[02:31] <bzoltan1> mhall119: that problem is the next in the pipeline. We are working on the wizard to help developers to set up their chroots and eulators on the first SDK start and on the project opening.
[03:30] <jhodapp> mhall119, media-hub makes the call to powerd to keep the screen turned on during video playback
[04:10] <pitti> achiang: hey Alex
[04:10] <achiang> pitti: guten morgan
[04:10] <achiang> morgen?
[04:11] <pitti> achiang: thomi says you had a question about whoopsie? (not my biggest area of expertise, but maybe I happen to know)
[04:11] <pitti> achiang: "Morgen", yes :)
[04:11] <thomi> ahh, German and their love of Capitals For Every Noun :)
[04:11] <nhaines> thomi: awfully nice when you're learning it though.  :)
[04:12] <thomi> nhaines: Just Capitalise All The Things!
[04:12] <achiang> pitti: we thought that whoopise should display an oops id in syslog, but no one could find it yesterday
[04:12] <achiang> pitti: the goal was to be able to find app crash reports on errors.ubuntu.com
[04:13] <pitti> achiang: try /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log?
[04:13] <pitti> my /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log.2.gz has
[04:13] <pitti> Uploading /var/crash/_bin_dash.1000.crash.
[04:13] <pitti> Sent; server replied with: No error
[04:13] <pitti> Response code: 200
[04:13] <pitti> Reported OOPS ID 4e11e74c-1706-11e4-b105-fa163e22e467
[04:14] <achiang> pitti: thanks. thomi - we are officially dumb!
[04:14] <thomi> heh
[04:14] <pitti> achiang: don't worry -- this changed just a few days ago
[04:15] <pitti> achiang: do you know about the errors.u.c. link that shows all your reports?
[04:16] <pitti> achiang: control-center -> Security & Data protection -> Diagnosis -> Show earlier reports (freely translated from German, YMMV)
[04:18] <achiang> pitti: very neat. thanks
[04:19] <achiang> pitti: it asks me to login?
[04:19] <pitti> achiang: yes, it's a per-user page, and crash reports are sensitive
[04:19] <achiang> pitti: makes sense. i'll log in later when i feel like opening lastpass on my desktop and typing in a 20 char modem noise ;)
[06:15] <achiang> pitti: hi, ok i'm ready to start tracking down some crashes... i logged into errors.ubuntu.com, but can't find the oops?
[06:16] <achiang> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7911732/
[06:16] <pitti> achiang: that's now something for bdmurray or ev, I'm afraid
[06:16] <achiang> pitti: fair enough. i should sleep then :)
[06:17] <achiang> pitti: do you know how to analyze it locally?
[06:17] <pitti> achiang: you can install apport-retrace on the device
[06:18] <pitti> achiang: then you can either use the apport-retrace command or pick "analyze locally" in the apport-cli menu
[06:18] <pitti> that will give you the option to retrace the .crash, or toss you into an interactive gdb session, both with all debug symbols
[06:18] <achiang> pitti: will it work on an amd64 host if i adb pull the crash log?
[06:19] <pitti> achiang: retracing yes; interactive gdb, no; but you need to collect the info through apport-cli
[06:19] <pitti> i. e. apport-cli foo.crash, show the details, then save
[06:19] <pitti> i. e. the .crash file needs to have "Package:" and "Dependencies:"
[06:20] <achiang> pitti: ok, thanks. i do indeed see a stack trace on my host
[06:53] <dholbach> good morning
[07:00] <nhaines> dholbach: good morning!
[07:00] <dholbach> hi nhaines
[07:38] <pitti> ogra_: hey Oli, guten Morgen
[07:38] <pitti> ev, ogra_: so on a freshly installed mako, /var/lib/apport/autoreport does not exist, and thus apport doesn't auto-upload
[07:38] <pitti> I suppose that flag file should be created during image build?
[07:39] <pitti> was that changed recently? (I just flashed 162, with complete wipe)
[07:43] <ogra_> nope
[07:44] <ogra_> pitti, so i guess we need a livecd-rootfs hook then
[07:44] <tvoss> mardy, ping
[07:44] <pitti> ogra_: I'm not sure how this is designed to work; it must be changeable from the privacy settings, thus be a writable file; so it's either image build or the first-time wizard?
[07:45] <pitti> ev: do you know what the design was for /var/lib/apport/autoreport? i. e. when/where to create/change it?
[07:45] <ogra_> should be at image build
[07:46] <ev> Yeah, it should be there as part of the image and deleted/recreated by the preferences page or the first use wizard.
[07:46] <ev> That was the intent anyway
[07:48] <jibel> pitti, maybe it is not created by the wizard because it crashes
[07:50] <ogra_> i'm not so sure the wizard creates it at all
[07:51] <ogra_> i have an install here sitting on build 111 ... that didnt have a wizard, the dir is writable and the file exists
[07:52] <pitti> I just flashed 162, and it's not there
[07:52] <ogra_> i dont see what would have initially created it though (and this istall never had the GUI used)
[07:53] <pitti> speaking of which, I just uploaded the three crashes which are there after a fresh install (upstart, the wizard, url-dispatcher)
[07:53] <pitti> ev: is there any way to go from https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/e57a4008-1886-11e4-a5f7-fa163e4ccdf2 to the "bug" page?
[07:54] <pitti> I puzzled together this URL from /var/log/upstart/whoopsie.log
[07:57] <ev> pitti: no, because it has a corrupt stacktrace. It can't generate a signature, so there's nothing to bucket against or link a bug to.
[07:58] <pitti> ev: ah, ok; usually there would be a link somewhere?
[07:58] <pitti> ev: so even after the recent apport and ddeb fixes we still can't retrace? :/
[07:59] <ev> You should be able to go from crash instance to bucket to bug by clicking successive links, yes.
[07:59] <ev> Not all retracing on armhf works yet, but bdmurray and team are making good progress. They have graphs
[08:03] <ev> pitti: if you still have the .crash it might make a good test case.
[08:07] <pitti> ev: yes, they are on my u phone
[08:11] <mterry> plars, poke when you're awake -- I'm going to see if I can reproduce that unlock failure
[08:13] <jibel> ogra_, pitti I filed bug 1350722
[08:35] <jibel> seb128, bug 1350734 is for your team ?
[08:39] <pete-woods> dholbach: hey :) I'd really like to get the scope publishing thing figured out asap
[08:40] <seb128> jibel, no
[08:40] <seb128> jibel, it's for kevin or pat's teams
[08:40] <seb128> pat owns settings
[08:40] <jibel> seb128, ok, thanks
[08:40] <pete-woods> dholbach: I'm happy to do any code changes to the review tools, I just need to know what the rules should be
[08:40] <seb128> but in practice mterry did most of the wizard work
[08:41] <jibel> seb128, yeah, that's what confuses me
[08:41] <dholbach> pete-woods, let me take a quick look
[08:41] <pete-woods> thanks!
