[00:00] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Yes perhaps. Unfortunately, right now I need to sort some stuff out relating to moving home so I will have to put up with it for now. I am chronically disorganised!
[00:00] <IggyYzzz> Guys you should check out the new Yosemite OS X
[00:00] <Martin204> I’m running it IggyYzzz
[00:00] <Martin204> the public beta
[00:00] <Beldar> !spam | IggyYzzz
[00:00] <IggyYzzz> how u like it?
[00:00] <Martin204> I like it a lot
[00:00] <IggyYzzz> yes I am running beta as well
[00:00] <MoPac> Beldar: in case a driver had been updated
[00:00] <Martin204> the look took a day to get used to
[00:00] <IggyYzzz> i have felt the speed increase form Mav to Yosemite
[00:01] <Martin204> I haven’t noticed much performance difference
[00:01] <IggyYzzz> Yes the look is different
[00:01] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Is there any chance my problems could be coming from packages? Or do you think I am stupid to think that?
[00:01] <Martin204> the font looks nice though.
[00:01] <IggyYzzz> YES
[00:01] <Martin204> something about dat helvetica neue
[00:01] <Martin204> just sexy
[00:01] <IggyYzzz> its true
[00:01] <Beldar> MoPac, A live is different than a install. Did you when you ran the update/upgrade untick the stick in software and updtaes?
[00:01] <IggyYzzz> i am very pleased
[00:02] <Martin204> it’s relatively stable too, just a few graphical bugs I’ve noticed
[00:02] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, Not stupid, however it is an assumption. Would you want your doctor to assume a medical diagnoses?
[00:02] <Martin204> hopefully it’ll be all polished up before they ship it
[00:02] <MoPac> Beldar: no, I didn't....should I untick it?
[00:02] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: Mind you, this installation was a clean install so there shouldn't be any packages from previous installations so maybe I just answered my own question.
[00:03] <Beldar> MoPac, Is this a dual boot, and have you looked to see on the web issue with ubuntu on this computer and or hardware?
[00:03] <IggyYzzz> I have more faith in 10.10  over 10.9
[00:03] <IggyYzzz> I will never go back to 10.8
[00:04] <damian-> Beldar, not entirely sure what i'm looking at with the script output, http://pastebin.com/dSqtVDHj ?
[00:04] <IggyYzzz> 10.10 just feels more snappy to me upon opening apps and browsers.
[00:04] <user123321> Beldar, I made it :D Thanks :D
[00:04] <MoPac> Beldar: it's not a dual boot...at the moment I'm just testing it out by booting straight from the live USB without installing. It's a very new platform, and I haven't seen anybody running Ubuntu on this specific model yet, what with the tablet mode and orientation shifting ability
[00:04] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: I wouldn't want my doctor to assume a diagnosis (mind you they usually do anyway) but I would want them to consider possible problems with any course of treatment they proposed. And it seems like only prudence to address what I am worried about rather than ignoring something niggling in the back of my mind in the hope it will go away, just in case it comes back to bite me on the arse.
[00:04] <Martin204> xcode 6 is pretty nice looking
[00:04] <Beldar> user123321, Cool, no prob. ;)
[00:05] <MoPac> Beldar: I'm wondering if there is any generic place within Ubuntu that I can go to look for settings for touchscreens, orientation sensors, etc?
[00:05] <IggyYzzz> Yeah I had to re install a few things. I did not do a fresh install. I did an upgrade
[00:05] <IggyYzzz> sloppy upgrade
[00:05] <OerHeks>  Martin204 IggyYzzz OSx is offtopic, please keep this channel clear for ubuntu support
[00:05] <Beldar> MoPac, I have n o lvm experience so can't help. Besides here I would use the ubuntu forums and post that script and a new one if you make any changes.
[00:06] <IggyYzzz> sorry guys
[00:06] <IggyYzzz> i will stop
[00:06] <Beldar> damian-, ^^^^^^^^^^^ sorry MoPac used your nick by accidesnt
[00:06] <MoPac> Beldar: No problem, thank you for patiently juggling
[00:07] <Beldar> MoPac, Not sure only thing I have with touch is a nexus 7 running android.
[00:07] <damian-> thanks for the help Beldar, lol
[00:07] <damian-> actually you might be able to help in another way. i have /boot on a completely seperate partition, is there a way i can simply wipe that and start fresh?
[00:08] <Beldar> to much or not enough caffeine
[00:08] <Beldar> damian-, I beleieve lvm has that boot partition for a reason not sure really.
[00:08] <ObrienDave> never enough caffeine ;P
[00:08] <damian-> ahh, i figured i just set it when i installed
[00:08] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: The other reason I haven't detached my home yet is that I don't have either a printer or a second PC so once I am limited to the command line in a recovery console, I don't have any way of looking up more information or asking for more help. All I have at that point is what I have written down in my notebook so I need to gather the right information before I do that so I don't mess up at that stage. At the moment, I have a (most
[00:09] <EleanorEllis> Beldar: But anyway, thank you for your help so far. And thank you to the other people who helped me, even though I now can't remember their names.
[00:10] <mint> can someone here help me install linux mint, its already installed on a usb flash, and i want to install it on the hard drive
[00:10] <Ben64> !mint | mint
[00:10] <Beldar> EleanorEllis, As my last communication, I will say I think you will ahve to bite the bullet and do a fresh install and add your needed stuff, I.E start over again, we all get there or will at some point it is just part of the process.
[00:11] <Beldar> I fresh install every release myself
[00:12] <Beldar> and no separate home ever
[00:16] <Beldar> MoPac, Found this with a google search of "ubuntu touch screen wiki" https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touchscreen
[00:17] <angel_> hi, i require help to configure a bluetooth keyboard on ubuntu but  keyboard. i tried the menu options but i get a fail every time
[00:17] <Beldar> MoPac, more for you, http://askubuntu.com/search?q=touch+screen
[00:18] <jakesyl> hey guys so ssh works but when i try sftp i get this git.io/FtwgOQ
[00:19] <jakesyl> woops url is actually git.io/FtwgOQ
[00:20] <bluegoon> When I leave my PC, and come back, I have a black screen, when I move my mouse etc, nothing happens.. using Ubuntu.
[00:20] <saiarcot895> jakesyl: Did you try adding brackets around your IPv6 address?
[00:21] <Beldar> bluegoon, Ubuntu has a lock screen stock people have had a black screen issue, chek the lock screen settings and the prompt to com back to desktop.
[00:22] <jakesyl> *smh* ashamed thanks saiarcot895
[00:22] <jr_> When I try to install ubuntu the screen just freezes with the mouse on it
[00:22] <jr_> and nothing happens
[00:22] <Beldar> or unlock gui prompt bluegoon
[00:22] <bluegoon> Beldrar, ok thanks, ill check it out
[00:22] <Beldar> jr_, When in the install, and where are you installing from, and your cpu and ram info.
[00:23] <jakesyl> is there anyway to disable ssh for an account?
[00:23] <jakesyl> but keep sftp enabled
[00:23] <jr_> Beldar: Cd and I don't know my cpu/ram info.
[00:24] <Beldar> jr_, Ubuntu does not fit on a CD?
[00:24] <jr_> Beldar: virtual cd
[00:24] <jak2000> Beldar: you mean: sudo apt-get purge java-6-openjdk
[00:24] <jr_> Beldar: this is a virtualized server
[00:24] <Beldar> jr_, Not sure what that is, can you define exactly?
[00:25] <Beldar> what vm app
[00:25] <jr_> Beldar: the computer isn't real. I'm not sure, I got this VNC server from a hosting company. All I am able to do is remotely log into it in order to install the OS
[00:25] <Beldar> jak2000, If java-6-openjdk is the install command yes.
[00:25] <JamesJRH> k1l_: Apparently Files is the last part to go other than accounts which is staying. Ubuntu One accounts is effectively just Launchpad OpenID; as with Ubuntu SSO, the only thing it now adds to Launchpad OpenID is a defunct brand.
[00:26] <engineeredmess> hello
[00:26] <Beldar> jr_, Never done that, others may know.
[00:26] <jr_> Beldar: i do believe that you still may be able to help me here.
[00:26] <Beldar> jr_, I doubt it.
[00:27] <Beldar> channel of over 1500 people lets give them a chance
[00:28] <Mobutils> jr_: What hosting company out of curiosity?
[00:28] <jr_> Mobutils: alienvps
[00:30] <arayaq> Hi! I have a problem with my dpkg database, everytime I try to read it throws an error. Very likely due to a hard drive failure.
[00:32] <arayaq> Here is the output when trying to install anything: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7909721/
[00:32] <arayaq> Is there a way to recover a working state?
[00:33] <jr_> Mobutils: never use 123 System Solutions...unless you can speak hindi and don't mind waiting a week 1/2 to have something done
[00:33] <Beldar> arayaq, Ubuntu has a built in smartcheck disks top right corner dropdown.
[00:33] <Beldar> live and installs
[00:33] <Mobutils> jr_: thanks for the tip.
[00:33] <Mobutils> lol
[00:34] <jr_> lol
[00:34] <angel_> hi, i require help to configure a bluetooth keyboard on ubuntu but  keyboard. i tried the menu options but i get a fail every time
[00:34] <angel_> hi, i require help to configure a bluetooth keyboard on ubuntu i tried the menu options but i get a fail every time
[00:35] <arayaq> Beldar: S.M.A.R.T test only show temperature errors problems, I guess that corrupted the hard drive
[00:36] <Mobutils> jr_: kind of looks like this is simmilar to a rackspace or aws, your os is setup during the inital server instance creataion.
[00:37] <Mobutils> so you setup a server with them and are looking to install Ubuntu instead of whatever is currently on it?
[00:37] <angel_> how do i add a usb keyboard to ubuntu 14.04. and yes i googled it already
[00:38] <Mobutils> you plug it in.
[00:38] <jr_> Mobutils: it is.
[00:39] <angel_> i have ubuntu installed on a tablet, how can i make the touch keyboard appear?
[00:40] <Mobutils> angel_: sudo apt-get install onboard
[00:40] <Mobutils> then run onboard
[00:41] <Mobutils> i guess without a keyboard that may be difficult. is sshd enabled?
[00:42] <jak2000> http://pastie.org/9432955   how to remove:   java-7-openjdk-amd64   i try: sudo apt-get purge java-7-openjdk-amd64 but not work   i need erase all java packages (for do clean java installation)
[00:43] <angel_> Mobutils, thanks. how do i make it dissaper when i don't need it/appear when i do?
[00:43] <Mobutils> good question… not sure,
[00:44] <Mobutils> let me check
[00:44] <buriedalive> sudo aptitude purge java-7-openjdk-amd64
[00:44] <Beldar> jak2000, I never use grep but often see it used here, find the commands to list all your java stuff.
[00:44] <jak2000> buriedalive testing...
[00:44] <buriedalive> sudo aptitude purge ~java
[00:45] <jak2000> Beldar: i do sudo updatedb    and then  sudo locate jdk
[00:45] <Beldar> gotta have apptitude installed is all
[00:45] <jak2000> sudo aptitude purge ~java    <-- remove all java packages?
[00:46] <buriedalive> yes
[00:47] <Beldar> !bluetooth
[00:47] <Beldar> angel_, ^^^^^^^^^^^^
[00:48] <angel_> Beldar, i already did that. bluetooth is installed but i can't make the keyboard work
[00:50] <Beldar> angel_, Without any real details the channel is not much help, unless someone is real motivated to help and willing to spend the time it takes.
[00:51] <the_wisenerd> would someone know how to start testdisk deeper scan from a particular sector? It takes too long for an entire harddisk scan... I already know my partition table, sort of...
[00:51] <angel_> Beldar, which details you need?
[00:52] <Beldar> angel_, None hear I wont spend the time, however exactly what you have tried and where it has failed is a start.
[00:52] <Beldar> a theme of it's not working is just ti broad
[00:52] <Beldar> to*
[00:52] <Lasrod_> Hi. I have a build script that, when I run it manually it works fine. However when our build server application is executing this it does not find the compiler. The path to the compiler is set in the PATH environment variable, however it seems like the build server application does not have this set. What is causing this not to be found by the application compared to when running manually?
[00:57] <vibedigital> hi! i'm doind some tests with tiger. it's takes how much time for audit ?
[00:58] <buriedalive> Lasrod_: -> sh ./ path/to/script/namescript
[00:59] <buriedalive> and
[00:59] <buriedalive> chmod +x /path/to/script/
[01:01] <master__> auxilio por favor
[01:01] <master__> tengo unproblema con ardour
[01:02] <master__> el problema radica en que no puedo utilizar mi interface
[01:02] <vibedigital>  http://pastebin.com/fQ9qrkVd#
[01:03] <EleanorEllis> !es | master
[01:03] <Mobutils> awesome, a spanish speaking bot.
[01:03] <master__> gracias
[01:04] <EleanorEllis> Mobutils: It speaks other languages too. !fr
[01:04] <EleanorEllis> !fr
[01:04] <buriedalive> cool really)
[01:06] <jak2000> Beldar, buriedalive: http://pastie.org/9432985   not work :( how to remove all java stuff?
[01:07] <Mobutils> awesome, a multi lingual bot.
[01:07] <buriedalive> jak2000: god
[01:08] <jak2000> buriedalive typed something wrong?
[01:08] <Beldar> jak2000, I did not suggest that command
[01:08] <Beldar> or any aptitude
[01:08] <buriedalive> sec, I will find it
[01:11] <buriedalive> I'll find
[01:11] <buriedalive> http://eldoradozpua.blogspot.ru/2013/11/ubuntu-java.html
[01:11] <buriedalive> I think understand
[01:12] <buriedalive> recursively
[01:12] <LiamW> hey all
[01:13] <LiamW> I have a shiny new build, Ubuntu installed as only OS, proprietary nvidia drivers installed, etc
[01:13] <buriedalive> Beldar: well?
[01:13] <Beldar> buriedalive, well what?
[01:13] <buriedalive> Beldar: http://eldoradozpua.blogspot.ru/2013/11/ubuntu-java.html
[01:14] <LiamW> most things are working very well. however, whenever I press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to get to tty1 the entire system locks up. I can no longer reach it via ssh and the numpad light on the keyboard stops responding.
[01:14] <Beldar> buriedalive, You want applause, I did not ask for help.
[01:14] <buriedalive> Beldar: no no
[01:14] <LiamW> that also means that Ctrl+Alt+F7 to try to get back to X doesn't work either
[01:14] <jak2000> is for me? right
[01:15] <buriedalive> Beldar: say to work after
[01:15] <Beldar> !cookie | buriedalive
[01:15] <Beldar> ;)
[01:15] <jak2000> :)
[01:15] <buriedalive> no
[01:15] <Beldar> than be sure not to explain, lol
[01:18] <buriedalive> just I rally want to help)
[01:19] <jak2000> buriedalive accept a pm?
[01:19] <buriedalive> 8-20 am)
[01:20] <jak2000> private message :)
[01:20] <buriedalive> and you?
[01:20] <jak2000> here 7:20 pm my gmt is -7
[01:21] <buriedalive> cool
[01:21] <buriedalive> u from?
[01:21] <jak2000> mexico
[01:21] <jak2000> and you?
[01:21] <buriedalive> russia
[01:21] <jak2000> you are connected on russian network?
[01:21] <jak2000> not
[01:21] <buriedalive> of course
[01:22] <buriedalive> russia
[01:22] <jak2000> wich server?
[01:22] <fabz> hello world !
[01:22] <buriedalive> wait, what do u mean?
[01:23] <jak2000> buriedalive see a private message
[01:23] <buriedalive> irc serv?
[01:23] <jak2000> yes irc serv
[01:24] <jak2000> Beldar: you remember this song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SECVGN4Bsgg
[01:34] <sample_user> hello?
[01:34]  * sample_user hears crickets.
[01:34] <LiamW> *chirp*
[01:34] <Mobutils> *chirp.
[01:34] <Mobutils> damn
[01:35] <Mobutils> to slow
[01:35] <sample_user> lol
[01:35] <sample_user> For a channel with 1500 people in it, it's pretty quiet in here.
[01:35] <LiamW> nah
[01:36] <Mobutils> you have only been on for like 3 min
[01:36] <sample_user> Fair enough.
[01:36] <klemax> I have some problems such as sound sizzle while watching videos on youtube or dailymotion.
[01:37] <Mobutils> oh the infamous sizzle problem….
[01:38] <klemax> Mobutils: yeah, do you have any idea about how to fix?
[01:39] <Mobutils> no clue man, that’s not much to go on.
[01:40] <mavidoritos> can i use pure debian with only openbox?
[01:40] <mavidoritos> i dont want to use xfce or lxde or gnome or any others
[01:40] <mavidoritos> i tihnk it will be faster with only openbox
[01:40] <loekanle> is this were people get  tech support??
[01:41] <loekanle> I need help with my linux distro????
[01:41] <Beldar> loekanle, What does the channel header say?
[01:42] <Beldar> Official Ubuntu Support Channel  not linux but ubuntu
[01:43] <loekanle> Ok good Im in the right place then, my ubuntu 12.04 wont get pass the loading screen
[01:43] <Beldar> mavidoritos, Ask debian they hace a channel.
[01:43] <Beldar> have*
[01:43] <LiamW> loekanle: are you unable to log in?
[01:44] <mavidoritos> Beldar, ok mate thanks :)
[01:44] <LiamW> loekanle: or is it worse? are you never presented with the greeter?
[01:44] <loekanle> yes  when I hit control & ALT & T I get
[01:45] <loekanle> Iposted pics https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/conky/+question/252199
[01:46] <loekanle> it doenst get past greeter it stuck on the purple screen just loading
[01:46] <LiamW> loekanle: press Ctrl+Alt+F1
[01:46] <LiamW> are you presented with a textual login screen?
[01:47] <loekanle> Ok ill try that Im running on my windows right now, I will log off and back onto ubuntu
[01:48] <loekanle> if it work thanks
[01:48] <LiamW> loekanle: I suggest that if you have another computer, stay connected there
[01:51] <Nesh> Hi, can anyone help me out with a problem I have with dual booting ubuntu ?
[01:51] <LiamW> sure
[01:51] <Mrloafbo1> exit
[01:52] <Nesh> Thanks, for some reason ubuntu doesn't show up on the boot menu when i start my computer
[01:52] <LiamW> Nesh: do you have grub currently installed?
[01:52] <Nesh> I've done a boot-repair and this was given http://paste.ubuntu.com/7909314/
[01:53] <Nesh> I'm not actually sure if I have it installed or not
[01:53] <LiamW> if you don't, you can still boot ubuntu with super grub disk
[01:53] <samuel> any way to ignore csrf tokens for specific routes?
[01:54] <LiamW> Nesh: sorry, that paste link is timing out
[01:54] <LiamW> ok, loaded
[01:54] <crazyman> hı all
[01:54] <LiamW> Nesh: did your computer ship with Windows 8 installed?
[01:55] <Nesh> Yes it was preinsalled
[01:55] <LiamW> Nesh: are you aware that your EFI bootloader is in a mode known as "secure boot"?
[01:56] <samuel> any way to ignore csrf tokens for specific routes?
[01:56] <Nesh> I wasn't aware of that, I thought I had disabled it
[01:56] <LiamW> you'll still be able to boot ubuntu with Super Grub2 Disk but I would probably abandon all hopes of starting it with grub
[01:56] <crazyman> türk varmı lan
[01:57] <mavidoritos> crazyman, var
[01:57] <crazyman> güzel
 you'll still be able to boot ubuntu with Super Grub2 Disk but I would probably abandon all hopes of starting it with grub  Why would you say that?
[01:57] <crazyman> bu ne sıcak ya
[01:57] <LiamW> Beldar: I've tried to deal with that pesky secure boot thing before with plenty of google and I could not figure it out
[01:58] <LiamW> maybe I just followed directions wrong, idk. but I couldn't do it
[01:58] <Beldar> LiamW, That does not mean others with more experience can't.
[01:59] <LiamW> Beldar: it could have also been a UEFI bug/hardware problem as well
[01:59] <annoymouse> Hey
[01:59] <Beldar> LiamW, If you have no real answers than leave it for those that might. Making statements sound resolute is not helping
[02:00] <annoymouse> Can I run Ubuntu 14.04 as a LiveCD
[02:00] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, yes, you can
[02:00] <Beldar> annoymouse, dvd yes
[02:00] <annoymouse> as in on a flash drive with persistence?
[02:00] <ObrienDave> yes
[02:00] <Beldar> annoymouse, Yes, however it has limitations research those.
[02:00] <annoymouse> and how would I do that?
[02:01] <LiamW> I'd use UNetBootin
[02:01] <ObrienDave> using unetbootin to burn ISO to USB
[02:01] <annoymouse> Beldar: Like what?
[02:02] <Beldar> Nesh, The ubuntu forums besides here has help I would make a thread there with uefi in the header and post the script.
[02:02] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, burn ISO to DVD, use DVD to install to USB. it becomes a complete stand alone system that way
[02:02] <Beldar> annoymouse, I can't walk you through every issue, what is your end goal?
[02:02] <benyamin> hello... can anyone help me? i have a problem with nvidia that cause my start up screen change into a such kind of terminal and that make me weird looking at it. i have try fixing on grub and also adding framebuffer=y but still, not working well, only shutdown splash back to normal.. can anyone help? i really happy if its.. thanks allot!
[02:03] <annoymouse> ObrienDave: I can't install directly to a USB?
[02:03] <LiamW> benyamin: add "nomodeset" to the kernel parameters
[02:03] <annoymouse> Beldar: Is there any major features that will be missing
[02:04] <Beldar> annoymouse, Can you read posts I asked a specific question.
[02:05] <annoymouse> Beldar: ?
[02:05] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, read up ^^^^^
[02:05] <Beldar> Beldar> annoymouse, I can't walk you through every issue, what is your end goal?
[02:05] <annoymouse> Just to mess around with Ubuntu
[02:05] <annoymouse> not really a specific goal
[02:05] <annoymouse> I just want to check it out
[02:06] <Beldar> annoymouse, Ah well I would use a virtual for that.
[02:06] <Beldar> or just install
[02:06] <annoymouse> Install on my main partition?
[02:06] <annoymouse> not really an option for me
[02:06] <Bashing-om> benyamin: How did you attempt to install(s) the Nvidia graphics driver ? .. How you did install dependes on what to do, to correct the problem.
[02:07] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, no, install to USB
[02:07] <Beldar> annoymouse, Main partition?
[02:07] <annoymouse> Beldar: Yes. As in replace my OS
[02:08] <Beldar> annoymouse, If you have a large enough usb say 8 gigs than do a full install, and be sure to get help on this.
[02:08] <Mrono> I'm trying to get wifi working on the thinkpad t540p, the ucode is there for iwlwifi-7260-7.ucode but it's not seeing the card
[02:08] <Mrono> bluetooth does work
[02:08] <annoymouse> Beldar: Help from where?
[02:09] <ObrienDave> help from here
[02:09] <Beldar> annoymouse, This is ubuntu support how about here.
[02:09] <annoymouse> That's what I came to do
[02:09] <annoymouse> I have my flash drive ready
[02:09] <Beldar> really
[02:09] <Beldar> ObrienDave, All yours bro.
[02:10] <ObrienDave> Beldar, nope, your team ;P
[02:10] <fenix01> hi
[02:10]  * Beldar checks his samual jackson quotes
[02:10] <ObrienDave> rofl
[02:10] <fenix01> for i use pc and internet i am very sick
[02:11] <morpheus_gr> annoymouse, did u check this? http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows
[02:11] <annoymouse> I'm on Mac
[02:11] <fenix01> do you know it ?
