[06:44] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[06:44] <mapps> morning
[06:45] <daftykins> o/
[06:46] <brobostigon> morning mapps and daftykins
[06:47] <diddledan> allo
[06:47] <daftykins> ah a wild dan of diddle
[06:47] <Myrtti> yaaayyy no water.
[06:48] <mapps> morning
[06:48] <mapps> 6 January 2015
[06:48] <mapps> London Gatwick
[06:48] <mapps> to Moscow Domodedovo
[06:48] <mapps> Dep 07:00 - Arr 14:50
[06:48] <mapps> Flight EZY8401
[06:48] <mapps> 1 Adult
[06:48] <mapps> 1 x £52.99
[06:48] <mapps> :P
[06:48] <mapps> all booked
[06:48] <mapps> next part get the visa
[06:49] <daftykins> :O
[06:51] <daftykins> audio seems to be working on this laptop each boot i make it do now :D
[06:51] <daftykins> lets try it again
[06:52] <daftykins> ooh there's the tell tale power off
[06:53] <daftykins> yep and it's gone
[08:10] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Cheesecake Day! :-D
[08:10] <daftykins> !
[08:11] <daftykins> now that is a day i am proud to celebrate, more so than milk chocolate day perhaps
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[08:12] <mapps> silly russians
[08:12] <mapps> i went to ubuntu-ru;p
[08:14] <daftykins> and spoke english!? you devil
[08:15] <mapps> i know
[08:15] <mapps> im awful
[08:17] <foobarry> mapps: does it fly over ukraine?
[08:18] <Myrtti> fair question
[08:18] <daftykins> are you guys serious
[08:18] <daftykins> how bad is your geography :P
[08:19] <foobarry> it doesn't
[08:19] <foobarry> but it could do
[08:19] <mapps> foobarry nie
[08:19] <foobarry> it takes a wide berth north over dnmark
[08:19] <foobarry> i've flown to russia before
[08:19] <mapps> wouldt care if it did tbh
[08:20] <foobarry> ukraine is a distinct possibility
[08:20] <mapps> if somethings ginna happen it will happen
[08:20] <mapps> i cant stop it
[08:20] <foobarry> sure but i don't go playing chicken in the road
[08:20] <mapps> yea
[08:21] <daftykins> poor Malaysia Airlines :( i wonder what they're choosing as a new name
[08:21] <mapps> but 99% of flights are ok
[08:21] <mapps> yep
[08:21] <mapps> sad eh
[08:21] <daftykins> i had a look at their share price yesterday
[08:21] <mapps> nothing means anything ...all thrown away so quickly
[08:24] <foobarry> mapps: what will u be doing in russia
[08:24] <mapps> not sure
[08:25] <foobarry> oh
[08:25] <mapps> but its different bermondsey eh:P
[08:25] <foobarry> yes sort of
[08:25] <mapps> :D
[08:25] <foobarry> still high rise blocks
[08:25] <mapps> hahaha
[08:25] <foobarry> and morozhenoe
[08:25] <daftykins> you two are using very confusing words
[08:25] <mapps> how do you know bermondsey?
[08:25] <foobarry> went to a party ther once
[08:26] <mapps> cearly do by your last response
[08:26] <mapps> aha
[08:26] <mapps> lovely place eh
[08:26] <mapps> ;)
[08:26] <foobarry> was better than the party in mile end that we didn't witness a mugging at knife point
[08:26] <mapps> hahaha
[08:26] <mapps> mile end
[08:26] <mapps> lol
[08:27] <foobarry> the architect has sent his drawings to the council \o/
[08:27] <foobarry> time to engage the builders
[08:28] <mapps> hahahahaha
[08:28] <daftykins> careful, they're a dangerous sort
[08:28] <mapps> bloody didnt kniw someone would know bermondsey
[08:28] <mapps> said too much;p
[08:30] <foobarry> i never go south of river. it was an accident
[08:30] <mapps> hahaha
[08:31] <foobarry> hmm handbrake isn't reading this dvd
[08:31] <foobarry> which is clean
[08:31] <mapps> you live in like chelsea?
