[08:12] <foobarry> daftykins: i cancelled direct debit due to some spurious behaviour on their part
[08:12] <foobarry> false overcharging that i wasn't interested in paying
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning boys and girls.
[08:56] <bashrc> morning
[08:57] <bashrc> tried finalterm again yesterday.  It's still not ready for the desktop, since it doesn't support various key combinations
[08:57] <bashrc> but looks nice
[08:57] <bashrc> I like the gliding cursor
[08:57] <foobarry> gliding?
[08:57] <bashrc> it slides along smoothly
[08:57] <foobarry> i used terminology for a while due to the cool inline images
[08:58] <bashrc> in a balletic fashion
[08:58] <bashrc> https://github.com/p-e-w/finalterm/issues/121
[09:04] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Uncommon Instrument Awareness Day!  :-D
[09:05] <bashrc> uncommon instruments?
[09:06] <JamesTait> I don't know if it's specifically about musical instruments, or if, say, medical instruments also count.
[09:14]  * awilkins chooses the "hang" as his uncommon instrument
[09:14] <foobarry> i choose the babooshka
[10:10] <foobarry> web question. i have 2 virtualhosts on the same IP. barry:80 and bob:443 . if i type bob.domain it is defaulting to port 80 and serving barry:80 on bob:80
[10:10] <foobarry> i want bob.domain to default to bob:443, i need a rewrite rule?
[10:11] <foobarry> or redirect
[10:12] <shauno_> I think bob:80 should be serving the default content? (it's not matching a virtualhost at all)
[10:12] <foobarry> ah, so i make a bob:80 virtualhost and then rewrite?
[10:13] <shauno_> I believe so, yeah
[10:13] <foobarry> NameVirtualHost *:80
[10:13] <foobarry> <VirtualHost *:80> ServerName mysite.example.com DocumentRoot /usr/local/apache2/htdocs Redirect permanent /secure https://mysite.example.com/secure
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[10:13] <foobarry> thanks, i'll try that
[10:13] <foobarry> hand't thought about that
[10:36] <QuincyK54> Anything I've forgot ? Oh GMorning Pimped DebianUsersUK  Hehe.
[10:38] <QuincyK54> I have a pvilion G6 with Win7 --.. will the 14.04 "just install" alongside, without sound or HDMI problems ? 'cos It's, not my machine.
[10:40] <foobarry> hmm. now i've got the opposite
[10:40] <foobarry> bob but no barry
[10:41] <QuincyK54> I know Dubarry , but not Bob.
[10:41] <foobarry> QuincyK54: try before installing
[10:41] <foobarry> click "try ubuntu"
[10:41] <foobarry> when booting from usb
[10:42] <shauno> are you sure barry was actually working?  if bob:80 was serving barry's contents, barry's in the default docroot & would be served if it didn't match anything
[10:42] <foobarry> barry was working because it redirects to localhost:4567
[10:42] <shauno> I mean, it might have been serving the right content by accident, rather than intentionally
[10:42] <Myrtti> Pavilion G7 is certified for 12.04
[10:43] <QuincyK54> Ok .. I shall .. I just think the G6 laptop had afew Kinks .. but I shall try as I bought several DVD's on the Canonical store !Yeay!
[10:43] <Myrtti> several?
[10:43] <foobarry> or download the image?
[10:43] <QuincyK54> Myrtti, So 14.04 shouldn't be a problem .. do I need toask that ?
[10:43] <QuincyK54> **to ask
[10:45] <Myrtti> well you've got G6, not G7, and you're planning 1404, not 1204
[10:46] <Myrtti> but the best way to find out is trying before installing
[10:46] <QuincyK54> yes, I've got the official 14.04 dvd  .. I dhall try  .. thank-you operators.
[10:46] <popey> Ok. How can I send a cell phone to finland?
[10:47] <popey> post office refuse to take it
[10:47] <QuincyK54> s/dhall/shall
[10:47] <foobarry> why?
[10:47] <popey> parcel2go refused too
[10:47] <davmor2> popey: ask msm
[10:47] <popey> ah good call
[10:48] <QuincyK54> popey, Is this urgent ? There is a guy on #twil (If it's still going) from Finland (Not the Norwegian guy) -- He'll know.