[02:11] <Beldar> Mrono, Run lspci and identify just the wifi hardware
[02:11] <Mrono> Beldar: it finds the wireless adaptor
[02:12] <Beldar> Beldar> Mrono, Run lspci and identify just the wifi hardware
[02:12] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, that would have been nice to know from the beginning
[02:12] <annoymouse> ObrienDave: No one asked me what OS I was running lol
[02:12] <morpheus_gr> annoymouse, there are also instructions for osx http://www.ubuntu.com/download/desktop/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[02:12] <Beldar> !mac | annoymouse might be worth reading in general
[02:13] <Beldar> future use maybe
[02:13] <morpheus_gr> although as mentioned earlier if u just want to try it why don't you setup a virtual machine instead?
[02:14] <benyamin> err... any suggestion for my problem?
[02:14] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, and you did not think that would be important?
[02:14] <ObrienDave> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#Creating_a_bootable_Ubuntu_USB_flash_drive_from_Mac_OSX
[02:14] <Beldar> benyamin, You had three answers
[02:14] <Mrono> Beldar: it see's the wireless, how do I use it
[02:15] <Beldar> Mrono, Do you understand my request?
[02:15] <Bashing-om> benyamin: My last ^^ .
[02:15] <Mrono> Beldar: aparently not
[02:15] <benyamin> @bashing-om : i just install from repo
[02:15] <Beldar> Mrono, In ubuntu open a terminal type lspci and in the data shown find the wifi hardware and post it to the channel.
[02:16] <benyamin> before i install from .run package.. so i think if i use the repo it could be better... but stilll -___-
[02:16] <Mrono> Beldar: oh you want me to post it here, sorry
[02:16] <benyamin> i fix it using this... http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCgQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.binarytides.com%2Fubuntu-fix-nvidia-graphics%2F&ei=9qbZU7qwDIiwuATgp4GoDw&usg=AFQjCNEHX_X_R4yGAKsOmR28W-d2lMUZHg&sig2=n64O6ei7CA2u5lNxmWPOFw
[02:17] <annoymouse> morpheus_gr: Those directions seem to be about making an installer
[02:17] <Bashing-om> benyamin: Makes things easier then .. OK, can you get to the desk top when you boot from a 'recovery' kernel in grub's boot menu ?
[02:17] <Mrono> Beldar: 04:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8192EE PCIe Wireless Network Adapter
[02:17] <annoymouse> morpheus_gr: I want to run Ubuntu permanently from the USB
[02:17] <benyamin> what means? i'm don't understand.. :s
[02:18] <benyamin> i'm in my desktop now(?) {my laptop}
[02:19] <Beldar> Mrono, some realteks are a hassle some work just fine, here are three threads, http://askubuntu.com/search?q=RTL8192EE
[02:19] <morpheus_gr> annoymouse, it will work as a live usb
[02:19] <damian-> any of you guys know much about LVM installs? (i have no idea what they are..). but trying to do a grub-install results in 'warning: file system ext2 doesn't support embedding'
[02:19] <annoymouse> with persistence though?
[02:19] <Bashing-om> benyamin: " install from .run package" Now, that makes it the more difficult.
[02:20] <benyamin> oh, i'm not using it. i using from the additional driver. err.. i just read it back.. you mean i must reboot my computer and go to recovery mode?
[02:20] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, that is the limitation of the 'live' USB. however, is you do a real install to the USB it becomes a stand alone system. which is what you want
[02:21] <ObrienDave> *if you
[02:21] <morpheus_gr> annoymouse, not really but also check this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2174630
[02:21] <Beldar> Mrono, Probably worth looking around this google search while waiting, https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=ubuntu+RTL8192EE+&btnG=Google+Search&gbv=1
[02:21] <Bashing-om> benyamin: In order in sinstall any other driver, first is to remove the driver from the .run file ..
[02:22] <annoymouse> ObrienDave: Is there anyway to avoid requiring two USB drives though?
[02:22] <Bashing-om> s/sinstall/install
[02:22] <benyamin> now. i just fresh install my xubuntu and yesterday i just install the nvidia driver
[02:23] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, yes, burn ISO to DVD. use DVD to install to USB. i can't give you specific Mac instructions
[02:23] <annoymouse> I mean avoid requiring two data storage devices
[02:24] <LiamW> annoymouse: if you're really concerned, just use unetbootin
[02:24] <Beldar> !who | benyamin you want this
[02:24] <benyamin> @beldar : ok
[02:25] <ObrienDave> unetbootin only makes a live USB, you have to INSTALL to USB if you want a stand alone system
[02:25] <benyamin> !tab
[02:25] <Beldar> benyamin, You can tyoe the first few letters of a nick and complete with the tab key
[02:25] <LiamW> on most clients
[02:25] <Beldar> very good
[02:25] <benyamin> bash !tab test
[02:25] <benyamin> !tab bash test
[02:25] <Beldar> not a client issue its thew freenode OS
[02:26] <benyamin> @beldar : argh -___- manual is better...
[02:26] <jakesyl> is there a 1 line adduser wrapper i can use to add a user and set a pass?
[02:27] <Beldar> benyamin, Honestly if you don't understand tab complete I have little hope for you on a nvidia issue. ;)
[02:27] <Meaux> Hi all!
[02:27] <Beldar> jakesyl, Where
[02:27] <jakesyl> what do you mean where, add a user to an ubuntu server?
[02:27] <Beldar> here your os the bank
[02:28] <benyamin> @Beldar : uhmmm okay. but how?
[02:28] <Beldar> benyamin, Type bel and hit the tab key
[02:28] <jakesyl> benyamin hit tab and it'll complete the current dir that you were typing
[02:28] <Meaux> Tab is your best friend
[02:28] <Martin204> cd ~
[02:29] <Meaux> Anyone know how to set the client side encryption/hash with LDAP?
[02:29] <benyamin> Beldar, oh god :s i'm some kind of jerk, but it's workin
[02:29] <LiamW> oh man, I just remember to install zsh
[02:29] <jakesyl> cd ~/[starttypingoneletter] *tab*
[02:29] <Beldar> benyamin, very nice. ;)
[02:29] <ObrienDave> there is hope for benyamin yet ;P
[02:30] <TJ-> jakesyl: I thought we covered that with that script yesterday?
[02:30] <Beldar> LiamW, For the record this is not chat, or guessing.
[02:30] <benyamin> Beldar, can you help me :o I'm sometimes not focus on the chat i just wake up and get bad cough -____- (Sorry)
[02:30] <benyamin> ObrienDave, okay, what kind of hope :o
[02:30] <jakesyl> TJ-  it was impossible to implement as a subprocess in python... sorry ;(
[02:30] <SidBR> algum BR aqui?
[02:30] <Beldar> benyamin, I have no real nvidia experience is all.
[02:30] <TJ-> jakesyl: how do you mean, as a sub-process?
[02:31] <Beldar> !pt | SidBR
[02:31] <benyamin> Beldar, u use noveau?
[02:31] <jakesyl> but ya i even tried doing the calculations outside of the subprocess
[02:31] <TJ-> jakesyl: why would it not work as a sub-process?
[02:31] <Beldar> benyamin, No real graphic experience to be honest, much better helpers than me in this
[02:32] <Bashing-om> benyamin: let's see if a script is available to remove the proprietary driver. What returns from terminal command -> sudo find / -name "NVIDIA-Linux-*" <- . This command will take some time to complete, wait for it to complete.
[02:32] <renebarbosa> SidBR, /j #ubuntu-br lots of brazilians there
[02:32] <jakesyl> then someone over at #python said he thought there was a wrapper and TJ- absolutely no idea, if i had more time i would paste my output but i only have 5 minutes just needed to know if there was a wrapper
[02:33] <benyamin> Bashing-om, errr, why i should remove propierty driver?
[02:33] <TJ-> jakesyl: I don't understand where the Python comes in ... are you trying to integrate the functionality into a Python script?
[02:33] <jakesyl> TJ- yes
[02:34] <Bashing-om> benyamin: I understand that tou have a graphics issue with your xubuntu system, that you 1st attempted to install a driver from Nvidia, and next tried to install from "Additionnal Drivers" utility, and still have a graphics problem . no ?
[02:34] <Bashing-om> tou/you*
[02:35] <damian-> no one at all can help me? :'(
[02:35] <jakesyl> damian- what's your question?
[02:36] <jakesyl> awesome the plane has wifi
[02:36] <jakesyl> woops wrong irc
[02:36] <damian-> i'm having issues reinstalling the grub bootloader onto my system after a release-upgrade buggered it. not sure how it's done when i'm (apparently?) using lvm?
[02:36] <TJ-> jakesyl: does the Python script run as root (so it doesn't need to invoke via "sudo bash /path/to/script.bash" ?
[02:36] <damian-> just errors out when i do grub-install saying 'file system ext2 doesnt support embedding'
[02:36] <jakesyl> nope sudo not su
[02:36] <Beldar> !user | jakesyl
[02:37] <jakesyl> Beldar, i'm writing a shell script that's being executed by a python subprocess
[02:38] <Beldar> cool
[02:38] <benyamin> Bashing-om, only for startup screen, otherwise normal
[02:38] <Martin204> su su sudio
[02:39] <jakesyl> wait tj- where in this script do you actually say adduser:
[02:39] <TJ-> jakesyl: If you need python to be able to execute a privileged script, you could specify it in sudoers as "... NOPASSWD: /bin/bash /path/to/script" to allow the python process user ID to invoke the script
[02:40] <jakesyl> that's so much easier, but would i have to be sudoer
[02:40] <jakesyl> su*
[02:40] <jakesyl> also why nopasswd
[02:40] <damian-> nopasswd means you don't need sudoer, doesn't it? :P
[02:40] <benyamin> Bashing-om, i install my driver from additional driver
[02:40] <Bashing-om> benyamin: "startup screen" is that also the grub boot menu, that you are refering to ? ?
[02:40] <TJ-> jakesyl: The user account running the python script would need to have the entry in the sudoers file, and you'd need to be able to add that entry of course
[02:40] <TJ-> jakesyl: the script when I left it with you last night was https://gist.github.com/iam-TJ/893716f37936fc411dbd
[02:40] <benyamin> Bashing-om, splash screen plymouth
[02:41] <benyamin> Bashing-om, the grub working normaly
[02:41] <jakesyl> but why the no passwd
[02:42] <TJ-> jakesyl: so that when the python script exec's "sudo /bin/bash /path/to/script" the 'sudo' doesn't cause a prompt for the user account password
[02:42] <Bashing-om> benyamin: I regret to say, I know little of how xubuntu invokes the splash screen, others will have to advise.
[02:42] <jakesyl> so anyone with an account sshing in can exec this script with no password?
[02:43] <TJ-> jakesyl: Assuming the Python process is unprivileged (not executing as root) then it'd need that in order to execute the script successfully, since adduser and usermod require root privs
[02:43] <jakesyl> and to execute as root would i have to be sudo or su?
[02:43] <TJ-> jakesyl: No, only the user account(s)/group(s) named in sudoers
[02:44] <jakesyl> okay i can do that' so just skip the no password
[02:45] <benyamin> Bashing-om, it also happened to my ubuntu 14.04 lts before, i just reinstall xubuntu because i love mice(huh -___-)
[02:45] <TJ-> jakesyl: why would you skip the NOPASSWD ? The point of that is to allow the script to run successfully as a sub-process of python, without user interactivity. I thought that was what you were trying to achieve.
[02:45] <jakesyl> TJ- here's my problem all my users are sshing in and i don't want them to freely be able to add users, which if i understand correctly they could do with NOPASSWD
[02:45] <benyamin> Bashing-om, just kidding, but i really replace my ubuntu with xubuntu. hopping better things happened, but still same. i hope :( a lot...
[02:46] <TJ-> jakesyl: OK, as normal users they can't add users without elevated privileges.
[02:46] <jakesyl> okay got it
[02:47] <TJ-> jakesyl: I thought, from your description, that you have some kind of Python long-running daemon that based on user interaction is able to add a user in the background. Maybe I mis-understood. That is the solution I've been addressing with the sudoers and NOPASSWD
[02:47] <benyamin> Bashing-om, btw, forget about it.. i think only splash screen doesnt change anything, hehe... i also have problem with XIM on xubuntu, can you help me? i just try and browse anything in the internet, no one reffer about XIM on Xubuntu. they removed i bus :(
[02:48] <jakesyl> no that's about right
[02:49] <jakesyl> wait is there an extension to bash files
[02:49] <Mrono> .sh i think
[02:49] <SchrodingersScat> jakesyl: #bash would say no
[02:49] <TJ-> jakesyl: OK, so the question now becomes is it trivial for any user to cause that script to add a user? If so then adding to sudoers is a security risk. If the python script is in total control of whether the useradd functionality can be used by the user, then it could use the sudoers solution
[02:50] <Bashing-om> benyamin: I just do not know what could affect the splash screen and still able to boot to a good graphics on the desk top, maybe you have edited the '/etc/default/grub' file ( removed splash ??).
[02:51] <TJ-> jakesyl: Depends... if you want to make clear a file is a bash script without having to inspect it, putting .bash helps. I use .sh and .bash to differentiate my scripts where I don't expect to turn them into full executables
[02:51] <jakesyl> wait tj- problem with adding the file to bin/bash, no way to add arguments (i don't think)
[02:52] <Mrono> how do I reverse install -d
[02:53] <TJ-> Bashing-om: benyamin: I've seen plymouth splash corruption when GRUB starts in graphics mode and hands over to the OS which expects the console to be in a different mode, which means its writes to screen look corrupted
[02:53] <TJ-> jakesyl: you mean "/bin/bash /path/to/script arg1 arg2 arg3" ? that is perfectly fine
[02:54] <reborn> hey.
[02:54] <reborn> i plan to install netflix by ppa, but is it only 64-bit?
[02:54] <Beldar> Mrono, I would add the context of the use of install -d
[02:55] <buriedalive> hello reborn:
[02:55] <buriedalive> Beldar: so?
[02:55] <Beldar> !ppa | reborn
[02:55] <Mrono> Beldar: I am attempting to reverse the commands on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2190347&page=2
[02:55] <jakesyl> so TJ- my only question is, i see where you read usernames and stuff but where do you actually call add user
[02:55] <TJ-> jakesyl: line #15
[02:55] <Mrono> Beldar: I ran make -n install to see what it did and one of them was install -d "/usr/share/-dkms"
[02:56] <jakesyl> k thanks
[02:56] <buriedalive> Beldar: so what?
[02:56] <reborn> i just asking for if is it only 64-bit?
[02:56] <Beldar> Mrono, I would use the ubuntu forums  chili555's the best help in this area there.
[02:56] <Mrono> alright, thanks :)
[02:56] <buriedalive> mm
[02:56] <jakesyl> thanks for all your help TJ- gtg
[02:56] <Beldar> reborn, Look at the ppa's web page.
[02:57] <TJ-> jakesyl: The script could just as easily take $1 as username and $2 as password, which could be passed in on the command-line from Python, or set via the environment first (to prevent the password being visible in "ps" output
[02:58] <buriedalive> sudo aptitude purge ~njava
[02:58] <buriedalive> Beldar:
[02:58] <jakesyl> ya i'll just take args, do you think it's better to do the password stuff in shell or python
[02:59] <TJ-> jakesyl: If Python is the controlling process it'd be best to take them there and pass them to the script, so the script isn't interactive with the user in any way
[02:59] <benyamin> anyway. thx
[02:59] <Bashing-om> benyamin: Not sure I understand xim = "custom compose key sequences " ??
[02:59] <reborn> thanks, i got it.
[02:59] <Beldar> cool
[03:01] <buriedalive> alright
[03:01] <TJ-> jakesyl: I've updated the bash script now (just refresh the page) so it checks if there are 2 arguments on the command-line. If there are it uses those and doesn't prompt for the username/password
[03:02] <jakesyl> thanks!
[03:02] <Bashing-om> TJ-: IRT benyamin " GRUB starts in graphics mode and hands over to the OS which expects the console -> " that would indeed be a learning experience for me .
[03:03] <TJ-> Bashing-om: These days by default GRUB sets a graphical console (on non EFI boots) unless "GRUB_TERMINAL=console" is set
[03:06] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Yeah, I am aware of that one ( learned the hard way), and have played about with exporting the display. I do look to learn more about grub and the booting process // all in due time and effort.
[03:06] <TJ-> Bashing-om: When it works it is great... when it fails....!
[03:07] <Bashing-om> TJ-: When it fails it gets interesting !
[03:07] <TJ-> Bashing-om: I challenged myself a couple years back to get the background to be the same from GRUB splash, through plymouth, the greeter, and finally my user desktop... that was how I learned about this part!
[03:08] <_Nicco_> Hi would anyone care to provide a link to show me how to add something to my PATH environment variable
[03:09] <Loshki> _Nicco_: maybe this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/unix-linux-adding-path/
[03:09] <Bashing-om> TJ-: Now that is "reading the code" ! To know what is happening .
[03:09] <TJ-> _Nicco_: "export PATH="$PATH:/my/additional/dir"
[03:10] <_Nicco_> TJ-, thanks
[03:10] <_Nicco_> I'll try that
[03:10] <TJ-> Bashing-om: yeah, I had a great photo of the Angel of the North (landmark in N.E. England) ... trouble was, I couldn't read the console text messages easily whether white or black text, so I abandoned it :)
[03:10] <buriedalive> cool, now I know
[03:13] <buriedalive> .to /bashrc
[03:14] <buriedalive> ?
[03:15] <Bashing-om> TJ-: I only messsed about with that a little bit, I did find means to change the text colors, but was never real pleased .. in the end I find I like fast and simple more// There remains more about grub I do not know than what I do !
[03:16] <damian-> OK! i've installed grub again, but now i don't know how to actually boot my OS. any help would be appreciated, successfully boot into grub>
[03:16] <TJ-> Bashing-om: Yeah... it's really powerful under the hood. I use encrypted /boot/ partition with GRUB_ENABLE_CRYPTODISK=y too
[03:17] <Bashing-om> damian-: Logical Volumn Management is out of me sphere of knowlege, but - I would expect that the boot code must reside out side of LVM and in a seperate /boot partition ???
[03:18] <damian-> well, i wiped the entire /boot partition (as it was fscked)
[03:19] <damian-> but i copied all of it to my root/tboot
[03:19] <damian-> so that SHOULD have the linux kernel in it, correct?
[03:19] <TJ-> damian-: So, you have a "grub>" prompt right now? or a "rescue>" ?
[03:19] <damian-> grub>
[03:20] <damian-> and if i do 'ls (lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot' i get a list of my old /boot
[03:20] <buriedalive> fdisk -l
[03:20] <buriedalive> see
[03:20] <damian-> fdisk invalid command
[03:20] <buriedalive> root
[03:20] <buriedalive> sudo
[03:20] <damian-> only have boot, cat, configfile, initrd, insmod, linux, loop, ls, lsmod, normal, search, set, vbeinfo
[03:20] <TJ-> damian-: OK ... I can probably give you the commands you need but you may have to fiddle them a bit if you see errors
[03:20] <damian-> i think i have to linux <kernel> before i can do anything?
[03:21] <damian-> that's alright TJ-, i am good at fiddling :d
[03:21] <TJ-> damian-: "set prefix=(lvm/leonardo-root)" or possibly "set  prefix=(lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot"
[03:22] <TJ-> damian-:  then  "set  root=(lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot"
[03:22] <damian-> yup
[03:22] <TJ-> damian-: now you should be able to do "linux vmlinuzXXXXXX" to select the kernel
[03:23] <TJ-> damian-: And, if I recall correctly, "initrd initrd.imgXXXXXX" to select the matching initial ramdisk
[03:23] <damian-> okily dokily, lemme see what vmlinuz's i have
[03:23] <damian-> vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic
[03:24] <TJ-> damian-: So this is a 14.04 Trusty install :)
[03:24] <Bashing-om> damian-: I help ya in the thought process, as I can .. the kernel does reside in /boot, but grub must call it from the boot code that is installed elsewhere, say perhaps the stage 1 boot code is installed to the MBR ( sector 0), I do not know how to define that path to say /boot/grub for the remainder of the boot code.
[03:24] <damian-> bugger, it seems the i386-pc directory didn't copy across with the rest of my /boot contents
[03:25] <damian-> which means modules aren't there
[03:25] <TJ-> damian-: Argggh!
[03:26] <damian-> lol, i agree.
[03:26] <damian-> do you know of a way to reinstall the kernel/modules from the rescue prompt?
[03:26] <damian-> i think that could be the past piece of my puzzle
[03:28] <TJ-> damian-: it might still boot... but I forgot, the "linux..." line needs the "root=/path/to/root/file-system" as well, so I guess you'd need to do "linux /vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic root=/dev/mapper/leonardo-root vt.handoff=7 single"
[03:29] <TJ-> damian-: If GRUB's core.img has the file-system modules built-in (it looks to have since you can list the file-system in an LVM LV), then that might get you into Recovery mode
[03:29] <Sirena> Loads of people in here.
[03:29] <TJ-> damian-: when all that is done, use "boot" to try to boot with those settings
[03:29] <damian-> nah, she still bugs out with couldn't find linux.mod
[03:30] <damian-> (tried both the set prefix's that you suggested above as well)
[03:30] <TJ-> damian-: OK, let's cheat here :)
[03:30] <damian-> i like cheating
[03:30] <buriedalive> damian-: dont run
[03:30] <TJ-> damian-: You installed grub-pc package to that system?
[03:30] <buriedalive> for bug
[03:30] <damian-> i don't know what that means. i did grub-install /dev/sda
[03:31] <buriedalive> and?
[03:31] <damian-> and restarted, which put me to this prompt.. lol
[03:31] <TJ-> damian-: Do this: "insmod /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/linux.mod" and tell me if it works ?
[03:31] <TJ-> damian-: ignore that!
[03:31] <TJ-> damian-: Do this: "insmod (lvm/leonardo-root)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/linux.mod" and tell me if it works ?
[03:32] <Sirena> Let's see if I can get this thing to install outside of Winderhz
[03:32] <damian-> lol, that almost worked; came up with video.mod not found
[03:32] <buriedalive> hm hm
[03:33] <damian-> can i just set my path to (lvm/leonardo-root)/usr/lib/grub ?
[03:33] <TJ-> damian-: OK so... "insmod (lvm/leonardo-root)/usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/video.mod" first
[03:33] <damian-> prefix, rather
[03:33] <TJ-> damian-: if you change root or prefix then it'll affect finding the kernel
[03:34] <damian-> ah
[03:34] <Beldar> Sirena, I you need help just ask.
[03:34] <TJ-> damian-: Try it... you can change it back once you've loaded all the required modules after all
[03:34] <TJ-> damian-: We only need to get you started into Linux once, then you can fix grub from there
[03:34] <damian-> cool, i set the prefix to ^^ then insmod linux and it worked fine
[03:35] <damian-> so if i change it back and do 'linux ..' to load the linuz *cross fingers*
[03:35] <TJ-> damian-: I've generated a sorted list of the contents of the grub-pc-bin package that contains all the modules, so you can look them up easily as needed: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7910804/
[03:36] <TJ-> damian-: before you can do "boot" you'll need to do "insmod boot" too
[03:36] <damian-> ahh cool, thanks
[03:37] <buriedalive> You do not understand, never updated if it works
[03:37] <buriedalive> why need?
[03:37] <damian-> linux vmlinuz* results in (lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot not found
[03:37] <damian-> lol buriedalive, because it told me to.. duh!
[03:38] <Blue1> I have an old compaq presario (vintage 2001) -- xubuntu works fine except for flash - tried gnash - almost works but not quite - suggestions?
[03:38] <TJ-> Blue1: avoid Adobe Flash
[03:38] <Blue1> TJ-: what will work on something that old?
[03:39] <Sirena> This OS has come quite a way.