[08:31] <mapps> us poor folks
[08:31] <mapps> not good enough
[08:31] <mapps> :)
[08:31] <foobarry> no, just north london blood
[08:32] <mapps> oh
[08:32] <mapps> so still too good for us lot
[08:32] <mapps> :D
[08:33] <daftykins> foobarry: must be fun protection once again
[08:33] <foobarry> nah,m its a BBC dvd
[08:34] <foobarry> there is some strange schorching on the edge
[08:34] <foobarry> hadn't noticed
[08:37] <popey> inner edge or outer edge?
[08:38] <foobarry> outer
[08:39] <mapps> ive gotta go sleep in a minute
[08:39] <foobarry> gonna see if it plays in vlc after this disc is done
[08:39] <foobarry> handbrake want sto scan whole dvd, dunno which chapters need rippage though
[08:39] <daftykins> BBC are actually pretty good at protection too
[08:40] <daftykins> find a windows machine and crack out DVD decrypter \o/
[08:40] <foobarry> its a defect i'm sure
[08:40] <foobarry> is there even such a thing as protection?
[08:40] <foobarry> if vlc can read it then so can handbrake
[08:40] <mapps> damnit
[08:40] <mapps> i will try harder
[08:41] <mapps> drinking about 25-30pints a week still
[08:41] <mapps> and smoking a pack a day
[08:41] <mapps> ARGH
[08:41] <daftykins> damn it mapps i said no touching the Dinghy - http://i.imgur.com/8fPvOas.gif
[08:41] <mapps> :(
[08:42] <foobarry> when do you drink?
[08:42] <mapps> everyday?
[08:42] <foobarry> what time of day?
[08:42] <daftykins> foobarry: i didn't make it up about there being copy protection...
[08:42] <mapps> 2/3am+
[08:42] <foobarry> even one less pint a day is doable
[08:43] <mapps> course it is
[08:43] <foobarry> when i was a student i drank 21 pints a week
[08:43] <mapps> but  i figure im gonna bloody drop dead some day aint i
[08:43] <foobarry> small lifestyle changes can make big difference
[08:43] <mapps> cant keep smoking and drinking and be ok :)
[08:44] <foobarry> so getting under 20pts is achievable aim
[08:44] <mapps> yea
[08:44] <mapps> unlikely
[08:44] <mapps> but course i 'could'
[08:44] <foobarry> i dunno, its not unrealistic
[08:45] <mapps> i could also quit smoking;p
[08:45] <foobarry> the last pint is never as enjoyable as the first anyway
[08:45] <foobarry> e-cigs?
[08:45] <mapps> nah
[08:45] <mapps> i smoke marlboro lights
[08:45] <mapps> used to smoke rollies
[08:45] <mapps> got fedup rolling
[08:48] <daftykins> tried the electronic jobs?
[08:48] <daftykins> could at least make things a bit healthier
[08:48] <mapps> nah
[08:48] <mapps> who cares at this point
[08:48] <mapps> ive smoked for so long
[08:48] <mapps> :)
[08:49] <foobarry> thats not true
[08:49] <foobarry> the benefits of stopping are realised v quickly,
[08:49] <foobarry> and within a couple of years you regain a huge benefit
[08:49] <mapps> yea but i aint gonna stop am i:P
[08:49] <foobarry> all is not lost
[08:49] <mapps> so gotta try and justify it
[08:50] <daftykins> no, but you cut out all the other crap you're putting into your lungs
[08:51] <mapps> ive been smoking for bloody years mate
[08:51] <daftykins> haha well nothing is gonna change with this viewpoint ;)
[08:52] <mapps> :D
[08:52] <mapps> idd never recomend anyone smokes;p
[08:53] <foobarry> even stopping at age 60 adds 3 yrs to your life :-|
[08:53] <mapps> makes me laugh when i see these young kids
[08:53] <diplo> How old are you mapps ?
