?
[19:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, is your sim-name branch about ready though?  assuming gsettings-qt is fixed?
[19:09] <mhall119> pmcgowan: t1mp: w00t_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1350497
[19:09] <pmcgowan> and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1350496
[19:10] <pmcgowan> I will cross reference
[19:10] <mhall119> thanks pmcgowan
[19:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, yeah, it was proposed but then we changed the gsettings schema
[19:22] <jgdx> kenvandine, more specifically, we changed the schema keys and moved the schema itself from uss to the common schemas https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/phone-settings/+merge/228620
[19:22] <jgdx> Laney, could you do a review of https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/phone-settings/+merge/228620 btw?
[19:22] <kenvandine> jgdx, cool
[19:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, are you depending on it?
[19:26] <kenvandine> jgdx, no, just trying to figure out when we can get it in a silo
[19:26] <kenvandine> i'm trying to clear the plate of other branches before we get that in
[19:32] <jgdx> kenvandine, when I'm unblocked I'll hit the ground running
[19:32]  * jgdx makes attempts to nail idioms
[19:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, hehe... thanks!
[20:32] <mandel> pmcgowan, yes, I have that on in my radar
[20:33] <pmcgowan> mandel, cool
[20:39] <AskUbuntu> Problem with ubuntu on Samsung Galaxy Note n7000 | http://askubuntu.com/q/504723
[20:45] <daker> mhall119: wow http://www.jmaghreb.io/en/speakers-2014.php
[20:46] <mhall119> daker: \o/
[20:46] <daker> :)
[21:00] <matv1> forgive me but is there still no way to disable (or configure the time of) utouch's power save mode?
[21:01] <mhall119> matv1: you mean screen timeout?
[21:01] <matv1> mhall119 yes i guess
[21:02] <mhall119> hmmm, doesn't look like it, there used to be though at one point
[21:02] <mhall119> seb128: is the ability to change screen locking time coming back?
[21:03] <matv1> mhall119 i know :)  i even found a bug report of yours pointing that out at the time of the switch  from powerd to unity8
[21:05] <matv1> case in point: you are watching a 5 minute video and the screen will go blank a couple of times
[21:06] <matv1> i was reading selenes list on the mailgroup just now and i thought this one odly missing
[21:06] <mhall119> yeah, the media-player should prevent the screen turning off when playing video, it just may not have implemented that yet
[21:08] <matv1> mhall119  yes but would that cover a html5 app that plays vids also?
[21:08] <mhall119> kenvandine: I see the new background settings panel has landed, looks great, when do you think we can install wallpapers packages?
[21:08] <mhall119> matv1: it should, I think, because it all goes through the media-player service
[21:08] <mhall119> jhodapp: ^^ can you confirm?
[21:08] <matv1> mhall119 ah I see!
[21:13] <mhall119> bzoltan1: zbenjamin: can I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1349586 confirmed and triaged, with a priority set? It could be a major stumbling block for new scope authors and seems like it should be a relatively straightforward fix
[21:13] <mhall119> I can confirm that creating a project in all lowercase avoids this problem
[21:14] <mhall119> pmcgowan: can you mark https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1350497 as affecting you since you were able to confirm it
[21:15] <mhall119> or just give me a +1 to change it to confirmed
[21:15] <pmcgowan> done
[21:19] <dobey> cwayne: hey, do you know anything about the pm/screen blank stuff?
[21:20] <cwayne> dobey: nope. sorru
[21:23] <dobey> damn. was hoping to bribe you :)
[22:15] <gerlowskija> balloons: ping
[22:15] <balloons> gerlowskija, I'm commenting on the mp now :-)
[22:16] <balloons> I see what's going on
[22:16] <gerlowskija> Haha, I just saw your email
[22:20] <balloons> gerlowskija, ok, sent the comment
[22:20] <balloons> have a read and thoughts ;-)
[22:22] <gerlowskija> sure thing, just a sec.
[22:27] <balloons> gerlowskija, so I think a bug is in order for this. It seems to affect trunk as well, so what I'd like to do is land your branch, and file a bug for it. We'll modify the tests to workaround the issue
[22:27] <balloons> We should be able to land everyone else's branches once yours hits trunk which will just move things along
[22:28] <gerlowskija> Won't the tests still be failing for everyone else?  Or do you mean you'd like the workaround for the tests to be in my branch?