[03:39] <Bashing-om> damian-: TJ- :: Fot think'n purposes, I can boot my "normal" insta;; -> linux (hd0,msdos1)/vmlinuz root =dev/sda1 ro , initrd (hd0,msdos1)/initrd.img , boot <-. Where "prefix and root " and "insmod" are already set. Do we just need to define the hard drive and where the kernel's files are located  for booting LVM ?
[03:39] <damian-> yeah
[03:40] <damian-> well my kernel files (should) be in (lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot -- as long as i did copy them all over
[03:41] <damian-> cool, i think i go tthat
[03:41] <TJ-> Blue1: for what? I mean, avoid trying to display flash code at all. Adobe no longer support it on Linux so any security vulnerabilities leave you open
[03:41] <damian-> linux (lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic root=/dev/sda1 ro
[03:41] <damian-> didn't fail..
[03:41] <damian-> now boot......
[03:41] <buriedalive> stop
[03:42]  * damian- halts
[03:42] <TJ-> Bashing-om: The problem here is "insmod normal" "normal" is only good where the /boot/grub/i386-pc/ directory, and the /boot/grub/grub.cfg, exist
[03:42] <Bashing-om> TJ-: damian- :: something like (hd0,lvm/leonardo-root)/boot/grub ... then ???
[03:42] <TJ-> Bashing-om: and damian- is missing those, so we're having to do the menu.cfg script's job manually
[03:42] <Beldar> Blue1, Is this ancient computer your only one?
[03:42] <damian-> i think 'lvm/leonardo-root' takes over the 'hd0' part
[03:43] <TJ-> damian-: you need to use the correct linux... line!
[03:43] <damian-> before we continue, i'm just going to try something
[03:43] <buriedalive> use eselect kernel list
[03:43] <TJ-> damian-: "linux /vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic root=/dev/mapper/leonardo-root ro vt.handoff=7 single"
[03:43] <damian-> (because i crashed the machine when i boot)
[03:43] <buriedalive> eselect kernel set numberofkernel
[03:44] <buriedalive> and restructurize
[03:44] <Blue1> Beldar: no -- I am trying to ressurect this for a friend.
[03:44] <buriedalive> emerge -1 @module-rebuild
[03:44] <TJ-> damian-: ensure you've reset "set root=(lvm/leonardo-root)/tboot"
[03:45] <damian-> yup
[03:45] <damian-> i'm just going to reconfigure something first
[03:45] <Blue1> TJ-: flash is required to run flash videos
[03:45] <damian-> and let me say, i really appreciate your help
[03:45] <Blue1> such as youtube
[03:45] <Beldar> Blue1, Oka is it their only computer, the point being is using it in a safe way.
[03:45] <TJ-> Bashing-om: in the root device definition, lvm is in place of hd0 ... it indicates an lvm device, as opposed to hd0 indicating the first physical hard disk (as reported by BIOS)
[03:46] <buriedalive> with your device not a way
[03:46] <nholloway2007> I have an Authentec 2665 driver. There are no drivers for it. Where would I go to get an intro to writing my own?
[03:46] <TJ-> Blue1: I wouldn't touch it... it is so full of security holes, and not been updated by Adobe since 2012
[03:46] <buriedalive> just wait
[03:46] <TJ-> buriedalive: Do you require support for an Ubuntu issue?
[03:46] <Blue1> TJ-: I understand that -- that said -- I still need it so they can use youtube and some functions on facebook --
[03:46] <buriedalive> TJ-: I'm not sure
[03:47] <TJ-> buriedalive: Please take other comments to #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:47] <Blue1> TJ-: like it or not, security flaws and all - it is very much a part of the net landscape ---
[03:47] <Sirena> I think I'm finally about to install.
[03:48] <TJ-> damian-: let me know how you're getting on... its almost 5am here and I'd like to get back to bed ;)
[03:48] <Beldar> Sirena, This is support not chat, keep that in mind.
[03:48] <Sirena> Ahh, I assumed that.
[03:48] <buriedalive> TJ-: to need?
[03:49] <damian-> lol, cool
[03:49] <damian-> well i'm just taking a dig around. it seems the /boot/grub/i386-pc folder is there, i just needed to put 'grub' in the prefix
[03:49] <Beldar> Blue1, Are you all like in a desolate section of the world and this old computer is the only option?
[03:50]  * ObrienDave is ;P
[03:50] <Blue1> Beldar: for this person, yes.
[03:51] <Blue1> Beldar: I would not be at this juncture if there were another option
[03:51] <damian-> i have booted into the recovery mode (so i have at least functions), now trying an apt-get --reinstall on the linux kernel
[03:52] <damian-> as (i believe) it boots from the disc, but then uses my root / boot partitions afterwards
[03:52] <damian-> so hopefully this will create all of the files i need in their proper place, and might even make me a grub.cfg? :P
[03:52] <Beldar> Blue1, That is your words however we don't know the options available or if you know either. Honestly this is hard to believe and even that it will run xubuntu in any functional way.
[03:54] <TJ-> damian-: ensure you do "grub-install ..." and "update-grub" *and* read the generated "/boot/grub/grub.cfg" to ensure it looks correct and that core.img finds the correct /boot/
[03:54] <damian-> thanks
[03:54] <damian-> it looks like that failed anyway, 'subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 17'
[03:54] <Blue1> Beldar: it runs xubuntu perfectly -- except for flash.
[03:54] <damian-> but i do have a kernel in my /boot now
[03:55] <TJ-> Beldar: xubuntu runs great on older hardware... I still have a couple of 2002 Sony Vaio notebooks which run fine with 256MB orf RAM
[03:55] <buriedalive> TJ-: why he is update
[03:55] <buriedalive> he over update
[03:55] <damian-> woo. update-grub has found my linux image.. has found my root ..
[03:55] <damian-> generating grub config
[03:56] <damian-> i have no idea what the grub.cfg is meant to look like tho
[03:56] <ObrienDave> buriedalive, do you need Ubuntu support?
[03:56] <buriedalive> ObrienDave: okey
[03:57] <Blue1> xubuntu is great on old hardware
[03:57] <Beldar> Sure, however that this is the only option is hard to believe, there are organizations to help those that need help, that is really the point I wonder if has been exhausted.
[03:57] <damian-> TJ-, does this look ok: http://pastebin.com/bf4wHtj9
[03:59] <Beldar> a hobby is nice but using a tool not needed when other option may be around is not the best use of the situation, but that is my opinion.
[04:01] <Blue1> Beldar: there is an economic need here -- I am sorry If I seem to have wasted your time- that was never my intention
[04:02] <damian-> nope, she buggered still. lol
[04:02] <damian-> 'error: diskfilter writes are not supported' and then crashes
[04:02] <Beldar> Blue1, No waste of my time. Your goal flash needed.... TJ- don't use flash this makes no sense in any communication resulting in an agreement is all.
[04:03] <Beldar> just seems like a one sided argument with no resolution
[04:04] <Blue1> that I can't argue
[04:04] <Beldar> Blue1, Have you tried the chrome browser?
[04:04] <TJ-> damian-: looking (was away repairing a bite in a cycle tire!)
[04:05] <TJ-> damian-: no... you also need to run "update-initramfs -uvk all" then redo "update-grub"
[04:05] <damian-> lole damnit
[04:05] <damian-> i already rebooted, lemme see
[04:06] <TJ-> damian-: sorry... I was busy outside :0
[04:06] <damian-> nah you're right :P
[04:06] <damian-> what are you doing outside at 5am!
[04:06] <TJ-> damian-: repairing a cycle puncture... looks like a dog bit it !
[04:06] <damian-> lol, while you were riding it.. or in your yard? :|
[04:07] <Blue1> Beldar: I did that aborts with an odd crash.
[04:07] <OERIAS> Thanks Ubuntu! Now I am definitely migrating
[04:07] <TJ-> damian-: long story... it had a slow puncture yesterday, so my BF left it out to see how long it took to deflate since we couldn't find a leak... he also played with the Huskies with it ... I found it fully deflated with a gaping hole. I'm putting 2 and 2 together here :)
[04:08] <damian-> haaha
[04:08] <damian-> boys, amirite
[04:08] <TJ-> damian-: *rolls eyes
[04:08] <damian-> you are female, or gay?
[04:08] <Beldar> Blue1, There is a youtube watcher one can use with a browser, facebook is a whole other issue is all. I don't use social media myself, but other seem to have a draw to it.
[04:08] <Blue1> Beldar: it aborts with an "illegal instruction" so it's not happy about something -
[04:08] <damian-> because if female, i have to tell my partner that a lady helped me with a linux issue.. she believes that women don't exist in IT with any knowledge
[04:09] <TJ-> damian-: are you getting to the grub menu now? If so, you can edit the Ubuntu entry - possibly - to use the existing initrd.img in /tboot/
[04:09] <damian-> i'm booting back into recovery atm
[04:09] <Blue1> Beldar: tell me about the youtube watcher
[04:09] <Beldar> without a browser I meant Blue1
[04:09] <TJ-> damian-: LOL ... nah, sorry to spoil your fun on that one :)
[04:09] <damian-> bugger
[04:09] <ObrienDave> OERIAS, most welcome
[04:09] <TJ-> damian-: later :p
[04:09] <Beldar> Blue1, minitube
[04:10] <damian-> alright 'update-initramfs -uvk all' is running now
[04:10] <Blue1> Beldar: thanks let me try that
[04:10] <damian-> also, how do i manually edit the ubuntu entry (theres four or five in there - i dont know if it's booting to the correct one)
[04:10] <damian-> or does this command do that for me
[04:12] <Beldar> Blue1, I use the flash in the ubuntu repos and have never had a problem, this is linux you are not running the browser in root not that hard to use it safely.
[04:12] <Bashing-om> damian-: With the kernel line highlighted, 'e' key for edit mode.
[04:12] <TJ-> damian-: "update-initramfs" regenerates the /boot/initrd.img-XXXXX files
[04:13] <damian-> alright, both commands have been processed
[04:13] <TJ-> damian-: once that is done, you need to do "update-grub" to regenerate the /boot/grub/grub.cfg so it includes those initrd.imgXXXX files
[04:13] <damian-> you know, i've been running this VM for the last year and a half with 1gb ram + 1vpu .. didn't even realise
[04:13] <TJ-> damian-: pastebin the /boot/grub/grub.cfg and WAIT whilst I check it :)
[04:13] <damian-> saw it when this shit broke, now the server is flying
[04:13] <damian-> hahahah, cool gimme 2secs
[04:14] <TJ-> damian-: by default, the first entry in grub.cfg is the default boot entry
[04:14] <TJ-> damian-: the "update-grub" scripts in "/etc/grub.d/" that create grub.cfg list the most recent kernel versions first, so it should always boot the most recent kernel by default
[04:14] <damian-> http://pastebin.com/BCMvMpuX
[04:15] <TJ-> damian-: OK, I can see one issue there
[04:15] <damian-> yup
[04:16] <Blue1> Beldar: :-( - didn't work - i actually tried it on my 64 bit system (minitube) and it would not work on that either...
[04:16] <TJ-> damian-: It looks as if the "/etc/default/grub" doesn't have some settings, or is missing... can you "pastebinit /etc/default/grub" ?
[04:17] <damian-> http://pastebin.com/0Gg3FsGc
[04:18] <Beldar> Blue1, If it were me I would install the xubuntu-restricted-extras and use the computer safely as any one would use any other.
[04:18] <Beldar> the extras has flash
[04:19] <TJ-> damian-: ahhh, that is OK... this is a server isn't it? so no "splash quiet" on the linux command line
[04:19] <TJ-> damian-: OK, I think it is good to go
[04:19] <ObrienDave> minitube works for me
[04:19] <Beldar> Blue1, I would use a lighter de is all
[04:20] <JerryCC> Did Justin Bieber see Selena Gomez naked?
[04:20] <damian-> yeah, she's a server
[04:20]  * damian- crosses fingers
[04:20] <Beldar> Blue1, like openbox with tint2
[04:20] <Beldar> !topic | jerrcs
[04:21] <Beldar> JerryCC, ^^^^^^^^^^^ sorry jerrcs
[04:21] <Blue1> Beldar: I previously installed the xubuntu restricted extras
[04:21] <OERIAS> Ubuntu is selling out to the corporations. Disgusting #debian
[04:21] <damian-> still comes up with 'error: diskfilter writes are not supported.' on the *Ubuntu boot... but she's still going
[04:21] <Beldar> OERIAS, Don't let the door hit you on th way out. ;)
[04:22] <Blue1> Beldar: I can support xubuntu -- the other one - I have never used.  other then the flash issue xubuntu works well
[04:22] <damian-> The disk drive for /boot is not ready yet or not present.
[04:22] <damian-> but, i have a feeling that /boot is now on my root drive
[04:22] <Beldar> Blue1, What is the issue?
[04:22] <damian-> instead of on the boot partition
[04:22] <damian-> services look like they are booting
[04:23] <TJ-> damian-: You can move that around if that's the case
[04:23] <damian-> yeah
[04:23] <Blue1> Beldar: flash crashes the plugin -- I tried gnash -- which uses a 10.1 version of flashplugin -- while that "runs" it is too old to display youtube videos
[04:23] <damian-> i SHOULD just be able to remove it from my /etc/fstab yeah?
[04:23] <damian-> she boots!
[04:23] <damian-> she's unhealthy.. but she boots!
[04:24] <damian-> [sudo] password for damian:
[04:24] <damian-> no talloc stackframe at ../source3/param/loadparm.c:4864, leaking memory
[04:24] <Beldar> Blue1, Does the computer have the max ram it can run?
[04:24] <TJ-> damian-: if you don't want to keep the separate /boot/ you would need to yes, otherwise the empty  /boot/ FS will mount and hide the /boot/ in the root-FS
[04:24] <redninja> hello
[04:24] <damian-> i don't need a seperate boot partition, that was just default with the install
[04:25] <redninja> can i get help with some knowledgeable with ubuntu and reading micro SD cards?
[04:25] <damian-> well, she's up and running TJ-. i really thank you for your help with this
[04:25] <damian-> like i said, she isn't very healthy by the looks of it, but she's up!
[04:26] <damian-> from here i can at least migrate to a newer, healthier system properly
[04:26] <TJ-> damian-: Yay! shouldn't take too much now :)
[04:26] <Blue1> Beldar: it has 512 meg o ram -- which is plenty for xubuntu
[04:26] <ornj> Anybody wanna help me get a printer up and running? Or where would I go for that?
[04:26] <damian-> actually, the errors stopped after the second boot
[04:26]  * damian- hugs TJ-
[04:26] <ornj> What are min req. for Xubuntu?
[04:26] <TJ-> damian-: :)
[04:26] <ornj> n/m
[04:26] <ObrienDave> redninja, what is the issue?
[04:26] <damian-> you're my new best friend
[04:26] <ornj> I'm sorry, I can just look that up
[04:26] <Blue1> ornj: iirc 256
[04:27] <Mobutils> ahh, we are making friends!
[04:27] <ornj> I was more thinking processor, Blue
[04:27] <ADW> this is the best!
[04:27] <ornj> but thanks  :)
[04:27] <TJ-> well, this friend is finally off to bed for snuggles and sleeps! night all
[04:27] <ornj> I have a PII but will probably put SliTaz on it
[04:27] <damian-> have a good one, thanks again
[04:28] <Beldar> Blue1, I would not say plenty but yes it seems to run xubuntu, I think there are options and some youtube will run, there are low def vids. The right light desktop and use should work within limitations is all, I would max the ram is all.
[04:28] <ObrienDave> ornj, which brand of printer?
[04:28] <ornj> Canon
[04:29] <redninja> i had an old phone htc windows phone and about a year ago i lost it and i found it today buried in mud i got it cleaned and pulled the micro sd card and wanted to grab the pictures and other stuff i saved the card looks in great shape but everything i load it into says it needs to be formated due to incompatible file system and i was hoping using ubuntu i could grab the files and transffer it to a thumb drive but im having problems h
[04:29] <Blue1> Beldar: if I can find ram for a machine that is almost 14 years old
[04:29] <redninja> the card and im using a multi card reader
[04:29] <Blue1> Beldar: the problem is NOT the amount of ram --
[04:29] <Bashing-om> damian-: A small detail "GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=true" per https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 , should now be set to false.
[04:30] <damian-> thanks Bashing-om
[04:30] <Beldar> Blue1, Never said it was.
[04:30] <ObrienDave> redninja, let the card dry out for a couple of weeks and try again
[04:30] <ADW> and put that mamma jamma in some rice
[04:31] <Bashing-om> damian-: I learned a bit too from TJ- ! .. makes it all worth the while .
[04:31] <redninja> the card was never covered in mud and liek i said looks still brand new and it can be read on other phones and my windows just says incompatible filesystem
[04:31] <ornj> yeah it's not "just" a card with connectors it's got a whole little computer inside it
[04:32] <ObrienDave> redninja, ok, put card in another phone and transfer the files using USB
[04:32] <Beldar> oh looks brand new it must work.........yeah that was sarcasm
[04:33] <Jeffrey_f> redninja: put the sd card in a pile of rice for a few days
[04:33]  * ornj whines to Jeffrey_f
[04:33] <ornj> "But I wannit NOOOOOWWWWW...."
[04:33] <ObrienDave> redninja, did the card get wet?
[04:34] <Blue1> Beldar: thank you for all the suggestions -- I need a bit of a break -- if you think of anything I may have overlooked please private message -- thanks
[04:34]  * Jeffrey_f whines BUT YOU CAN'T
[04:34] <ornj> He swears it didn't, but I can't imagine it didn't get a little misty on the inside, hangin out in a wet phone that long
[04:34] <ornj> Jeffrey_f>>> Oh. :(
[04:34] <Jeffrey_f> LOL @ ornj
[04:35] <redninja> every phone i put it in doesnt recognize it.  and beldar im not stupid its being read just not on ubuntu if it was still wet inside the moment i put power to it would fry it.  and im not new to ubuntu i tried finding it via gparted and it still doesnt find it and  lsusb sees it its just not pulling up i was hoping you guys might know something of an issue and not use sarcasm for someone who has a question btw before you ask yes i tri
[04:36] <Beldar> redninja, wasn't directed at you in general.
[04:36] <ObrienDave> redninja, "and liek i said looks still brand new and it can be read on other phones" your words
[04:37] <Beldar> just that the statement means nothing
[04:37] <Jeffrey_f> redninja: If the sd card is waterlogged, you may end up wiping the card if you put power to it.  put it in some rice and let it dry out
[04:37] <redninja> no the card wasnt wet and the mud the phone was covered in was dried up and the sd card connectors we complety clean and free of debris and no problem beldar
[04:37] <Beldar> still means nothing it works or it does not.
[04:38] <blackyboy> how to do chroot in ubuntu
[04:38] <redninja> i was wondering if maybe there is an issue with ubuntu reading insignia multicard readers like it did with realtek a little while back
[04:39] <ObrienDave> redninja, that is possible
[04:39] <Beldar> mechanical matters are one of the few incidences when things are dichotomies
[04:40] <Blue1> blackyboy: this may/may not help:  http://pkill-9.com/recovering-ubuntudebian-linux-after-a-windows-installhiccup/  this does a chroot
[04:40] <blackyboy> Blue1: thanks for the link let me check
[04:40] <redninja> k well thanks for the help guys
[04:42] <Bashing-om> blackyboy: Booting bios or EFI ?? the method for CHange Root differs.
[04:43] <blackyboy> Bashing-om: nope just i want to know what is chroot
[04:44] <Bashing-om> blackyboy: : ) , synopsis -> do in terminal: man chroot .
[04:46] <Beldar> blackyboy, Probably easier to use. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BasicChroot
[04:48] <Beldar> blackyboy, Commonly we use a chroot to get to an install from a live dvd/usb to have a root terminal in that install.
[04:52] <blackyboy> Beldar: yes faced a issue before 2 weeks ago, there was a dual boot machine and accidentally i have deleted the 100MB Boot partition of windows 7, because of that after reformatting windows i can't log-in into Ubuntu, that time i struggled a lot, there are important files in Ubuntu,  finally backup-ed the whole system using a Ubuntu live cd and reformatted to get fix, in this kinda situation this will be helpful so what i want to know about it.
[04:57] <xubuntu893> W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80]  W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80]  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used
[04:57] <xubuntu893> Problem with that, please help me
[05:00] <xubuntu893> deb http://http.debian.net/debian wheezy main
[05:01] <zubir> bruh
[05:01] <OERIAS> xubuntu893, try #xubuntu
[05:01] <xubuntu893> no guy man stop
[05:01] <zubir> BRUH
[05:01] <xubuntu893> you guys are sending me from channel to channel
[05:02] <xubuntu893> Ya Zubir ?
[05:02] <zubir> wat u need help with lil xubu?
[05:02] <xubuntu893> People told me Trusty is not supported no more
[05:02] <xubuntu893> I have to change errything to Wheezy or Weezy ?
[05:02] <zubir> not really no
[05:02] <zubir> but look up
[05:02] <ObrienDave> no, they told you ETCH is not supported
[05:03] <xubuntu893> WHAT'S IS ETCH XD
[05:03] <zubir> look upapt-get dist-upgrade
[05:03] <zubir> you should be fine still using wheezy
[05:03] <xubuntu893> It starts
[05:04] <xubuntu893> I'm on trusty
[05:04] <zubir> trusty w/e
[05:04] <zubir> brb need to poop
[05:04] <xubuntu893> I'm dead xD
[05:04] <dsfsdfgfd> Hello, whats the difference between debian and ubuntu
[05:04] <zubir> dsfsdfgfd: mainly packages
[05:05] <dsfsdfgfd> what about the base and kernel
[05:05] <OERIAS> dsfsdfgfd, Debian is superior in terms of packaging and stability.
[05:05] <ObrienDave> xubuntu893, you need to get rid of the etch repos in your sources list
[05:05] <Mobutils> ubuntu is forked from debian, a lot of it is simmilar, like the package manager
[05:05] <dsfsdfgfd> so debian is more minimal, yes ?
[05:06] <OERIAS> dsfsdfgfd, plus you don't get a ton of shit like Ubuntu.
[05:06] <ObrienDave> OERIAS, don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you
[05:06] <dsfsdfgfd> LOL
[05:06] <Beldar> blackyboy1, Generally removing the boot in W7 is an easy fix, you need the recovery or install disc and a few commands on the terminal of recovery and a the C partition being live.
[05:06] <zubir> dsfsdfgf: debian is less "cutting edge" in the sense that the distro doesn't push the newest stuff unless it's been extensively bug tested
[05:06] <Beldar> boot partition*
[05:06] <Mobutils> go slackware if you want minimal…
[05:07] <zubir> hence why it's considered to be more stable
[05:07] <zubir> when you download debian 7, the kernel that comes with it is 3.2
[05:07] <zubir> when the newest kernel is like 3.15 now
[05:07] <Beldar> can we take the off topic to #ubuntu-offtopic
[05:08] <zubir> no
[05:08] <Beldar> and debian to #debian
[05:08] <Mobutils> lol
[05:09]  * Beldar waves his cane at the offtopic and says "get off my lawn"
[05:13] <xubuntu893> W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty/partner amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_dists_trusty_partner_binary-amd64_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty/partner amd64 Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/archive.canonical.com_dists_trusty_partner_binary-amd64_Packages) W: Duplicate sources.list entry http://archive.canonical.com/ trusty/partner i
[05:13] <xubuntu893> That's what happened at the end of  : apt-get dist-update
[05:14] <xubuntu893> And now I did apt-get update
[05:14] <xubuntu893> W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80]  W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.debian.org/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages  404  Not Found [IP: 130.89.148.12 80]  E: Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[05:14] <xubuntu893> same message again
[05:15] <LostNva> im no expert but it seems  you need to edit/fix sources list
[05:15] <xubuntu893>  /etc/apt/sources.list ??