[08:53] <daftykins> to 63 ;)
[08:53] <mapps> desperate for a cigarette
[08:53] <mapps> 31 diplo
[08:53] <foobarry> "Men who quit smoking by 30 add 10 years to their life"
[08:53] <mapps> ah well thats me done
[08:53] <mapps> im over 30;p
[08:53] <diplo> My grandad smoked from 16 till he was 86, didn't have cancer, died from giving up fags :)
[08:53] <daftykins> i knew he was gnna say that XD
[08:54] <diplo> They say if you quit now you are more likely to get the worst of it out of your system
[08:54] <mapps> my mum died from smoking..
[08:54] <mapps> but
[08:54] <mapps> she smoked about 30/day
[08:55] <foobarry> i installed ubuntu on a strangers laptop yesterday \o/
[08:55] <Myrtti> whee!
[08:55] <foobarry> they were trying to install and had a problem
[08:56] <foobarry> unfortuantely the installer isn't very intuitive when windows has used 4 partitions on the disk already
[08:57] <foobarry> after we got over that it was plain sailing
[08:58] <mapps> thats why i love living on my own;p can smoke at my desk
[09:00] <Myrtti> this smoking discussion makes my skin crawl
[09:01] <foobarry> when i was six i put a cig butt to my mouth that my friend had found at the kerb :S , but that's the closest i ever got
[09:02] <foobarry> other ppls smoke gives me terible discomfort in summer due to hayefever
[09:02] <foobarry> even the odd molecule from 50 yds away
[09:20] <daftykins> just got the new DVD drive from ebay for this laptop i'm messing with
[09:21] <daftykins> no go, no boot from CD or DVD, no reading discs... looks like no device detected either
[09:32] <funkyHat> The best time to start smoking is about 6 months before you buy your pension annuity
[09:48] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:36] <Myrtti> todays newly learnt English word: BOWSER. The term bowser is used by water companies in the United Kingdom to refer to mobile water tanks deployed to distribute fresh water in emergency situations where the normal system of piped distribution has broken down or is insufficient.
[10:36] <foobarry> a good word
[10:37] <foobarry> do you want some other nice words
[10:38] <foobarry> Acersecomic
[10:38] <foobarry> which could be Myrtti
[10:39] <foobarry> judging by her v long hair when i saw her once
[10:39] <Myrtti> foobarry: I'm not too enthusiastic of having to learn that word, to be honest
[10:40] <Myrtti> (Bowser, that is)
[10:40] <foobarry> bowser is a great sounding word
[10:40] <foobarry> also, mario
[10:41] <Myrtti> https://twitter.com/myrtti/status/494417157531250689
[10:41] <Myrtti> I might have been a bit peeved
[10:43] <foobarry> oh, you had nothing to drink except from the bowser?
[10:43] <Myrtti> well fortunately the kettle did have a bit of water, as did the Brita jug
[10:44] <foobarry> you have been performing jettetura towards the water company
[10:44] <Myrtti> but I couldn't really wash my coffee pot or have a shower.
[10:44] <foobarry> jettatura*
[10:45] <Myrtti> Why bother having ALERT pages if you don't actually have useful information on them
[10:46] <foobarry> tell my IT dept that
[10:46] <Myrtti> the bit I'm most peeved at is that it HAD information
[10:46] <Myrtti> then it vanished
[10:46] <Myrtti> well, not all of it, but the bit I was interested
[11:58] <foobarry> checkout staff who dump your ready meal in the bag upside down :@@@
[13:26] <popey> oh balls. laptop I ordered is being delivered by hermes
[13:27] <MartijnVdS> are they bad/
[13:27] <diddledan> is he unreliable?
[13:27] <diddledan> I figure that means the planet-express crew?
