[00:00] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, yes
[00:00] <maddawgEOL> i'm looking at that right now
[00:00] <cuddylier> grobe0ba Great thanks
[00:00] <maddawgEOL> i also just got off the phone with them too and they told me to regenerate the MAC for the failover interface as when they changed everything it may have broken ... so i am gonna do that too
[00:01] <ObrienDave> test one fix at a time
[00:01] <grobe0ba> indeed
[00:01] <grobe0ba> one thing at a time.
[00:01] <TJ-> grobe0ba: What I don't understand is why they recommend "gateway X" when they've got "post-up route add default gw X"
[00:01] <grobe0ba> TJ-, they don't
[00:01] <grobe0ba> there is no gateway in that config on their site
[00:01] <grobe0ba> just the route commands
[00:01] <grobe0ba> maddawgEOL, get rid of your gateway line as well
[00:01] <grobe0ba> that shouldn't be there
[00:02] <grobe0ba> and is probably jerking things up
[00:02] <maddawgEOL> ok.. yea i just deleted that too kinda figured it wasnt neccessary
[00:02] <grobe0ba> might i also recommend a provider who doesn't have a shitty networking setup? that change could save you an arm and a leg
[00:02] <grobe0ba> :P
[00:02] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: It wouldn't hurt, but it would be silly
[00:03] <maddawgEOL> also i realized i spelled default wrong too lol
[00:03] <maddawgEOL> i've corrected that
[00:03] <maddawgEOL> and mader it post instead of pre
[00:03] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: What do I use a 'passphrase' for? Would that be manual input?
[00:03] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: It should be pre-down, as I told you the other day ;0
[00:03] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, it's for the encryption on the key
[00:03] <maddawgEOL> other day?
[00:03] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: always tear down in the opposite order to bringing them up
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> this is the first i had this issue
[00:04] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: So it's not manual input I need to keep entering no? Just once?
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> it only broke this am
[00:04] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: Well, unless you're the 2nd person this week with that *exact* same issue at OVH, yes
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> oh yea probably
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> OVH has been crazy this week they migrated everything
[00:04] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, unless you either use an unencrypted key (which is very insecure), or use ssh-agent, you will still have to enter a password each time
[00:04] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: Hmmm, I solved with for someone else a few days ago, exactly the same OVH issue
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> and lots broke
[00:04] <maddawgEOL> yea cuz OVH just made a big switch
[00:04] <cuddylier> grobe0ba Okay thanks
[00:05] <maddawgEOL> so i wouldnt be suprised if someone else is having this problem too lol
[00:05] <TJ-> A big switch? The OFF switch it sounds like
[00:05]  * grobe0ba makes coffee
[00:06] <grobe0ba> TJ-, i thought that's what they SHOULD do....
[00:06] <maddawgEOL> lol possibly TJ- their support is sucky :-(... i'm gonna regenerate my virtual MAC for that interface and hope that is the issue
[00:07] <maddawgEOL> that's what they recommended anyways
[00:09] <Glycan> I'd like to disable networking at night, and make it difficult for myself to turn it back on. Is there any way to do this?
[00:12] <eeee> Glycan: sudo service network-manager stop && get-into-straight-jacket
[00:13] <yalchin-38> Привет всем !!
[00:13] <eeee> !rs | yalchin-38
[00:13] <Glycan> Uh. I disconnected myself by accident and didn't see any answers.
[00:13] <Glycan> I'd like to disable networking at night, and make it difficult for myself to turn it back on. Is there any way to do this?
[00:16] <grobe0ba> Glycan, stop network-manager, and put yourself into a straight jacket
[00:17] <TJ-> Glycan: "man pam_time"
[00:17] <grobe0ba> advice courtesy of eeee
[00:18] <Glycan> eeee, grobe0ba: thanks, but I was thinking of something more software-based. Making a delay before networking turns on, for example
[00:18] <Glycan> TJ-: awesome, thanks
[00:18] <grobe0ba> Glycan, TJ- suggested using the pam_time module for pam
[00:19] <Glycan> what exactly is pam?
[00:19] <grobe0ba> pluggable authentication modules
[00:19] <grobe0ba> it's what control the logins on your computer
[00:19] <TJ-> Glycan: "man 7 pam"
[00:20] <Glycan> pam - portable arbitrary map file format?
[00:20] <grobe0ba> Glycan, the thing you have to remember though, is no matter how complex you make this, a few commands as root can undo all of it
[00:20] <grobe0ba> so unless you forget your root password, it's kind of pointless
[00:20] <Glycan> can I not restrict root's access too?
[00:20] <grobe0ba> man 3 pam
[00:20] <Glycan> grobe0ba: Error: No manual page found
[00:20] <grobe0ba> Glycan, you could, but then if something went wrong and it was vitally important to get access
[00:20] <grobe0ba> then you'd be screwed
[00:20] <grobe0ba> w1
[00:21] <Glycan> grobe0ba: the idea that a couple of other systems use is to not bar access completely, but to enforce a delay, to put the action beyond the "akrasia horizon"
[00:21] <Glycan> e.g. so that you have to wait twenty minutes, or a week
[00:22] <Glycan> (depending on the type of thing) to do it, making it so that you're less inclined to do things you'd regret
[00:22] <cuddylier> Anyone know of a good tutorial for ssh-agent so I do not need to enter my pass phrase?
[00:22] <grobe0ba> Glycan, you seem to have jacked your manpages up
[00:22] <grobe0ba> man 3 pam is def the correct one
[00:22] <Glycan> oh, right, I forgot that I aliased man to pinfo
[00:23] <n8lag> on alocal network. one machine ubuntu no gui no xwindow. other machine windows. how can they chat over the local network? easiest way. ty
[00:23] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, https://gist.github.com/bluegraybox/1998129
[00:23] <grobe0ba> n8lag, what do you mean by chat?
[00:23] <grobe0ba> as in, like IRC?
[00:23] <n8lag> two ppl talk to each other. yes
[00:24] <n8lag> in real time
[00:24] <grobe0ba> install an irc client on both of them
[00:24] <grobe0ba> connect to freenode like you are now
[00:24] <jack_> my keyboard isn't working in chromium. How can I fix this?
[00:24] <n8lag> like 'write' or 'talk' in linux
[00:24] <grobe0ba> join/make a channel
[00:24] <Muchachao> Hi guys, can somebody explain me what "load" means?
[00:24] <grobe0ba> Muchachao, as in system load?
[00:24] <grobe0ba> as in load a module
[00:24] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: Where do I specify the passphrase in the script?
[00:24] <grobe0ba> create a context
[00:25] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, you don't
[00:25] <n8lag> want to stay within local network. is samba easiest way?
[00:25] <grobe0ba> you have to enter it
[00:25] <Muchachao> grobe0ba, yes
[00:25] <grobe0ba> n8lag, samba will help you not at all
[00:25] <Glycan> TJ-, grobe0ba: ~$ /usr/bin/man 3 pam -> No manual entry for pam in section 3
[00:25] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: When I run the script? I ran it and it said
[00:25] <cuddylier> sshagent.sh: 11: sshagent.sh: Syntax error: "}" unexpected
[00:25] <grobe0ba> Glycan, something is screwy then. i checked that an a 14.04 box
[00:25] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, it must be run using bash
[00:26] <grobe0ba> i don't know how you messed it up, 'cause i use that script right out of the box
[00:26] <SilverSlimer> hi guys, i'm wondering whether there was a solution for screen tearing in games with nvidia proprietary in ubuntu 14.04
[00:26] <SilverSlimer> in both unity and gnome 3, the tearing exists
[00:26] <grobe0ba> the best thing to do with it is to paste it into your .bashrc
[00:26] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: I did and it gives the same error
[00:26] <TJ-> Glycan: "man 3 pam" comes from a -dev package ... you want "man 7 pam"
[00:26] <cuddylier> Ah, line 12 now
[00:27] <Pici> Glycan: man 7 pam and man 5 pam are probably what you want.
[00:27] <cuddylier> sshagent.sh: 12: sshagent.sh: Syntax error: "}" unexpected
[00:27] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, like i said, i have no idea what you did to it
[00:27] <Glycan> TJ-: yup, thanks!
[00:27] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: I added #!/bin/bash to the top of it
[00:27] <grobe0ba> it works perfectly fine for me
[00:27] <grobe0ba> no, i mean in general
[00:27] <cuddylier> I just pasted it into a .sh file
[00:28] <grobe0ba> i literally just went cat | bash, pasted it, and it worked fine
[00:28] <n8lag> so theres no simple app to let windows talk with ubuntu within a local network?
[00:28] <grobe0ba> something somewhere on your end is screwy
[00:28] <grobe0ba> n8lag, set up an irc server locally
[00:28] <grobe0ba> there probably is a simple way
[00:28] <grobe0ba> hundreds of them
[00:28] <grobe0ba> use bloody google
[00:28] <n8lag> thats the eassiest way u know?
[00:28] <grobe0ba> we are here to solve OS problems, not use google for you
[00:29] <Glycan> So, is there a way to enforce a delay before accessing something?
[00:30] <n8lag> oh well
[00:31] <grobe0ba> Glycan, yeah, set a timer on your watch
[00:31] <Muchachao> would somebody mention my nickname for testing purposes, right after this message, thanks in advance.
[00:31] <grobe0ba> Muchachao, ping
[00:31] <teward> !test > Muchachao
[00:31] <grobe0ba> Glycan, the best i can think of is like TJ- said. pam_time, to disallow logins during a period
[00:32] <Muchachao> grobe0ba, teward thank you guys
[00:32] <grobe0ba> np
[00:32] <grobe0ba> i aim to please, or sometimes just ridicule
[00:33] <Glycan> grobe0ba: the point of technology is to make my life easier. Setting a watch is more difficult than something done automatically. Moreover, I cannot really enforce watch-setting.
[00:34] <grobe0ba> Glycan, self-control can not be gained by having something do all the work for you
[00:34] <Glycan> so?
[00:34] <grobe0ba> all that does is reinforce the negative behaviour
[00:34] <Glycan> no, it doesn't
[00:34] <Glycan> It doesn't give self-control, but it does solve the problem
[00:35] <seth000> Hello World!
[00:35]  * grobe0ba goes to steal sugar for his coffee
[00:35] <Glycan> Denying myself the possibility of doing something (using the internet) is an excellent way to prevent discration, etc. It doesn't work if I can just renable it.
[00:36] <TJ-> Glycan: Turn the PC off!
[00:36] <Glycan> TJ-: Not enforcable.
[00:36] <TJ-> Glycan: this is not a technical problem, it is a user problem :)
[00:36] <grobe0ba> indeed. PEBKAC
[00:37] <Glycan> So what?
[00:37] <Glycan> I take it you think that software for users with disabilities is useless, too.
[00:37] <grobe0ba> so, go whine to someone else. this is no longer ubuntu related
[00:37] <grobe0ba> not at all
[00:37] <grobe0ba> you don't have a disability
[00:37] <eeee> Glycan: i can think of a million ways.. but i feel ridiculous
[00:37] <Glycan> eeee: why?
[00:38] <Glycan> grobe0ba: I'm asking how to do a specific thing, on Ubuntu.
[00:38] <grobe0ba> here's one, really hard to reverse
[00:38] <grobe0ba> sudo rm -rf /
[00:38] <eeee> lol
[00:38] <grobe0ba> that'll fix you up. _AND_ it's a one-liner
[00:38] <Glycan> grobe0ba: how nice of you
[00:39] <grobe0ba> Glycan, inorite? i'm the master of great advice for idiots
[00:39] <Glycan> really, the veritable epitome of courtesy
[00:39] <missvaleska> DON'T TRN THAST
[00:40] <cuddylier> How do I add a port to the ssh-copy-id id@server command?
[00:40] <cuddylier> oh think I got it
[00:40] <grobe0ba> cuddylier: read the man page
[00:40] <cuddylier> yeah
[00:40] <Glycan> eeee: what did you mean?
[00:51] <TJ-> Glycan: How about "modprobe xt_time && iptables -I OUTPUT 1 -m time --timestart 22:00 --timestop 07:00 -j DROP"
[00:53] <Thedarkb> hello
[00:53] <CajunTechie> Hi Thedarkb. How goes it?
[00:53] <Thedarkb> CajunTechie: Disregard I was in the wrong channel
[00:54] <eeee> Glycan: .. cp your shadow file, disable your user's account in the cp'd file, disable networking & set up a command to switch the shadow files after some time.
[00:55] <CajunTechie> lol ok
[00:55] <eeee> (i meant after you disable networking, set the command up, and then manually switch the files so you dont have acces anymore)
[00:57] <Glycan> uhm
[01:02] <Glycan> eeee: there isn't anything stoping me from switching the shadow files myself, is therE?
[01:02] <Glycan> there*
[01:02] <eeee> Glycan: you'd still be able to access that one terminal that has sudo enabled (which has the command running)
[01:03] <eeee> i think you could write something that wouldn't let you ctrl+c or ctrl+z it
[01:03] <Glycan> Oh, right, I could set up the permissions so that I didn't have the rights
[01:03] <Glycan> Very nice!
[01:05] <TJ-> What happens if there's a power glitch or freeze-up?
[01:05] <eeee> that's when a liveusb comes in handy
[01:05] <eeee> :D
[01:12] <Glycan> TJ-: could you explain the command you posted earlier?
[01:13] <grobe0ba> Glycan, it loads the xt_time module for iptables, then between the hours of 22 and w/e it drops all outbound packets
[01:14] <grobe0ba> you'd still be able to issue an iptables -F to get rid of it though
[01:14] <maddawgEOL> finally
[01:14] <maddawgEOL> OVH finally figured out it was a problem on their end... those idiots
[01:15] <maddawgEOL> i've been discussing it with them since 8am and they kept telling me it was me and all this crap... now they finally figured out it was them all day... i wish i could get money back
[01:15] <Glycan> grobe0ba: is that persistant?
[01:16] <grobe0ba> Glycan, no
[01:16] <grobe0ba> but it can be made to be
[01:16] <grobe0ba> maddawgEOL, just cancel service asap
[01:16] <grobe0ba> i've had no problems with DigitalOcean
[01:16] <TJ-> Glycan: The iptables command/
[01:16] <TJ-> ?
[01:17] <grobe0ba> Amazon EC2 is expensive (relatively speaking), but has incredible infrastructure (ofc)
[01:17] <grobe0ba> TJ-, already explained
[01:17] <maddawgEOL> i think i will grobe0ba
[01:17] <TJ-> ahhh... was away :)
[01:17] <maddawgEOL> this is the first time i've ever needed their support on anything tho
[01:17] <grobe0ba> maddawgEOL, also, if you really need a gui, you can install x2go after getting it going
[01:17] <TJ-> maddawgEOL: glad to hear it :)
[01:18] <maddawgEOL> otherwise it's been fine...  I dont really need a GUI... the only reason i was doing it on that ubuntu desktop was cuz it was  a VM i already had working
[01:18] <maddawgEOL> i had been using SME-server which was pretty cool
[01:18] <maddawgEOL> but they fed me the "we dont support that" line... and then I tried ubuntu server but couldnt get it to install without a working network config
[01:19] <cuddylier> How do I update 12.10 to 14.04? I can't find anything on Google on how to actually do it
[01:19] <maddawgEOL> once i couldnt get ubuntu desktop to work I knew something else was up... so for sh*ts and giggles i decided to try it with Windows server 2008 and same issue
[01:20] <maddawgEOL> so at that point i started getting mad at them and started screaming at the french dude and he then escalelated to some engineer who saw the problem... hell if they did that the first 10 times  iasked i wouldnt be mad
[01:21] <maddawgEOL> i might get digital ocean if it's afforable.. i've herard good things before from them
[01:21] <TJ-> !eol-upgrade
[01:21] <maddawgEOL> but they doint offer enough disk space grobe0ba :-(
[01:21] <maddawgEOL> i need at least 4TB
[01:21] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | cuddylier
[01:22] <grobe0ba> maddawgEOL, Amazon EC2
[01:22] <OEP> If I can't check out a particular branch on LP, do I report that as a bug on that package?
[01:22] <grobe0ba> as much disk space as you could ever use
[01:23] <Bashing-om> cuddylier: Yiu can, but don't //  12.10 ->13.04->13.10->14.04 .. EOL releases, long hard road, with many pitfalls and lots of bandwidth, Clean install 14.04 and be done with it.
[01:23] <cuddylier> Bashing-om I might just do that but have so many files on this VPS
[01:24] <Bashing-om> cuddylier: As oft refrained ,,, good backups ! There is no substitute, huh ?
[01:25] <cuddylier> Bashing-om This VPS is a backup VPS so it has 500gb worth of data on it
[01:25] <maddawgEOL> grobe0ba, yea tried them... cant pull from it fast enough for what i need...  I need to be able to transcode media on the fly and stream it, when i pointed to the ec2 it just couldnt keep up
[01:25] <grobe0ba> maddawgEOL, were you using one of their high-end machines?
[01:25] <Bashing-om> cuddylier: Good luck .
[01:25] <maddawgEOL> oh no i was just using their storage options
[01:26] <grobe0ba> using guaranteed IO rates with one of their cuda machines should give you super-throughput
[01:26] <maddawgEOL> i didnt get a whole machine...
[01:26] <grobe0ba> oh
[01:26] <grobe0ba> there's you're problem
[01:26] <maddawgEOL> yea... it might be a bit out of my price range :-(
[01:26] <grobe0ba> trying to do transcoding and streaming from a remote FS is not feasible with current networking
[01:26] <grobe0ba> not over a WAN link at least
[01:26] <grobe0ba> LAN, yes. WAN, no
[01:26] <maddawgEOL> yea
[01:27] <maddawgEOL> i thought it would work considering i am able to webdav at close to 75MB/s to my cloud
[01:27] <maddawgEOL> and from my cloud as well
[01:27] <fdassdff> Dumb question: I've got a dovecot and the installed version when I run apt-cache policy is "Installed: 1:2.2.9-1ubuntu2.1".  Is that running dovecot2 or dovecot 1?
[01:27] <jakesyl> hey when i add a user do they get there own home directory and everything?
[01:27] <fdassdff> *I've got dovecot installed, and the installed eversion
[01:27] <maddawgEOL> full gigiabit down and up on my dedi, and speed test gave me roughly between 200 and 500mbps at various times
[01:27] <maddawgEOL> to my cloud storage that is
[01:28] <jakesyl> that was probably a stupid question, also on an ubuntu server can more then one person ssh into their account at the same time?
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> but i think it has more to do with the transcoder but not posiitve
[01:28] <eeee> jakesyl: yeah
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> jakeyes
[01:28] <eeee> (they get their home dir)
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> yes
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> *
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> well if it's the SAME account it will just be another TTY
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> same home directory
[01:28] <maddawgEOL> it's jsut like running another shell basically
[01:29] <maddawgEOL> if i am not mistaken
[01:29] <fdassdff> Really I just need to know how to parse Ubuntu version strings
[01:29] <asaa> I'm trying to install Java for my web browser but nothing is working. I followed the instructions on the oracle website. Can someone here help me get it running?
[01:29] <TJ-> fdassdff: version 2.2.9
[01:29] <maddawgEOL> possibly asaa
[01:30] <asaa> maddawgEOL: thank you!
[01:30] <maddawgEOL> you want to use the oracle version? and are you just looking for the Runtime?
[01:30] <jakesyl> okay so from the command line, how do i tell if an account exists
[01:30] <asaa> maddawgEOL: I just want this java applet to load
[01:30] <fdassdff> TJ-, long time no see ;)  So what does the "1:" mean at the beginning of the string?  And the "2.1" at the end?
[01:30] <asaa> maddawgEOL: so I guess the runtime
[01:30] <maddawgEOL> jakesyl, you could do this: cut -d: -f1 /etc/passwd
[01:31] <maddawgEOL> should list all the users i believe
[01:31] <TJ-> jakesyl: "getent passwd tjr || echo "no such account"  "
[01:31] <maddawgEOL> asaa ok.. what have you tried thus far?
[01:32] <maddawgEOL> asaa, did you download the file directly from oracle's site?
[01:32] <asaa> maddawgEOL: Downloaded rpm from java.com, converted it and installed it. That's it. I also checked the store and some versions of java are already installed.
[01:32] <maddawgEOL> ah you downloaded the rpm
[01:32] <maddawgEOL> thats the wrong build for ubuntu
[01:32] <maddawgEOL> you need one that is a .deb
[01:32] <maddawgEOL> rpm is for redhtat like systems
[01:32] <asaa> maddawgEOL: I don't see a .deb on the oracle website.
[01:33] <maddawgEOL> do they have a tar.gz? asa
[01:33] <maddawgEOL> asaa*
[01:33] <jakesyl> maddawgEOL do i have to be root for that/creating accounts?
[01:33] <asaa> maddawgEOL: yes.
[01:33] <maddawgEOL> grab that one
[01:33] <maddawgEOL> but for the x64 if they have one
[01:33] <asaa> maddawgEOL: downloading now
[01:33] <maddawgEOL> then tar -xvf <filename>.tar.gz
[01:33] <asaa> maddawgEOL: alright
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> jakesyl, for creating i think you need to be sudo
[01:34] <jakesyl> just sudo, not su?
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> jakesyl, however i dont know about listing that directory... i'm guessing probably
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> sudo
[01:34] <jakesyl> k
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> su is to switch user
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> sudo is to do something with root permissions
[01:34] <maddawgEOL> you shouldnt really ever have to login as root (or SU to root)
[01:35] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, sudo means 'superuser do'
[01:35] <asaa> maddawgEOL: I unpacked the archive. File is sitting in a directory. What do I do now?
[01:35] <grobe0ba> su can also run things as another user however
[01:35] <grobe0ba> su - user -c 'command'
[01:35] <jakesyl> sorry on mac su does something
[01:35] <jakesyl> sudo su
[01:35] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, the su will allow you to become root
[01:35] <maddawgEOL> asaa, i'd move it to /usr/lib now...
[01:35] <grobe0ba> however, that is usually a bad idea
[01:35] <grobe0ba> it's better to preface commands with sudo
[01:35] <maddawgEOL> asaa, sudo mkdir -p /usr/lib/jvm
[01:35] <grobe0ba> which means 'do something as root'
[01:35] <k1l> dont sudo su. that is just plain not ubuntu way
[01:35] <asaa> maddawgEOL: thanks
[01:36] <asaa> cd /usr/lib/jvm/
[01:36] <asaa> ls
[01:36] <asaa> ls
[01:36] <asaa> oops
[01:36] <asaa> haha
[01:36] <unopaste> asaa you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[01:36] <TJ-> fdassdff: See https://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[01:36] <maddawgEOL> sudo mv ./jdk /usr/lib/jvm/
[01:36] <fdassdff> TJ-, thanks somuch
[01:36] <maddawgEOL> replace the ./jdk with whatever the unzipped file is
[01:36] <jakesyl> hey maddawg this is what i got when i ran your command: root
[01:36] <jakesyl> daemon
[01:36] <jakesyl> bin
[01:36] <jakesyl> sys
[01:36] <jakesyl> sync
[01:36] <jakesyl> games
[01:36] <jakesyl> man
[01:37] <unopaste> jakesyl you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[01:37] <maddawgEOL> i dont remember what version they use now but it should have created a jdk file of some name or sort
[01:37] <TJ-> fdassdff: And for Ubuntu packages: http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/ubuntu-policy/policy.html/ch-controlfields.html#s-f-Version
[01:37] <maddawgEOL> directory*
[01:37] <fdassdff> TJ-, you're brilliant, thank you
[01:38] <jakesyl> I'm so sorry my command key doesn't always work and i meant to paste this: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/c1c1f24c38d6042bb04e I can't beleive i did that
[01:38] <maddawgEOL> asaa, check out this:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-sun-oracles-proprietary-java-jdk-6-7-8-or-jre
[01:39] <maddawgEOL> actually asaa this is more for you... http://askubuntu.com/questions/56104/how-can-i-install-sun-oracles-proprietary-java-jdk-6-7-8-or-jre/56119#56119
[01:39] <maddawgEOL> that's for the runtime
[01:43] <Dat> So on a new ubuntu system i wouldn't be able to install mysql-server 5.0?
[01:43] <maddawgEOL> Dat: what... of course you can
[01:43] <grobe0ba> Dat, what makes you say that
[01:43] <maddawgEOL> I worked with a guy named Dat before
[01:44] <Dat> grobe0ba: I tried to do an apt-get install mysql-server-5.0
[01:44] <Dat> but its refering me to 5.5
[01:44] <maddawgEOL> dat: sudo apt-get install mysql-server
[01:44] <maddawgEOL> it's probably cuz 5.0 is no longer the newest one
[01:45] <Dat> I need 5.0
[01:45] <Dat> not the newest one
[01:45] <maddawgEOL> https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/mysql.html
[01:45] <maddawgEOL> why 5.0?
[01:45] <jakesyl> hey, my application uses ssh and there's a good chance that people will be able to see the source code and ssh if they want to, can someone point me to documentation on how to, from terminal not let them go sudo, or do anything like apt-get
[01:45] <Dat> for testing
[01:45] <maddawgEOL> you may have to download it then from the developer
[01:45] <Dat> ok thats what I thought
[01:45] <Dat> thx
[01:46] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, unless you add them to your sudoers, or to groups allowed to use sudo or su, they can't
[01:46] <grobe0ba> that HAS to been done by you
[01:46] <maddawgEOL> http://downloads.mysql.com/archives/community/
[01:46] <grobe0ba> nothing automatic will do that
[01:46] <maddawgEOL> Dat: http://downloads.mysql.com/archives/community/
[01:46] <Dat> thx
[01:46] <kenlik> On my Ubuntu 13.10 i can't install a plugin to Google Chrome browser. My java version "1.7.0_55" (OpenJDK). When a check my Java version from the browser the message appears "this plugin is not supported" ..
[01:46] <kenlik> How to fix it?
[01:46] <maddawgEOL> the earliest they go is 5.0.17a
[01:46] <jakesyl> and theres nothing they can do to damage the rest of the server?
[01:47] <maddawgEOL> well depends on permissions jakesyl
[01:47] <maddawgEOL> but normally without being in sudoers they cant make big system changes
[01:47] <jakesyl> i literally want them to be able to copy files to and from the server
[01:47] <maddawgEOL> however they could in theory delete files they have permission to delete
[01:47] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, they can do that to and from their home directories
[01:48] <grobe0ba> and /tmp
[01:48] <grobe0ba> otherwise, unless you specifically grant permissions, that's all they can do
[01:48] <jakesyl> okay thanks!
[01:48] <maddawgEOL> ideally they should only upload to their own directories... unless yo uhave some special requirement for them to use the same directory
[01:49] <MrAristo> Is there any work-around for nouveau causing system crashes in 14.04LTS release?  My searching has not yielded any decent results.
[01:49] <maddawgEOL> i believe you can even prevent the users from being able to even login to a shell
[01:49] <maddawgEOL> tho i've never done that cuz i've never had the need
[01:51] <jakesyl> when i sudo adduser why does it ask me for a room number
[01:51] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, thats part of the GECOS information
[01:51] <grobe0ba> it's safe to hit enter
[01:52] <grobe0ba> if all you need them to have it a home directory, you could also simple `sudo useradd -m username`
[01:52] <grobe0ba> then set their password using `passwd`
[01:52] <OerHeks> i cannot find any 64 bit mint server iso.
[01:53] <grobe0ba> OerHeks, i would ask around in the mint channel then
[01:53] <grobe0ba> this is #ubuntu
[01:55] <Bashing-om> kenlik: Release 13.10 is End_Of_Lofe, and no longer has support, the rpository has been turned away.
[01:55] <Bashing-om> lofe/life*
[01:55] <grobe0ba> s/rpos/repos/
[01:57] <koell> ive heard gnome-keyring is that buggy to use. rumors?
[01:59] <TeraJL> can anyone check if this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity-control-center/+bug/1349436 happens to anyone else?
[02:00] <jakesyl> for adding a user will the first solution work?
[02:01] <OerHeks> TeraJL, invalid, alt f2 opens bash. so remove that shortkey first
[02:02] <jakesyl> http://askubuntu.com/questions/319714/proper-way-to-add-a-user-account-via-bash-script (this solution)
[02:04] <jakesyl> first question what does -m do?
[02:04] <TJ-> jakesyl: you should always use "adduser" not "useradd"
[02:05] <jakesyl> TJ- what's the difference?
[02:05] <TJ-> jakesyl: "man adduser"
[02:05] <grobe0ba> adduser is basically a wrapper around useradd
[02:06] <grobe0ba> a really annoying one, imho
[02:07] <TJ-> grobe0ba: Not at all! It makes sure system policy is followed and stupid mistakes aren't made, especially as most users rarely need to add a user manually
[02:07] <jakesyl> TJ- searched for -m, found nothing
[02:07] <kenlik> Bashing-om, so sorry but do i need to upgrade ubuntu version to fix this java chrome plugin?
[02:08] <grobe0ba> TJ-, fair enough. i simply know what i want.
[02:09] <Bashing-om> kenlik: You need to get to a supported release, in any event.
[02:09] <TJ-> jakesyl: If you use "adduser" you don't need all those options that "useradd" requires, simply "adduser <username>"
[02:10] <grobe0ba> TJ-, and then it makes me go through and do the gecos information that i don't care about
[02:10] <OerHeks> useradd  -m, --create-home / -M no create the user's home directory,
[02:10] <grobe0ba> whereas i can useradd -m username
[02:10] <jakesyl> does whitespace matter in shell scripting, i'm doing this all as a python subprocess...
[02:10] <grobe0ba> then passwd, and done
[02:10] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, depends on which bits
[02:10] <grobe0ba> and what shell
[02:10] <grobe0ba> not all shells are equal
[02:11] <jakesyl> not really sure what that means, an ubuntu shell a .sh script, here's the script: https://gist.github.com/jakesyl/b3662db00c9fe3ab05a2
[02:11] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, so you're writing in bash
[02:12] <kenlik> Bashing-om, Ok!
[02:12] <grobe0ba> since ubuntu doesnt actually hash sh
[02:12] <grobe0ba> s/hash/have/
[02:12] <jakesyl> so is hash whitespace sensitive?
[02:12] <cuddylier> Do I do the response suggested here: http://serverfault.com/questions/241588/how-to-automate-ssh-login-with-password on the backup VPS or the actual node?
[02:12] <jakesyl> bash*
[02:12] <TeraJL> OerHeks: it's alt+2 and the problem happens with any hotkey
[02:12] <cuddylier> The backup VPS being the thing I want to be able to connect to the main node
[02:12] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, it depends on which bits
[02:12] <cuddylier> But I don't want main node to connect to backup VPS with SSH keys
[02:13] <jakesyl> what are bits?
[02:13] <Bashing-om> kenlik: : ) .......
[02:13] <grobe0ba> bits and pieces
[02:13] <grobe0ba> parts of it
[02:13] <grobe0ba> things
[02:13] <grobe0ba> and that looks fine
[02:13] <jakesyl> so that script will be fine just putting it in line by line?
[02:13] <grobe0ba> should be, yes
[02:13] <grobe0ba> not sure what you mean by 'line by line'
[02:15] <OerHeks> TeraJL, you are correct, still alt +2 are used by programs, not for desktop.
[02:18] <TJ-> grobe0ba: jakesyl: In scripts I do "sudo adduser --disabled-password --gecos hello test2" to avoid interactive prompts, then "sudo passwd test2" when/if a password needs setting
[02:26] <TJ-> jakesyl: You should use "mkpasswd -m sha-512 <password> <salt-string>" to create the password ... it is a standard part of Debian/Ubuntu, and wraps the crypt(3) function
[02:26] <jakesyl> oh im actually having my php server md5 and then just using that as the ubuntu password should i sha the md5?
[02:27] <ThePentester> yea md5
[02:27] <ThePentester> like that doesnt take 2 seconds to crack
[02:27] <ThePentester> good luck with that
[02:27] <jakesyl> hold on ThePentester, let's see what #security thinks
[02:28] <ThePentester> give me your server ip and ill show ya what i think :)
[02:28] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, md5 was broken years ago
[02:29] <LiENUS> was salted md5 broken?
[02:29] <grobe0ba> they forged CA Root Certificates that use MD5 all the time now
[02:29] <grobe0ba> LiENUS, yup
[02:29] <grobe0ba> MD5 is okay for checking to see if you got a corrupted download
[02:29] <grobe0ba> worthless for tamper-proofing
[02:29] <grobe0ba> SHA1 is the standard
[02:29] <jakesyl> tfw no one told me ;( tfw when i was 6 when it was broken ;(
[02:30] <LiENUS> i didnt think rainbow tables were usable against properly salted hashes
[02:30] <grobe0ba> brute force + rainbows
[02:30] <jakesyl> it's funny because i have a 400 active user forum with md5, i think i should go fix that...
[02:30] <ThePentester> :D
[02:30] <ThePentester> give me :)
[02:31] <grobe0ba> jakesyl, you were 6 in 2004?
[02:31] <jakesyl> yup i'm 15
[02:31] <grobe0ba> god i feel old
[02:32] <jakesyl> well an 11 year old helped me set up my server the other day
[02:32] <grobe0ba> i really feel old, and you should be embarrassed :P
[02:32] <LiENUS> grobe0ba, isnt sha1 weaker to brute force than md5?
[02:32] <grobe0ba> LiENUS, no
[02:32] <grobe0ba> SHA1 has not been broken
[02:32] <meganerd> grobe0ba: why bother with rainbow tables when you have GPUs and ASICs?
[02:32] <grobe0ba> by brute force or otherwise that i know of
[02:32] <meganerd> grobe0ba: sha1 is not weaker than md5, but still not recommended IIRC
[02:32] <LiENUS> grobe0ba, brute force is dependant on hash function speed, md5 is much slower function compared to sha1
[02:32] <grobe0ba> anyhow, realistically, you should be using SHA256 for everything anyways
[02:33] <jeffreylevesque> I want to dual boot ubuntu on osx
[02:33] <LiENUS> sha256 is a faster function than md5 grobe0ba
[02:33] <grobe0ba> meganerd, i know
[02:33] <LiENUS> so weaker to brute force as well
[02:33] <grobe0ba> LiENUS, meh.
[02:33] <meganerd> LiENUS: except that we have heavily optimised attacks for md5
[02:33] <jeffreylevesque> Will resizing the hard disk main partition possibly result in data loss?
[02:34] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, you're better off using vmware fusion or the like
[02:34] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, not if you use bootcamp to do it
[02:34] <jeffreylevesque> Anyone know what the osx irc is?
[02:34] <LiENUS> meganerd, are those attacks faster  than heavily optimized ones for sha256 though
[02:34] <jeffreylevesque> Bootcamp keeps institing I get a copy of windows
[02:34] <ThePentester> windows is sexy
[02:34] <ThePentester> just not win 8
[02:34] <jeffreylevesque> Haha
[02:35] <jeffreylevesque> I prefer Linux now
[02:35] <jeffreylevesque> If I get a new machine
[02:35] <ThePentester> ubuntu has a lot of flaws
[02:35] <jeffreylevesque> Linux
[02:35] <jeffreylevesque> Osx is nice too
[02:35] <meganerd> LiENUS: why not ask the hashcat people, they are more in the know than I am
[02:36] <LiENUS> ThePentester, win 8 wouldnt be bad if the metro crap was in a seperate os
[02:36] <grobe0ba> LiENUS, to generate a SHA512 collision will take several million years using current hardware. even lots of it
[02:36] <LiENUS> win 8 with classic windows interface and win 8 rt with metro would be fine
[02:36] <jeffreylevesque> I dislike proprietary stuff
[02:36] <grobe0ba> brute forcing is not a worry
[02:36] <jeffreylevesque> Product key, support, phone calls
[02:36] <grobe0ba> also, just use FreeBSD
[02:36] <grobe0ba> all the greatest things, none of the drawbacks of Linux
[02:37] <swift110> Hey guys
[02:37] <meganerd> grobe0ba: except that FreeBSD is not exactly usable :)
[02:37] <grobe0ba> meganerd, what have you been smoking?
[02:37] <meganerd> grobe0ba: I meant OpenBSD
[02:37] <LiENUS> grobe0ba, collision != brute forcing a password
[02:37] <LiENUS> not even close
[02:37] <ThePentester> jakesyl, just secure your code, and keep your server up to date. also never everrrr use wordpress. and youll be fine
[02:37] <grobe0ba> it's development branches are more stable than any ubuntu/debian release
[02:37] <meganerd> grobe0ba: if you think Linux has hardware compatability issues, run BSD
[02:37] <grobe0ba> meganerd, i'm not trying to play games
[02:37] <maddawgEOL> grobe0ba, I was just checking out the servers on amazon ec2.. I guess i might be confused of how their pricing works... :-\  Is it not possible to customize the storage for each instance... http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/
[02:37] <LiENUS> to crack an 8 character password with sha256 takes a few days tops
[02:37] <grobe0ba> i want a stable machine for desktop use
[02:37] <grobe0ba> and server use
[02:37] <jeffreylevesque> Anyone know how I can partition osx safely without Bootcamp?
[02:38] <grobe0ba> FreeBSD meets that description
[02:38] <grobe0ba> and supports every piece of hardware i have
[02:38] <jakesyl> ThePentester, ha wordpress i only code my own stuff
[02:38] <meganerd> LiENUS: not if done properly.  This is a way OT discussion.
[02:38] <ThePentester> should give me a link to your site ^.^
[02:38] <ThePentester> i promise i will not break it
[02:38] <jeffreylevesque> I may put my project on kickstarter and say I require assistance with a new laptop
[02:38] <jeffreylevesque> My old osx10.6.8
[02:39] <jeffreylevesque> Anyone see in the news, the kid that never had a potato salad, and got $65,000 on kickstarter
[02:40] <swift110> I have osx 10.6.8 on my mac pro
[02:40] <meganerd> LiENUS: no one sane/knowledgable just uses a hash, there are libraries like scrypt that make orders of magnitude better hashes
[02:40] <LiENUS> meganerd, i'm just refuting the "sha256 more secure than md5" a password that takes 3 days to crack in sha256 takes about 9 in md5 properly salted
[02:40] <jeffreylevesque> This is too old for my needs
[02:41] <jeffreylevesque> But, I may be able to dual boot Ubuntu on it
[02:41] <meganerd> LiENUS: md5 is still bad
[02:41] <LiENUS> meganerd, if properly used its better than modern algorithms like sha256
[02:42] <scuba323> i use ALT+TAB to switch between terminal and chromium when I am coding. the problem I have is when I use it too quickly (forgot to add a " and going back to change :P) I then experience a complete system freeze. It seems that my tab button just spams chromium and it tries to move through any links on the page. which causes my system to crash. it aslo does it with firefox. What is the issue here?
[02:42] <LiENUS> for signing its dead true
[02:42] <meganerd> LiENUS: no one should use either.  If you are doing encyption or hashing yourself, then you are doing it wrong.
[02:42] <grobe0ba> LiENUS, used for ANYTHING, md5 is bad
[02:43] <LiENUS> for password hashes not necessarily, i believe the original topic was regarding password hashes
[02:43] <LiENUS> grobe0ba, so if md5 is bad, sha256 (your recommendation i believe) is far worse
[02:43] <LiENUS> faster to crack hashes via brute force than md5
[02:43] <LiENUS> properly salted md5 hashes take up too much storage space to be practical
[02:44] <LiENUS> for rainbow tables ^
[02:44] <meganerd> LiENUS:  no need to worry about storage space, and a salt does not protect you from GPUs and ASICs, this thinking is about 5 years out of date
[02:44] <somsip> LiENUS: grobe0ba: can you take the offtopic chat about hashing elsewhere please?
[02:44] <saiarcot895> LiENUS: you sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-2
[02:45] <LiENUS> meganerd, storage space on the order of petabytes (8 character passwords require 32 petabytes of space for a rainbow table) is too expensive, and GPUS and ASICS that can crack md5s quickly, crack sha256 even faster
[02:45] <grobe0ba> somsip, it depends, are you going to whine to the people that are still talking about it?
[02:45] <grobe0ba> or the guy advocating good security practices?
[02:45] <somsip> grobe0ba: I'm asknig politely. You can either be nice and stick to channel guidelines, or be a dick. Your choice.
[02:45] <meganerd> LiENUS: https://crackstation.net/hashing-security.htm
[02:46] <jeffreylevesque> I need to configure my Ubuntu Server.  It currently doesn't serve up pages from my web application - https://github.com/jeff1evesque/audio-analyzer/issues/372
[02:46] <grobe0ba> somsip, i prefer to be a dick, since i don't care if i get kicked. i help out here because it's interesting sometimes.
[02:47] <meganerd> jeffreylevesque: /var/log/apache2/error.log
[02:48] <jeffreylevesque> Thank you
[02:48] <SerpentX> hi
[02:49] <SerpentX> i have a ubuntu 12.10
[02:49] <SerpentX> that i failed to upgrade before EOL
[02:49] <SerpentX> i changed the sources.list
[02:49] <SerpentX> from ca.ubuntu.com to old-release.ubuntu.com
[02:49] <SerpentX> same with security
[02:49] <SerpentX> then i did apt-get update and upgrade
[02:49] <SerpentX> then i do the do-distupgrade
[02:49] <SerpentX> is this right?
[02:50] <SerpentX> i'd like to get it to like 14.04 lts
[02:50] <FredddyTom> what's the ubuntu equivilent of visio?
[02:51] <IdleOne> SerpentX: do-release-upgrade
[02:51] <Ben64> SerpentX: i'm not sure there is an easy way to get from 12.10 to 14.04, thats 3 versions away, might be easier to install 14.04 fresh
[02:51] <SerpentX> ya
[02:51] <SerpentX> idleone
[02:51] <SerpentX> thats what i'm at
[02:51] <IdleOne> SerpentX: Ben64 is right, better to do a clean install
[02:51] <SerpentX> dammit
[02:52] <SerpentX> are u guys sure? i'm at the screen it says
[02:52] <SerpentX> 700+ progs to be updated
[02:52] <Ben64> what does it say exactly?
[02:52] <SerpentX> 146 new packages are going to be installed. 735 packages are going to
[02:52] <SerpentX> be upgraded.
[02:52] <Ben64> does it say what version it is upgrading to?
[02:52] <Ben64> normally 12.10 would upgrade only to 13.04
[02:52] <SerpentX> ya
[02:52] <SerpentX> it doesn't say
[02:53] <SerpentX> but i think
[02:53] <SerpentX> its suppose to goto 13.10
[02:53] <SerpentX> then to 14.04
[02:53] <Bashing-om> SerpentX: -> sudo do-release-upgrade ; repeat .....-> 13.04 ->13.10->14.04 finally (maybe), a lot of time effort and bandwidth !
[02:53] <SerpentX> its only 300mb
[02:53] <IdleOne> SerpentX: from 12.10 do-release-upgrade will take you to 13.04 which is EOL, 13.10 is also EOL. So this means you would have to do a total of 3 do-release-upgrade's to get to 14.04
[02:53] <SerpentX> i'm 8 hours away form the server
[02:53] <SerpentX> i'm fine with that
[02:53] <IdleOne> Go for it
[02:53] <IdleOne> :)
[02:53] <SerpentX> whats the fail chance?
[02:54] <daftykins> high
[02:54] <grobe0ba> normally, i'd say liek 10%
[02:54] <SerpentX> what would go wrong?