[05:15] <Beldar> xubuntu893, Make a new sources list with this. http://repogen.simplylinux.ch/
[05:16] <LostNva> yes you have duplicates, and at least one removed you need
[05:16] <SamwiseGamgee> Does anyone here know how to use Redo Backup?  I'm using version 1.0.4
[05:16] <Bashing-om> xubuntu893: Check the "/etc/apt/sources.list" file and the "/etc/apt/sources.list.d" directory for the duplicated entry // remove the 'etch' entry.
[05:17] <ssarah> so i got this bash script. it just has a bunch sudo commands in it. But i want it to work not only through command line, but also double click
[05:17] <ssarah> how i do it?
[05:18] <xubuntu893> deb http://ftp.debian.org etch main I remove this one ?
[05:18] <SamwiseGamgee> It's called Redo Backup and Recovery is an application from SourceForge used to backup partitions and to recover data.  It uses a Linux based OS and comes on a live CD.  So, has anyone here ever used this program?
[05:19] <Beldar> SamwiseGamgee, Might be easier ways, what is the end goal, just backups, a clone?
[05:19] <SamwiseGamgee> I am trying to recover data from a compact flash card
[05:20] <SamwiseGamgee> It seems to be working, but my only problem is the destination partitions don't make any sense
[05:20] <hyde> ookay, this is strange. Just upgraded 12.04-14.04, and keyboard doesn't work in Chromium (using web irc client, had to switch to Firefox to be able to write here...). Everything else I've tried seems to work, but not Chromium.
[05:20] <s2013> im using this tool that prints out to console how would i make it so it prints out to a file?
[05:20] <s2013> do i need to use cat?
[05:20] <SamwiseGamgee> they have weird names and numbers that don't make any sense to me
[05:20] <SamwiseGamgee> I am trying to save the recovered files to a location on one of my hard drives, but the names of the parttions are fracked up
[05:21] <s2013> or is it echo
[05:22] <SamwiseGamgee> there appear to be three directories: one is called  "drwx- - - - - - - 0   0   280 31 July 2014"
[05:22] <Bashing-om> xubuntu893: Yes remove " deb http://ftp.debian.org etch main" as it is no longer supported.
[05:22] <hyde> somecommand > standardoutput.txt
[05:22] <hyde> s2013: ^
[05:22] <s2013> let me try
[05:23] <SamwiseGamgee> the other is called drwxr-xr-x   0 0  0   220   31 July etc
[05:23] <s2013> thank you so much
[05:23] <s2013> i think its working
[05:23] <SamwiseGamgee> the third directory is called -rw-r - - r - -      0     0     40960  31 July 2014
[05:23] <s2013> anyone has tips on how to edit a 20 gig file?
[05:23] <s2013> i just really need to remove something from the first line and something from the last line
[05:23] <hyde> s2013:  note: if you need to redirect standard error, then it's a bit different. But most programs print actual error messages to standard error, and you want to see those yourself.
[05:24] <SamwiseGamgee> Redo Backup uses the LXTerminal
[05:24] <s2013> hyde, im changing how a json file looks
[05:24] <hyde> (just saying this, in case you see output even when you redirect with > and wonder what that is)
[05:25] <SamwiseGamgee> It is forcing me to choose one of the three directories, since I have three hard drives, does that mean that each of those directories represents a hard drive?
[05:26] <ObrienDave> all i'm seeing are permission flags and dates, not sure about the rest
[05:26] <SamwiseGamgee> Oh, I only have two hard drives, but there are those three directories I listed above
[05:26] <hyde> s2013: mmm... some sed or awk one-lines ought to be able to do that. though you need to rewrite the entire file, if you remove from beginning... If it's enough if you just (for example) replace first line with spaces, then you could use a hex editor and edit file in-place
[05:27] <s2013> k let me try one thing at a time .thaks
[05:27] <SamwiseGamgee> How can I make sense of these bizarre directory names on the LXTerminal of Redo Backup?
[05:31] <SamwiseGamgee> Does anyone here know how to use Redo Backup and Recovery?
[05:32] <hyde> SamwiseGamgee: you could try `stat` command
[05:32] <SamwiseGamgee> where do I enter the stat command?
[05:33] <hyde> it's a command line command
[05:33] <SamwiseGamgee> it did not work
[05:33] <SamwiseGamgee> what's the command for listing all the drives and directories?
[05:34] <hyde> mount lists all mounted file systems
[05:34] <SamwiseGamgee> Give me a safer command
[05:34] <kostkon> SamwiseGamgee, it is safe
[05:34] <hyde> ?
[05:34] <hyde> just don't run it as root
[05:35] <SamwiseGamgee> If I mount, do I have to unmount when I'm done?
[05:35] <LostNva> mount lists, does that list all mounted?
[05:35] <hyde> (and iven as root, there's nothing unsafe with mount, really, that was more of a general advice)
[05:35] <Loshki> fdisk -l
[05:36] <hyde> or `cat /proc/mounts` gives about same info as `mount`
[05:36] <hyde> unless you have a rootkit or something, which hides mounts, then that should list all mounted filesystems, AFAIK ;)
[05:36] <SamwiseGamgee> ok, i'll try 'mount'
[05:37] <eeee> SamwiseGamgee: if you only want the disks/partitions, use lsblk
[05:37] <SamwiseGamgee> yeah, that sounds better
[05:37] <hyde> SamwiseGamgee: what exactly is the problem you are trying solve? restore backup? copy backups to somewhere else? what?
[05:38] <SamwiseGamgee> I am trying to restore pic files from a compact flash on a PC running Windows XP
[05:39] <SamwiseGamgee> the destination directories have bizarre names that make no sense
[05:39] <SamwiseGamgee> so I don't know where to put the recoverred files
[05:40] <hyde> ah, so you have the files on normal Linux (home directory or whatever), and want to copy them to the CF? or the other way? or what?
[05:41] <hyde> anyway, lsblk should show if Linux sees the CF, and also apparently show if it is mounted.
[05:41] <FredddyTom> i know the anwser is probably no
[05:41] <FredddyTom> but is there anyway in nautilus to sort 1.1  1.2 1.3 1.5.10 etc ?
[05:41] <SamwiseGamgee> the files are JPEG pic files on a compact flash from my digital camera, and I am trying to recover them and put them on a PC running Windows XP
[05:41] <SamwiseGamgee> Redo Backup uses Linux
[05:42] <SamwiseGamgee> I found the partitions where I can put them, but the names do not match the 3 directories they are forcing me to choose from
[05:45] <ObrienDave> those "names" look more like a corrupted directory table to me
[05:47] <SamwiseGamgee> there appear to be three directories: one is called  "drwx- - - - - - - 0   0   280 31 July 2014"
[05:47] <LostNva> SamwiseGamgee: what caused you to get to that point
[05:48] <hyde> SamwiseGamgee: that paste doe snot list the directory name...
[05:48] <SamwiseGamgee> the second is called drwxr-xr-x   0 0  0   220   31 July etc
[05:48] <hyde> as far as I can see
[05:48] <ObrienDave> the "drwx- - - - " are permission flags
[05:48] <SamwiseGamgee> the third directory is called -rw-r - - r - -      0     0     40960  31 July 2014
[05:48] <SamwiseGamgee> the destination partition I want to use as a destination is sdb (1.4 TB)
[05:48] <hyde> try just `ls` without -l, what does it list
[05:49] <SamwiseGamgee> It has several subdirectories:  sdb1 30G, sdb2, 1K, sdb5 100 G, sdb6 200 G.....sdb9 400 G
[05:49] <ObrienDave> SamwiseGamgee, those are not directory names
[05:49] <ObrienDave> those are partition names, not directories
[05:49] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, that is exactly the problem
[05:49] <SamwiseGamgee> the names do not match
[05:50] <ObrienDave> they are NOT the same thing
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> therefore, there is nowhere to put the files, at least no known partitions
[05:50] <SamwiseGamgee> yes, that is my problem
[05:51] <hyde>  find . -maxdepth 1 -print0 | xargs -0 stat
[05:51] <SamwiseGamgee> they are not the same thing: I need to find out where the directories are located, in which partitions, so I know where the files are going
[05:51] <hyde> SamwiseGamgee: ^ you might try that, and put output to pastebin, then maybe someone can make sense of your situation.
[05:51] <hyde> but now I'm off, good luck!
[05:52] <hyde> (and as general advice, do `man find`, `man xargs`, `man stat` before running random command from irc channel :)
[05:52] <SamwiseGamgee> Even if I found out where to put those files, how would I access them using Windows XP?
[05:53] <SamwiseGamgee> Would I have to show invisible files, or use the command prompt?
[05:53] <brucelee> can anyone tell me about ubuntu packages, where apt-get update works on one server, but doesnt on another. They're both apt-get updating from a apt cache server
[05:53] <brucelee> for some reason it gives me a 502, resource temporarily unavailable
[05:54] <hyde> why do you need to put files to some specific directories anyway? just copy them to anything like a memory card or USB stick, then insert the stick to the XP machine, and copy them off?
[05:54] <hyde> SamwiseGamgee: ^
[05:55] <SamwiseGamgee> the files are damaged
[05:55] <SamwiseGamgee> Only Redo backup has any chance of recovering them
[05:55] <SamwiseGamgee> they cannot be recovered using Windows XP
[05:56] <LostNva> what type of files are they
[05:56] <ObrienDave> i'm guessing the real issue is no one here understands the recovery program you're trying to use
[05:56] <SamwiseGamgee> oh, well, even if I put a usb stick into the PC, it will have another bizarre directory name or probably won't even show up, I wouldn't know where to find it
[05:57] <SamwiseGamgee> hyde, there appear to be three directories: one is called  "drwx- - - - - - - 0   0   280 31 July 2014"
[05:58] <SamwiseGamgee> the second is called drwxr-xr-x   0 0  0   220   31 July etc
[05:58] <SamwiseGamgee> the third directory is called -rw-r - - r - -      0     0     40960  31 July 2014
[05:58] <SamwiseGamgee> the destination partition I want to use as a destination is sdb (1.4 TB)
[05:58] <SamwiseGamgee> It has several subdirectories:  sdb1 30G, sdb2, 1K, sdb5 100 G, sdb6 200 G.....sdb9 400 G
[05:59] <SamwiseGamgee> I said this before
[05:59] <SamwiseGamgee> so I know where the files are, and I know where I want to put them
[06:00] <SamwiseGamgee> but the problem is Redo Backup is using bizarre names for the directories that provide no useful information
[06:00] <SamwiseGamgee> I showed you the names of the directories, can you make any sense out of those names?
[06:00] <SamwiseGamgee> hyde
[06:02] <SamwiseGamgee> ObrienDave, is there another channel where the people in it know how to use Redo Backup?
[06:02] <ObrienDave> i couldn't tell you. never heard of it before now
[06:02] <djpo> hi guys can someone help my i try to hack some wireless connection but i keep getting this  errors
[06:02] <SamwiseGamgee> I'll try hardware
[06:02] <djpo> WARNING: Failed to associate with
[06:03] <djpo> i'm new with ubuntu :)
[06:04] <LostNva> djpo: failed to associate with what
[06:05] <LostNva> what are you doing when you get that
[06:06] <LostNva> oh hehe hacker
[06:07] <djpo> reaver -i mon0 -b C4:04:15:25:73:32
[06:07] <djpo> i'm doing this lostnva
[06:08] <LostNva> reaver -i mon0 -c (channel) -T 1 -N -d 2 -vv
[06:09] <LostNva> reaver -i mon0 -c (channel) -b (bssid) -T 1 -N -d 2 -vv    , i meant
[06:09] <djpo> what do u mean with chnnel?
[06:09] <djpo> channel
[06:09] <Blue1> Beldar: this is precisely the issue:  http://askubuntu.com/questions/142655/ubuntu-12-04-adobe-flash-player-crashes-cant-watch-youtube  unfortunately installing gnash (which is 10.1 flash) didn't quite solve the problem....
[06:10] <LostNva> lock on the chanell or it will roam, -c 6 example
[06:12] <eristiker> ?quit
[06:13] <brucelee> anyone know what the propable reasons are that my apt-get update fails every single time at this one place, with 502 Resource temporarily unavailable. and its always the trusty/main amd64 packages
[06:13] <brucelee> error message says failed to fetch
[06:14] <brucelee> "Some index files failed to download. They have been ignored or old ones used instead."
[06:14] <ObrienDave> brucelee, communications error. Ubuntu repo? PPA?
[06:15] <brucelee> PPA
[06:15] <brucelee> the error message says its trying to download from the PPA
[06:15] <ObrienDave> which PPA
[06:16] <brucelee> ppa.launchpad.net/sauce/ppa/ubuntu/dists/trusty/main/binary-amd64/Packages
[06:16] <ObrienDave> PPAs come and go all the time. you sure it's still valid?
[06:16] <brucelee> yeah
[06:16] <brucelee> it works on other systems
[06:16] <brucelee> im not sure what part of the system is causing a weird state
[06:16] <brucelee> or if its not, how does apt-get update determine what its trying to download?
[06:17] <brucelee> it says in sources.list right?
[06:18] <diegoaguilar> Hello isla there any reason not todo keep with an updated 12.04.4 version instead of upgrading to 14.04?
[06:18] <ObrienDave> brucelee, pretty sure.
[06:18] <xangua> diegoaguilar: do you have a reason?
[06:19] <diegoaguilar> I rather keep with 12.04
[06:19] <brucelee> think i found the issue
[06:19] <diegoaguilar> As 14 has lotes of minors bugs which I hate
[06:19] <brucelee> yeah
[06:19] <brucelee> wrong ppa
[06:19] <ObrienDave> ok, cool
[06:20] <ssarah> Should i ask again XD
[06:20] <ssarah> ?
[06:20] <ObrienDave> diegoaguilar, 12.04 is supported for another year at least
[06:20] <eskp> hey guys getting "E: Release signed by unknown key (key id 40976EAF437D05B5)" when invoking pbuilder on debian
[06:20] <eskp> any clues?
[06:21] <DrunkWithPower> For Ubuntu's Unity dash - is the Amazon search "feature" now turned off by default for current Ubuntu distributions?
[06:21] <diegoaguilar> ObrienDave ir will be more tan thay
[06:21] <diegoaguilar> That
[06:21] <LostNva> Does Linux have a restore Repositories to default button, if not it would really help a lot of people.
[06:21] <ObrienDave> eskp, ask in #debian
[06:21] <TJ-> eskp: you've not imported the key into your key-ring?
[06:22] <TJ-> eskp: that's the ftpmaster@ubuntu.com key
[06:22] <arkas> camtasia for linux ?
[06:22] <DrunkWithPower> ?
[06:22] <ObrienDave> ssarah, yes, please ask again
[06:22] <Akiva-Thinkpad> I am looking for two way sync frameworks available on ubuntu; ANY. Any suggestions?
[06:22] <ssarah> so i got this bash script. it just has a bunch sudo commands in it. But i want it to work not only through command line, but also double click
[06:22] <diegoaguilar> Since 12.04 its 5 years  ObrienDave
[06:23] <arkas> is there some program how camtasia from ubuntu?
[06:23] <ObrienDave> diegoaguilar, thanks, was not sure
[06:24] <DrunkWithPower> I am not sure if the Ubuntu's help chat is practicing censorship, if no one knows the answer, or they do know but don't want new users to be thinking about Ubuntu's privacy issues?
[06:25] <eskp> TJ-: just ran gpg to receive keys, then exported and imported with apt
[06:25] <eskp> TJ-: same error
[06:25] <ObrienDave> DrunkWithPower, or maybe they don't understand your question
[06:25] <DrunkWithPower> Ok I will rephrase it
[06:26] <DrunkWithPower> Better yet, I will paste from wikipedia
[06:26] <eskp> ObrienDave: i tried, got no response
[06:26] <TJ-> eskp: Isn't it the keyring *inside* the pbuilder that needs the key?
[06:26] <DrunkWithPower> Wikipedia - Amazon controversy
[06:26] <DrunkWithPower> Amazon search results displayed in the Unity dash feature was introduced with Ubuntu version 12.10. It was alternately described as the "Amazon controversy",[129][130] "privacy fiasco"[131] and "spyware".[132] It was awarded the 2013 Big Brother Award.[133]
[06:27] <DrunkWithPower> Usually even Windows user do care somewhat about privacy
[06:28] <DrunkWithPower> If the Amazon search is turned off by default, then I don't see to much of an issue.  I thought they were going to do that?
[06:28] <ObrienDave> DrunkWithPower, i have no clue about that
[06:28] <TJ-> DrunkWithPower: It looked to me to be the result of 2 main issues: 1) Canonical needed new ways to monetise Ubuntu through search referrals and 2) too many folks with their head in the 'cloud', so to speak
[06:29] <TJ-> DrunkWithPower: personally I never liked any of those background search/dash typed input tools, certainly with the Unity being influenced by touch screens it seemed ironic to me that it required such extensive typed input
[06:30] <DrunkWithPower> Ok.  Well people discovered it awhile back now.  In order for a person's privacy to be violated, do they need to be aware that their privacy is being violated?  Kind of a chicken and the egg question
[06:30] <DrunkWithPower> In other words, if a person has their head in the "cloud", then is it ok to violate their privacy since they are not aware there is a problem?
[06:31] <ObrienDave> or, if you're not doing anything you need to worry about, then there's no problem in the first place
[06:31] <TJ-> DrunkWithPower: The Ethos with such things in the F/OSS community has generally been clearly opt-in, which is why I think the default enablement jarred
[06:31] <TJ-> ObrienDave: I disagree. I might be typing something to find a sensitive document and I don't want that 'leaking' off my PC to search/referral companies
[06:31] <DrunkWithPower> Ok.  So if you are innocent, and you talk to your lawyer, then you do not have the need for private communications between you and your lawyer?
[06:32] <DrunkWithPower> Remember it is proposed that if you are not doing anything bad, you have nothing to worry about.  So you should not need to have confidential communications with your lawyer, doctor, teacher, friends, anyone
[06:32] <DrunkWithPower> Right?
[06:32] <Flannel> DrunkWithPower: This has clearly strayed away from technical support, can you please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic?  Thanks.
[06:33]  * ObrienDave refuses to have a battle of wits with an un-armed person
[06:33] <DrunkWithPower> I think it is a technical issue btw
[06:34] <ObrienDave> but it is NOT a support issue
[06:34] <DrunkWithPower> The tech support question is - does Ubuntu have the amazon search feature enabled by default?  I need that info for technical reasons
[06:34] <kostkon> DrunkWithPower, it isn't. Better place for it is in #ubuntu-offtopic
[06:34] <DrunkWithPower> Yes it is
[06:34] <Flannel> DrunkWithPower: Whether it's enabled is technical, whether it's bad or irresponsible is not technical.  So if you can bisect you're conversation, it'd be appreciated, thanks.
[06:35] <Flannel> well, wrong your there, but you get the picture.
[06:35] <ObrienDave> no, the support question would be "how can i disable it"
[06:35] <Akiva-Thinkpad> What is a diff?
[06:35] <DrunkWithPower> Tech support deals with many things, some of which include how to utilize features of the software
[06:35] <ObrienDave> Akiva-Thinkpad, a diff the difference between two files
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> ObrienDave, thanks. These are used for merging, correct?
[06:36] <DrunkWithPower> Ok.  I have just installed Ubuntu and have made no changes.  I want my privacy violated by Ubunto and Amazon.  How can I turn on the Amazon search feature? Or do I need to, perhaps it is enabled by default?
[06:36] <ObrienDave> yes
[06:36] <Akiva-Thinkpad> !cookie
[06:37] <djpo> .com/wiki/Your_health_currently_feels_amplified
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[06:37] <djpo> [!] WARNING: Failed to associate with C4:04:15:25:73:32 (ESSID: pini)
 [!] WARNING: Failed to associate with C4:04:15:25:73:32 (ESSID: pini)
 [+] Sending EAPOL START request
 [+] Sending WSC NACK
 [!] WPS transaction failed (code: 0x04), re-trying last pin
 still getting errors
[06:37] <unopaste> djpo you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[06:40] <ObrienDave> DrunkWithPower, since you so eloquently asked, http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2337185/ubuntu-to-ditch-amazon-product-suggestions-from-its-search-results
[06:40] <magic> Is it possible to update an Ubuntu system running 12.04 to 14.04 without reinstalling?
[06:40] <DrunkWithPower> ObrienDave: but they have not ditched it
[06:40] <DrunkWithPower> This was discovered quiet some time ago
[06:41] <zubir> lil b
[06:41] <ObrienDave> magic, yes, there is
[06:41] <magic> ObrienDave: How?
[06:41] <Flannel> DrunkWithPower, ObrienDave: If you actually read the post, it's still enabled, and will be disabled by default (well, more like "handled completely differently") in a future version, but not the LTS.
[06:41] <zubir> apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:41] <magic> zubir: Is that different from the GUI?
[06:42] <magic> The GUI tells me I'm upgrading to an unsupported version
[06:44] <helmut_> hi
[06:44] <ObrienDave> Flannel, i read that as being the amazon search is not implemented in 14.04
[06:44] <Flannel> ObrienDave: The next version (with the change) will not be implemented in 14.04
[06:45] <DrunkWithPower> Flannel: Yeah, "handled completely differently" translates to "we will continue to spy on the users but make it more obscure and difficult to detect and disable"
[06:45] <djpo> hi
[06:45] <ObrienDave> ok, well back to support for me
[06:45] <Flannel> DrunkWithPower: No, that's not realistically true.  Also, off topic.
[06:46] <djpo> djpo> [!] WPS transaction failed (code: 0x04), re-trying last pin
[06:46] <djpo> anyone know what i getthing this error?
[06:46] <ObrienDave> wrong WPS code
[06:47] <DrunkWithPower> Ok well you people make me sick.  Have a nice night.
[06:47] <ObrienDave> yes, thanks you too
[06:48] <magic> How do I upgrade from 12.04 to 14.04? The Ubuntu updater keeps telling me there's no updates left
[06:48] <magic> Along with dist-upgrade
[06:48] <magic> The setting for when to dist upgrade is set to 'LTS only'
[06:48] <ObrienDave> magic, try do-release-upgrade
[06:49] <magic> ObrienDave: "No new release found"
[06:49] <ObrienDave> magic, also, not everyone is getting the update notices at the same time
[06:50] <Beldar> some repos do not update that often as well
[06:50] <magic> Oh I found the issue
[06:50] <ObrienDave> and???
[06:50] <magic> So apparently Canocial isn't notifying LTS users yet
[06:50] <magic> And I have to stick a -d on the end of my update-manager
[06:51] <Beldar> I though it was the 31st officially
[06:51] <ObrienDave> oh yes, that's right. sorry
[06:51] <magic> Well technically it's currently the 31st but I don't think that's very fair to Canocial
[06:51] <ObrienDave> magic, what was the proper command?
[06:52] <magic> ObrienDave: I did sudo update-manager -d and used the GUI, TBH.
[06:52] <ObrienDave> ok, thanks
[06:52] <magic> This machine isn't running server Ubuntu it just has to be really stable.
[06:53] <ObrienDave> i appreciate stability also
[06:53] <Beldar> it's overrated
[06:54] <ObrienDave> LOL so is breathing ;P
[06:54] <magic> The Higher Ups demand it
[06:55] <magic> I am but a vessel :p
[06:57] <nicxz> So I'm using the intel graphics installer (https://01.org/linuxgraphics) on Tardy, and am seeing a big difference in video framerate, while using mplayer-vaapi. 12% cpu usage in windows, 45% cpu usage in ubuntu. Same hardware, same video (1080p big buck bunny).
[06:58] <edition> xubuntu is better with hardware.
[06:58] <nicxz> can someone please point me in the right direction for debugging this?