[10:48] <QuincyK54> Other than that DHL.
[10:49] <QuincyK54> or speedboat :)
[10:49] <popey> msm is a magical being
[10:49] <popey> she's arranging it
[10:50] <popey> nice one davmor2
[10:50] <QuincyK54> sound's dedicated, anyway.
[10:50] <davmor2> popey: she wears that wonder woman T-Shirt for a reason you know
[10:50] <foobarry> seems i need to use NameVirtualHost properly
[10:53] <QuincyK54> So, How's the consensus of adopting Pitivi in the shipped default release for 16.04 ??#RandomMumblings Or is it too 2nd class citizen atmo. Sorry if I'm eeking anyway - If your working.
[10:55] <QuincyK54> gotts go .. I'l check the logs .. #Random But Inquisitive .. Biccy time
[10:55] <QuincyK54> leaves.
[10:55] <Myrtti> popey: I'm flying tomorrow
[10:56] <popey> heh, thanks, sorted it.
[11:07] <foobarry> right. chrome is working as intended. firefox is redirecting bob:80 -> barry:443
[11:07] <foobarry> :S
[11:08] <foobarry> cleared cache, now seems better
[11:08] <foobarry> nasty
[11:22] <foobarry> is proxypass insecure?
[12:02] <popey> Yay! Hermes driver says my parcel is on my doorstep.
[12:02] <popey> It isn't.
[12:13] <directhex> popey: it's on the doorstep of a house with a similar number to yours, within a number of streets
[12:13] <popey> yeah.
[12:14] <popey> just walked around the neighbours
[12:30] <MartijnVdS> popey: maybe the sticker on your door scared them
[12:30] <popey> hah
[12:31] <popey> really annoying because I can't contact the seller because ebay wont let me until I get to the expected delivery date of monday
[12:33] <Myrtti> LOL
[12:33] <Myrtti> I got a letter from Yorkshire tea :-D
[12:51] <MartijnVdS> Myrtti: what did they write?
[12:51] <Myrtti> here's a sticker, post a picture with it :-D
[12:51] <Myrtti> I'm going to recycle the card as a decoration to my phone
[13:29] <foobarry> surely you can send a message to any ebuyer?
[13:29] <foobarry> ^bayer
[13:30] <popey> yeah, if you choose "other" rather than "my parcel has not been delivered" which I now have
[13:42] <dwatkins> it baffles me that delivery people leve parcels on doorsteps
[13:42] <dwatkins> seems to be common practice in the US
[13:43] <popey> got a reply from ebay vendor
[13:43] <popey> "The parcel has to be signed for. If they left it at the porch, who then signed for it! I will try to get in touch with them. They are stupid people."
[13:45] <dwatkins> I contacted an Amazon seller because I hadn't received my phone case, it turned out they'd sent the wrong thing, and I'd assumed a friend who was staying with me had ordered it.
[13:45] <dwatkins> The seller was able to tell me who signed for it, though.
[13:47] <directhex> dwatkins: in the case of hermes, they dont employ any delivery people.
[13:48] <directhex> dwatkins: they pay normal people a per-parcel fee to deliver. so they ship 100 parcels to some dude's house, and he distributes them for pennies each. standards can easily slip in that setup
[13:59] <dwatkins> directhex: oh my, I see
[14:00] <dwatkins> there was me thinking "you had one job..."
[14:00] <directhex> it basically avoids the need for branch warehouses
[14:12] <foobarry> wow its quiet in the office today
[14:21] <dwatkins> my office is quiet, since I'm working from home
[15:00] <Myrtti> random thought of the day: is it just me, but does the little boy in Jurassic Park look a bit like Charlie in the older Wonka chocolate factory?
[15:01] <daftykins> https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2478/3941274828_2748070c22.jpg
[15:01] <daftykins> a teensy bit
[15:02] <daftykins> http://content.internetvideoarchive.com/content/photos/046/000195_10.jpg
[15:03] <popey> without looking at those pictures, from memory, yes ㋛
[15:04] <daftykins> i knew not the JP kid :>
[15:11] <SuperMatt> relevant: http://imgur.com/gallery/vPkakSd
[15:11] <daftykins> hahaha
[15:12] <daftykins> damn it, they could all fit through!