[02:54] <grobe0ba> like this, 80%
[02:54] <grobe0ba> SerpentX, 10,000+1 different things
[02:54] <Ben64> SerpentX: in the future you should really stick to LTS releases for servers. 5 years support
[02:54] <grobe0ba> well, (10000+1)^3
[02:54] <SerpentX> ya i screwed up i guess
[02:55] <saiarcot895> SerpentX: or upgrade before something goes EOL
[02:55] <daftykins> SerpentX: backup before you start
[02:55] <SerpentX> frig i'm nervous now
[02:56] <SerpentX> so if i were to go up there
[02:56] <SerpentX> the 14.04 cd
[02:56] <SerpentX> wouldn't just automagically update everything right?
[02:56] <SerpentX> i would have to reformat and start fresh?
[02:56] <Ben64> right
[02:57] <IdleOne> SerpentX: you don't have to format. You can have the installer use the same /home
[02:57] <grobe0ba> but you'd still lose your packages and what not
[02:57] <IdleOne> SerpentX: you really should do a backup to make sure you don't lose anything important
[02:57] <grobe0ba> zfs snapshot
[02:57] <grobe0ba> errr, wait
[02:57] <grobe0ba> Linux
[02:57] <grobe0ba> nm
[02:59] <SerpentX> sigh..
[02:59] <SerpentX> ok so i guess i've decided
[02:59] <SerpentX> to wait until i go up there
[02:59] <SerpentX> i'm prob genna do the tripple dist upgrade
[03:00] <SerpentX> after i do a manual backup
[03:00] <qwebirc32834> hi, having trouble with grub and software raid 0 here
[03:02] <TJ-> qwebirc32834: You'll need to tell us precise details if you want help :)
[03:02] <cloudrf> #linux-friends
[03:03] <SerpentX> i just want all u to know i'm cryin on the inside
[03:03] <jeffreylevesque> meganerd: I took note of it (https://github.com/jeff1evesque/audio-analyzer/issues/372#issuecomment-50567870), and will check the logs shortly
[03:04] <jeffreylevesque> Thank you
[03:08] <NilBud> got a strange error. "This location could not be displayed. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "SDCARD" " Any ideas?
[03:09] <thierry> detach
[03:10] <NilBud> dur. did nto even think of that. Thanks.
[03:10] <cuddylier> Anyone any idea why my cronjobs aren't running?
[03:11] <cuddylier> 09 04 * * * screen -S creative -s bash -p 0 -X stuff "`printf "\015sh /home/spartanmc/backup.sh\r"`"
[03:11] <cuddylier> I have that as a cronjob and it didn't run at 04:09
[03:11] <cuddylier> According to 'date'
[03:12] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, are you sure your system time is correct?
[03:12] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: Do you mean 'date'?
[03:12] <cuddylier> I set it to UK time
[03:12] <cuddylier> Or is crontab using some other time
[03:13] <grobe0ba> no, crontab is using that time
[03:13] <cuddylier> Wed Jul 30 04:13:02 CDT 2014
[03:13] <grobe0ba> i see a problem though
[03:13] <cuddylier> Is what 'date' says
[03:13] <grobe0ba> "`"
[03:13] <grobe0ba> that is wrong
[03:13] <grobe0ba> at the end
[03:13] <grobe0ba> actually
[03:13] <cuddylier> I tried even /home/spartanmc/backup.sh
[03:13] <grobe0ba> the whole thing is wrong
[03:13] <cuddylier> And it didn't run
[03:13] <grobe0ba> you aren't escaping your quotes
[03:13] <grobe0ba> also, don't run is in screen
[03:13] <cuddylier> That command surprisingly works somehow on another crontab I have on another box
[03:13] <grobe0ba> s/is/it/
[03:13] <Jeffrey_f> had rsyslog running and reporting to another system and it has been working well.  This system has been off-premise for a while today, what will happen when I get back onto the lan????  Will is just rush the server with the logs?
[03:14] <grobe0ba> there is no need to run it in screen
[03:14] <jeffreylevesque> Anyone know of any neural network irc channels?
[03:14] <cuddylier> I did that to try and debug
[03:14] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, check the mail for the root account
[03:14] <grobe0ba> it'll tell you why cron is unhappy
[03:15] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: Where do I find the mail folder? I can't see it anywhere
[03:15] <cuddylier> Ah
[03:16] <cuddylier> It's empty
[03:16] <cuddylier> ./var/mail
[03:16] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, wrong
[03:16] <grobe0ba> run the mail command as root
[03:17] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: What should I select: http://puu.sh/awRMA/cf3c0aee65.png
[03:17] <grobe0ba> what did you run?
[03:18] <cuddylier> 'mail'
[03:18] <cuddylier> But didn't have it
[03:18] <cuddylier> So had to do apt-get install mailutils
[03:18] <grobe0ba> go with local only
[03:18] <grobe0ba> i hate ubuntu
[03:19] <jeffreylevesque> cuddylier: How did you attach an image to irc?
[03:20] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, he didn't
[03:20] <grobe0ba> he put it on a web site
[03:20] <grobe0ba> and pasted a link
[03:20] <jeffreylevesque> Oh, im on my iPhone
[03:20] <jeffreylevesque> Renders as a picture
[03:21] <grobe0ba> what client?
[03:21] <cuddylier> Oh okay
[03:24] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: colloquy
[03:25] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: Got logging working:
[03:25] <cuddylier> Permission denied, please try again.
[03:25] <cuddylier> Permission denied, please try again.
[03:25] <cuddylier> Permission denied (publickey,password).
[03:25] <cuddylier> but when I run the script in command line it works fine
[03:25] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: It cost like $5.  I thought I was cool last year.
[03:26] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, it's trying to run ssh for some reason
[03:26] <cuddylier> Ah sec
[03:26] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, yah
[03:26] <grobe0ba> if you decide to IRC on your phone a lot, Palaver is much better
[03:27] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: I will check that now, thank you!
[03:27] <cuddylier> think I got it now, will try
[03:27] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, np
[03:33] <cuddylier> How do I paste something into something requesting an input in a bash script?
[03:34] <reisio> cuddylier: any particular something?
[03:34] <cuddylier> reisio: a word
[03:34] <reisio> what about the other something
[03:34] <cuddylier> I run a command that requests an input basically
[03:34] <cuddylier> ssh-add /root/.ssh/id_rsa
[03:34] <cuddylier> that
[03:34] <cuddylier> As it appears that when I do it, it doesn't save in the cronjob so I need to it to my script
[03:35] <reisio> cuddylier: so you want to send it the passphrase?
[03:35] <cuddylier> I want to send the passphrase yeah
[03:35] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, use expect
[03:35] <grobe0ba> man expect
[03:36] <reisio> mmm
[03:36] <reisio> although, it's not great to type out a passphrase in plain text
[03:37] <reisio> where it sits in any number of buffers
[03:37] <grobe0ba> yeah
[03:37] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, you're better off removing the encryption from your keys than doing it like that though
[03:37] <cuddylier> Mhm
[03:38] <reisio> well, I don't know about better off, but it would be _less of a waste of time_
[03:38] <reisio> given a reduction in security either way
[03:38] <cuddylier> How do I remove the encryption
[03:38] <reisio> the sane way would be to have it ask you for any passwords up front and take them not in plain text blah blah blah
[03:38] <reisio> but that'd be properly involved :p
[03:39] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, openssl rsa -in ~/.ssh/id_rsa -nodes
[03:39] <grobe0ba> it'll ask for the passphrase, then output it without encryption
[03:40] <grobe0ba> i would -out id_rsa-noenc  to it
[03:40] <cuddylier> So add that as a command to my script?
[03:40] <grobe0ba> and then have w/e is calling ssh use -i to specify which key to use
[03:40] <grobe0ba> no
[03:40] <grobe0ba> you run that once
[03:40] <reisio> I'd... do something else
[03:41] <reisio> decide whether you want to be secure and use ssh properly
[03:41] <reisio> or decide you don't want to be secure... and _don't_ use something with 'secure' in its name
[03:41] <reisio> don't sit on fences
[03:43] <kz> anyone a ble to help me with setting up ubuntu? just installed it yesterady
[03:44] <kz> 2 days back
[03:44] <grobe0ba> what exactly do you need help with
[03:44] <kz> im trying to install usb wireless drivers from install.sh but it wont run
[03:44] <kz> and also sudo apt-get xchat but it cant find the file
[03:45] <kz> i get the same result when i type in a filename that doesnt exist too
[03:45] <cuddylier> Okay, how do I remove the passphrase then
[03:45] <grobe0ba> since you are just getting started dont use apt get
[03:45] <grobe0ba> use synaptic from a gui
[03:45] <kz> cant find it in the  search thing either
[03:45] <grobe0ba> cuddylier: thats what i had you do
[03:45] <kz> cant find synaptic
[03:45] <cuddylier> o
[03:46] <grobe0ba> now tou have to tell ssh to use that file
[03:46] <eeee> kz: use software center , in the dash
[03:46] <grobe0ba> kz: search for package
[03:46] <grobe0ba> or that
[03:46] <grobe0ba> forgot about that
[03:46] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: When I am generating a ssh key, I generate it on the source server don't I then I send the key to the backup VPS, right?
[03:47] <grobe0ba> you send the public key
[03:47] <cuddylier> Then only the backup VPS can access it via keys?
[03:47] <cuddylier> Yeah so I do ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048 on the source server
[03:47] <cuddylier> The one i want to backup
[03:47] <eeee> kz: go to software & updates, in the dash, and check the "universe" repository, then let it update the list of packages available
[03:47] <grobe0ba> public key goea to remote
[03:47] <cuddylier> Okay then the key gets sent to my backup vps
[03:47] <cuddylier> Which has the script on it
[03:47] <grobe0ba> private key stays at home
[03:47] <cuddylier> Yeah, ssh-copy-id
[03:47] <cuddylier> I use that
[03:48] <cuddylier> to send it to my backup vps
[03:48] <eeee> kz: (it has some nice software)
[03:48] <cuddylier> That then uses rsync to pull the data from the source box
[03:48] <grobe0ba> sounds about right
[03:48] <cuddylier> that's right yeah?
[03:48] <cuddylier> good
[03:48] <grobe0ba> but make sure you send the unencrypted key
[03:48] <cuddylier> I just got a bit confused thinking of which one I do the ssh keys on
[03:48] <grobe0ba> or it wont work
[03:48] <grobe0ba> there is a key on both
[03:49] <grobe0ba> one system needs the private key
[03:49] <grobe0ba> the one you are connecting to needs the public key
[03:51] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: if I setup the ssh keys on the source box though, that means if someone hacks the source box then they can access my backup box
[03:51] <cuddylier> Surely it should be the other way around
[03:51] <poobutt> win 3
[03:52] <OERIAS> Is the Raspberry Pi port still in the works?
[03:52] <grobe0ba> cuddylier: which is connecting to which?
[03:52] <cuddylier> The backup VPS is connecting to my general server boxes
[03:52] <cfhowlett> grobe0ba not from ubuntu ...
[03:52] <cuddylier> And pulling the info using rsync
[03:52] <grobe0ba> the machine that connects to the other machine neesa rhe private key
[03:52] <cuddylier> Ah yes
[03:52] <cuddylier> Okay, I'm doing the wrong way around
[03:52] <grobe0ba> the one being connected to needs the public key
[03:52] <reisio> OERIAS: there are a number of Debian based distros for rpi
[03:53] <cuddylier> I think I get it now
[03:53] <reisio> OERIAS: no need to wait for one in particular, they're pretty much all the same
[03:53] <grobe0ba> cfhowlett: what?
[03:53] <reisio> OERIAS: also other single-board computers are cheaper, more powerful, less old, and more open
[03:53] <OERIAS> Pretty much.
[03:53] <reisio> for example the beaglebone black
[03:53] <reisio> see https://wiki.debian.org/FreedomBox/TargetedHardware for a jumpstart
[03:54] <OERIAS> The problem lies with support for third party accessories.
[03:57] <cfhowlett> grobe0ba canonical was working on a pi port.  that project appears to have been abandoned.  perhaps homebrewers are working on it, though.
[03:57] <grobe0ba> i never mentioned a pi
[03:57] <cfhowlett> grobe0ba doh!  right.  wrong person
[03:58] <cfhowlett> OERIAS canonical was working on a pi port.  that project appears to have been abandoned.  perhaps homebrewers are working on it, though.
[03:58] <poobutt> hi sorry off topic but anyone direct me into a networking channel or good irc channel directory please, thanks in advance
[03:58] <OERIAS> It's should too hard to port it if Debian does a lot of the work.
[03:59] <rww> poobutt: ##networking
[03:59] <poobutt> thanks rww
[03:59] <grobe0ba> poobutt: /list
[03:59] <poobutt> thanks guys new to irc
[03:59] <grobe0ba> np
[03:59] <OERIAS> Either that or the poor effort of developing a port for it.
[04:00] <grobe0ba> OERIAS: dont forget an entire build snd port of packages
[04:02] <sassyts> hai
[04:02] <cfhowlett> sassyts greetings.  ask your ubuntu questions
[04:04] <reisio> heh
[04:04] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: it's still failing eventhough I've removed the password :O Script runs fine manually
[04:05] <grobe0ba> you probably copied the qeong private key
[04:05] <cuddylier> Permission denied, please try again.
[04:05] <cuddylier> Permission denied, please try again.
[04:05] <cuddylier> Permission denied (publickey,password).
[04:05] <cuddylier> same errors
[04:05] <cuddylier> I just used ssh-copy-id id@server
[04:05] <cuddylier> Then I am able to ssh in fine
[04:05] <grobe0ba> yeah thats wrong
[04:05] <cuddylier> Why does crontab act differently though from manually doing it?
[04:05] <grobe0ba> PRIVATE key
[04:06] <grobe0ba> because, its not using the right key
[04:06] <grobe0ba> you need to tell it to use the key in the unencypted filw
[04:06] <cuddylier> Why does doing it manually use the correct file and crontab uses something else..?
[04:06] <cuddylier> weird
[04:06] <grobe0ba> that command you ran that spat crap oit doeant change the original dile
[04:07] <grobe0ba> because you ran ssh-agent earlier
[04:07] <cuddylier> I deleted all the keys on the backup VPS
[04:07] <cuddylier> Do I need to delete keys somewhere else?
[04:07] <grobe0ba> k
[04:07] <grobe0ba> no
[04:07] <cuddylier> After I did that, I did ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 2048
[04:07] <cuddylier> again and generated a new one
[04:07] <grobe0ba> k
[04:07] <cuddylier> And then it resulted in this again, not working
[04:08] <cuddylier> when done in a cronjob
[04:08] <grobe0ba> did you set a passphrase
[04:08] <grobe0ba> and dud you update the public key?
[04:09] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: That was the only command I did
[04:09] <grobe0ba> and thats why
[04:09] <cuddylier> What is the other command I need to do?
[04:09] <grobe0ba> did you set a passphrase when you made a new one?
[04:09] <cuddylier> No
[04:09] <cuddylier> I just hit enter
[04:09] <grobe0ba> good
[04:10] <cuddylier> Mhm, am I missing something here?
[04:10] <grobe0ba> put the new publix key
[04:10] <x_root> hey, is there a way to update ubuntu from 13.10 to 14.04 and remain just the configuration?
[04:10] <grobe0ba> on the server being connected to
[04:10] <x_root> not the programs, just the configuration..
[04:10] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: What is the command if ssh-copy-id id@server isn't it?
[04:11] <cfhowlett> x_root live sudo apt do-release-upgrade -p
[04:11] <grobe0ba> scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server:.ssh
[04:11] <x_root> cfhowlett, live you mean "live cd/usb" right?
[04:11] <cfhowlett> x_root nope.  sudo apt do-release-upgrade .... live upgrade NOT clean install
[04:12]  * rww raises an eyebrow
[04:13] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: I did scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server:[SSH IP] and it just says ssh: Could not resolve hostname server: Name or service not known
[04:13] <cuddylier> lost connection
[04:13] <cfhowlett> x_root your personal user configurations are a different matter.  move your /home to a dedicated partition and do no format it.
[04:13] <cfhowlett> !home | x_root
[04:13] <grobe0ba> cuddylier: hold on a sec
[04:14] <rww> cuddylier: replace server with the server name. keep the .ssh the same
[04:15] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, what rww said
[04:15] <cuddylier> grobe0ba: That worked with no password needed
[04:15] <grobe0ba> scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub server.cuddyhasproblems.com:.ssh/
[04:15] <grobe0ba> cuddylier, when you generated the new key, did you overwrite the old one?
[04:15] <cuddylier> Let me just trash all the keys
[04:16] <grobe0ba> k
[04:16] <grobe0ba> rm .ssh/id_rsa*
[04:16] <grobe0ba> do that on ALL THE SERVERS
[04:16] <grobe0ba> and computers
[04:16] <cuddylier> Okay, doing now
[04:16] <grobe0ba> and palm pilots
[04:16] <harold__> rm .ssh/id_rsa*
[04:16] <gorgolath> hi,i would like to make my list files in alphabetics orders and in xubuntu ,how can i do it
[04:17] <reisio> gorgolath: ls | sort -f
[04:17] <reisio> ls has some of its own options, too
[04:18] <gorgolath> thanks a lots i checks it
[04:20] <x_root> home as a partition is connected with the main
[04:20] <agliodbs> where do I control service autostart from on Precise?  That is, which services start at startup, and which don't?  This is for a server install.
[04:21] <x_root> or it cannont "grow as usual"?
[04:21] <reisio> x_root: it can grow whether its on a partition by itself or not, one way or another
[04:21] <x_root> hm.. thought that if were a partition by itself
[04:22] <x_root> i would have to set a amount (like 40gb to /home)
[04:22] <gorgolath> but not all the users known how to use terminal and i am trying to switch my friends from windows and they scares from the terminal .it is not for me.
[04:22] <x_root> and couldn't grew more than this..
[04:22] <spacedude000> Anyone have a moment to help with a router problem?
[04:23] <reisio> spacedude000: that's pretty vague
[04:23] <agliodbs> is update-rc.d still the best way>
[04:24] <x_root> search for "session applications" or something like that agliodbs
[04:24] <x_root> if is what i'm thinking you can manage by there
[04:24] <sgo11> hi, when I ssh to a sshd server, how to check which cipher I am currently using? thanks.
[04:25] <agliodbs> x_root: no, this isn't a desktop. It's a server
[04:25] <x_root> should read all xD, sorry agliodbs
[04:26] <agliodbs> I thought that Precise had some kind of replacement for update-rc.d, but I guess not?
[04:27] <spacedude000> I've got a N-Router sending a signal to a WET610N. The connection is getting that far fine. Then I have it plugged into a WRT54G with running tomato. The N-Router went down and was replaced. Now the WRT isn't passing the internet though. It had been working fine for months. I'm not sure where to start, and I'm probably 2/10 on networking ability.
[04:29] <x_root> agliodbs, http://askubuntu.com/questions/30931/how-do-i-make-a-program-auto-start-every-time-i-log-in the text answer help you?
[04:30] <x_root> the ones related to ~/.config/autostart files
[04:30] <agliodbs> no, again that's for desktop stuff.  but thanks for searching for me
[04:30] <sgo11> hi, when I ssh to a sshd server, how to check which cipher I am currently using? such as aes256. thanks.
[04:31] <agliodbs> spacedude000: I'm confused about what this has to do with ubuntu?
[04:31] <agliodbs> sgo11: do ssh -vv, it'll show you everything
[04:33] <sgo11> agliodbs, thanks. if there is "debug1: kex: server->client aes128-ctr hmac-md5-etm@openssh.com none", does it mean I am using aes128-ctr? thanks.
[04:34] <cfhowlett> !md5sum > cfhowlett
[04:35] <agliodbs> sgo11: if that's the attempt which connects, yes
[04:35] <agliodbs> sgo11: I think there's also a way to force a particular algo, but I'm not sure what switch it is
[04:37] <sgo11> agliodbs, thanks. I want to force the most secure algorithm. which one is the most secure one now? aes256 ? thanks.
[04:37] <agliodbs> sgo11: I have no idea.  Not a cryptologist
[04:37] <sgo11> agliodbs, ok. thanks. :)
[04:37] <agliodbs> sgo11: and I have a feeling that there's varying opinions about that anyway
[04:38] <sgo11> ok.
[04:41] <x_root> thanks cfhowlett and reisio, tomorrow i'll partition home and update :D
[04:43] <Blahnon> hello everyone
[04:43] <Blahnon> is anyone avail to gimme a hand w a wifi issue?
[04:45] <cfhowlett> !wifi | Blahnon
[04:46] <Blahnon> yeah ive been there for 2 days, and google, but still no dice
[04:46] <agliodbs> Blahnon: what's the issue?
[04:47] <Blahnon> i have an intel 5300 ultimate adapter, and randomly the connection drops to 0kbps downstream/upstream
[04:47] <Blahnon> no dc from router tho
[04:47] <liberty_> 안녕하세요
[04:47] <Blahnon> tested with 2 different routers, dhcp and manual, wpa wpa2 and wep
[04:48] <OerHeks> !ko
[04:48] <ra123445555> I have a doubt like where is the default header path defined in qt tool
[04:48] <jorvis> Does anyone know if it's possible to install Ubuntu on a tablet?   I see lots of pages about tablets on Ubuntu's site, but no downloads.  Are they only focused on getting OEM installs?
[04:49] <agliodbs> Blahnon: no experience with those, sorry.  Are you sure it's not a hardware issue?
[04:49] <Blahnon> works fine under windows
[04:52] <cfhowlett> !touch|jorvis
[04:52] <jorvis> thanks cfhowlett
[04:52] <cfhowlett> jorvis happy2help
[04:52] <ChanLee> how can i made Radeon HD 4200 series working over Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[04:53] <jeffreylevesque> I have ubuntu server.  When I try to access a page, it dispalys 404 error.  When I`cd /var/log/apache2` I notice only the access.log changed, not error.log.  Before attempting to view the page, I cleared 'error.log', is that ok?
[04:54] <ChanLee> someone already tried to get legacy radeon cards working on Ubuntu 14.04 ?
[04:55] <^_^> nihao
[04:55] <^_^> 你好
[04:55] <Guest71104> こんいちは
[04:55] <Guest71104> 안녕하세용 ㅋ
[04:57] <gogo> Hello
[04:57] <daftykins> greetings
[04:58] <daftykins> !cn | Guest71104
[04:58] <agliodbs> jeffreylevesque: perhaps the page actually doesn't exist?
[04:58] <gogo> Somebody knows how to install a IRC Server in Ubuntu?
[04:59] <jeffreylevesque> agliodbs, https://github.com/jeff1evesque/audio-analyzer/issues/372
[04:59] <gogo> Please, how can I install a IRC Server over ubuntu?
[04:59] <cfhowlett> !irc | gogo!
[04:59] <cfhowlett> !server | gogh
[04:59] <cfhowlett> !server | gogo
[05:00] <agliodbs> jeffreylevesque: anyway, how did you clear error.log?  if you rm'd it with apache running, apache may still be writing to the old inode since it was already open
[05:00] <cfhowlett> gogo I think the text based irc client is called irssi
[05:00] <ObrienDave> !kr | Guest71104
[05:00] <gogo> Ubuntu server edition is better than the common ubuntu?
[05:00] <jeffreylevesque> agliodbs, I went into the file and just `^K Cut Text` the entire thing, then saved the file
[05:00] <grobe0ba> gogo, if you are using it for a server
[05:01] <grobe0ba> it's not really any different
[05:01] <Mobutils> gogo: http://blog.khairulazam.net/2012/12/17/install-unrealircd-on-ubuntu-12-04/
[05:01] <cfhowlett> gogo?? no server is for SERVERS and desktop is for non-servers
[05:01] <grobe0ba> it just doesn't include unity
[05:01] <grobe0ba> slightly different kernel
[05:01] <cfhowlett> gogo what do you plan to use ubuntu for?
[05:01] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: If you use the Ubuntu Server, can you restart apache2?
[05:01] <gogo> I need use it for school project.
[05:02] <agliodbs> jeffreylevesque: that should work, then.  Given that, maybe your settings don't cause you to log routine 404's?  I think by default you don't.
[05:02] <cfhowlett> gogo which tells us exactly NOTHING ...
[05:02] <gogo> Thanks to everybody.
[05:02] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, yes...
[05:02] <jeffreylevesque> agliodbs: can I fix the 404, though?
[05:02] <grobe0ba> you can restart it on server or desktop
[05:03] <agliodbs> jeffreylevesque: I don't understand what you're asking.
[05:03] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: ` /etc/init.d/apache2 restart` produces "* Restarting web server apache2                                                 [fail]"
[05:04] <grobe0ba> well for one thing
[05:04] <grobe0ba> don't run init.d scripts
[05:04] <grobe0ba> service apache2 restart
[05:04] <jeffreylevesque> agliodbs: I'd prefer having a page load within the browser, rather than a blank page with a 404 error
[05:04] <grobe0ba> upstart relies on you using the `service` command
[05:04] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, then you'll have to set it up to do that
[05:04] <grobe0ba> using a custom 404 page
[05:04] <grobe0ba> i personally recommend migrating to nginx
[05:05] <grobe0ba> it's a better httpd, with better throughput
[05:05] <grobe0ba> and easier to configure
[05:05] <agliodbs> grobe0ba: depends.  I've not yet been able to get nginx-uwsgi to work properly
[05:05] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: i tried your suggested command, and it produces the same "fail"
[05:05] <grobe0ba> agliodbs, i've never bothered with uwsgi
[05:06] <grobe0ba> just phpfm for the stuff that needs php
[05:06] <agliodbs> grobe0ba: that doesn't work very well for python
[05:06] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, well, the problem is something wrong with your config then
[05:06] <grobe0ba> otherwise it would start
[05:06] <Mobutils> what does your log say?
[05:07] <jeffreylevesque> Mobutils, I went to my error.log and removed it's contents and saved it.  now, i'm not sure if the file is empty because of my edit, or if there is truly no error
[05:07] <agliodbs> why would chromium-browser be running in the background on my Ubuntu laptop?  Like, constantly?
[05:08] <swift110> Im back
[05:08] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: the only configuration i did other than removing the contents of 'error.log' is https://github.com/jeff1evesque/audio-analyzer#bash-scripts
[05:09] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, i don't know apache
[05:09] <kz> anyone got any ideas on how to install usb wifi drivers with an install.sh. new to ubuntu
[05:09] <grobe0ba> you'll have to find someone who can actually understand how that crap works.
[05:09] <Mobutils> jeff, instead of deleting the log try just try to tail the log, that way its easy to read and you don’t loose anything.
[05:09] <grobe0ba> i use nginx
[05:10] <grobe0ba> kz, which drivers, from where, and why?
[05:10] <Mobutils> eg, tail /var/log/…/error.log
[05:10] <grobe0ba> are you sure network-manager isn't finding the nic already?
[05:10] <Beldar> agliodbs, Don't use it myself but check second post. http://askubuntu.com/questions/199327/how-is-one-supposed-to-stop-chromium-processes
[05:10] <grobe0ba> also, you can't just say 'using install.sh', 'cause that could be literally anything
[05:10] <kz> i downloaded some realtec drivers to work with my tp-link tl-wn823n wireless usb dongle, cause i keep getting internet dropout
[05:11] <Mobutils> kz, try just running the script, sh install.sh
[05:11] <kz> and its got install.sh in it
[05:11] <jeffreylevesque> grobe0ba: that's in content of my 'sphinx' submodules
[05:11] <Mobutils> prob as root
[05:11] <swift110> Anyone runs mate?
[05:11] <grobe0ba> jeffreylevesque, once again, I DONT KNOW APACHE.
[05:11] <grobe0ba> nor do i have any wish too
[05:11] <kz> Mobutils, ill drag drop into terminal with sh in front of it? not too good atnavigating atm
[05:11] <grobe0ba> it is a crapshoot of an httpd
[05:11] <Beldar> swift110, State the issue and your ubuntu release.
[05:11] <jeffreylevesque> haha no problem
[05:12] <grobe0ba> kz, no dragging and dropping
[05:12] <grobe0ba> open a terminal
[05:12] <swift110> There is issue
[05:12] <grobe0ba> find the install.sh
[05:12] <grobe0ba> sudo sh install.sh
[05:12] <Beldar> !details | swift110
[05:12] <Mobutils> kz, open a terminal, navigate to the directory where the sh resides, cd /to/the/directory/path/, they type sudo sh install.sh
[05:12] <swift110> I am gonna check out ubuntu mate remix
[05:12] <agliodbs> Beldar: thanks, that did the trick!
[05:12] <cfhowlett> swift110 remix is not an official ubuntu distro and is not supported here
[05:13] <kz> dowesnt work out man i get an eror
[05:13] <swift110> I meant to say there is no issue
[05:13] <jeffreylevesque> Mobutils: is it ok that i deleted the content of the 'error.log'?  Will future errors still be written there, I didn't actually delete the file, just all its content
[05:13] <swift110> Oh ok
[05:13] <swift110> What about lubuntu?
[05:13] <Beldar> swift110, Be aware that 3rd party repos including ppa's are not supported here if you need help.
[05:13] <agliodbs> Beldar: I don't use chromium much either ... mostly just to have a 2nd browser ... so I was wondering why it was always running.
[05:13] <cfhowlett> !flavors | swift110
[05:13] <eeee> kz: the exact error would be useful.
[05:13] <swift110> Exactly
[05:13] <Beldar> agliodbs, I had noticed this with chrome, which I rarely use either.
[05:13] <swift110> Im not a noob
[05:14] <swift110> Just new to this channel
[05:14] <kz> Authentication requested [root] for make clean:
[05:14] <kz> /home/ansem/Desktop/wirelessdrivers/RTL8188C_8192C_USB_linux_v4.0.2_9000.20130911/install.sh: 38: [: unexpected operator
[05:14] <kz> and then i get another one
[05:14] <swift110> I mean room
[05:14] <Beldar> !who | swift110
[05:14] <khabti> hi
[05:14] <swift110> Im on my cellphobe
[05:14] <Mobutils> kz, does the download come with a readme?
[05:14] <cfhowlett> khabti greetings.  ask your question
[05:14] <grobe0ba> Beldar, agliodbs, if you are signed into google in chromium, it keeps itself running because of chromium apps and some other stuff
[05:14] <Mobutils> usually something like that would.
[05:14] <grobe0ba> completely normal for it
[05:14] <eeee> kz: run the script with sudo in front of it, sudo sh install.sh
[05:15] <kz> yea it does come with a read me but it doesnt really say much
[05:15] <Beldar> swift110, Does not matter if you have tile to tyoe you can preface with nicks
[05:15] <Beldar> time*
[05:15] <eeee> kz: the error relates to needing root privileges, i think.
[05:15] <Mobutils> what the url of the driver you downloaded?
[05:15] <agliodbs> grobe0ba: "normal" but undesirable
[05:15] <grobe0ba> agliodbs, not from the perspective of a regular chromium user
[05:15] <ka> i have an interesting networking type question.
[05:15] <grobe0ba> only undesirable because its your 'backup' browser
[05:16] <grobe0ba> ka, speak unto me
[05:16] <kz> eeee, i get this sh: 0: Can't open install
[05:16] <Mobutils> unto…
[05:16] <kz> Mobutils, sec
[05:16] <Beldar> swift110, No one is accusing you of being a newb, there are over a 1000 people here now and 1000's per day not all know support info.
[05:16] <grobe0ba> ask your question, and behold, my answer shall bring you to heights of pleasure never before witnessed
[05:17] <ka> okay, so i have a dhcp network ssid i want to change in xubuntu 13.04 i believe.
[05:17] <agliodbs> grobe0ba: I regard "we're going to run this constantly in the background just because you installed it, but not tell you that we're doing that" as undesirable behavior in *any* desktop app.
[05:17] <Beldar> swift110, Besides when asked to state the issues you were not even close nor used nicks, so how do we even know what you know.
[05:17] <Mobutils> iwconfig
[05:17] <grobe0ba> agliodbs, they DO tell you
[05:18] <grobe0ba> it tells you the first time you open it about chromium apps and whatnot
[05:18] <ka> sorry i forgot to tag you grobe0ba
[05:19] <grobe0ba> what do you mean change the ssid?
[05:19] <Mobutils> i think he wants to connect to a different access point with a different ssid?
[05:19] <zacwalls> the network name
[05:20] <grobe0ba> i dunno. this mixing and matching of terms must simply stop. i am too drunk.
[05:20] <grobe0ba> i'm going to sleep now. g'night all
[05:20] <zacwalls> goodbye
[05:21] <zacwalls> is he actually leaving or is he just really high?
[05:21] <grobe0ba> zacwalls, i don't part
[05:21] <grobe0ba> ever heard of a bouncer?
[05:21] <grobe0ba> i also don't change my nick
[05:21] <zacwalls> y
[05:21] <grobe0ba> i just leave
[05:21] <grobe0ba> zacwalls, so i never miss ANYTHING
[05:21] <zacwalls> goodbye i think
[05:21] <grobe0ba> i can review the logs from when i'm gone
[05:21] <grobe0ba> indeed.
[05:21] <grobe0ba> ciao
[05:21] <Mobutils> i think what za is looking for is this, iwconfig wlan0 essid networkName
[05:21] <Beldar> zacwalls, This is a world wide family channel use appropriate words and subject
[05:22] <Mobutils> but for wlan0 the name of your particular wifi adapter.
[05:22] <Mobutils> it may not be wlan0
[05:22] <Mobutils> oh and also you need to be root, so sudo that up
[05:23] <zacwalls> BeLdar im sorry if i offended someone here but i dont know what term you are referring to.
[05:23] <grobe0ba> zacwalls, "is he actually leaving or..."
[05:23] <grobe0ba> what came after that
[05:23] <grobe0ba> it's not family appropriate. i'm drunk and i know that
[05:23] <zacwalls> aha
[05:23] <eeee> why's drunk appropriate ? O.o
[05:24] <zacwalls> eeee i have know idea
[05:24] <ObrienDave> because drunk is fairly legal
[05:24] <edition> is there a tool for viewing the Library dependancies, for any linux program?
[05:24] <zacwalls> so is high getting  is some states.
[05:24] <Beldar> 13.04 | zacwalls
[05:24] <grobe0ba> completely legal in this case. i am well over 21, and i am not operating a motor vehicle or heavy equipment. i also will not be doing so.
[05:24] <eeee> ObrienDave: high is legal in amsterdam ?
[05:24] <Beldar> !13.04 | zacwalls
[05:24] <eeee> and alcohol is illegal in saudi arabia
[05:25] <ObrienDave> not everyone is in amsterdam
[05:25] <Beldar> it's off topic here
[05:25] <grobe0ba> edition, man ldd
[05:25] <edition> thanks
[05:25] <grobe0ba> it'll tell you what you need to know
[05:25] <grobe0ba> np
[05:25] <zacwalls> beldar indeed
[05:25] <Abhijit> ##english. just in case ...
[05:26] <zacwalls> okay can someone help me configure my wlan0 ssid please
[05:26] <edition> iw
[05:27] <zacwalls> maby through the terminal?
[05:28] <eeee> zacwalls: are you making a hotspot ?
[05:28] <Kadexus> Testing, testing. Is this thing on?
[05:29] <zacwalls> eeee no just want to configure ssid
[05:29] <Beldar> zacwalls, 13.04 xubuntu right?
[05:29] <Mobutils> zacwalls, iwconfig wlan0 essid “essidname”
[05:30] <Mobutils> sudo that
[05:30] <l5> Fuck Ubuntu. Where the white women at?
[05:30] <zacwalls> thank you
[05:30] <cfhowlett> !ops | I5
[05:30] <Mobutils> np
[05:31] <Mobutils> whats the emergeny?
[05:31] <cfhowlett> Mobutils <l5> Fuck Ubuntu. Where the white women at?
[05:32] <Mobutils> ah,
[05:32] <zacwalls> goodbye all.
[05:32] <zacwalls> and thank you
[05:32] <l5> No white women?
[05:33] <cfhowlett> I5 play somewhere else.  this is a family friendly channel and your topic violates the rules
[05:33] <l5> No it isnt
[05:34] <l5> Ubuntu spy's on its users. Nothing family oriented about that.  That belongs in the seedy underworld of whatever
[05:35] <ObrienDave> ~l5@ip68-4-157-90.oc.oc.cox.net
[05:35] <cfhowlett> I5 fud, profanity and racism; you are on fire today
[05:35] <l5> Fud? That is Ubuntu misinformation.  Would you like me to post proof  here?
[05:36] <l5> Ubuntu's business model itself relies on this
[05:36] <zacwalls> back for some more stuff
[05:36] <Mobutils> that was quick
[05:36] <zacwalls> how do i change the wpa2 on a essid?
[05:36]  * cfhowlett adds one more to the ignore file
[05:36] <zacwalls> lol
[05:36] <Beldar> freenode has been notified
[05:37] <cfhowlett> Beldar thanks.
[05:37] <zacwalls> ?
[05:37] <eeee> zacwalls: do you have gui?
[05:37] <zacwalls> eeee im illiterate when it comes to pc terms
[05:37] <l5> Does Ubuntu practice censorship? Is that what Freenode was notified about? How about this, dont spy on your users!?
[05:38] <Beldar> zacwalls, Are you using xubuntu 13.04?
[05:38] <cfhowlett> zacwalls graphic user interace
[05:38] <zacwalls> yes
[05:38] <eeee> do you have a desktop with a graphical user interface?
[05:38] <Beldar> Helpers not the EOL
[05:38] <regalfrog> what
[05:38] <eeee> zacwalls: type nm-connection-editor
[05:38] <zacwalls> i dont believe so...
[05:38] <ObrienDave> pictures and icons ;P
[05:38] <zacwalls> sudo?
[05:39] <eeee> zacwalls: or just click on the network icon at the bottom and select edit connections
[05:39] <eeee> zacwalls: no need
[05:39] <Beldar> !eol | zacwalls UPgrade to 14.04
[05:39]  * ObrienDave admires cfhowlett's snarkyness restraint ;P
[05:40] <zacwalls> eeee i want to do through terminal like a boss
[05:40] <cfhowlett> zacwalls be aware; you're trying to access the internet, but you no longer get security updates.  Expect serious problems - or upgrade to a supported version.  14.04 is recommended
[05:40] <cfhowlett> ObrienDave Sam L. Jackson and I had ... words.
[05:40] <ObrienDave> lol
[05:41] <zacwalls> not my pc. i dont plan on changing wlan0 essid on this network but to only obtain the knowledge
[05:41] <Beldar> giving support to a eol here is bad policy; it is the same for all user who come here no support
[05:41] <zacwalls> Flannel fail
[05:41]  * cfhowlett agrees with beldar
[05:42] <Mobutils> zacwells, if your doing this within terminal the command your looking for is wpa_supplicant
[05:42] <zacwalls> so what do i do after
[05:42] <Flannel> zacwalls: I'm happy to see you too.
[05:42] <Beldar> Mobutils, If you want to support take it to a pm
[05:42] <Mobutils> iwconfig only supports WEP keys if im not mistaken
[05:42] <Flannel> Mobutils, Beldar: No, don't take it to PM, this channel is fine if you're willing to support him.
[05:43] <zacwalls> Mobutils i think you are
[05:43] <Beldar> bad use of a no support policy
[05:43] <zacwalls> i agree
[05:43] <Beldar> a consistent system is needed
[05:43] <Flannel> Beldar: I don't grok that, but there's no such thing as a "no support policy" for old version of Ubuntu.
[05:44] <zacwalls> nut in my defense people are helping me
[05:44] <cfhowlett> !eol
[05:44] <zacwalls> so how do i edit
[05:44] <Flannel> Beldar: YOU don't need to support it if you don't want to, or aren't familiar with the old versions, but you shouldn't actively be discouraging other folks who are willing/able to help just because something is EOL.
[05:44] <eeee> i think support here means, if you find a bug, you're fsckd
[05:44] <cfhowlett> "... security *and support* for an Ubuntu release stop"
[05:45] <Flannel> cfhowlett: That's "official support" as in "patches" and canonical tech support, etc, not "support" in here.
[05:45] <eeee> yeah
[05:45] <Beldar> Flannel, I consistently see mods supporting my point
[05:45] <zacwalls> eeee how do i edit from there???
[05:45] <Flannel> cfhowlett: So again, if YOU wish to stop supporting it, that's fine, don't actively admonish those who continue to do so.
[05:45] <Beldar> were this not the case I would not care
[05:46] <Ben64> i'd have to agree with Beldar. i know this meta discussion is not really on topic, but this is the first instance i've seen here that EOL releases are supported in here
[05:46] <zacwalls> is eth0 mac?
[05:46] <Flannel> Beldar: I'm an operator, so.... yeah.
[05:46] <Mobutils> mac?
[05:47] <zacwalls> yes mac address
[05:47] <Beldar> Flannel, I know you are, it would be nice to see a consistent state with be admonished for following a norm we see.
[05:47] <Beldar> without*
[05:47] <Mobutils> zacwells, eth0 is probably your wired network interface id.
[05:48] <zacwalls> it is but no options to edit wpa2
[05:48] <Mobutils> zacwells, check out http://www.pantz.org/software/wpa_supplicant/wirelesswpa2andlinux.html this should answer your questions
[05:48]  * cfhowlett perhaps the Ops/mods can adress/clarify this among themselves ...
[05:48] <Beldar> +1
[05:48] <max> Hello!
[05:48] <Flannel> Beldar: From now on, if someone admonishes you (or anyone else) for EOL support, ping me and I'll try to get it sorted out.  There is no official policy, so those folks /shouldn't/ be doing so in an official capacity (again, if they choose to personally not support EOL stuff, that's fine)
[05:48] <zacwalls> this is crazy
[05:49] <Beldar> Flannel, You are the only one. ;) and I have to take off.
[05:49] <Flannel> The only thing we don't support here is things that aren't Ubuntu.
[05:50] <meganerd> zacwalls: are you trying to connect via the command line?
[05:50] <zacwalls> no
[05:51] <zacwalls> im trying to change my wpa2. well, not really im trying to understand how to
[05:51] <meganerd> I have not scrolled back a whole lot, I just saw the wpa_supplicant link
[05:51] <zacwalls> yes someone got confused i think
[05:51] <meganerd> zacwalls: Change where?
[05:51] <zacwalls> via terminal
[05:52] <meganerd> zacwalls: I guess what I am asking is less of a technical question.  What is the desired outcome?
[05:52] <eeee> he wants to feel like a boss, iirc
[05:52] <zacwalls> lol
[05:53] <zacwalls> to understand how to change the wpa2 on ubuntu 13.04
[05:53] <zacwalls> meganerd
[05:53] <meganerd> zacwalls: it really depends on why
[05:53] <zacwalls> no reason
[05:54] <ObrienDave> just wanting to know how is a valid reason
[05:54] <zacwalls> i love knowlege and i have little when it comes to ubuntu,xubuntu,etc
[05:54] <meganerd> zacwalls: is this a wifi connected server (no GUI), regular workstation (so GUI), and does the AP have a new key (they have to match).
[05:54] <zacwalls> yes a new key. and yes a gui i think\
[05:55] <meganerd> ObrienDave: absolutely.  My entire career is predicated upon me doing dumb stuff just to see what happens :)
[05:55] <ObrienDave> meganerd, i'm older and have done WAY more dumb stuff ;P
[05:55] <eeee> zacwalls: type nm-connection-editor, or click on the network icon at the bottom
[05:56] <meganerd> zacwalls: it has been a while, did 13.04 have unity or was that still Gnome?
[05:56] <zacwalls> im 13, i have no career. i hope to make millions on software development. wich more than likely wont happen.
