[05:23] <nuvolari> o/ oh hi
[05:23] <Symmetria> lol, mannn an ISP actually got mad at me because we moved something around and it resulted in them using *3mbit* more traffic ;p 
[05:23] <Symmetria> they are doing 1.5gigabit average, and they are crying about 3mbit? REALLY? like REALLY?
[05:24] <nuvolari> really? lol
[05:24] <nuvolari> I would just shush and enjoy
[05:24] <Symmetria> they proposed this immensely complicated setup
[05:24] <Symmetria> to give them back their 3mbit
[05:25] <Symmetria> I pointed out that the costs of running and implementing that cost a lot more than the 3mbit did :P
[05:26] <nuvolari> It's like my mom. She'll drive R5 worth's petrol out to get something that's 50c cheaper at another place :P
[05:27] <Symmetria> hahaha or like my mom, buy cheap stuff and then wonder why it breaks and then go buy more of the same and end up replacing the same thing 5 times at 3 times the cost of just buying decent stuff in the first place :P
[05:27] <Symmetria> this is why if I buy appliances and stuff, I prefer to spend more the first time and not have to replace later
[05:32] <Symmetria> heh nuvolari check this
[05:32] <Symmetria> so, I was working on something to process html logs 
[05:32] <Symmetria> to geo-ip them
[05:33] <Symmetria> I write this thing in php, and it was HOLY HELL slow
[05:33] <Symmetria> lol re-wrote it in C and optimized the hell outta it
[05:33] <Symmetria> now
[05:33] <Symmetria> Processed 4959620 lines... sorting...
[05:33] <Symmetria> real	0m30.610s
[05:33] <Symmetria> lol thats fast :)
[05:37] <nuvolari> good grief!
[05:50] <Symmetria> Processed 4993139 lines in 32.000000 seconds [156036 lines/second]
[05:50] <Symmetria> heh there
[05:50] <Symmetria> I put a lines per second calculator in there
[05:51] <Symmetria> lol could probably knock half a second off there by removing the line counter as well
[05:57] <nuvolari> IIRC the C source was shorter as well?
[05:57] <nuvolari> Symmetria: ^^
[05:57]  * nuvolari doesn't really know C :P
[05:57] <Symmetria> nuvolari, nah the C source is a fair bit longer
[05:58] <Symmetria> close to double the length
[05:58] <Symmetria> heh, php handles all your memory for you
[05:58] <Symmetria> and has functions like explode() 
[05:59] <Symmetria> where as in C, you gotta allocate your own memory all over the place, and to explode etc etc into arrays you gotta do things like strtok() and then duplicate the text into the arrays
[06:07] <Symmetria> heh the other problem with C, once you optimize past a certain level, the readability of the code becomes a bitch
[06:07] <Symmetria> because you start doing funky things to speed it up and tracking all those optimisations is a whore
[06:21] <ThatGraemeGuy> morning peeps
[06:21] <nuvolari> oh hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[06:22] <Squirm> morning
[06:27] <nuvolari> hi Squirm 
[06:43] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:46] <Kilos> hi gremble mazal ThatGraemeGuy theblazehen and others
[06:46] <gremble> Hey
[06:54] <mazal> Gaanit oom Kilos ?
[06:55] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi Kilos
[06:56] <Kilos> eina mkop maar ons lewe dankie mazal en jy
[06:57] <Kilos> kop kop
[07:01] <inetpro> gppd mornings
[07:01] <inetpro> good as well
[07:01] <Kilos> hehe hi there inetpro 
[07:03] <mazal> Die gaan is ok die terugkom sukkel oom
[07:03] <Kilos> haha
[07:09] <Kilos> ThatGraemeGuy, dropped things dropped then disappeared back in inventory last night, with a funny little sound, im not sure anymore but i think it was a small ploep sound
[07:09] <Kilos> hehe
[07:09] <ThatGraemeGuy> you mean things that dropped because of full inventory?