[15:12] <Myrtti> yeah, that's the pic that started me thinking
[15:15] <diddledan> daftykins: certainly the kids could have crawled through
[15:15] <Myrtti> http://assets.vice.com/content-images/contentimage/no-slug/d881e82aca21cc8eaee7558834c77288.jpg
[15:15] <Myrtti> well atleast Timmy would've
[15:17] <diddledan> the fence does look mean though
[15:17] <diddledan> what with those ceramic isolators on the mast
[15:17] <diddledan> and then the wholly metal ones in-between which negate the effect
[15:18] <daftykins> nah that girl can totally get through too, if not the adults as well - look at the panel the boys knees are in
[15:20] <shauno> lol, Lex - of "I know this, this is unix!" fame  (I figure if Timmy deserves a name ..)
[15:20] <daftykins> ;]
[15:20] <daftykins> the little faker!
[15:22] <shauno> every single time my laptop starts complaining about the battery with >1hr left, it makes me smile
[15:22] <diddledan> shauno: that 3d file explorer was totally available to download from the internet for some esoteric unix at one point
[15:23] <shauno> of course, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fsn
[15:25] <diddledan> lol @ the last sentence in that wiki
[15:25] <directhex> Have you pre-ordered pigeon dating sim Hatoful Boyfriend yet? http://store.steampowered.com/app/310080
[15:25] <diddledan> "After the release of the film, some perceived the visualisation as an example of media misrepresentation of computers,[2] citing the computer game-like display as being an unrealistic Hollywood mockup."
[15:28] <daftykins> how about Hackers, flying through the skyscraper-like filesystem? :P
[15:29] <directhex> i love that movie <3
[15:29] <daftykins> same :D
[15:32] <diddledan> daftykins: that was faked, however
[15:33] <diddledan> daftykins: apparently the director decided that computer generated graphics wouldn't be realistic enough to portray a computer generated graphics
[15:33] <shauno> nowai!?
[15:33] <daftykins> O_O
[15:34] <directhex> yo dawg
[15:34] <daftykins> just be careful of your trash, guys
[15:34] <daftykins> don't store your important stuffs in there
[15:34] <directhex> my garbage file!
[15:34] <daftykins> oh :>
[15:34] <daftykins> i still feel sad about how cool they made nerds look
[15:34] <directhex> about 80% of /r/talesfromtechsupport is "my super important files/mails were in the recycle bin, how dare you?"
[15:35] <daftykins> that happens to me all the time from clients
[15:35] <daftykins> drives me spare
[15:35] <diplo> heh I'm reading that right now
[15:35] <diplo> Very new to actually reading reddit :)
[15:36] <diplo> Been signed up for years
[15:36] <daftykins> seems i'm the only one that doesn't touch it still
[15:36] <diplo> TIFU is quite good as well
[15:36] <diplo> Last week or two for me daftykins :)
[15:36] <daftykins> time to setup another HDD RMA with WD
[15:39] <bigcalm> Good morning peeps :)
[15:40] <bigcalm> Have there been any RAT meeting up discussions? Would be nice to know where peeps will be
[15:40] <popey> no
[15:44] <bigcalm> popey: found your ticket? :)
[15:44] <popey> no
[15:44] <bigcalm> Oh dear :(
[16:29] <popey> hermes reply to my tweet 4 hours later..
[17:25] <daubers> Evening
[17:48] <popey> yo
[17:50] <dwatkins> oi
[17:50] <dwatkins> I regularly get replies many hours later, popey - I've gotten used to people working instead of dropping everything to reply...
[17:53] <daftykins> ;)
[17:55] <dwatkins> at first I was wondering what I'd done, but then I realised I'm expecting a reply from someone who doesn't sit at a computer all day.
[17:56] <dwatkins> is there some special trick to rescuing a yahoo email account? looks like my SO's has been hacked :(
[18:00] <daftykins> :/ standard recovery approach not working?
[18:03] <dwatkins> the e-mail address for recovery isn't her alternate address, daftykins
[18:04] <dwatkins> looks like the hax0r got in, and set up another one; she hdn't set up questions nor a mobile number unfortunately (although I'll check that for certain on Saturday)
[18:04] <daftykins> :(
[18:04] <daftykins> best be on it sharpish
[18:04] <dwatkins> worst part is, it's an AOL address
[18:04] <daftykins> D:
[18:05] <dwatkins> I'd have been there the day she told me if it hadn't seemed a little too forward ;)
[18:05] <diddledan> dwatkins: you mean you didn't ensure your SO had secure password practices ingrained?
