[00:26] <slangasek> Laney: fyi, I'm unblocking init-system-helpers to get init de-essentialed, as this is causing issues for people debootstrapping.  It should have no impact on images, so I don't believe any respin is required
[00:42] <infinity> jibel: Awesome, thanks.
[06:40] <mlankhorst> doko: pong
[08:25] <Laney> hrm, where are the lubuntu alternates?
[08:26] <Laney> iso tracker thinks they are rebuilding
[08:26] <Laney> but nusakan doesn't
[08:26]  * Laney tries again
[08:48] <ypwong> could anyone help to migrate ubuntukylin-default-settings 1.2.1 from proposed to release?
[08:49] <ypwong> we'd like to build a new image based on this version.
[08:52] <Laney> ypwong: you want this to be in alpha 2?
[08:53] <ypwong> Laney: yes we want to use in alpha2, the current version is buggy
[08:53] <Laney> this handling looks a bit shaky to me
[08:55] <ypwong> 1.2.0 makes the image failed to build
[08:57] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: any news of the Plasma 5 ISO ? :)
[08:57] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: I sent you a message last night asking for a detail for that ...
[08:58] <shadeslayer> ah yes, I just saw that, moment
[08:58] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next
[08:58] <cjwatson> right, thanks, let me see
[09:00] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: which architectures?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: amd64 and i386 please
[09:02] <Laney> ypwong: do you think this feature is essential?
[09:02] <Laney> PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu Kylin Kylin Kylin Kylin Utopic Unicorn (development branch)"
[09:02] <Laney> That's from reinstalling the package a few times :)
[09:02] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: and this is a live CD format, and I can call it "kubuntu-plasma5"?
[09:02] <shadeslayer> yep
[09:03] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: is there already a task or metapackage or something?  where are the seeds?
[09:04] <shadeslayer> seeds https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-dev/ubuntu-seeds/kubuntu-plasma5.utopic
[09:04] <shadeslayer> metapackage is kubuntu-plasma5-desktop
[09:04] <Laney> where can I find evidence from the lubuntu alternate build I just ran?
[09:05] <Laney> I don't see any output from it
[09:05] <shadeslayer> link to dsc https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/next/+files/kubuntu-plasma5-meta_1.0%7Eppa7.dsc
[09:05] <cjwatson> Laney: you running it directly on nusakan?
[09:05] <Laney> yeah
[09:05] <shadeslayer> I am unsure if there's a task in there, checking
[09:05] <cjwatson> Laney: cdimage/log/lubuntu/utopic/
[09:05] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: there won't be, but I'll use a metapackage
[09:05] <shadeslayer> ok
[09:05] <Laney> cjwatson: right, no log there for today
[09:05] <cjwatson> only the primary archive gets tasks, so pretend I wasn't silly enough to mention that
[09:05] <cjwatson> Laney: command line?
[09:06] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: we're using the kubuntu-live task + kubuntu-plasma5-desktop for building ISOs on our side
[09:06] <shadeslayer> which has worked so far
[09:06] <Laney> for-project lubuntu cron.daily
[09:06] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: hm, don't like that
[09:06] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: oh ?
[09:06] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: but I guess it will sort of work as long as you don't change the wrong things
[09:06] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: the kubuntu-live task is generated under the assumption that kubuntu-desktop is installed
[09:06] <shadeslayer> ah I see
[09:06] <cjwatson> it's not actually strictly valid to use it without
[09:06] <cjwatson> but you might be close enough to get away with it
[09:07] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:08] <cjwatson> so let me chase down the seventy gazillion things I need to tweak here
[09:08] <shadeslayer> ^^ I can understand :D
[09:08] <Laney> ypwong: I'll unblock it on a "better than now" basis, but this should be revisited
[09:09] <ypwong> laney: thanks, I'll ask happyaron to take a look at the bug you found
[09:09] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-cdimage/+livefs/ubuntu/utopic/kubuntu-plasma5 exists, livefs build logs will eventually show up there
[09:09] <shadeslayer> \o/
[09:09] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: thanks alot! :D
[09:10] <cjwatson> wonder if I need to adjust extra_ppas for the new reference format
[09:10] <cjwatson> I guess we'll find out
[09:11] <Laney> oh wait
[09:12] <Laney> I was looking at the end, and all daily-live- logs are sorted after all daily- ones.
[09:12] <Laney> Missing debootstrap-required init
[09:12] <cjwatson> ah, I hadn't quite gone to look yet :)
[09:12] <cjwatson> huh, I thought that was being fixed
[09:13] <cjwatson> maybe priority
[09:13] <cjwatson> $ change-override -p optional -y init
[09:13] <cjwatson> Laney: try again after the next publisher run finishes
[09:13] <Laney> ta
[09:13] <cjwatson> (not the one currently in progress)
[09:13] <Laney> what happened here?