[06:58] <nicxz> I'm assuming at this point I'm not using the correct driver
[06:59] <nicxz> but it all seems to be in order
[06:59] <Mr-Shuttleworth> tardy?
[06:59] <Mr-Shuttleworth> hardy?
[06:59] <Mr-Shuttleworth> !hardy
[06:59] <nicxz> sorry, I meant trusty
[06:59] <Mr-Shuttleworth> lol
[07:00] <nicxz> those got mixed up in my head :)
[07:00] <ObrienDave> nicxz, does it work?
[07:00] <Mr-Shuttleworth> I remember hardy; great background
[07:00] <nicxz> video plays, output says it uses vaapi
[07:00] <nicxz> but still big cpu usage
[07:00] <ObrienDave> so? does it work?
[07:01] <nicxz> well the video plays, yes. but I want to know why the big difference in cpu usage, and if I'm using gpu at all.
[07:02] <sgo11> hi, I am trying to enable an external VGA display and rotate 90 degree. I tried this command "xrandr --output LVDS1 --mode 1366x768 --pos 0x1080 --rotate normal --output VGA1 --mode 1920x1080 --pos 0x0 --rotate left". It has a problem. my LVDS1 is not in the right of my VGA1. they overlap each other. why?
[07:02] <yz3pD> sgo11, use arandr in place of xrandr
[07:08] <sgo11> yz3pD, arandr works very well. thanks a lot.
[07:08] <ObrienDave> Flannel, you were right. (hates when that happens) http://www.linux.com/news/software/applications/768624-ubuntu-to-make-amazon-product-results-opt-in-omgubuntu/
[07:10] <devastator3> ciao
[07:10] <devastator3> #!list
[07:11] <devastator3> !list
[07:11] <ObrienDave> oh lordy
[07:11] <yz3p> !minecraft | test
[07:12] <devastator3> !word war z
[07:12] <ObrienDave> !it | devastator3
[07:12] <Beldar> minecraft is 3rd party
[07:13] <ObrienDave> and third party PPAs not supported here ;P
[07:13] <nicxz> Ok, I wasn't measuring correctly. apparently 'top' isn't very good for checking multicore cpu load.
[07:14] <ObrienDave> htop might be better, not sure
[07:14] <nicxz> seems like the linux graphics driver are being used, and are doing a decent job
[07:14] <Beldar> nicxz, Might try a conky for realtime
[07:14] <nicxz> will look into htop, conky. thanks
[07:15] <bekks> nicxz: top works fine on multiple cpu systems. It is able to display the load of each core, even.
[07:15] <ObrienDave> nicxz, i go through the same linux driver site. no issues so far
[07:17] <simonjr45> anyone can help me on ubuntu usage?
[07:17] <ObrienDave> fire away simonjr45
[07:17] <simonjr45> can virus attack ubuntu linux?
[07:18] <simonjr45> I am a new user for ubuntu linux
[07:18] <simonjr45> been using windows platform for ages
[07:18] <Beldar> !av | simonjr45
[07:19] <yz3pD> simion314, don't need an av-scanner but there are some aviable like clamtk
[07:19] <nicxz> bekks: well it's probably that i'm used to looking at the wrong number.
[07:19] <simonjr45> cool thank u
[07:19] <Beldar> simonjr45, rootkits are the basic worry if any at all, a good password and safe use will protect you.
[07:19] <simonjr45> ubuntu is a good operating system I am totally impressed with it
[07:20] <simonjr45> should have used it a few years back but linux is not popular in malaysia
[07:20] <ObrienDave> we like it :)
[07:20] <simonjr45> I think it is catching up now with ubuntu linux 14.04
[07:20] <yz3pD> Beldar, chkrootkit is also an application against rootkits
[07:21] <simonjr45> I am using it on 2 desktops and my netbook
[07:21] <user123321> http://laurentbel.com/2012/04/04/simple-failover-cluster-on-ubuntu-using-carp/ <---- I followed the steps but I don't get the results in ifconfig.
[07:21] <simonjr45> all the drivers are so easy to install
[07:21] <Beldar> yz3pD, Not really a protection only looks for file differentials you have to know what you doing.
[07:21] <yz3pD> Beldar, but it can help you to find rootkits, right?
[07:22] <simonjr45> I can't believe my eyes ..... if I knew this wouldn't have spend that much money buying windows sofware......sigh
[07:22] <user123321> In interfaces, I had only "# interfaces(5) file used by ifup(8) and ifdown(8)auto lo iface lo inet loopback", and I added the rest of the entries as mentioned there.
[07:22] <Beldar> yz3pD, If you know what your doing possibly so can rkhunter
[07:23] <yz3pD> simion314, and there are mmore linux desktops not only unity, also kde xfce lxde ...
[07:23] <simonjr45> people can I ask where can I get good themes for ubuntu 14.04 using unity tweak tool
[07:24] <ObrienDave> http://www.ubuntuthemes.org/
[07:24] <simonjr45> it really is worth donating to ubuntu org supporting their work
[07:24] <Beldar> simonjr45, Your in fanboi mode.....it will wear off.
[07:24] <simonjr45> thanx people
[07:25] <simonjr45> what is fanboi mode
[07:25] <yz3pD> Beldar, chkrootkit is easier to understand than rkhunter, right? ... so i will stay using chkrootkit
[07:25] <Beldar> simonjr45, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fanboi
[07:26] <pavelic> Good morning folks, got a question here. How can i preseed an edit to the sudoers file? I need to make sure that the sudo group has NOPASSWD: on it.
[07:26] <ObrienDave> new user, still excited about a new system, fanboi
[07:26] <linuxuz3r> hi
[07:26] <linuxuz3r> is gnome store and ubuntu store the same?
[07:26] <Beldar> yz3pD, If you have to separate the two on a differential of understanding, you don;t understand how to use them.
[07:26] <linuxuz3r> anyone
[07:27] <simonjr45> beldar what is the url for? is it a software I have to install?
[07:27] <user123321> I'm trying this one now ---> http://rbgeek.wordpress.com/2012/09/02/simple-failover-cluster-using-ucarp-on-ubuntu/
[07:27] <Beldar> simonjr45,  definition of your question.
[07:27] <ObrienDave> simonjr45, no it's for the definition of fanboi
[07:27] <simonjr45> thanx obrienDave for the url
[07:27] <ObrienDave> np
[07:28] <simonjr45> how come when I click on the url the browser doesn't open ?
[07:29] <ObrienDave> right click, copy URL, paste in browser
[07:29] <pavelic> because xchat hates you.
[07:29] <simonjr45> oic thanx
[07:29] <Beldar> simonjr45, right click-open link in browser
[07:30] <Beldar> pavelic, The greek chorus is on another channel
[07:30] <linuxuz3r> is gnome store and ubuntu store the same?
[07:31] <simonjr45> ok thanx again really helpful
[07:31] <ObrienDave> linuxuz3r, not sure, don't think so
[07:31] <pavelic> Beldar, har. Any idea about my issue?
[07:31] <ObrienDave> simonjr45, welcome to Ubuntu :)
[07:31] <linuxuz3r> ObrienDave, which one is bigger ubuntu store or gnome store
[07:31] <ObrienDave> don't know
[07:34] <simonjr45> thanx obreindave....r u a developer for linux platform?
[07:34] <ObrienDave> no, just a long time techno nerd
[07:34] <simonjr45> does most of the nvidia graphic cards work on ubuntu linux
[07:34] <simonjr45> I need to download the driver though
[07:35] <simonjr45> OIC
[07:36] <simonjr45> i saw the youtube video where the linux founder used a four-letter word to accuse nVidia for not supporting linux O/S
[07:36] <Beldar> old news and not exactly the linux founder
[07:37] <k1l> simonjr45: dont get caught by the media show
[07:37] <simonjr45> oh my who is the actual founder than?
[07:37] <ObrienDave> Linus Torvalds
[07:38] <simonjr45> isn't he the one who used four-letter word in the forum?
[07:38] <ObrienDave> don't know
[07:38] <simonjr45> yes he did
[07:38] <Beldar> simonjr45, Bro this is support not chat.
[07:38] <simonjr45> ok sorry
[07:38] <k1l> simonjr45: yes he is. but do you have a actual technical ubuntu support issue? we got #ubuntu-offtopic for chatter
[07:39] <simonjr45> can go there the next time around
[07:39] <simonjr45> I notice the XChat software has not been updated since 2010
[07:39] <pavelic> simonjr45, get hexchat.
[07:39] <simonjr45> the developer seem to have abandon the work
[07:40] <simonjr45> hexchat
[07:40] <simonjr45> where do I get that?
[07:40] <angs> I have Ubuntu 14.04 on my laptop (x64). It has a Swedish keyboard and the keyboard setting is defined as Swedish. However, it sometimes turns to English keyboard. Has anyone experienced such problem before?
[07:40] <pavelic> simonjr45, if its not available in the ubuntu repo's, https://launchpad.net/~gwendal-lebihan-dev/+archive/ubuntu/hexchat-stable
[07:41] <k1l> !find hexchat | pavelic simonjr45
[07:42] <pavelic> k1l, that works too :D
[07:42] <k1l> pavelic: it is in the repos. no need for PPA
[07:42] <pavelic> k1l, what did i say up there?
[07:42] <star_prone> hi
[07:42] <pavelic> "if its not available in ubuntu repos"
[07:43] <star_prone> how can I create an unity launcher in ubuntu 14.04?
[07:43] <pavelic> i think its not available in 12.04
[07:43] <AAmit> error: ERROR: cannot register object path "/org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio1": A handler is already registered for /org/freedesktop/ReserveDevice1/Audio1
[07:43] <AAmit> can anybody help???????????
[07:45] <ObrienDave> simonjr45, for general chat type /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:46] <simonjr45> which is better hexchat or xChat?
[07:46] <angs> xchat
[07:46] <sgo11> hexchat
[07:47] <simonjr45> will I have problem if I continue to use xChat since it is not updated by the developer?
[07:48] <angs> I have never had any problem on xchat but there is a dedicated room for it #xchat
[07:48] <simonjr45> thanx angs
[07:48] <angs> you can get better reply there
[07:49] <giorgiodinapoli> good morning guys! we want to add this to our sources list https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nagiosgrapher/1.7.1-4.1 <--- but where can we fint the ppa that we need to add?
[07:49] <Night-hacks> I want to remove OS X completely from my Mac and install Ubuntu.
[07:50] <Night-hacks> does anybody knows how can i get installable backup from OSX so i can install it on Virtual Box inside my Ubuntu ?
[07:50] <simonjr45> bye everday for the valuable answer and sorry for asking questions other than ubuntu support......
[07:50] <simonjr45> bye bye
[07:50] <simonjr45> thank you
[07:50] <pavelic> Night-hacks, i'm pretty sure thats a very problematic configuration.
[07:51] <Night-hacks> pavelic:  what's the problem ?
[07:52] <ObrienDave> giorgiodinapoli, there does not seem to be a PPA available
[07:52] <pavelic> Night-hacks, i'm reasonably certain that that will not work at all. AFAIK getting OSX to work inside virtualization solution when the host os is not OSX is iffy. IIRC Parallels were the only ones providing that.
[07:54] <pavelic> Night-hacks, i could be talking stupid here, but i recommend googling around for the particular configuration you want to do ( ubuntu host -> OSX guest )
[07:55] <Beldar> Night-hacks, The virtual runs in a OS.
[07:55] <Beldar> Ah apple in a virtual
[07:55] <Night-hacks> Beldar:  isn't that possible ?
[07:56] <giorgiodinapoli> ObrienDave, thats sad :( in 12.04 it was included by default
[07:56] <Beldar> Night-hacks, I doubt it's approved by apple.
[07:56] <ObrienDave> !info nagiosgrapher
[07:57] <Night-hacks> Beldar: being feasible is important, not their approval :)
[07:57] <Beldar> Night-hacks, two things not supported here, and we don't support illegal installs
[07:58] <Night-hacks> Beldar: it's my own mac and the OS X that i've paid for ! what's illegal about that !?
[07:58] <Beldar> sigh
[07:59] <ObrienDave> your team ;P
[07:59] <pavelic> Night-hacks, Apple did not provide you with a licence for a VM install.
[07:59] <willwork4foo> License terms.
[07:59]  * Beldar writes a new drama as the ignore fills
[07:59] <willwork4foo> LOL
[07:59] <ObrienDave> lol
[08:00] <pds|2> if anybody is intrested in an introduction course in linux : [09:59:21] <pds|2> als er iemand geintreseerd is in linux introductie cursus wel engelstalig : https://www.edx.org/course/linuxfoundationx/linuxfoundationx-lfs
[08:00] <Night-hacks> Another reason for hating OS X   :)
[08:00] <willwork4foo> pds|2: Is that the free one? I saw that.
[08:00] <pds|2> willwork4foo: yup free and certified
[08:00] <willwork4foo> That's really good for an intro course.
[08:00]  * willwork4foo is already OCP
[08:00] <ObrienDave> Night-hacks, ANY paid OS will not allow you to do that
[08:00] <willwork4foo> No, not Robocop
[08:01] <willwork4foo> ObrienDave: Solaris allows you to install into a VirtualBox VM - I guess that's not a "paid-for" OS, it's just the support you pay for
[08:01] <pavelic> willwork4foo, wasnt it sorta iffy with windozers for a while until microsoft definitely said "you gotta pay for more licences"?
[08:01] <willwork4foo> pavelic: yeah I think so
[08:01] <willwork4foo> I don't know much about windoze.
[08:02] <pavelic> i wish i could use linux on my work laptop -.-
[08:02] <willwork4foo> I use Kubuntu on mine.
[08:02] <willwork4foo> (Lenovo T420)
[08:03] <Beldar> scene one
[08:03] <pavelic> heh. i'm sitting on a Sony VPCZ1. stupid nvidia optimus.
[08:03] <brucelee> where is the ubuntu package index stored?
[08:03] <giorgiodinapoli> ObrienDave, what can be the reason that it doesnt exist?
[08:04] <pavelic> (in short, no amount of fiddling allowed me to use dual-screen with the hdmi out on that one, only vga and full hd screen + vga = painful flickering)
[08:04] <brucelee> is it possible to wipe the ubuntu package index, and have it re-download it? I'm trying to 'reset' it
[08:04] <pavelic> brucelee, what did you do?
[08:04] <Kartagis> hi
[08:05] <Kartagis> I have a USB modem and sometimes I connect through that
[08:05] <brucelee> pavelic: when i do apt-get update, it gets to a point and this one part gets a 502
[08:05] <brucelee> i say 'part'
[08:05] <brucelee> because im not sure what apt-get update is doing
[08:05] <Kartagis> USB 3g*
[08:05] <brucelee> im not sure if its downloading a bunch of files or what
[08:05] <brucelee> if so, then it fails at downloading 1 file
[08:05] <pavelic> check /etc/apt/sources.d i think
[08:06] <pavelic> one of the folder in /etc/apt has all the repos you are pulling from and temporarily comment out the on thats 502-ing out?
[08:06] <Beldar> brucelee, Pastebin a apt-get
[08:06] <Kartagis> I choose network settings > mobile broadband and make a new connection
[08:06] <Beldar> all lof it
[08:06] <Kartagis> but next time, the connection isn't there
[08:06] <brucelee> Beldar: this is not a straight forward troubleshooting process
[08:07] <brucelee> Beldar: because im using apt-get cache
[08:07] <Beldar> Kartagis, Run lsusb in the cli and identify the hardware to the channel.
[08:07] <Kartagis> all the connections I had to previously create are listed only after I create a new one
[08:07] <brucelee> what this means is, i have a server which caches apt-get downloaded packages
[08:07] <Beldar> brucelee, Cool never mind.
[08:07] <Kartagis> why is that?
[08:08] <brucelee> pavelic: let me try that
[08:08] <Beldar> Kartagis, 7 posts that should have been one./
[08:08] <pavelic> brucelee, could be a dead repo on the remote side for something you've added ages ago?
[08:09] <Kartagis> sorry Beldar
[08:09] <Kartagis> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7912459/
[08:09] <Kartagis> Beldar: ^
[08:10] <brucelee> pavelic: i think we should rule out remote issues because it works with other servers
[08:10] <ObrienDave> giorgiodinapoli, too old, not supported anymore, i would not know
[08:10] <Beldar> Kartagis, take your pick https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&output=search&sclient=psy-ab&q=ubuntu+E220+HSDPA+Modem+/+E230/E270/E870+HSDPA/HSUPA+Modem&gbv=1&sei=3fnZU9GEC6G7igLJ2YHYBw
[08:10] <pavelic> brucelee, good luck then, sorry.
[08:10] <brucelee> pavelic: infact, after i reinstalled ubuntu, and changed from the ubuntu default sources.list to what it was before i reinstalled ubuntu (the same one that didnt work previously)
[08:10] <brucelee> it worked
[08:11] <brucelee> so im pretty sure its something weird with local server, not the remote repo
[08:11] <Kartagis> Beldar: the first hit says can't connect. but I can
[08:12] <Beldar> Kartagis, Like I asked take your pick
[08:12] <ObrienDave> brucelee, try changing repo mirrors
[08:12] <brucelee> ObrienDave: you mean changing stuff inside sources.list?
[08:12] <brucelee> sources.list contains repo mirrors right?
[08:13] <ObrienDave> there is a GUI for sources
[08:13] <brucelee> this is not on a ubuntu desktop
[08:13] <brucelee> its on a server, no gui
[08:13] <ObrienDave> i would not know how to do that on a server
[08:15] <brucelee> ObrienDave: its ok, thanks tho
[08:29] <okhel> Hallo
[08:30] <ObrienDave> greetings and welcome
[08:39] <m1dnight> Guys, this information is wrong, I presume: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[08:39] <m1dnight> Wrong according to:
[08:39] <m1dnight> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
[08:39] <m1dnight> (I'm talking about the first point release)
[08:39] <m1dnight> Since I can't do do-dist-upgrade yet on my machine, I presume 17th of august should be correct.
[08:39] <Rogz> yo anyone here to help me with linux i got this big problem i can't install my gpu drivers nor change the resolution
[08:40] <viscera> Why is audio randomly dying until I reboot? 14.04.1 LTS amd64 notebook with a "00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801I (ICH9 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)" audio device
[08:40] <viscera> Works fine with other OSes
[08:40] <viscera> (including Linux)
[08:41] <Rogz> yo anyone here to help me with linux i got this big problem i can't install my gpu drivers nor change the resolution
[08:41] <Rogz> sorry
[08:43] <viscera> Doing step 1A in https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshootingProcedure fixes it, so it must be a bug with PulseAudio or Ubuntu's implementation of it, right?
[08:43] <ObrienDave> m1dnight, read that again, 12.04.5 is due Aug 17th
[08:43] <Rogz> yo anyone here to help me with linux i got this big problem i can't install my gpu drivers nor change the resolution
[08:44] <ikonia> Rogz: what graphics card do you have and how are you trying to install drivers
[08:44] <ikonia> Rogz: what version of ubuntu are you using
[08:45] <Rogz> ERr
[08:45] <ObrienDave> m1dnight, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule clearly shows 14.04.1 was released July 24th
[08:45] <Rogz> desktop but i don't know the number
[08:45] <Rogz> how can i check the number?
[08:45] <ObrienDave> uname -a
[08:46] <Rogz> Linux fahd-H81M-S2PH 3.13.0-32-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP Tue Jul 15 03:51:08 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:46] <ObrienDave> oops, sorry
[08:46] <Rogz> my gpu is GTX 750 ti
[08:46] <m1dnight> right, I read wrong
[08:46] <m1dnight> my mistake
[08:46] <m1dnight> sorry guys
[08:47] <m1dnight> Strange, that dist-upgrade says there is no new version then, right?
[08:47] <ikonia> Rogz: please run "lsb_release -a" and confirm the release number (don't paste it all please)
[08:47] <Rogz> No LSB modules are available.
[08:48] <k1l> m1dnight: 14.04.1 release is a "servicepack". if you run all updates you are already on 14.04.1
[08:48] <Rogz> oh wwait sorry
[08:48] <Rogz> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[08:48] <Rogz> Release:	14.04
[08:48] <m1dnight> No, i'm still on 12.04 LTS
[08:48] <Rogz> there ikonia
[08:48] <m1dnight> So I did what the wiki says to upgrade to 14.04 but it fails
[08:49] <k1l> m1dnight: ok, the LTS to LTS upgrade will be opened in some time. i dont know when the devs will do that
[08:49] <m1dnight> Oooh
[08:49] <m1dnight> I read that it's opened up when the .1 release is released
[08:49] <m1dnight> Therefore I was confused :)
[08:49] <m1dnight> Ubuntu gives me a warning HWE stack will be unsupported soon, that's why I tried.
[08:49] <ObrienDave> m1dnight,  cat /etc/issue
[08:49] <m1dnight> I'll try agani soon then
[08:50] <m1dnight> Ubuntu 12.04.4 LTS \n \l
[08:50] <ObrienDave> k, thnaks
[08:50] <ObrienDave> *thanks
[08:50] <Rogz> so what do you think? i have been at it for hours
[08:50] <TJ-> m1dnight: the upgrade won't happen until Trusty is added to http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts
[08:50] <k1l> m1dnight: you can change to the trusty kernel anyway (and should)
[08:51] <m1dnight> oh, so I add the -d flag ?
[08:51] <TJ-> m1dnight: It's already available in -proposed  though
[08:51] <k1l> m1dnight: no. change the kernel package to lts trusty kernel
[08:51] <Rogz> does anyone know how to fix it?
[08:52] <m1dnight> hmm, I think I can do that k1l
[08:52] <m1dnight> hold on :)
[08:53] <m1dnight> http://packages.ubuntu.com/trusty/kernel/linux-base
[08:53] <m1dnight> that's that one, right?
[08:53] <Rogz> does anyone know how to fix it?
[08:54] <k1l> m1dnight: please read the message you get about HWE stack carefully
[08:54] <TJ-> m1dnight: it's "sudo apt-get install --install-recommends linux-generic-lts-trusty xserver-xorg-lts-trusty libgl1-mesa-glx-lts-trusty" as per https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/LTSEnablementStack
[08:54] <k1l> m1dnight: it even explains what to do.
[08:54] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, have you tried installing nvidia proprietary drivers
[08:54] <m1dnight> yes, I can do that, or upgrade to 14.04
[08:55] <m1dnight> but I'd prefer to upgrade to 14.04
[08:55] <linuxuz3r> or ubuntu hardware automatic installer
[08:55] <m1dnight> * Upgrade from Ubuntu 12.04 LTS to Ubuntu 14.04 LTS by running:
[08:55] <m1dnight> putty accidental paste, nvm
[08:55] <Rogz> [11:54] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, have you tried installing nvidia proprietary drivers
[08:55] <Rogz> how to do that
[08:56] <ikonia> Rogz: ok, thats great
[08:56] <ikonia> Rogz: how are you trying to actually install the nvidia modules
[08:57] <ikonia> Rogz: or "what are you doing"
[08:57] <Rogz> well
[08:57] <Rogz> i installed wine
[08:57] <jim2> hello i am getting an error message "system program problem detected" why?
[08:57] <Rogz> and ran the download
[08:57] <Rogz> and i get
[08:57] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, first off have you tried installing nvidia drivers through additional drivers
[08:57] <ikonia> why have you installed wine ?
[08:57] <Rogz> Mircsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library
[08:57] <Rogz> Runtime Erorr!
[08:57] <Rogz> Program C:\NVDIA\D...
[08:57] <Rogz> This Application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way
[08:57] <ikonia> what has wine got to do with your video card drivers
[08:57] <k1l> m1dnight: they are still sorting bugs that will make trouble while upgradeing to 14.04. so stay patient for a short time.