[13:27] <davmor2> diddledan: he visits hades to often for popey's liking
[13:28] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100111195411/en.futurama/images/b/b4/250px-Hermes_conrad.png
[13:28] <directhex_> hermes is a subcontracted carrier, i.e. the delivery is done by normal people as a part-time job
[13:28] <directhex_> so the service you receive is super variable
[13:29] <popey> yeah
[13:29] <popey> we ordered something "next day" from Next, came 4 days later via hermes, bloke couldn't give a toss
[13:30] <foobarry> a part on wifey's spinning wheel got broken via courier yesterday by rought treatment. she was mildly gutted to say the least
[13:30] <Myrtti> gah Guardian videos take forever to load
[13:31] <Myrtti> foobarry: :-(
[13:31] <foobarry> just been watching http://sysadmincasts.com/episodes/31-introduction-to-docker a good whistelstop tour for busy people
[13:32] <foobarry> Myrtti: it was the brake peg. had been snapped and was hanging loose
[13:32] <Myrtti> aw :-|
[13:33] <Myrtti> where'd she get it from?
[13:33] <foobarry> i had to screw a screw into the remainder of the peg
[13:33] <foobarry> and pukll the broken bit out. was scary
[13:33] <popey> screws!
[13:33] <foobarry> a nice lady from spinwise.co.uk
[13:33] <popey> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/30/buzzgasm_screws/
[13:33] <foobarry> she will send a new peg, probably at her own cost, i don't know if she will get anything out of the courier company
[13:39] <MartijnVdS> popey: http://www.reddit.com/r/britishproblems/comments/2c4sut/ive_had_the_joy_of_working_for_hermes/
[13:48] <popey> nice
[13:55] <Myrtti> DPD etc. have timed slots. If they turn up to your door 5 minutes before their predicted arrival, they'll have to wait until they can sign the package off
[13:56] <Myrtti> I once asked them if they'd want a drink while waiting
[14:00] <diddledan> Myrtti: vodka?
[14:00] <Myrtti> tea
[14:00] <diddledan> aah
[14:01] <Myrtti> it was one of the early summer heatwave days
[14:01] <Myrtti> well, warm enough anyway
[14:10] <foobarry> anyone used/ing vagrant?
[14:12] <foobarry> people seem to use it with virtualbox which gives me a sour taste
[14:34] <foobarry> talktalk mobile are provided by vodafone..hmm.
[14:35] <foobarry> currently offering monthly deal for £3.75 for 600MB data + voice+ textx
[15:07] <awilkins> vodafone are tax dodging swine
[15:07] <awilkins> And also screwed me out of about £200 of data charges when I spent 10 minutes explaining to the sales rep that I needed a plan with very few minutes but inclusive data
[15:08] <awilkins> So I will never ever give them money again or encourage people to do so
[15:08] <foobarry> which mobile commpanies pay tax?
[15:08] <awilkins> Dunno
[15:08] <foobarry> o2 i suppose
[15:08] <foobarry> the others are foreign owned
[15:08] <awilkins> But we know that voda hasn't paid £6B of tax and, well, should be counted as British because it used to be a part of BT
[15:08] <foobarry> agree
[15:09] <awilkins> There should be a dotheypaytheirtaxes.com
[15:10] <awilkins> I thought a good plugin for the barcode reader on your phone would be something that ran a barcode search and then did a graph query in some kind of knowledge base of the companies that produced the product and gave it an evil / not evil score
[15:10] <awilkins> You could configure your evilness rating function based on your personal beliefs
[15:14] <foobarry> do you google?
[15:29] <dwatkins> I'm being switched to Vodafone for my company phone, sadly.
[16:08] <Azelphur> Does anyone here have working IPv6?