[22:28] <balloons> gerlowskija, yes we'll workaround in your branch and land it to trunk
[22:28] <balloons> that will fix it for everyone
[22:29] <gerlowskija> ah, kk.  Are you still thinking that the workaround would involve using some property other than 'visible' to check when getting events for the tests?
[22:29] <balloons> visible isn't the issue actually
[22:29] <balloons> it's something wrong with the qml? not sure
[22:30] <gerlowskija> Yeah, that's what I was gonna say.  The autopilot get_events function doesn't care about "visible" (except on my branch, where I changed it to do so)
[22:30] <gerlowskija> brb, just a sec.
[22:30] <balloons> gerlowskija, can you push to a calendar devs branch so we all can push to it and resubmit the mp?
[22:38] <gerlowskija> balloons: back.  How do I push to a calendar-devs branch?  Is it some variant of "bzr push lp:~calendar-app-dev/ubuntu-calendar-app/BRANCH_NAME_FOO"
[22:38] <balloons> gerlowskija, that's exactly i
[22:38] <balloons> *it
[22:38] <gerlowskija> lucky guess :-)
[22:39] <gerlowskija> so...the actual problem's in the QML somewhere...did you have something in mind for the autopilot test workaround?
[22:40] <balloons> gerlowskija, yes. I'd like to push it
[22:46] <gerlowskija> balloons: I guess I wasn't exactly right..I'm getting: "Permission denied: User/team 'calendar-app-dev' does not exist"
[22:46] <balloons> ~ubuntu-calendar-dev
[22:46] <balloons> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-calendar-dev
[22:48] <gerlowskija> ah, I had a capital U when I'd tried that variation, pushed now as "revised-fix-for-bug1334883-dev"
[22:48] <gerlowskija> balloons: ^^
[22:50] <balloons> gerlowskija, awesome.. now hit the resubmit button, and change the proposed branch to the new one and rsubmit..it'll keep all the comments that way
[22:52] <gerlowskija> balloons: done
[23:01] <balloons> gerlowskija, pushed
[23:01] <balloons> gerlowskija, can you file a bug for what we are seeing?
[23:03] <balloons> looks like it might need a little bit more love however
[23:05] <gerlowskija> ugh, ok.
[23:09] <balloons> lololol.. typo for the los
[23:15] <balloons> gerlowskija, manage to file a bug? I'd like to reference it
[23:15] <balloons> things are working now
[23:20] <gerlowskija> balloons: I hadn't created a bug yet, I'm still catching up on email for the day.  I'll file one now (unless you jumped on it?)
[23:20] <balloons> gerlowskija, no, I'd appreciate it if you filed, but no rush :-)
[23:20] <balloons> just tidying the mp..
[23:20] <gerlowskija> btw, did you say that the dropped event 'reappears' once you close and re-open the app?
[23:21] <balloons> gerlowskija, yes, so no data is lost, you just can't see it
[23:34] <gerlowskija> balloons: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-calendar-app/+bug/1350605
[23:34] <balloons> gerlowskija, perfect timing. I'll commit that and we're good
[23:35] <balloons> gerlowskija, alright, now for the jenkins run :-)
[23:35] <gerlowskija> fingers crossed haha
[23:36] <gerlowskija> feel free to add some more info to that bug..not as familiar with the specifics as you probably are.
[23:36] <balloons> feel free to have a look at what I did and give a thumbs up or thumbs down
[23:37] <balloons> I believe jenkins should pass, it works locally even with my dozens of events as it's not using counts
[23:40] <balloons> gerlowskija, if you approve, I'll top approve and we'll merge it :-) Whew! wahoo!
[23:47] <gerlowskija> balloons: It looks good to me.  I marked the 'status' as approved.  Didn't realize I was even able to review things permissions wise.  Movin' up i the world I guess! ;-p
[23:47] <balloons> gerlowskija, yep you have power now :-)
[23:48] <gerlowskija> Knowledge is power, and if I had any of that, it wouldn't've taken me 2-and-a-half weeks to get my bugfix branch merged haha
[23:48] <balloons> gerlowskija, this was a difficult bug, believe me..
[23:49] <balloons> but yes I think you are well equipped now to solving things much faster
[23:49] <gerlowskija> Agreed, there was a bit of a learning curve.
[23:50] <gerlowskija> I'm gonna head out soon, though I'll still be online.  I'll try coming back and looking at the bug I filed later on
[23:50] <balloons> same, time for late dinner and a walk :-)
[23:50] <gerlowskija> balloons: sounds like a plan.  Thanks again for the help (with the bug, and the learning curve)