[07:09] <Kilos> no when i dropped them for the pro to pickup
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh
[07:10] <Kilos> haha was weird
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> mmmm i added a mod that picks up stuff be walking instead of clicking around like a madman
[07:10] <ThatGraemeGuy> maybe try and aim a bit further from you next time
[07:10] <Kilos> aha
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> or else if it is too sensitive then i'll remove it
[07:11] <Kilos> will try that tonight ty
[07:11] <Kilos> lets test it properly first
[07:11] <ThatGraemeGuy> its supposed to pick up only when its quite close to you, so maybe you just dropped it too close to your feet
[07:12] <Kilos> yip iirc was close
[07:12] <Symmetria> haha I was having an argument with someone, so they produced this presentation to back up their side of the argument, I told them the presentation didn't mean what they said it did, they said, how would I know that, Im like, I know the author, and infact I know the author so well that 15 years ago we didn't speka for a year after I slept with his ex girlfriend 
[07:12] <Symmetria> ;p
[07:12] <Symmetria> that pretty much ended the debate right there
[07:12] <ThatGraemeGuy> i added it because when i'm laser mining and my inventory gets full sometimes i end up with 50+ blocks of things lying there to pick up because i'm working too fast to notice
[07:13] <Kilos> ya the new tools mine like mad hey
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> i'll be moving to quarry mining soon anyway
[07:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> so if that mod is too annoying i'll remove it
[07:14] <Kilos> no not yet lets first try it 
[07:14] <Kilos> so if you walk over dropped things theyll appear in invetory
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah, that's what i mean. try it and let me know if it's too annoying
[07:14] <ThatGraemeGuy> yes
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> if you have the space of course
[07:15] <Kilos> that could be good
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> yeah its also nice for when you are going at trees with a chainsaw because they tend to spew stuff onto the ground all over
[07:15] <ThatGraemeGuy> so just walk around a bit to pick it all up
[07:16] <Kilos> haha that quarry makes a big hole hey, be tricky to get down there without falling
[07:17] <Kilos> my singleplayer is crashed but works with new name still so i dunno what went wrong
[07:18] <Kilos> oi i go sort sheep
[07:31] <charl> morning ThatGraemeGuy, Kilos 
[07:31] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:31]  * Maaz starts grinding coffee
[07:31] <Kilos> yhi charl Symmetria 
[07:32] <ThatGraemeGuy> hi charl
[07:35] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:39] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[07:40] <Maaz> charl: Sure
[07:52] <Kilos> hi Vince-0 
[07:53] <Vince-0> o/
[07:59] <mazal> Grrrrrr
[08:01] <mazal> I'm gonna ask an illegal question now , but it is ubuntu related
[08:01] <mazal> And darkside
[08:02] <mazal> I want to remove file Windows file attributes ( like hidden for example ) from files that is on a usb stick , but I need to do it on a Ubuntu pc. Can it be done ?
[08:03] <ThatGraemeGuy> FAT32? NTFS? exFAT?
[08:04] <mazal> Both , some is FAT32 , some is NTFS
[08:04] <mazal> Different users format different formats
[08:04] <ThatGraemeGuy> ntfs: http://superuser.com/questions/321109/is-there-a-linux-tool-for-changing-dos-windows-file-attributes
[08:05] <mazal> Thax
[08:05] <mazal> Thanx even
[08:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> FAT32: http://blogs.gnome.org/diegoe/2012/04/21/removing-the-hiddensystem-bit-of-vfatfat32-files-on-gnulinux/
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> insert standard, "use with caution" disclaimer :-)
[08:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just googled these, never done it myself
[08:06] <mazal> Thanx greame
[08:07] <mazal> aaaaaaaaaaaag , when Am I gonna learn to spell. Graeme even sorry
[08:07] <ThatGraemeGuy> its ok, people have been spelling it wrong my whole life
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> i've actually added email aliases to compensate
[08:08] <ThatGraemeGuy> graham, greame and grame
[08:16] <Kilos> ai!
[08:17] <Kilos> whew mazal that question disconnected me
[08:17] <Kilos> hexchat didnt show i was ofline
[08:21] <mazal> Oom your pc just hear the word Windows and it disconnects and runs immediately lol :)
[08:25] <Kilos> lol
[08:25] <Kilos> its a weird prob it has. modem shows connected but everything is offline
[08:26] <Kilos> need to diable networking and move modem to another usb socket then enable networking again
[08:26] <Kilos> did you see what i asked about the win stuff
[08:27] <Kilos> mazal, ?