[18:05] <dwatkins> sadly I suspect the damage is done, but perhaps there's a way we can plead with Yahoo! to give the account back to her by proving it's hers somehow
[18:05] <dwatkins> diddledan: we havn't been ging out very long, diddledan ;)
[18:05] <diddledan> aah
[18:06] <dwatkins> I havn't even seen her laptop yet...
[18:06] <dwatkins> (I'm not actually kidding, she's well aware it's old and slow)
[18:06] <diddledan> dwatkins: pervert! :-p
[18:06] <dwatkins> lol
[18:07] <daftykins> sometimes it's best not to get to that stage ;)
[18:07] <dwatkins> well, we'll see - perhaps I'll be able to work some magic from the fact she's still logged in from somewhere
[18:07] <dwatkins> daftykins: I'll slowly persuade her to get a machine with a proper kernel
[18:07] <dwatkins> ...and seure everything properly - this will probably be a good starting point in a sense
[18:07] <daftykins> oh dear.
[18:08] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/0mq2tl2g9phdppz/route.JPG
[18:08] <daftykins> well here's my Saturday planned out, to setup a NAS
[18:08] <dwatkins> by bicycle?
[18:08] <diddledan> cornwall got funky-shaped :-D
[18:08] <daftykins> yes sir! two wheels are the only form i have
[18:08] <daftykins> diddledan: ;)
[18:09] <dwatkins> well, it's cheap - I cycle to work 4 times a week :)
[18:09] <dwatkins> it's ony 5 miles, but gets me a little fitter
[18:09] <dwatkins> I'm working up to a 100 mile trip sometime later this year.
[18:09] <daftykins> :D
[18:10] <daftykins> sounds good, i'm really unfit these days as i live in town now and don't need to ride so often
[18:10] <dwatkins> I also swim and run a little, too.
[18:10] <diddledan> last I looked it was shaped like: https://www.dropbox.com/s/czwej6yocb3e35w/Screenshot%202014-07-31%2019.10.14.png
[18:10] <dwatkins> Discovered a colleague had begun running at lunchtimes, so I'm joining him.
[18:10] <daftykins> :D
[18:11] <dwatkins> diddledan: daftykins lives in the future where global warming has reshaped Cornwall and separated it from the mainland.
[18:11] <diddledan> I guess it's been eating too many pasties?
[18:12] <diddledan> dwatkins: nah the mainland connects on the top-right of his image
[18:12] <dwatkins> hehe
[18:12] <diddledan> same as mine
[18:13] <diddledan> only his cornwall is fatter. and the claw-shape at the bottom has bent around a bit
[18:19] <dwatkins> mine is upside down and called Scotland
[18:24] <diddledan> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyhXIxkXUhg
[18:25] <diddledan> that's a crap video
[18:25] <dwatkins> this planet really has everything, there's even a band which sings about Doctor Who and the TARDIS.
[18:25] <dwatkins> Chameleon Circuit
[18:26] <diddledan> the chameleon circuit is broken tho
[18:26] <diddledan> hence why it's a police box
[18:26] <dwatkins> it hasn't worked since 1963...
[18:27] <dwatkins> ...but the Doctor won't give up on me
[18:40] <diddledan> netflix is completely broken for me :-(
[18:41] <dwatkins> the Ubuntu app or the site itself, diddledan?
[18:41] <diddledan> everything I click on is either "not available to play instantly" or "unavailable in your region"
[18:41] <diddledan> the site
[18:41] <dwatkins> works ok for me, but I'm effectively in Ireland.
[18:41]  * dwatkins fishes out a tablet
[18:42] <diddledan> aah found one thing that plays
[18:42] <diddledan> nikita
[18:42] <dwatkins> haha gutted
[18:43] <dwatkins> wow, this iPad is a complete mess, I could easily spend my 2 hour train journey tidying it up
[18:43] <diddledan> all the apps not in folders?