[05:56] <zacwalls> gnome i think
[05:56] <eeee> zacwalls: select your connection, click edit, there you can change the pass in security and other stuff
[05:56] <zacwalls> nope
[05:56] <Mobutils> i remember when i was 13 and had simmilar dreams of grandeur
[05:56] <zacwalls> i tryed
[05:57] <meganerd> zacwalls: do not make your goal to make millions, this is another tech bubble and the vast majority of startups will fail.   Find a career that you love.  800-100k / year doing something you love is a pretty sweet life.
[05:57] <meganerd> that should be 80-100
[05:57] <zacwalls> i love programing
[05:57] <zacwalls> and i love computers
[05:57] <meganerd> zacwalls: well then, you are probably on the right track.  Way ahead of 13 year old me :)
[05:58] <zacwalls> and im verry pour.
[05:58] <eeee> zacwalls: yeah, do what you love
[05:58] <zacwalls> and i love my family
[05:58] <eatyourgreenery> it's pronounced "you bunt, too?" am i banned?
[05:58] <zacwalls> and physics :)
[05:59] <zacwalls> and windows dos sucks
[05:59] <meganerd> zacwalls: funny story, I started university in astro-physics.
[05:59] <eatyourgreenery> and regular windows sucks
[05:59] <zacwalls> yes
[05:59] <meganerd> zacwalls: anyway, since I am late to the party, where are you getting stuck changing the wpa key?
[05:59] <ObrienDave> hmm, ponders full moon not for two more weeks
[05:59] <zacwalls> well, i am using wlan0
[06:00] <zacwalls> not a dhcp network connection
[06:01] <meganerd> zacwalls: no dhcp simplifies things a little bit
[06:01] <zacwalls> if im right dhcp is a wireless conection???
[06:01] <zacwalls> connection
[06:02] <meganerd> zacwalls: the gui is a wrapper around wpa_supplicant, which is why you probably got sent that link earlier (I used to do all of this from the CLI in the 10 through 13 releases).
[06:02] <meganerd> zacwalls: no, dhcp is just for IP addresses, that happens later on
[06:02] <Mobutils> dhcp is the dynamic host client protocol. It mean your ip address is assigned to you dynamically
[06:02] <zacwalls> oh...
[06:02] <zacwalls> now i feel stupid
[06:02] <meganerd> zacwalls: gotta start somewhere
[06:02] <Mobutils> indeed.
[06:03] <zacwalls> and i bought programming for dummies
[06:03] <zacwalls> and still dont understand c++
[06:03] <Mobutils> dchp is the protocol that is used by a computer to request a unique IP on your network,
[06:03] <zacwalls> i know
[06:03] <zacwalls> now
[06:03] <meganerd> zacwalls: slightly OT, but feeling stupid is a good sign, it means you are paying attention.  If you ever stop feeling that way then you are probably doing it wrong and just don't realize it :)
[06:03] <zacwalls> good
[06:04] <zacwalls> so do i need sudo access???
[06:04] <meganerd> zacwalls: so, back OT.  I really cannot remember what the nm-applet looked like, but there should be a connection editor
[06:04] <ObrienDave> or trying to pay attention :)
[06:04] <meganerd> zacwalls: I think so
[06:05] <zacwalls> there is...just no wpa2 option\
[06:05] <Mobutils> might be wpa-psk
[06:05] <zacwalls> nope
[06:05] <Mobutils> thats probably what your using.
[06:05] <Mobutils> you see a wireless tab?
[06:05] <zacwalls> no no whireless hardware
[06:05] <eeee> are we still talking about wpa?
[06:06] <Mobutils> are you in the nm-connection-manager?
[06:06] <zacwalls> yes
[06:06] <eeee> zacwalls: nm-connection-editor > edit connection > security
[06:06] <zacwalls> yes
[06:06] <meganerd> zacwalls: from the command line, type "sudo iwconfig"
[06:06] <zacwalls> okay
[06:07] <zacwalls> passwd block...
[06:07] <Mobutils> ??
[06:07] <zacwalls> i have know idea what it is
[06:07] <meganerd> zacwalls: you can try it without sudo, we just won't be able to make changes
[06:07] <zacwalls> i dont want to ask
[06:07] <zacwalls> okay
[06:07] <meganerd> zacwalls: sudo is your password
[06:07] <zacwalls> i know
[06:08] <zacwalls> no whireless
[06:08] <zacwalls> remember
[06:08] <zacwalls> karen@karen-OptiPlex-755:~$ iwconfig
[06:08] <zacwalls> eth0      no wireless extensions.
[06:08] <zacwalls> lo        no wireless extensions.
[06:08] <zacwalls> karen@karen-OptiPlex-755:~$
[06:09] <Mobutils> no wifi adapter
[06:09] <zacwalls> yes
[06:09] <meganerd> zacwalls: use paste.ubuntu.com and then give us the link.
[06:09] <zacwalls> okay
[06:09] <zacwalls> next time i remember
[06:09] <Mobutils> what kind of wifi adapter are you using?
[06:09] <meganerd> zacwalls: lspci
[06:09] <Mobutils> onboard, usb,
[06:09] <zacwalls> dont have one
[06:09] <zacwalls> for this pc
[06:09] <meganerd> zacwalls: if it is usb, lsub
[06:10] <meganerd> sorry, lsusb
[06:10] <zacwalls> lsub????
[06:10] <zacwalls> lsusb?????
[06:10] <ObrienDave> terminal command
[06:10] <zacwalls> oh
[06:10] <meganerd> zacwalls: list usb devices.  Not all wifi adaptors work, so the first step is seeing if your hardware is supported.
[06:10] <meganerd> ObrienDave: +1
[06:11] <meganerd> what ObrienDave said
[06:11] <zacwalls> one sec
[06:11] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7901919/
[06:12] <Mobutils> zacwell: wait, there is no wifi adapter installed on your computer?
[06:12] <eeee> lol
[06:12] <Mobutils> zacwell: i just scrolled back and caught that.
[06:13] <zacwalls> no
[06:13] <Mobutils> zacwell: pastebin your lspci just in case
[06:13] <zacwalls> k
[06:13] <Mobutils> zacwell: wait,
[06:13] <metaspike> hihi :)
[06:13] <metaspike> how do i exit from vi's INSERT mode?
[06:14] <Mobutils> metaspike: :i
[06:14] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7901925/
[06:14] <metaspike> nvm found it ESC
[06:15] <zacwalls> ___________
[06:15] <zacwalls> < hi friend >
[06:15] <zacwalls>  -----------
[06:15] <zacwalls>         \   ^__^
[06:15] <zacwalls>          \  (oo)\_______
[06:15] <zacwalls>             (__)\       )\/\
[06:15] <unopaste> zacwalls you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:16] <Mobutils> zacwells: so ya, there is no wifi adapter on this computer, so your not going to be able to do some of the commands as there is no adapter to preform them on.
[06:16] <zacwalls> yes
[06:17] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7901942/
[06:18] <zacwalls> know idea why i did that
[06:18] <eeee> zacwalls: try sudo service hormones stop
[06:18] <meganerd> zacwalls: without nm-applet it goes something like this:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/7901944/
[06:18] <zacwalls> are there any cool networking things i can tweek on xubuntu 13.04
[06:20] <meganerd> zacwalls: then "sudo wpa_supplicant -Dwext -cmywpa.conf -iwlan0"
[06:20] <zacwalls> okay
[06:20] <meganerd> zacwalls: oddly, do not use spaces in the wpa_supplicant parameters and options
[06:20] <Mobutils> ya that is a little weird isn’t it.
[06:20] <meganerd> zacwalls: as for cool things, you could play with iptables, you get your feet wet with traffic shaping
[06:21] <zacwalls> how i do that?
[06:21] <meganerd> zacwalls: mess with buffer lengths on NICs etc
[06:21] <meganerd> zacwalls: everything I mentioned is at http://www.lartc.org
[06:22] <zacwalls> remember literate
[06:22] <meganerd> zacwalls: if you have a thing for networking, install wireshark, tcpdump, and then read up here:  http://danielmiessler.com/study/tcpdump/  and here: http://www.tcpipguide.com/
[06:23] <zacwalls> oh one more thing, how do i bypass sudo passwd without changing or going into safe mode
[06:23] <zacwalls> like get the hash from database
[06:24] <meganerd> zacwalls: not easy to do from a running system
[06:24] <TJ-> Not in zacwall's case, but there *could* be a WiFi adapter on the PCMCIA/PCCard bus
[06:24] <meganerd> zacwalls: also, even 13.04 has a decent hash, so it would take a while to crack, even with a beefy GPU hashcat
[06:24] <Mobutils> gonna set him up to be a right old hacker.
[06:25] <meganerd> TJ-: pccard devices show in lspci
[06:25] <TJ-> meganerd: since when?
[06:25] <zacwalls> IS THERE A PROGRAM LIKE CAIN&ABLE???
[06:25] <meganerd> zacwalls: hashcat
[06:25] <TJ-> meganerd: "lspcmcia" lists the CardBus/PCMCIA devices
[06:25] <meganerd> TJ-: we are talking about Xpressbus devices?
[06:25] <zacwalls> in software center???
[06:25] <TJ-> meganerd: No, PCCard/PCMCIA
[06:25] <eeee> zacwalls: check www.hashcat.net
[06:26] <zacwalls> okay
[06:26] <eeee> zacwalls: you'll want the GPU based oclhashcat
[06:26] <meganerd> TJ-: wow, I have not seen PCMCIA in about a decade
[06:26] <zacwalls> is there a java version?
[06:26] <TJ-> meganerd: We still carry drivers for some, notably the Prism-base devices
[06:26] <Mobutils> he is right lspci will only show things connected to the pci bus, pcmcia is not connected via pcmcia.
[06:26] <meganerd> TJ-: I have a prism or two kicking around
[06:26] <Mobutils> and goot catch!! i didn’t even see the pcmcia
[06:26] <Mobutils> err good.
[06:27] <meganerd> TJ-: I was a very early wifi adopter, even in Linux
[06:27] <zacwalls> so how do i access the database for passwds in the first place???
[06:27] <TJ-> Mobutils: The 755 doesn't have PCMCIA that I'm aware of; I was just mentioning it for the general diagnostics case
[06:27] <meganerd> zacwalls: they are stored in /etc/shadow, which your user probably cannot access.
[06:28] <zacwalls> im administrator
[06:28] <zacwalls> just no sudo or root passwds :)
[06:28] <meganerd> zacwalls: that doesn't make sense
[06:28] <zacwalls> how do i access /ect/shadow?
[06:28] <TJ-> zacwalls: "getent shadow <user>"
[06:28] <meganerd> zacwalls: sudo uses your own account
[06:29] <Ubuntoo> Hi, is there anyway to attach a bash script to a file like pdf file, and run it when opening the pdf file?
[06:29] <zacwalls> okay
[06:29] <TJ-> Ubuntoo: No.
[06:30] <meganerd> Ubuntoo: PDFs support javascript, but not bash.
[06:30] <meganerd> Ubuntoo: I assume that you are playing hacker games with someone?
[06:31] <zacwalls> how do i use ssh???
[06:31] <Ubuntoo> meganerd: At the same time, learning
[06:31] <ayylmao> sssh username@ip
[06:31] <ayylmao> ssh*
[06:32] <zacwalls> okay
[06:32] <ayylmao> might need to set up /etc/sshd_config i think it is
[06:32] <meganerd> Ubuntoo: start small.  There are a ton of security resources out there for the budding professional.
[06:32] <zacwalls> how do i access my systeminfo information???
[06:33] <Mobutils> what system information are you looking for?
[06:33] <ayylmao> not sure about command line, but u can do X over 'ssh -X user@ip'
[06:33] <ayylmao> if theres a gui app you want to use
[06:33] <meganerd> zacwalls: sudo dmidecode, sudo cat /proc/cpuinfo, memstat, iotop, iftop, atop/htop... what do you want to look at?
[06:33] <zacwalls> ip dhcp stuff
[06:33] <meganerd> zacwalls: ip addr
[06:33] <Mobutils> ifconfig
[06:33] <meganerd> zacwalls: ip route
[06:34] <Ubuntoo> meganerd: So there is no way?! (My target is OS X)
[06:34] <Beldar> ayylmao, Preface to others with their nick.
[06:34] <zacwalls> yes
[06:34] <ayylmao> if ure doing it remotely something nx might be better, faster for x forwarding
[06:34] <ayylmao> but on local network ssh -X is fine
[06:34] <meganerd> Ubuntoo: I am saying that you want to compete in the olympics without having trained first :)
[06:35] <meganerd> Mobutils: ifconfig is just a wrapper for ip, and is more limited (it only exists for backward compatibility in older scripts)
[06:35] <zacwalls> it didnt work. it listed a bunch of other stuff
[06:35] <Ubuntoo> meganerd: Do you know any good resource?
[06:35] <zacwalls> what is bcast???
[06:36] <meganerd> Ubuntoo: lots.  Security is a big topic.  Start with the pauldotcom.com podcast, go from there
[06:36] <zacwalls> okay
[06:36] <zacwalls> what is username???karen???
[06:36] <meganerd> zacwalls: whoami
[06:37] <zacwalls> ?
[06:37] <SwedeMike> hi, after upgrading from 12.04 to 14.04 my /boot doesn't contain any kernel, initrd or anything else very useful to boot. I have an encrypted root lvm. I have now booted from a 14.04 usb stick and mounted my root and boot from there. What do I do now to get a kernel and initrd onto my boot partition?
[06:37] <meganerd> zacwalls: from a terminal, type "whoami" to get your username
[06:37] <Beldar> SwedeMike, I would try a update-grub to start with
[06:38] <zacwalls> im alredy logged in
[06:38] <Beldar> from the root chmod cli
[06:38] <Beldar> chroot sorry
[06:38] <zacwalls> just dont know my ssh server passwd
[06:38] <eeee> zacwalls: are you trying to ssh right now?
[06:38] <SwedeMike> Beldar: my grub works fine, it has memtest86 in it that works. So I need to add kernel and initrd.
[06:38] <zacwalls> yes
[06:38] <eeee> zacwalls: to where?
[06:38] <zacwalls> im bored
[06:38] <Ubuntoo> meganerd:thx
[06:38] <zacwalls> my own ip
[06:38] <Beldar> SwedeMike, Can you chroot to the cli, update-grub adds kernels
[06:39] <eeee> zacwalls: i meant, to where? which host?
[06:39] <zacwalls> me
[06:39] <zacwalls> my own
[06:39] <eeee> zacwalls: you have to be running a ssh server
[06:39] <lasagn4> hi
[06:39] <lasagn4> i keep on trying to use the internet and i get "connect: Network is unreachable"
[06:39] <zacwalls> how do i do that???
[06:39] <eeee> zacwalls: go to shell.cjb.net and sign up for a free shell
[06:40] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7902082/
[06:40] <Beldar> lasagn4, wifi or etho? any changes to your access made by you?
[06:40] <shndns> how do i get my screen to turn on
[06:40] <Beldar> shndns, Context please.
[06:41] <shndns> what does context mean
[06:41] <SwedeMike> Beldar: http://pastebin.com/iNau31NV , but my problem is that I don't have any kernels at all. So updating grub doesn't help.
[06:41] <Mobutils> shndns: press the power button
[06:41] <lasagn4> beldar, eth0
[06:41] <shndns> i did that
[06:41] <Beldar> !details | shndns
[06:41] <lasagn4> beldar, i was messing with my router but nothing else, and my router and desktop work fine
[06:41] <eeee> zacwalls: ok, well that is the username's password, (your password)
[06:41] <lasagn4> my laptop doesn't have internet though
[06:41] <Beldar> SwedeMike, So the 12.04 kernels were removed and no new ones added?
[06:41] <shndns> i pressed power on the screen but linux wont turn on
[06:41] <eeee> assuming 192.168.1.2 is your ip
[06:42] <shndns> am i missing something
[06:42] <SwedeMike> Beldar: correct.
[06:42] <zacwalls> okay
[06:42] <SwedeMike> Beldar: I am trying to see if I can install them using apt-get install linux-image now, we'll see if that works
[06:42] <Mobutils> swedemike, your laptop is connected via wifi? and your desktop via ethernet?
[06:43] <zacwalls> i made a bash server...how do i join???
[06:43] <SwedeMike> Mobutils: what?
[06:43] <Beldar> shndns, "how do i get my screen to turn on" is not enough info.
[06:43] <Mobutils> nevermind wrong person
[06:43] <shndns> nevermind i pressed the L key and it turned on
[06:43] <shndns> thanks guys!
[06:43] <Beldar> cool
[06:43] <lasagn4> i did a reboot and now everything is fine
[06:43] <TJ-> SwedeMike: It looks as if grub v1 is still being used, it might make sense to replace it with grub v2 whilst there's little to upset. There's a migration script I recall.
[06:43] <Almtesh> Howdi!
[06:44] <Almtesh> Anyone knows how to bridge a wireless interface?
[06:44] <shndns> But quick question
[06:44] <shndns> How would L turn on my screen
[06:44] <Almtesh> I've tried with bridge-utils, but it sends me "Operation not supported".
[06:44] <shndns> im so confused
[06:44] <lasagn4> Beldar, does dhcp get started at boot time or something? what starts dhcp/
[06:44] <zacwalls> it didnt work
[06:44] <zacwalls> nvn
[06:44] <shndns> try pressing L
[06:44] <Beldar> lasagn4, Not sure never had a reason to know myself.
[06:46] <Beldar> SwedeMike, Note TJ- and the comment on grub 2.
[06:46] <Almtesh> I found this: https://wiki.debian.org/BridgeNetworkConnections
[06:46] <zacwalls> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7902133/ that is what i got
[06:46] <Mobutils> dhcp starts at boot, or rather dhclient starts at boot
[06:46] <TJ-> SwedeMike: The script is at "/usr/sbin/upgrade-from-grub-legacy"
[06:47] <SwedeMike> Beldar: yeah, I will install grub2 after I manage to install a kernel. Right now I'm having trouble because resolv.conf is soft-linked to a runtime conf file that isn't available in my chroot right now
[06:47] <SwedeMike> TJ-: thanks.
[06:47] <daftykins> zacwalls: wrong user or wrong password
[06:47] <Almtesh> The page's author succeded to do that, with bridge-utils, but I don't understand why I don't.
[06:47] <zacwalls> wrong user
[06:47] <zacwalls> ip i think
[06:47] <Beldar> SwedeMike, Heh, well your smart enough to get there with a lvm, you will do fine. ;)
[06:48] <meganerd> Almtesh: did you use sudo?
[06:49] <SwedeMike> installing grub2 in a chroot env didn't work very well
[06:49] <TJ-> SwedeMike: is there a file-system under "/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf" ? if so, just "echo "nameserver 8.8.8.8" | sudo dd of=<CHROOT>/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf"
[06:49] <SwedeMike> TJ-: I had to create the dir resolvconf in /run, then it worked fine
[06:49] <Almtesh> meganerd, yes, or I was root allready.
[06:49] <TJ-> SwedeMike: did you mount the separate /boot/ file-system from inside the chroot ?
[06:49] <SwedeMike> TJ-: yes.
[06:50] <meganerd> Almtesh: so what was the syntax that you were using?
[06:50] <TJ-> SwedeMike: You mounted /proc /sys /dev and /dev/pts outside the chroot, too?
[06:51] <meganerd> Almtesh: the interfaces need to up first, so you might need to "sudo ip link set wlan0 up"
[06:51] <Almtesh> meganerd, as root, it was "brctl addif br0 wlan0", as user, I preappended "sudo".
[06:51] <TJ-> SwedeMike: At this stage, unless there is some custom grub configuration, I can't think why you can't simply remove the legacy grub installation and install grub2 from scratch, along with the kernel packages
[06:51] <SwedeMike> TJ-: well, that was available from the usb boot disk, but I didn't do anything specific before I chrooted. I guess I should have taken care of that. So use looback mounting for those?
[06:51] <Almtesh> meganerd, good idea, I try.
[06:52] <meganerd> Almtesh: you did create the bridge interface first?
[06:52] <TJ-> SwedeMike: I have a script to auto-mount all the chroot requirements, take a look... you can use it as a guide, or use it directly https://iam.tj/projects/misc/chroot-auto.bash
[06:52] <Almtesh> meganerd, yes, the bridge exists, I double-checked.
[06:52] <SwedeMike> TJ-: thanks!
[06:53] <brucelee> did 14.04 get completely changed over? im from red hat, and somehow changing the /etc/network/interfaces and doing /etc/init.d/networking restart doesnt do anything
[06:53] <brucelee> anyone know how i can restart the networking?
[06:53] <Almtesh> meganerd, it even works with the wired interface.
[06:53] <TJ-> brucelee: Server or Desktop (ifupdown or NetworkManager) ?
[06:53] <brucelee> server
[06:53] <brucelee> what do you mean ifupdown or networkmanager
[06:53] <Almtesh> brucelee, you could do /etc/init.d/networking restart, but it's deprecaded.
[06:53] <TJ-> brucelee: nothing much has changed on the ifupdown side
[06:54] <brucelee> it doesnt work, it doesnt do anything, after i do /etc/init.d/networking restart, and i do ifconfig, nothing changed
[06:54] <meganerd> brucelee: what are you trying to accomplish?
[06:54] <brucelee> im trying to set an ip
[06:54] <brucelee> ip, subnet, gateway, etc
[06:54] <meganerd> brucelee: ifdown eth0 && ifup eth0
[06:54] <brucelee> when i do that, it tells me that eth0 is not configured
[06:54] <TJ-> brucelee: the "/etc/network/interfaces" files is processed by the ifupdown tools. Network Manager takes over interface management of any interface not listed in that file, but not interfaces that are (which can be changed in its configuration)
[06:54] <meganerd> brucelee: assuming that the correct settings are in /etc/networking/interfaces
[06:55] <meganerd> brucelee: assuming that the correct settings are in /etc/network/interfaces
[06:55] <Almtesh> meganerd, I can't bring the interface up.
[06:55] <meganerd> Almtesh: are you trying to build your own AP?
[06:55] <Almtesh> meganerd, 3: wlan0: <NO-CARRIER,BROADCAST,MULTICAST,UP> mtu 1500 qdisc mq state DOWN mode DORMANT qlen 1000
[06:55] <zacwalls> http://imgur.com/IzmFOPP what do you guys think the prob is? i cant think of anything.
[06:56] <Almtesh> meganerd, no, I'm trying to add a wireless interface to a bridge.
[06:56] <TJ-> Almtesh: what does this report? "sudo ip link set dev wlan0 up" ?
[06:56] <brucelee> meganerd: how do i tell whether i configured the /etc/network/interfaces correctly?
[06:56] <brucelee> it looks correct to me
[06:57] <Almtesh> TJ-, no text, returns 0.
[06:57] <meganerd> brucelee: what happens when you type "sudo ifup eth0" (or whatever the interface is)?
[06:58] <TJ-> Almtesh: and "ip link show wlan0" - does it show as "DOWN" still ?
[06:58] <Almtesh> TJ-, yes, even if the ip command returns 0 and don't show any error.
[06:59] <brucelee> meganerd: it says RTNETLINK answers: File exists
[06:59] <brucelee> Failed to bring up eth0
[06:59] <Almtesh> meganerd, TJ-, I have another host with the wlan0 interface up.
[06:59] <TJ-> Almtesh: Have you used wpa_supplicant to authenticate to the AP ?
[06:59] <meganerd> Almtesh: new wrinkle, need to "udo iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on" first
[07:00] <brucelee> butw hen i type ifdown eth0, it says ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
[07:00] <meganerd> Almtesh: new wrinkle, need to "sudo iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on" first
[07:00] <Almtesh> TJ-, yes, I did.
[07:00] <TJ-> Almtesh: does "iwconfig wlan0" confirm it is still associated?
[07:00] <meganerd> Almtesh: that iw dev command is new to me, though I stopped building my own wireless routers a couple of years ago.
[07:01] <meganerd> brucelee: "sudo ifdown eth0" first
[07:01] <Almtesh> meganerd, your "sudo iw dev wlan0 set 4addr on" works!
[07:01] <meganerd> Almtesh: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1681045
[07:01] <meganerd> Almtesh: I had to resort to the google gods.
[07:01] <brucelee> meganerd: i did that and it says "ifdown failed: eth0 not configured"
[07:02] <meganerd> brucelee: was eth0 dhcp before?
[07:02] <zacwalls> nvm
[07:02] <brucelee> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured to be exact
[07:02] <brucelee> nah
[07:02] <brucelee> it was always static
[07:02] <brucelee> i messed up configuring the gateway, so i just wanted to change that
[07:02] <meganerd> brucelee: sudo ip link set eth0 down
[07:02] <TJ-> brucelee: Is there an "eth0" (you may be suffering biosdevname fatigue) ?
[07:02] <Almtesh> meganerd, you had to do what?
[07:02] <brucelee> ill paste the interfaces
[07:02] <meganerd> brucelee: does "ip addr" show the old or new IP?
[07:03] <brucelee> i changed the gateway...
[07:03] <brucelee> not the ip
[07:03] <meganerd> Almtesh: https://www.google.com/search?q=can%27t+add+wlan0+to+bridge+br0%3A+Operation+not+supported&ie=UTF-8
[07:03] <TJ-> brucelee: "ip link list"
[07:03] <brucelee> ok
[07:03] <meganerd> brucelee: ip route
[07:04] <brucelee> im connecting to it using ipmi
[07:04] <brucelee> theres no way for me to copy and paste
[07:04] <Almtesh> meganerd, interresting, that's what I've been looking for, you're surelly a google god yourself.
[07:04] <brucelee> ip link list shows 3 interfaces, lo, eth0, eth1
[07:05] <TJ-> brucelee: OK, so no biosdevname then
[07:05] <meganerd> Almtesh: I have no idea how I ran Linux or fixed computers before Google, and yet I did
[07:05] <brucelee> but it shows eth1, even though i have eth0
[07:05] <brucelee> only
[07:05] <brucelee> in /etc/network/interfaces i dont even have eth0
[07:05] <brucelee> i mean
[07:05] <brucelee> i have eth0, but i dont have eth1
[07:05] <brucelee> but ip link list shows eth1
[07:05] <meganerd> brucelee: did you change motherboards or NICs?
[07:06] <TJ-> brucelee: Are the MAC (hardware) addresses different?
[07:06] <brucelee> nope
[07:06] <brucelee> this is a brand new ubuntu install
[07:06] <brucelee> the system has 2 nics, but only 1 is configured
[07:06] <meganerd> brucelee: check in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules
[07:06] <TJ-> brucelee: That explains eth0 and eth1 then
[07:06] <brucelee> the /etc/network/interfaces file only shows eth0 configured
[07:06] <brucelee> ah ok
[07:07] <brucelee> but yeah i cant do ifdown
[07:07] <brucelee> ifdown: interface is not configured
[07:07] <meganerd> brucelee: OK, which device is listed as UP?
[07:07] <TJ-> brucelee: Are you sure that eth0 and eth1 aren't swapped? what happens if you swap the port the Ethernet cable is in?
[07:07] <brucelee> lo state UNKNOWN
[07:07] <brucelee> eth0 state UP
[07:07] <brucelee> eth1 state DOWN
[07:08] <TJ-> brucelee: OK, pastebin your 'interfaces' file then
[07:08] <brucelee> i dont have local access to it... but i dont think its swapped, i assigned an ip to it, and i was able to connect to it
[07:08] <meganerd> what TJ- said
[07:08] <brucelee> this is connected via ipmi, i cant copy/paste...
[07:08] <meganerd> brucelee: what does ip route say?
[07:08] <brucelee> its 1 line
[07:08] <TJ-> brucelee: the UP status is enough, it must have a cable connected
[07:09] <brucelee> its ip_of_network/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src ip_of_machine
[07:09] <meganerd> brucelee: "sudo ip route add default via <gateway Ip> dev eth0"
[07:09] <yz3pD> i want to install skype4py on my pc but when i run setup.py it exits with this error message: ImportError: No module named setuptools
[07:09] <brucelee> meganerd: says invalid argument to that
[07:10] <meganerd> brucelee: is your gateway on the same subnet ad the IP assigned to eth0?
[07:10] <Ishai> good morning, could anyone help me writing a script? the info is here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/504140/scanning-a-folder-for-new-files-and-then-running-them-trough-cuckoo
[07:10] <zacwalls> anyone else play minecraft when there boerd ?
[07:10] <brucelee> meganerd: yeah same gateway
[07:11] <meganerd> brucelee: lets say your ip is 10.0.0.2/24, and the gateway is 10.0.0.1, does this reflect your layout?
[07:12] <TJ-> brucelee: "eth0 is not configured" tells us that there's an error in 'interfaces'
[07:13] <qtrain> Hello.  I was wondering if there is a good way to keep track of scripts in a linux distro.  I have a bunch of bash scripts, python scripts etc and i always forget how to run them..  Is there a way to keep track of them in the command line for easy access?
[07:13] <eeee> Ishai: i guess you could ls the directory, sort and save, then ls later, sort, and comm -23 to check for additions
[07:14] <brucelee> TJ-: ok
[07:14] <export_> qtrain: you mean how to call them?
[07:15] <brucelee> let me look up a correct version of /etc/network/interfaces
[07:15] <meganerd> brucelee: "ip addr add 10.0.0.2/24 dev eth0", replacing the IP with the one you want to use
[07:15] <TJ-> qtrain: usually, keep then in either $HOME/bin/ or /usr/local/bin/, and ensure each can print it's usage options when receiving no arguments, or if getting "--help"
[07:15] <meganerd> brucelee: then "ip route add default via 10.0.0.1 dev eth0" to add the default route
[07:15] <Ishai> eeee: I want to create a folder called malware. in that folder, i will throw malwares that i discover. whenever i add a new file, i want the next command to be executed: python submit.py <the new file>
[07:16] <qtrain> export: yes how to call them and any other relevant info i might need - parameters for the scripts for example.  I'm thinking something like my own man pages.  I figured I could just keep track of them as gists but i wanted to use something where i didn't have to leave the CL
[07:16] <meganerd> brucelee: then "echo nameserver 8.8.8.8 |tee /etc/resolv.conf" to get DNS, install pastebinit, then we can get you interfaces file
[07:16] <north> Hi. Since my recent system update, whenever I click on the app icon in the dock, it shows all the open instances of app (say multiple windows in case of firefox), but when I click on particular window, it I end up seeing a random window of the lot. Why does this happen ? Is it happening to others also ?
[07:17] <qtrain> TJ: ok "print it's usage options"  I'm not sure how to do that.  I will google, but, do you have any resources you might be able to point me to?
[07:17] <eeee> Ishai: if you type ls | sort > listoffiles, then add a file, type ls | sort > listoffilesnew , then type comm -23 listoffilesnew listoffiles, you'd get the added filenames
[07:18] <Ishai> eeee: ok so thats how i see which new files i added. now how i make it as a script, and perform the python command on them?
[07:18] <TJ-> qtrain: if your script takes 2 arguments, have it show those with a description, like most other command-line tools do
[07:19] <qtrain> TJ: ok i will look up how to do that.  I'm new to linux.  But, will I be able to run the scripts globally from there?  I know you need to include them in your PATH but like i said very much a novice
[07:20] <eeee> Ishai: well, i guess you could write a script that keeps checking every whatever minutes or seconds for changes
[07:20] <bipul> Hello, I am looking for a help. I am unable to setup CLASSPATH and PATH variables appropriately for log4j file.
[07:20] <TJ-> qtrain: I put all my scripts in "/usr/local/bin/" so they are available to all users
[07:20] <SwedeMike> TJ-: I don't understand "/path/to/mountpoint /dev/path/to/root-filesystem" , how should I invoke your script?
[07:20] <qtrain> TJ: ok thx very much for your advice
[07:20] <Ishai> eeee: ok but how can i perform an action whenever there is a new file?
[07:20] <TJ-> Ishai: You should use "inoticoming" for what you want, it is designed for it.
[07:21] <meganerd> brucelee: how are you making out?
[07:22] <brucelee> meganerd: how does pastebin work
[07:22] <brucelee> i cant paste teh IPs
[07:22] <brucelee> not that i dont trust you guys
[07:22] <meganerd> cat /etc/network/interfaces |pastebinit
[07:22] <Ishai> TJ-: i actually tried it, but i couldnt find on global-options the scan for new files :{
[07:22] <TJ-> SwedeMike: assuming you've created a mountpoint directory for the chroot at /path/to/mountpoint/, and you have a device containing the root file-system at /dev/path/to/root-filesystem, it'll mount file-system at /path/to/mountpoint, look at the fstab and mount the file-systems mentioned there, too
[07:22] <meganerd> brucelee: OH, this is publically routable IPs?
[07:22] <SwedeMike> TJ-: ah, ok, check. Thanks.
[07:23] <TJ-> Ishai: "man inoticoming" and the "GLOBAL OPTIONS" section
[07:23] <zacwalls> can someone give me script writing tips...considering i have know idea how to write one.
[07:23] <brucelee> it works
[07:23] <brucelee> by doing ifup --force eth0
[07:23] <meganerd> brucelee: did my walkthrough help you get connectivity at least?  Then you can copy and paste into pastebin.ubuntu.com and redact before submitting.
[07:23] <Ishai> TJ-: yea i know, in the man i couldnt find any option to scan..
[07:24] <brucelee> i was able to do what i wanted by doing ifdown --force
[07:24] <brucelee> and ifup --force
[07:24] <TJ-> Ishai: It is a daemon, it continues running and does the action every time a new file appears
[07:25] <brucelee> meganerd: so this explains that the interfaces file had correct syntax
[07:25] <brucelee> somehow it just wont restart it unless you force it
[07:25] <meganerd> brucelee: you made changes before ifdown,
[07:25] <Ishai> TJ-: ah let me expain, i tried doing this: inoticoming <dont know which global option will scan a specific folder> python submit.py
[07:26] <TJ-> brucelee: is/was the root file-system read-only?
[07:26] <Ishai> so after it will find a new file, it will python submit.py it
[07:26] <brucelee> TJ-: i can edit files no prob
[07:26] <brucelee> i can edit the interfaces file
[07:26] <SwedeMike> TJ-: with the loopback mounts (I did them manually), it seems grub was able to install a kernel
[07:27] <brucelee> i changed it to some network settings that didnt work
[07:27] <brucelee> then i wasnt able to ifdown and ifup
[07:27] <brucelee> then i had to use ifdown --force, and ifup --force to get it to change into a working one
[07:27] <TJ-> brucelee: OK, because a read-only root FS can cause that too, since the state file can't be written
[07:28] <brucelee> :P
[07:28] <brucelee> good to know
[07:28] <brucelee> about all these oddities in ubuntu (no offense)
[07:28] <meganerd> brucelee: they all have them
[07:28] <brucelee> redhat doesnt have it
[07:28] <meganerd> brucelee: oddities that is
[07:29] <brucelee> i can change the file, service network restart
[07:29] <brucelee> done
[07:29] <brucelee> :P
[07:29] <brucelee> oh yeah
[07:29] <brucelee> im sure redhat has its fair share
[07:29] <unopaste> brucelee you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[07:29] <meganerd> brucelee: if you like running effed up kernels :P
[07:29] <TJ-> Ishai: e.g. "inoticoming --regexp '.*' python submit.py" will match all new names
[07:46] <apb1963> Anyone use mpg123 successfully?
[07:46] <apb1963> ubuntu 12.04
[07:51] <Beldar> apb1963, Help is generated wit addressing the actual issue.
[07:51] <Beldar> with*
[07:51] <apb1963> [mpg123.c:560] error: Unknown mpeg MIME type audio/x-scpls;charset=ISO-8859-1 - is it perhaps a playlist (use -@)?
[07:51] <apb1963> [mpg123.c:561] error: If you know the stream is mpeg1/2 audio, then please report this as mpg123 bug
[07:52] <apb1963> I get those errors with: /usr/bin/mpg123 -s http://yp.shoutcast.com/sbin/tunein-station.pls?id=175152
[07:54] <BESSDER55> http://hd18xxxmovies.blogspot.com/2014/07/2014-best-hd-movies-adults-only.html
[07:54] <Beldar> apb1963, Are you cli only E.g a server?
[07:55] <apb1963> Beldar: no
[07:56] <BlackDalek> hey... is there ANY way to specify paper tray selections for each page in a 2 page document using LibreOffice Writer? Example - like this option in Word http://images.tn-services.com/S01/Figs/T3519F1.jpg
[07:57] <dExIT> Hi, wanted to ask how can i write correct iptable rules if my old server had (it's a SQUID) - eth0 = WAN, eth1 = LAN, but now by some bizzare mistake or whatever, i have eth0 = LAN and eth1 = WAN, i have the old iptable DUMP, and i thought is it okay to just to swap the interfaces in the iptable's dump file and import it in to the new server
[07:58] <dExIT> any1 ?
[07:58] <laloune> hello all, can somebody tell me how I can upgrade xubuntu 12.10 ? I don't find the update manager, and "apt-get dist-upgrade" did not help :-(
[07:59] <apb1963> dExIT: should work.  Make sure you have a backup of your current config if you don't want to lose it, and try it.
[08:00] <Beldar> BlackDalek,  you might try #libreoffice
[08:00] <metaspike> laloune, you might have to apt-get update first?!
[08:00] <dExIT> apb1963: so i if by some reason it doesnt work i just restore iptables right?
[08:00] <BlackDalek> Beldar, already there ;)
[08:00] <metaspike> laloune, google it?! :)
[08:00] <dExIT> it will append ? ( ok im going to make a server snapshot )
[08:00] <apb1963> dExIT: if you've backedup the files, yes
[08:01] <laloune> metaspike : well good point. I modified the sources.list, replacing quantal by precise
[08:01] <metaspike> that will definately have an effect then, but you will still have to update first
[08:02] <Beldar> BlackDalek, look at paper orientationin help
[08:02] <laloune> "locked and loaded" ! that's running by now :-)
[08:02] <apb1963> dExIT: iptables-save > iptables.savefile
[08:02] <metaspike> i would dist-upgrade from safemode or terminal (eg no X)  .... incase it stops during d-u
[08:03] <daftykins> laloune: when you say quantal -> precise, that's going from 12.10 to 12.04 - so you're attempting a downgrade which isn't supported
[08:03] <metaspike> preference
[08:03] <metaspike> haha hey yeah
[08:04] <daftykins> laloune: can you run "cat /etc/issue" and paste the single line?
[08:05] <laloune> daftykins: Ubuntu 12.10
[08:05] <daftykins> laloune: in which case, to upgrade to a supporter release you'd have to upgrade 3 times. you'd be better off backing up and clean installing 14.04
[08:05] <daftykins> *supported
[08:06] <laloune> isn't supported to upgrade 3 times ?
[08:06] <metaspike> fresh is best :)
[08:06] <daftykins> laloune: the potential for breakage is huge - plus it'll take forever
[08:06] <laloune> okay then :)
[08:07] <daftykins> laloune: plus if you've ever added any PPAs those would need to be removed first
[08:07] <daftykins> so yeah, clean install will save you a lot of time, a lot of downloading - and a lot of disk thrashing
[08:07] <laloune> okay you convinced me :)
[08:07] <daftykins> \o/
[08:07] <daftykins> gogo gadget backup it is then
[08:08] <laloune> all my data is my /home, I guess this won't be overwritten right ?
[08:08] <Beldar> the purge boss the purge...yes tattoo
[08:08] <daftykins> laloune: if it's a separate partition, you can just boot 14.04 media, format / and preserve /home and be back in minutes \o/
[08:10] <theadmin> laloune: You can choose your existing root partition and install without formatting. This will preserve data in /home as well as attempt to reinstall apps you had.
[08:11] <laloune> oh ok !
[08:11] <theadmin> laloune: You will have to use the custom partitioning tool though.
[08:11] <daftykins> but that would also defeat the purpose of a lovely clean install
[08:11] <daftykins> bad bad bad
[08:12] <metaspike> and any new advances in filesystem standards would be ignored...
[08:12] <laloune> daftykins: what do you mean ?
[08:12] <laloune> is this a counterargument for clean install ?
[08:13] <daftykins> i just don't like theadmin's idea :D
[08:13] <daftykins> i'd nuke / from orbit - it's the only way to be sure
[08:14] <theadmin> daftykins: Eh... it does remove everything, it just reads a list of packages that are installed and then apt-gets them for you
[08:14] <theadmin> daftykins: Saves you from doing that stuff manually
[08:14] <theadmin> daftykins: Well, removes everything except /home that is.
[08:15] <Beldar> could do the same with a dpkg
[08:15] <metaspike> best way: copy /home/ to a external disk, formatted to ext4 or 3, try to preserve meta-data... create new parition on disk to be reinstalled, do a fresh install, new filesystem, everything, copy just what you need back across. otherwise, suffer regressions and cruft from previous install, including everything that starts with '.*
[08:15] <metaspike> i even create a new parition table before paritioning, but watevers
[08:15] <daftykins> metaspike: when you're not even going to read enough to see /home is separate, it gets a little tedious
[08:16] <metaspike> sure, tedius, but it's less tedius than having things load and break because their obsolete configs are still there from the previous install
[08:17] <alsetema> Good day / night
[08:17] <laloune> do you want me to post df  ?
[08:17] <varunendra> good afternoon alsetema :)
[08:17] <laloune> http://pastebin.com/JXvf0AXa
[08:17] <alsetema> or afternoon :P
[08:18] <alsetema> may I post my question here?
[08:18] <dadio> Yes
[08:19] <Beldar> alsetema, This is ubuntu support what do you think?
[08:19] <daftykins> Beldar: careful, we don't pay them to think
[08:19] <alsetema> ^^''
[08:19] <BlackDalek> I am having a lot of difficulty trying to work out the built in help for LibreOffice Writer. The interface of the Writer component seems to be completely at odds with what is written in the help documentation - Is the documentation very out of date?
[08:19] <Beldar> daftykins, heh, no that is us.;)
[08:19] <daftykins> metaspike: move command would do the same thing ;)
[08:20] <Beldar> BlackDalek, Not something past their developers would know and they have a channel
[08:21] <Abhijit> BlackDalek, we also have #libreoffice
[08:21] <metaspike> i've been messing with rsync lately, it's actually pretty tight when it comes to backups
[08:21] <alsetema> Okay nevermind, somehow the problem has been solved by itself
[08:23] <daftykins> ah my favourite kind of problem
[08:23] <metaspike> laloune, is that... german? :) aw geez, i think your /home is encrypted?!
[08:24] <metaspike> dunno..
[08:24] <daftykins> looks pretty likely
[08:24] <laloune> metaspike : right, this is german :-) and yes /home is encrypted... this has been installed by a colleague
[08:24] <daftykins> that changes everything
[08:24] <laloune> I should somewhat ask but he's on vacantion
[08:24] <Christoph_vW> what happened to the update to 14.04.1? looks like it is getting a "tardy tahr"...
[08:24] <laloune> vacation*
[08:25] <metaspike> yep, laloune, i would find a good way to backup to external drive and see if you can access files with another installation before reinstalling incase you loose access to your files.
[08:26] <metaspike> or test with a live disc
[08:27] <metaspike> to be careful?
[08:27] <alsetema> Was there going to be a 14.04.1 release?
[08:27] <adymitruk> Can you run Unity along with Elementary desktops on Ubuntu?
[08:27] <Christoph_vW> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule   --> 24th of July
[08:28] <daftykins> it has been
[08:28] <daftykins> Christoph_vW: give this a try "do-release-upgrade -p"
[08:28] <krambiorix> hi, this doesn't work : /usr/bin/rsync -avp -e ssh /root/sqlbackup.sql target_server_ip:/home/backups/sqlbackup`date +%Y%m%d`.sql   -> anyone any idea?