[08:31] <mazal> Nope Kilos , didn't see any question
[08:31] <Kilos> ah i was offline then sorry
[08:31] <Kilos> mazal, i dont know but if you open it what do you see
[08:32] <Kilos> does the view not give you show hidden option
[08:32] <mazal> In Linux I see everything on the sticks. But the problem is it has Windows hidden attributes so in Win pc you can't see the files
[08:33] <mazal> Is exactly the same problem as the guy in that first link Graeme posted
[08:33] <Kilos> ah i didnt see them
[08:33] <mazal> Sticks gets virus. Virus hides all files and folders. 
[08:33] <mazal> Companie's AV can't even see let alone stop or clean the virus
[08:34] <mazal> So I clean the sticks with a bootable AVG cd. But that is linux based
[08:34] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:34] <mazal> After I cleaned the stick I need to reset those attributes.
[08:34] <Kilos> aha
[08:34] <mazal> Is quick and easy to do on my Win pc , but I have found that AVG also doesn't always clean all the virusses en then they climb onto my pc when doing the attributes
[08:35] <Kilos> i think ian has same kinda probs with sticks
[08:35] <mazal> So was looking for a way to do the attributes sommer in Linux
[08:35] <mazal> My pc also only have the companies AV on it , which is useless
[08:35] <Kilos> what does clamtk say about the virus
[08:35] <mazal> clamtk doesn't see the virus also
[08:36] <Kilos> sjoe
[08:36] <mazal> What I have at work: clamtk , Mcafee , MSE
[08:36] <mazal> Neither of those 3 see this particular virus
[08:36] <Kilos> avast?
[08:36] <mazal> The AVG boot cd see it , but doesn't always remove all of it
[08:37] <Kilos> i never liked avg it made the pc run at half speed
[08:37] <mazal> avast doesn't have a good boot cd option. Remember it's the works pc , I am not allowed to just install stuff
[08:37] <mazal> AVG boot cd works great actually
[08:37] <Kilos> oi
[08:37] <mazal> Linux based
[08:38] <mazal> Is a very bad problem to have when your network is not protected and the managers don't want to do anything about it
[08:38] <mazal> I have to clean at least 2 pc's and 10 sticks every day
[08:38] <Kilos> hasnt avg then got a forum for help. im sure they would like to know about it and get a fix going
[08:38] <Kilos> eina
[08:38] <mazal> And I don't even have to tools to do it with
[08:39] <mazal> My only option was the bootable cd one , and AVG is the only one that has manual update as the pc's is not on internet
[08:39] <Kilos> do you get the virus name ever
[08:39] <mazal> Nah , the normal long trojan.warra.warra.warra
[08:40] <mazal> So far only my home pc see and kills it immediately , and there I have Trend on
[08:40] <Kilos> oh wait look at addaware or sometrhing like that
[08:40] <mazal> Not allowed to install stuff oom
[08:40] <Kilos> Maaz, google addaware
[08:40] <Maaz> Kilos: "Ad-Aware Free Antivirus and Antispyware by Lavasoft | Protection ..." http://www.lavasoft.com/ :: "Ad-Aware Free Antivirus+ - Lavasoft" http://www.lavasoft.com/products/ad_aware_free.php :: "Ad-Aware Free Antivirus + - CNET Download.com" http://download.cnet.com/Ad-Aware-Free-Antivirus/3000-8022_4-10045910.html :: "addaware problems. | AfterDawn Discussion
[08:40] <Maaz> Forums" http://forums.afterdawn.com/threads/addaware-problems.747224/ :: "Ad-Aware - Down…
[08:41] <Kilos> no i mean maybe you could get it for a cd as well
[08:41] <mazal> The one day I sat and whatched visibly how it climbs onto my pc and start changing my files on the stick. And both the Mcafee junk and MSE just sits there and does nothing
[08:42] <Kilos> i remember some time back someone had a virus that nothing else fixed and ad aware fixed it
[08:42] <Kilos> wow thats a bad one
[08:42] <mazal> But ya , that is Winsux and bad management issue. Not for this forum
[08:43] <mazal> I just hoped there is easy way to to the attrib in Linux so I don't have to plug it into my Win pc