[08:57] <Rogz> well
[08:57] <Rogz> i tried to run the linux file
[08:57] <Rogz> it didn't work
[08:58] <Rogz> ..
[08:58] <ikonia> Rogz: so at that point you stop
[08:58] <k1l> Rogz: you cant install drivers with wine
[08:58] <ikonia> Rogz: there is no need to run any "files"
[08:58] <Rogz> no the driver for linux
[08:58] <ikonia> Rogz: if you open the software center and search for nvidia, you will find nvidia graphics drivers
[08:58] <Rogz> it didn't work it opened up a notepad
[08:58] <ikonia> Rogz: once you click "install" it will install
[08:58] <Rogz> oh
[08:58] <Rogz> okay i'll look for it
[08:58] <ikonia> !nvidia | Rogz
[08:58] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, try Additional drivers for ubuntu
[08:58] <ikonia> Rogz: please please ask if you are not sure
[08:58] <linuxuz3r> you can see it in unity application menu
[08:59] <ikonia> Rogz: do not use wine to install anything for linux
[08:59] <Rogz> i did linuxuz3r
[08:59] <Rogz> i found nothing
[08:59] <Rogz> kk i'll look for it in the center
[08:59] <ikonia> Rogz: do you know how to use a pastebin ?
[08:59] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, 750ti should be supported
[09:01] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, stick with nouvea are you going to play games or do 3d stuff in ubuntu
[09:02] <takasurazeem> Hi I am trying to install jdk8. using % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz and what I get on terminal is % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz
[09:02] <Rogz> [12:01] <linuxuz3r> Rogz, stick with nouvea are you going to play games or do 3d stuff in ubuntu
[09:02] <Rogz> err no
[09:02] <takasurazeem> my bashrc file is empty as well
[09:02] <Rogz> screen is way too small
[09:02] <Rogz> so yeah people say the problem is the driver
[09:03] <TJ-> Rogz: what does "screen too small" mean? incorrect pixel resolution? What is it, and what should it be?
[09:04] <jim2> hi i am getting an error " system program problem detected'why?
[09:04] <ObrienDave> !details | jim2
[09:05] <jim2> ubuntu 14.04 when i boot up sometimes it gives me an error system program problem detected and an option to report this problem..just this
[09:06] <TJ-> jim2: You mean a GUI dialog-box but no further details about the problem?
[09:06] <jim2> yes tj
[09:06] <takasurazeem> Hi I am trying to install jdk8. using % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz and what I get on terminal is % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz
[09:06] <takasurazeem> Hi I am trying to install jdk8. using % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz and what I get on terminal is % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz
[09:06] <takasurazeem> my bashrc file is empty as well
[09:06] <takasurazeem> :/
[09:06] <TJ-> jim2: That used to happen alot on 13.10 ... did you upgrade from 13.10 to 14.04 ?
[09:07] <ObrienDave> !patience | takasurazeem
[09:07] <TJ-> takasurazeem: You mean "$HOME/.bashrc" ?
[09:07] <takasurazeem> yes
[09:07] <jim2> no tj i have not had ubuntu on my laptop i just installed it 1 month ago
[09:08] <ryanz> hello
[09:08] <takasurazeem> @TJ yes
[09:08] <TJ-> jim2: OK ... do you suspend/resume the laptop?
[09:08] <ObrienDave> ryanz, greetings and welcome
[09:08] <TJ-> takasurazeem: Did you delete the file, or edit it previously?
[09:08] <takasurazeem> nope
[09:09] <jim2> it works fine but it gives me that error (sometimes not all the time)
[09:10] <takasurazeem> TJ-:
[09:10] <TJ-> jim2: It can be caused by non-serious issues during suspend/resume on laptops, so if that's what you do with your laptop that might be the explanation
[09:10] <takasurazeem> TJ-: I don't have laptop, it's PC
[09:11] <joezasa> hi guys this is just a test for Polari IRC client
[09:11] <jim2> he iss talking to me :/
[09:11] <takasurazeem> :P sry
[09:11] <jim2> :)
[09:11] <akwyti> joezasa, it works ;)
[09:11] <TJ-> takasurazeem: You can replace the missing file using "cp /etc/skel/.bashrc $HOME/"
[09:11] <joezasa> big Hi five to UBUNTU community but ARCH is Better
[09:12] <mboeru> hello
[09:12] <mboeru> anyone tried to install and boot 14.04 on a diskless server with iscsi target ?
[09:12] <joezasa> Thanks akwyti
[09:12] <takasurazeem> TJ-: Still that error :/
[09:12] <mboeru> I managed to install it but booting just hangs
[09:12] <joezasa> i will leave now thankyou guys
[09:12] <joezasa> thank you*
[09:12] <TJ-> takasurazeem: what error - the file still missing?
[09:13] <takasurazeem> TJ-: bash: fg: %: no such job
[09:13] <takasurazeem> It's driving me mad :@
[09:13] <TJ-> takasurazeem: what command are you issuing?
[09:13] <takasurazeem> TJ-: % tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz
[09:13] <jim2> i fixed that
[09:14] <TJ-> takasurazeem: lose the "%", I think you've copied that literally from a tutorial. It is there to represent the shell prompt, which you probably have as a "$"
[09:14] <jim2> it seems that my var/crash file was full of notifications and with a quick cleanup via the terminal addressed this particular issue
[09:14] <takasurazeem> TJ-: so I will have to replace that % with & ?
[09:14] <takasurazeem> $*
[09:14] <TJ-> takasurazeem: no. don't put anything there
[09:14] <takasurazeem> k
[09:15] <TJ-> takasurazeem: look at your shell prompt. Doesn't it end with a "$" ?
[09:15] <TJ-> takasurazeem: e.g. on one of my systems the shell prompt currently shows: "tj@caddy:~$ "
[09:16] <takasurazeem> TJ-: root@Takasur-ESPRIMO-P5730:/home/tak/Desktop/JDK#
[09:16] <ricotta17> hi
[09:16] <ricotta17> !list
[09:16] <geirha> takasurazeem: you shouldn't be doing that as root
[09:16] <TJ-> takasurazeem: OK, as root, your shell prompt ends with a "#" ... but in the instructions you are following it looks like they represented the shell prompt you see with the "%"
[09:17] <takasurazeem> :# so a '#' instead of %, I am new to linux xD but fan of linux sry for stupid questions
[09:18] <TJ-> takasurazeem: to successfully run the extract command you'd just type what is inside these quotes: "tar zxvf jdk-8uversion-linux-x64.tar.gz"
[09:18] <TJ-> takasurazeem: But as geirha said you would be better extracting the file as your normal user, not as root. You only need to run the installer as root, using the "sudo" command
[09:18] <takasurazeem> I think oracle didn't update tut.
[09:19] <takasurazeem> TJ-:http://docs.oracle.com/javase/8/docs/technotes/guides/install/linux_jdk.html#BJFJJEFG
[09:19] <takasurazeem> that's what I've been followning
[09:19] <takasurazeem> following*
[09:20] <TJ-> takasurazeem: Yes, as I said, the tutorial represents the shell prompt with the "%" to denote running the command with a normal user account
[09:22] <rolfy> evening
[09:22] <ObrienDave> rolfy, greetings and welcome
[09:23] <rolfy> hiya
[09:23] <rolfy> very formal greeting :)
[09:23] <ObrienDave> not really, polite and to the point LOL
[09:28] <ObrienDave> TJ-, did you scare them off? ;P
[09:31] <TJ-> ObrienDave: I hope so... not been to bed yet... trying to last all day now :)
[09:32] <ObrienDave> oh sheesh guy, go get some sleep
[09:35] <TJ-> ObrienDave: I'm chasing down a kernel regression in 3.16-rc7 right now, don't want it to get away before 3.16 is released
[09:35] <ObrienDave> ah, gotcha
[09:40] <sad> Hi
[09:40] <ObrienDave> sad, greetings and welcome
[09:40] <sad> please help me
[09:41] <ObrienDave> ask away
[09:41] <sad> how can i update tor at lubuntu 14 ?
[09:41] <k1l> !tor | sad
[09:42] <ObrienDave> !tor-sasl
[09:48] <david_> have a young friend with Ubuntu whose laptop will not come out of airplane mode
[09:49] <ObrienDave> airplane mode? you mean sleep or hibernate?
[09:49] <david_> no wireless
[09:50] <ObrienDave> which adapter?
[09:51] <ObrienDave> broadcom?
[09:51] <david_> don't know
[09:51] <ObrienDave> when does this happen? after sleep/hibernate? always?
[09:51] <david_> at startup
[09:52] <ObrienDave> so, always
[09:52] <david_> yes
[09:52] <ObrienDave> does wireless work under other OSes? like windows?
[09:53] <TJ-> david_: does the laptop have a hardware radio kill switch? is it in the enabled position?
[09:53] <david_> good question I understand he is dual booting with 8,1
[09:53] <ObrienDave> that was going to be my next question LOL
[09:54] <david_> will ask I wish I knew more
[09:54] <ObrienDave> david_, ok, it's important to get as much detail as you can. different adapters/situations have different solutions
[09:55] <david_> This boy is only 10 maybe a big ask
[09:56] <ObrienDave> ok, check for hardware switch first, then see if it works under windows, and find out the adapter model number
[09:57] <david_> Ok thanks for advice will  email him
[09:58] <ObrienDave> no problem
[10:01] <mgreg> btw has anybody seen issues booting with luks encryption on / (with 14.04)? Both times I've tried it the system ended up hanging after I put in my passphrase. Though booting in recovery mode worked fine.
[10:02] <ObrienDave> david_, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WirelessTroubleShootingGuide
[10:14] <TJ-> mgreg: No
[10:14] <ObrienDave> mgreg, just out of curiosity, do you have timeshift installed?
[10:20] <AAmit> hi
[10:21] <ObrienDave> AAmit, greetings and welcome
[10:22] <AAmit> ObrienDave: How are u today?
[10:23] <ObrienDave> good thank you, and you?
[10:24] <mgreg> @ObrienDave NAFAIK, it booted fine the first couple of times, then after i left it on for a week or so and accidentally rebooted it happened again
[10:24] <ObrienDave> you would know if you had timeshift installed
[10:25] <mgreg> the first time I thought I had caused it by trying to mount my old hdd with an encrypted home dir, the second time I hadn't touched it
[10:25] <AAmit> m also fine.... :)
[10:26] <ObrienDave> well, i had that trouble using timeshift. i purged it. sorry, but i don't know much about luks
[10:28] <mgreg> i think it was getting stuck waiting for something, but there's obviously no logs in tty0 and in recovery mode it worked (apart from my graphics drivers not loading properly)
[10:28] <truedon> hey guys - does anyone know the best way to run a ssh command over multiple servers simultaneously, so u can issue a command to 10 servers at once?
[10:29] <mgreg> add your ssh key to each server, and then use a script to issue commands?
[10:29] <mgreg> c.f. ssh-copy-id
[10:30] <jana> i need help pleeease
[10:31] <jana> happily decided to finally replace windows xp by ubuntu.
[10:32] <jana> my laptop is old, hp, AMD Turion (tm) 64 Mobile, ML-34, 789MHz, 896MB RAM, 75GB
[10:32] <jana> tried installing ubuntu 14.01. burned the image DVD
[10:33] <ObrienDave> jana, may i suggest a lighter flavor of Ubuntu? specifically Xubuntu or Lubuntu
[10:33] <jana> but i can never go beyond configuring bcmwl-kernel-source. there it always hangs
[10:33] <jana> hi obriendave.
[10:34] <jana> earlier i also tried the xubuntu. same procedure. image dvd. and it hangs at the same place.
[10:34] <ObrienDave> ok, sec
[10:34] <jana> i have so idea what to do
[10:34] <jana> :) thanks so much. i already appreaciate that you hear me!
[10:36] <ObrienDave> http://askubuntu.com/questions/288078/ubuntu-13-04-installer-hangs-on-configuring-bcmwl-kernel-source
[10:36] <ObrienDave> i know it's for an older version, but it might help you
[10:36] <nbubuntu> Anyone know how which comment to switch between PCIEx output display and internal VGA build motherboard output display ?
[10:37] <nbubuntu> command*
[10:38] <faLUCE> hello. my eth0 interface is not seen with "ifconfig -a" but it is seen as hardware with lspci... what I could do?
[10:38] <jana> i saw this entry. but i dont even know how i reach the dos-window(however this is called) where i can enter manual commands. it says at the end of the link you sent me with ctr+alt+f2 but nothing happens when i do this. and then, what do i have to enter.
[10:39] <ObrienDave> jana, reading it myself ;)
[10:39] <jana> :) thanks
[10:41] <ObrienDave> jana, try answer #2, start again and do NOT install 3rd party drivers or do updates while installing
[10:42] <jana> ok. will do. thank you obriendave. a lot.
[10:42] <jana> one more: when i start anew...since it was in both cases the same problem, does it matter if i take xbuntu or ubuntu?
[10:43] <ObrienDave> no
[10:43] <ObrienDave> i recommend Xubuntu for your laptop
[10:45] <ObrienDave> only because i run Xubuntu on mine :))
[10:46] <yz3p> i recommend lubuntu
[10:47] <OERIAS> lubuntu is the same
[10:47] <ObrienDave> as?
[10:47] <yz3p> not the same!
[10:48] <ObrienDave> yz3p, no feeding ;P
[10:48] <jana> ok. if you recommend it, so shall it be.
[10:48] <jana> i will try with xubuntu
[10:48] <jana> thank you!
[10:49] <ObrienDave> i like it, you're welcome
[10:50] <truedon> anyone using clusterssh? or a parallel shell anywhere
[10:53] <JasonoftheB> HI
[10:53] <ObrienDave> JasonoftheB, greetings and welcome
[10:54] <JasonoftheB> I got a problem with my custom icon pack. If I have it in /usr/share/icons it works.
[10:54] <JasonoftheB> But if I have it in ~/.local/share/icons it doesn't show up in unity-tweak-tools
[10:58] <ecthiender> hi when I can find update docs for supybot?
[10:58] <annoymouse> Okay. I
[10:58] <annoymouse> *I
[10:58] <annoymouse> **I'm ready to make the LiveUSB
[10:59] <annoymouse> I have an 8GB for the installer, and a 16GB for the permanent
[10:59] <ecthiender> this one also mentions its out of date.. http://ubottu.com/stdin/supydocs/supybot-docs/
[11:00] <DJones> ecthiender: I've got this link bookmarked, it may well be old though http://supybook.fealdia.org/0.0.4/#_what_is_this_document
[11:02] <nbubuntu> Anyone know how which command to switch between GCard PCIEx output display and internal VGA build motherboard output display ?
[11:08] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, wb, refresh me, what OS are you on now and which do you want to install?
[11:09] <annoymouse> I'm on OS X 10.8.5 and I am looking to make a LiveUSB of Ubuntu 14.04 (with persistence)
[11:10] <ObrienDave> and you want to make only the 16GB a permanent system or replace OSX
[11:10] <annoymouse> We determined the best way to do this was to copy the installer iso to a flash drive, and use that to install Ubuntu on a different flash drive
[11:10] <annoymouse> Only the 16GB a permanent system
[11:11] <annoymouse> I don't want to touch my OS X
[11:11] <ObrienDave> yes, and you did not want to burn a DVD for the live system because?
[11:11] <annoymouse> I don't have a DVD, but I have a spare USB drive
[11:11] <annoymouse> So I figured I'd use that instead
[11:11] <ObrienDave> ok, here we go
[11:12] <ObrienDave> d/l unetbootin for mac, use that to burn ISO to the USB
[11:13] <ObrienDave> you can add persistence if you like but not really necessary for installing to the 16GB
[11:13] <ObrienDave> d/l unetbootin for mac, use that to burn ISO to the 8GB USB
[11:14] <annoymouse> I can't use Disk Util to burn it?
[11:15] <ObrienDave> not sure on a mac, unetbootin seems to work better
[11:15] <santhosh> hai
[11:16] <ObrienDave> santhosh, greetings and welcome
[11:16] <santhosh> how to open a terminal in that terminal how to run jar file usiong sheel script
[11:17] <santhosh> iam using lubuntu in lxde desktop
[11:19] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, after that's done, boot 8GB USB into the live system
[11:19] <santhosh> how to open a terminal in that terminal how to run jar file using sheel script in lubuntu
[11:23] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, let us know when you're in the live USB system
[11:23] <annoymouse> ObrienDave: It seems like UnetBootin gives me an option to download the iso from itself
[11:24] <annoymouse> Should I do that, or download it seperately
[11:24] <annoymouse> Sorry, apparently I misplaced the 8GB
[11:24] <annoymouse> I'll find it soon though
[11:25] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, well, without a DVD you'll need 2 USBs. you already have the ISO, yes?
[11:26] <ObrienDave> at the bottom of the unetbootin screen, you'll find a file requester for the ISO
[11:26] <annoymouse> I have the iso
[11:27] <annoymouse> ObrienDave: I think I can make the first USB myself
[11:27] <ObrienDave> well, you still need 2 to end up with a stand alone USB system
[11:27] <annoymouse> Once I have that done, I just plug the second one in and click on the "Install Ubuntu" option (or whatever it's called), and choose the second USB as the target disk, correct?
[11:28] <ObrienDave> yes, pretty much
[11:28] <annoymouse> And will I have an option to configure persistence in the installer, or should I partition the drive myself?
[11:30] <ObrienDave> when you install the final to the 16GB, you will not need persistence, that is only for the live system, not the stand alone
[11:31] <m1dnight> hey guys
[11:31] <m1dnight> I'm sturggling to mount my virtualbox share
[11:31] <m1dnight> I upgrded to 14.04
[11:31] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, persistence allows you to retain settings, add packages to the live system and use it as an installer
[11:31] <annoymouse> Ah you're right. Thanks ObrienDave! I'll come back when I'm done, or if I need help.
[11:31] <m1dnight> I can mount it manually using "mount -t vboxsf <name> <mountpoint>, but my old fstab line doesnt seem to do it
[11:31] <Blenda> hi world
[11:32] <m1dnight> anyone who can help me troubleshoot?
[11:32] <m1dnight> ive googled a boatload but nothing works..
[11:32] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, good luck, i'll be here ;)
[11:33] <m1dnight> hmm added vboxsf to /etC/modules
[11:33] <m1dnight> lets hope this works
[11:33] <m1dnight> brb
[11:33] <Walex> m1dnight: if you can do "mount -t vboxsf <name> <mountpoint>" then the same parameters in 'fstab' will work
[11:34] <Walex> m1dnight: unless you expect the 'mount' to happen before the drive is active.
[11:34] <antithesis> Does anyone here use dunst?
[11:35] <m1dnight> hmm still not working
[11:35] <m1dnight> any tips?
[11:37] <ObrienDave> annoymouse, be VERY careful you do NOT select your HD for the install. bad news there LOL
[11:39] <adding> hello. every 9.10 install disc i burn fails disc verification as well as installation.
[11:39] <adding> anyone else experienced this?
[11:39] <sine0> is there a vurtual machine option that is free for linux
[11:40] <adding> it happens with 9.04 images as well. this has happened with the server, and desktor normal as well as alt install images
[11:40] <ObrienDave> VirtualBox
[11:40] <jana> obriendave! thanks for your support!
[11:40] <ObrienDave> jana, most welcome :)
[11:40] <m1dnight> so, anyone?
[11:40] <adding> sine0: kvm
[11:40] <m1dnight> It's still not working :(
[11:40] <jana> installation just finished and the computer is starting anew
[11:41] <sine0> kvm/virtualbox
[11:41] <sine0> people refer to vmware is that a paysoft
[11:41] <ObrienDave> jana, excellent, come back if you have more questions
[11:41] <m1dnight> Ill go ask it on askubuntu then..
[11:42] <ObrienDave> sine0, 99% of the software is free
[11:42] <jana> thank you. now i'm very curious to explore xubuntu!
[11:42] <m1dnight> hmm
[11:43] <m1dnight> now i'm getting the error that the vboxsf gruop does not exist
[11:43] <ptman> does anyone know the process for updating http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts ?
[11:43] <m1dnight> nvm that was a typo
[11:43] <ptman> is there a bug tracker? a public mailing list? something else?
[11:49] <jana> obriendave....sorry, another quesiton for you: can you recommant any programm that runs on xubuntu and i can use for an iphone?
[11:50] <ObrienDave> jana, such as?
[11:50] <jana> such as itunes
[11:50] <jana> or i heard rhythmbox is an equivalent?!
[11:51] <ObrienDave> not really sure about the iphone, don't have one
[11:52] <ObrienDave> i'm sure there must be something you can use
[11:53] <DJones> !iphone | jana I think the bot has a link about using iphones with Ubuntu, not sure how up-to-date it is though,
[11:53] <ObrienDave> jana, there ya go ^^^
[11:53] <jana> thanks ubootu!
[11:53] <jana> thanks obriendave!
[11:54] <ObrienDave> don't forget DJones  LOL
[11:54] <jana> thanks djones!
[11:57] <Slagwag> Morning folks
[11:57] <antithesis> Does anyone here use dunst?
[12:16] <makara> hi. Why do I get "Network is unreachable" with whois?
[12:17] <makara> what port does it use? other Internet is ok
[12:18] <irgendwer4711> hi, I think Ubuntu had forgotten to aplly this debian update https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=696537
[12:20] <irgendwer4711> I cant build a new kernel without initrd in Ubuntu 14.04.1
[12:23] <marcelrf> camelot
[12:25] <dExIT> how can i install an older version of packages like BIND(9.8.1-P1) and SQUID(3.1.19)
[12:36] <Blenda> Hi, i have to sudo reboot or it won't, any help? Ubuntu 14.04 LTS
[12:41] <Blenda> plz help, i have to sudo reboot, or it won't...
[12:50] <jkhl> shortcut key for opening the emulated terminal in Xubuntu?
[12:53] <fffuuuL> HHi
[12:53] <fffuuuL> How can i check in which package some applications are packaged?
[12:53] <fffuuuL> I'm looking for php5 DOM extension
[12:54] <fffuuuL> or how can i find out what file is in what package
[12:54] <fffuuuL> so i could check against the *.so file
[12:55] <DJones> fffuuuL: I've just used the packages.ubuntu.com site to search for "php dom" thats given this result for 14.04 http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=PHP+DOM&searchon=names&suite=trusty&section=all
[12:55] <fffuuuL> DJones: You didn't check out the results tho
[12:55] <fffuuuL> There is nothing helpful
[12:56] <DJones> fffuuuL: No, I'm not exactly sure which package/file you're looking for
[12:57] <fffuuuL> DJones: the PHP5 DOM Extension, i don't know the package aswell
[12:57] <fffuuuL> that's what i'm looking for :D
[12:57] <fffuuuL> I will try apt-file now
[12:59] <dExIT> how can i install an older version of packages like BIND(9.8.1-P1) and SQUID(3.1.19)
[12:59] <dExIT> Hi
[13:00] <dExIT> how can i install an older version of packages like BIND(9.8.1-P1) and SQUID(3.1.19)
[13:03] <jkhl> (solved)
[13:07] <tonyS> I tried to use apt-get to install curl and I got, "package curl is not available". Is there some way I can download it using my web browser and try to install it using terminal?
[13:12] <tonyS> Can anyone help?
[13:13] <nyc-h0st> http://curl.haxx.se/download.html
[13:13] <tonyS> nyc-h0st: thanks
[13:14] <geirha> tonyS: curl is in the repositories
[13:15] <geirha> !info curl
[13:15] <tonyS> geirha: I'm afraid I'm dealing with a modified version of ubuntu. Unannounced to me.
[13:17] <geirha> a modified version of ubuntu where main repo is removed ... weird
[13:18] <dohzer> What's the difference between ATTR and ATTRS in a UDEV rule?
[13:21] <StolenToast> does anyonedoes anyone here use OpenVPN with their ubuntu server?