[18:43] <dwatkins> exactly
[18:43] <dwatkins> it doesn't tend to get used a lot
[18:45] <dwatkins> heh "travelling with Netflix?"
[18:45] <dwatkins> yeah, I just logged in from home instead of via VPN
[18:45] <diddledan> lol
[18:45] <dwatkins> that works too, though, blame your ISP, diddledan
[18:45] <diddledan> I think it's because I have a hurricane electric ip6 tunnel
[18:46] <dwatkins> that might do it, yeah
[18:46] <diddledan> I can't wait until ip6 is provided by my isp
[18:46] <diddledan> but it's sky so the chances of that are slim for the forseeable
[18:49] <DJones> 4But what benefit would an ipv6 ip address give you over an ipv4? At the end of the day your home connection either way has an ip address you can connect to
[18:50] <DJones> As far as I know, it doesn't speed up connections
[18:50] <diddledan> IP6 is "the future"
[18:50] <DJones> INternal devices still have ip addresses provided by the router
[18:50] <diddledan> there is no concept of "internal" and "external" in IP6
[18:50] <diddledan> all devices are routed
[18:51] <dwatkins> are ports still blocked, though?
[18:52] <DJones> diddledan: But how does every device having its own ipv6 address change things, they're still connected via the same router, using the same landline
[18:52] <diddledan> i.e. my fridge can be accessed directly from the internet if there's no firewall preventing it
[18:52] <popey> http://hackaday.io/project/2076
[18:53] <dwatkins> popey: wasn't that a Kickstarter project?
[18:53] <dwatkins> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/952953995/bluetooth-zx-spectrum-recreating-the-sinclair-zx-s
[18:53] <dwatkins> ok, slightly different
[18:54] <diddledan> with IPv4 there is no capability to route without rewriting the IP packets - with IPv6 you don't rewrite anything so it's "compatible" with protocols that don't play well with nat such as ftp
[18:54] <DJones> diddledan: Erm, so all it does is cut out the router, except that the fridge wouldn't have an internet connection unless it was connected to the router?
[18:55] <dwatkins> I guess FTP can easily be updated to support IPv6 but not routing
[18:55] <dwatkins> clients and servers
[18:55] <diddledan> dwatkins: you misunderstand - ftp doesn't play well in NAT (IPv4) but ipv6 allows it to work seamlessly
[18:55] <DJones> To my mind, ipv6 doesn't make any difference unless every individual device has its own mobile sim
[18:55] <dwatkins> popey: also, this... http://denki.world3.net/beebkb.html
[18:56] <popey> that kickstarter went all downhill
[18:56] <dwatkins> diddledan: ah ok, not sure I understand what can or can't be changed, but ok :)
[18:57] <dwatkins> popey: oh dear
[18:58] <diddledan> dwatkins: specifically with ftp in the ip4 world both ends of the ftp connection need to be able to open a port for an inbound connection from the other side - we've previously "worked around" the problem by deep-packet inspection but that only works in unencrypted communications channels
[19:00] <dwatkins> it's going to be a long evening... https://www.dropbox.com/s/ffnokp5vjp7zdfp/Screenshot%202014-07-31%2019.59.38.png - Windows 7 has quite a lot to do
[19:00] <diddledan> ouch
[19:00] <dwatkins> diddledan: aha, I didn't realise taking packets apart was required, thanks
[19:00] <DJones> dwatkins: Sounds like 24 hours of updates then :)
[19:01] <DJones> As in you updated yesterday and thats the last 24 hours of bug fixes
[19:01] <dwatkins> DJones: we're on number 14 already
[19:01] <dwatkins> haha
[19:02] <diddledan> so ipv6 allows ftp to work because there's no concept of "private" ip addresses meaning that each device has an end-to-end connection with any other device without any messing around with rewriting packets
[19:02] <dwatkins> so NAT is a hack?
[19:03] <diddledan> bingo
[19:03] <diddledan> NAT was a short-term solution
[19:03] <dwatkins> I guess they didn't anticipate just how many devices we'd need to put online
[19:04] <diddledan> actually it was a case that the internet took off before we were ready - vint cerf in a recent interview pointed out that ipv6 is what should have been used in the outset and ipv4 was just a proof-of-concept
[19:04] <diddledan> the "beta" version if you will
[19:05] <dwatkins> this sounds familiar ;)
[19:09] <daftykins> heh
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> yay ipv6 :)
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> also.. yay fast internet
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> Hotel internet on Jersey was like being back on dialup.