[09:15] <cjwatson> init was imported from Debian with the priority set in the package
[09:16] <cjwatson> debootstrap automatically adds anything with priority required/important
[09:16] <cjwatson> and debian-cd has a sanity check to make sure that everything wanted by debootstrap is actually on the image
[09:18] <Laney> ah right, was missing the last piece of knowledge
[09:19] <cjwatson> it doesn't come up often so it's a bit obscure
[09:21] <xnox> cjwatson: i dropped essential, but not required.
[09:21] <xnox> =/
[09:21] <cjwatson> xnox: not within your power anyway, priorities are always overridden
[09:21] <cjwatson> once it's in the archive it doesn't much matter what the package says
[09:21] <xnox> right.
[09:21] <xnox> cjwatson: essential bit as well?
[09:22] <cjwatson> no that's up to the package
[09:23] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: what's a suitable display name for the flavour?  just "Kubuntu Plasma 5"?
[09:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[09:23] <Riddell> yep
[10:18] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: all 7 gazillion things adjusted ? :D
[10:19] <cjwatson> sigh, patience
[10:20] <cjwatson> I'm working on it
[10:21] <cjwatson> but busy morning, preparing to go away
[10:23] <cjwatson> and needed to wait for my livecd-rootfs upload to migrate anyway
[10:35] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: roger :)
[10:35] <cjwatson> cdimage stuff theoretically done
[10:37] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: where are you off to for your vacation?
[10:38] <cjwatson> just 1.5 days in Birmingham
[10:38] <cjwatson> family
[10:38] <shadeslayer> ah I see :)
[10:48] <cjwatson> come on publisher, give me livecd-rootfs in release so that I can try a test-build so that I can go on holiday
[10:48] <ogra_> heh, i guess you need patience ...
[10:48] <cjwatson> yup
[10:48] <ogra_> my lxc-android-config upload last night took ~3h
[10:48] <ogra_> (from upload to archive)
[10:49] <cjwatson> the publisher is very slow at the moment because an important and large column in the Launchpad database is having to be widened to 64 bits
[10:49] <ogra_> ah, i was suspecting the KDE overload ;)
[10:49] <cjwatson> no
[10:49] <cjwatson> it seems to have pushed the DB server over the edge of a performance cliff
[10:49] <Laney> ah, was wondering - I've been spamming rmadison for kylin
[10:50] <cjwatson> we've been waiting for new DB servers to be plugged in for a while now ...
[10:51] <cjwatson> Laney: it's there now
[10:52] <Laney> so it is
[10:56] <cjwatson> attempting to build kubuntu-plasma5 now, but scalingstack is actually a bit busy for once :)
[10:56] <cjwatson> this is attached to a virt PPA so it needs to be built on virt builders
[10:56] <cjwatson> so just as well scalingstack's been deployed since it wouldn't have worked on the old builders
[10:57] <cjwatson> (live-build and hardy weren't friends)
[11:11] <cjwatson> argh, timeout, seriously
[11:19] <cjwatson> shadeslayer: sorry, I think I'm stuck on a firewall issue, so will have to wait until early next week
[11:19] <shadeslayer> alrighty
[11:19] <shadeslayer> cjwatson: I'll continue using my hacked up orchrestration for ISO's till then
[11:20] <shadeslayer> does the job decently well, even though ubiquity ends up on the final installation
[11:20] <cjwatson> hopefully it's mostly there on my side
[11:20] <cjwatson> it just needs to talk to the Launchpad API to fetch the signing key for your PPA, and I think that the scalingstack builders don't currently have firewall access for that
[11:20] <cjwatson> but no time to fix now before I leave
[11:21] <shadeslayer> okie dokie
[11:44] <Laney> cjwatson: looks like the priority change wasn't enough
[11:50] <cjwatson> Laney: I think it just needed another publisher run or something.  the cdimage mirror doesn't have the priority change
[11:51] <cjwatson> (gone)
[11:52] <Laney> where is the mirror?
[11:52] <Laney> (bye!)
[11:53] <Laney> oh, found it
[12:57] <Laney> ypwong: your images are up, testing welcome
[12:58] <ypwong> Laney: yep, I have informed QA to do that
[12:58] <Laney> thanks
[13:42] <shadeslayer> anyone have a clue why https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kxmlgui/5.0.0-0ubuntu1/+build/6205249 doesn't build?
[13:42] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ktextwidgets/5.0.0-0ubuntu1 < seems to have built for armhf
[13:46] <xnox> shadeslayer: rmadison -S libkf5textwidgets-dev says it's not published for armhf.
[13:48] <xnox> shadeslayer: last archive publish was 11:56:42 UTC yesterday....which looks wrong.
[13:48] <xnox> ..
[13:49] <xnox> why does http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/devel-proposed/Release says trusty-proposed ?!
[13:51] <xnox> build finished at 12:33, last armhf publish was at 13:07 should be there by now...
[13:52] <Laney> Riddell: you guys testing A2?
[13:52] <Laney> who does lubuntu these days?
[13:59] <Riddell> Laney: yes, come across a bug with installing in !english that I spent some time looking at, will do the rest of the tests now
[13:59] <Riddell> Laney: and I should appologise for grumping at you on ubuntu-release mailing list the other day, that was uncalled for
[14:00] <Laney> Riddell: did you?