[08:41] <mterry> seb128, jibel: marked as dup of bug 1335298
[08:42] <mterry> jibel, I have some ideas of what causes it, but haven't tracked it down yet.  Note that the crash isn't why you see the spinner -- that's expected regardless
[08:42] <pete-woods> dholbach: I think it's only chance that makes the current system work. It basically checks whether lists.ubuntu.com (email) is >= appname.ubuntu.com (package name)
[08:42] <pete-woods> which seems like a totally arbitrary check
[08:46] <pete-woods> it seems like all the special case checks should happen inside the check:
[08:46] <pete-woods>             elif domain_rev == pkg_domain_rev[:len(domain_rev)]:
[08:48] <mandel> Elleo, did you see any improvements with the last udm?
[09:05] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Uncommon Instrument Awareness Day!  :-D
[09:17] <mterry> mdeslaur, oh by the way -- on the topic of pam_tally2...  it doesn't provide any feedback at all that a UI might consider useful.  Things like "X more failures before something bad happens" or "adding a delay because of too many failures" or some such.  In order to implement the design for wipe-after-too-many-fails, I would need to know that "one more failure is bad" and even to make a delay after 5 failures look nice, it would be good to know
[09:17] <mterry> that's why PAM is taking a bit to respond, so we can tell the user.  Are we wedded to pam_tally2 vs a tally that the greeter keeps track of itself?
[09:20] <dholbach> pete-woods, jdstrand: https://code.launchpad.net/~dholbach/click-reviewers-tools/scope-email/+merge/228993
[09:21] <dholbach> pete-woods, do you know if anyone did a security review of the particular scope?
[09:24] <pete-woods> dholbach: no, so far it's just me who's looked at it
[09:25] <pete-woods> well, looked at == wrote
[09:25] <dholbach> pete-woods, because for 'accounts' we currently require reviews
[09:25] <dholbach> sorry, I mean for the security policy group
[09:25] <pete-woods> dholbach: sure, that makes sense
[09:26] <dholbach> pete-woods, is 'accounts' necessary in this case?
[09:26] <pete-woods> dholbach: well you're supposed to be able to log into your google account
[09:26] <pete-woods> and use your credentials for video recommendations, subscriptions
[09:26] <dholbach> ah ok, that makes sense then
[09:27] <pete-woods> dholbach: although technically that functionality isn't complete yet in the scope
[09:27] <pete-woods> but I need to finish it soon!
[09:27] <dholbach> in that case it might be easier to get the scope in now without 'accounts', ping the security team in the meantime and add the security policy group later on? if that makes sense
[09:28] <pete-woods> dholbach: if I get it reviewed this time, will it keep needing to be security reviewed in future?
[09:29] <dholbach> pete-woods, I don't think that's what happened with the core apps
[09:29] <pete-woods> dholbach: it might be sensible to get it approved this once, assuming it doesn't take days for the review
[09:29] <pete-woods> it basically wants read-only access to the user's youtube account
[09:31] <dholbach> pete-woods, with nobody of the security team here to give guidance, would it be possible to upload the scope for now without 'accounts' and then figure out the details with Jamie or anyone else later on?
[09:31] <dholbach> I wouldn't like to override the security team's request just now
[09:31] <pete-woods> dholbach: okay, that works for me
[09:32] <dholbach> pete-woods, thanks a bunch!
[10:32] <pete-woods> dholbach: just wanted to check if there was anything else you wanted me to change for the youtube upload? (if you're busy with other stuff, then sorry for nagging)
[10:45] <dholbach> pete-woods, no, it should just be the security policy
[10:47] <pete-woods> cool, well 1.0.3 has that change, so hopefully that is all good then :)
[10:50] <dholbach> pete-woods, approved
[10:55] <pete-woods> :D
[10:55] <dpm> Saviq, after your last e-mail on ubuntu-phone I can't stop thinking of http://i.imgur.com/SYcnzPL.jpg
[10:56] <mandel> Elleo, hello! did you get my message last night?
[10:56] <mandel> Elleo, were you able to test the udm bins?
[11:03] <Saviq> dpm, ;)
[11:12] <mdeslaur> mterry: can't the greeter use the tally2 database to figure that information out?
[11:13] <mterry> mdeslaur, it could use the pam_tally2 executable, yes...
[11:14] <mdeslaur> mterry: no, I mean use pam_tally2 with pam, but then look at the database to figure out how many tries are remaining, etc.
[11:14] <mterry> mdeslaur, database is binary, only API is the executable
[11:14] <mdeslaur> I gather we also need to display something like "your phone is locked for 5 minutes"
[11:15] <mterry> mdeslaur, I don't think it gives that sort of information though (about what the configuration is)
[11:15] <mterry> mdeslaur, that would be nice
[11:16] <mterry> mdeslaur, to do this via pam_tally2.so, I think we'd need two bits of info -- what the configuration is (parsing pam.d files) and what the current tally is (parsing pam_tally2 output)
[11:16] <mterry> We could maybe get away with *assuming* the config, but seems fragile
[11:16] <mdeslaur> the reason I wanted it to be done with pam is so that we get the same restrictions when using ssh or adb
[11:17] <mdeslaur> but I guess if the screen is locked, adb doesn't answer, so maybe we don't care
[11:18] <mterry> mdeslaur, is there any PAM api for the config?
[11:18]  * mterry doesn't want to bother following pam.d include directives and all that
[11:18] <mterry> seems like madness
[11:19] <mdeslaur> hrm, probably not
[11:19] <mdeslaur> perhaps it would be better to implement it in the greeter after all
[11:19] <mterry> I suppose for some features, like wiping your phone after X tries, pam_tally2 doesn't even have a config
[11:19] <mterry> But we could use a proxy value like "lock phone for 365 days" as a code for that
[11:20] <mdeslaur> does pam_tally2 provide any sort of feedback that the phone will be locked for 5 minutes?
[11:20] <mterry> mdeslaur, this is not the first time I've wished PAM was much more expressive and let modules feed back hints to the UI.  Things like display hints for a pin vs password would be lovely
[11:20] <mterry> mdeslaur, when I did a quick test, it just seemed to silently deny
[11:20] <mdeslaur> ugh
[11:21] <mdeslaur> I think not telling the user their phone is blocked is pretty much a showstopper
[11:21] <mdeslaur> mterry: what do you think>
[11:22] <mterry> mdeslaur, I am sympathetic to wanting it in PAM (that way we also affect anybody brute-forcing on command line).  But I don't think pam_tally2 is going to give us the info we want
[11:22] <mdeslaur> yeah
[11:22] <mdeslaur> that would have been too easy :)
[11:23] <mterry> mdeslaur, I can put the value in AccountsService (this is what I was going to do for wipe-logic).  For pre-split-greeter, we can allow user access to the field, but post-split-greeter, we can deny them write access to the failed-login count
[11:23] <mdeslaur> so...for an ideal situation...1- we write our own pam module that has a helper that the user can interrogate or 2- we implement it in the greeter
[11:24] <mterry> mdeslaur, true, I hadn't considered writing a PAM module
[11:24] <mdeslaur> for the phone, it can be in the greeter
[11:24] <mdeslaur> but at some point, we may want to move it
[11:25] <mterry> mdeslaur, we could fork pam_tally2 and add an associated daemon?
[11:25] <mdeslaur> once we become more converged
[11:25] <mterry> mdeslaur, or patch pam_tally2
[11:25] <mterry> to feed a new daemon the info it needs
[11:25] <mdeslaur> yeah
[11:25] <mterry> mdeslaur, but yeah I'm selfishly interested in a quick and dirty solution for now...