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> (or maybe it just felt like that because I have 100/100 here)
[19:10] <diddledan> MartijnVdS: I want your babies ^H^H^H^H internet
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> diddledan: I'm getting 500/500 as soon as they upgrade the other side :)
[19:11] <diddledan> ffs
[19:11] <diddledan> that's just taking the micky
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> That's just FttH, instead of ttC :)
[19:11] <diddledan> aah
[19:11] <daftykins> mmm custard creams
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> I have a gigabit media converter in my utility cupboard. It's "just" an ethernet line.
[19:12] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: could be ;) i was shocked to discover that our providings over here have far surpassed Jersey's
[19:12] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: it was fun there though! Did you see my photos (on g+)
[19:12] <daftykins> they have daytime FUPs O_O
[19:12] <daftykins> nah i don't use g+
[19:13] <daftykins> but you should come to the real island ;) Jersey is just little England
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: https://plus.google.com/photos/100189567362844794281/albums/6041438963175542817
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: Little England where you can't drive over 40 anywhere 8-)
[19:13] <daftykins> 35 here \o/
[19:13] <MartijnVdS> :D
[19:15] <daftykins> ooh that castle off France
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: The "The North", "The West" etc. signs were hilarious... having only seen them on the M25 before
[19:15] <daftykins> Mont Saint Michel/Michael - looks neat
[19:15] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: yeah, with the same name as the castle off Cornwall (St Michael's Mount) :P
[19:16] <daftykins> how unoriginal
[19:16] <dwatkins> no wonder I was always confused about where it was
[19:16] <daftykins> didn't realise there was a whole bridge to it
[19:17] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: there wasn't one. They're just finishing it.
[19:17] <daftykins> oic
[19:17] <daftykins> copycats!
[19:19] <daftykins> how great are custard creams :)
[19:19] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:19] <daftykins> MartijnVdS: so good trip all in all? you should've reminded me and hopped over here for a pint or two!
[19:20] <diddledan> daftykins: not as great as pizza
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: I didn't have proper internet, or I would have :)
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: that local ale was quite good :)
[19:20] <daftykins> d'aww
[19:20] <daftykins> hehe
[19:20] <daftykins> *mumbles something about Jersey*
[19:20] <MartijnVdS> daftykins: they had a "Herm Island Gold" as well
[19:21] <daftykins> ooh, i did not know Herm brewed their own
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> well it's done by the same brewery (Liberation)
[19:21] <MartijnVdS> and they do: http://www.liberationgroup.com/our-beers/bailiwick-best
[19:21] <daftykins> yeah Best is good :)
[19:22] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/s/il6u3zoca3u6hfg/IMG_20140720_151915.jpg
[19:22] <daftykins> here's me having a pint of it down one of my islands lovely bays
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> :)
[19:22] <MartijnVdS> I see I need to go back some time, and do a proper CI tour :)
[19:23] <daftykins> ^_^
[19:23] <daftykins> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/fz006ibpbygcj3y/AACw5Fqaal0DQqRW66-yis8-a
[19:23] <MartijnVdS> But I'm not driving again. 8 hours straight from/to St Malo
[19:23] <daftykins> there's some more of that same day if you care to see
[19:23] <daftykins> do a cycling tour \o/
[19:26] <MartijnVdS> also, next time I'll bring shoes that don't make my feet blister
[19:27] <daftykins> :D i've come to think that hiking shoes are ace for all travel now
[19:38] <DJones> Brilliant http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/130157-people-given-a-20-casio-watch-and-told-it-s-an-apple-iwatch-cue-hilarious-reactions
[19:40] <daftykins> oh dear.
[19:40] <DJones> Its worth watching till the end for the "I just like it because its got an apple sticker on the back"
[19:41] <daftykins> noooooooooooooooooooo
[19:44] <diddledan> are americans really as thick as the tv makes them appear?
[19:45] <dwatkins> not all of them
[19:45] <MartijnVdS> 80/20 rule
[19:46] <daftykins> 'Kofi Annan, is that some kind of new coffee' <-- i remember that one from a video