[08:28] <dadio> Adymitruk, yes, at login you can choos
[08:29] <meganerd> krambiorix: instead of -e ssh, use user@host:/root/sqlbackup.sql for the destination
[08:30] <alsetema> I don't see a point for a 14.04.1 release
[08:30] <Christoph_vW> works with -p
[08:31] <alsetema> And in august a 12.04.5 release
[08:31] <krambiorix> meganerd the transfer works, but the date hasn't been appended
[08:31] <alsetema> What is going on?
[08:31] <somsip> alsetema: AIUI, it is a base install image that includes all of the package upgrades since 14.04 was released. That's all
[08:32] <meganerd> set the date on the local file, then rsync it to the remote folder
[08:32] <meganerd> I just use rdiff-backup these days
[08:32] <alsetema> I mean , if they waited untill october they could make a 14.10 release like it is to be expected
[08:32] <somsip> alsetema: 14.10 is not LTS
[08:33] <alsetema> Hmm I see
[08:33] <daftykins> alsetema: it's just a label.
[08:33] <geirha> alsetema: so that when you install a fresh install of 12.04 today, you don't have a million updates to install afterwards
[08:33] <alsetema> That quite makes sense
[08:33] <Christoph_vW> 14.04.1 is req. to update from 12.04 ...
[08:34] <daftykins> 12.04.5 'comes out' soon i believe
[08:34] <alsetema> I also read somewhere there wasn't going to be a 15.xx release
[08:34] <daftykins> that sounds like lies
[08:34] <alsetema> 12.04.5 is suposed to come in august
[08:34] <somsip> alsetema: where is 'somewhere'? Seems very wrong
[08:35] <daftykins> unless the whole year 2015 is cancelled, but the Mayans didn't say anything
[08:35] <alsetema> Let me check
[08:35] <BlackDalek> #libreoffice channel is devoid of life. Anyway, I solved one issue by talking to myself in there.
[08:35] <alsetema> hahha
[08:35] <svetlana> :o
[08:35] <daftykins> BlackDalek: excellent support
[08:35] <svetlana> yes, rubber duck debugging :-)
[08:37] <ofdm> I need some help with data recovery. I did 'dd if=/dev/sda1 of=image.bin'. How do I read the filesystem in image.bin?
[08:39] <alsetema> Here, it is in spanish but...    http://www.ubuntizando.com/2014/01/09/no-habra-ubuntu-15-04/
[08:39] <daftykins> no thanks.
[08:40] <TheMight> hi!
[08:40] <gshmu> Changing default encode to 'utf-8'
[08:41] <gshmu> how to change it?
[08:41] <LunaVorax> Hello everyone!
[08:41] <somsip> alsetema: if you read it, you will see that the idea of '15.04 will not be released' is followed by 'at least, not as we know it'. FUD
[08:42] <alsetema> But summing up, it says ubuntu 15.04 wont be released because canonical wanth the ubuntu touch ( the mobile OS) to be like the same release dates so it says It wont be released in the expected time
[08:42] <alsetema> somsip, are they trying to say they are going to mess it up like from windows 7 to windows 8?
[08:42] <somsip> alsetema: you need to ask them that. Not everything on the internet is true
[08:43] <daftykins> alsetema: we don't do random chat here, it's support or nothing i'm afraid. #ubuntu-offtopic for anything else
[08:43] <alsetema> okay okay sorry
[08:44] <broglin> I am getting "Hash Sum mismatch" when running apt-get update - I've tried the solution here without success http://askubuntu.com/questions/41605/trouble-downloading-updates-due-to-a-hash-sum-mismatch-error
[08:44] <crash_x> buenos días
[08:44] <broglin> What should I do now? I've just added the repository http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/ and this is the one that is failing
[08:45] <daftykins> broglin: version?
[08:45] <broglin> daftykins: precise
[08:45] <daftykins> specifically? (cat /etc/issue)
[08:45] <broglin> daftykins: Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[08:46] <SP33D> hi frinds i expirence problems on the community page
[08:46] <daftykins> ok one moment
[08:46] <SP33D> i try to edit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HttpReplicator
[08:46] <broglin> daftykins: thanks
[08:47] <krejsi> Hi, Im trying to preseed ubuntu, right now I have this as my partitioning http://paste.debian.net/112610/ . What is the meaning of "40 50 100 ext4" in the boot partition?
[08:47] <daftykins> broglin: backup your sources.list , make a fresh one using a site such as this on the main repo and see how you get on - http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[08:47] <SP33D> it says login to edit then i login then i get login startpage so i am logged in decide what to share and then when i go back to the content https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HttpReplicator i am logged out
[08:47] <SP33D> i don't get why that happens
[08:47] <daftykins> SP33D: sounds like you have cookies off or something, try another browser
[08:48] <SP33D> i never have cookies of i am fullstack programmer that uses a lot of cookies maybe clearing cache is the solution so
[08:48] <SP33D> thx
[08:49] <crash_x> canales en español? estoy perdido
[08:49] <broglin> daftykins: right, I'll give it a go
[08:51] <DJones> !es | crash_x
[08:52] <alsetema> That sounds quite formal
[08:54] <broglin> daftykins: I selected only official ubuntu repos in sources.list but I still have the same error. The problem repos are listed in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ddebs.list
[08:54] <alsetema> Wait, how many bots are there in this channel?
[08:54] <broglin> daftykins: I'm following instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe
[08:54] <daftykins> broglin: you are running 'apt-get update' after yes? that's when you get the error?
[08:55] <broglin> daftykins: right
[08:55] <broglin> daftykins: it is still hitting all the repos in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/* (which I haven't changed)
[08:55] <jnhghy> on 12.04 I'm trying to install google chrome, I get error reguarding libnss3, I've serached stackoverflow and I understood I need to remove it? don't know why... but when I try to remove it apt tries to remove 63 packages includeing ubuntu-desktop ... which of course I don't want to delete ... what should I do now?
[08:56] <daftykins> broglin: oh so you have plenty of PPAs eh?
[08:56] <daftykins> broglin: wouldn't hurt for a test to temporarily move those elsewhere, see if it changes, then go back if it doesn't
[08:57] <broglin> daftykins: ok
[08:57] <broglin> daftykins: ok, with those files moved, apt-get update works fine
[08:58] <broglin> daftykins: what I want is to get this repo working so I can install a debugging kernel image: http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/pool/main/l/linux/
[08:59] <broglin> daftykins: but when I move the ddebs.list file with those repos back to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ I get the hash sum error again
[08:59] <carragher> Hello mates, is somebody experiencing flash problems with chrome on 14.04 LTS?
[08:59] <broglin> daftykins: does that mean something is wrong with the repo? or with my setup?
[09:00] <vini> can someone help me with virtual box kernel drivers?
[09:01] <broglin> daftykins: here's the contents of that file: http://pastebin.com/RZVrnjY3
[09:01] <leeyaa> hello
[09:01] <Beldar> broglin, Not sure just adding a web page is a repo add, what makes you think it is?
[09:01] <leeyaa> i have this weird problem with logrotate. it creates files with 1.1.1.1.gz extensions instead of 2.gz 3.gz etc
[09:02] <SP33D> leeyaa then your logrotate config tells it to use that syntax recheck the logrotate config
[09:02] <broglin> Beldar: I don't, I was just using the url as shorthand. I'm trying to follow the instructions under 'Inspecting the Crash Dump' at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/CrashdumpRecipe
[09:02] <broglin> Beldar: I generated the ddebs.list file and put it in /etc/apt/sources.list.d - see http://pastebin.com/RZVrnjY3
[09:03] <broglin> Beldar: apt-get update hits the ddebs.ubuntu.com urls but says Hash Sum mismatch at the end :-(
[09:04] <Beldar> broglin, in the info there is a $(lsb_release -cs)  I think your missing the $ just a guess though
[09:04] <broglin> Beldar: would you mind adding that repo yourself and seeing if apt-get update gives a hash sum error?
[09:04] <Beldar> no
[09:05] <Beldar> err yes I would mind insert the $ and try again broglin
[09:05] <broglin> Beldar: er, no that's not right. Without the $ bash wouldn't have expanded the braces
[09:05] <Beldar> broglin, just going by what it shows
[09:05] <broglin> Beldar: I definitely included the $ before, because in the file it says precise instead of $(lsb_release -cs)
[09:06] <Beldar> broglin, Try it with the $ and see
[09:06] <broglin> Beldar: you mean a literal $ in the file? That's ... wrong.
[09:07] <Beldar> okay if you say so the release is the only bracketed
[09:07] <broglin> Beldar: man bash
[09:07] <Beldar> you can argue with yourself
[09:08] <broglin> Beldar: try this: man bash | grep -A6 'Command subst'
[09:08] <broglin> Beldar: but thanks for trying
[09:08] <Beldar> I will try ignore thanx
[09:08] <broglin> Beldar: grand
[09:09] <broglin> daftykins: would you mind testing the ddebs repo for me to see if you get the same hash error?
[09:13] <vini> any solution for missing kernel module for virtualbox?
[09:13] <broglin> vini: how are you installing virtualbox?
[09:14] <vini> i tried from ubuntu repository and tried using ,deb from virtualbox.org
[09:15] <vini> The VirtualBox Linux kernel driver (vboxdrv) is either not loaded or there is a permission problem with /dev/vboxdrv. Please reinstall the kernel module by executing
[09:15] <vini> '/etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[09:15] <Beldar> vini, What OS and kernel are you running in vbox?
[09:16] <vini> amm i tried to mount windows 8
[09:16] <broglin> vini: which ubuntu version?
[09:16] <vini> 14.10
[09:16] <bugtraq> Hello people!! is there any rss feed notifer. I want to have it for one of the forums I regularly read, but I can only read forums when, I provide my username and password for the forums
[09:16] <vini> i dont know which kernel i have
[09:17] <cfhowlett> vini 14.10??? see #ubuntu_1 for support
[09:17] <cfhowlett> #ubuntu+1
[09:17] <sillopotatis> ^i 2nd that
[09:17] <cfhowlett> !utopic
[09:17] <broglin> vini: see also http://askubuntu.com/questions/205154/virtualbox-etc-init-d-vboxdrv-setup-issue
[09:17] <sillopotatis> Does anyone know where I can find info on different linux RSS notifiers?
[09:17] <cfhowlett> !rss
[09:17] <Kartagis> !rss
[09:18] <Kartagis> ubottu has no idea
[09:18] <vini> cfhowlett, you gave me a wrong channel
[09:18] <cfhowlett> vini 14.10 is discussed in #ubuntu+1
[09:19] <cfhowlett>   +1              not _1 as I incorrectly stated
[09:19] <cfhowlett> sillopotatis software center search term "rss"
[09:20] <sillopotatis> cfhowlett thanks, but I'd rather ask the users
[09:21] <broglin> sillopotatis: http://lifehacker.com/5886059/the-best-news-reader-application-for-linux
[09:25] <alfonsojon> hello, has the wine PPA dropped precise?
[09:26] <cfhowlett> !wine
[09:26] <alfonsojon> it seems 1.7.18 is the last build to be available for Precise, whereas Trusty already has 1.7.23
[09:26] <cfhowlett> alfonsojon wine is in the repos so ... why PPA?
[09:26] <alfonsojon> cfhowlett: using wine1.7
[09:26] <alfonsojon> not in repos
[09:27] <Beldar> why does it matter?
[09:28] <alfonsojon> Because I'm using Elementary OS (based on Precise) and I would like to use Wine 1.7.23 for the sake of testing
[09:28] <alfonsojon> Up until now, I've gotten all updates to the 1.7 series just fine
[09:28] <alfonsojon> I asked in #wine, they sent me here
[09:28] <Beldar> alfonsojon, Well you are on the wrong channel for the OS
[09:28] <DJones> alfonsojon: You'd have to ask the PPA maintainer, we have no control over ppa's
[09:29] <alfonsojon> Beldar: Elementary uses the precise repos
[09:29] <alfonsojon> but alright, thanks
[09:29] <alfonsojon> I'll ask the maintainer.
[09:29] <Beldar> probably best. ;)
[09:29] <DJones> !elementary | alfonsojon A better channel to ask in will be their own channel, Elementary wouldn't be supported here because its not an official release of Ubuntu,
[09:30] <alfonsojon> I asked here because this problem would presumably have a bigger impact on the Precise users, considering more people use 12.04 than use Elementary :p
[09:30] <lisbeth___> Hey I am running ubuntu 12.04 LTS
[09:30] <lisbeth___> I need to downgrade my kernel to 13.12.5 to support some software
[09:31] <lisbeth___> and I installed the debs and dpkg'd -i them all
[09:31] <lisbeth___> but after reboot uname -r says I Have the most current kernel and not 13.12.5
[09:31] <alfonsojon> lisbeth___: Touching your kernel is dangerous
[09:31] <daftykins> lisbeth___: hold left shift before boot, go to advanced options, pick the kernel
[09:31] <alfonsojon> just a tip :P
[09:32] <Beldar> alfonsojon, We have seen no impact here, what ever that would be, not all apps are the latest.
[09:32] <daftykins> lisbeth___: but know that downgrading could be bad. here be dragons.
[09:33] <lisbeth___> I just need it to use a shell script once
[09:34] <lisbeth___> I will try holding left shift but I am using a chromebook
[09:34] <lisbeth___> so the bios is not the same
[09:35] <alfonsojon> lisbeth___: that's a different story
[09:35] <alfonsojon> What kind of Chromebook?
[09:35] <alfonsojon> If it's ARM-based, you'll need to flash the new kernel to the kernel partition
[09:35] <Ben64> lisbeth___: what debs did you install? seems like you're heading to "can't boot land"
[09:35] <danou_> my girlfriend : http://70.81.112.235:81/C%3A/Dan/photos/m/mylene2.jpg
[09:36] <Ben64> danou_: definitely not on topic here
[09:36] <danou_> oops
[09:36] <danou_> sorry
[09:36] <alfonsojon> danou_: what
[09:36] <alfonsojon> why
[09:37] <lisbeth___> it's the acer c720
[09:38] <lisbeth___> I don't believe it is arm based
[09:46] <alfonsojon> holy hell
[09:46] <alfonsojon> talk about netsplit
[09:47] <lisbeth___> sorry I meant 3.12.5
[09:47] <lisbeth___> not 13.12.5
[09:47] <wincher> sdfasdf
[09:47] <wincher> hey
[09:47] <cfhowlett> wincher ask  your question
[09:47] <wincher> yeah
[09:47] <wincher> im a new one
[09:48] <metaspike> source47, what's to know?
[09:48] <source47> metaspike: mainly i have a request that doesnt work from one place
[09:48] <source47> but works from another
[09:49] <source47> so i am running for instance wget http://www.boweryboston.com/event/220095-neal-brennan-cambridge/
[09:49] <source47> so the good one: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/developerinlondon/5bc4672b680537fc3d5d/raw/db1901c720002b421fe43354db5ea20e82c25d4b/gistfile1.txt
[09:49] <wincher> ok,i quit
[09:49] <source47> the bad one: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/developerinlondon/4657a5656fd570f26ac3/raw/4c50b09e3b9a4c8c4713042c04dc9d690a24cc53/gistfile1.txt
[09:50] <bekks> source47: And whats the error message you get?
[09:50] <source47> i get a timeout
[09:50] <bekks> So check the routing?
[09:50] <metaspike> packets are such fun
[09:50] <source47> well it connects fine
[09:50] <source47> i can ping etc
[09:51] <source47> and i can ping a whole host of other sites
[09:51] <source47> but a certain subset i always get problems with
[09:51] <bekks> firewall issues?
[09:51] <source47> i thought reading the packets would state the obvious
[09:51] <source47> so why does it work from other places tho?
[09:51] <source47> did u see my tcpdump?
[09:52] <bekks> source47: I did see it, but it is up to you to tell what their content tells you :)
[09:52] <svetlana> I see sda1, sda2, sda5, sda6. Where did 3 and 4 go, and how do I know which one is which?
[09:53] <yz3p> svetlana: gparted will show you more
[09:53] <svetlana> Which size/which data?
[09:53] <source47> how do u mean its upto me bekks?
[09:54] <source47> i cant understand how it can be a firewall issue if certain addresses work
[09:54] <source47> i thought nothing should work
[09:54] <metaspike> source47, check the firewall
[09:55] <metaspike> first
[09:55] <y4h0> ls
[09:55] <metaspike> it could even be the ports are blocked, that range is blocked
[09:55] <source47> firewall allows all port 80
[09:55] <source47> let me doubel check again
[09:56] <source47> its using Amazon SG
[09:56] <wincher> hey
[09:56] <cfhowlett> wincher ask your ubuntu questions
[09:56] <metaspike> svetlana,   lsblk
[09:57] <wincher> taglist:exuberant ctags not found in path
[09:57] <metaspike> source47, check both firewalls...
[09:57] <bekks> source47: I dont get the reason behind showing us the packets. Did you check firewalls, their settings, etc.?
[09:57] <cfhowlett> !details|wincher
[09:58] <metaspike> source47, also ask on #networkin
[09:58] <metaspike> #networking
[09:59] <source47> thanks metaspike
[10:01] <svetlana> metaspike: http://dpaste.com/27A14V2 what is "rom"? where is it physically?
[10:01] <svetlana> yz3p, thanks.
[10:03] <metaspike> svetlana, rom-drive, cdrom, dvd-rom etc
[10:05] <metaspike> sometimes it feels like a job interview in here, all these questions
[10:05] <svetlana> why is it 1024MB if have no CD inserted right now?
[10:06] <cfhowlett> metaspike you have a problem.  no telepaths on duty tonight.  Best way to get needed information to help you: Q + A
[10:07] <Makdaam> hello, what is the authenticated user for CUPS on 14.04? Hint: not root, not a user added to the group specified in cupsd.conf SystemGroup
[10:07] <Makdaam> or how can I reconfigure it?
[10:08] <metaspike> cat /etc/group   to get a list of groups
[10:08] <yz3p> svetlana: sda2 could be windows boot loader partition
[10:13] <source47> metaspike: i opened port 80 on both the SG. and getting this now: https://gist.githubusercontent.com/developerinlondon/1470b9257463c353bb79/raw/b80e6907d4ff64a1c57eacb23f913d108ed9ec90/gistfile1.txt
[10:13] <source47> slightly different but still timeout issue
[10:23] <Guido> hoe kan ik een (netwerk)scanner toevoegen?
[10:23] <k1l> !nl | Guest32626
[10:24] <Guest32626> oh, sorry, how can i add a (netwoork)printer?
[10:24] <Guest32626> *oh, sorry, how can i add a (netwoork)scanner?
[10:25] <du0> When doing an "ip addr" in bash, what is the number in front of the interface name? - ie. the "2" in front of 2: eth0?
[10:27] <bekks> du0: thats the second interface listed
[10:28] <du0> yes, but where does it come from. specifically, when I create a tun device, it gets a higher number everytime
[10:29] <du0> I have a small script that monitors a vpnc connection, that drops out every 17 min. and I reconnect it... so now i have 1: lo, 2: eth0 and 2429: tun0
[10:31] <Guest67767> hello
[10:32] <Guest67767> how can i change my username?
[10:32] <du0> trouble is, all apps using this tunnel, loose their connection everytime the connection is reconnected, and i have to restart them... if i do a ifconfig tun0 destroy, would the new tun0 get "index" 3: tun0 again? - and would that meybe help?
[10:32] <k1l> Guest67767: /nick username
[10:33] <k1l> but if the username is already used by someone else you get renamed to guest
[10:33] <Guest67767> i see, thanks k1l
[10:34] <Guest32626>  how can i add a (netwoork)scanner (for documents etc.)?
[10:34] <du0> the apps themselves connect to the "routers" eth0, and the "router" forwards to the tun0; it allworks, apart from when to tunnel dies and has to be reconnected; And I think that is because the device isn't reused (and why it gets a new index)
[10:35] <user123321> Help, I get a timeout error after "processing trigger for (something)" after installing a package. When I try to reinstall it says that it's already installed. Should I be worried?
[10:36] <user123321> It was a VM running inside a flash drive.
[10:36] <user123321> Flash drive seems to be slow, but did it cause for a timeout error?
[10:37] <k1l> Guest32626: what d you mean with network scanner?
[10:38] <Guest32626> k1l: I have a scanner (with printer) on a windows XP pc. I would like to use the scanner with my linux laptop
[10:39] <k1l> Guest32626: that depends on the make and model of that scanner
[10:40] <Guest32626> k1l: it's conected via USB, Brother DCP 110C, Printer works, I don't even find the setting in Xubuntu for adding any scanner
[10:40] <chacka> hi
[10:42] <chacka> just installed ubuntu on virtualbox. Why does my software center show an incomplete loading symbol event though I've done the apt-get update and upgrade?
[10:42] <mack_> is it possible to install ubuntu 14.04 server without a working internet connection?
[10:42] <bekks> chacka: Ask the ubuntu support please :)
[10:42] <bekks> mack_: Sure.
[10:42] <k1l> Guest32626: sudo apt-get install brother-cups-wrapper-extra brother-lpr-drivers-extra
[10:42] <chacka> bekks: thanks
[10:43] <Guest57360> it keeps asking for the mirror
[10:43] <bekks> chacka: Sorry, I mixed ub channels, I thouht you were asking in #vbox
[10:43] <bekks> chacka: Did you run sudo apt-get update again?
[10:44] <Guest32626> k1l: okee and how do I add it afterwards so that i can use it?
[10:44] <chacka> bekks: just did. btw, ubuntu support is #____?
[10:44] <k1l> Guest32626: did you look into system settings? i dont have a scanner nor xubuntu
[10:45] <bekks> chacka: After running apt-get update, did you run the update check in the software center again?
[10:45] <Guest32626> k1l: yes and there is only a part for printers
[10:45] <k1l> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[10:46] <pixel_> ls
[10:46] <chacka> bekks: how do I run the update check in the software center?
[10:46] <bekks> chacka: I guess there's a button somewhere - I literally never used the software center so far.
[10:47] <pixel_> ls
[10:47] <yz3pD> chacka: it's an extra application update-manager
[10:48] <chacka> extra application update-manager...where do I find this?
[10:48] <yz3pD> chacka: run update-manager from terminal
[10:49] <yz3pD> or from menu
[10:49] <chacka> yz3pD: Thanks
[10:50] <yz3pD> if you use unity search for update manager in applications lense
[10:50] <chacka> Is there a way to reply to people on this irc without copying people's nick names by copy and paste?
[10:50] <yz3pD> i type the names xD
[10:50] <eGGshke1> :-)
[10:51] <softballs> i just type the first letters and hit tab
[10:51] <k1l> chacka: start with the name and then press "tab"
[10:51] <softballs> like cha tab
[10:51] <k1l> works on terminal with commands and /path/to/file, to
[10:51] <k1l> *too
[10:51] <yz3pD> cool function, softballs
[10:52] <softballs> yz3pD: :)
[10:52] <chacka> k1l: Thanks. I knew I just wasn't doing it right
[10:52] <yz3pD> i never thought on using terminal commands in hexchat app
[10:53] <chacka> I've run apt-get update and upgrade and update-manager and my ubuntu software center icon still show an incomplete loading image. Am I missing something?
[10:53] <Guest57360> how can i skip the part in the installation where it keeps asking for the mirror to the ubuntu archives??
[10:53] <bekks> chacka: Run sudo apt-get dist-upgrade as well
[10:54] <amos> hi
[10:54] <bekks> Guest57360: Without the mirrors, you cant install.
[10:54] <k1l> chacka: for a complete update you need apt-get dist-upgrade, too. see :
[10:54] <yz3pD> chacka which os and version do you have?
[10:54] <Guest57360> so should i use apt-mirror to create  a local one?
[10:54] <k1l> !apt-get | chacka
[10:55] <chacka> yz3pD: ubuntu 14.04 inside virtualbox
[10:56] <amos> I just installed skype on the latest Ubuntu and I cannot hear anything. I tryed to change smth in the options menu, and I found out that I cannot change the sound and microphone device. What should I do?
[10:56] <amos> I just installed skype on the latest Ubuntu and I cannot hear anything. I tryed to change smth in the options menu, and I found out that I cannot change the sound and microphone device. What should I do?
[10:56] <amos> I just installed skype on the latest Ubuntu and I cannot hear anything. I tryed to change smth in the options menu, and I found out that I cannot change the sound and microphone device. What should I do?
[10:56] <chacka> k1l: do you mean "not apt-get"?
[10:56] <amos> I just installed skype on the latest Ubuntu and I cannot hear anything. I tryed to change smth in the options menu, and I found out that I cannot change the sound and microphone device. What should I do?
[10:56] <yz3pD> amos: no spam + google pulseaudio
[10:56] <Ben64> amos: thats a perfect way to be ignored.
[10:56] <k1l> !patience | amos
[10:57] <amos> ok. thank you :)
[10:57] <yz3pD> chacka: can your system access the internet?
[10:57] <poxel00> hello Ubuntu
[10:57] <chacka> yz3pD: yes
[10:58] <azazel__> lol
[10:58] <k1l> chacka: apt-get upgrade is not enough to make all updates come in. see the bots message for explanaition
[10:58] <yz3pD> chacka: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:59] <poxel00> bye
[11:01] <chacka> k1l: Ok i've read ubottu 's message. So what do I need to do to get 'all updates to come in'?
[11:01] <k1l> chacka: apt-get dist-upgrade. apt-get upgrade does not include all updates like its told in that link
[11:02] <yz3pD> chacka: what exactly is your problem, again please
[11:02] <Vibrance> Getting "Permission denied" when trying to save changes to /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini, after opening it with sudo nano /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini - Any ideas why?
[11:03] <chacka> k1l: done. ubu.. soft.. center still showing incomplete load symbol
[11:04] <k1l> chacka: can you make a pastebin from a "sudo apt-get update&&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" ?
[11:04] <k1l> and a screenshot from that softwarecenter?
[11:04] <chacka> yz3pD: My Ubuntu Software Center icon is showing an incomplete loading symbol. My n00b question is: Is this Ubuntu Software Center's normal icon or am I missing some updates?
[11:05] <yz3pD> chacka: screenshot of "incomplete loading symbol" plese
[11:05] <yz3pD> *please
[11:07] <yz3pD> sometimes there are horizontal lines in hexchat what does these lines mean?
[11:07] <chacka> k1l and yz3pD : does pastern do screenshot/pics?
[11:07] <chacka> pastern = pastebib
[11:07] <k1l> !paste | chacka
[11:07] <chacka> pastebin
[11:08] <Ntemis> hello
[11:08] <Ntemis> need help
[11:08] <Ntemis> hdd crash
[11:08] <amos_> Right guys... I tried with pluseAudio and it seems that it doesn't work ...
[11:08] <Ntemis> now i cant mount my hdd with a live usb boot of 14.04
[11:08] <Ntemis> owner is user #1000
[11:09] <Ntemis> help
[11:09] <killer> hey ,what software should I use  to record laptop's screen , recordmydesktop records it well , but the audio seems to lag a bit
[11:09] <amos_> 1000 fps
[11:09] <yz3pD> amos, puleaudio is often buggy, you can configure it with pavucontrol
[11:09] <chacka> k1l: yz3pD http://imgur.com/91YrgjY
[11:09] <DJones> !screencast | killer There's a few suggestions in Ubottu's link,
[11:10] <amos_> I'll try. thanks
[11:11] <yz3pD> chacka: and the apt-get output please, but it looks like software center installs something
[11:12] <mkrz> Hello #ubuntu. What is the best way to run outlook client on 14.04?
[11:12] <mkrz> ms outlook client.
[11:12] <bazhang> !appdb | mkrz
[11:12] <mkrz> thanks!
[11:15] <chacka> yz3pD: k1l : http://pastebin.com/y4D4e0mB
[11:16] <yz3pD> your system is  up to date chacka
[11:17] <yz3pD> close software center and open it again
[11:17] <chacka> yz3pD: so the software icon issue is just a bug?
[11:17] <yz3pD> yes
[11:17] <k1l> chacka: i use a different icon theme. but are you sure its not the standard icon?
[11:17] <k1l> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/03/raring-updates-software-center-icon
[11:18] <yz3pD> k1l: i also don't use software-center because it's sometime a bit buggy
[11:19] <yz3pD> 11.10-12.10 is the best icon for software-center :-)
[11:20] <chacka> k1l: must be the standard icon. Sorry for the bother.
[11:21] <bagel`> I'm running 14.04 and I ran apt-get update;apt-get upgrade -- one of the packages it wanted to update was grub. the machine is a raid1 (with 2 TB x 2) so when it got to grub it asked me if i wanted to keep the local version of /etc/default/grub or if i wanted to overwrite with the maintainers version. so i chose to keep the local version. but now im at this prompt: http://i.imgur.com/HRtBgeK.png ? should i check box all 3 or just the last one? I see in /boot
[11:21] <bagel`> check box all 3 or just the last one
[11:21] <bagel`> (Software raid)
[11:22] <bagel`> or is there a command i can type to figure out what i should do
[11:24] <bagel`> here is my fstab http://pastebin.com/RdqhTBa8
[11:30] <chaka> hi
[11:30] <jeffreylevesque> I'm having the same problem as http://askubuntu.com/questions/490394/apache-restart-not-working-properly
[11:30] <jeffreylevesque> I'm not sure what the solution is just yet
[11:30] <chaka> Any recomendations for irc client on ubuntu 14.
[11:31] <cfhowlett> !irc | chaka
[11:31] <cfhowlett> !chaka | irssi
[11:33] <chaka> cfhowlett: ?
[11:33] <cfhowlett> !info irssi
[11:35] <chaka> Anyone have preferences between these for ubuntu?: Empathy, Smuxi, Pidgin, XChat , LostIRC, Loqui, ChatZilla
[11:35] <cfhowlett> chaka many/most of those listed are NOT for server use, i.e. they require a gui.
[11:36] <chaka> cfhowlett: what do you use/preffer?
[11:36] <chaka> cfhowlett: irc/ubuntu n00b here
[11:37] <cfhowlett> chaka clarify your question: server or desktop user?
[11:37] <chaka> cfhowlett: I'm on a desktop but I'm not against using the terminal if it will build skills
[11:38] <cfhowlett> chaka doesn't matter what I prefer.  install ALL of them and test.  You'll find a preference.  sudo apt-get install empathy smuxi xchat etc
[11:39] <zombu2> xchat lol
[11:39] <zombu2> is xchat still in the repos?
[11:39] <zombu2> thought they put hexchat in
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !info xchat
[11:40] <bagel`> so can i essenetially run 14.04 LTS for the next 3 years and still be secure?
[11:40] <cfhowlett> !info hexchat
[11:40] <bagel`> like would apache be secure
[11:40] <bagel`> etc
[11:40] <cfhowlett> bagel` 14.04 has 5 years of support
[11:40] <bagel`> so if there is an apache vulnerabrility, they would patch it and then i could still stay on 14.04 ?
[11:40] <bagel`> vulnerability*
[11:41] <cfhowlett> bagel` apache isn't ubuntu.  apache is maintained by apache.  can't say what they
[11:41] <cfhowlett> will do.  UBUNTU has 5 years of support in 14.04
[11:41] <k1l> bagel`: yes. but most insecurites are from the users config. so dont think ubuntu will manage your security, it just cant make everything secure
[11:41] <zombu2> hmm if i poke holes in a condom can i still use it repeatedly and be secure??
[11:42] <pds> hi guys, is there another way then changing the eth0 interface to static then editing the interface file bring down the interface itself and starting the interface one again | cauze i have problems with automating this process with ansible - i guess the networkmanager isn't to happy with it
[11:42] <k1l> zombu2: troll somewhere else
[11:42] <zombu2> no this suits me just fine
[11:42] <pds> hi guys, is there another way then changing the eth0 interface to static then editing the interface file bring down the interface itself and starting the interface one again | cauze i have problems with automating this process with ansible - i guess the networkmanager isn't to happy with it
[11:42] <cfhowlett> !guidlines | zombu2 follow the guidelines
[11:43] <cfhowlett> !guidlines | zombu2 follow the guidelines
[11:43] <cfhowlett> !guidelines | zombu2 follow the guidelines
[11:43] <bagel`> cfhowlett i never once said or thought that apache was ubuntu.
[11:43] <pds> !guidelines | zombu2
[11:43] <bagel`> im not an idiot
[11:43] <zombu2> it s amazing the amount if stupidity in this channel
[11:43] <cfhowlett> bagel` <bagel`> so if there is an apache vulnerabrility, they would patch it and then i could still stay on 14.04 ?
[11:43] <bagel`> yes
[11:43] <bagel`> instead of having to continue upgrading past 14.04
[11:43] <bagel`> im trying to get an understanding
[11:44] <k1l> bagel`: that is what LTS is for
[11:44] <cfhowlett> bagel` ... "they" meaning apache would repair apache
[11:44] <bagel`> ok
[11:44] <k1l> !lts | bagel`
[11:44] <bagel`> yes but it becomes included with ubuntu as a security update, no?
[11:44] <bhalash> cd
[11:44] <cfhowlett> bagel` if and ONLY if apache provides one.
[11:45] <bagel`> but when would they not do such a thing? sounds unlikely right?
[11:45] <k1l> bagel`: yes, ubuntu makes pathced updates if apache brings the patches themselves in first place
[11:45] <cfhowlett> bagel` you'd have to ask the apache folks.
[11:46] <bagel`> k1l thats what i was looking for. because i used to download apache/php and compile it manually for years.. but that became tedious.. so i have now moved on to apt-get install apache2 with php5 and its been working great. everything is more streamlined. so i just wanted to make sure that i could run 14.04 for years and still have a secure apache/php
[11:46] <bagel`> Instead of what i used to do before.. always have to redownload new versions and what not. becomes annoying when you can just apt-get update;apt-get upgrade
[11:47] <k1l> bagel`: yep, that is the idea behind LTS
[11:48] <bagel`> sweet
[12:01] <bagel`> thx guys
[12:08] <danou_> my girlfriend : http://70.81.112.235:81/C%3A/Dan/photos/m/mylene3.jpg
[12:09] <cfhowlett> DJones is it just me, or is the amount of !OT Idiocy higher than normal?
[12:09] <DJones> cfhowlett: I blame school holidays
[12:09] <amos> DJones don't say :))
[12:10] <cfhowlett> DJones there does seem to be a bit of mama's basement quality it ...
[12:10] <kamal_> DJones: interesting, what was that command?
[12:10] <kamal_> it wasn't a kick
[12:10] <DJones> kamal_: That was a remove
[12:11] <kamal_> neat, thanks
[12:12] <jeffreylevesque> could someone assist me with http://askubuntu.com/questions/471187/problem-with-restarting-apache2-on-ubuntu-server-14-04
[12:14] <sasi> hi
[12:14] <cfhowlett> jeffreylevesque might want to ask #apache #ubuntu-server
[12:14] <cfhowlett> sasi greetings.  ask your question
[12:16] <pu239> i haven't used any flavor of *nix in years, so i installed 14.04, also learning some python and installed pycharms
[12:17] <pu239> i have a pycharms.sh file that i thought i could run, but when i double click it opens in gedit
[12:17] <pu239> what am i doing wrong? any suggestions?
[12:17] <cfhowlett> !python | pu239
[12:18] <pu239> this isn't really related to python, it's about opening an application
[12:18] <cfhowlett> pu239 so you want the file to execute and not open for editing?
[12:19] <pu239> cfhowlett: yes
[12:19] <cfhowlett> pu239 no expert here, but I think you have to go into file properties and set the executable flag.
[12:19] <pu239> cfhowlett: thanks, it's set, but still opens in gedit
[12:20] <dragoonis_> Looking to install MySQL 5.6 with apt-get, any suggestions ?
[12:20] <cfhowlett> pu239 sorry, that was my best shot.  I bet #python can give you fast answers
[12:20] <jtjh> Hello i was just install Ubuntu 14.04.1 and i got the error: Sorry anerror occured and it was not possible to install the bootloader to the specified location, i was trying to dual boot with windows
[12:21] <pu239> cfhowlett: thanks, i'll try there if i can't figure it out
[12:21] <cfhowlett> !grub|jtjh installing the bootloader is one of the final stages of installing ubuntu.  your OS is probably installed but the grub bootloader is not.  try reinstalling to the DISK, not a partition, e.g. /dev/sda
[12:24] <jtjh> ok ill try that so of the 3 option i have now 1. choose different devide 2. continue with a bootloader 3 cancel the installation
[12:24] <jtjh> i should select option 2 and boot the usb and go thought the steps from the link?
[12:26] <Ridley> can i play music in skype, in addition to my voice ?
[12:28] <chaka> how do I add autocomplete to terminal (like on mac one can use tab to autocomplete when doing cd /...stuff))
[12:28] <indn1234> chaka: just press TAB
[12:29] <chaka> indn1234, thanks
[12:29] <k1l> chaka: should be running from the start. with tab
[12:33] <Capacx> h
[12:33] <Capacx> anyone there?
[12:34] <ObrienDave> no, nobody home
[12:34] <Capacx> ohi
[12:34] <Capacx> anyone know a good encrypted irc client?
[12:35] <Capacx> that....also works for windows
[12:36] <theadmin> Capacx: Hexchat is quite great
[12:36] <theadmin> Quassel works quite well too
[12:37] <Capacx> awesome
[12:37] <Capacx> do you have to configure...ssl on it?...or is it automatic?
[12:38] <Capacx> i dont fully understand encrypting irc....cause i mean....wouldnt it only work if both users were using hexchat?...
[12:38] <k1l> Capacx: encrypted irc doesnt work fpr public channels
[12:38] <Capacx> that would make sense
[12:39] <Capacx> zzz
[12:39] <theadmin> Capacx: You can connect to a server with SASL and it'll encrypt data you send to the server, but public channels are often logged and anyone can see what's going on there anyway
[12:39] <theadmin> Capacx: So it only makes sense for private messaging
[12:39] <k1l> !sasl
[12:40] <k1l> see freenode page for how to connect with sasl to freenode
[12:43] <talin> hello. i have two network cards. one of them has internet, but the other does not, and i can not figure out why. if i look at incoming packets with e.g. tcpdump, i can see that packets arrive at both eth0 (working one) and eth1 (not working). if i ping, i can see with tcpdump that packets arrive to the interface on eth1 and also that eth1 tries to reply, but the replies somehow stop on the way back... here's my setup: http://imgur.com/cwSLlmr
[12:44] <talin> doing traceroute -s <eth1 ip> <eth0 gateway> tells me that eth1 does not know where to route these packets, possibly
[12:47] <talin> perhaps i should try #linux
[12:47] <talin> thanks anyway
[12:49] <jonascj> Hi all. What is the fastest way to prioritize wlan over the wired connection. E.g. you hvae internet connection via wlan but you are connected to a wired network without internet connection. That will cause ubuntu to not have internet connection because it defaults to prioritize wired over wireless
[12:50] <jonascj> Can I get a quick dropdown on network-manager or a single command to do it?
[12:56] <aguitel> how install ubuntu in chromebook
[12:56] <usr13_> !boot
[12:59] <dragoonis_> service mysql start fails... any way to debug this? nothing being written to the mysql error log at /var/log/mysql/error.log
[12:59] <BhAwN> any way to make access point hotspot on ubuntu 14.04?
[13:07] <damian-> hey guys and gals, i just did the latest release upgrade and it seems to have .. stumbled. i'm now only presented with 'grub rescue>' - not entirely sure on how to diagnose.
[13:08] <damian-> the only error at the top is 'error: symbol `grub_term_highlight_color` not found.'
[13:16] <MissPerfect> Is it ok to store a lot of data and write data on an ntfs partition in linux? And symlink parts of my home folder like Videos and Pictures to that ntfs partition?
[13:16] <MissPerfect> Is there any better solution for sharing files in a dual boot setup?
[13:17] <damian-> i have a Windows Server which my linux machine reads/writes to without any dramas (all tv/movies - so around 2tb data)
[13:17] <damian-> not saying that it's the best way to do it though :P
[13:17] <MissPerfect> damian-: That would be over network ?
[13:18] <damian-> yeah
[13:18] <damian-> i don't know about symlinking though, that could cause MAJOR issues if the ntfs partition drops out
[13:18] <MissPerfect> Should not be an issue then I think as the remote pc won't be doing the actual copying on the filesystem
[13:18] <k1l> MissPerfect: ubuntu can handle ntfs partitions. but its speed is not the best. but for dualboot on one machine there is no really better solution
[13:19] <MissPerfect> k1l: There's the ext2fsd drive for Windows but that sounds risky
[13:20] <k1l> imho the ntfs partition as data partition is a way more stable solution than the ext drivers for windows
[13:21] <MissPerfect> Also on an ssd drive what would the best partitioning scheme be / on ssd, symlink the Documents, Downloads etc of the home folder to an hdd and /var/log on hdd ?
[13:21] <MissPerfect> The SSD is only 24 GB
[13:22] <MissPerfect> Or should I put /home on the HDD, I was thinking it could slow login times etc and might be better to have the ".files" on the ssd itself
[13:22] <k1l>  / for a regular desktop is about 10GB without /home
[13:23] <theadmin> MissPerfect: /home belongs on HDD, it may slow login but it grows and you'd want about 10-15GB for /
[13:24] <MissPerfect> theadmin:  /home itself would be empty enough if documents etc were symlinked onto an hdd partition
[13:24] <MissPerfect> hence only stuff like .config would remain on the ssd
[13:24] <k1l>  /home tends to grow. so i would put that onto the hdd, too. i think 14GB is to small for the long run
[13:25] <k1l> but if you will be sorting the data to the data-partition anyway you could try the 14Gb /home on ssd
[13:25] <MissPerfect> k1l: Its 24GB
[13:25]  * k1l puts everything into /home, so my home is 50GB+ and growing
[13:26] <k1l> MissPerfect: you will need to subtract the 10GB for /
[13:27] <MissPerfect> k1l: Maybe a bit less with a minimal install and using only what I need.
[13:28] <MissPerfect> Or I might use something like Arch on this machine
[13:28] <k1l> MissPerfect: you can of course have a 4GB / on ubuntu. but i was talking about a common desktop system.
[13:29] <MissPerfect> I mean I was thinking of symlinking stuff like Desktop, Downloads etc onto /media/storage
[13:30] <MissPerfect> Would it significantly slow down with the config files on the hdd on a seperate /home? ALso is it really necessary to not write /var/log to the ssd (limited write cycles)
[13:32] <k1l> the ssds got own wear level protection. the old ssds got really problems on there but new ssds should have the same lifespan as regular hhds
[13:32] <MissPerfect> Anyone dual boots and has a particularly different method of sharing files between Windows and Linux?
[13:33] <ObrienDave> ntfs on a 3TB eSATA drive works great
[13:35] <usr13_> damian-: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1289977
[13:35] <usr13_> damian-: I was backed up in the buffer, someone else may have already sent you info, not sure.
[13:37] <damian-> thanks usr13
[13:37] <damian-> just one question though, do i need to run that from somewhere specific, the grub rescue doesn't seem to have any actual commands?
[13:37] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Just mount the directories where-ever you want.
[13:39] <usr13_> MissPerfect: You could have Documents and MyDocuments, (if you don't want to mix them).  Or just use the MS-Windows MyDocuments and place everything there, mount it as MyDocuments (and delete the Documents directory).