[11:25] <mdeslaur> or at least store the current settings along with the status in whatever database file it uses
[11:26] <mdeslaur> and then accountsservice could be extended to read that database file for interrogation
[11:26] <mdeslaur> mterry: but I'm ok with having it in the greeter for now
[11:26] <mdeslaur> mterry: if that's what you mean
[11:26] <mterry> mdeslaur, yeah that was my quick and dirty
[11:27] <mdeslaur> we need to discuss all the authentication bits more thoroughly post rtm and converged
[11:27] <mdeslaur> anyway
[11:27] <mterry> mdeslaur, keep config in greeter, store tally in a private AccountsService field, and we could change in future easily enough.  If we ever change the tally backend, it's not the end of the world to wipe the tally count
[11:27] <mdeslaur> yeah, no big deal
[11:28] <mdeslaur> I'm don't think using dbus and stuff from a pam module is a sane thing to do
[11:28] <mdeslaur> but we can figure it out then
[11:28] <mdeslaur> and like you say, even if we change, losing count is no big deal
[11:28] <mterry> mdeslaur, well when we write a pam module for this, we don't need to go via AS
[11:28] <mterry> mdeslaur, but I thought some pam modules already use DBus?
[11:29]  * mterry can't remember which
[11:29] <mdeslaur> do they? maybe
[11:29] <mterry> mdeslaur, the pam module that GNOME wants to write for PIN support would I think, if I read their plans correctly.
[11:29] <mterry> mdeslaur, maybe existing ones don't
[11:29] <mdeslaur> well, I did say sane :)
[11:29] <mterry> heh
[11:30] <mterry> mdeslaur, OK thanks for the discussion
[11:30]  * mterry goes ahead
[11:30] <mdeslaur> cool, thanks mterry
[12:18] <popey> mandel: do you work on powerd? (specifically bug 1342351 is looking for someone to triage)
[12:20] <jhodapp> ogra_, did the lxc-android-config change you helped me with yesterday make it into 161 or 162?
[12:21] <ogra_> jhodapp, http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ shows it in 161
[12:21] <jhodapp> ogra_, I guess I can find out, updating right now
[12:21] <jhodapp> perfect, I'll double check it
[12:32] <jdstrand> pete-woods and dholbach: so, accounts is a reserved policy group right now and not available to app developers. it is allowed for Canonical employees, so I don't have a problem letting it in if this is a Canonical supported scope. that said, accounts should become a common policy group as soon as mardy's online accounts/trust session work is done
[12:32] <jdstrand> and that is currently supposed to happen for rtm
[12:32] <pete-woods> jdstrand: cool, thanks for reading back :) I was hoping this would be the case
[12:33] <jdstrand> mardy: is that still on track? ^
[12:33] <pete-woods> jdstrand: did you get chance to fix the cache dir permissions in the scope template, btw?
[12:34] <pete-woods> ah yes
[12:34] <pete-woods> I see you did
[12:34] <jdstrand> pete-woods: yes, uploaded in apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu  1.2.13
[12:34] <pete-woods> oh no
[12:34] <pete-woods> cool
[12:34]  * pete-woods misread log for a second there
[12:35] <jdstrand> pete-woods: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/utopic/+source/apparmor-easyprof-ubuntu/1.2.13
[12:35] <pete-woods> :)
[12:35] <jdstrand> :)
[12:35] <pete-woods> yeah, I clicked on 1.2.12 by mistake
[12:35] <pete-woods> :$
[12:35] <jdstrand> I had another request shortly after that upload
[12:35] <jdstrand> ah, 1.2.14 is latest and it wouldn't have been too enlightening either
[12:36] <jdstrand> :)
[12:37] <dholbach> jdstrand, thanks for the quick review
[12:38] <jdstrand> dholbach: of the MR? sure thing! :)
[12:38] <jorge133> Hi all! I have a fast quesiton: Where can I find the phone releases (like r133, r163, etc) and changelogs?
[12:40] <popey> jorge133: http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/
[12:40] <popey> jorge133: http://system-image.ubuntu.com/
[12:41] <jorge133> Thanks, I just now seeing that it's in the header :)
[12:42] <jorge133> What are the difference between mako, flo, mantra and gerenic?
[12:43] <ogra_> they are for specific devices
[12:43] <ogra_> (and will only run on the respective hardware)
[12:44] <jorge133> thanks :)
[12:46] <mandel> popey, not yet, sorry, ping ChickenCutlass to see who to assign that
[12:57] <Saviq> ogra_, did you see my question about reducing ubuntu boot image? it doesn't fit on flo recovery partition any more, so dual boot is impossible on it :|
[12:58] <ogra_> Saviq, i thought i even answered
[12:58] <Saviq> ogra_, oh, then must've been me who missed the answer
[12:58]  * Saviq reads logs
 ogra_, hey, stupid question... do you know/think we could reduce the boot image size? it doesn't fit on flo's recovery partition any more, which means dual booting flo is impossible now
 how much is it over ?
 (if it is megabytes i fear there isnt anything we can do )
[12:59] <Saviq> ogra_, good question, how do I find out do you think?
[13:02] <ogra_> -rw-r--r-- 1 ogra ogra 3,3M Jul 27 04:06 initrd.img-touch-0.74
[13:02] <ogra_> so the initrd is 3.3M
[13:03] <Saviq> ondra-, do you know the recovery size on flo?
[13:06] <ogra_> -rw------- 1 ogra ogra 6,8M Jul 16 13:25 boot/vmlinuz-3.4.0-3-flo
[13:06] <ogra_> so in summary that makes ~10M
[13:07] <ogra_> Saviq, looks like the kernel grew wiht the last build
[13:08] <ogra_> i doubt there is anything we can do apart from dropping kernel options or some such
[13:08] <Saviq> ondra-, ↑ :|
[13:09] <Saviq> we need a smart boot
[13:11] <ogra_> Saviq, hmm, seems the initrd also grew a bit (i guess due to xnox re-arranging plymouth)
[13:12] <jorge133> I know what is stable channel. But what are difference between devel and devel proposed?
[13:15] <ogra_> stable is a dead end that carries very old (but stable ... as in not changing)images
[13:15] <ogra_> if you want something that is up to date and usable you use the devel channel ... if you like to ive on the edge with totally untested stuff you use devel-proposed
[13:16] <Laney> tvoss: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7914486/ - seen this?
[13:17] <jorge133> thanks ogra :)
[13:17] <tvoss> Laney, nope
[13:18] <tvoss> Laney, where is that from?
[13:18] <Laney> was building gst-bad but it seems to be entirely in platform-api
[13:19] <tvoss> Laney, hmmm, that's weird. jhodapp ^, got an idea?
[13:20] <janimo> barry, around?
[13:20] <jhodapp> tvoss, Laney, that's news to me...what exactly do you mean by it being in platform-api? are you talking about the source package?
[13:20] <barry> janimo: yep!