[08:43] <Kilos> good to know though, im sure everyone has to do with win pcs now and again
[08:43] <Kilos> or even daily
[08:44] <mazal> I hate these Win pc's at work
[08:44] <mazal> I have at home for gaming as well , but at least there I decide what gets installed and I have proper protection on it. Not like here where I have no say , but I have to fix all the issues
[08:44] <Kilos> lol
[08:45] <Kilos> oi
[08:45] <mazal> ok , rant/rave/afpak over
[09:03] <nuvolari> eish. ya. winsux is something I avoid. I turned down a pretty nice offer because the environment is a tad too corporate and one is forced to run windows and use outlook
[09:04] <nuvolari> they were using pretty cutting edge technology for some place that corporate
[09:47] <Kilos> hmm... we got splits again
[09:56] <Spekko> Gotta love this country
[10:03] <Kilos> what now Spekko 
[10:04] <Kilos> the country is great, just some of the peeps suck
[10:06] <Spekko> The peeps that are currently controlling the economical and infrastructural flow of the country are baboons (noracismthough)
[10:06] <Spekko> nigeria has faster internet than we do :/
[10:06] <Spekko> NIGERIA!
[10:06] <Kilos> and kenya
[10:06] <Kilos> and most of the rest of the world
[10:06] <Spekko> http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2012/9/10/1347300037654/Crowded-Oshodi-Market-in--008.jpg
[10:07] <Spekko> fking
[10:07] <Spekko> NIGERIA
[10:07] <Spekko> yip
[10:08] <Spekko> Most of the world has faster internet than we do.. Sure Nigeria doesnt have as peacefull influences as we do. And they don't have as strong an economical growth either (if we have any growth at all, feels like we're going backwards)
[10:09] <Spekko> And I'm aware that there's bigger things happening in the world at the moment, that will probably affect us all
[10:09] <Spekko> BUT
[10:10] <mazal> Everyone is too focused on how rich they can get and how much they can suck out of the consumer in this country , rather than what they can provide to the consumer
[10:10] <Spekko> Nkandla... Really.. I worked my arse off to pay you that tax money. Nkandla... Oh and CAPS Curriculum
[10:11] <Spekko> Yeah okay fair enough, South Africa is filled with a bunch of power hungry bafoons.
[10:11] <Spekko> But do you want to be king of a pile of crap? or do you want to be king to the playboy mansion?
[10:11] <Kilos> yip but we gotta learn to live with it for some years more
[10:12] <Spekko> Nah, when I finish my degree, I'm gonna find myself a nice quiet country, live in some remote location and program and script till my eyes melt.
[10:12] <Kilos> its asn age old story actually. starts with employers paying minimum wages
[10:13] <Kilos> no one seems to realise that happy in their job employees work better
[10:13] <Kilos> and so it goes up the line
[10:14] <Kilos> personal enrichment is the flavour of the day
[10:14] <Spekko> yeah, happy employees are WAY more productive.. And so will your company be.
[10:14] <Spekko> I guess it's just a vicious cycle
[10:14] <Kilos> but its world wide
[10:15] <Kilos> there are strikes and protests everywhere
[10:15] <Spekko> one douche decided to enrich himself to gain controll over others (or w/e) and then a stereotype/prejiduce sprang out, and people started doing things not only for the cause of enriching themselves, but also opressing others.
[10:15] <Spekko> And then the opress, opress the opress :P
[10:16] <Spekko> And so status became more important than community value
[10:17] <Spekko> and who you are, is a means of showing accomplishments, not what you achieved as a team
[10:17] <Spekko> WHOO LOOK AT ME.. I'M PRESIDENT.. And YOU !? You are but a birck layer.
[10:17] <Spekko> WHOO
[10:18] <Spekko> oh.. but my team of brick layers build your Nkandla..
[10:18] <Spekko> Can you do that ?