[13:39] <grobe0ba> or you could put everything in a git repo hosted on Amazon S3
[13:39] <grobe0ba> that's an option
[13:40] <usr13_> MissPerfect: What you do in part depends on how often you boot to MS Windows.
[13:40] <usr13_> MissPerfect: ... and how many files you actually need to share.
[13:40] <MissPerfect> usr13_: I don't use Ms Windows that much except for some work related stuff and compiling software for ms windows
[13:42] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Well, the only limitation is (as you probably know), by defautl, MS Windows does not read ext4 filesystems, so just mounting the ntfs filesystems from Ubuntu is the easiest solution.
[13:42] <MissPerfect> But its handy to have access to some media as well while I use it. I also use it for gaming. And since my device is a convertible tablet with Windows 8.1 I basically use Windows as a tablet and ubuntu as a traditional computer
[13:43] <usr13_> MissPerfect: My best advise is to just mount the ntfs directories as needed.
[13:43] <MissPerfect> usr13_: Yeah its that vs mounting it as read only and copying in Windows or just copying in Linux to an ntfs drive as needed.
[13:44] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Doesn't have to be read-only, it's up to you. Write the fstab file as you see fit.
[13:44] <MissPerfect> I meant Windows accessing ext4 as read only
[13:44] <MissPerfect> (with a driver)
[13:44] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Oh ok.
[13:45] <Sladurkata> http://mtrx.cloudapp.net
[13:45] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Well, again, I would consider just mounting ntfs directories in Linux a better option, (but that's just my opinion).
[13:45] <MissPerfect> I just don't like the solution of having media on an ntfs partition when 70% of the time it is accessed from linux
[13:46] <usr13_> MissPerfect: I don't think that is a big deal.  Not much in the way of drawbacks...
[13:46] <usr13_> MissPerfect: Reading and Writing to ntfs is pretty reliable nowdays.
[13:47] <MissPerfect> Yeah it seems like that is the best option
[13:47] <usr13_> to me it would be....
[13:49] <usr13_> MissPerfect: It is kind of like using the strength of linux and avoid other defencies.
[13:49] <aeyesi> hi
[13:49] <aeyesi> does anyone have tip for game catalogue ?
[13:49] <aeyesi> Like gallery of games
[13:50] <aeyesi> (games.desktop icons like)
[13:50] <aeyesi> some nice one :D
[13:50] <aeyesi> like multiman from PS3
[13:51] <sivanandaji> sri gayathri
[13:52] <k1l_> !in | sivanandaji
[13:54] <z3r0> help pls
[13:54] <z3r0> how to install ubuntu touch os on my hp slate 7 tablet
[13:56] <k1l_> !touch | z3r0
[13:57] <z3r0> ubottu: it's possible to install on my tablet hp slate 7
[13:57] <z3r0> no problem, i need only information
[13:57] <k1l_> z3r0: see that channel and mind the topic which got links to often asken questions
[13:58] <aeyesi> i guess bot is pre-scripted to react only on specific words
[13:58] <Pici> aeyesi: no... k1l_ triggered it.
[13:58] <aeyesi> xD
[13:58] <aeyesi> ok ok
[13:58] <ObrienDave> no, bot is triggered by preceding keywords with !
[13:58] <aeyesi> Pici give me tip for some nice game gallery pleaaasee
[13:59] <anto777> hey, can anyboy tell me what app i should use in 14.04 for chatting  in icq?
[13:59] <aeyesi> game browser or library like
[13:59] <ObrienDave> aeyesi, playdeb
[13:59] <aeyesi> anto777 try pidgin
[13:59] <jeffreylevesque> I have a Ubuntu Server 14.04 dual booted.  No longer on Ubuntu Desktop on VirtualBox
[13:59] <jeffreylevesque> it's a great day
[13:59] <aeyesi> :D
[13:59] <jeffreylevesque> Ubuntu Desktop 11.04
[14:00] <Pici> aeyesi: Like MAME?
[14:00] <z3r0> ok thanks kill
[14:01] <aeyesi> playdeb... is gallery i mean...
[14:01] <aeyesi> imagine i have like 50 games on desktop ~
[14:01] <aeyesi> let me take a look
[14:01] <k1l_> aeyesi: what do you mean by "game gallery" ?
[14:01] <aeyesi> sec
[14:01] <aeyesi> like this
[14:01] <aeyesi> http://www.ps3hax.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/MultiMAN-1.09.03-Multifunctional-Filemanager.jpg
[14:01] <ObrienDave> something like gamefly, i assume
[14:02] <aeyesi> nope just a browser for games u have
[14:02] <aeyesi> like CD gallery or something nice
[14:03] <aeyesi> http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nBBKMnTF0VI/maxresdefault.jpg
[14:04] <Pici> aeyesi: oh.. I recall something like that... let me see if I can remember the name of it..
[14:04] <story> trying to fix mplayer bug with this command line fix, but is says:  sudo:convert: command not found
[14:04] <story> http://pastebin.com/aTziFnYw
[14:05] <aeyesi> story try sudo su and maybie as root?
[14:06] <anto777> well pidgin allways gaves me invallid chat room name! Why?
[14:06] <aeyesi> i am not sure
[14:06] <aeyesi> emm
[14:06] <Pici> story: you need the imagemagick package before you can use the convert command.
[14:06] <aeyesi> there is another app or online ICQ so far i know
[14:07] <story> Pici, ok
[14:07] <anto777> online it's ok, but wth ppdgin i have problem=
[14:08] <anto777> thanks anyway!
[14:10] <sine0> all the fonts are soft round and fuzzy and i dont really like it. is this part of unity, is it anti ailiasing
[14:10] <anarkhein> i have installed lubuntu, but the audio doesn't work. what's most likely the cause? according to the sound level view accessible via the systray, it's not muted.
[14:10] <sine0> anarkhein:
[14:11] <Pici> aeyesi: gcstar is the one I was thinking of.
[14:11] <anarkhein> sine0: what
[14:12] <aeyesi> k let me take a look
[14:12] <sine0> check alsamixer
[14:13] <aeyesi> looks really good thanks pici
[14:13] <Pici> aeyesi: np
[14:13] <azi`> i am running ubuntu on in my company and I am clueless as how to find the network printers that I use on windows. I don't know the printing protocol involved just the name of the printer
[14:14] <azi`> what could be done about it?
[14:14] <aeyesi> there is nice gui for adding printers far i know but pff its just what i would do
[14:14] <aeyesi> well
[14:15] <Spartacus_> Hello there. I don't know if anyone can help or not, but I'm attempting to install an Ubuntu based distro on my desktop, and for some reason, it thinks my TV is 72" when it's 47" and it's blowing everything up and making it hard to fit on the screen. Is there anything I can do about that?
[14:15] <aeyesi> try printer app to setup one and maybie try figure it out i have lunch atm :Z
[14:16] <aeyesi> Spartacus_ surly there is, try boot in save mode and try install properitary driver maybie :Z
[14:16] <aeyesi> yay so many things to resolve
[14:17] <Spartacus_> @aeyesi - is that something that can be done during the live disc too? Or would I have to install first.
[14:17] <Pici> No need to answer if you don't know the answer...
[14:17] <TJ-> Spartacus_: First thing to check is that the EDID information returned by the TV to the PC is correct. Take a look in "/var/log/Xorg.0.log" see if you can find it, it should include the modes the TV supports and the physical dimensions (usually in millimetres)
[14:19] <Spartacus_> @TJ - I'll have a look in a second. Currently booting into the live disk.
[14:21] <NastyNaz> .
[14:21] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If the EDID is incorrect (they seem to get corrupted at times in the display EEPROM/flash memory), you can over-ride it, either with a custom EDID stored in a file on the PC, or via a custom "Monitor" section in "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[14:22] <TJ-> azi`: Have you used the CUPS web administration tool to discover the printer(s) http://localhost:631/ ?
[14:22] <Spartacus_> Yeha I'm trying to find the right spot now.
[14:26] <Lumbendil> hi
[14:26] <Spartacus_> TJ - I'm having a bit of trouble with it. I've found EDID mentioned in a few places, but it's either with digits like 1- 3 or a long hex chain. I put it on pastebin if you wouldn't mind assisting me with it? pastebin.com/fGX5PySq
[14:27] <Lumbendil> I've installed ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop, but it won't boot up, it keeps showing ">> Start PXE over IVv4"
[14:27] <Lumbendil> IPv4*
[14:27] <TJ-> Spartacus_: looking
[14:27] <h> hi
[14:28] <Lumbendil> fresh install, booting with efi =(
[14:28] <k1l_> Lumbendil: did you insert the pxe iso? is it set to pxe in bios?
[14:28] <Spartacus_> TJ - Thanks.
[14:29] <Lumbendil> k1l_: I didn't, let me check the bios for any PXE setting
[14:29] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You'll see several "clock: ..." lines ending "Image Size:  160 x 90 mm" :)
[14:29] <Spartacus_> TJ - yeah, there's a few of those.
[14:30] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I'm guessing the screen is a little bigger than that :)
[14:30] <Spartacus_> lol yeah
[14:30] <Spartacus_> Which confuses me as to how it thinks it's 72" when this doc is showing like 6x3
[14:30] <Lumbendil> I see no setting related with PXE
[14:30] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Where does it report the 72" ?
[14:31] <Spartacus_> TJ - When I go to "Displays" where i'd check resolution and such. GoldStar 72". It's also not that brand
[14:31] <TJ-> Spartacus_: ahhh, hang on. let me dig out some terminal commands so we can be more precise
[14:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - Righto
[14:32] <TJ-> Spartacus_: is it the display connected to HDMI-1-3 ?
[14:32] <Lumbendil> k1l_: I didn't set up my machine to use boot from a lan drive or anything like that, and from what I'm reading, that's what PXE is about :S
[14:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - How would I know for sure?
[14:33] <Spartacus_> TJ - On my TV, it's HDMI 2
[14:33] <k1l_> Lumbendil: are you sure you installed ubuntu desktop on that?
[14:33] <anarkhein> sine0: "<sine0> check alsamixer" - yeah, i did. to the far right there was an "auto-mute enabled" which i was unable to change
[14:33] <Lumbendil> k1l_: pretty sure, yup
[14:33] <TJ-> Lumbendil: PXE boot comes into play if it is in the machine's boot order, and is usually disabled by a setting such as "LAN boot" or similar
[14:33] <Lumbendil> lan boot is disabled
[14:33] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If it is the only device connected via HDMI ... the exact port number doesn't matter
[14:34] <Lumbendil> well, wake up on lan is disabled, I see no lan boot setting
[14:34] <sine0> anarkhein: i take it you were root when you did it
[14:34] <Spartacus_> TJ - I also have a PS4 hooked up, but that's not currently on.
[14:34] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Check the boot-order menu. You can usually disable/remove it there
[14:34] <StolenToast> Hey I've got a probably nooby-ish question
[14:34] <Lumbendil> ah, maybe it's because it isn't recognizing my hd, and reaching to the last step
[14:34] <StolenToast> I'm connected to my ubuntu server from Konsole but some characters don't seem to display properly
[14:34] <sine0> but if it still doesnt work then i would google it. no sound is a common problem, i only installed yesterday so i was messing around as i had tinny sound and came across the swathe of no sounders
[14:34] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK... is the PS4 connected to an HDMI output, or a DVI output?
[14:34] <sine0> good luck
[14:34] <Spartacus_> TJ - HDMI
[14:34] <Lumbendil> I can only get down, but it's the last option anyway
[14:35] <StolenToast> notably I think what should be a horizontal (or maybe vertical line) is actually what I learned today an a-circumflex
[14:35] <StolenToast> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%82
[14:35] <StolenToast> does this have to do with the character encoding in konsole or something?
[14:35] <StolenToast> or could it be server-side
[14:36] <StolenToast> I am on rhel 6 on this end
[14:36] <scratch[x]> Hi all , how I can install drivers on embedded ati video card radeon 3000 on ubuntu 14.04?
[14:36] <Lumbendil> ok, so the PXE is showing up because the HDD is not recognized as a bootable device
[14:36] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Can you do this: "xrandr -q --verbose | pastebinit" ?
[14:36] <Spartacus_> TJ - Sure, one moment.
[14:36] <StolenToast> scratch[x]: have you visited the amd site and tried to get the driver from there?
[14:36] <sine0> whilst install ubuntu it told me about checking 2 options which encrypt the drive plus also make it easier to resize partition information. it is now that i want to resize my ubuntu partition so how do i do it
[14:37] <TJ-> Lumbendil: That would make sense, PXE is often the fall-back option despite the user settings, if no other device is found to boot from
[14:37] <StolenToast> they usually have nice and easy gui driver installers
[14:37] <Spartacus_> TJ - paste.ubuntu.com/7905399
[14:37] <Lumbendil> TJ-: any idea why the HD is not bootable?
[14:38] <scratch[x]> Yes, I downloaded 3.1 version but with this drivers , not start panels on unity
[14:38] <scratch[x]> I use legacy drivers
[14:38] <TJ-> Lumbendil: It would imply either 1) Secure Boot is enabled and the installation doesn't have the signed shim, or 2) CSM/Legacy boot mode is disabled and the boot disk doesn't have a GPT scheme, with an EFI system partition, or 3) something else :)
[14:39] <TJ-> Spartacus_: So this will be it: "HDMI-1-3 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (0x48) normal (normal) 160mm x 90mm"
[14:39] <Lumbendil> TJ-: on the HD there is /boot/efi, I've tried EFI secure, EFI no secure, CSM
[14:41] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Are you using a Live ISO right now to look at it?
[14:41] <Lumbendil> I used the live iso to look at it
[14:41] <Spartacus_> TJ - Am i to do something with that? Or are you just identifying the proper area?
[14:41] <Lumbendil> atm I'm not looking at it, can do though
[14:41] <racaca> sine0 use gparted to resize
[14:43] <StolenToast> so someone told me it has to do with the Charset
[14:43] <StolenToast> most likely on the ubuntu side
[14:43] <Lumbendil> let me try again, I've reinstalled multiple times, though I might be confusing
[14:43] <maddawg2> question... what types of things might prevent the networking service from running
[14:43] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Just confirming that is the device you're having the problem with, and those dimensions we saw belong to it
[14:43] <maddawg2> i checked "service networking status" and it just says stop/waiting
[14:44] <TJ-> Lumbendil: stop!
[14:44] <maddawg2> it's a ubuntu desktop, but i've removed network manager and have my config set with /etc/network/interfaces
[14:44] <Spartacus_> TJ - Ah, gotcha. What happens from here?
[14:44] <TJ-> Lumbendil: The problem is not the installation, it is most likely simply that the firmware failed to add the OS entry to the boot menu
[14:44] <maddawg2> if i type sudo ifup eth0 and run an ifconfig it shows an IP address, and my config looks legit
[14:45] <maddawg2> but i cant ping my gateway, or get the networking service running
[14:46] <racaca> maddawg2: so you tried "sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart" ?
[14:46] <maddawg2> yes racaca tells me to do it with sudo service networking restart
[14:46] <Lumbendil> TJ-: the HD didn't get flagged as bootable after formating you mean?
[14:46] <maddawg2> but yea same thing
[14:46] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Well, we've proved it is getting the wrong figures - although I can't see where the 72" is originating from - possibly signed integer calculations going wrong. There are 2 ways to correct it, edit the EDID and put it on-disk, or add a monitor section to the X configuration file. Currently, X is auto-configuring so there is no config file.
[14:46] <maddawg2> just says stop/waiting
[14:46] <Lunario> Is there a command for making a system backup of ubuntu via command line?
[14:47] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Almost... with UEFI the firmware stores in Non-Volatile RAM the boot menu options. When an OS installs it calls the firmware and says, basically, "Add me to the boot menu"
[14:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - So then I suppose the only choice is to edit the EDID?
[14:47] <maddawg2> Lumbendil, do you know if the networking service will only run if it's able to access the gateway and what not...
[14:47] <Toolkitman> hi
[14:47] <maddawg2> the thing is my dedicated provider changed their gateway and the subnet is now completely different
[14:47] <mjuszczak> What's the channel for the debuild stuff again?
[14:47] <marjinal1st> I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 AMD64. I have another pc running Windows 7. Shared a folder with "Everyone" option. Trying to access it from Ubuntu but Ubuntu asks for username and password, where I didn't set any for Windows. Any ideas?
[14:48] <TJ-> Lumbendil: That appears to have failed so we need to fix that. In principle, it should only be a case of re-installing grub. It may however need to directly use the "efibootmgr" tool in case the firmware is returning an error code that the installer doesn't pass on to the user
[14:48] <racaca> maddawg2: what does your interfaces file look like?
[14:48] <maddawg2> racaca just a sec... i will paste it...
[14:48] <maddawg2> !pastebin
[14:48] <TJ-> maddawg2: Is this OVH by any chance?
[14:49] <maddawg2> TJ- YES
[14:49] <Lumbendil> TJ-: I've checked the /boot/efi folder on my ubuntu install, and it's empty :S
[14:50] <TJ-> maddawg2: Thought so :D We've had several users in with the same problem this week... One last night, solution there was that OVH support - despite denials - had the configuration wrong, and the user had to hound them to fix it. The user mentioned the VM MAC address being regenerated
[14:50] <maddawg2> http://imgur.com/ie0BRE3
[14:50] <maddawg2> i was that user
[14:50] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Interesting.... which suggests "grub-efi" package didn't get installed, or "grub-install ..." and "update-grub" both failed
[14:50] <maddawg2> lol
[14:50] <maddawg2> reseting the vm mac didnt fix it
[14:51] <TJ-> maddawg2: Grrrr, shows how tired I am... your nickname looked familiar, but you've changed it slightly just to confuse me
[14:51] <maddawg2> i called them and they have me escalated but it's been over a day now with no answer
[14:51] <TJ-> maddawg2: OK, let me look (again!) at your interfaces!
[14:52] <maddawg2> yea just sent a screenshot... their tech told me my config looked fine
[14:52] <maddawg2> the thing is they are now using a whole different subnet
[14:52] <Lunario> I just booted an Ubuntu Server iso in a vm but it's asking for login. What are the default login data?
[14:52] <maddawg2> and i'm pretty convinced that they didnt set the networking up correctly on their end
[14:52] <maddawg2> so now it's not routing between subnets
[14:53] <TJ-> maddawg2: OK... so basics. You can bring the interface up with "ifup" and it has its settings correct?
[14:53] <Lunario> nvm
[14:53] <maddawg2> yes TJ-
[14:53] <Spartacus_> TJ - So TJ, how do I go about editing this?
[14:54] <TJ-> maddawg2: OK, have you tried to see if it can 'see' any other Ethernet devices on the link, with "ip neighbour show" ?
[14:54] <SchrodingersScat> can settings be correct when address and broadcast are the same?
[14:54] <ikey> Can someone tell me if there is something similar to systemd-analyze within Ubuntu (using upstart) to determine actual boot time + readiness please?
[14:54] <sine0>  racaca thats great, but if my filesystem is encrypted will it mess it up
[14:54] <maddawg2> TJ- just a sec...
[14:55] <alexandre_> a
[14:55] <bibi234> hello, I've runned a script in a terminal "screen", usually I can scroll up by grabbing the scroll bar at the right, but now I can't, because it's a screen, what can I do?
[14:55] <coderman1> im trying to find all files that are older than 3 days that are tar files, find /home/Dropbox/backups/ *.tar -mtime +3 -print, that does find files older than 3 days, but it returns things that are no tar files
[14:55] <TJ-> Spartacus_: This gets a bit involved, I've been thinking which is the best way to go. Because you need to manually configure the monitor, that requires "/etc/X11/xonrg.conf". You can't just add a monitor section usually, you have to describe the *entire* hardware layout (device, screen, monitor)
[14:55] <coderman1> is my command wrong?
[14:56] <Spartacus_> TJ -- oh...would things be any easier if I actually get the OS installed first?
[14:56] <SchrodingersScat> bibi234: M^a Esc enters 'copy mode' on my screen
[14:57] <TJ-> Spartacus_: haha yes, that would help :) Although, you can do the first step now.
[14:57] <SchrodingersScat> coderman1: not sure, would a '-name "*.tar"' help?
[14:57] <maddawg2> TJ- http://imgur.com/lOme27M
[14:58] <Spartacus_> TJ - first step?
[14:58] <TJ-> maddawg2: Looks like it only can see an IPv6 device! Tell OVH, they've definitely messed up
[14:58] <bibi234> SchrodingersScat: what combination is "M^a Esc"? sorry I don't understand
[14:59] <Guest67520> can any one help me i tried to install mac os on lenovo so it was not succed
[14:59] <maddawg2> TJ- yep
[14:59] <maddawg2> lol
[14:59] <SchrodingersScat> bibi234: for me it's ctrl-a then Esc
[14:59] <Guest67520> so i restarted normally now it shoiwng boot error
[14:59] <TJ-> Spartacus_: 2 steps: 1) run "sudo Xorg --configure" to generate a basic xorg.conf based on the current hardware, then 2) customise the config to contain the correct monitor size
[14:59] <Guest67520> so i inserted live cd and trying to
[14:59] <bibi234> SchrodingersScat: ohh thanks, now I can scroll up with key up, great :)
[15:00] <Guest67520> resotre my grub i used boot-repair tool but it is not suceed can any one help me how to fix
[15:00] <SchrodingersScat> bibi234: hit Esc again to exit, should probably read the manual for functionality, I think Enter sets copy points
[15:00] <Lumbendil> TJ-: how can I check what went wrong on the install / fix it? :)
[15:01] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You'll need to stop the GUI to run "sudo Xorg -configure" .... so the best way to do that from a Live ISO is first check you can switch to a text Virtual Terminal (VT), and there issue "sudo service lightdm stop" to stop the GUI and X server, then run "sudo Xorg -configure", then restart the GUI with "sudo service lightdm start"
[15:01] <Spartacus_> righto.
[15:01] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Are you familiar with mounting broken installations file-systems with a 'chroot' (change-root) ?
[15:02] <Guest67520> please can any one help me my boot error issue
[15:02] <coderman1> Shrodin
[15:02] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Switch to VT#1 by pressing Alt+Ctl+F1 ... switch back to the GUI VT with Alt+F7 (VT#7)
[15:02] <coderman1> SchrodingersScat: that was it, thanks
[15:03] <Spartacus_> TJ - Will do. Had to do something on that computer in Windows real quick so getting back into the live disk atm.
[15:03] <Lumbendil> TJ-: not much, truth being told
[15:03] <Lumbendil> I know i can sudo chroot /dir/ to change the root
[15:03] <SchrodingersScat> coderman1: great
[15:03] <Lumbendil> and that's about it
[15:04] <Spartacus_> TJ - Crap, the system freezes when I try to switch to the terminals.
[15:04] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK .... this is important --> once it has generated the "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" **save it to a USB stick or over the network** else it'll be lost if you reboot
[15:04] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Hmmm... total freeze, or just black screen with no "login:" or shell prompt?
[15:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - Doesn't make it to the shell. Stays on the GUI, but the image just freezes.
[15:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - then starts working when I switch back to the GUI on F7
[15:05] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Is it booted from a USB? I'm wondering if it is just being ultra-slow to load the programs from it
[15:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - yeah, USB
[15:06] <TJ-> Spartacus_: sounds like the console was unable to be drawn, doesn't it?
[15:06] <Spartacus_> TJ - right
[15:06] <Spartacus_> TJ - This thing has some graphical quirks
[15:06] <Spartacus_> TJ - Like trailing mice, lagged text input
[15:06] <TJ-> Spartacus_: In which case, I'd go ahead and install Ubuntu correctly first so it boots, and *then* worry about it :)
[15:07] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Hmmm, I think I know what may cause that ... often a motherboard IOMEM issue. Is it an AMD CPU?
[15:07] <Spartacus_> No. i7 4770K & GTX 770
[15:08] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, it has iomem. There's a class of issues that cause lagging because devices are incorrectly using the IOMEM controller
[15:08] <Spartacus_> TJ - Quick noob question about installation. Should the boot loader go on top of the drive as in /dev/sdb or onto the partition itself /dev/sdb3?
[15:08] <Spartacus_> TJ - Wunderbar
[15:09] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The solution - if your system has the same cause - is to add "iommu=pt" to the kernel command-line at boot-time
[15:10] <liu> hi
[15:11] <Spartacus_> TJ - I see. What of that one question I had regarding the bootloader placement?
[15:11] <TJ-> Spartacus_: "/dev/sda" is the *whole* of the first hard disk discovered. A partition table (PT) is created defining 1 or more partitions. Each partition is "/dev/sda1 sda2 sda3 ... etc., file-systems are formatting inside a partition, and file-systems are 'mounted'
[15:11] <Spartacus_> TJ - Nice timing lol
[15:12] <TJ-> Spartacus_: if you run "sudo lsblk" it'll report lots of useful information to help you understand the current system's block device layout
[15:13] <TJ-> Lumbendil: You're using the Live ISO now (sorry, my memory is shot through tiredness, getting forgetful)
[15:13] <Lumbendil> TJ-: yes :)
[15:13] <Lumbendil> no worries
[15:14] <Spartacus_> TJ - I mean I understand what is where and how /dev/sdb is a drive overall. Just didn't know if when you select the place for the bootloader if you're supposed to put it on the root of the drive like that or only on the partition where the OS is being installed.
[15:14] <Lumbendil> I guess I should chroot the install, right?
[15:14] <TJ-> Lumbendil: I have a bash script to automate creating the chroot and using it. If you download it you can use it to quickly get into a chroot on that failed system, assuming the rest of it is sane :)  https://iam.tj/projects/misc/chroot-auto.bash
[15:14] <Lumbendil> ty
[15:14] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The bootloader goes to a whole-disk, e.g., /dev/sda
[15:15] <Lumbendil> give me a second, gotta mail myself the link, I'm on another computer
[15:15] <Spartacus_> TJ -- KK. I've messed w/ Linux here & there, but I have a tendency to break things if I don't ask first :P
[15:16] <TJ-> Spartacus_: For legacy/BIOS systems that implies grub-pc which will write a boot-strap of a little under 440 bytes into sector 0 of that disk, which is just in front of the 64-byte partition table. That boot-strap will then find/load Grub's core.img from later sectors (before partition #1) which in turn looks for the partition file-system containing "/grub/", which then loads the boot menu options
[15:18] <sine0> can gparted be run whilst inside of ubuntu desktop
[15:18] <TJ-> Spartacus_: For UEFI systems the OS must have added an entry into the firmware's NV-RAM first, which will point to a GUID Partition Table-d disk (GPT), which must have an EFI System Partition (Fat16/32, up to 512MB), with an "/EFI/" directory. Grub will install a loader there which the firmware executes
[15:18] <Lumbendil> TJ-: so I should do chroot-auto /media/my-broken-system/ /dev/sda1 ?
[15:18] <TJ-> Lumbendil: If you've already mounted /dev/sda1 unmount it first
[15:18] <Lumbendil> ah, ok
[15:19] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Make sure to "mkdir -p /media/my-broken-system" if it doesn't exist - I always do "sudo mkdir /target" and use /target/ as the mount point - which is what the installer does
[15:19] <Lumbendil> cannot read filesystem table in chroot =(
[15:19] <TJ-> Lumbendil: not good :(
[15:20] <Lumbendil> nvm
[15:20] <Lumbendil> my bad
[15:20] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Are you *sure* sda1 is the root file-system... I thought that was the EFI system partition?
[15:20] <TJ-> Lumbendil: in case that confused the script, do "mount" and check that nothing is mounted in the /target/. If it is, we need to umount them/it first
[15:21] <Spartacus_> TJ - Just waiting on the OS to finish installing. ~4:40 to finish downloading packages during install.
[15:21] <randomnick9000> "running IRC as root is stupid!" <-- i just had to laugh when i forgot i was root :P
[15:21] <Lumbendil> TJ-: that's what was wrong
[15:21] <Lumbendil> it now mounter and unmounted
[15:22] <Lumbendil> it's like I was leaving the chroot as soon as it was set up
[15:22] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Hmmm, not what I'd hoped for!
[15:24] <TJ-> Lumbendil: looks like I need to add even more bullet-proofing in that script :)
[15:25] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: I've logged in here from my laptop
[15:25] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: OK :)
[15:26] <Spartacus_> TJ - Installation just finished. Rebooting now.
[15:26] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: If you do "mount | grep /target" (where target is the chroot mount-point), does it show the script has left anything behind?
[15:26] <TJ-> Spartacus_: That was fast ;)
[15:26] <Spartacus_> TJ - Woulda been done a while ago had I done it on USB 3.
[15:27] <Spartacus_> TJ ;)
[15:27]  * TJ- will need to go fit some bike saddles in a few minutes
[15:27] <Spartacus_> TJ - Ruh roh. Looks like it didn't go so well.
[15:27] <Spartacus_> TJ - I selected it in the boot menu, but then all I get after that is a blank screen w/ blinking cursor.
[15:28] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK .... is the hard disk settled or still reading?
[15:29] <Spartacus_> TJ - Settled. This is an SSD, so I wouldn't expect slow loads lol
[15:29] <TJ-> Spartacus_: what make/model of PC/ motherboard is this? Also, is it legacy BIOS or UEFI ?
[15:29] <diegotxe> hola
[15:29] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: empty folder
[15:29] <diegotxe> hi
[15:29] <diegotxe> my name is diego
[15:29] <Lumbendil-laptop> I've chrooted to the mounted fs myself, since I have a single partition there should be no issues
[15:29] <Spartacus_> TJ - Motherboard is a Gigabyte Z87 HD3. It's UEFI, though I have those features turned off in the BIOS.
[15:29] <TJ-> Spartacus_: flashing cursor top-left usually means the MBR boot-strap code loaded but somehow failed to load core.img
[15:30] <SchrodingersScat> diegotxe: welcome
[15:30] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Hmm, so its an UEFI but it has booted in legacy/BIOS mode?
[15:31] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: If you use my script contents as a guide, you can see all the mounts you need to do to create a working chroot that you can run "grub-install" and "update-grub" inside of
[15:31] <Spartacus_> TJ - To my knowledge that's how it should be, as I've heard it's a pain in the... to install on UEFI.
[15:31] <Spartacus_> TJ - So things like secure boot and such are disabled.
[15:33] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I prefer UEFI myself especially for mutli-boot systems, with Windows
[15:33] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: From what I see, it's /proc /dev /dev/pts and the DNS resolv file right?
[15:33] <Spartacus_> TJ - Oh? I thought that was the opposite of what people wanted lol
[15:34] <Lumbendil-laptop> and boot
[15:34] <Lumbendil-laptop> and /boot/efi which is in a different partition
[15:34] <Spartacus_> TJ - How should I proceed from here?
[15:35] <compdoc> set stuff for legacy, and install?
[15:37] <LucidGuy> Anyone using Ubuntu+ZFS in production environment?
[15:38] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: afaik, I set up the chroot correctly
[15:38] <Lumbendil-laptop> any way to test it? :)
[15:39] <meganerd> ZFS, ugh
[15:40] <Lumbendil-laptop> gonna reboot to test if it did the trick, though no errors where shown
[15:41] <MoProductions> Hello.  I’m on Ubuntu 14.04 trying to network with OSX 10.9.  I can connect to the folder on the Mac fine from within the Unity “Browse Network” command. But, without fail, after about a minute the connection will be lost and I get this “Unhandled error message: Error sending data: Broken pipe”.  Is there any way I can make this connection stable?
[15:44] <Spartacus_> TJ - still around?
[15:45] <TJ-> Spartacus_: sorry, trying to multi-task with real hardware here (bikes) :)
[15:45] <ragnarock> :q
[15:45] <rohitvarkey> Hi! My root filesystem keeps going into read only mode after booting. Does anyone have any idea how I can stop this?
[15:45] <Spartacus_> TJ - Haha, sorry
[15:45] <bitcoinassassin> hi. is there a way to do a version upgrade from a DVD or via a network? Or ISO burned to USB drive?
[15:45] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: I'm back, grub-install && grub-update didn't change
[15:45] <bitcoinassassin> I think I can just select "upgrade" during the installation procedure - ??
[15:46] <Lumbendil-laptop> the /boot/efi folder is properly populated though, I thought it wasn't because it is in a different partition
[15:46] <TJ-> Spartacus_: It'd help to know which method the installer used, if the ISO started in UEFI mode it would have used "grub-efi", if Legacy "grub-pc"... but if it won't boot we have to go through the same procedure as Lumbendil is right now, using Live ISO and a chroot to repair the installation
[15:46] <bitcoinassassin> sorry - this would be an upgrade to 14.04 lts.......64 bit.....
[15:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - How would we know which method it used?
[15:47] <bitcoinassassin> *version upgrade
[15:47] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: OK, so you progressed. When you did "grub-install" did you get any messages about efibootmgr ?
[15:47] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: no
[15:47] <Lumbendil-laptop> it ran without errors
[15:47] <ObrienDave> bitcoinassassin, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:47] <TJ-> Spartacus_: We'd have to look 'inside' the installed system to determine it.
[15:47] <Lumbendil-laptop> grub-update just gave a warning about a config which was no longer supported, no errors
[15:47] <bitcoinassassin> ObrienDave, thanks, but that was not my question.
[15:48] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: Hmm, did you check which package, "grub-pc" or "grub-efi" was installed in it?
[15:48] <ObrienDave> okay
[15:48] <bitcoinassassin> Need to try a version upgrade via DVD or USB stick if possible.
[15:48] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: I didn't, give me a second and I set up the chroot again
[15:49] <catalase> for those who use RSA keys here, do you password protect your RSA key
[15:49] <catalase> i feel like that defeats a part of the purpose of the key anyway
[15:49] <bitcoinassassin> Well, guess I got nothing to lose. So I will just give it a go.
[15:49] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: OK, and also, we need to know whether your Live environment is Legacy or UEFI too. check for the existence of "/sys/firmware/efi/" with sub-dirs such as "efivars"
[15:50] <TJ-> catalase: Yes, and store it in an encrypted container
[15:50] <Spartacus_> TJ - How do we look in there?
[15:50] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: my live env is uefi
[15:50] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: coool, that means if you have to use efibootmgr manually, it will work :)
[15:51] <Lumbendil-laptop> give me a minute to set up the chroot
[15:51] <Lumbendil-laptop> well, at least now I understand how a jailed system is set up, more or less :P
[15:51] <TJ-> Lumbendil-laptop: in the chroot, do "dpkg -l 'grub*' " and you should expect to see "ii" (installed) prefix for "grub-efi"
[15:53] <MoProductions> Can someone tell me the command to list all open network connections?  I want to see if it still shows up even though it’s still broken.
[15:53] <MutantTurkey> netstat
[15:53] <MoProductions> thank you *added to knowledge base*
[15:54] <MoProductions> Does that show things like connections between my ubuntu machine and other machines?  The connections are failling after 60 seconds and i need to figure out why
[15:55] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: grub-efi un, grub-efi-amd64 ii
[15:55] <Lumbendil-laptop> grub and grub2 both are shown as "un"
[15:56] <grobe0ba> MoProductions, netstat
[15:56] <MoProductions> That’s showing like dozens of connections. Is there a way to just filter conections between two computers?
[15:57] <grobe0ba> MoProductions, netstat -nwee | grep 192.168.5.2
[15:57] <grobe0ba> replace IP address as needed
[15:57] <MoProductions> ok lemme try
[15:57] <grobe0ba> for real troubleshooting, you should probably look at tcpdump
[15:57] <grobe0ba> which will let you analyze the traffic
[15:57] <MoProductions> would that let me know when/why my connections fail?
[15:57] <Spartacus_> TJ - Put the iso onto my USB 3 drive and reinstalled. boots now :D
[15:57] <MoProductions> I mean they START off fine, but after a minute it breaks
[15:57] <k1l_> MoProductions: is it wifi?
[15:58] <MoProductions> k1l_: The ubuntu machine is connected via wire, my Macbook is connected via WiFi
[15:58] <k1l_> better first take a look into dmesg after that connection failed
[15:58] <Spartacus_> TJ - Crap, tried to scroll up to where you said I had to make that config file, but won't let me go back that far anymore :(
[15:59] <k1l_> MoProductions: i dont want to know what devices stand in your shed :) what is the connection exactly that the ubuntu issue you are talking about :)
[16:00] <k1l_> there are some wifi cards that are known to have a crappy connection with the wrong drivers.
[16:01] <Lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: should I install grub-efi ?
[16:01] <MoProductions> k1l_: I connected to another machine from my ubuntu machine through the unity/finder window “Browse Network”.  I create a network connection to another folder on the other machine, logging in normally . Things are fine for about a minute.  Then, for reasons unknown (haven’t checked logs yet), the connection fails.  Any attempt to reconnect results in a Broken Pipe error, and I can’t unmount
[16:02] <k1l_> MoProductions: so its not a hardware issue but a issue inbetween theese to devices? did you test both devices with other to make sure which one is the problem?
[16:03] <k1l_> but dmesg and syslog should give some info about that dropoff
[16:03] <MoProductions> I’m looking through those now, they’re pretty wordy heh.
[16:15] <MoProductions> OK this is interseting.  I connected to another computer as suggested.  Connection there seems fine.  Then I connected back to the original computer I was having issues with.  So far no problems.  Is it possible that simply having a separate connection on a different computer would solve the original computer’s connection problems?
[16:15] <MoProductions> Whoops spoke too soon
[16:16] <MoProductions> OK so it appears to be an issue with the non ubuntu machine.  Could be being on wifi cause that?
[16:20] <ActionParsnip> MoProductions: are you trying to share internet connectivity?
[16:21] <MoProductions> No, I’m just trying to keep a stable connection between two computers so that I can copy builds over all day.
[16:23] <MoProductions> Unfortunately my software does not have a linux version, but the builds are for linux, so i can’t work locally on the machine
[16:23] <MoProductions> The linux machine that is.
[16:23] <MissPerfect> Does it make a difference whether I use fstrim regularly or use the discard mount option?
[16:24] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: tried installing grub-efi but it didnt do the trick
[16:25] <k1l_> MissPerfect: some say so, some say the other way.
[16:25] <Beldar> MissPerfect, They work differently
[16:25] <Beldar> oops sorry
[16:25] <MissPerfect> Beldar: discard is in realtime and fstrim is batch from what I understand
[16:25] <k1l_> MissPerfect: i am fine with discard since years. others are with cron job with fstrim. your choice
[16:25] <Beldar> meant the backspace erase not enter
[16:25] <anarkhos|2> is it most common that sound works out of the box or not on lubuntu on netbooks?
[16:26] <bekks> MissPerfect: Actually it doesnt. But using it via an fstab option _may_ slow down the filesystem theoretically. Personally, I doubt that this degradation isnt that noticable.
[16:26] <MissPerfect> k1l_: For how many years have you been using this ssd? And what model is it?
[16:26] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: Hmmm, it installed correctly or reported errors?
[16:26] <lumbendil-laptop> installed correctly
[16:27] <lumbendil-laptop> can you give me the command to check installed packages again?
[16:27] <MoProductions> Hm.  I’m starting to suspect it’s an issue with the computer on wifi.  Is there a way to test for wifi stability, or perhaps another forum I could inquire in?
[16:27] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: in or out of the chroot, what does "sudo efibootmgr" report? If you have network access, can you pipe the output to pastebinit ?
[16:27] <ActionParsnip> MoProductions: do they both point to the same router?
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: depends on make and model
[16:28] <MoProductions> ActionParsnip: The ubuntu machine is hardwired.  IT doesn’t even have wifi hardware in it
[16:28] <k1l_> MissPerfect: kingston ssdnow 96gb since 3 or 4 years now. but i am sure both methods work fine for regular users
[16:28] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: acer aspire one
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> MoProductions: ok, can that ping the router. The fact it doesn't have wifi is moot
[16:28] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: ZG5 ?
[16:28] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Do you want the xorg.conf instructions again?
[16:28] <anarkhos|2> achernya: AO751h
[16:28] <sine0> i have inserted a usb into laptop and ubuntu displays it. i am trying to format it in gparted but getting issues. do i have to do soemthing first like unmounting it etc ?
[16:28] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip i meant
[16:29] <Spartacus_> TJ - Yeah, if you could
[16:29] <MoProductions> ActionParsnip: I will look into pinging the router.  It should, because the connection starts off fine, it just falls off quickly.
[16:29] <MoProductions> or is that just ping 192.168.1.1
[16:29] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: what is the output of:   wget -O alsa-info.sh http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh && chmod +x ./alsa-info.sh && ./alsa-info.sh --upload
[16:29] <Beldar> MissPerfect, I have fstrim as an end of a daily update upgrade.
[16:30] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You'll need to stop the GUI to run "sudo Xorg -configure" .... so the best way to do that (from a Live ISO) is first check you can switch to a text Virtual Terminal (VT), and there issue "sudo service lightdm stop" to stop the GUI and X server, then run "sudo Xorg -configure", then restart the GUI with "sudo service lightdm start"
[16:30] <MissPerfect> k1l_: Mine's just a newer Samsung 24GB msata ssd so its a slower than a normal sata one but fast enough compared to hdd
[16:30] <ActionParsnip> MoProductions: if that is the router's internal IP, yes
[16:30] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: one moment
[16:31] <Spartacus_> TJ - About the GUI thing. Turns out even after installing i still can't switch to a terminal. image still just freezes. I'm guessing it has to do with crappy video drivers, which I'm attemping to change right now
[16:31] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, yes, that is going to be needed. The other option is to reboot in Recovery (single user text) mode and do it from there
[16:31] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906195/
[16:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - Alright. i'm currently following the few steps here to get different drivers: http://askubuntu.com/a/150121
[16:32] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: That looks promising! boot0004 is the "ubuntu" entry, and it is the first in the BootOrder too
[16:33] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: atm it isn't booting
[16:33] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: OK, but we're getting closer :) ... can you check if "sudo efibootmgr --verbose" provides more information that the previous command, and if so, pastebinit too?
[16:33] <andrenb> !list
[16:34] <MissPerfect> k1l_: Do you have /var/log on hdd and is there a significant benefit in doing so ssd lifespan wise?
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: use TAB and ENTER to navigate the menu
[16:34] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906220/
[16:34] <ActionParsnip> MissPerfect: I would, as well as swap and /home on platter based drive
[16:34] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: That looks even better :)
[16:35] <k1l_> MissPerfect: i dont have a hdd
[16:36] <k1l_> MissPerfect: i have only a ssd and just didnt do a swap and put discard into the fstab. that is all. new ssds dont fall apart after 1 day of usage like the very first ones did
[16:36] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: Can you check that the UUID of "sudo blkid /dev/sda1" (or whichever the EFI System partition is) matches the efi output og "b268a658-55fc-4d6e-820e-ecf5b514c02a" ?
[16:37] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: /dev/sda1: UUID="E94E-200E" TYPE="vfat"
[16:38] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: Ahhh, silly me, of course! That was a daft useless question :D
[16:39] <lumbendil-laptop> it ain't the /dev/sda2 UUID either (which is / )
[16:39] <anarkhein> ActionParsnip: ok...
[16:39] <anarkhein> ActionParsnip: http://www.alsa-project.org/db/?f=610c4c2d6ee2ea9aa2b17202689c282cefa256a5
[16:39] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: OK, I've seen UEFI firmwares that use an incorrect device identifier - the HD(1,800,....) part and as a result fail to boot, but other than that, if  "/boot/efi/EFI/ubuntu/shimx64.efi" and its grubx64.efi partner exist, then that system should boot to GRUB at least, if not Ubuntu.