[13:21] <janimo> barry, I'd like to get some guidance on how to write the test for the --skip-ssl-verify  MR
[13:21] <Laney> jhodapp: I don't think it's your problem
[13:21] <janimo> barry, which test to use as a starting point
[13:21] <tvoss> Laney, because you were pointing to gst-bad
[13:21] <jhodapp> Laney, ok
[13:22] <Laney> tvoss: That's what I was building but I don't think it is at fault
[13:22] <Laney> the same struct is defined twice
[13:23] <jhodapp> Laney, oh sorry, missed the bug report
[13:23] <tvoss> Laney, seems to me the _deprecated header is the offending bit here
[13:23] <jhodapp> yes, agreed tvoss
[13:23] <Laney> seems so
[13:27] <mhall119> jhodapp: is media-hub used for HTML5 video playback?
[13:28] <jhodapp> mhall119, you mean in Oxide?
[13:31] <mhall119> jhodapp: hmmm, hadn't thought of that, does it make a difference whether it's oxide or webkit?
[13:31] <Laney> jhodapp: btw this was me building gst-bad 1.4 with your stuff rebased
[13:32] <jhodapp> mhall119, no I just mean that you're asking if it uses media-hub to play video back in our web browser app
[13:32] <jhodapp> Laney, ah ok, thanks
[13:33] <mhall119>   jhodapp somebody was asking about it yesterday, they were playing a video in an HTML5 app and the screen was turning off on them
[13:33] <mhall119> I'm not sure our HTML5 app launcher is using oxide yet though
[13:34] <jhodapp> mhall119, well if it's either browser backend, they don't use media-hub
[13:34] <jhodapp> mhall119, and as a result, yes they will not prevent the screen from blanking
[13:45] <robotfuel> Wellark: ping
[13:46] <Wellark> ToyKeeper: ponh
[13:46] <Wellark> whoops
[13:46] <Wellark> robotfuel: pong
[13:46] <Wellark> off by one
[13:47] <robotfuel> Wellark: this is the most common crash the phone has currently. can you triage it? https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/indicator-network/indicator-network-service%3A6%3A__gnu_cxx%3A%3A__verbose_terminate_handler%3A__cxxabiv1%3A%3A__terminate%3Astd%3A%3Aterminate%3A__cxxabiv1%3A%3A__cxa_throw%3Acore%3A%3Adbus%3A%3ABus%3A%3Asend_with_reply_and_block_for_at_most
[13:47] <jgdx> Laney, mind checking https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/phone-settings/+merge/228620 again? I've renamed the schema.
[13:47] <jgdx> thanks
[13:49] <Wellark> robotfuel: oh, good. an actual stacktrace! \o/ :D
[13:50] <robotfuel> Wellark: yes, not easy to get :P
[13:50] <Laney> jgdx: isn't it "Mapping from modem paths to SIM names"?
[13:50] <Laney> i.e. the other way around
[13:51] <Wellark> robotfuel: I guess you can't get me the what() of that std::runtime_error :)
[13:51] <Wellark> robotfuel: ok, I will take a look
[13:52] <Wellark> at least I can catch the exception to stop it from leaking, but would be nice to know what actually goes wrong
[13:53] <Wellark> robotfuel: oh, it's hitting hard
[13:53] <jgdx> Laney, oops. Pushd r42
[13:53] <robotfuel> Wellark: most of these I assume are invalid password attempts to log in to my neighbors wireless routers, as the test is randomly clicking and swiping.
[13:53] <seb128> jgdx, you have a spacing issue as well, just commented
[13:53] <Wellark> robotfuel: :D
[13:54] <Wellark> robotfuel: be careful. in some countries it's illegal to log to your neightbors free wifi :)
[13:55] <robotfuel> Wellark: it's okay in New Hampshire where I live. :D
[13:56] <Wellark> robotfuel: are you able to reproduce this reliably?
[13:56] <robotfuel> Wellark: yes 15 times yesterday
[13:56] <robotfuel> Wellark: I didn't reproduce it.. the random clicking and swiping test did.
[13:57] <robotfuel> Wellark: fixing this will help improve our time before crash happens the most.
[13:57] <ogra_> Saviq, did the sensitive area for the left edge change somehow ? i find it hard to type on the most left column of the keyboard ...
[13:57] <Saviq> ogra_, shouldn't have
[13:57] <Saviq> ogra_, it was always kind of difficult to do anything near the edges (2gu)
[13:57] <Saviq> ah wait
[13:58] <ogra_> my password has an "a" in it ... i havent managed once to hit it on the first tap
[13:58] <ogra_> always need to be very precise to make it recognized
[13:58] <jgdx> seb128, puushed r43
[13:59] <seb128> jgdx, thanks
[14:00] <Saviq> ogra_, I think one thing changed indeed
[14:01] <Saviq> ogra_, the launcher is now on top of the keyboard
[14:01] <Saviq> ogra_, let me have a chat with designers here
[14:01] <ogra_> Saviq, ah, that might cause it
[14:01] <Saviq> ogra_, can you please file a bug against unity8 and ubuntu-ux in the mean time?
[14:01] <ogra_> Saviq, well, try it yourself ... set a passwor in 162 and try to unlock
[14:01] <ogra_> ok
[14:07] <seb128> jgdx, oh, if I was to nitpick, one of your key descriptions ends with a "." and not the other ones, being consistent would be nicer
[14:10] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, we'll just put the edge detection below OSK for now
[14:15] <ogra_> Saviq, great, thanks
[14:17] <jgdx> seb128, in Norway we say, "Skal det være, så skal det være." Is it too late for me to push now?
[14:19] <Saviq> ogra_, file the bug anyway please (didn't see it)
[14:19] <ogra_> havent filed it yet
[14:19] <ogra_> :)
[14:19] <Saviq> ;)
[14:19] <seb128> jgdx, no it's not
[14:19] <K1773R> is a SIM needed to test ubuntu-touch?
[14:19] <seb128> jgdx, we do manually landing, until somebody gets your change built in a silo and landed you can push changes
[14:19] <t1mp> K1773R: no
[14:20] <K1773R> t1mp: ty
[14:20] <jgdx> seb128, k, thanks for the review.
[14:20] <seb128> jgdx, yw!
[14:21] <ogra_> Saviq, bug 1350881
[14:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, wanna take a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/sim-name-editor/+merge/229053 and https://code.launchpad.net/~jonas-drange/ubuntu-system-settings/1219793-reset ?
[14:24] <kenvandine> i was just looking at the sim-name-editor branch
[14:24] <jgdx> kenvandine, cool
[14:29] <kenvandine> seb128, when do you think jgdx's schema changes will land?
[14:29] <seb128> kenvandine, when it's reayd
[14:29] <seb128> :p
[14:29] <kenvandine> haha
[14:30] <kenvandine> you top approved it :)
[14:30] <seb128> kenvandine, we can do a landing now if you want
[14:30] <kenvandine> it'd be nice... i'm reviewing his settings branch that needs it
[14:30] <kenvandine> would make it easier to test it, etc
[14:30] <kenvandine> we also need a gsettings-qt landing
[14:32] <bdmurray> achiang: you can look up the OOPS ID as seen in line 6 of your pastebin https://errors.ubuntu.com/oops/4923130e-1879-11e4-ab04-fa163e339c81
[14:32] <bdmurray> achiang: at the bottom of that page we can see "Problem: ... failed"
[14:33] <bdmurray> achiang: that's a link to the bucket - https://errors.ubuntu.com/bucket/?id=failed%3A/usr/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/qt5/bin/qmlscene%3A6%3A/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc-2.19.so%2B178e6%3A/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc-2.19.so%2B2605e%3A/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc-2.19.so%2B26d4e%3A/lib/arm-linux-gnueabihf/libc-2.19.so%2B4f838
[14:33] <bdmurray> achiang: and that OOPS in the only instance of it
[14:34] <seb128> kenvandine, k, I can do those now
[14:34] <kenvandine> seb128, you rock!