[16:08] <Azelphur> I am somewhat confused as to if I'm behind a NAT with IPv6, so wondering if someone who has working IPv6 can check that for me
[16:11] <popey> Azelphur: brobostigon does I believe
[16:12]  * Azelphur prods brobostigon
[16:14] <diddledan> Azelphur: I've got ip6 running
[16:14] <Azelphur> diddledan: pm'd ya :)
[16:15] <diddledan> at least I should do
[16:15] <diddledan> it doesn't appear to be responding atm
[16:15] <Azelphur> diddledan: good, I guess that means my NAT is working
[16:15] <diddledan> no I mean my end is broke
[16:15] <diddledan> lemme have a fiddle
[16:15] <Azelphur> ah :)
[16:16] <diddledan> I changed something the other day so I guess that broke it
[16:20] <shauno_> I've warned you about fiddling, diddledan
[16:29] <diddledan> ok, Azelphur , I fixed ip6 my end and your ip still doesn't respond so I guess you got your firewall correct
[16:29] <Azelphur> good :)
[16:29] <diddledan> Azelphur: it seems to be immediately closed
[16:30] <diddledan> Azelphur: yeah the connection attempt is refused
[16:32] <diddledan> some folk prefer black-holing rather than refusing connections because if an attacker doesn't know it's there then they don't try to attack it
[16:32] <diddledan> in iptables that's -j DROP vs -j REJECT
[16:32] <diddledan> DROP doesn't reply, REJECT sends a connection refused message
[16:33] <Azelphur> I see
[16:34] <Azelphur> diddledan: interestingly it seems like my router DROPS IPv6
[16:34] <Azelphur> IPv4*
[16:34] <Azelphur> I wonder why it would drop ipv4 and not ipv6
[16:45] <shauno_> nat on ipv6?  or just a default inbound policy
[17:45] <Azelphur> shauno_: I dunno tbh, I know IPv6 does stuff differently  in that regard
[18:49] <DJones> ok, cure for terminal earache, let your other half get a new car
[18:52] <daftykins> *shudder*
[18:52] <daftykins> was the old really that bad? ;)
[18:52] <DJones> Not to me, she complained it stuggled on the motorway, I thought it was fine
[18:53] <DJones> But it was 10 years old
[18:53] <DJones> Now she's got one with all the gadgets necessary, sat nav, cruise control, electric windows, air con etc
[18:54] <DJones> Must admit I couldn't drive the old car without cruise control, really caused pain on the motorway etc
[18:56] <daftykins> amazing how the features from the US are slowly crawling over
[18:57] <daftykins> or maybe it's just that i'm used to such simple cars (i don't own one or have a license still) but over here we have no MOT so cars can be driven 'til they fall apart
[18:58] <DJones> I have problems driving any distance with pain after surgery a few years back, so cruise control is a necessity for me
[18:59] <daftykins> ouch!
[18:59] <DJones> At times I regret the surgery, but couldn't continue with a hernia anyway
[19:00] <DJones> Ah well, these things happen
[19:00] <daftykins> pretty sure i saw a guy steal a rear wheel off a bike earlier
[19:01] <DJones> That can't be a quick job
[19:01] <daftykins> sure it can! quick release
[19:01] <DJones> Push bike rather than motorbike?
[19:01] <daftykins> yep
[19:01] <DJones> h
[19:02] <DJones> Ah
[19:02] <DJones> My wife made me laugh when her insurance on a 10 year old 1.1L car increased by 50% for a 1.5L 3 year old car, she though it'd come down because the car was newer and more reliable
[19:03] <DJones> I WISH
[19:07] <daftykins> how much are we talking though?
[19:56] <DJones> daftykins: £240 to around £375 ish
[19:57] <daftykins> ah sound about what i'd expect, as an outsider to driving
[19:58] <diddledan> lol @ argument over whether "alphabetise desktop icons" is suitable
[19:59] <diddledan> yey for translation flamewar
[20:00] <shauno_> that's not even a word - how would it be suitable?
[20:00] <diddledan> popey linked the OED which says it is a real word
[20:01] <shauno_> meh, dictionaries are junk these days too.  they've turned into a game of "guess which crazy words we added this year!"
[20:04] <daftykins> yeah pesky social sellouts that they are :(
[20:07] <shauno_> I was always told -ize is greek words (and latin?) and -ise is french words
[20:09] <diddledan> shauno_: I think that's elfs vs elves
[20:17] <foobarry> ugh. just realised i got a red letter from the water company in may
[20:17] <foobarry> bang goes my credit rating
[20:17] <foobarry> i've only just opened the letter. maybe it only just arrived at it was just sitting onthe stairs
[21:40] <daftykins> foobarry: direct debit time!
[22:00] <diddledan> daftykins: I prefer direct credit
[22:00] <diddledan> pay me monies!