[16:40] <lumbendil-laptop> shumx64.efi is available
[16:40] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: I suggest when you reboot you press whatever key is needed to enter the Firmware's boot-menu, and manually select the "ubuntu" option and report back. That'll confirm the firmware is actually at least trying to boot that entry
[16:41] <lumbendil-laptop> and grubx64.efi is available aswell
[16:41] <Spartacus_> TJ - Woot, broke the install again apparently
[16:41] <lumbendil-laptop> TJ-: I'll connect to irc from my desktop while I reboot
[16:41] <TJ-> lumbendil-laptop: OK, on the face of it, the Linux/Ubuntu side of things is absolutely correct. Remaining issues will be motherboard/firmware issues
[16:41] <Spartacus_> TJ - Black screen, blinking cursor, can't go to terminals :-/
[16:41] <citrusfizz> is there any specific distro that would make for a good multi monitor Dashboard display ?   firefox, and flash being the only real requirement,  but i would like to have as much automation as possible during the boot process  to auto load firefox on each display in full screen
[16:41] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Is that at boot time?
[16:42] <Spartacus_> TJ - yeah, after selecting in bootloader
[16:42] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You pressed Shift key at boot to get to the GRUB menu?
[16:42] <Lumbendil> TJ-: I'm here :)
[16:42] <TJ-> Lumbendil: It worked then?
[16:42] <Lumbendil> atm, 3 options, HDD/SSD, LAN1, LAN2
[16:43] <Lumbendil> I guess it's HDD
[16:43] <Spartacus_> Huh? No. Grub menu comes up every boot to select between Linux & Windows
[16:43] <TJ-> Lumbendil: no!
[16:43] <Lumbendil> there is no "ubuntu" option
[16:43] <Lumbendil> there is that + enter setup
[16:43] <TJ-> Lumbendil: There has to be an "ubuntu" option ... we saw that is its title!
[16:43] <Lumbendil> boot menu shows only those 3 + enter setup
[16:43] <Spartacus_> TJ - Huh? No. Grub menu comes up every boot to select between Linux & Windows
[16:43] <TJ-> Lumbendil: try rebooting, go into the full firmware setup options, and see if you can edit the boot menu to add/remove entries manually - if so, see if you can spot the "ubuntu" entry
[16:44] <Spartacus_> (forgot to put your name on it, so re-said)
[16:44] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK... so GRUB starts, but it fails to load Ubuntu?
[16:44] <Spartacus_> TJ - Right
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> anarkhein: try:  echo "options snd-hda-intel model=acer" | sudo tee -a /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf > /dev/null
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> anarkhein: reboot to test
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> anarkhein: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AspireOne/AO751h
[16:44] <TJ-> Lumbendil: The only other thing I can think is that the firmware is *not* saving the boot-menu entry after efibootmgr adds it... a known issue with some buggy firmwares... what is the make/model of the PC, or the motherboard ?
[16:45] <Lumbendil> TJ-: Toshiba Portege z930
[16:45] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK... GRUB Menu, choose Advanced, choose the Recovery option, and report back. You should see kernel messages scrolling fast as the kernel initialisies.
[16:45] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Let me do some research on that
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[16:46] <Lumbendil> I've searched and I didn't read from people complaining on this step
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> anarkhein: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/913794
[16:46] <anarkhos|2> hmm
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[16:46] <Pici> MarleyPlant: knock it off, this is a support channel.
[16:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - It appears to have stopped
[16:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - last thing it shows it [9.752403] ppdev: user-space parallel port driver
[16:47] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, that's progress anyhow... the kernel has started and got a long way too - 9 seconds in
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[16:48] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Try switching VTs see if you get a prompt or menu on any of them
[16:48] <Spartacus_> TJ - negative. Nothing happens. Just stays on this screen.
[16:50] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK... the previous messages on-screen could be useful... any chance you could take a photo and upload it?
[16:50] <MoProductions> brb i dont want my networking tests to annoy the room with logout/login messages
[16:50] <Spartacus_> TJ - Yeah, hang on
[16:52] <Spartacus_> TJ - imgur.com/GHLEQJq
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Spartacus_: do you use your parallel port?
[16:54] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: ok im gonna try editing that .conf file
[16:54] <Spartacus_> ActionParsnip - No.
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> Spartacus_: then disable it in BIOS
[16:54] <TJ-> Lumbendil: I can't find anything obvious to explain why the firmware doesn't show the "ubuntu" entry. To test whether it is, in fact, saved reboot to the EFI ISO environment and run "sudo efibootmgr" again... if there is no "ubuntu" entry we know the firmware is at fault here
[16:54] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: the command I gave does that for you....
[16:54] <anarkhos|2> by the way, how long is "speaker-test" supposed to take? it's still running. no error messages, but also no sound
[16:54] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: right
[16:55] <Lumbendil> TJ-: ?
[16:55] <Spartacus_> ActionParsnip - Well don't I feel stupid for not thinking of that myself. Lemme see if I can.
[16:55] <Lumbendil> got lost there
[16:55] <anarkhos|2> does speaker-test run until i instruct it to stop?
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> Spartacus_: disable stuff you dont need keeps the system as simple as possible
[16:55] <ActionParsnip> Spartacus_: if you use HDMI audio and have onboard sound too, disable the onboard sound if you never use itr
[16:56] <TJ-> Lumbendil: I'm trying to diagnose why the firmware isn't listing "ubuntu" in its boot menu. If my hypothesis that it didn't save it holds, then booting to Live and checking with efibootmgr will prove or disprove that
[16:56] <Lumbendil> TJ-: I run it from the ISO or from the chrooted env?
[16:56] <Spartacus_> ActionParsnip - Okay. Disabled onboard sound, graphics, and parallel. Let's see what happens.
[16:56] <TJ-> Lumbendil: just a straight-forward Live boot (in EFI mode so you have access to the EFI variables) then run "sudo efibootmgr" and check whether the "Boot0004" "ubuntu" entry is still there
[16:57] <Lumbendil> TJ-: booted the live ISO, no efibootmgr
[16:57] <Spartacus_> TJ & ActionParsnip - It actually successfully booted into Recovery it seems
[16:58] <TJ-> Lumbendil: You'll need to install the package "sudo apt-get install efibootmgr"
[16:58] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Well, that's more promising :)
[16:58] <Lumbendil> I thought it was already installed
[16:58] <Spartacus_> TJ & ActionParsnip - Should I attempt to go through with a normal boot and see what happens?
[16:58] <Lumbendil> it's in there!
[16:58] <Lumbendil> arg
[16:58] <MoProductions> IS it not recommended to expect stable connections from a wired ubuntu machine to a non ubuntu wifi machine?
[16:58] <TJ-> Spartacus_: That final kernel message about ppdev is simply the last message written to console, not an indication that it failed at that point in some way
[16:59] <Spartacus_> TJ - Oh. I suppose I just got lucky that one of the things I disabled got it through then.
[16:59] <TJ-> MoProductions: a network is a network... do tests from wired PC to wired PC without Wifi in between - if the problem goes away, you know the Wifi is the problem
[16:59] <Spartacus_> TJ - After resuming normal boot, I've made it back in :D
[17:00] <TJ-> Lumbendil: OK, so we know your system's firmware is 'lying' to you
[17:00] <Spartacus_> TJ - Even better is the graphical bugs have stopped. Now I can see about switching into those VT to fix this disproportionate screen
[17:00] <TJ-> Lumbendil: is "ubuntu" still the first in the boot order too?
[17:00] <Lumbendil> TJ-: yes
[17:00] <MoProductions> TJ-: I actually did. I had no problems keeping a connection between the wired ubuntu machine and another wired local server on the same network.  The only problems were connecting to the WiFi machine so I’m fairly confident it’s that, but i’ve never experienced this problem before so i’m trying to gather as much knowledge as i can
[17:00] <TJ-> Spartacus_: haha, yes... I forgot that was where you started out :)
[17:01] <Lumbendil> F12 shows those 3 options
[17:01] <TJ-> MoProductions: I'd suspect the WiFi access point's network is getting interference between it and the Wifi client, then
[17:01] <Spartacus_> TJ - Good news and bad news. Good news is I can get into the VT to run the Xorg -configure command. Bad news is it failed
[17:02] <TJ-> Lumbendil: This is where having hands-on is so vital... I can't really help you at this stage. We've proved everything on the Ubuntu side looks correct
[17:02] <indn1234> hey quick question --> I made a bootable USB using the Startup Disk Creator in Ubuntu. Can I put personal stuff in the pen drive BEFORE installing the new ubuntu from it?
[17:02] <TJ-> Spartacus_: did you "sudo .." it ?
[17:02] <Spartacus_> TJ - "Number of created screens does not match number of detected devices. Configuration failed" is part of what it says.
[17:02] <MoProductions> TJ-: That’s entirely possible.  This is one of those NYC buildings built in the 1800’s or something, who knows what’s in the walls.  The wifi connection is stable as far as chat rooms and downloading, but something is going on to interfere with keeping a connection between computers
[17:02] <Spartacus_> Tj - Yeah
[17:02] <Spartacus_> TJ - Also killed gdm.
[17:02] <TJ-> Spartacus_: but, did a file get generated? "ls -l /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[17:03] <zacwalls> how do i view the wpa2 of a network. i dont have a wireless card so i use a wlan0 network o cores. im not sure if this is even possible but if it is, can someone please provide a link or give tech support?
[17:03] <SchrodingersScat> MoProductions: have you tried something that can keep partial transfers? like an rsync?
[17:03] <Spartacus_> TJ - "No such file or directory" doesn't look that way
[17:03] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Hmmm, that is weird
[17:04] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You sure know how to challenge us!
[17:04] <MoProductions> SchrodingersScat: No I haven’t.  Hadn’t heard of that until you just mentioned it.  I went to college on Unix machiens but i’ve not worked with anything like this in a while.
[17:04] <Spartacus_> TJ - I have terrible luck with computers.
[17:04] <Spartacus_> TJ - imgur.com/5hkDQqP
[17:04] <TJ-> Spartacus_: famous words from "man Xorg" "This option currently has some problems on some platforms"
[17:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - Looks like I'm part of the "some platforms" group.
[17:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - That image I linked shows the actual screen w/ error.
[17:05] <MoProductions> If the Unity finderish windows has the link labelled as “Ubuntu Share On Mike’s Laptop” would I use that for the rsynch command?
[17:05] <TJ-> Spartacus_: "(+++) Using config file: "/home/chris/xorg.conf.new"  ?
[17:06] <Spartacus_> TJ - huh?
[17:06] <anarkhein> ActionParsnip: rebooting
[17:06] <MoProductions> Er not link, but the name of the connection to the other computer
[17:06] <TJ-> Spartacus_: that's where the file has been written I suspect :)
[17:06] <Spartacus_> TJ - Ah. Should I try that last command you said and use that name?
[17:06] <mjuszczak> How can I force a debian revision number with dh_make?  I'm trying to make it something other than -1.
[17:06] <TJ-> Spartacus_: "pastebinit /home/chris/xorg.conf.new"
[17:06] <ActionParsnip> MoProductions: you would need to find the folder that points to. the 'mount' command on it's own will show you
[17:07] <SchrodingersScat> MoProductions: not sure, i normally rsync via ssh, so on the opposite computer I have ssh credentials to login.
[17:07] <Spartacus_> paste.ubuntu.com/7906485
[17:07] <TJ-> Spartacus_: YAY :D
[17:07] <Spartacus_> TJ lol
[17:07] <Spartacus_> TJ - Hooray for progress :D
[17:07] <MoProductions> ActionParsnip: ‘mount’ command, lemme try that
[17:08] <Spartacus_> Doesn't look like it says much about the whole monitor thing.
[17:08] <TJ-> Spartacus_: give me 10 minutes to convert that into something that will work for you, I need to refer to my own custom configs here
[17:08] <MoProductions> SchrodingersScat: I actually had a connection via smb from the laptop to the ubuntu, but the login wouldn’t work and Guest copied things over with no permissions that would let it use.  I could chmod it but I’m trying to document a pipeline for all this and I’m hoping to avoid little things caused by strange errors
[17:08] <Spartacus_> TJ - Cool. Sounds like a plan.
[17:09] <Lumbendil> TJ-: maybe my best choice would be to boot on non-efi mode and install ubuntu that way so it installs itself without efi?
[17:09] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: that single line of yours seems to have done the trick. speaker-test produced sound now. thanks!
[17:09] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Yes, that is possible. It might be worth seeing if there is a firmware update - I did notice mention of one or more updates for that model
[17:10] <TJ-> Lumbendil: this is definitely a bug in the firmware
[17:11] <Spartacus_> TJ - i also don't appear to have sound, not that I want to put more on you. You're already the man for helping me this far :P
[17:12] <TJ-> Spartacus_: what is the make/model of the problem TV ?
[17:13] <Spartacus_> TJ -  "LG Google TV G3"
[17:13] <Spartacus_> TJ - I think I took care of the sound. It was on the wrong output.
[17:14] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, and can you find me the exact millimetre width/height dimensions of it, or measure them manually?
[17:14] <Spartacus_> TJ - I'll try looking it up
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: np broseph
[17:15] <ActionParsnip> anarkhos|2: the power of searching the internet....
[17:16] <anarkhos|2> ActionParsnip: yeah i had some forum pages ready, but i wanted to ask here too in order to maybe get a more specific and simple suggestion than installing 4 new tools that may or may not fix it
[17:16] <Spartacus_> TJ - Found specs on LG's website, though I'm thinking that it also includes the bezel around the screen itself.
[17:17] <TJ-> Spartacus_: get your tape measure out :)
[17:17] <Spartacus_> TJ - 42.76" x 25.7" x 1.43" not that you need thickness lol --- gonna see if I can measure for real
[17:17] <Spartacus_> TJ - How do you need it? Just hight and width? Or diagonal too? (diagonal should be 46.9")
[17:18] <TJ-> Spartacus_: height and width of the display area
[17:18] <Lumbendil> TJ-: firmware updates are windows installers, I've formated windows, yay, lucky me
[17:18] <TJ-> Spartacus_: and we need millimetres, so if you measure in inches, be very accurate so the conversion is accurate :)
[17:18] <sine0> how can i create a linked directory on my desktop to another computer i have root on
[17:18] <sine0> so i can edit a text file there like it was on my desktop
[17:18] <TJ-> Lumbendil: Grrrr :(
[17:18] <bosnjak> hi
[17:19] <Spartacus_> TJ - oh goodie...
[17:19] <Busserl> sine0: I think nfs could work easily, if you don't need encryption
[17:20] <Busserl> sine0: and if both pcs are linux
[17:20] <sine0> Busserl: yes they both are. one has apache on it with my index.html i want to edit in a local gui text editor
[17:21] <Spartacus_> TJ - looks like 41.25" across and....
[17:21] <Busserl> sine0: do you know that x11 over ssh may also work? Or better yet a terminal editor like vim?
[17:21] <MoProductions> If I have a folder mounted called “MoDocs for motion on mava” listed, shouldn’t at least some of those words show up in the listings when i type ‘mount'?
[17:21] <maddawg> FINALLY.. network is working again
[17:21] <maddawg> stupid OVH... didnt even solve the problem
[17:21] <bosnjak> is it somehow possible to knowingly guess when the user has left his computer, if the computer is still working and the screen went blank. I know that the "w" command gives you the last IDLE time, but if i type the command on the keyboard, this will be reset. is there such activity log somewhere that would give some hint? ( checking if roommate is lying about being home at the time :D )
[17:21] <sine0> Busserl: i can just ssh edit with nano which i was doing...
[17:21] <sine0> the server does not have an X env
[17:22] <basketball> how do i install a program from a tar.gz
[17:22] <sine0> nfs was not found in the packages apt-get
[17:22] <Spartacus_> TJ - 41.25" across, 23" high
[17:22] <bosnjak> also, SSH is not enabled so I can't do it like that.
[17:22] <basketball> how do i install a program from a tar.gz via terminal
[17:22] <trijntje> basketball: don't do that, its a pain. What are you trying to install?
[17:22] <sine0> Busserl: on windows i used a program called WinSCP
[17:22] <basketball> libre office 4.3
[17:22] <Spartacus_> TJ - Google says that's 1047.75 x 584.2 mm
[17:23] <Busserl> sine0: try the wiki, nfs should work easily as it supports the linux file system, etc https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo
[17:23] <bosnjak> basketball: if the .tar.gz contains a source code, you need to build it first, and then install
[17:23] <Busserl> sine0: you could also just use scp to copy the file over, like you did with WinSCP I guess.
[17:24] <bosnjak> basketball: in such case, the instructions will be provided with the source
[17:24] <trijntje> basketball: it would be a lot easier to stick with what is installed by default. Is there a reason you need the latest version?
[17:24] <basketball> i just want it
[17:24] <bosnjak> basketball: what is the package?
[17:24] <trijntje> basketball: thats not a reason ;)
[17:24] <trijntje> !latest
[17:26] <TJ-> Spartacus_: thanks
[17:26] <sine0> Busserl: looking at the how to i bookmarked it for some fun another time but ill stick with scp and pressing up in terminal console to repeat command :/
[17:26] <bosnjak> basketball: if you still want to install it, refer to the instructions from the readme file. If you tell us what package it is or where you downloaded it from, we could help more
[17:26] <MonkeyDust> bosnjak  if you're so eager to have it, i'm sure you'll be creative enough to get it
[17:27] <Busserl> basketball: You could also search for a PPA with that application, and just install the usuall way. Hhowever this is probably not supported, as you would mix third party packages with official ones. tar.gz is a pain.
[17:27] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Are you planning on using the nouveau driver permanently or switching to the nvidia driver/
[17:27] <SchrodingersScat> bosnjak: he said libreOffice above
[17:27] <xangua> MonkeyDust: I want it too
[17:27] <Busserl> sine0: maybe you could use an ide with built-in scp, I don't know if that exists. :)
[17:27] <Raventec> When dealing with Android, it's common practice to install a custom recovery, where you can browse your SD card for different ROMs and flash them with ease. On PC, is there a way to install some kind of "recovery" or first layer OS where you can browse your HDD / USB drives, etc. and flash different Linux distros?
[17:28] <bekks> Raventec: No, thats not how a PC works.
[17:28] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: I think you can have a grub entry for a liveISO, and boot into that, I've not done this though.
[17:28] <Guest3633> http://i.imgur.com/yli1b8D.png
[17:28] <MoProductions> Speaking of Android…is it in any way possible to run ubuntu on a mobile device and run apps that require a usb camera?  Our software needs ubuntu, but if we could put it on mobile that would be killer
[17:29] <bekks> !touch | MoProductions
[17:29] <Lumbendil> TJ-: installing in non-uefi mode worked
[17:29] <MoProductions> Noted…thank you.
[17:29] <Lumbendil> so now I mostly just hate my life for losing so much time
[17:29] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2/ISOBoot I believe this is what I speak of
[17:29] <TJ-> Lumbendil: What a pain!
[17:29] <Beldar> Raventec, There are usb loaders that allow multiple iso's for install.
[17:29] <Raventec> bekks, I imagined that might be the case. But SchrodingersScat, tell me more about that? The reason I need something like this is my laptop doesn't have the ability to boot from USB (option isn't included in BIOS) and it doesn't have a disk drive. So the only way to install a new OS is to pull the hard drive and put it in a different machine, then install, then swap it back
[17:29] <Lumbendil> Thanks for all the assistance
[17:29] <trijntje> Raventec: the closest ubuntu has is to put iso's in /boot/grml, that way you can boot your pc from different iso's to test stuf out or install
[17:29] <Lumbendil> at least I learned a bit about chrooting
[17:29] <TJ-> Lumbendil: your welcome
[17:30] <trijntje> !info grml-rescue
[17:30] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Are you planning on using the nouveau driver permanently or switching to the nvidia driver/
[17:30] <trijntje> !info grml-rescueboot
[17:30] <Spartacus_> TJ - I prefer nvidia, as I'm expecting that's where the best performance is. Testing a game right now, and it's not as good as I had hoped, but not that bad.
[17:30] <Beldar> Raventec, check the above link on grml-rescueboot
[17:30] <Raventec> Oka
[17:32] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The reason I ask is, the nouveau driver doesn't have an xorg.conf option to ignore the EDID info, but the nvdia driver does. So if you intend using nvidia I can make this file correct for nvidia
[17:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - That'll work.
[17:32] <Raventec> Beldar, I think this should work. So what I'll do is pull the hard drive like I normally do, put it in a different machine, do the process described on that page, and then put it back in the machine. Then I should be able to do a clean wipe / reinstall of Ubuntu whenever I want, right from GRUB, correct?
[17:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - As far as installing nvidia drivers, was it as simple as just "sudo apt-get install nvidia-current" after adding the ppa?
[17:33] <Guest3633> is this normal? http://i.imgur.com/yli1b8D.png
[17:33] <bekks> Guest3633: What can be seen on your paste?
[17:33] <Guest3633> my screen
[17:33] <Guest3633> is so yellow
[17:34] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You don't even need the PPA, unless you need the very latest bleeding edge driver
[17:34] <MonkeyDust> Guest3633  what is that? use pastebin, so we can read it and help
[17:34] <MonkeyDust> Guest3633  how is that ubuntu releated?
[17:34] <Spartacus_> TJ - oh. Well I do like fresh drivers :P Was that the extent of what needs to be done though? Like is there a way to make sure that it's using the new driver?
[17:34] <Guest3633> it's not
[17:34] <Guest3633> slow day
[17:34] <Guest3633> bye!
[17:34] <MonkeyDust> Guest3633  then why ask here?
[17:35] <TJ-> Guest3633: Are you using a VGA analog connection? If so, tighten the connections both end, wiggle them, that looks like one of the colour signals is not getting through.
[17:35] <Raventec> Whoaaa this is a lot of work
[17:35] <Raventec> I wanna do it but it might be easier just to fkck with the hardware every time
[17:36] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If you've got the nvidia driver installed the xorg.conf I've just finished should work with it correctly
[17:36] <Raventec> What a stupid design this laptop has.. no CD drive, and no boot from USB option. They really want to stick you with windows
[17:36] <trijntje> Raventec: what exactly do you want to do? If you just want to mess around with different OS'es you might be better off using virtualbox
[17:37] <Raventec> trijntje no I want to install a new OS
[17:37] <trijntje> Raventec: my BIOS thinks any usb I plug in is an extra harddrive, so you might want to check and make sure your BIOS doesnt think the same
[17:37] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: right, limits your options, so the isoboot or maybe PXE netwook boot.
[17:37] <trijntje> so I have to go boot -> press F12 to select boot device -> Harddisk -> Usb disk
[17:37] <TJ-> Spartacus_: this is the file: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7906711/   ... you need to save it to "/etc/X11/xorg.conf", for which you'll need to use sudo privileges
[17:37] <Raventec> trijntje that's actually a good point I ran into that recently on an IBM thinkcentre
[17:38] <Raventec> Will check that before I do anyhting
[17:38] <Raventec> And yes schrodingersscat, I think I will try the isoboot
[17:38] <Spartacus_> TJ - Numbered lines included in the file, or no?
[17:39] <TJ-> Spartacus_: no :) ... that's for help in reading/referring to it. If you want to do a simple download hang on a mo...
[17:39] <Raventec> Hey while I'm here I have a qustion for you all. I've been using IRC a lot more lately. Very helpful and fun. I understand the tagging system where you type a name to get the person's attention, but I'm kinda lazy. Is there an extension of some sort for xchat where you can click on the name and it will paste it into the text box
[17:40] <Spartacus_> TJ - ok
[17:40] <Beldar> Raventec, No and if your that lazy maybe you should just not use the service. ;)
[17:40] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: try typing the first couple letters of their name then hit tab
[17:40] <TJ-> Spartacus_: ... "wget -O - http://iam.tj/projects/misc/xorg.conf.Spartacus | sudo dd of=/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[17:40] <Raventec> SchrodingersScat, you're awesome
[17:40] <SchrodingersScat> I reject that, 90% of computing is to accentuate my lazyness
[17:40] <trijntje> Raventec: tab completion is magic, it also works in the terminal and is a massive time saver
[17:40] <Raventec> Beldar, if most people weren't at least that lazy the feature SchrodingersScat described wouldn't be there :)
[17:41] <Raventec> That's a helpful trick
[17:41] <trijntje> lazy is good, it saves time ;)
[17:41] <Mobutils>  oh tab completion, why doesn’t everything have it?
[17:41] <Beldar> Raventec, You described knowing of tap complete, but not that you did not fully understand it.
[17:41] <TJ-> It's not lazy, it's efficient :)
[17:41] <Spartacus_> TJ - Nice, I think that went in.
[17:41] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: and like trijntje said, try tab everywhere, it might help finish commands and paths
[17:41] <Spartacus_> TJ (that's what she said_
[17:41] <Spartacus_> )*
[17:42] <bosnjak> MonkeyDust: not sure what you mean
[17:42] <Raventec> Beldar, I hadn't ever known of tab complete until this second :D
[17:42] <TJ-> Spartacus_: You can check with "sudo cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[17:42] <bosnjak> SchrodingersScat: ok, i didn't see that, thx
[17:42] <Raventec> just tried it in terminal and it works great there too
[17:42] <Raventec> probably save me a lot of time
[17:42] <Beldar> Raventec, Ah I assumed tagging was a comment on tap complete.
[17:42] <Spartacus_> TJ - I take it that command displays the file, as that's what it did :P
[17:43] <Spartacus_> TJ - What do I do now? Restart the computer? or just X?
[17:43] <Raventec> Thanks everyone
[17:43] <magic> Tab completion is beautiful
[17:43] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If you've installed the nvidia driver, do a restart
[17:43] <SchrodingersScat> Raventec: welcome
[17:43] <Beldar> Raventec, Mainly I was just surprised getting free help was not enough to get you out of laziness. ;)
[17:44] <Spartacus_> TJ - Rebooting now
[17:44] <Beldar> I'm a pro slacker from way back
[17:44] <Spartacus_> TJ - I don't think it worked.
[17:46] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, what symptoms do you have?
[17:46] <TJ-> Spartacus_: if you can get a terminal can you do "pastebinit /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[17:47] <guideX> anyone have any idea how I can get the files from a apt-get package
[17:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - paste.ubuntu.com/7906790
[17:49] <Alopex> hi all, short question i am using ubuntu server 14 ,i was installing some gnome stuff and then i reseted the pc, now i want do deinstall all the stuff that it already had installed, any advice?
[17:49] <Alopex> apt-get remove ___packages___ didn't remove anything
[17:50] <Alopex> i ran also dpkg --configure -a before..
[17:50] <ActionParsnip> Alopex: `why install a desktop if you installed the server OS? it make no sense.....
[17:51] <UbuntuLTSTrouble> Can someone here help me troubleshoot a Ubuntu 14.04 LTS issue?
[17:51] <Alopex> i wanted to install a lightweight surface
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> Alopex: if you wanted a desktop OS, why not install the desktop ISO
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> Alopex: LUbuntu is lightweight....
[17:51] <Alopex> ActionParsnip:changed my mind...
[17:51] <Alopex> during installation
[17:51] <UbuntuLTSTrouble> I can't login to my desktop
[17:51] <ActionParsnip> !aptfix | Alopex
[17:51] <Alopex> ActionParsnip: dpkg --get-selections shows a couple packages
[17:51] <UbuntuLTSTrouble> And I can't login as guest either
[17:52] <Hypersonic> I just bought another WiFi USB, and it is also only getting 1Mbps. I am tired of watching videos at 144p.
[17:52] <Alopex> it's not locked
[17:52] <Spartacus_> TJ - imgur.com/nyTwzBL - that should give you a good idea of what i've been talking about. Terminal, file manager, icons and things of that nature are huge, but the dock is proper size.
[17:52] <Alopex> i can run everything
[17:52] <skay> I have done something to my ubuntu setup that is sporadiacally changing the rendering of text in my terminals, browser, menus, and other places. I'm not sure what I did. I'm not even sure what to do for troubleshooting. here's an example of me typing b's that show up like swans http://imgur.com/KGIl6Fl
[17:52] <Hypersonic> I don't know if it is Ubuntu that has horrible support for USB wifi.
[17:52] <TJ-> Spartacus_: thanks. I'm just trying to correct the xorg.conf since nvidia gives the display a different name
[17:53] <Spartacus_> TJ - I see.
[17:53] <Alopex> xorg gnome-core gnome-system-tools gnome-app-install : these were the packages
[17:53] <pts256> Is it possible to make capslock work as third ctrl in 14.04 via gui?
[17:53] <Alopex> how can i remove everything which they installed?
[17:54] <Aaraigathor> I was having issues with my Creative Xfi Xrememusic sound card so I just switched to an AW840 Cobra based sound card and Ubuntu 14.04 doesn't detect the card. Is there anything I need to do that I missed to switch sound cards?
[17:54] <Alopex> like cups.. and x11
[17:54] <Alopex> ah man if fcked that up
[17:54] <ActionParsnip> Alopex: try the command it may straighten things out. You can then uninstall xorg and the GUI apps will fail deps and remove when you run:  sudo apt-get --purge autoremove
[17:54] <Alopex> ActionParsnip: already did that
[17:54] <Alopex> ActionParsnip: also autoclean
[17:55] <Alopex> is there a way to deinstall all not-ubuntu-server packages?
[17:57] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The photo looks fine to me. The only thing that might need changing is in the system settings > appearance options... possibly changing the dots-per-inch value (DPI) to decrease the relative size of the icons
[17:57] <Alopex> ActionParsnip: want a full list of the installed packages? But removing them by hand would be a pain...
[17:57] <pts256> hello... How about caps?
[17:58] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The text sizes in the windows look fine relative to the dock, for example
[17:58] <Spartacus_> TJ - Definitely way larger than it should be. Windows don't even fit on the screen.
[17:58] <TJ-> Spartacus_: what is the active resolution ("xrandr -q") ?
[17:59] <Spartacus_> 1920x1080
[17:59] <TJ-> Spartacus_: look for the "*" modeline, e.g. "   1920x1200      60.0*+"
[17:59] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Then the only issue is DPI settings I'd think
[18:00] <Spartacus_> TJ - Maybe, though I don't see where that is.
[18:00] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I don't use Unity so I can't help you there
[18:01] <ploo_> how do i disable a service in ubuntu 14 server?
[18:01] <Spartacus_> TJ - imgur.com/fZqthV3 - Terminal next to Steam, which looks fine (Steam, that is) also, I didn't think I was using Unity either. Gnome 3 is what this has :P
[18:02] <plinio_> usion
[18:03] <TJ-> Spartacus_: The slightly improved xorg.conf can be fetched using the same command as before: "wget -O - http://iam.tj/projects/misc/xorg.conf.Spartacus | sudo dd of=/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
[18:03] <sigismund> hi! i need some help in configuring ubuntu..
[18:03] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I don't use Gnome either, but somewhere in the Appearance settings should be an option to adjust the DPI ... more DPI means smaller text/icons
[18:04] <Alopex> noone can help?
[18:04] <Alopex> I am an linux admin myself, so it would be very fast ...
[18:05] <Aaraigathor> I was having issues with my Creative Xfi Xtrememusic sound card so I just switched to an AW840 Cobra based sound card and Ubuntu 14.04 doesn't detect the card. Is there anything I need to do that I missed to switch sound cards?
[18:05] <Alopex> current task: remove all not propriatary packages from ubuntu server
[18:05] <hwe> hello i am clueless, as i should get the hwe suport thing, should i do it via Update Manger (clicking upgrade- will it upgrade to 14.04 distro), or should I * Install a newer HWE version by running: sudo apt-get install linux-generic-lts-trusty libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty linux-image-generic-lts-trusty please help :)
[18:05] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: hopefully that's most of ubuntu
[18:05] <sigismund> i lost all data after kernell panic...
[18:05] <Spartacus_> TJ - Unfortunately I haven't been able to find better than this: imgur.com/AGA5jVJ though it'd probably help if I was able to see some of the settings that are cut off in the other categories... :-/
[18:06] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If my math is good, then that display's effective DPI is 1920 / 41.259 = 46.5 DPI
[18:06] <Aaraigathor> hwe: My recommendation is using the command line. I did this for my server and it worked flawlessly
[18:06] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: No there's a lot of gnome shit
[18:06] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: and cups and x11 and whatnot
[18:06] <bluegoon> Guys regarding Ubuntu, I can just download the driver off the site and install right?
[18:06] <bluegoon> Nvidia*
[18:07] <hwe> Aaraigathor: i would rather do it via Update Manager, but I want to avoid 14.04, will it do that? I am scared :D
[18:07] <bluegoon> It seems to keep bombing out
[18:07] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: you said all 'not propriatary', are you sure you're using the right OS?
[18:07] <Alopex> go to the software-center
[18:07] <bekks> bluegoon: Nope.
[18:07] <Alopex> ye
[18:07] <bluegoon> bekks, whatsup?
[18:07] <Alopex> 3.13.0-32-generic x86_64
[18:07] <bluegoon> bekks, whats the process to get Nvidia drivers going?
[18:07] <bekks> bluegoon: You asked a question and I answered "nope" :) I am currently looking for the page that will help you.
[18:08] <sigismund> please somebody..help! Serious problems with ubuntu...kernel panic error and now no data,no desktop...
[18:08] <bekks> !nvidia | bluegoon
[18:08] <bluegoon> bekks, ,thanks dude
[18:08] <bluegoon> bekks, thanks dude
[18:08] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: Linux version 3.13.0-32-generic (buildd@kissel) (gcc version 4.8.2 (Ubuntu 4.8.2-19ubuntu1) ) #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 03:51:08 UTC 2014
[18:09] <Aaraigathor> bluegoon: I would recommend avoiding them from the website and instead install them from setting>software&updates>additionaldrivers
[18:09] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: they're not all not propriatary, just a lot...
[18:10] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I'm not sure if this might be useful for you, or not: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1479239
[18:10] <sigismund> can someone help?!
[18:10] <samurai-it> ma
[18:10] <MonkeyDust> sigismund  start with a question
[18:10] <sigismund> its complex
[18:10] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: isn't there a way to do like a reset of the packages?
[18:11] <sigismund> i had a kernel panic ..
[18:11] <sigismund> something
[18:11] <Aaraigathor> hwe: If you want to keep hwe support then you need to update to the 14.04 generic and I would highly recommend via commandline. Perhaps someone has a better answer to your question though. I just know I did it on my server via commandline and had no issues
[18:11] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: wanting all proprietary software would remove major things, like the kernel, no?
[18:11] <MonkeyDust> !details | sigismund
[18:11] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: no it shouldn't
[18:12] <MonkeyDust> sigismund  keep it in the channel please
[18:12] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proprietary_software
[18:12] <arunraj> hi
[18:12] <Pici> Aaraigathor, hwe: thats not true.  You just need to install the newer HWE stack by using the commands that were suggested.
[18:13] <Aaraigathor> Pici: Thank you for the correction
[18:13] <Jinxed-> Could someone tell me if Ubuntu would come stock with the required software to build iperf3? https://github.com/esnet/iperf
[18:14] <Pici> Oh, I guess they're gone :/
[18:14] <Aaraigathor> lol
[18:14] <sigismund> sry monkeyDust
[18:15] <catalase> how large should i make my ubuntu partition
[18:15] <catalase> server 14.04 LTS
[18:16] <Pici> Jinxed-: I doubt it.  You'll need at least the build-essential metapackage
[18:16] <SchrodingersScat> Jinxed-: no, don't think it does, I would expect to do something like apt-get build-dep iperf
[18:16] <Aaraigathor> catalase: Need more info. What size of drives? Any arrays? Encryption? Amount of RAM in the system?
[18:16] <freeone3000> I recently upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 14.04 LTS. I lost my X11 settings, somehow, and after logging in I don't get a display manager or any of my normal desktop icons or folders. How do I get access to a proper terminal to suss this out, first, and what should I look to fix?
[18:17] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: sry with proprietary i meant essential.. i'll upload a list of the packages..one sec
[18:17] <Spartacus_> TJ - On one page it mentioned trying "xrandr --dpi 46x46" but no matter what dpi I put in, it doesn't seem to change it
[18:17] <catalase> 320gb drive, no arrays, no encryption, 2 gb RAM
[18:17] <catalase> will be used for personal web server, Aaraigathor
[18:18] <sigismund> can i talk with someone in private...i'm slow and not good in english
[18:18] <TJ-> Spartacus_: "46" is apparently what is being used now. The default is usually "96", and some hi-resolution displays go higher, "120" and above
[18:18] <wirth> I tried installing citrix receiver on 14.04, but nspluginwrapper refuses to install.
[18:19] <Aaraigathor> catalase: Okay, I would recommend using 4096mb as swap and you could just put the remaining as "/"
[18:19] <Spartacus_> TJ - I just found something that changes text sizes, but that doesn't fix the huge windows.
[18:19] <wirth> I get a message of "Broken package".
[18:19] <TJ-> Spartacus_: but the "xrandr --dpi" is only for changing the way the height/width is computed from the pixel dimensions, it won't do what you require. Because the screen is so big the apparent size of objects is larger... that needs changing in the desktop environment settings somewhere
[18:20] <Hypersonic> this is pissing me off. USB wifi support is so poor. I am about ready to report this bug.
[18:20] <Aaraigathor> catalase: It isn't dualboot I'm assuming?
[18:20] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: whatever .. I guess I'll let them on the system .. it seems to be too much a pain in the ass..
[18:20] <TJ-> Spartacus_: If that same output was going to a laptop 1920x1080 screen everything would be just readable, I think.
[18:20] <mojtaba> Hi, I have a file in a usb disk and its permission is 755. If I attach the usb disk to some other Ubuntu laptop; What is the permission? Is it 755?
[18:20] <sigismund> i have no buttons on my desktop, no files nothing
[18:21] <catalase> Aaraigathor, correct. Although, that might be an interesting idea now that I think about it
[18:21] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: since it conflicts with the philosophy of the OS, it's probably best.
[18:21] <Spartacus_> TJ - idk about that last part. In that case you would think that Windows (the OS) would look stupidly large too, but it seems fine
[18:21] <bicky> hallo
[18:21] <bicky> i am new to ubuntu
[18:21] <sigismund> as im i
[18:21] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I run 6 monitors over 3 GPUs and had the same issue with 2 of them, and fixed them with the xorg.conf changes we've done for you, but I use KDE so maybe it handle scaling better
[18:21] <Spartacus_> TJ - idk...maybe a Gnome 3 distro was just a terrible idea.
[18:22] <bicky> plz help me install cricscore-1.1.0.5.tar.gz
[18:22] <Aaraigathor> catalase: Well if you're planning to do dualboot, then you'll need to leave more space for whatever the other install is going to be. Otherwise I would just make a 4096mb swap and partition the remaining as "/"
[18:22] <Spartacus_> TJ - Yeah, I certainly don't doubt your .conf, which I still greatly appreciate your help in, btw.
[18:22] <mercury00> anyone smart about fstab?
[18:22] <catalase> Aaraigathor, by swap you mean for OS?
[18:22] <Aaraigathor> mercury00: I know a little bit, what's the question?
[18:22] <mercury00> let me be smarter about that question: anyone know how to tell mount to only mount a partition /if it exists/, in fstab?
[18:22] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I know that Unity/Gnome 3 seemed to dumb-down the ability to easily fine-tune these things, and from what I gather even now it is hard to influence the settings easily
[18:23] <Spartacus_> TJ - The tweak tool that it uses is pretty nice and seems to have many options, it just seems to exclude the ones I need lol
[18:23] <Clickbuzz> Hello, Im trying to compile with gcc -m32, I get some of these: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find crt1.o: No such file or directory. When i do find /usr/ -name crti*, I get this /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crti.o. How do I go about getting what I need to allow the -m32 switch to work?
[18:24] <TJ-> Spartacus_: yeah, always the case! That's why I was hoping the xorg.conf settings would help
[18:24] <mercury00> I frequently (manging a few hundred workstations) run into the boot problem where if /any/ paritition is not available at boot, the system does not boot, just hangs.
[18:24] <mojtaba> Hi, I have a file in a usb disk and its permission is 755. If I attach the usb disk to some other Ubuntu laptop; What is the permission? Is it 755?
[18:24] <TJ-> Spartacus_: We could try adding the nvidia "DPI" option to xorg.conf
[18:25] <StolenToast> mojtaba: I don't know for sure but I don't think so
[18:25] <Aaraigathor> catalase: I suggest reading: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[18:25] <StolenToast> I'm basing this on the fact that ubuntu removes file permissions from files that came from Windows, though
[18:25] <mercury00> clickbuzz, you may have to make sure the path /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu is somewhere in your /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ files
[18:25] <freeone3000> mojtaba: Depends how it's formatted. File permissions are an attribute of the filesystem; NTFS/FAT/exFAT are mounted as what you tell them to.
[18:25] <bicky> hi tj-may u plz help me install cricscore-1.1.0.5.tar.gz applet
[18:25] <mojtaba> freeone3000: It is ext4
[18:26] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: apt-get remove --purge gnome* ... at least 100 MB deleted ...
[18:26] <freeone3000> mojtaba: Then they're preserved.
[18:26] <TJ-> Spartacus_: oh no, if we use DPI that over-rides the DisplaySize option, grrr
[18:26] <Aaraigathor> catalase: Swap can be best defined as virtual memory. It is important to consider with the performance of Ubuntu, especially servers
[18:26] <wirth> Can I install citrix without nspluginwrapper?
[18:26] <freeone3000> mojtaba: Note that file perms for ext* are based on user number, so the user the files belong to may change when transporting files.
[18:27] <samuel> anyone ever have a keyboard not working after suspend?
[18:27] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: that doesn't have anything to do with your misunderstanding
[18:27] <mojtaba> freeone3000: So, maybe I can not execute it with another account?
[18:27] <mojtaba> or write to it?
[18:27] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 I see # Multiarch support
[18:27] <Clickbuzz> /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[18:27] <Clickbuzz> /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu
[18:27] <freeone3000> mojtaba: write. 5 is +rx-w
[18:28] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: I installed some gnome-stuff and then i wanted to remove it , so it does..
[18:28] <freeone3000> mojtaba: exfat is used for a reason. No shame in using it for removable media.
[18:28] <bicky> clickbuzz..plz help me install cricscore applet{cricscore-1.1.0.5.tar.gz}
[18:28] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: i wanted to remove all non-ubunutu-server-essential packages..
[18:28] <Spartacus_> TJ - maybe I ought to go w/ something like Xubuntu
[18:29] <Spartacus_> TJ - Think I'd still have issue there?
[18:29] <mojtaba> freeone3000: why exfat?
[18:29] <Clickbuzz> bicky i dont know anything about that
[18:29] <mojtaba> freeone3000: It does not preserve the permissions though.
[18:29] <freeone3000> mojtaba: Yep, that's why. (You generally *don't* want them preserved.)
[18:29] <mojtaba> ok
[18:30] <SchrodingersScat> Alopex: ok, that's a lot more accurate than previous
[18:30] <bhalash> ls
[18:30] <Clickbuzz> Here is my terminal output when i try to compile
[18:30] <Clickbuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907173/
[18:30] <bicky> clickbuzz...this is the link ..http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1345495
[18:30] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: so you've got an idea how to do it?
[18:31] <TJ-> Spartacus_: I'm not sure... you could install "xubuntu-desktop" package, for comparision. Also, check out this: ftp://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/340.24/README/dpi.html
[18:32] <Spartacus_> TJ - xubuntu-desktop package? I guess that will replace g3?