[14:34] <seb128> ;-)
[14:34] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/lp1349787/+merge/228841
[14:34] <seb128> kenvandine, question for you btw
[14:34] <kenvandine> sure
[14:35] <seb128> kenvandine, how are you supposed to access content-hub on images from the webbroser? clicking on a png url opens the image in the webbrowser, it doesn't give you the "open with" screen
[14:35] <seb128> I tried to hold the click to get the other actions
[14:35] <seb128> but that doesn't include it
[14:35] <kenvandine> it should have a "Save"
[14:36] <kenvandine> when you long hold on  the image
[14:36] <seb128> where?
[14:36] <seb128> oh, once the image is open
[14:36] <kenvandine> yeah
[14:36] <seb128> not on the link?
[14:36] <seb128> let me try
[14:36] <kenvandine> not the link
[14:36] <seb128> k, I didn't want to open the image, so I didn't even try there
[14:36] <kenvandine> you can also long press on any image
[14:36] <kenvandine> i think
[14:36] <kenvandine> without opening it
[14:37] <seb128> well, that was an url
[14:37] <seb128> not an image in a page
[14:37] <kenvandine> Elleo, ^^ why can't we trigger the download when long press on a link?
[14:37] <kenvandine> s/when/with
[14:37] <seb128> kenvandine, I tested on http://people.canonical.com/~seb128
[14:37] <seb128> there is an image in there
[14:39] <seb128> kenvandine, holding press on the image works, thanks ;-)
[14:39] <kenvandine> np
[14:39] <kenvandine> :)
[14:59] <sil2100> boiko, renatou: I would need to free up silo 15, we're low on silos and I see it's marked as a test silo
[14:59] <sil2100> boiko, renatou: would that be ok?
[15:00] <boiko> sil2100: we are trying to land that toda, so not sure :/
[15:00] <boiko> today
[15:00] <sil2100> Ah ;)
[15:00] <sil2100> Ok then, let me look for some other silo then :)
[15:02] <boiko> sil2100: in case you really need it, ping us again
[15:07] <grego123> Hi! How can I set a language on Ubuntu Touch?
[15:07] <ogra_> in the language settings
[15:09] <grego123> but it is only temporary, If I restart the emualator it is english again
[15:09] <grego123> and the apps are english always
[15:09] <ogra_> oh, i dont know about the emulator ... it is definitely working on devices
[15:11] <grego123> I think I found the solution: https://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com/msg05653.html
[15:11] <ogra_> Saviq, there is also bug 1350862 if you didnt see it yet
[15:12] <mpt> Chipaca, hi, MacSlow just told dferrai that apps can’t trigger vibrations as notifications after all. Can you and he come to an agreement, please?
[15:13] <K1773R> is it normal that the 3 buttons at the bottom cant be used?
[15:15] <popey> K1773R: what 3 buttons?
[15:15] <K1773R> the "touch buttons", go back, home and the other one
[15:15] <popey> we dont support those
[15:15] <K1773R> i c
[15:15] <K1773R> so everything is fine :)
[15:16] <ogra_> actual phones you will be ablet to buy with ubuntu will most likely not have such buttons at all
[15:16] <MacSlow> mpt, there's currently no (hint) support for making notifications trigger a vibration upon display
[15:16] <K1773R> i have no need for them, thats fine. just figuring out how to control it
[15:17] <ogra_> use the edges luke ;)
[15:17] <MacSlow> Chipaca, mpt: while it is on the roadmap, it's waiting for a proper system-wide API to be based on.
[15:19] <MacSlow> Chipaca, mpt: that's the current state
[15:21] <mpt> thanks MacSlow
[15:21] <achiang> bdmurray: thanks. i was use errors.u.c/user/ which is obviously wrong :)
[15:21] <mpt> Chipaca, so are you asking me to design settings for this API that doesn’t exist yet? Or is there some other API that MacSlow doesn’t know about? :-)
[15:22] <Saviq> ogra_, yeah, we saw that and investigating
[15:22] <seb128> kenvandine, can you update the description on https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/anchorkeyboard/+merge/228886 ?
[15:22] <kenvandine> sure
[15:23] <seb128> thanks
[15:23] <cwayne> mterry: hey, so i tried an upstart job to set the language so that the greeter would pick it up, no worky though.  any ideas? http://paste.ubuntu.com/7915340/
[15:24] <mterry> cwayne, is this system or user job?
[15:24] <cwayne> mterry: user
[15:24] <cwayne> does it need to be system?
[15:24] <mterry> cwayne, the lightdm job is system, so yeha
[15:24] <cwayne> crap
[15:26] <kenvandine> seb128, done, hopefully that's better
[15:26] <cwayne> mterry: hm just cpied it to /etc/init manually and rebooted, still no dice
[15:27] <mterry> cwayne, right, because you have $USER and $HOME and stuff that won't work in system land
[15:27] <grego123> Hey, If I am right I can access the "reboot/power off" dialog by pressing f7 on emulator. But for me it doesn't work. It is just freezing out.
[15:27] <mterry> cwayne, so hardcode some stuff
[15:28] <cwayne> blargh, why is it so difficult to preseed a language :/
[15:34] <seb128> kenvandine, yes, thanks ;-)
[15:38] <seb128> mterry, the button color change, do you know if anyone is working on using symbolic names for those colors?
[15:38] <seb128> like "actionColor"
[15:38] <mterry> seb128, I *know* right
[15:38] <seb128> rather than hardcoding "blue"
[15:39] <seb128> if our theme change one day, do we just update all apps?
[15:39] <mterry> seb128, not to my knowledge.  I know we've complained about it between engineers, but I'm not sure whether the sdk guys have seen a bug or what not.  Saviq, we talked about this ^
[15:39] <ogra_> "actionColor" ... i like that ... sounds like it waers a bullet belt
[15:40] <ratakill> hi guys i have this problem:  Device herring not found on server https://system-image.ubuntu.com channel trusty
[15:40] <ratakill> someome can help me??
[15:41] <daker> charles: hi, ju
[15:42] <daker> charles: just want to know if you need any additional infos for bug 1350401
[15:42] <daker> before i try to fix the time on my phone
[15:43] <seb128> Saviq, mterry: I couldn't find an open bug, so registered https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-ui-toolkit/+bug/1350915
[15:43] <ogra_> ratakill, "herring" is not a supported device
[15:43] <mterry> seb128, thanks for taking action where I only griped  :)
[15:44] <seb128> nw ;-)
[15:44] <ogra_> seb128, i'd propose chuckNorrisColor instead of actionColor though
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, no welcome!  :(  so mean
[15:44] <seb128> ogra_, lol
[15:44] <mterry> oh no worries
[15:44] <mterry> :)
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, doh :p
[15:44] <seb128> indeed
[15:44] <Saviq> seb128, thanks, confirmed
[15:45] <Saviq> seb128, what I'd like best is that we amended the list of colors that you can use in normal color: "foo" situations
[15:45] <Saviq> seb128, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do that in Qt
[15:46] <K1773R> when i swipe away an application, is it terminated, paused or does it continue to run?