[14:01] <Riddell> oh if you didn't notice then never mind :)
[14:01] <Laney> :P
[14:01] <Laney> apology accepted anyway :-)
[14:05] <Laney> stgraber: how are the product owners set on the iso tracker?
[14:05] <shadeslayer> thx xnox
[14:06] <Laney> I'm trying to find out what 'lubuntu release' maps to
[14:06] <Laney> because it's not ~lubuntu-release :-)
[14:10] <Riddell> ~lubuntu-dev ?
[14:11] <stgraber> Laney: lubuntu-product-managers
[14:13] <Laney> ty
[14:13] <Laney> wxl: it seems to be you
[14:13] <Laney> you guys organising testing of A2?
[14:13] <Laney> ah, I see some results now
[14:46] <utlemming> stgraber: where are the alpha-2 release notes hiding these days?
[14:46] <utlemming> Alpha-2 Cloud Images are affected by bug #1350522
[14:47] <stgraber> Laney: ^
[14:48] <Laney> stgraber: Didn't start any, where are the A1 ones?
[14:48] <stgraber> I don't believe we had any, just an announcement and then some per-product ones
[14:49] <Laney> Yep, thought so
[14:49] <Laney> utlemming: Feel free to make UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/UbuntuCloudImages or something and I'll link to it
[14:49] <utlemming> Laney: ack
[15:30] <didrocks> seb128: if you have a minute ^
[15:32] <seb128> didrocks, sure
[15:33] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:36] <Riddell> Kubuntu es bueno ↑
[15:36] <Laney> sehr gut
[15:49]  * Laney cribs from A1's release announcement
[15:51] <Laney> wxl: Riddell: utlemming: ypwong: Let me know a link to include if you have one
[15:51] <Laney> Also if you want to change the text
[15:51] <Riddell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[15:52] <Laney> cheers
[15:53] <utlemming> Laney: http://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/releases/utopic/alpha-2 will be the cloud image link
[15:53] <Laney> utlemming: ya, got that one, I meant a release notes type thing
[15:54] <utlemming> Laney: oh, right....
[15:54] <Laney> I just did s/1/2/ on the URLs basically
[16:16] <Laney> ... ready when you are ...
[16:45] <Laney> utlemming: ypwong: wxl: I'm out for a bit, would appreciate you testing/readying
[16:45] <Laney> I'll be back in a few hours
[16:47] <utlemming> Laney: I'm good to go
[16:47] <Laney> awesome
[16:47] <Laney> just waiting for lubuntu/kylin
[16:56] <xnox> Laney: are images done / no more respins? if that's the case, can you please lift the freeze?
[17:20] <wxl> Laney: sorry been a bit out of it due to rl issues. we've started testing on a2?
[17:28] <wxl> Laney: out of it as i said. i see that the release is scheduled to come out. we have full tests with no issues on desktop amd64/i386 but that's it. suggestions?
[17:49] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: hi, maybe you can help me. I got an email saying that 12.04 has a swapcount=1 parameter in the kernel options and not in 14.04. Do you aware of it? Do you know why it was removed?
[17:51] <pfsmorigo_> (if it was removed after all)
[17:54] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: I'm going to need more context than that.
[17:54] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: On the kernel commandline, in an fstab mount line, elsewhere?
[17:55] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: Anyhow, I see no such options being used on my 12.04 systems, so I'm not sure how we could have stopped using something we weren't using.
[17:56] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: Unless the argument is that the kernel stopped listening to that option when he supplies it himself?
[17:56] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: I guy here complained... "Do you know why on Ubuntu 14.04,  swapcount is disabled by default? It is enabled by default on 12.04."
[17:57] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: seems that it was an option hat used to be set in grub.cfg and know isn't anymore
[17:58] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: No.
[17:58] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: It was never in grub.cfg
[17:58] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: A quick googling suggest that maybe he's trying to play with memory.memsw.* variables, which are only exposed in swapcount=1, which is new in newer kernels.
[17:59] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: ok, good point
[17:59] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: makes sense
[18:00] <infinity> pfsmorigo_: In which case, he probably just wants to add "swapcount=1" to GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX in /etc/default/grub, run sudo update-grub and reboot.
[18:00] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: yep, I suggested that
[18:00] <pfsmorigo_> infinity: tks man
[18:52] <Laney> wxl: you can just release those if you want to
[18:53] <Laney> wxl: just mark those ones as ready
[18:55] <Laney> xnox: going to now, was hoping to hear back from the stragglers first
[19:03] <Laney> out for another couple of hours, hopefully will hear back from kylin then
[19:03] <Laney> wxl: I'll mark these two images as ready and you can just have an alpha with those
[19:05] <wxl> Laney: works thanks
[22:19] <Laney> blerg
[22:27] <Laney> I'll wait until tomorrow morning for kylin on the basis that it'll still be Thursday somewhere ...
[22:40] <JackYu> Laney, sorry for our delay. Expected to be done in half hour:)