[10:18] <Spekko> Could you even do that in a team?
[10:19] <Spekko> Just because your bank account reflects your exploits, and your title your alliances with baboons that got elected into power because of World Wide propaganda of "Apartheid" & South Africa.. doesn't mean you acomplished anything you flat nosed escrement of a baboon (Little worked up here soz(
[10:21] <mazal> hehehe , but very true
[10:58] <Kilos> in my inventory or charging , look if its there or lemme just finish installing again please then ill give it to you ok?
[12:32] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice evening
[14:13]  * Kilos goes to kde
[14:25] <Symmetri1> hrm
[14:25] <Symmetri1> can someone do me a favour
[14:25] <Symmetri1> https://get.videolan.org/vlc/2.1.5/win64/vlc-2.1.5-win64.exe.asc?mirrorlist
[14:25] <charl> hi Symmetri1 
[14:25] <Symmetri1> go there and tell me what the top mirror listed is
[14:25] <Symmetri1> (someone in south africa)
[14:26] <Symmetri1> and what the second mirror listed is
[14:37] <bushtech> http://mirror.zol.co.zw/videolan/	ZW MU RE	AF	659.97Km	100%	173
[14:37] <bushtech> #2	http://videolan.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/
[15:04] <Kilos> http://mirror.zol.co.zw/videolan/
[15:05] <Kilos> http://videolan.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/
[15:05] <Kilos> Symmetri1  ^^
[15:30] <Symmetri1> hrm
[15:30] <Symmetri1> ok
[15:30] <Symmetri1> I need them to make kenya primary
[15:40] <nuvolari> \o/ home time
[16:23] <Symmetri1> kilos what was the percentage chance on the za mirror
[16:23] <Kilos> lemme look
[16:24] <Kilos> 100% on the first one and NA on yours
[16:24] <Kilos> not applicable?
[16:24] <Symmetri1> hrm ok will get that fixed
[16:26] <Kilos> Symmetri1  wait i reloaded
[16:27] <Kilos> 1-http://videolan.mirror.neology.co.za/
[16:27] <Symmetri1> hrm, ok, and 2 and 3?
[16:27] <Kilos> 2-http://mirror.zol.co.zw/videolan/
[16:28] <Symmetri1> ok definately need to fix that zw one it should be a 1/2 kenya neology
[16:28] <Symmetri1> to optimize it
[16:28] <Kilos> 3-http://videolan.mirror.liquidtelecom.com/
[16:28] <Kilos> still na
[16:28] <Symmetri1> and leave zimbabwe going to zimbabwe
[18:02] <magespawn> good evening
[18:02] <magespawn> hi Kilos
[18:02] <Kilos> hi my magespawn  hows you?
[18:02] <magespawn> good and you?
[18:02] <Kilos> good too ty
[18:03] <Kilos> ohi ThatGraemeGuy  you came back silently
[18:04] <magespawn> using mint 17 with cinnamon now
[18:04] <magespawn> thought a change might be good
[18:05] <inetpro_> good evening
[18:05] <ThatGraemeGuy> oh hi
[18:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> i just logged on
[18:06] <magespawn> hi inetpro_ 
[18:06] <magespawn> hi ThatGraemeGuy 
[18:06] <inetpro> uh
[18:06] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo magespawn, inetpro
[18:08] <magespawn> now we have another tail just lying around
[18:20] <nuvolari> o/
[18:21] <magespawn> hey nuvolari 
[18:25] <charl> good evening
[18:37] <magespawn> early bed for me. good night all
[19:48] <inetpro> .
[19:49] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: what are you breaking again?
[19:49] <Kilos> lol
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i forgot to enable something
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> i added a protection mod so we don't accidentally damage the reactor building
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> don't want a meltdown
[19:49] <ThatGraemeGuy> you can connect again
[19:49] <inetpro> no stress
[19:53] <inetpro> ThatGraemeGuy: tell us at #minetest-za when it's up again
[19:53] <inetpro> or do you guys have another channel on irc?
[19:53] <Kilos> its up inetpro  
[20:05] <Trixar_za> I never noticed that Debian releases were named after Toy Story characters