[15:47] <ogra_> paused
[15:49] <cwayne> mterry: hardcoded stuff, and got: Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.UnknownMethod: No such interface 'org.freedesktop.Accounts.User' on object at path /org/freedesktop/Accounts/User32011
[15:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, are you able to make uss?
[15:51] <mterry> cwayne, I bet AccountsService isn't up yet -- you should...  uh.  I don't know the correct way to dbus-activate something from shell.  Try asking for the current value as a throwaway line, then try setting.  I think this is a known bug with accountsservice, that it doesn't handle the first request after waking it up well
[15:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, trunk that is
[15:54] <ratakill> oh well thanks for all guys have a good day
[16:05] <cwayne> mterry: i dont suppose we could just have the wizard get its language from a dconf key :P
[16:06] <mterry> cwayne, naw man.  we have enough different places to store language as is
[16:06] <mterry> cwayne, did the 'fake out AS first' trick work?
[16:06] <cwayne> mterry: nope
[16:07] <mterry> cwayne, :(
[16:07] <pmcgowan> charles, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-location/+bug/1348334 fixed as https://bugs.launchpad.net/indicator-location/+bug/1338610 has been marked released?
[16:08] <charles> pmcgowan, no. The issue is that com.ubuntu.location.Service isn't available / can't be launched on the bus, and when that happens indicator-location winds up being a frontend to nothing
[16:09] <charles> pmcgowan, tvoss is investigating what's going wrong with com.ubuntu.location.Service
[16:09] <pmcgowan> ah ok
[16:10] <taiebot> Has anyone notice battery consumption higher than normally on r162 ? After EOD i am already at 18% normally i am more on 50-60%
[16:10] <charles> pmcgowan, 1338610 is related in that it  prevents platform-api from crashing when com.ubuntu.location.Service isn't available, but the fix for kenvandine's bug #1348334 will be to make the service available
[16:13] <K1773R> im unable to install some cli tools with apt-get install due to /var/cache/apt not being writable
[16:16] <jgdx> pmcgowan, are you able to make uss trunk?
[16:20] <seb128> kenvandine, jgdx: schemas change landed
[16:20] <tvoss> pmcgowan, charles the location service should not crash anymore as per https://bugs.launchpad.net/location-service/+bug/1347887
[16:21] <tvoss> pmcgowan, charles I checked that the service is up on boot
[16:33] <derek-g> we are all waiting for an ubuntu phone guys. just saying.
[16:34] <popey> and we're still building it
[16:34] <ogra_> and it just got delayed by another hour
[16:34] <popey> s/hour/week/
[16:34] <ogra_> :)
[16:37] <derek-g> I've made a decision not to hold for Ubuntu phone - no matter what. So if my current phone breaks - I'll be shit outta luck.
[16:37] <derek-g>  Probbaly gonna be fired too, cuz my alarm is on the phone there and my boss won't be able to call me. And then I'm probably gonna be kicked
[16:37] <derek-g> from ,my apartment for non-paying rent cuz I was fired - so I'll probably end up being a hobo doing tricks for money. Still - small price to pay.
[16:39] <derek-g>  /not to/to/s
[16:40] <ogra_> derek-g, well, at least you will have a phone someone can take videos with while you do your tricks for money ... and become a rich youtube star
[16:41] <derek-g> ogra_, I KNOW - RIGHT!!!!
[16:42] <genii> Meizu says on their site that their MX3 will come with an OTA update to Ubuntu Touch when it becomes available
[16:42] <seb128> kenvandine, do you think you could land https://code.launchpad.net/~larsu/gsettings-qt/lp1349787/+merge/228841 ? not sure I can properly test that before travelling tomorrow
[16:44] <derek-g> genii, where????
[16:44] <pmcgowan> jgdx, I have not done a build in some time
[16:45] <genii> derek-g: On their forums. Was reading it just yesterday
[16:45] <derek-g> genii, u have a link?
[16:45] <ogra_> seb128, oh, i meant to ping you about that .... http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/161.changes ... is that droppage of teh schemas expected ?
[16:45] <kenvandine> seb128, sure
[16:45] <pmcgowan> tvoss, means we are all set then?
[16:45] <genii> derek-g: Sure, give me a couple minutes to find it again
[16:45] <seb128> kenvandine, thanks
[16:46] <tvoss> pmcgowan, leaving it to charles for the last call
[16:46] <pmcgowan> seb128, have a great trip, should be interesting
[16:46] <pmcgowan> tvoss, ok
[16:47] <charles> tvoss, if com.ubuntu.location.Service is running or launchable, indicator-location should work out of the box
[16:47] <charles> tvoss, what last call are you wanting me to look at?
[16:48] <tvoss> charles, telling me if the bug is fixed during smoketesting :)
[16:48] <seb128> pmcgowan, thanks
[16:48] <charles> tvoss, ok :)
[16:49] <charles> tvoss, is the location service fix in an image now?
[16:49] <tvoss> yup, landed
[16:50] <genii> derek-g: http://forum.meizu.com/viewthread.php?tid=16997&extra=page%3D1 post #3
[17:04] <jgdx> pmcgowan, okay, seems like its failing for people (me and elopio)
[17:05] <pmcgowan> jgdx, whats the error?
[17:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, are you looking at your test failures in the sim-editor branch?
[17:08] <kenvandine> jgdx, they're mostly from the cellular panel
[17:15] <jgdx> pmcgowan, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7915420/
[17:15] <jgdx> kenvandine, looking
[17:18] <pmcgowan> jgdx, laney landed a change to the dependencies on qtmir yesterday, may be related?
[17:18] <pmcgowan> not sure how
[17:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, I am unable to build uss so I can't look. However, could be failing due to the missing schema.
[17:20] <kenvandine> ah... your branch should include a depends then
[17:20] <kenvandine> for the version that just landed
[17:20] <kenvandine> (>= 0.0.2+14.10.20140731)
[17:23] <jgdx> kenvandine, also, new gsettings-qt. The app segfaults without that.
[17:25] <jgdx> pmcgowan, you're right, thanks
[17:26] <pmcgowan> oh cool
[17:29] <cwayne> beuno: hi, im getting an error whenever i try to install an app from the store with a certain account -- any ideas?
[17:34] <jgdx> pmcgowan, I guess there's a lag between a branch landing and build-dep knowing about new deps?
[17:35] <pmcgowan> jgdx, I see
[17:36] <beuno> cwayne, lets look. What kind of error?