[18:32] <TJ-> Spartacus_: no, installs alongside. They are them both selectable as sessions at the greeter via the gear icon next to the user name
[18:32] <Alopex> SchrodingersScat: forget it , i'll just do a fresh install
[18:32] <Spartacus_> Oh, cool
[18:32] <Spartacus_> Dowlnoading now
[18:33] <mercury00> clickbuzz : oooohh.. hmm, maybe that file really isn't found - what do you get with 'file  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crti.o' - does it return a file description, or is it not found?
[18:33] <TJ-> Spartacus_: According to that Nvidia DPI page, what does this report for you? "xdpyinfo | grep -B1 dot | tee >(pastebinit)"
[18:34] <sigismund> would someone help me in private window please?
[18:34] <SchrodingersScat> !pm | sigismund
[18:34] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 "/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crti.o: ELF 64-bit LSB  relocatable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped"
[18:34] <mercury00> good, good, actually it looks like the ld conf file must be malformed:
[18:35] <Spartacus_> TJ - 46x46, but I find that irrelevant as I can change it to 75x75, and it'll show that, but nothing changes visually
[18:35] <sigismund> please?!
[18:35] <mercury00> it's looking for a file called -lgcc and -lc
[18:36] <mercury00> clickbuzz: make sure the file in /etc/ld.so.conf.d/.... doesn't have any wierd entries, it looks like theres some bad data inthere somewhere
[18:36] <freeone3000> When I get a popup saying a "System program has crashed", how should I go about debugging this? Is there a common log directory, or should I just check X logs to see what happened?
[18:36] <TJ-> Spartacus_: OK, I guess the 46 is the value you set earlier though... I was interested in what it was before we did that, since that would be the value the desktop environment is scaling to
[18:37] <Spartacus_> TJ - yeah, I was messing with it so I'm not sure what it was before. But holy crap, switched to the Xubuntu desktop and it looks great
[18:37] <MonkeyDust> sigismund  ask your question here, in one line and wait until someone can help -- repeat your question every 10-15 minutes
[18:37] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907239/
[18:37] <TJ-> Spartacus_: well, that confirms it is the desktop environment scaling incorrectly
[18:37] <vlt> Hello. I'm using Ubuntu 12.04 LTS and LibreOffice. What's the keyboard shortcut for "find next"?
[18:37] <Clickbuzz> This is a fresh 64-bit ubuntu installed on VirtualBox with lubuntu frontend
[18:37] <Spartacus_> TJ - imgur.com/8J7yPta
[18:38] <subz3r0> Usuially F3
[18:38] <Spartacus_> TJ - Yup. gdm can officially suck it.
[18:38] <TJ-> Spartacus_: glad we got that figured out :)
[18:38] <Spartacus_> TJ - though I'm gonna miss the pretty transitions for like alt + tab and such
[18:39] <Spartacus_> TJ - Couldn't have done it without you. Huge thanks ;)
[18:39] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Try KDE maybe? "kubuntu-desktop" ? after all, you can never have too many desktops :p
[18:39] <Spartacus_> TJ - Sure, why not. I'll do it now.
[18:39] <Nightling> hey guys, im running 14.04 with the latest 3.13 kernel on an Asus U36SD laptop, Atheros9 wifi card, it was working relly nice, then out of the blue both wifi and LAN interfaces stopped working
[18:39] <Nightling> i get these: http://pastebin.com/pCzpvCVV
[18:40] <Spartacus_> TJ - As a user of KDE, what do you prefer about it?
[18:40] <mercury00> clickbuzz: ok good to know, my 14.04 indeed already has a x86_64-linux-gnu entry in ld.so.conf.d ,
[18:41] <mercury00> clickbuzz: however, mine doesnt have the "empty line" thing, I'm not sure what that is
[18:41] <Clickbuzz> all of them have a carriage return at the end
[18:41] <Clickbuzz> i typed that in myself on the paste
[18:42] <mercury00> clickbuzz: aha, I get it
[18:42] <jmadero> hi all - my boot time is really quite miserable (1:20), I have bootchart installed and can see what's eating me alive, is there somewhere that I can paste my image from bootchart and hopefully get my boot time down
[18:42] <TJ-> Spartacus_: Not sure. I switched to it from Unity when Unity couldn't handle all the GPUs and monitors correctly
[18:42] <mercury00> clickbuzz: perhaps a ldconfig -v would be more useful, though it's truly verbose,
[18:43] <mercury00> clickbuzz: lots of output
[18:43] <Spartacus_> TJ - oh, lol. Should I be restarting the computer when this finishes, or is it enough to just log out/kill lightdm and switch?
[18:45] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907304/
[18:45] <Spartacus_> TJ - Jesus Christ, everything is like microscopic
[18:46] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: did you add the 32-bit foreign architecture with "dpkg --add-architecture i386" ?
[18:46] <TJ-> Spartacus_: log-out is sufficient
[18:46] <Clickbuzz> TJ nope. I didnt know how to do that lol
[18:46] <Clickbuzz> ill try it now
[18:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - The text scaled itself down to like 1 pt font
[18:47] <mercury00> clickbuzz: sorry. that's likely it
[18:47] <Spartacus_> TJ - In KDE
[18:47] <mercury00> clickbuzz: ld is a red herring here
[18:47] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: for multi-arch that is required in order for the package manager to install foreign architecture packages (in this case the native architecture is amd64 a.k.a. x86_64 but you want i836 a.k.a. x86)
[18:47] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 I typed it in...and nothing happened
[18:48] <TJ-> Spartacus_: :D
[18:48] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I think that's expected,
[18:48] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I don't think anything appears to happen, it just sets a dpkg setting
[18:48] <Clickbuzz> anything I need to to now? I retried the compile and got same output
[18:48] <Nightling> never my my network issues guys, access point crapped itself
[18:48] <mercury00> clickbuzz: as multiarch-support is already installed,
[18:49] <vlt> subz3r0: Not in LibreOffice.
[18:49] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 gcc -m32 -o filename objectFiles.o   is the command im using
[18:49] <vlt> vlt: It’s ctrl+g
[18:50] <mercury00> clickbuzz, is the error about the same ld issue with can't find ctr1.o ?
[18:50] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 yes
[18:50] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: you'll need to use "sudo ..." for the command I showed you, then update the package archive with "sudo apt-get update" then  "sudo apt-get install multiarch-support" , then you can install the 32-bit versions of the libraries your package requires
[18:50] <Clickbuzz> I used sudo
[18:50] <bhalash> c
[18:50] <Clickbuzz> ooo
[18:50] <Clickbuzz> i need to update
[18:51] <mercury00> clickbuzz: maybe even apt-get install --reinstall multiarch-suport
[18:51] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I can't figure out what package ctr1.o is part of, do you happen to know?
[18:52] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 no idea. i just migrated from windows 8 mingw to gcc on ubuntu
[18:52] <mercury00> clickbuzz: maybe it's a gcc standard library, hmm
[18:53] <Clickbuzz> updated, installed. same output. going to reinstall
[18:53] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: and you'll need to know the packages that contain the libraries you want and install them with the ":i386" suffix, as in e.g. "sudo apt-get install libxml2:i386"
[18:53] <bathman_> anyone know how to remove older backups in the duplicity backup program? example from help page doesn't work... (ub. 12.04)
[18:53] <mercury00> crt1.o is a gcc package, as in the stuff you get when installing build-essentials,
[18:54] <mahack> hay algun español?
[18:54] <mercury00> clickbuzz: which in order to even have gcc, I'm assuming you've apt-get install build-essential already
[18:54] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: mercury00: so "sudo apt-get install libgcc1:i386" ?
[18:55] <mercury00> TJ: ah, that might be so
[18:55] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: mercury00: correction! so "sudo apt-get install libc6:i386" ?!
[18:55] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: mercury00 libgcc is the compiler itself, not the standard C library :p
[18:56] <bathman_> mahack : probar #ubuntu-es
[18:56] <TJ-> mercury00: what was the other library required? I've lost the line where you wrote the -lx -lxxx fro ldconfig
[18:57] <TJ-> mercury00: haha! actually, "libgcc:i386" and "libc:i386" are the ones you were referring to :)
[18:57] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: so, to finalise that, you'd need to do "sudo apt-get install libc:i386 libgcc1:i386"
[18:58] <mercury00> TJ: I'm also told that maybe it's part of glibc too?
[18:59] <Clickbuzz> TJ E: Unable to locate package libc
[19:04] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 ok havent dont apt-get install build-essential yet
[19:05] <Clickbuzz> Once it actually works ill restore to an older snapshot and try to fix again
[19:06] <mercury00> clickbuzz: maybe try that... it's not really sane that the runtime libraries are missing or that ld is giving that error, it's like some config info is missing
[19:06] <mercury00> clickbuzz: forgot to ask, do you have a /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crt1.o file?
[19:07] <mercury00> clickbuzz: you said there was a crti.o , but didn't say the other was existent
[19:07] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 yep
[19:08] <Clickbuzz> libc6:i386 is already the newest version.
[19:08] <Clickbuzz> libc6:i386 set to manually installed.
[19:08] <Clickbuzz> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 10 not upgraded.
[19:09] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I have it too, do you get output with 'ld /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/crt1.o' , and if so,
[19:10] <Clickbuzz> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7907487/
[19:10] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I feel like either the ld error is a red herring and there's something else malformed about the gcc command
[19:10] <mercury00> clickbuzz: that looks fine. This is what I'd do:
[19:11] <mercury00> clickbuzz: use gcc to make a hello world program. more or less, if it works, likely something in your code upstream of the error is doing something incompatible.
[19:12] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 easy enough. the c file im using is just an entry point for assembly
[19:12] <turingtest> Need help. Laptop won't boot ubuntu from CD or usb
[19:15] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 gcc -o lol driver.c spits out a good file. gcc -m32 -o lol driver.c gives the same set of erros
[19:15] <mercury00> clickbuzz: aha
[19:20] <mercury00> clickbuzz: is driver.c something written in cygwin, or a hello world program?
[19:21] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 driver.c is a file i wrote with SciTE and the only contents is an int main(){}
[19:22] <mercury00> clickbuzz: stackoverflow says you may need to also install gcc-multilib... let me check that,
[19:22] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 yeah this issue was all over SO. Its why i decided to pop in here
[19:22] <mercury00> clickbuzz: aha
[19:22] <OERIAS> ? join #debian
[19:23] <DJones> OERIAS: its /join #debian
[19:23] <icewalker> hi, i am using xubuntu-desktop on 14.04,  dpkg -l show some unity* files.  does xubuntu-desktop required these files or can i remove them?
[19:24] <OERIAS> DJones, Yeah I was thinking faster than I can type. Sorry
[19:25] <DJones> OERIAS: No worries, the number of people that try that is amazing
[19:26] <mercury00> clickbuzz: ok, well I'm grasping at straws now, sorry. what about the same driver.c with -m32, but -nostartfiles , like:
[19:26] <OERIAS> DJones, Changing the subject, Ubuntu port to Raspberry Pi is now in full swing.
[19:27] <DJones> OERIAS: Have you got a link to that project?
[19:30] <OERIAS> DJones, No, the folks at Debian are talking about it,
[19:30] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 getting gcc-4.4-multilib
[19:31] <mercury00> clickbuzz: nevermind that nostart thing... it's odd because my install compiles -m32 fine, which tells me either 1) I have libraries you don't - maybe the multilib or glibc or libstgc or something,
[19:32] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 its a good chance im missing libraries. I just installed from the latest ubuntu iso and started trying to use gcc
[19:32] <mercury00> clickbuzz: or your system config has changed somehow from the more or less default install, my ssystem is about a week old
[19:32] <DJones> OERIAS: Only reason I asked is that there already a project for that fund by kickstarter https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-raspberry-pi-build-cluster-for-ubuntu
[19:33] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 well i dont know what the virtualbox-essentials install changes. but I know it lets me roll full screen. maybe it did something
[19:33] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: back now... do have the source you're trying to build available to download?
[19:33] <pbx> how do i install moonlight?
[19:33] <mercury00> clickbuzz: let me think of what I've installed: as far as I know just the multiarch-support along with that dpkg command, and probably the multilibs
[19:33] <mercury00> clickbuzz: I'm pretty sure virtualbox just installs some drivers and a bit of software to listen to host commands,
[19:33] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 multilib fixed it. gonna swap to an older snap shot and try just installing that
[19:34] <OERIAS> DJones, Chances are that it will be based on Raspbian.
[19:34] <Clickbuzz> ill pop back in when its done
[19:34] <mercury00> clickbuzz: super,
[19:34] <mercury00> clickbuzz: had to be one of those, just wasn't sure which one
[19:34] <DJones> OERIAS: No, that one is running about 10-15 pi's to compile the binarioes
[19:34] <mercury00> later folks,
[19:35] <DJones> OERIAS: From memory, they've already got the hardware for the project
[19:35] <RalfJ> how do I start apache2 on the command line? I am debugging an issue that occured after upgrading to 14.04, and the apache folks ask me to run "strace apache2 -X", but that doesnt work, apache needs some env vars. I cant figure out where to get them from.
[19:36] <pbx> RalfJ, typically start apache with apachectl...
[19:36] <mercury00> ralfJ: other than service apache2 start, you can use apachectl,
[19:36] <OERIAS> DJones, I am donating €500.
[19:36] <mercury00> ralfj: probably in /usr/sbin/
[19:37] <RalfJ> mercury00: aoachectl manpage talks bout two modes. it doesnt tell me how to select them.
[19:37] <RalfJ> pass-trough mode sounds like what I want.
[19:38] <DJones> OERIAS: Ive just messaged one of the people behind the kickstarter project with your comments, maybe its something the two groups could collabarate on
[19:38] <RalfJ> hm, just calling "apache2ctl -X" seems to work. thats not clear from the manpage though.
[19:38] <OERIAS> Well they have a common codebase/
[19:43] <jonascj> Hi all. I am unable to install packages using apt-get install. I am told that the package cannot be authenticated. Here is an example: http://paste.linuxassist.net/view/a05e9944
[19:44] <jonascj> and I shouldn't think "traceroute" was in a supper special / custom repo which needed manual downloading of keys etc. to authenticate
[19:45] <TJ-> !eol | jonascj
[19:45] <TJ-> jonascj: You're using Quantal... which is EOL ... which means the archives are no longer there, which is reported in the HTTP "4040 Not Found" error
[19:46] <jonascj> TJ-: w00t - 12.04 is already EOL :(
[19:46] <TJ-> jon-work: 12.04 is an LTS and still supported.
[19:46] <TJ-> oops¬
[19:46] <jonascj> I thought it was 2015 or something, maybe that is for the server edition
[19:46] <TJ-> jonascj: : 12.04 is an LTS and still supported.
[19:46] <jonascj> then I should still be supported :)
[19:47] <jonascj> g*d damnit, I have 12.10 on my laptop. how could I be so stupid
[19:47] <TJ-> jonascj: Why? that message shows it is using 12.10 (Quantal)
[19:47] <jonascj> sorry guys
[19:47] <TJ-> !eolupgrade | jonascj
[19:48] <jonascj> TJ-: yeah I saw that message - I am just not sure I want to upgrade release right now. I expect all kinds of problems from that :)
[19:48] <{xmb}> h
[19:48] <jonascj> So that really means I cannot install any software in 12.10 from now on?
[19:48] <jonascj> using the official repos
[19:50] <edgardo> hola gente soy nuevo aqui y quisiera saber como se maneja esto
[19:50] <TJ-> !ar | edgardo
[19:51] <rww> jonascj: Correct. Ubuntu only puts supported release repositories on the mirror network to save our mirror sponsors space.
[19:51] <rww> jonascj: 12.10 is not receiving security updates at all any more, so you really should upgrade.
[19:51] <Clickbuzz> mercury00 sudo apt-get install gcc-4.4-multilib fixed my -m32 issue.
[19:51] <rww> jonascj: in the meantime, the EOLUpgrades wikipage mentions an old-releases repository you can use if you choose.
[19:51] <akurilin> hey guys: what's the currently best working solution to be able to sync against Google Drive on Ubuntu?
[19:51] <flyshark> hi to everyone
[19:52] <akurilin> Someone was recommending gdrive earlier, but supposedly it's fairly rudimentary
[19:52] <jonascj> rww: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/releases/ does not contain 12.10. Maybe I can use 12.04
[19:52] <akurilin> any recommendations?
[19:52] <TJ-> Clickbuzz: glad to hear it :)
[19:53] <TJ-> jonascj: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/quantal/
[19:54] <rww> jonascj: that's the releases subdirectory, not the package repositories
[19:54] <eGGshke> Hello ubuntuman's
[19:54] <TJ-> jonascj: You can simply edit your sources.list to use it: "sudo sed -i s,dk\.archive,old-releases,' /etc/apt/sources.list"
[19:55] <jonascj> TJ-: thanks, I'll edit the sources.list
[19:55] <buriedalive> u have a browser akurilin?
[19:55] <sleipnir> How can I start a program in a detached screen session?
[19:55] <sleipnir> screen -dmS ScreenName program does not work
[19:56] <sleipnir> but my google foo idicates that this should work, what am I doing wrong?
[19:56] <pbx> sleipnir, say more about "does not work" -- if you get errors, pastebin a terminal transcript
[19:56] <pbx> sleipnir, also -- have you successfully used screen before?  if yes, what are you trying to do that's new to you?
[19:59] <sleipnir> pbx, no errors, except if I do screen -list nothing is listed
[20:01] <sleipnir> pbx, I can create screen, but I am new to the program
[20:01] <sleipnir> pbx, I want to start a program in rc.local in its own screen
[20:02] <RalfJ> after upgrading apache2 to 2.4 during the upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04, my PHP FCGI does not work anymore. I just get an error 403. nothing about this is logged. did anybody else have the problem? (I am in #httpd debugging this, but maybe other ubuntu users have the same problem)
[20:02] <pbx> sleipnir, all my use of screen is interactive, i don't think i'm much use on this question, sorry
[20:03] <flyshark> Ciao!
[20:03] <buriedalive> RalfJ: I think resettings/reinstall
[20:05] <RalfJ> buriedalive: I wont reconfigure 10 subdomains. plus, most of the stuff work. just PHP-FCGI does not.
[20:05] <jonascj> RalfJ: have you checked all permissions on files, the user:group running apache, the apache worker, apache config files etc. I could imagine all of those going south with an upgrade
[20:05] <RalfJ> IÄd end up with the same config of the same domains anyway, so I dont see the point^^
[20:05] <RalfJ> jonascj: what should I check for?
[20:06] <buriedalive> RalfJ: if worked, why upgrade?
[20:06] <pbx> yeah, wrong permissions on a cgi file was my first thought with the 403 too
[20:06] <jonascj> RalfJ: It has been some time since I last messed with CGI of any kind, apache workers etc. But the CGI files needs to be servable by apache. So is apache still running as the user you expect, is the php.ini unchanged after the upgrade etc.
[20:07] <RalfJ> buriedalive: 12.04 is old as hell, I had to pull in dozens of packages from debian testing to get packags that are not horribly outdated
[20:07] <RalfJ> jonascj: its not CGI. its fcgi.
[20:07] <RalfJ> php.ini? how could that be relevant? its a long file which I have no clue about^^
[20:07] <jonascj> RalfJ: I suppose those two things are quite similar - both needing the right permissions on files etc.
[20:07] <RalfJ> fcgi doesnt require +x, for example. so I am not sure.
[20:08] <TJ-> sleipnir: It works here for me at least, "screen -S ScreenName -d -m vim /tmp/a.txt" then "screen -ls" shows the detached session, as does "ps -efly | grep SCREEN"
[20:09] <jonascj> RalfJ: I am not expert on cgi or fcgi but someone is executing those scripts/binaries and they need permissions to execute them, or if it is interpreted maybe they only need read permissions. So I was just thinking out loud :)
[20:10] <jonascj> RalfJ: regarding php.ini - who knows which settings related to fcgi is in there. Could be the user:group of whatever executes the cgi scripts/binaries :)
[20:10] <EleanorEllis> Sometimes my keyboard gets really slow and laggy and can't keep up with my typing. It misses out some of the keys I press or sometimes repeats one character 5 or 6 times. I don't know where to start as googling has found a dozen different directions including the laptop battery being dead. But it's no consistent. Some days it's fine and other days there is a problem. Any ideas please?
[20:10] <jonascj> or in apache's config files, if it is mod_fcgi
[20:11] <sleipnir> TJ-, let me try again, it is possible that I didn't see the screens because sudo started them
[20:11] <RalfJ> well, the binary I told fcgi to use is executable and I think its also in what apache allows users to access. not sure about uids/gids.
[20:11] <Fosseror> Hello i kinda need help
[20:11] <buriedalive> RalfJ: try  - sudo apt-get install --reinstall packages
[20:11] <Fosseror> anyone who can help me?
[20:11] <RalfJ> buriedalive: what will that do?
[20:11] <jonascj> RalfJ: apache have on debian like distros have quite a number of config files besides the vhost config files. Maybe some of those changed with the upgrade.
[20:12] <RalfJ> apache is generally working, for static files and (non-f) CGI
[20:12] <jonascj> RalfJ: good luck - I'm about to get off my train..
[20:12] <Fosseror> hello?
[20:12] <akurilin> buriedalive: what do you mean?
[20:13] <Fosseror> Yo Alright so i placed ubuntu on my usb
[20:13] <Fosseror> i mounted the iso and stuff
[20:13] <Fosseror> i inserted it into the pc
[20:13] <Fosseror> and booted into it
[20:13] <RalfJ> kk, jonascj thanks
[20:13] <Fosseror> i get the screen saying install and stuff
[20:13] <Fosseror> i clicked on "Install Ubuntu"
[20:13] <Fosseror> i get a black screen and i hear a sound
[20:13] <Fosseror> what is wrong?
[20:15] <waltz> hey all, i'm curious about upstart
[20:15] <waltz> when did it start getting used? does 14.04 use it?
[20:15] <waltz> ^^^ server
[20:16] <Fosseror> anyone know what's wrong
[20:16] <rww> waltz: 2006. Yes.
[20:17] <rww> waltz: Ubuntu will be switching to systemd instead by 2016 or so, though.
[20:17] <waltz> rww: thanks, both are good to know
[20:19] <BLOW78> CIAO
[20:19] <BLOW78> !LIST
[20:28] <EleanorEllis> About my slow keyboard, should I just reboot and hope for the best? Like Windows users are told to do for any problem?
[20:30] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, I would check if your computer is swapping, it can make things very slow on a spinning HD.
[20:30] <alfonsojon> EleanorEllis: Go for it, but check for swap
[20:30] <alfonsojon> Beldar beat me to it xD
[20:30] <pbx> i concur
[20:30] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Ho do I check for swapping?
[20:30] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, You can change the swappiness which is when the swap starts.
[20:31] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: There you ee it misses letters from what I am typing
[20:31] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, I have a conky that shows me.
[20:32] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, must be other ways but a conky is live without any input is all
[20:33] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: alfonsojon: According to System Monitor, memory usage is running at 2.6GiB (33.2%) of  7.7GiB. Swap is 0 bytes of 9.3GiB
[20:33] <alfonsojon> EleanorEllis: Sounds perfectly normal.
[20:33] <alfonsojon> Check the status of your HDD
[20:33] <alfonsojon> Open "Disks"
[20:33] <alfonsojon> Select your current hard drive
[20:33] <ChaseTrains> when exactly do the power saving thing for disks kick in? Is it when not a single byte has been read/written do disk.. or can 1byte read or write reset the "sleep countdown timer"?
[20:33] <alfonsojon> Then click "SMART Data"
[20:34] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, this may help. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq  that is at this moment, and this is just a guess, in general knocking out variables and outliers is needed.
[20:34] <alfonsojon> Beldar: His PC isn't swapping
[20:34] <Beldar> right now no
[20:34] <alfonsojon> ah
[20:34] <hsnopi> so I'm running ubuntu 10.04 with Monit and I got "Description: process PID changed from 961 to 2901". Other than a restart of that service is there a reason the PID woudl change?
[20:35] <EleanorEllis> alfonsojon: Beldar:My four CPUs are running at between 9% and 27%, on demand at 800MHz an thy go up to 2.2GHz when there is a demand.
[20:35] <Beldar> !10.04 | hsnopi
[20:36] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Are you understanding we have to some what guess to take care of variables and outliers?
[20:36] <hsnopi> I know, we' are in the process of upgrading the servers now. We inherited the contract. I'm just curuous as I need to keep it running for about another month
[20:36] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Of course. But I don't hae the fogiest idea where to start guessing
[20:36] <Beldar> hsnopi, Cool, just info.
[20:37] <alfonsojon> hsnopi: that might be caused by the process being killed then restarting because it is a service
[20:37] <hsnopi> thanks:) I knew it was out of date. THey wanted to leave it but I convinced them to upgrade.
[20:37] <hsnopi> alfonsojon: ok, so not necessarily indicative of evildoers.
[20:37] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, That is alright I have given you one others may have others, my suggestion though is changing the swapppines to a lower set to start with and have a live indicator of the swaps use.
[20:37] <alfonsojon> yep
[20:37] <hsnopi> and thanks:)
[20:38] <alfonsojon> If it helps
[20:38] <alfonsojon> I have Ubuntu Server 14.04 and it runs like a dream
[20:38] <alfonsojon> :)
[20:38] <hsnopi> alfonsojon++
[20:38] <alfonsojon> Are you running something in a screen session hsnopi?
[20:38] <hsnopi> nice. We want everyone to be the same. I got them to go to 12.04. They weren't ready for 14 yet
[20:38]  * alfonsojon is confused by that logic but will accept it anyways
[20:39]  * hsnopi had no choice either. They sign the paycheck.
[20:39] <alfonsojon> ah
[20:39] <alfonsojon> in the end, the money is the boss
[20:39] <alfonsojon> lol
[20:39] <alfonsojon> I wi6s hI had a job doing what I do
[20:39] <alfonsojon> wish*
[20:39] <alfonsojon> I host a Minecraft server & website at home for basically free, making nearly zero profit
[20:40] <alfonsojon> The little money I do get is from the random donation of $10 or so.
[20:40] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: alfonsojon: Also, occassionally the machine locks up altogether for several seconds when I have several web pages open at once in Google Chrome and sometimes audio playback stutters. I don't know it that has anything to do with it. I had completely given up and moved to Ubuntu Studio for the realtime codec but that distro has died now on my computer so I am back to booting regular Ubuntu. Also UbuntuStudio in general and XFCE in
[20:40] <alfonsojon> It's not really a small Minecraft server either, it's a 24/7 service
[20:40] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: alfonsojon: I don't know if that migh have anything to do ith it?
[20:40] <alfonsojon> EleanorEllis: That sounds like either your CPU is getting flooded or you are being overswapped
[20:41] <MagicSpud> hello I find that the clear recent documents option has disappeared from the tab...why and how do I get it back? ubuntu 12.04 here
[20:41] <alfonsojon> hsnopi: on the bright side, I'm in control of my own server xD
[20:41] <hsnopi> always a plus! I inherited 10 servers in various flavors including Turnkey
[20:42] <alfonsojon> Huh.
[20:42] <alfonsojon> I tried CentOS, wasn't my slice of pie
[20:42] <hsnopi> I liked it but admittedly there are people who are a lot more versed on distros than I am.
[20:43] <OERIAS> CentOS is better than Ubuntu.
[20:43] <alfonsojon> Some form of a Red Hat Linux ran nicely on my Power Mac G4
[20:43] <alfonsojon> Not sure which one, but it ran very nicely.
[20:43] <hsnopi> we are doing all this in AWS.
[20:43] <Guest27523> Hello
[20:43] <alfonsojon> Hello
[20:43] <MonkeyDust> alfonsojon  restrict yourself to ubuntu support, please
[20:43] <ChaseTrains> what does it mean to "chown all (whatever the command is)" for a parent directory? Are subdirectories unaffected?
[20:43] <hsnopi> my fault.
[20:43] <alfonsojon> MonkeyDust: Sorry
[20:43] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, What you describe is certainly symptoms of swapping particularly with a spinning HD, a SSD if swapping is hardly noticeable. And having a swap on a SSD is an argument amongst users. However there is empirical data showing that lifetimes and spinning and SSD HD are equal in a mean form now.
[20:43] <OERIAS> alfonsojon, It was probably fedora.
[20:43] <Guest27523> Yo i need help
[20:44] <alfonsojon> Guest27523: With?
[20:44] <alfonsojon> !ask | Guest27523
[20:44] <Guest27523> Yo Alright so i placed ubuntu on my usb i mounted the iso and stuff i inserted it into the pc
[20:44] <Guest27523> and booted into it i get the screen saying install and stuff i clicked on "Install Ubuntu" i get a black screen and i hear a sound
[20:44] <Guest27523> what is wrong?
[20:44] <alfonsojon> Guest27523: What version of Ubuntu are you trying?
[20:44] <Guest27523> desktop
[20:44] <Beldar> !nomodeset | Guest27523:
[20:44] <alfonsojon> I mean release version
[20:45] <Guest27523> 14.04.1
[20:45] <alfonsojon> Alright
[20:45] <alfonsojon> Well, once again, Beldar beat me to it
[20:45] <Beldar> hehe
[20:45] <alfonsojon> take a look at that
[20:45] <Guest27523> O
[20:45] <Guest27523> okay thanks i'll try that
[20:45] <kenlik> i'm using Ubuntu 14.04 (current supported) and i need some help to enable Java plugin with Google Chrome. How do i configure/install it?
[20:46] <Beldar> Guest27523, I would use nomodeset and boot to the desktop (try ubuntu) before installing.
[20:46] <alfonsojon> kenlik: You need to install icedtea specific to your openjdk version
[20:46] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: I have a spinning hard disk, probably not a great one or particularly fast: it is whatever came with the laptop. I am just reading the swapfaq at the moment as I don't know here to go next. When he keyboard mises characters however, like now, the swap is staying at 0 bytes. And te audio just skipped while I was looking at the swap and the swap was still 0 bytes. I am seeing occasiona CPU rises to jst above 50%
[20:46] <qjqqyy> fahd
[20:46] <Guest27523> ?
[20:46] <alfonsojon> kenlik: Are you using OpenJDK6 or OpenJDK7?
[20:47] <alfonsojon> Well, do you have Java installed?
[20:47] <qjqqyy> oh wait so is there a way to boot nomodeset in the live cd is what Guest27523 is asking
[20:47] <kenlik> alfonsojon, OpenJDK7 (openjdk-7-jre:amd64)
[20:47] <qjqqyy> he has been whining to me for 5 hours
[20:47] <Guest27523> ^
[20:47] <alfonsojon> kenlik: sudo apt-get install icedtea-7-plugin
[20:47] <MagicSpud>  hello I find that the clear recent documents option has disappeared from the tab...why and how do I get it back? ubuntu 12.04 here
[20:47] <alfonsojon> in a terminal
[20:47] <EleanorEllis> alfonsojon: Beldar: I never had thse problems before Ubuntu 12.04 and they are continuing on Ubuntu 14.04
[20:48] <alfonsojon> EleanorEllis: Did you do a clean install of 14.04 or upgrade?
[20:48] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, The swappiness guess is about my limitation of understanding in general. I suspect a search on askubuntu using you exact computer and individual hardware info would be a good idea along with any release you are running, the web as well in general and telling the channel the hardware info in your inquires for help.
[20:48] <Guest27523> is there a way to boot nomodeset in the live cd?
[20:48] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: alfonsojon: In desperation, I hve even considered reinstalling Ubuntu 14.04 on a fresh partition and then insalling one application at a time, but I don't hve the two weeks this would take.
[20:49] <MagicSpud> I know on 25th ubuntu 14.0.4.1 was released...but I still cant see the automatic upgrade option how long will this take?
[20:49] <Beldar> Guest27523, Yes the link tells you how.
[20:49] <EleanorEllis> alfonsojon: It's a clean install of 14.04, however I have a shared home partition that I simply attach to whatever distro I boot.
[20:50] <Guest27523> is there a way to boot nomodeset in the live cd?
[20:50] <qjqqyy> Beldar: excuse him for a sec he's like 14yo irl
[20:50] <qjqqyy> be nice and post the link again pls
[20:50] <qjqqyy> nvm, scrolled up
[20:50] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  /home contains config files, that may differ per distro or release, sounds conflicting to me
[20:51] <Beldar> MagicSpud, I would set the software and updates 3rd tab bottom dropdown to all updates or lts and use the update gui
[20:51] <kenlik> alfonsojon, icedtea-7-plugin installed but https://www.java.com/en/download/installed.jsp returns "This plug-in is not supported"
[20:52] <kenlik> alfonsojon, google chrome version 36.0.1985.125
[20:52] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: I have been using a shared home partition for years, since 8.04, but I have only had this particular machine for about 3 years. I may well have copied the home partition from my previous computer via a USB hard drive.
[20:53] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: Are you going to suggest doing another clean intall of 14.04 without the shared partition and copying my files across?
[20:54] <Beldar> qjqqyy, Sounds like you are set, be very clear I have been helping several people is all.
[20:54] <qjqqyy> yes I'll manage that guy for the moment np man
[20:55] <Beldar> qjqqyy, Cool, we all in general want to see success here. ;)
[20:56] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  what was your initial question?
[20:56] <qjqqyy> ok basically i referred him here so i'd apologise
[20:56] <qjqqyy> have fun being helpful
[20:56] <qjqqyy> w/e
[20:58] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: Some days my keyboard cant keep up wit my typing (like today), but I often get the whole machine locking up for several seconds when I have several tabs open in Gogle chrome and I often get audio stuttering
[21:00] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  so your hardware can't keep up with what you're running or doing
[21:02] <user123321> Help, a partition manager reports that my LUbuntu partition is Logical. Am I supposed to make it Primary? I'm unable to boot into LUbuntu atm.
[21:02] <daftykins> EleanorEllis: what spec is this machine?
[21:03] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: That seems right. However, CPU at the moment is mostly between 9% and 36% with occasional spikes up to about 50 to 60, memory usage is 2.7GiB ou o 7.7GiB and swap is 0 bytes.
[21:03] <Beldar> user123321, logical is fine, can you give more info on unable to boot?
[21:03] <kenlik> alfonsojon, do you have any idea to solve java plugin problem?
[21:04] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  "mostly", except on the moments when it stutters
[21:04] <user123321> Beldar, I had grub where I could boot into LUbuntu and Windows, after some mess, I rebuilt the MBR using a bootable partition manager. Now, it boots only Windows. I can still see LUbuntu partition.
[21:04] <Beldar> user123321, It helps us to know context, as in new or older install and issue leading to this of any kind.
[21:05] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: did you take multiple cores into account?
[21:05] <Beldar> user123321, This a uefi situation?
[21:05] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: in the cpu usage display
[21:05] <EleanorEllis> daftykins: Acer Aspire 5749 wih Intel Core i3-2330M quad core processor, running between 800MHz and 2.2GHz according to the CPU Frequency Scaling Monitor in my panel.
[21:05] <user123321> Beldar, sorry?
[21:05] <EleanorEllis> daftykins: Oh and 8GB of RAM
[21:05] <vestival> hello
[21:06] <Beldar> !bootinfo | user123321 run this from a live cd and post the script
[21:06] <user123321> Beldar, I tried using EasyBCD, and still doesn't seem to show LUbuntu entry after adding it. hmm.
[21:06] <daftykins> EleanorEllis: ah ok, not an old junkheap then. sharing a /home between OSs is a bad move though
[21:06] <jgcampbell> anyone know of a good chat room to find expert advice on web apps and design ?
[21:06] <user123321> Aha
[21:06] <vestival> any ubuntu employee connected?
[21:06] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: The audio stuttering does not happen at the same time as the CPU demand increases. Neither does the keyboard lag.
[21:06] <Beldar> vestival, No
[21:06] <vestival> ok thanks ;)
[21:07] <EleanorEllis> jgcampbell: Try #web
[21:07] <vestival> join #web
[21:07] <jgcampbell> EleanorEllis, thanks
[21:07] <user123321> Beldar, Ok, is there a universal code I could put in a terminal in a Live boot, so it will install grub and allows me to boot into LUbuntu and Windows?
[21:08] <awktion> <.<
[21:09] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: I am not sure about your question. How can I best answer it? Post a screenshot of my System Monitor or is there some log I could usefully post?
[21:09] <EleanorEllis> jgcampbell: If not #web, tey may be able to point you in the rigt direction
[21:09] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  and how disturbing are those stutterings?
[21:09] <Busserl> I meant that uptime for example shows 25% usage if a quad core has one of its cores maxed out for example.
[21:09] <Beldar> user123321, At this point since you are not aware of uefi this bootscript is my best way to diagnose your issue. This script takes out about 20 questions from me, and gets to the point without you asking questions you do not understand.
[21:10] <da_hnt_ntrl> why does my cursor get stuck in the apps bar when i move from one screen to another?
[21:10] <user123321> Beldar, Cool, thanks.
[21:11] <EleanorEllis> MonkeyDust: I run a dance class so when the music jumps it's not helpful. Plus whn I am watching a DVD or online video it is anoying when the audio repeats three times or runs out of sync with the video. And when the machine locks up altogether it's very very inconvenient. Plus the keyboard skipping makes it almost unusable
[21:11] <Beldar> user123321, Most likely a simple fix we can just get done, the script allows this to happen generally.
[21:11] <MonkeyDust> EleanorEllis  fair enough
[21:13] <waltz> i'm getting 'invalid job class' from upstart
[21:13] <waltz> any idea what that means?
[21:13] <waltz> i'm not finding much for docs :(
[21:14] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: Did you try as a new user, without any shared /home?
[21:14] <Martin204> any recommended partition schemes for me to install ubuntu?
[21:14] <Beldar> waltz, If a server you might also consider #ubuntu-server
[21:15] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: The home partition is mounted as /home, not /home/username so the home partition will therefore contain any new user I generate
[21:15] <waltz> Beldar: thanks, i'll ask there too
[21:15] <Martin204> i want to have all my OS stuff and command line tools on my SSD, and swap, and other stuff on my hdd
[21:15] <Beldar> Martin204, NOt without know what is there and your end golas.
[21:15] <Beldar> goals*
[21:15] <Busserl> Martin204: As a standard desktop, maybe just separate home, if you want to. Otherwise it really depends on what you are doing with it.
[21:15] <Martin204> developing, dual boot with windows
[21:16] <Beldar> Martin204, W8 uefi?
[21:16] <Martin204> i need python, gcc, java, etc, i can manage that
[21:16] <Martin204> i prefer uefi
[21:16] <Martin204> thing is.. it doesn’t detect that W8 is on there, it says ‘no OS found'
[21:16] <Martin204> the installer
[21:16] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I was unclear, well yes, I meant that you could just create a fresh user and try out if you'll get skipping there as well.
[21:16] <Beldar> Martin204, So you have uefi is the confirmation, how big is the SSD how many HD's and partitons now and where?
[21:17] <Beldar> !uefi  Martin204
[21:17] <Beldar> !uefi  | Martin204
[21:17] <Martin204> ssd is 120gb, 1 1tb hdd, and no partitions atm, aside from the windows recovery ones on the SSD
[21:17] <jonny3010> Anyone here used pulse audio loopback (Speaker->Recording Device)
[21:18] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: But that won't prove anything as /home will still be on the shared home partition. I have however changed username at the last distro install as I have changed my name since the previous distro
[21:18] <Beldar> Martin204, Cool, you want to have unallocated space fro ubuntu, you would do this with the windows disk manager if not already there and do a install via the uefi wiki info.
[21:18] <Busserl> Martin204: not sure about dual booting w8, but as a developer you might want to put a folder like temp or var into a separate partition. So in case some application runs amok, it wouldn't fill up your root partition and maybe halting the system.
[21:18] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: And didn't any traces of my old name like the name of my home directory
[21:18] <Martin204> okay that’s what I was going to do, however since i’m limited on space
[21:19] <Martin204> I wanted to make the partition on the SSD as small as possible
[21:19] <Martin204> and then have all my files and big installations on the HDD
[21:19] <Martin204> but .. rather have small tools on the SSD
[21:20] <Beldar> Martin204, Separate partitions for ubnutu is rather old school and not really needed, some suggest the swap on the spinning HD, for the smallest I would do one partition for ubuntu min is 5 gigs.
[21:21] <Busserl> Martin204: LVM is pretty flexible when it comes to resizing a partition. Also if you want to try BTRFS (your risk, I have been running my server for about a month with it), it can put disk quota on subvolumes as well. However, I haven't used them yet.
[21:21] <Martin204> swap on the HD is a good idea to avoid using a lot of writes, it’s a relatively new SSD though
[21:21] <Beldar> Busserl, Be careful here your advice is full of unasked for info and opinions.
[21:22] <Busserl> Martin204: separate partitions would be some form of security measure, just that. Otherwise I wasn't even using a separate /home usually, since I always had backups anyway.
[21:22] <dreamon> Is 14.04.1 upgradeable?
[21:22] <Beldar> dreamon, To?
[21:22] <dreamon> 12.04 to 14.04.1 :)
[21:22] <pbx> i don't use thunderbird. how do i get it out of the little envelope-icon menu?
[21:22] <Busserl> Beldar: I hope it is clear that I am stating my opinion :)
[21:22] <Martin204> also is there another more mac os like distro?
[21:23] <Beldar> dreamon, Yes, "Is 14.04.1 upgradeable?" is asking for a upgrade of 14.04.1
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> Martin204  pear os
[21:23] <Martin204> probably not the place to ask /“\
[21:23] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I was under the impression that you you had a local /home, which you reused. If it was a network share, then I'd guess that could be a reason for stuttering.
[21:24] <pbx> Martin204, many people like linux mint with cinnamon.  it's all just skinning though.
[21:24] <Beldar> Busserl, JUst make sure it is, is all, we have to recognize the meaning is different to each of us. ;)
[21:24] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: It is a local /home not a network share
[21:24] <Martin204> I like ubuntu tbh
[21:24] <Beldar> pbx, Not ubuntu support and offtopic.
[21:24] <dreamon> Beldar, sorry. english is not my main language.. waiting for upgrade from 12.04.4 to 14.04.1 ;)
[21:25] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: OK, what I meant was that a new user would have an empty /home, thus it wouldn't be "disturbed" by other distros, and you could troubleshoot.
[21:26] <daftykins> dreamon: run "do-release-upgrade -p"
[21:26] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: No a new user might have an empty /home/username but /home will still have everything else in it already from the other users and whatever gets stored for all users in the top level of /home
[21:27] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I hoped other user's stuff wouldn't interfere with the new user, no?
[21:27] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: Also I thought the top level /home/ was empty otherwise?
[21:28] <Busserl> I mean I never saw anything but subdirectories there, which were the user's home directories.
[21:28] <dreamon> daftykins, what do I get. 14.04.1?
[21:28] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: Oh yes you are right. I assumed there would be lots of hidden files there but you are right, just the users directories and lost+found
[21:29] <UncleSam> login
[21:29] <Beldar> dreamon, You get the latest in the repos you are are using, most likely 14.04.1
[21:29] <Martin204> So I’m thinking, 10GB on SSD for /root and 100GB on HDD for /home, 8GB swap on HDD
[21:30] <Radon_3> Hi evryone
[21:30] <Beldar> Martin204, Kinda small for root but can be enlarged if needed, sap only needs to be equal to ram.
[21:30] <Beldar> swap*
[21:30] <Radon_3> can anyone see me? or am I muted?
[21:30] <daftykins> dreamon: if you're set to LTS only, yes
[21:30] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: Good luck, if there is no correlation with cpu spikes, or I/O spikes maybe, I wouldn't know, and I would suspect a driver issue, and be just angry. Have you tried iotop, and I think there is nettop? Could be anything unfortunately. An i3 is no monster too, I got the low TDP version, no ubuntu there however.