[13:22] <StolenToast> or any vpn?
[13:23] <StolenToast> I've got one set up and it does not work, basically
[13:23] <StolenToast> UNLESS I disable my firewall
[13:23] <StolenToast> even though I've forwarded the associated ports
[13:23] <dino82> Associated ports being which ones
[13:23] <MonkeyDust> StolenToast  there's also #ubuntu-server... try to keep you questions in one line
[13:23] <StolenToast> will do
[13:24] <StolenToast> dino82: opening firestarter, gimme a sec
[13:25] <StolenToast> port 1194
[13:36] <meganerd> StolenToast: how does it not work exactly?  Are you not able to connect or is the problem with forwarding?
[13:37] <LucidGuy> Anyone know how to mount Window dynamic disk volume under linux
[13:37] <subz3r0> dynamic disk volume?
[13:37] <subz3r0> what is that?
[13:37] <StolenToast> I have an smb share set up between my PC and my server and it is unaccessible when the firewall is enabled
[13:37] <LucidGuy> subz3r0, Windows server volumes
[13:38] <meganerd> subz3r0: think if it as LVM for windows
[13:38] <subz3r0> ahh "LDM"
[13:38] <subz3r0> here u go: http://michael-prokop.at/blog/2013/02/18/ldmtool-accessing-microsoft-windows-dynamic-disks-from-linux/
[13:38] <matty_r> hey all
[13:38] <StolenToast> meganerd, if I am already connected to the vpn and I turn on the firewall the connection is not dropped but does not admit any traffic
[13:39] <StolenToast> if I then turn the firewall off I am still connected and it begins working
[13:39] <meganerd> StolenToast: so the problem is with your forwarding rules
[13:39] <StolenToast> but if I attempt to connect after the firewall is on it is not
[13:39] <StolenToast> I suspect it is
[13:39] <matty_r> So, i'm moving from Win8.1 to Ubuntu. Whats the best software to replace the entire MS Office suite? Including Outlook
[13:39] <StolenToast> but I could not find any more information than forward port 1194
[13:39] <subz3r0> here another one: http://bigli.ch/howto-access-windows-spanned-dynamic-disks-with-ubuntu/
[13:39] <StolenToast> which is also specified in the config
[13:39] <subz3r0> matty_r: libre office
[13:39] <subz3r0> matty_r: its been shipped with ubuntu
[13:39] <StolenToast> libre doesn't have something like outlook though
[13:40] <meganerd> StolenToast: port 1194 is what you connect in on, you need to allow destination ports
[13:40] <subz3r0> outlook suxx
[13:40] <StolenToast> probably use THunderbird
[13:40] <subz3r0> there is no outlook alternative
[13:40] <matty_r> Thanxx but I like outlook
[13:40] <subz3r0> then stay with windows
[13:40] <StolenToast> I bet you can get most of outlook's functionality with tbird plugins
[13:40] <meganerd> StolenToast: if you want to access web pages, you will need to allow 80 and 443 on the forward chain
[13:40] <matty_r> Thanks for your help
[13:40] <meganerd> or Evolution
[13:41] <matty_r> Thunderbird can do RSS and alerts?
[13:41] <StolenToast> meganerd, I am not good at iptables so I use Firestarter
[13:41] <StolenToast> are you familiar?
[13:41] <meganerd> StolenToast: never used it
[13:41] <subz3r0> firestarter?
[13:41] <subz3r0> some gui for netfilter?
[13:41] <StolenToast> netfilter?
[13:41] <subz3r0> !netfilter | StolenToast
[13:41] <StolenToast> it manages the firewall, however it does that
[13:42] <subz3r0> hmm well
[13:42] <subz3r0> iptables is based on netfilter
[13:42] <meganerd> StolenToast: I have usually used scripts, lately I have been getting to know ufw since it ships with ubuntu
[13:42] <matty_r> Does Libre office have Spreadsheets and compatible with formulas from Excel?
[13:42] <subz3r0> !gufw | StolenToast
[13:43] <meganerd> matty_r: that is the wrong sort of question to ask if you want to be successful in moving to a new platform
[13:43] <subz3r0> matty_r: no idea what spreadsheets are... guess i dont know the german word for it... but yes, excel file work
[13:43] <matty_r> meganerd: howdo you meaN
[13:43] <StolenToast> matty_r, I would not expect great compatibility with Office formatting, but the formulas should all be fine
[13:44] <matty_r> I'm just looking for advice to ease the transition
[13:44] <meganerd> matty_r: identify your workflow, then figure out how to accomplish that task(s) with open source programs.  Often there is more than one program that you may need to use, where in the Windows world there might have been one.
[13:45] <meganerd> matty_r: basically, I can do almost everything that I can do in windows, but there is not always a 1 to 1 mapping in programs
[13:45] <subz3r0> meganerd: but mostly
[13:45] <StolenToast> matty_r, libre office functions quite differently from Office in many many ways
[13:45] <meganerd> subz3r0: it depends
[13:45] <meganerd> subz3r0: not in the audio space
[13:45] <StolenToast> if you are accustomed to office or poweruse it you're gonna struggle
[13:45] <matty_r> meganerd: I completely understand that, you guys just mentioned that Libre office is comparable. Close enough is good enough, i'm not looking for an exact replica, just certain things
[13:45] <meganerd> no VBscript for example
[13:45] <StolenToast> but ultimately it is still very powerful
[13:46] <matty_r> I don't need VBScript, just a majority of the formulas is all
[13:46] <StolenToast> meganerd subz3r0, so if I have never enabled ufw I should be unaffected by it?
[13:46] <meganerd> matty_r: I don't use a lot of spreadsheets, and I don't notice a difference.  I know  a lot of Excel power users who did not like Libre/Open Office
[13:47] <meganerd> StolenToast: it is just another frontend to iptables/netfilter
[13:47] <StolenToast> that's what firestarter is
[13:47] <meganerd> StolenToast: you might have better luck with it that whatever you are using
[13:47] <StolenToast> I can sure try it
[13:47] <matty_r> meganerd: fair call - I had heard of Open Office but not Libre office
[13:47] <StolenToast> but I suspect it is the firewall rules that are the problem
[13:47] <subz3r0> StolenToast: dont use ufw, use gufw
[13:48] <subz3r0> g for graphical
[13:48] <subz3r0> i prefer iptables.
[13:48] <meganerd> matty_r: LibreOffice is a fork of OO, seems to have gotten some traction in the past few years
[13:48] <wiehan> Hi, update my ubuntu and now can't even log in, log in screen looks fine, accepts password - flashes - then back to log in screen. I tried following the two suggestions on this post: http://goo.gl/G7Blgz but did not help. I can't believe I can't even log in. Log files are difficult to get onto the chat as I am using another laptop now. Strangely in /var/log/Xorg1.log - right at the end there is an odd error: Segmentation fault at ad
[13:48] <wiehan> dress 0x0 and later on Server terminated with error (1). This is clearly a result of a sudo apt-get update and sudo apt-get upgrade. Ai Ubuntu, why now.
[13:48] <matty_r> meganerd: got it
[13:49] <meganerd> matty_r: libre office is packaged in Ubuntu so I would look at it.
[13:49] <StolenToast> Libreoffice started because a large part of the open office team didn't like what oracle was doing to it
[13:50] <StolenToast> so libreoffice is basically the continuation of OO
[13:50] <StolenToast> I would even say OO is the fork now lol
[13:50] <matty_r> well fork me
[13:50] <meganerd> StolenToast: I am heading off to work.  Best of luck.  Remember, the forwarding chain is what you are interested in, and you need to allow destination ports on any IPs that you want to connect to (probably just 0/0 for everything)
[13:50] <matty_r> ...
[13:50] <matty_r> ah man, I don't want to reboot my server... 45 days uptime
[13:51] <meganerd> matty_r: uptime is meaningless.  Patches are important.
[13:51] <wiehan> Can't log into my system. Please help.
[13:51] <matty_r> meganerd: means something to me... lol
[13:51] <StolenToast> thanks meganerd
[13:51] <matty_r> wiehan: I had the same issue a little while ago mate, let me see if I can find the answer
[13:52] <djpo> hi i'm looking for alittle help with hacking wireless networks i'm first time using ubuntu
[13:52] <wiehan> matty_r, ty - production machine, critical time to fail. Appreciate it
[13:52] <meganerd> matty_r: I used to care as well.  I got over it :P  I actually autopatch my servers, which includes a daily reboot check (most of them reboot automatically)
[13:52] <matty_r> meganerd: yea I know.. but still lol
[13:53] <meganerd> djpo: you have a lot of work ahead of you.  Learning linux and networking.  What I am saying is that you need to know how locks work before you can reasonably expect to be able to pick them :)
[13:53] <matty_r> weihan: here we go
[13:53] <matty_r> **fix login loop
[13:53] <matty_r> Press "Ctrl+Alt+F3" and login into the shell.
[13:53] <matty_r> Now run " ls -lah "If in the output the line
[13:53] <matty_r> "-rw-------  1 root root   53 Nov 29 10:19 .Xauthority"
[13:53] <matty_r> then you need to do "chown username:username .Xauthority" and try logging in.
[13:53] <matty_r> Else, do "ls -ld /tmp". Check for the first 10 letters in the left: they should read exactly so: "drwxrwxrwt".
[13:53] <matty_r> "drwxrwxrwt 15 root root 4096 Nov 30 04:17 /tmp"
[13:53] <matty_r> Else, you need to do "sudo chmod a+wt /tmp" and check again.
[13:53] <matty_r> If not both, I'd recommend you either
[13:53] <matty_r> 1.    dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[13:53] <matty_r> 2.    or uninstall, reinstall it.
[13:53] <matty_r> Now press Alt+-> until you reach the login screen again, and restart.
[13:54] <unopaste`> matty_r you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[13:54] <unopaste`> matty_r you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[13:54] <unopaste`> matty_r you have been muted for 60 seconds as it looks like you are pasting lots of lines into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com and paste just the URL of your data here when you are unmuted
[13:54] <Pici> uh
[13:55] <wiehan> matty_r, Now run " ls -lah "If in the output the line - this line I don't understand
[13:55] <matty_r> did you get all that?
[13:55] <matty_r> go here http://paste.ubuntu.com/7914747/
[13:56] <wiehan> matty_r, sure, thanks, but: what is the exact command on this line: " ls -lah "If in the output the line
[13:56] <matty_r> you need to be in terminal
[13:56] <wiehan> with the Quotation marks and spaces?\
[13:56] <subz3r0> exact command?
[13:56] <matty_r> as is
[13:56] <matty_r> ls -lah
[13:56] <subz3r0> "ls" is the command
[13:57] <subz3r0> -"lah" are options
[13:57] <matty_r> exactly
[13:57] <subz3r0> "-lah"
[13:57] <subz3r0> you can see file and directory attributes with it
[13:57] <subz3r0> like who can access or read a file
[13:57] <subz3r0> and execute ofc
[13:58] <matty_r> the formatting is a little ugly in that paste
[13:58] <wiehan> matty_r, must I replace username:username with my username as in wiehan:wiehan?
[13:58] <subz3r0> rwxrwxrwx = read, write, execute (for all) means: user:group:others
[13:58] <subz3r0> wiehan: that or user $USER:$USER
[13:58] <Pici> !permissions
[13:58] <subz3r0> use
[13:58] <subz3r0> thanks Pici
[13:58] <Pici> np :)
[13:59] <subz3r0> wiehan: but before you do anything anyone told you. you should try to understand what youre doing
[13:59] <subz3r0> not just copy and paste any stuff
[14:00] <subz3r0> wiehan: first check the permissions with the given command. if everything is correct there. go to the next step
[14:00] <matty_r> weihan: i'm fixing the formatting a little for you
[14:01] <matty_r> weihan: this is a little better http://paste.ubuntu.com/7914811/
[14:03] <wiehan> matty_r, so far not looking good: the first Xauthority file was root root then I changed it as you said, successfully. Then I checked that tmp file the letters were all the same except 15 in stead of 6 after the letters. Then followed that command. Still did not work
[14:05] <matty_r> weihan: so the first step is correct now?
[14:06] <wiehan> matty_r, all the permissions are now verbatim as to your correct ones
[14:06] <matty_r> wiehan: ok did you try rebooting?
[14:06] <wiehan> matty_r, yes
[14:06] <Eldunar> Hello, can u tell me to to change filemanager from thunar to nemo?
[14:06] <matty_r> wiehan: same after reboot?
[14:07] <wiehan> matty_r, yes, same after reboot. Must I remove lightdm and reinstall?
[14:07] <matty_r> wiehan: how about dpkg-reconfigure?
[14:07] <wiehan> matty_r, did the reconfigure too
[14:07] <wiehan> matty_r, and then rebooted too
[14:07] <matty_r> wiehan: Ok, gimme a sec
[14:08] <matty_r> wiehan: Give this a quick read http://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[14:09] <matty_r> wiehan: hope that helps mate
[14:09] <MonkeyDust> wiehan  just entered, havent folowed ... if your login screen loops, press ctrl-alt F1 and enter sudo chown -R username:username /home/username
[14:10] <matty_r> MonkeyDust: Yea we tried that mate
[14:10] <MonkeyDust> ok, worked for me
[14:10] <matty_r> MonkeyDust: i've got him going through http://askubuntu.com/questions/223501/ubuntu-gets-stuck-in-a-login-loop
[14:12] <ActionParsnip> matty_r: you can use the bash variable $USER in the command :)
[14:13] <Eldunar> Hello, can u tell me to to change filemanager from thunar to nemo?
[14:14] <ActionParsnip> Eldunar: what is the output of:  cat /etc/issue
[14:14] <Eldunar> Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS \n \l
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> Eldunar  set nemo as default file manager, in the settings
[14:15] <MonkeyDust> in the system settings, that is
[14:16] <matty_r> thanks ActionParsnip.
[14:18] <punkgeek> how to change mysql root passwd in cli?
[14:19] <matty_r> update user set password=PASSWORD("NEWPASSWORD") where User='root';
[14:19] <ActionParsnip> punkgeek: http://www.ubuntugeek.com/reset-the-root-password-on-mysql.html
[14:20] <punkgeek> no i dont need reset, i need change
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> Elephant__  is this useful https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DefaultFileManager#Changing_Your_Default_File_Manager
[14:20] <MonkeyDust> that was for Eldunar ^^^^^
[14:26] <bugtraq> hi
[14:27] <bugtraq> hello
[14:27] <Guyguy> !nomodeset
[14:28] <bugtraq> gufw dosentshow me the listening report
[14:28] <bugtraq> why ?
[14:33] <matty_r> oh god, my server is rebooting cmon don't fail me now
[14:33] <matty_r> I believe
[14:33] <bugtraq> i need help
[14:34] <matty_r> bugtraq: i'm not familiar with gufw sorry mate
[14:36] <bugtraq> who can help me ?
[14:37] <cjnm> @bugtraq with what, I missed the question
[14:38] <bugtraq> gufw dont show me the listening report
[14:39] <ActionParsnip> bugtraq: have you restarted the service?
[14:39] <cjnm> sorry, I am not familiar with gufw
[14:39]  * MonkeyDust installs gufw
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> punkgeek: isnt change and reset the same difference
[14:40] <ActionParsnip> punkgeek: you are setting the password to something else....yes?
[14:40] <Your_Dog> is linux (the kernel) lgpl or gpl?
[14:40] <sls> in #als
[14:40] <matty_r> ActionParsnip: maybe he doesn't know the original password or something?
[14:40] <punkgeek> see i using this passowrd to change mysql pass; echo "mysqladmin -u root -p'$op' password $lp"
[14:40] <sls> hello
[14:40] <punkgeek> but it doesnt work in shell script
[14:41] <bugtraq> this problem came after reinstall the system
[14:41] <MonkeyDust> whoever asked the gufw question: Edit > preferences > listening report
[14:42] <bugtraq> when i do that he dont shw me the rebort
[14:42] <wiehan> matty_r, gdm ftw, that's all.
[14:42] <cjnm> what is 'gufw' btw, just asking
[14:43] <MonkeyDust> cjnm  a gui for ip tables (firewall)
[14:43] <bugtraq> the firewall in linux
[14:43] <bugtraq> i use bugtraq
[14:43] <ActionParsnip> matty_r: thats what that guide gives
[14:43] <cjnm> @MonkeyDust Thank you, I will look into it
[14:43] <matty_r> wiehan: you're up and running again?
[14:44] <amirabbas> i really need help can anyone help?
[14:44] <matty_r> Ask your question mate.
[14:44] <amirabbas> i installed ubuntu from a flashdrive when i booted my computer, i already had windows installed, did ununtu replace my windows???
[14:44] <bugtraq> i reinstall it and did everthing but nothing
[14:45] <wiehan> matty_r, uninstalled lightdm and installed gdm
[14:45] <wiehan> matty_r, now working
[14:45] <MonkeyDust> amirabbas  no, if all went well, you shlould have a menu now, so you can choose between windows or ubuntu
[14:45] <ice9> is there keyboard shortcut to scroll the terminal?
[14:46] <Kaco2> hello
[14:46] <amirabbas> when i turn on my laptop it goes imedietly to ubuntu, to how can switch to windows?
[14:46] <Bombo> hi
[14:46] <matty_r> wiehan: ah yea awesome. Good to hear.
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ice9: SHIFT + PgUP + PgDn
[14:46] <ActionParsnip> ice9: might be CTRL
[14:46] <amirabbas> matty_r i forgot to say ur name, how can i switch to windows? when i turn my laptop on it goes immedietly to ubuntu
[14:46] <punkgeek> no body know?
[14:46] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip  was faster, just found it too
[14:47] <bugtraq> so what i must to do to make him show reports when i press listening report !!
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> punkgeek  know what?
[14:47] <Beldar> amirabbas, Run sudo update-grub in the ubuntu terminal and see if windows shows
[14:47] <Sarawara> Is there someone who can help a desperate user (who is not very skilled in ubuntu matters, and aware that this is not the way to address the forum)
[14:47] <matty_r> amirabbas: you need to update-grub
[14:47] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  ask and wait
[14:47] <Sarawara> ok
[14:47] <ice9> update-rc.d -f mysql remove   on ubuntu doesn't remove the startup scripts for mysql!
[14:47] <punkgeek> i using this command to change mysql password: sudo mysqladmin -u root -p '$old pass' password $new pass   but it doesnt work in shell script what should i do
[14:48] <JamesJRH> Hello. Can some Canonical staff please join #ubuntuone? I've realised that the metadata of my downloaded files is missing!
[14:48] <matty_r> amirabbas: what Beldar said
[14:48] <amirabbas> matty_r Beldar so do i reboot and see if windows shows?
[14:48] <MonkeyDust> punkgeek  maybe the people in #bash know it
[14:48] <cjnm> how do you boot directly to a tty in ubuntu, I am using gdm instead of lightdm, and "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" isn't working
[14:48] <Beldar> amirabbas, Look in the terminal with the command run
[14:48] <amirabbas> guys thanks so much i feel like im going to have a heart attack
[14:48] <Bombo> when i do 'apt-get update' i get 404s 'Fehl http://de.archive.ubuntu.com quantal/main Sources 404  Not Found [IP: 141.30.13.10 80]
[14:49] <amirabbas> Beldar "command run"?
[14:49] <MonkeyDust> Bombo  quantal is !eol, dead
[14:49] <wiehan> matty_r, I also dist-upgraded my system now, now I have  a new version of gnome-shell 3.8.4 I think, but it has this butt-ugly thing at the bottom with all my open windows/apps - looked for a setting in gnome-tweak tool but can't find a way to switch it off
 amirabbas, Run sudo update-grub in the ubuntu terminal and see if windows shows   this is a command in a terminal
[14:49] <xangua> Bombo: you have been running an unsupported ubuntu release for over a year, install either ubuntu 12.04 or 14.04
[14:49] <Bombo> MonkeyDust: hm
[14:50] <Bombo> xangua: will upgrade still work?
[14:50] <xangua> Bombo: clean install would be a lot faster
[14:50] <Sarawara> My problem: my computer does not start up and I have a file on it I desperately need. I get a black screen, but for a fraction of time I see the Dell logo. I have just given it in for repair (same reason and the man replaced lights on the laptop screen) I probably have the lts 12.04 on a inspiron dell laptop
[14:50] <matty_r> amirabbas: http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2011/09/25/how-to-change-boot-order-in-ubuntu-11-04/
[14:50] <pavelic> so, quick question, how do i get ubuntu to not spew a message to compare files when i'm running apt-get update through a non-interactive script?
[14:50] <MonkeyDust> !nomodeset | Sarawara
[14:51] <amirabbas> Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-3.5.0-17-generic
[14:51] <amirabbas> Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-3.5.0-17-generic
[14:51] <amirabbas> Found memtest86+ image: /boot/memtest86+.bin
[14:51] <amirabbas> Beldar it says found Linux image, Found initrd image, and found memtest86+
[14:51] <pavelic> my current case is amazon ec2, 14.04 ami, trying to create a custom image.
[14:51] <Beldar> amirabbas, That is everything?
[14:51] <amirabbas> beldar yea
[14:51] <Sarawara> I'll have a look ubottu/MonkeyDust
[14:51] <somsip> pavelic: use automatic updates?
[14:52] <Beldar> !bootinfo | amirabbas run this app and post the script it makes in a pastebin
[14:52] <cjnm> how do you boot directly to a tty in ubuntu, I am using gdm instead of lightdm, and "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="text" isn't working, someone help please
[14:52] <somsip> !text | cjnm
[14:52] <pavelic> somsip, i'm running this through packer, with a script doing "apt-get -q -y --force-yes upgrade"
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> cjnm  gdm has the option to choose a terminal session, in the login menu (lightdm does not have that)
[14:53] <Beldar> amirabbas, Actually even better in the terminal run sudo parted -l and pastebin the info from it.
[14:53] <arun_> does dualbooting ubuntu over 64 bit WIndows 7 affect the system ?? and is it possible without any errors??
[14:53] <somsip> pavelic: I dunno what packer is. I use unattended upgrades on my EC2 instances
[14:53] <saji0000> hi
[14:53] <Beldar> arun_, Alongside as a dualboot?
[14:53] <MonkeyDust> arun_  "over windows 7"? meaning?
[14:54] <pavelic> somsip, well, this is just initial provisioning in preparation for a ami image that will be further instanced down the line.
[14:54] <cjnm> thanks, visiting the link
[14:54] <amirabbas> Beldar http://pastebin.com/FxWXTUBG
[14:54] <matty_r> uh oh
[14:55] <amirabbas> ubottu
[14:55] <amirabbas> ubottu
[14:55] <amirabbas> ubottu
[14:55] <amirabbas> ubottu it says the command is not found for the applciation
[14:55] <amirabbas> im sorry i dont know why it sent that 4 times
[14:55] <somsip> pavelic: so you start a virgin AMI, then upgrade it, and you want the upgrade script to auto-accept what - existing configs or new ones?
[14:56] <pavelic> somsip, i'm thinking accepting existing configs. my experience with ubuntu on EC2 is very limited at the moment.
[14:56] <arun_> MonkeyDust: I mean Dualboot windows 7 and Ubuntu
[14:56] <MonkeyDust> arun_  what's worrying you?
[14:56] <arun_> in which Windows== 64 bit and Ubuntu == 32 bit
[14:56] <matty_r> amirabbas did you partition the HDD before you installed ubuntu?
[14:56] <pavelic> arun_, that will work.
[14:57] <pavelic> dont know why you'd want 32-bit if you can run 64-bit and have 3GB or more RAM.
[14:57] <ActionParsnip> amirabbas: ubottu is a bot, not a person
[14:57] <amirabbas> matty_r i partitioned it in the instalation of ubuntu
[14:57] <Beldar> amirabbas, I see no windows and partitions way less than than the size of the while HD.