[17:37] <cwayne> beuno: it just says "Download or install failed"
[17:37] <beuno> cwayne, I'll check the logs
[17:37] <cwayne> beuno: account was ubuntu.tester.001@gmail.com
[17:43] <beuno> cwayne, I'll look into it, see if there's any logs
[17:43] <beuno> otherwise, could be the client
[17:48] <K1773R> im unable to install some cli tools with apt-get install due to /var/cache/apt not being writable. i want to install htop as example
[17:53] <cwayne> beuno: it worked with a different account though
[17:55] <beuno> cwayne, but maybe it's trying to use the other credentials?
[17:55] <beuno> cwayne, is the failing account new?
[17:56] <cwayne> no
[17:56] <cwayne> its what I had first
[17:56] <cwayne> then removed and tried my real account, then it worked
[17:56] <MoPac> Hello. I am looking to troubleshoot multitouch support on a hybrid notebook running Ubuntu Desktop x64. Is this the right place, or should I be looking in plain #ubuntu?
[17:57] <MoPac> (I'm not sure whether the touch driver/interface development and such is going straight into the main Ubuntu stack, or if this channel is really still dealing with a very separate project)
[17:59] <robotfuel> as anyone run into a problem after flashing an n4 where they are stuck on the google text screen and it won't boot?
[18:00] <robotfuel> I have 2 mako's stuck on the same google screen after flashing with --bootstrap.
[18:01] <robotfuel> plars: fginther: ^ have you seen phones in ci that are stuck on the google text screen? do you know workarounds?
[18:01] <plars> robotfuel: which image?
[18:02] <plars> robotfuel: does it actually boot, can you reach it with adb?
[18:02] <robotfuel> plars: I tried with today's proposed and stable
[18:02] <robotfuel> plars: it boot's with a device id of 0123456789ABCDEF
[18:02] <plars> robotfuel: 163 has just kicked off, but the earlier one today (162) went fine in the lab
[18:02] <plars> robotfuel: ahh, that's bad
[18:03] <plars> robotfuel: is it the only device you have connected?
[18:03] <robotfuel> plars: yes
[18:03] <plars> robotfuel: you can try forcing it into fastboot and retrying the provisioning with --bootstrap
[18:03] <robotfuel> plars: I tried --bootstrap with no success :(
[18:04] <plars> robotfuel: you tried again? could you tell at what point it was getting stuck?
[18:04] <plars> robotfuel: does adb say it's in device or recovery state?
[18:04] <robotfuel> plars: I am reflashing now, I can update in a minute
[18:05] <plars> robotfuel: this is a mako I guess?
[18:05] <robotfuel> plars: yes
[18:05] <pindonga> cwayne, hi there, beuno told me you had some issues installing apps?
[18:06] <plars> robotfuel: we did see a case a while back where several of the devices got into a very weird state. Going into fastboot and doing 'fastboot format userdata' fixed it for us. You may try that if all else fails
[18:06] <cwayne> pindonga: yep, only with a certain account though
[18:06] <pindonga> cwayne, what error do you get?
[18:06] <pindonga> this is on the phone itself, I guess, right?
[18:06] <pindonga> what app?
[18:07] <robotfuel> plars: okay I'll try that next thanks
[18:07] <cwayne> pindonga: any app, the only error i get is that "Download or install failed"
[18:07] <pindonga> cwayne, what account?
[18:08] <cwayne> pindonga: ubuntu.tester.001@gmail.com
[18:08] <pindonga> ack, will see what info I can gather
[18:13] <pindonga> cwayne, so, I think I know what the issue might be.. can I ask you to do some actions to confirm it?
[18:13] <pindonga> cwayne, we found a bug where non-verified sso accounts can't download/install apps
[18:13] <cwayne> pindonga: sure thing
[18:13] <pindonga> and this account of yours is not-verified
[18:14] <pindonga> this was fixed on staging already but is not on production
[18:14] <pindonga> we plan to go to prod with this fix early next week
[18:14] <pindonga> so for the actions to confirm the issue
[18:14] <pindonga> when you registered that sso account you should have received an email with a link to confirm the account
[18:14] <pindonga> if you can find that, could you click on that link ?
[18:15] <pindonga> alternatively, you can login to https://login.ubuntu.com and you can request confirmation from the "emails" page
[18:15] <cwayne> pindonga: found it
[18:16] <pindonga> once you've confirmed the account, try to install the app again
[18:16] <cwayne> pindonga: hm, now its saying my password's wrong
[18:17] <pindonga> cwayne, you're clicking on the link, or via the web page?
[18:17] <pindonga> try to login first, to make sure your passwd is ok
[18:18] <cwayne> i can't login at all anywhere, using the same credentials i used to test like an hour ago...
[18:19] <pindonga> cwayne, make sure you're logging in with the right account; to do that, log out of sso completely
[18:19] <cwayne> pindonga: im in incognito, so shouldnt be logged into anything
[18:20] <pindonga> ah, you can't use sso in incognito mode
[18:20] <pindonga> as it relies on certain headers being sent
[18:21] <cwayne> ah, thatd do it
[18:25] <pindonga> cwayne, I see you confirmed the account now... did you manage to test install too?
[18:25] <cwayne> pindonga: trying now
[18:26] <cwayne> pindonga: worked!
[18:26] <cwayne> thank you!
[18:27] <pindonga> cool, np
[18:27] <cwayne> mterry: btw, i got it working :D
[18:27] <pindonga> glad we managed to confirm the bug too
[18:27] <mterry> cwayne, you are the best!
[18:27] <mterry> cwayne, how?
[18:27] <pindonga> cwayne, this should land on prod sometime next week
[18:27] <cwayne> pindonga: wonderful, thank you!
[18:27] <cwayne> mterry: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7916685/
[18:27] <cwayne> mterry: in /custom/xdg/config/upstart no less :D
[18:28] <mterry> cwayne, I would urge also setting Language for correctness
[18:28] <mterry> cwayne, does it also affect translation of wizard itself?
[18:29]  * mterry doubts it would
[18:29] <cwayne> mterry: it seems fine without it
[18:30] <mterry> cwayne, yeah, because USS prefers FormatsLocale, but I can't promise some other piece of code either today or tomorrow won't look at Language
[18:30] <cwayne> mterry: well, the thinking is, the wizard itself sets the language doesnt it?
[18:31] <cwayne> mterry: the wizard seems to set .pam_environment, so really all we need to do is set the default for the wizard, and then it does the rest
[18:31] <cwayne> but regardless, I'll set language anyway
[18:31] <mterry> cwayne, fair...
[18:31] <mterry> still
[18:31]  * mterry is easily nervous
[18:31] <cwayne> i'll set both :)
[18:34] <cwayne> mterry: just tried, worked like a charm
[18:34]  * cwayne is elated that he didn't have to do this in /etc/init
[18:34] <mterry> cwayne, awesome
[18:46] <taiebot> hey testing emergency number looks like if you do a right edge swipe you can break the app and never use it anymore on r162. I would also like a request would be nice if i could allow few numbers to be called on emergency. I would quite like if i had an accident/lost my phone that my friends/family or my self could still be contacted
[19:10] <achiang> is creating a click chroot taking a ridiculously long time for anyone else?