[21:31] <dreamon> Beldar, I thought 14.04.1 isnt release because update process does not tells me that there a release update..
[21:31] <Beldar> Radon_3, if you seeit we do
[21:31] <Beldar> dreamon, 14.04.1 is only a relase type tag.
[21:32] <Beldar> as a the mobsters say "Don worry about it"
[21:32] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: OK I have created a new user so I will log out and back in as the new user and see if it continues. I think the only other distro I have used with my current username is Ubuntu Studio 14.04 which uses XFCE instead of Gnome Fallback
[21:32] <Busserl> Martin204: would you create huge databases? They are stored somewhere in /var/lib by default I think, certainly under /var. Then there is /www, /tmp. Ubuntu itself will fit easily in 8-10 gigs, unless you install a lot of packages.
[21:33] <Radon_3> Alright, I thought I was blocked. Guys first things first I have got to admit I owe a lot of things to Linux and ubuntu in general, like Ubuntu saved my little ass last night when it recovered my lost hard disk, but I still have got some doubts, Imean I am afraid if canonical wants to collectsome information out of machine and all
[21:33] <Martin204> don’t plan to Busserl, just installing the developer tools I need and working with relatively small files
[21:33] <dreamon> wiki tells me to do a release update to 14.04.1 if it is released. because its more stable and bugfixed
[21:33] <Beldar> Radon_3, NOt important get to the issue.
[21:33] <Martin204> just need enough space to keep updated and install those few tools
[21:33] <Radon_3> not that I am the president or I have something very important on my shitty machine
[21:33] <k1l_> dreamon: 14.04.1 is just a "servicepack" like its called on windows. if you run the updates you have 14.04.1 anyway
[21:33] <Radon_3> Beldar: what do you mean?
[21:34] <daftykins> Radon_3: you need to ask a support question, we don't care for your paranoia
[21:34] <Beldar> Radon_3, Your personal statements mean nothing this is support that is it. ;)
[21:34] <Busserl> Martin204: ok then, I'd keep /home smaller, and expand it later, when you need it. So in case you'd need another partition, there'd be room for one. Also 8gb swap sounds like a lot for you.
[21:35] <Radon_3> ok, but still it feels so good to be in ubuntu, it is like Iam  addicted to it
[21:35] <Martin204> I have 8gb ram
[21:35] <Martin204> okay
[21:35] <Radon_3> I am torn people
[21:35] <Martin204> well /home would be on the 1TB HDD
[21:35] <Radon_3> help me out here
[21:35] <Martin204> so I’m not sure about it tbh
[21:35] <Beldar> dreamon, All ubuntu releases are classified stable
[21:35] <daftykins> Radon_3: this is not the place for your random ramblings, join #ubuntu-offtopic if you want to chat
[21:35] <Radon_3> ok sorry
[21:35] <Radon_3> bye
[21:35] <Martin204> what goes into home exactly? command line tools go into /usr/ right? and applications?
[21:35] <x_root> hello, is possible to create a new mbr without formatting.. everything?
[21:36] <Beldar> x_root, yes
[21:36] <x_root> :D
[21:36] <user123321> Beldar, Oh damn, it seems I can't boot in Live atm. having some problems, no CD, and pendrive in exFat.
[21:36] <Radon_3> I amnna install it people
[21:36] <Busserl> Martin204: As far as I understand, if you weren't planning to use one software process, which would use up 8gb of ram, 8gb swap would be unused.
[21:36] <rww> x_root: what's your end goal?
[21:36] <Radon_3> see you all
[21:36] <Beldar> user123321, You need a live to fix this is all.
[21:36] <x_root> update ubuntu, i'll recreate mbr and don't want to lose a partition (files)
[21:36] <x_root> created when was dual boot (have some files as music, videos..)
[21:37] <x_root> but, if i can remeber well.. the old mbr have files from windows.. so..
[21:37] <Martin204> Busserl: Okay, I’ll probably leave a 2-4GB swap on the HDD, not too worried about it. I don’t want to put it on the SSD though
[21:37] <jgcampbell>  I have been looking for something i can install on a web server like osticket but have much more functionality ... cms, tickets, chat, billing, files, tools, rdp/vnc,  etc .. everything one of our company would need in one place ... could anyone suggest a solution or solutions that would get me started?
[21:38] <MonkeyDust> jgcampbell  better ask in #ubuntu-server, i guess
[21:38] <EleanorEllis> jgcampbell: Bugzilla?
[21:38] <user123321> I see
[21:38] <Busserl> Martin204: I think there is no 100% aggred upon way where programs are installed in linux. /home would be for files only the user would need. Also on the SSD wouldn't matter, unless you had an ancient SSD. With 8GB of ram, swap usage would barely reach 10MB maybe? It would only be used in case your actual RAM would be completely filled.
[21:39] <Martin204> Busserl: Yea I figured about the swap, that’s why I would put it on the HDD just in case. I have a samsung 840 evo
[21:39] <Beldar> user123321, AS I said most likely an easy fix we just need some basic info from using a live to present info and fix the issue.
[21:39] <jgcampbell> MonkeyDust, ok thanks
[21:40] <Beldar> user123321, Ask for help in booting a live if that is the issue.
[21:40] <Busserl> Swap is really a last resort, as far as I understand it could be used a lot like this: You have on process taking up 6GB of RAM, and you start another one taking up more than 2GB of ram, then linux would move the first process (6GB) to swap. In case swap was too small, the process would be killed.
[21:41] <Busserl> Martin204: otherwise my swap usage usually stayed under one MB.
[21:42] <Martin204> well, if I don’t specify a swap partition.. it will use the / partition if needed them? which would rarely happen
[21:43] <Busserl> Martin204: no, it would kill processes to free up ram instead. So a couple of hundred MBs swap would be a nice safety net. You'd have to know how much ram your apps would need as an absolute minimum to start.
[21:44] <Busserl> That's what I heard would happen anyway. :)
[21:44] <Martin204> I’ll leave a small swap then on the HDD, should be fine ;
[21:45] <Ladon> is defragging necessary with ext4?
[21:45] <k1l_> Ladon: no
[21:46] <Busserl> Martin204: :) ok, working on small files doesn't sound like you'd need a lot of swap.
[21:46] <Beldar> user123321, Any way from the next 15 min on the hour beyond I will be busy for an hour if you try and ping me.
[21:46] <Ladon> okay, awesome. my other query should probably be a reddit post or something but... I have 8 drives, they are all mounted at /mnt/ and people that connect to my network write to it. I constantly have to go in and chmod and chown the computer's user to manupulate the files... how do I set ACL to r/w/x everything in /mnt/* and be owned by ladon:ladon?
[21:47] <Martin204> I don’t know why W8 makes like 4 partitions when installing under UEFI
[21:47] <Martin204> ._.
[21:48] <Beldar> Martin204, It's gpt and you should know why, it is easy to understand, 4 partitions is a norm with msdos.
[21:48] <the_wisenerd> would someone know how to start testdisk deeper scan from a particular sector? It takes too long for an entire harddisk scan... I already know my partition table, sort of...
[21:48] <Beldar> even msdos*
[21:48] <jon-work> still no 12.04->14.04.1 LTS->LTS upgrade eh?
[21:49] <k1l_> jon-work: should work now
[21:49] <jon-work> sudo do-release-upgrade?
[21:49] <Busserl> Martin204: depending on the setup ubuntu might need a separate /boot partition as well.
[21:49] <Blue1> fresh install of xubuntu 14.04 (from netinstall) -- installed flashplugin-nonfree -- flash crashes -- any suggestions?
[21:49] <Tego> Right, nooby question here. I've configured a web server about a year ago and everything is working smoothly, but now I'm having to install the php5-curl package on the server ... sooo I just executed "sudo apt-get install php5-curl", but when I do I first get asked to install certain packages without verification (I enter Y) and then get a load of "404: Not found" and "Failed to fetch" errors and it stops. How do I fix this?
[21:49] <Beldar> jon-work, Virtually no difference between the two except for a release type tag.
[21:49] <k1l_> jon-work: did you run a "sudo apt-get update &&sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" first to make sure to have the latest updates?
[21:49] <user123321> Beldar, Thanks, since I have to make the pen drive ready to make it Live bootable, I'm trying to do something throush Windows atm, I'd do the Live CD if I couldn't get it resolved. Thanks.
[21:49] <jon-work> k1l_, do you think it should work because there was an annoucement about 14.04.1 being released?
[21:50] <jon-work> wait you told me explicitly not to run dist-upgrade, and to use do-release-upgrade
[21:50] <k1l_> jon-work: make sure the recent updates are on. there was a bug which got fixed
[21:50] <k1l_> jon-work: apt-get dist-upgrade will NOT bring you from 12.04 to 14.04. its just to make sure you got all updates for 12.04
[21:50] <Beldar> user123321, There is nothing you can do through windows except easybcd which as you said does not work. Don't chase a imaginary dragon. ;)
[21:51] <user123321> Beldar, :D
[21:51] <jon-work> k1l_, ok i ran those commands. still no upgrade
[21:51] <Tego> So here's the output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7908710/ ...
[21:52] <k1l_> jon-work: hmm, same for me. i thought it gotta work now
[21:52] <Beldar> Tego, quantal is end of life
[21:52] <Tego> Beldar: no way to fix it then :/?
[21:53] <Tego> Don't really want to upgrade ..
[21:53] <MonkeyDust> Tego  you're running a dead release, or you have repos from a dead release
[21:53] <Beldar> !eol | Tego
[21:53] <Guest83024> hello all, I have just installed 14.04 on a macbook 7,1 and using all available drivers I can not scan for SSID's, iwlist wlan0 always returns "no scan results" almost as if the wireless is turned off in some way, but there is no hardware switch or anything
[21:54] <Guest83024> on a mac
[21:54] <Guest83024> looking for some suggestions
[21:54] <Beldar> Guest83024, In ubuntu run lspci and identify the wifi hardware to the channel.
[21:55] <k1l_> Tego: your system got security issues a 9 year old can "hack". so i would definetly upgrade. you should stick to LTS releases if you dont want upgrade for long time
[21:55] <Beldar> just the wifi not all of lspci Guest83024
[21:55] <O00O> jon-work: i think you must use sudo do-release-upgrade
[21:55] <Guest83024> 02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4322 802.11a/b/g/n Wireless LAN Controller (rev 01)
[21:55] <Beldar> !broadcom | Guest83024
[21:56] <Hypersonic> Does anyone know why I see "[13185.370417] ieee80211 phy5: rt2800usb_txdone: Warning - Got TX status for an empty queue 2, dropping" being spammed in dmesg?
[21:57] <Beldar> nice creative use of language for no real info usable
[21:58] <Hypersonic> I have a WiFi USB device with Ralink 5370 chipset, but it is really slow
[22:01] <Meaux> Anyone have any experience with LDAP?
[22:03] <high_fiver> Meaux, what's your question
[22:03] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: I tried logging into the new user but there was no menu bar and no way to do anything. The mouse was still working but all I could do was press Ctrl-Alt-F1 to get to a terminal and then reboot from there. The keyboard in the terminal was still not keeping up with my typing. Now after a reboot, the keyboard lag seems to have gone.
[22:03] <Muchachao> hi guys, I installed ubuntu without default GUI. Instead, I installed i3 as window manager. I have some issues with managing the sound. I didn't manage to play sound from the current installation, need I install some packages? I so, which package should I install. If there is a command-line sound manager, I would prefer that above GUI sound manager.
[22:04] <Meaux> high_fiver: Thanks! I've been wrangling with this LDAP server all day, and finally broke down and took a PCAP from the client of the failed authentication process. It appears that the Server and the Client are using different hashing mechanisms. How do I make the client use the same hashing as the server?
[22:04] <buriedalive> sleepin away?
[22:05] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: So after the reboot the GUI was working correctly?
[22:05] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: After the reboot I didn't try logging into the new user, I just came back to my usual user
[22:06] <GregBledsoe> greetings - if I have a problem with a broadcom chip in a macbook and having looked through and tried everything here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx - where should I go next?
[22:06] <Peanut> Howdy - I've just installed 14.04 (from netboot) on a brand new machine with HD4600 graphics. It detect my screen as 'unknown screen', and I'm stuck with a resolution of 1024x768 on a 1080p display.
[22:06] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: Sorry, I don't have much experience with the GUI, there should be something in /var/log somewhere, have you checked that?
[22:06] <Smashman> Hi, I'm having an issue getting apport to give me a .crash file. A program is crashing and it says that the core is being dumped, but there is no file in /var/crash. I commented out the lines described in the file,to no avail.
[22:08] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: What should I check for? There are 11 sub-directories and 66 files in /var/log
[22:10] <tuxuser_> I just created full root + /boot within lvm on top of mdraid 1.x (one missing drive (dev box)) and hit similar problem to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mdadm/+bug/1077650.  I am running Mint 17 (Trusty). My current work around is to add break=premount to the linux kernel grub entry then run `lvm vgchange -ay` at the initramfs prompt.  at premount the device tables are not getting created (per the lvm lvs output -wi-d---
[22:10] <tuxuser_> - instead of -wi-a----)
[22:11] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: syslog I'd hope, maybe the desktop has its own log directory or file. dmesg is more hardware related, I think. I guess having no menu after logging in with a fresh user is a real problem.
[22:12] <Smashman> I have another, perhaps easier question. When I try loading a private key, it's not loaded into the right area and doesn't actually let me log into my server. It's loaded as a GNOME thing.
[22:13] <jumi> c
[22:14] <Smashman> It's an OpenSSH key, but it's being loaded as a Gnome2 Key...
[22:14] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: Here is /var/log/syslog http://pastebin.com/4zPr3M6c
[22:16] <k1l_> !away > rockerball-phone
[22:18] <Peanut> Ok, I fixed my issue by using the HDMI cable instead of a VGA cable.
[22:18] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: sorry, I am no expert on this, DBUS threw some errors, warnings are usually OK to ignore, not errors. I'd try installing another desktop, maybe something smallest like i3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I3_(window_manager), or lxde or fluxbox and see if the problem goes away.
[22:19] <JamesJRH> So Ubuntu One goes tomorrow? Is it just the files part?
[22:19] <k1l_> JamesJRH: yes its just the data storage part.
[22:19] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: i3 was something I was fine with. Not a real desktop, but no complexity to go bad.
[22:21] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: But I like gnome. xfce was horrible. I shouldn't need to do this. Ubuntu is supposed to work out of the box. I have a quad core processor and 8GB of RAM so it's not like my machine should be struggling to run Gnome fallback
[22:22] <dik_dak> anyone use urxvt and had issues with colorschemes?
[22:22] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I'd try asking here again, or something like #gnome maybe? As far as I understand a fresh user has to work, unless it's an Ubuntu bug, or a driver or hardware issue, or something bad like that.
[22:23] <eiku> synclient's -m option seems not to exist anymore. Is there another way to find values for synclient configuration?
[22:26] <JamesJRH> k1l_: I remember having some notes on there, but I can't see where. one.ubuntu.com just redirects to shutdown.
[22:26] <k1l_> JamesJRH: see the link end of page
[22:27] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: It seems lots of people thought my shared /home might be a problem so maybe I should just reinstall Ubuntu without it and copy all the files across.
[22:27] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: [Groan] another two days of getting the computer how I want it, installing apps and things. God I hate computers at times.
[22:28] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I think you could create an empty directory on your root partition and mount /home there. Otherwise I'd try reinstalling if possible, yes unfortunately.
[22:29] <JamesJRH> k1l_: I cannot see a link to the part of Ubuntu One that I wanted to check.
[22:29] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I love every day they don't have issues, yes. :) That's why I liked VERY lightweight GUIs like i3 on linux though.
[22:29] <k1l_> JamesJRH: see LIMITED U1 FILE SERVICE
[22:29] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: the home partition is already mounted in an empty directory called /home on my root partition.
[22:30] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: That was handled by the partitioning manager when I installed ubuntu
[22:30] <DrunkWithPower> When logging into freenode via hexchat, what does the message "mode set to Z+" mean?
[22:30] <JamesJRH> k1l_: It doesn't have the interface I'm talking about. Maybe I can find a screenshot...
[22:30] <noob_saibot_> need some help with SDL2 on code::blocks
[22:31] <noob_saibot_> I installed SDL2 and check if i have it
[22:31] <k1l_> JamesJRH: there is no interface anymore. the service like you used to have was shut down already weeks ago (like told in the mail etc) its only some last chance download solution
[22:31] <noob_saibot_> i tried following this, too.
[22:31] <noob_saibot_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiEwXjq4_yo
[22:31] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: Oh, ok, but you could create a different directory for home, to really start from scratch, if you wanted to. Well other than a live cd, you could reinstall, yes.
[22:31] <noob_saibot_> also this: http://lazyfoo.net/tutorials/SDL/01_hello_SDL/linux/index.php
[22:32] <noob_saibot_> the problem is when I use codeblocks I cannot compile #include <SDL2/SDL_image.h>
[22:33] <noob_saibot_> can someone explain to me what im doing wrong?
[22:33] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I mean other than bugs, almost everything execpt for /home is controlled by the ubuntu installer and the packgages. That's why it is very weird that a fresh user didn't work correctly. Reinstalling would the last resort then.
[22:33] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: I don't see how any of that will help. The consensus seemed to be that having a home directory with stuff from previous distros in it could be causing the problems. All of that stuff is stored in /home/myusername. That stuff will still be there
[22:33] <the_wisenerd> would someone know how to start testdisk deeper scan from a particular sector? It takes too long for an entire harddisk scan... I already know my partition table, sort of...
[22:34] <noob_saibot_> i did this, too
[22:34] <noob_saibot_> -ISDL2 -ISDL2main -ISDL2_image
[22:34] <noob_saibot_> other linker options for codeblocks.
[22:34] <JamesJRH> k1l_: Here, found it: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-v0dSb2O9lIU/TdOY1kzYXDI/AAAAAAAAE5A/5HvwRJ7i_-g/s1600/ubuntu-one-dashboard.png
[22:34] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: if you mounted /home in a new empty directory, then nothing would be there, and the system wouldn't look into your old /home directory. You'd have to create a new user after mounting home in a different location and try logging in as that user.
[22:34] <JamesJRH> k1l_: See the ‘Notes’ tab. I cannot see how to download any old notes from there.
[22:35] <JamesJRH> k1l_: ‘LIMITED U1 FILE SERVICE’ is only the ‘Files’ tab.
[22:35] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: But /home is already an empty directory, otherwise I couldn't mount the partition in it.
[22:35] <JimmyNeutron> During installation of Ubuntu 14.04, when it ask to encrypt your home folder, does it encrypt the entire /home partition or encrypt only the /home/myuser folder only?
[22:36] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: OK, I mean "use something else instead of that partition". It is just an entry in /etc/fstab
[22:36] <k1l_> JamesJRH: sorry to say, but you are even more late on this one. that was shut down way before: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/02/ubuntu-one-announce-tomboy-note-sync-to-stop-working-late-february
[22:37] <noob_saibot_> ?
[22:37] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: Oh I see what you are getting at. I could achieve that simply by deleting that line in fstab, but I understand that if /home is empty with no user directory then the system can't boot.
[22:37] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: So then I wouldn't even be able to create a new user
[22:38] <JamesJRH> k1l_: Huh. Don't remember being told about that.
[22:38] <k1l_> JamesJRH: here is the announcment from 2012: http://voices.canonical.com/ubuntuone/2012/02/05/an-important-note-about-notes/
[22:38] <noob_saibot_> help on codeblocks SDL2 please
[22:38] <noob_saibot_> ubuntu 14.04
[22:39] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: It'd would boot just well. However you'd need to create a new user as root first, so that could try to login and try the gui. The new user would get its home in the new location automatically.
[22:40] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I hope I am correct with Ubuntu, but root doesn't use /home at all. You could do all that in recovery mode after a reboot, where you'd login as root automatically, to fix stuff.
[22:41] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I mean there should be a recovery mode in the boot menu at boot.
[22:42] <jak2000> hi all http://pastie.org/9432680    how to remove all this java/jdk thanks
[22:42] <mjayk> Busserl: you are correct
[22:42] <noob_saibot_> can anyone help me?
[22:43] <Busserl> mjayk: Thanks, I wasn't sure, I rarely use it.
[22:43] <JamesJRH> k1l_: They could have quite easily emailed me my notes. There were only a few. I believe that they may actually be synch'ed with Tomboy on an old machine.
[22:44] <EleanorEllis> Busserl: So you mean I delete all users, detach my home partition so /home is completely empty then reboot and hopefully I can log in as root to make a new user?
[22:44] <mjayk> EleanorEllis: you should logon as root via a different tty not via the gui then create new users from there
[22:44] <armenb> hey all.  apport seems like a really cool tool. Is anyone using it to send bugs to their own development teams instead of to the Ubuntu mothership?
[22:45] <mykrob76> evening. Running Ubuntu 14.04. How do I get multimedia plugins in Chrome to be able to watch trailers on the Apple site? It used to work just fine with Totem browser plugins
[22:45] <JamesJRH> k1l_: Though I'll not repeat the mistake of using public synchronisation services.
[22:45] <EleanorEllis> mjayk: How do you logon as root? Does root even have a password? I don't remember ever setting one up
[22:45] <OerHeks> jak2000, how did you install those ??
[22:46] <Busserl> EleanorEllis: I forgot you were in the GUI, so you should be able to select recovery mode in the GRUB boot menu when you reboot the pc. This would put you as root before users would get "loaded" so to speak.
[22:46] <mjayk> EleanorEllis: switch to a different tty username is root and password is the root password (try the sudo password)
[22:46] <Busserl> oh, ok
[22:46] <Muchachao> somebody can help me with the following: I'm using ubuntu without default GUI, therefor I don't have the default sound manager. Are there any command line solutions to manage the volume sound?
[22:46] <noob_saibot_> hi
[22:46] <noob_saibot_> please help me
[22:47] <etronik> nickserv identify !Shampoo12!
[22:47] <mjayk> Muchachao: what desktop are you using
[22:47] <gazzerh> :)
[22:47] <mjayk> etronik: with the fail :D
[22:47] <OerHeks> etronik, time to change password
[22:47] <etronik> damm X-Chat, always makes me loose the backslash !
[22:47] <Muchachao> mjayk, I'm using ubuntu server with i3 as window manager
[22:47] <mjayk> noob_saibot_: just say the question
[22:47] <EleanorEllis> mjayk: As I understand it, there is no single "sudo password". Whenever I use sudo I use my user password and that only works because my user is in the sudo group
[22:47] <jak2000> OerHeks i know only:  sudo apt-get install openjdk-7-jdk    but others versions, not know,
[22:47] <JamesJRH> k1l_: You say that it's just Ubuntu One Files that is being dropped, but I thought Ubuntu One Music was too.
[22:48] <RyanTG> correct, Eleanor
[22:48] <noob_saibot_> i have codeblocks installed but the SDL2 is not being identified when i have it installed.
[22:48] <jak2000> OerHeks i assume for remove thejdk-7:  sudo apt-get remove openjdk-7-jdk     right? and others?
[22:48] <k1l_> JamesJRH: yes, a lot of services are already dropped
[22:48] <Busserl> Muchachao: I knwo Pulseaudio's own pavucontrol.
[22:48] <OerHeks> jak2000, others i cannot tell, did you use an installer or ppa or else?
[22:48] <mjayk> Muchachao: pulse audio has a cli
[22:49] <noob_saibot_> i used this to detect SDL2 installed apt-cache search libsdl2
[22:49] <noob_saibot_> it showed something so it should work
[22:49] <Busserl> Muchachao: oh, pavucontrol is a GUI only I think.
[22:49] <mjayk> EleanorEllis: when you set the system up you should have set a root password
[22:49] <jak2000> OerHeks i think have been installed in OS installation at start? undersatnd me?
[22:49] <JamesJRH> k1l_: So what's left of Ubuntu One now that Files is discontinued?
[22:50] <EleanorEllis> mjayk: I don't remember the system asking me to do that. It only asked me to setup a password for my user
[22:50] <k1l_> JamesJRH: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status
[22:50] <anarkhos> what's the most basic way of running a filesystem check of a partition on (l)ubuntu?
[22:50] <OerHeks> jak2000,  oracle java is installed manually
[22:51] <mjayk> EleanorEllis: if you dont know your root password I dont know how you will logon as root sorry
[22:51] <noob_saibot_> mjayk:  i have codeblocks installed but the SDL2 is not being identified when i have it installed.
[22:52] <noob_saibot_> i used this to detect SDL2 installed apt-cache search libsdl2
[22:52] <mjayk> noob_saibot_: I dont know anything about that sorry
[22:52] <mjayk> noob_saibot_: if someone does they will answer you
[22:52] <noob_saibot_> i hope so
[22:52] <k1l_> anarkhos: "sudo touch /forcefsck " and on next reboot all will be checked
[22:53] <anarkhos> k11: what if i just want to check a 20gb partition (i.e. the lubuntu partition)?
[22:53] <jak2000> OerHeks mmm how to remove version 6?
[22:53] <EleanorEllis> mjayk: From https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo By default, the Root account password is locked in Ubuntu. This means that you cannot login as Root directly or use the su command to become the Root user. However, since the Root account physically exists it is still possible to run programs with root-level privileges. This is where sudo comes in - it allows authorized users (normally "Administrative" users; for further inform
[22:54] <sad> Hi
[22:54] <k1l_> anarkhos: you cant check them while in use. so you will need a live cd for that
[22:54] <anarkhos> and im still a little confused about how the fsck works. at exactly what stage does the fsck begin?
[22:54] <anarkhos> right...
[22:55] <sad> How can i updat - download the new version - tor at my lubuntu ?
[22:55] <k1l_> !tor | sad
[22:55] <mjayk> EleanorEllis: no idea then gl
[22:55] <anarkhos> k1l_: but "sudo touch /forcefsck " works regardless of live cd?
[22:55] <anarkhos> if so, why?
[22:56] <k1l_> because it checks the partitions before they get mounted
[22:57] <sad> thanks !
[23:02] <perhapstired> hello
[23:03] <JamesJRH> k1l_: It isn't clear from that link which of those 7 items will remain after Files is deleted tomorrow. So clearly not Files or Notes, so what about the other 5?: General and Accounts; Contacts; Mobile Contacts; Music Streaming; and Music Store.
[23:03] <perhapstired> can anyone think of a reason why openvpn works fine on an ubuntu 12 with all updates but doesnt on a ubuntu 10 without updates?
[23:04] <Beldar> perhapstired, ubuntu 10 which one and server or desktop release?
[23:04] <jak2000> OerHeks mmm how to remove version 6?
[23:04] <perhapstired> Beldar: its a desktop 10.04-- i installed network manager openvpn on both
[23:05] <perhapstired> you think i need to update? itll take hours
[23:05] <Beldar> perhapstired, 10.04 desktop is end f life
[23:05] <Beldar> of*
[23:06] <JamesJRH> Shame.
[23:06] <perhapstired> So no one answers questions about it here because its end of life?
[23:06] <mjayk> perhapstired: if its eol its not supported generally
[23:07] <Beldar> perhapstired, no but it is important info, you do not have securoty updates or access at this time to the ubuntu repos, don;t just read into posts.
[23:07] <Beldar> security*\
[23:08] <k1l_> perhapstired: when its EOL it doesn not recieve any security or heavy bug fixes.
[23:08] <JamesJRH> perhapstired: I still use an EOL release of Ubuntu. Unfortunately there are no more decent releases of Ubuntu that are still supported. That's why I'm moving away to another distro.
[23:08] <perhapstired> thank you for your concern, however the only big bug I know of with this is the heartbleed one which didnt affect ubuntu 10.04
[23:09] <perhapstired> JamesJRH: this ubuntu is a very light one I agree I am very fond of it
[23:09] <Beldar> perhapstired, One wonders if you know so much why you are even here. ;)
[23:11] <jak2000> hi all http://pastie.org/9432680    how to remove all this java/jdk thanks i removed the version 7:  sudo apt-get remove openjdk-7-jdk     right? and others?
[23:11] <perhapstired> Beldar: I'm trying to avoid the let down of downloading the 10 updates only to see it not solve my issue, or alternately, to not move to a more recent ubuntu :)
[23:11] <Beldar> jak2000, sudo apt-get purge "thing"
[23:12] <JamesJRH> perhapstired: I'm moving away from Ubuntu Natty to NixOS. Natty also wasn't affected by the heartbleed bug I believe.
[23:12] <k1l_> perhapstired: there is a 10.04 to 12.04 direct upgrade
[23:12] <Beldar> perhapstired, Not critical thinking but it is your install.
[23:12] <Beldar> heartbleed was fixed with 2 days anyway
[23:13] <Beldar> within
[23:13] <k1l_> JamesJRH: such old software got more issues than only heartbleed, that uses a security issue that was not invented there. so that is just a really false security feeling there
[23:13] <Beldar> old newa
[23:13] <Beldar> news
[23:14] <perhapstired> Thats interesting, there is a direct way to upgrade to 12.04 in updates
[23:14] <Froger> Hi, I'm currently using a quantal distribution and want to upgrade, how do I go about it? Quantal is EOL so I can't use apt-get upgrade apparently ..
[23:14] <perhapstired> that means i dont have to move any of my data
[23:15] <JamesJRH> k1l_: I didn't say it was. perhapstired mentioned heartbleed. Natty feels so tired now. I'm really liking NixOS, that's all.
[23:15] <k1l_> perhapstired: yes, but backups are handy when murphys law strikes back
[23:15] <Beldar> Froger, Two choices upgrades through other eols or a fresh install the upgrades will take awhile but doable.
[23:15] <jmis> Can someone verify the torrent for the 14.04 64bit version of gnomebuntu works? (Found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/GetUbuntuGNOME) I keep getting a tracker error,  but the 13.10 torrent is fine for me.
[23:16] <Beldar> jmis, 13.10 is eol
[23:16] <Froger> Beldar: how would I upgrade through other EOLs? I just want to get to a LTS, doesn't have to be the most recent one. If anything, just want to be able to use packages again
[23:16] <k1l_> JamesJRH: you are free to use what you like. but natty is EOL long time ago and that is in no way recommended to use. no matter how safe some feels because heartbleed was not invented there
[23:16] <perhapstired> k1l_: yes ill take care, im updating to 12.04 how long u think itll take?
[23:16] <Beldar> !eol | Froger see eol upgrade
[23:17] <jmis> Beldar: I just want someone to try torrenting the 14.04 on that page, its isnt working for me, just want to know if its just me. Just saying 13.10 torrent started with no issues
[23:18] <jak2000> Beldar return,
[23:18] <k1l_> perhapstired: like a regular upgrade. varies with internet speed and system speed. i would say something from 10 to 45minutes
[23:18] <jak2000> in am oment
[23:18] <JamesJRH> k1l_: I'm not saying Natty was safe. Noöne knew about heartbleed when successors to Natty were released. I didn't like Oneiric for many reasons. I still like Natty's interface, the version of Unity before it got messed around, but update-wise, Natty feels very tired.
[23:18] <Beldar> jmis, 32 and 64 bit started fine here
[23:19] <patarr> will canonical ever fix chromium package? https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=360388#c81
[23:19] <patarr> This bug has been out there for a while.
[23:19] <jmis> Beldar: thanks, I'll try another client / location / computer
[23:19] <Beldar> jak2000> Beldar return, Nt sure what this means.
[23:19] <Beldar> Not*
[23:19] <perhapstired> mush33BUFF89
[23:19] <k1l_> patarr: did you file it to launchpad yet?
[23:20] <JamesJRH> k1l_: s/I'm not saying Natty was safe./I'm not saying Natty was safer than a subsequent release with heartbleed./
[23:23] <JamesJRH> k1l_: It isn't clear from that link (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Status) which of those 7 items will remain after Files is deleted tomorrow. So clearly not Files or Notes, but what about the other 5?: General Services/Accounts; Contacts; Mobile Contacts; Music Streaming; and Music Store.
[23:24] <k1l_> JamesJRH: scroll down
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <flower> Hallo. Ich bin ein Berliner
[23:24] <unopaste> flower you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[23:25] <Dinosaurio> German really sucks
[23:25] <flower> V
[23:26] <flower> Germany!!
[23:26] <flower> Germany!!Germany!!
[23:26] <Dinosaurio> flower: you lost the war, i'm sorry
[23:26] <k1l_> Dinosaurio: no need to feed the trolls :) lets focus on support in here
[23:26] <Blacklite> when i do aplay -l under root i get a list of audio devices. when i do it under any other user, it just says "no soundcards found"
[23:26] <Dinosaurio> k1l_: Okay
[23:26] <Blacklite> i'm sure this is a simple issue and i am sure i've solved it before
[23:27] <JamesJRH> Dinosaurio: I don't like your tone. Every country has morons, that doesn't reflect on the whole country.
[23:28] <user123321> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7909202/ <--- I can't boot into LUbuntu, I'm in Windows now.
[23:28] <user123321> Beldar, ^
[23:28] <Dinosaurio> JamesJRH: It does in Israel
[23:29] <EleanorEllis> I am contemplating reinstalling Ubuntu for various reasons but I hate Unity so usually I immediately install Gnome fallback as I want the familiar menu based environment I have been used to since Ubuntu 8.04. But I wonder if maybe I should move to Kubuntu.
[23:29] <user123321> sda6 is my LUbuntu.
[23:30] <k1l_> EleanorEllis: or see Xubuntu or Lubuntu if that looks more suitable to you
[23:30] <anarkhos> k1l_: <k1l_> "because it checks the partitions before they get mounted"    --- right, and my thought was: how can fsck even be initiated if the partition (from which to access fsck, right?) is unmounted. does "sudo touch /forcefsck" somehow get around that?
[23:30] <Dinosaurio> JamesJRH: But if you prefer not to execute those killers, meh
[23:30] <k1l_> anarkhos: iirc the kernel gets triggert before he mounts all the stuff
[23:31] <JamesJRH> Dinosaurio: I can't speak for Israel, but I know many Germans are very nice.
[23:31] <EleanorEllis> k1l_:  So difficult to decide which distro to use without investing a lot of time trying it. Then you tend to stick with it because you've spent so much time on it and only discover the problems and bits you don't like months later when it's really too late to go back.
[23:31] <anarkhos> k1l_: and fsck he a part of the kernel?
[23:31] <Beldar> user123321, From the live cd use the app and the basic repair, and get a non pirate windows install. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Boot-Repair
[23:32] <Dinosaurio> Did you kick me because I'm spanish?
[23:32] <k1l_> anarkhos: i am not sure where that exactly hits. but its designed to be run on startup automatically.
[23:32] <user123321> Beldar, Oh btw, I'm using non-pirate Windows.
[23:32] <EleanorEllis> Maybe I should try a live CD for a bit longer now that maybe machines are fast enough to run a liveCD without it seeming like steam power
[23:33] <Beldar> user123321, It has boot info that would say otherwise, but it is you not me.
[23:33] <Blacklite> when i do aplay -l under root i get a list of audio devices. when i do it under any other user, it just says "no soundcards found". Ubuntu docs say not to use the "audio" group, but i'm sure this is a permissions issue. anyone got any ideas?
[23:33] <EleanorEllis> !off-topic | Dinosaurio: JamesJRH:
[23:33] <anarkhos> k1l_: the bottom line is that it IS indeed possible to initiate fsck even though the linux filesystem is unmounted? if that's the case, why isn't it possible to make fsck check only the linux partition instead of the entire drive?
[23:34] <user123321> Beldar, Oh, I don't know why it mentions about Windows 8 and Vista, I only have Windows 7.
[23:34] <Beldar> user123321, Maybe it is the easybcd not sure.
[23:34] <anarkhos> k1l_: ...without any live cd
[23:34] <user123321> Beldar, Should I follow the 2nd option from the link you gave?
[23:34] <JamesJRH> EleanorEllis: No thanks. I don't wish to continue that topic.
[23:35] <k1l_> anarkhos: if you can unmount that partition you can check that. but if you need to reboot to run a live-cd you can use the reboot method anyway
[23:35] <Beldar> user123321, this in sda8 is pirate stuff. /grldr /bootmgr /boot/bcd /grldr
[23:35] <EleanorEllis> JamesJRH: So just ignore, rather than feeding trolls.
[23:35] <JamesJRH> Okay.
[23:36] <user123321> Beldar, Oh, I don't have Vista, I guess it's Windows recovery or something.
[23:36] <Beldar> user123321, The basic repair on that app should put grub in the mbr.
[23:36] <anarkhos> k1l_: ok, so would something like "sudo touch /forcefsck /dev/sda4" work?
[23:36] <user123321> Beldar, Cool, ok.
[23:38] <Beldar> user123321, JUst be sure the sda HD is the first read in the bios for correct booting.
[23:38] <k1l_> EleanorEllis: see http://imgur.com/a/9iaLJ for a overview
[23:39] <user123321> Beldar, But I'd hav to make it USB so I could boot from Live.
[23:40] <Beldar> user123321, Do what you need but have sda below it and remove the usb before booting after the fix
[23:40] <ObrienDave> user123321, CD/DVD 1st, USB drives 2nd, HD (sda) 3rd
[23:41] <user123321> I'll be back with the progress report :D
[23:41] <Beldar> user123321, There is actually a per-session boot menu outside the bios you might look at the first flash when booting it tells you the key or keys to hit to access it for future uses.
[23:42] <EleanorEllis> k1l_: Thanks. I tried Ubuntu Studio which uses XFCE and that seems buggy as hell so I'm not going back to an XFCE based distro. I might try a lubuntu live CD as well as a kubuntu one. Then again, why not try Debian? I never understood that Ubuntu is based on Debian till a long while after I had been using Ubuntu. I don't understand what benefits Ubuntu has over Debian, if there are any. I hear that Debian users look down on us Ubuntu us
[23:42] <JamesJRH> k1l_: Right, back to Ubuntu One, what services will be left then after Files? Music Streaming? “2013-03-18 Music streaming went down around 19:30 UTC and was brought back online around 20:25 UTC. We apologize for the troubles.”
[23:43] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, You are far from any realistic look at your issues, many have tried to help you with no success. Just saying. ;)
[23:43] <SchrodingersScat> EleanorEllis: you're welcome to try debian
[23:43] <jeffreylevesque> anyone familiar with websockets?
[23:44] <ObrienDave> EleanorEllis, i've tried most every debian based distro out there, i keep coming back to Xubuntu, and i'm sticking with it
[23:45] <Beldar> jeffreylevesque, You know by now stating the issue=help.
[23:46] <MoPac> Hello. I'm trying to troubleshoot a hybrid notebook. I assume I should ask here rather than in #ubuntu-touch. Running from live USB, orientation sensor doesn't seem to be recognised, and I'm not sure how to adjust things like multitouch or touchscreen sensitivity/tolerance
[23:46] <Beldar> MoPac, THis ubuntu-touch?
[23:47] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: I don't see any hope of fixing my current problems as they are so vacuous and difficult to define. It's complete guesswork what could be causing it and the best advice so far seems to be to not use my current config of sharing the home directory between subsequent distros. I am at a loss even to ask the right questions, let alone get the right answers. So if I am to reinstall and I know I don't like Unity, then it seems sensible
[23:47] <MoPac> I mean, what I'm running is just whatever is on the latest  normal 14.04 .iso
[23:48] <EleanorEllis> So it seems that trying something else might be a more streamlined way of getting a reliable system, even if that is another Ubuntu based distro.
[23:48] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Have you tried not using that home, just back up what you need and do a fresh install?
[23:48] <MoPac> Beldar: So it's not the phone-oriented version of Ubuntu...should I have tried to build that?
[23:48] <Beldar> MoPac, What is it exactly?
[23:48] <angel_> hi, i require help to configure a bluetooth keyboard on ubuntu but  keyboard. i tried the menu options but i get a fail every time
[23:48] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Not yet. I don't have time for that today as I have other things I need to get done.
[23:49] <jeffreylevesque> Beldar, I'm new to websockets.  I need to integrated my javascript (https://github.com/jeff1evesque/whisper/blob/master/src/js/initializer.js) with my websocket service (https://github.com/jeff1evesque/whisper/tree/master/websocket)
[23:49] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Doing a fresh install will take ages so I am just going to have to put up with it for the time being until I have some spare time to play around with it for several days.
[23:49] <MoPac> Beldar: It's an HP Envy x360
[23:49] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Seemed like the best advice I have seen, in the time you have been here and if you have a external to backup to it would probably been done
[23:50] <Beldar> MoPac, What exactly is the operating system?
[23:51] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: I don't imagine any of this will be quick, which is why I am wondering whether to consider a different distro. Basically I am always bound by fear when it comes to changing anything so drastic. I fear it will go wrong and I will be left without a working computer at a time I can't afford to be without a computer.
[23:51] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, All your stuff you can't loose should be on an external anyway.
[23:51] <Beldar> backed up
[23:51] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: All the stuff I can't lose is on dropbox.
[23:51] <ObrienDave> backup? we don't need no stinking backup!
[23:52] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Than stop guessing and act on good advice.
[23:52] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: But that doesn't account for applications
[23:52] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Everyone I have spoken to was also guessing and said as much.
[23:52] <Beldar> all can be installed and you can do a dpkg list EleanorEllis
[23:53] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Supposing it is some of my packages that are causing the problems, then I will be carrying the problems along with me.
[23:53] <ObrienDave> exactly, time for a fresh install of whatever
 Beldar: Everyone I have spoken to was also guessing and said as much. You have no explicit descriptions and a some what hackneyed set up sharing the home over distros that is what happens when you are in this state.
[23:54] <damian-> ey guys, i touched on this last night but got fed up and went to bed.. but having different issues this morning.
[23:55] <damian-> ran an upgrade on ubuntu last night, it seems to have destroyed my grub, doing grub-install/dev/sda1 results in 'cannot delete /boot/grub/i386-pc/gcry_rsa.mod: input/output error
[23:55] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Ah, well in my opinion you are un-help-able, you have counter arguements that are out of assumptions and wont act on good ways to treat this.
[23:55] <damian-> things i've found basically said to 'purge' and reinstall, not sure what this means?
[23:55] <ObrienDave> purge means to completely remove a package
[23:56] <Beldar> !bootinfo | damian- run and post the script.
[23:56] <damian-> hrm, can i do that when i can't boot into my os?
[23:56] <Beldar> damian-, You need a live dvd/usb to fix this in the end and run that script.
[23:57] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Until today I didn't know that sharing the home over distros was a bad idea. So at least that is some progress. Now at least I know some direction in which to go which is better than I was before (ie not using the shared home). I know I didn't have explicit descriptions of what was going wrong because I didn't know how to describe exactly what was happening. It is not easy for someone who is not super super technical to dive int
[23:57] <damian-> thanks, i'm getting the script now - live (or install disc / rescue) is already happening!
[23:58] <MoPac> Beldar: Sorry I missed your last. Right now on it, I am running, from a live USB the x64 version of Ubuntu that downloads as an .iso from http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop as of this afternoon
[23:58] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Than you are learning, maybe a fresh install and installing the apps you need will make this a done deal
[23:58] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: And far from being unhelpable, I regard the advice about not using the shared home is the best help I have had. If only I had known that when I started using the shared home directory (which I did based on advice and research I had at the time)! So I will try what you have suggested.
[23:59] <MoPac> Beldar: I've also sudo apt-get update/upgraded while running from the stick
[23:59] <Beldar> MoPac, "sudo apt-get update/upgraded while running from the stick" Why?