[19:10] <achiang> stuck on Retrieving packages... for long time
[19:17] <achiang> ok, finally seems to be unstuck. whew
[19:29] <Wellark> jdstrand: I need your help tomorrow or next week or something
[19:29] <Wellark> I have a dbus service to confine
[19:30]  * Wellark needs to implement it first
[19:35] <robotfuel> mardy: ping
[19:36] <robotfuel> mardy: I have this crasher that I need to make sure gets fixed, it looks like you're the most active in the signon-ui can you triage? https://bugs.launchpad.net/signon-ui/+bug/1351009
[19:38] <nik90> rsalveti: hi, my emulator just stops at a black screen...I did not see Unity boot. I tried both devel (image 157) and devel-proposed (image 165). Thoughts?
[19:38] <nik90> rsalveti: I am able to adb into it and stuff
[19:43] <dobey> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7917154/ <- anyone know why this started happening today exactly?
[20:01] <rsalveti> nik90: let me check
[20:01] <rsalveti> 157 worked fine when I tested it
[20:02] <rsalveti> let me check 165
[20:02] <rsalveti> nik90: do you see any unity8 process?
[20:02] <rsalveti> nik90: during first boot, are you at least able to see the wizard?
[20:02] <rsalveti> and I assume you're using the x86 one
[20:02] <nik90> rsalveti: I did not check. I recreated a new emulator using the terminal and it downloaded 166. That boots fine
[20:02] <nik90> rsalveti: but in 157 and 165, I did not even see the wizard
[20:03] <rsalveti> oh, ok
[20:03] <nik90> and yes  using the x86
[20:03] <rsalveti> let me check latest
[20:03] <nik90> 166 is good
[20:03] <rsalveti> interesting :-)
[20:04] <nik90> rsalveti: yeah...I tried 157 and 165 several times before asking..anyways happy to see 166 work. /me continues with clock app dev
[20:16] <t1mp> is there a way to see a list of missed calls (with times) after you have called back so it is gone from Incoming?
[20:19] <jdstrand> Wellark: I'm going to point you at tyhicks-- I'm happy to join the conversation, but he is the point of contact for helping people do trusted helpers
[20:20] <tyhicks> Wellark: hey there - ping me when whenever you get it implemented
[20:22] <Wellark> jdstrand, tyhicks: ok thanks!
[20:23] <jdstrand> tyhicks: Wellark and I talked about a couple of things before, so if this is about that and more context is needed, holler
[20:23] <jdstrand> (this was weeks ago)
[20:23] <nik90> rsalveti, t1mp: There seems to be an issue with the SDK in the emulator image 166. https://imgur.com/XVAzQeJ
[20:24] <nik90> rsalveti, t1mp: the header is cut of and clicking on something feels like clicking a few pixels about it
[20:24] <rsalveti> yeah, saw that here as well
[20:25] <nik90> rsalveti: ah ok. Do we have a bug tracking this? It also feels really slow
[20:25] <rsalveti> not that I know, just saw the issue
[20:25] <rsalveti> was still fast here though
[20:27] <nik90> rsalveti: seems like others have it as well since 165, https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-phone/msg09293.html
[20:27] <rsalveti> yeah, mind opening a bug for that?
[20:27] <nik90> rsalveti: against SDK?
[20:28] <rsalveti> also pinging the landing team about that bug, as it's a regression and blocks promotion
[20:28] <rsalveti> nik90: yeah
[20:28] <nik90> rsalveti: sure will do
[20:28] <rsalveti> thanks
[20:36] <cyphermox> kenvandine: think we could include my bluetooth-redesign branch as well for your ubuntu-system-settings landing?
[20:36] <kenvandine> cyphermox, is it ready?
[20:37] <cyphermox> yes
[20:37] <kenvandine> cool
[20:37] <kenvandine> sure
[20:37] <cyphermox> I haven't kicked ps-jenkins again just yet to get it to re-look at it, but it would be ready
[20:38] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i'm adding it, i'll reconfigure it after this build is done
[20:44] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, the mother of all landings
[20:45] <kenvandine> it's going to be :)
[20:48] <cyphermox> haha :)
[20:49] <kenvandine> bfiller, oh, you got us a content-hub silo again... then i'll add my settings branch for the package rename to my silo ;)
[20:49]  * kenvandine watches it grow
[20:49] <bfiller> kenvandine: yeah sorry I forgot to let you konw
[20:49] <kenvandine> no worries
[20:50] <kenvandine> i just can't land one of mine until the api_v1 content-hub branch lands
[20:51] <kenvandine> bfiller, oh, you missed that branch :)
[20:51] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/content-hub/api_v1/+merge/227948
[20:52] <kenvandine> i don't want the peer-picker-updates branch to land without that
[20:52] <taiebot> can someone confirm that before i do a bug report http://tinyurl.com/l65qlrx
[20:53] <kenvandine> taiebot, oh my
[20:53] <kenvandine> yes... i see the same things
[20:53] <kenvandine> that is bad...
[20:54] <taiebot> its weird its only the first like 20 and after it looks fine
[20:57] <nik90> kenvandine: hi
[20:58] <nik90> kenvandine: is this https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/sound_panel/+merge/228766 what I think it is :))))) ?
[20:58] <nik90> kenvandine: are we getting a silent mode?
[20:58] <jgdx> mpt, hey, is the cellular[1] spec up to date? Seems to be missing sim name editor and default sim for messages? Also, should the user not be able to go back to "ask" for default sim? [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Networking#phone-cellular
[21:00] <taiebot> Someone confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-rssreader-app/+bug/1351057
[21:05] <taiebot> By the way the same things seems to be happening in music app maybe its related too http://tinyurl.com/ntdtjm3 covers are broken as well
[21:21] <AskUbuntu> Nexus 7 flo GPS support and offline maps | http://askubuntu.com/q/505203
[21:40] <dobey> man, not having to long press to close things is so much nicer
[22:02] <Chipaca> mpt: I'm not sure what MacSlow is talking about, but I can say that the postal service can currently trigger vibrations
[22:02] <Chipaca> mpt: i'll catch up with him tomorrow about that
[22:06] <dobey> Chipaca: that's a pretty accurate description of string theory and things getting put into my mailbox by a postman
[22:06] <Chipaca> dobey: it's, like, cosmic
[22:10] <Chipaca> mpt: so, even before I talk with MacSlow, he is essentially correct: there is no way for an application to trigger a vibration. If an application can talk to the postal service, it is in the foreground; if it is in the foreground, postal notifications (which include vibrations) are ignored (with a caveat around emblem counters because they are weird). The preferences screen, and the vibrations therein, are presented to the user on behalf of the app
[22:10] <Chipaca> , but not by the app.
[22:11] <Chipaca> mpt: so, depending on the context, he might have been 100% correct, or only technically correct. I'll check with him.
[22:11] <kenvandine> nik90, yup!
[22:47] <diego_> Hi guys
[22:47] <diego_> i have a situation in here running the ubuntu-touch emulator
[22:47] <diego_> i have a 6520g HD videocard
[22:55] <diego_> hi?
[22:58] <diego_> hi?
[22:58] <diego_> can someone run the emulator?
[23:01] <nik90> diego_: I am able to run the emulator
[23:04] <diego_> i cant
[23:04] <diego_> i have a 6520g radeon videocard
[23:06] <diego_> wich card u have?
[23:08] <diego_> FrameBuffer::post eglMakeCurrent failed