[14:57] <Beldar> whole*
[14:57] <somsip> pavelic: any particular package causing you problems, or you just want to keep all configs just in case?
[14:57] <Sarawara> ubottu if I understand this nomodeset well, it is suggesting to use code to solve the problem, how can I do such a thing when all I hav is a black screen?
[14:57] <amirabbas> Beldar sooo i dont have windows anymore??
[14:57] <pavelic> somsip, keep all configs just in case.
[14:57] <arun_> I haven't tried installing windows 7 64 bit + ubuntu i386 so .....
[14:58] <pavelic> i think that grub getting updated is causing the issue here.
[14:58] <somsip> pavelic: -o Dpkg::Options::="--force-confold"  (but read more to confirm)
[14:58] <pavelic> arun_, ubuntu amd64 would work as well
[14:58] <Beldar> amirabbas, Id don't see if with the command you run, do you have more than one hard drive
[14:58] <pavelic> somsip, thanks :)
[14:58] <somsip> pavelic: that's on your apt-get command
[14:59] <amirabbas> Beldar so what do i do? make a pastebin with the command i ran?
[14:59] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  do you not see the grub menu?
[14:59] <Beldar> amirabbas, err isn't that what you just did?
[14:59] <somsip> pavelic: np
[14:59] <pavelic> somsip, man dpkg for the options i assume? :p
[14:59] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust, nope
[15:00] <somsip> pavelic: that's where I see it
[15:00] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  reboot your pc, i guess esc or ctrl invokes the grub menu
[15:00] <pavelic> thanks, will give it a read before trying.
[15:00] <amirabbas> Beldar i dont know im panicing and i dont understand what your asking. im sorry. I ran the command sudo parted -l and put the results in a pastebin
[15:00] <somsip> pavelic: needs testing on apt-get upgrade as all examples I've seen are for apt-get install
[15:01] <pavelic> somsip, yeah, i'll test it on local vm's first.
[15:01] <Paradisee> how can i watch video hosted on my server ubuntu, on another client ubuntu?
[15:01] <Beldar> amirabbas, Yes thank you, do you have more than one hard drive? If you do not understand the question say so.
[15:01] <arun_> pavelic: yeah but I was talking for i386
[15:01] <pavelic> anyhow, cheers and have a good rest of the day :)
[15:01] <somsip> pavelic: and now, after setting up Ansible playbooks for all of my AMIs, I'm reading up about Packer...
[15:01] <amirabbas> beldar no i dont have more than 1 hard drive
[15:02] <pavelic> arun_, if you have more than 3 GB ram, go 64-bit.
[15:02] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  when you're in the grub menu, hit e, then add the parameter to the appropriat line (note it on a piece of paper, first)
[15:02] <pavelic> somsip, heh :D
[15:02] <pavelic> somsip, i'm doing it via manual shell scripting for the time being. time constraints prevent investing too much time into looking up chef/puppet :(
[15:02] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust I can't get in the grub menu, only beeps when I hit escape (and nothing with control)
[15:02] <Beldar> amirabbas, From that command you put in the pastebin I see no windows, and way less on the hard drive than it will hold
[15:03] <somsip> pavelic: I decided on ansible as a quick conversion from manual scripts, rather than the overcomplicated chef/puppet route too. But OT so enough on that :)
[15:03] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  how are you here?
[15:03] <amirabbas> Beldar so, my windows was removed? it doesnt exist anymore?
[15:03] <pavelic> somsip, i'll investigate then :D
[15:03] <pavelic> somsip, thanks :)
[15:03] <somsip> pavelic: np
[15:04] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust other computer, my laptop only gives me black screen (but it does blink once with the logo of Dell though, just before giving me that black screen)
[15:04] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  hit esc a bit sooner or a bit later in the boot process, until you see the grub menu
[15:04] <arun_> pavelic: ok !!! Thanks a lot
[15:04] <Beldar> amirabbas, It will take more diagnoses to get to a definitive answer, and I have to take of shortly, others here will be better on confirming this, but yes it looks that way.
[15:05] <Beldar> off*
[15:05] <bugtraq> i have a problem in gufw "firewall" because he dont show me the reports when i press listening report
[15:05] <bugtraq> i use ubuntu bugtraq
[15:05] <bugtraq> and this problem came after reinstall it because he was work good before that
[15:05] <amirabbas> beldar if my windows was removed, is there any way to revert it back to the original self and get my files back?
[15:06] <MonkeyDust> amirabbas  did you not make backups?
[15:07] <Beldar> amirabbas, I am uncomfortable in this situation helping, I have to leave soon, and your understanding is at a very basic level and I can't stick with you to an end answer.
[15:07] <amirabbas> monkeyDust no i did ont
[15:07] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust, I have now tried all styles of hitting the esc key (before/after seeing the Dell screen for 1/10th of a second, long, short) nothing :(
[15:07] <amirabbas> beldar thank you for your support
[15:07] <Beldar> no problem
[15:07] <MonkeyDust> amirabbas  file recovery is not really something for beginners like yourself
[15:08] <ActionParsnip> amirabbas: use your backups....you have made backups, right?
[15:08] <daftykins> amirabbas: did you paste the link to the pastebin you made of the output from the command "sudo parted -l" yet?
[15:08] <amirabbas> monkeydust I'm only a beginner in ubuntu. in windows im very experienced, i've studied java, c++ and many other languages, and am fully knowledgable in web design and someone in troubleshooting
[15:09] <amirabbas> daftykins yes i did, http://pastebin.com/FxWXTUBG
[15:09] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  find a way to get to the grub menu, try alt or ctrl
[15:09] <amirabbas> actionparsnip i did not make backups
[15:09] <trijntje> amirabbas: you cant get windows back except by reinstalling, but you might be able to save some of the files. However, you have to shut down the PC right now and rejoin the channel from another pc, every second you keep using your pc you will lose more data
[15:10] <daftykins> amirabbas: so only one hard disk is listed and there's no sign of Windows... did you accidentally install over the top of Windows?
[15:10] <MonkeyDust> amirabbas  if you're that experienced, you should have known how to make backups
[15:10] <Beldar> and what command means
[15:10] <Beldar> might be a language issue
[15:11] <amirabbas> so, theres no window... thats it?
[15:11] <bugtraq> i have a problem in gufw "firewall" because he dont show me the reports when i press listening report
[15:11] <bugtraq> i use ubuntu bugtraq
[15:11] <bugtraq> and this problem came after reinstall it because he was work good before that
[15:12] <amirabbas> WELL everybody thanks for helping, i now know i should take backups, im now going to go and cry. everybody have a nice day
[15:13] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust still trying
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> people love learning the hard way, the value of backups
[15:13] <MonkeyDust> ActionParsnip  cynic
[15:13] <dcplaya> Is there any guide on how to make a live USB that boots, runs a DD command, and then reboots?  I need it to quickly update some devices we have
[15:13] <ActionParsnip> MonkeyDust: very, i have no pity
[15:14] <daftykins> dcplaya: 'update' as in clone from one to another?
[15:14] <daftykins> dcplaya: you ought to look into DBAN for disk wiping or clonezilla for disk cloning / backup
[15:14] <dcplaya> daftykins: technically yes. I have a image already
[15:15] <Bashaw> Всем привет!
[15:16] <dcplaya> daftykins we have multiple controllers that need the newer image. Right now I boot into Ubunut live and run the DD command by hand. Id like to do it all automatically
[15:16] <Bashaw> Есть Русские?
[15:16] <daftykins> !ru | Bashaw
[15:17] <daftykins> dcplaya: make a persistent install and store the script as an automated run-on-boot one, simples.
[15:18] <dcplaya> Thats what my current idea is. Just wanted to see if there was a better way
[15:19] <daftykins> dcplaya: nah, i doubt it. no point trying to reinvent the wheel
[15:20] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust nothing
[15:21] <MonkeyDust> Sarawara  ok, boot a live session on that pc and save your important file, so at least you have that, then seek further assistance
[15:22] <Sarawara> ok i'll try if that works
[15:29] <linuxthefish> grr why is iwlwifi so crap
[15:30] <coventry> What application should I run to configure the network, assuming I don't have a panel or unity running?
[15:30] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: tried modprobing it with the option 11n_disable=1
[15:30] <linuxthefish> how do i do that? :/
[15:30] <linuxthefish> i'm trying to download file, and it's so slow in ubuntu also
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: sudo modprobe -r iwlwifi; sleep 2; sudo modprobe iwlwifi 11n_disable=1
[15:31] <linuxthefish> and when speed goes over 4 MB/s the connection dies and i have to re-connect to wifi :S
[15:31] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: if it makes things better, we can make it stick
[15:31] <linuxthefish> thanks, i will try
[15:35] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: better?
[15:37] <Sarawara> MonkeyDust, live CD does not change the black screen (it's a 10.04 version but I suppose that makes no differce, I have no more recent versions on cd (only still older))
[15:37] <Sarawara> I also found an old CD that said 'super
[15:37] <Sarawara> Grub'
[15:38] <linuxthefish> ActionParsnip no...
[15:38] <linuxthefish> modprobe: FATAL: Module mac80211 is in use.
[15:39] <linuxthefish> irc keeps dropping out every 10 mins also, useless ubuntu...
[15:40] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: ok, we'll do it the easier way:
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: run:     echo "options iwlwifi 11n_disable=1" | sudo tee /etc/modprobe.d/iwlwifi.conf
[15:41] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: reboot to test
[15:41] <Nastynaz> I've just installed ubuntu server 14.04.1 LTS for the first time. I'm currently logged in as root. how do I make another user and log in as them? (basically dont want to use root for stuff)
[15:42] <john_rambo> I am trying to take a screen shot of a drop down menu of my router's web interface but as soon as I press print screen the menu folds back ...Is there a way to do this ?
[15:42] <phunyguy> Nastynaz: during the install it should've asked you to create a user.
[15:42] <eeee> john_rambo: sudo apt-get install shutter
[15:42] <SchrodingersScat> !adduser | Nastynaz
[15:42] <Nastynaz> !sudo
[15:43] <john_rambo> eeee: Trying
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Nastynaz: remember to put the user in the sudo group and you can then use sudo for admin tasks
[15:43] <ActionParsnip> Nastynaz: didnt think root was enabled by default in Ubuntu server.....
[15:44] <Nastynaz> ActionParsnip: when I use sudo as the user, will it prompt me for the root password?
[15:44] <ActionParsnip> Nastynaz: no, sudo uses your user's password
[15:45] <Nastynaz> if I dont have a password set, just ssh, will it prompt me?
[15:45] <linuxthefish> ActionParsnip now it's just stuck on the bit after login screen...
[15:45] <daftykins> Nastynaz: there is no root password.
[15:45] <ehedi> www.ubuntu.com
[15:46] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: ok then press CTRL+ALT+F1 and log in there and delete the file you just made
[15:46] <con7e> Is there any good manual for irssi IRC client?
[15:46] <linuxthefish> yeah, done that and rebooting :/
[15:46] <linuxthefish> i will just take the wifi card out of my old laptop
[15:47] <con7e> can't figure out the official doc
[15:47] <linuxthefish> grr even without the that file it's not logging in properly :/
[15:47] <linuxthefish> con7e ALT + 1-9 to switch windows, and normal commands for everything else
[15:48] <linuxthefish> for example, /server irc.freenode.com, /join #ubuntu
[15:48] <MO_Handes>  there's this /sys/devices/platform/sony-laptop/thermal-control file which I manually write "silent" in it to make my laptop fan silent but after a while it automatically gets changed to "balanced", what is the problem? how can I find out which service, etc is changing the file? how can I prevent it from being changed?
[15:50] <Nastynaz> do ssh keys for all users go in the same place or is each one in each user's home folder?
[15:50] <linuxthefish> each one in user folder Nastynaz
[15:50] <Nastynaz> cheers
[15:51] <ActionParsnip> linuxthefish: can you ping 8.8.8.8 ?
[15:52] <dominik_> hello guys, can u help me with customizing my xfce in ubuntu? I want to hide unmounted ntfs windows partitions from desktop only.
[15:57] <linuxthefish> ActionParsnip yeah
[15:57] <linuxthefish> so i guess something else broke lol
[16:00] <bkhive> I was wondering when control groups came into ubuntu is that only recently in version 14 or did 13 have it I am pretty sure I never saw it in lower versions like 12 ...
[16:01] <nyc-h0st> hi all, having a problem with Kerberos + LDAP, i can obtain krb tickets just fine and my user exists in ldap, however trying to login over ssh fails, logs are visible under; http://pastebin.com/BDCDFS2J
[16:01] <bkhive> mount -t cgroup ...
[16:02] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  what's the package name you're wondering about?
[16:03] <bkhive> cgroup manager (cgmanager) not sure of the package
[16:03] <MonkeyDust> nyc-h0st  LDAP is server technology. is that a server? if yes: better ask in #ubuntu-server
[16:03] <MonkeyDust> !find cgmanager precise
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> !find cgmanager
[16:04] <bkhive> I am thinking libcgroup and lmctfy
[16:04] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  there you have it, it's new
[16:04] <bkhive> precise is version 13 correct
[16:05] <daftykins> bkhive: no, precise is 12.04 LTS
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  no, precise is 12.04
[16:05] <MonkeyDust> don't remember the names of 13.04 and 13.10
[16:05] <daftykins> raring, saucy
[16:05] <bkhive> so does 13 have cgmanager packages or just 14 currently
[16:06] <bkhive> in the repo
[16:06] <daftykins> bkhive: it doesn't matter since they're both EOL anyway
[16:06] <daftykins> their repos are closed
[16:06] <AcidRain2012> hello. i have added SublimeText2 to /usr/include/ how can i make it so i can launch sublime from terminal?
[16:06] <bkhive> not at a 13 machine so cann\t apt-cache for it
[16:06] <AcidRain2012> where i just type something like gksudo sublime
[16:06] <bkhive> or dpkg for it
[16:07] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  the sources for 13.04 and 13.10 are no longer online, it's called !eol
[16:07] <daftykins> AcidRain2012: that's more about the binary being in your PATH
[16:07] <bkhive> no way I am still on 12 and 13 was like a year ago that doesn't give to much support time or TTL
[16:07] <bkhive> sort of speak
[16:07] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  what's the output of   cat /etc/issue
[16:07] <AcidRain2012> daftykins, nautilus is not in my path...
[16:08] <AcidRain2012> oh. PATH is a system var?
[16:08] <bkhive> it is version 10 lucid
[16:09] <linelevel> Hi, I'm having an (intermittent, unfortunately--it happens frequently but I can't reproduce it at will) problem with the latest NVidia drivers for my Lenovo Thinkpad T410 on Ubuntu 14.04. Should I submit a bug report? If so, where to, and what info should I include?
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  paste the output here, so we're sure
[16:09] <bkhive> which is very old but I have used alot 12 as well
[16:09] <daftykins> bkhive: 10.04 server is LTS, as are 12.04 and 14.04
[16:09] <daftykins> although 10.04 dies next April, not much time left
[16:09] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  oh, and 10.04 for the desktop is !eol too
[16:10] <daftykins> linelevel: nvidia drivers are not supported
[16:10] <bkhive> one computer is the developer branch the other is  a non developer 10.4.4 or something Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[16:10] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  10.04 desktop or server?
[16:10] <linelevel> daftykins: I realize they're proprietary and not supported by Canonical... but I figured someone in here could point me in the right direction to help Nvidia fix it.
[16:10] <bkhive> server
[16:11] <daftykins> linelevel: no idea, did you install from repo packages or manual download?
[16:11] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  ok, what was your initial question again? what brings you here?
[16:12] <linelevel> daftykins: Not a manual download, I installed it from the "Additional Drivers" pane in Ubuntu 14.04.
[16:12] <daftykins> packages then
[16:12] <bkhive> just wanted to know when control groups are available I think it is only versions 14 but was wondering if there where available in 13 repo's
[16:12] <bkhive> not a big deal
[16:12] <daftykins> bkhive: like i said 13's repos are closed now, both releases are !eol and unsupported
[16:13] <linelevel> daftykins: The X.org open source drivers that are enabled in Ubuntu 14.04 has it's own problems (that's why I switched to the proprietary driver in the first place). Is that something I should report?
[16:13] <bkhive> but version 10 , 12 are still available why close 13 end of life
[16:13] <bkhive> so soon
[16:13] <lykwydchykyn> Hi; I have a crazy problem on my 12.04 ltsp server
[16:14] <daftykins> linelevel: well when you say laptop, i suspect you have an nvidia optimus setup - where there's the intel on-die graphics and the discrete nvidia chip tacked on the side
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  because 10.04, 12.04 and 14.04 are LTS
[16:14] <lykwydchykyn> Basically, htop shows all 8 cores constantly between 80-100%, but no process is showing high cpu usage.
[16:14] <MonkeyDust> bkhive  13.04 and 13.10 were not LTS
[16:14] <daftykins> bkhive: this is not a place to discuss why, it is simply fact - they are gone.
[16:14] <lykwydchykyn> I posted on UF about it, if you want to see a screenshot: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2237048
[16:14] <linelevel> daftykins: I think you're right but am not sure.
[16:15] <daftykins> linelevel: a simple sharing of the output of "lspci" should confirm, as you'd see intel + nvidia
[16:15] <bkhive> ok gotcha
[16:15] <daftykins> linelevel: in which case, to run this system, you'd be having to use nvidia-prime or bumblebee
[16:15] <ssarah> guys, im working on a custom distro version, and i'm running the scripts that were working for ubuntu 12, now im getting this error when i try to login (i cant, i go back ot the login shell) and dist-upgrade has this error
[16:15] <ssarah> Processing triggers for gconf2 (3.2.6-0ubuntu2) ...
[16:15] <ssarah> (gconftool-2:10165): GConf-WARNING **: Client failed to connect to the D-BUS daemon:
[16:16] <ssarah> any idea why? i know it's a long shot. but i suppose something changed from ubuntu 12 that im not aware of
[16:16] <linelevel> daftykins: https://dpaste.de/NEEA
[16:16] <daftykins> ssarah: we only support Ubuntu, not custom modifications
[16:16] <ssarah> aight, sorry
[16:16] <linelevel> daftykins: So it looks like you're right.
[16:17] <bluegoon> Hi guys, my system locks up.
[16:17] <bluegoon> I think its something to do with my audio.
[16:17] <bluegoon> Audio just loops, and everything locks up.
[16:17] <daftykins> linelevel: i might be being blind but i don't see the intel graphics device
[16:17] <Volis> Hey, quick question. I'm using Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, how do I send files to a phone via bluetooth? I have the boxes ticked in Personal File Sharing Settings dialog.
[16:18] <ssarah> any idea who could help me?
[16:18] <daftykins> linelevel: can you get the model # of your processor from cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[16:18] <bluegoon> Using 14.04, just locks up, have to hard reset every time.
[16:18] <bkhive> is 14 an LTS or not
[16:18] <MonkeyDust> Volis  install blueman (bluetooth manager)
[16:18] <daftykins> ssarah: try #linux
[16:18] <Volis> oh
[16:18] <daftykins> bkhive: 14.04 yes
[16:19] <bluegoon> Is there a way to see whats wrong each time my system crashes?
[16:19] <daftykins> bluegoon: memtest would be a nice start
[16:19] <bluegoon> daftykins, thanks
[16:19] <linelevel> daftykins: http://sprunge.us/bYQZ
[16:19] <Volis> MonkeyDust, Oh alright. And beside that, I see the Personal File Sharing dialog says I don't have required packages to share files on network either, what will those packages be?
[16:20] <MonkeyDust> Volis  not sure, I don't use that
[16:20] <lykwydchykyn> maybe i'll ask on ubuntu-server then..
[16:20] <Volis> Ok.
[16:20] <bluegoon> daftykins, how do I launch memtest?
[16:20] <daftykins> !memtest
[16:21] <linelevel> daftykins: You're right, I don't see the Intel graphics either, I spoke too soon (without reading carefully enough) -- the X.org driver does work, though. The only problem (which is significant enough for me to abandon it) is that the screen never comes back on after a suspend.
[16:21] <daftykins> ugh ubottu you need some work
[16:21] <daftykins> bluegoon: either download it and put it on a flash drive or CD, or hold left shift before boot and navigate the menus to find memtest
[16:21] <bluegoon> ah ok thank you
[16:21] <OerHeks> !memtest86
[16:22] <bluegoon> daftykins, I'm running audio through HDMI (NVIDIA) I think that might be the cause.
[16:23] <linelevel> daftykins: All the drivers available to me have really bad problems, though... the legacy NVidia driver lags whenever I try to resize any window (totally unacceptable), the latest NVidia driver randomly starts displaying all text in mangled/pixelated form (totally unreadable) until I reboot, and the X.org driver can't recover from Suspends (I have to hard-reboot--also unacceptable, since I use Suspend all the time).
[16:24] <linelevel> daftykins: So I'm at a loss as to what to do.
[16:24] <linelevel> daftykins: The legacy driver seemed to work fine on Ubuntu 12.04.
[16:24] <daftykins> linelevel: play with all the versions that are available, there are several. yours having a GT218M is pretty old school so maybe v304 would be better
[16:25] <linelevel> daftykins: By "latest" I'm referring to 331.38, and by "legacy" I'm referring to 304.117.
[16:25] <linelevel> daftykins: So neither of those work for me.
[16:25] <daftykins> oh right
[16:25] <daftykins> well i have no ideas
[16:26] <daftykins> 12.04 is still in support, you could run that for 2 more years :D
[16:26] <linelevel> daftykins: And there's no real difference between the regualr and "-updates" version, is there?
[16:26] <daftykins> i don't know on that one
[16:27] <linelevel> What are the chances that I can file a bug report and that someone will actually fix my problem (either NVidia or the X.org driver)?
[16:27] <bkhive> Ok this maybe a stupid question but using DRBD  I sudo apt-get install drbd8-utils installed it on one computer do I need every computer that is going to be one of the replication computers to have the sudo apt-get install drbd8-utils
[16:28] <bkhive> or basically does the primary main computer just have the drbd8-utils
[16:28] <Nastynaz> my ubuntu server main HDD with everything on failed. I managed to boot in to a rescue OS and mount it. I can copy files over. What is the most important stuff I should be copying (assuming I cant copy everything)?
[16:29] <daftykins> Nastynaz: no idea what your server runs, so can't answer that.
[16:29] <bkhive> I am almost certain since you have to copy the config  file for drbd8 to all the computers etc so how else will you have the drbd service running if not the package on all computer
[16:29] <Nastynaz> daftykins: mainly mysql, apache and some other stuff
[16:29] <bkhive> as well as the commands to admin it on each
[16:29] <daftykins> bkhive: alright, please keep your thinking out loud off the keyboard however, we need to keep this channel free for support questions
[16:30] <linelevel> daftykins: Should I try downloading other driver versions from NVidia's website? They have 337 (short-lived branch) and 340 (long-lived branch) here: calendar.google.com
[16:30] <daftykins> linelevel: you're welcome to try things, but be aware that we cannot support those actions here.
[16:30] <bkhive> To me it looks like all of them have the software and are just messaging each other every so often and if no message is gotten one computer takes over
[16:30] <daftykins> linelevel: if you do go down that route, be sure to remove all nvidia drivers installed from packages beforehand
[16:30] <daftykins> Nastynaz: check how bad the damage is by running "sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda" to start with
[16:31] <linelevel> daftykins: I understand you can't support proprietary 3rd party drivers... but if I mess up and my system won't boot, can I ask here for help restoring it?
[16:31] <SchrodingersScat> bkhive: there is a #drbd channel, and http://www.drbd.org/users-guide/
[16:31] <daftykins> linelevel: yep, but i'd ask you to be aware of the nvidia-uninstall program first.
[16:31] <Nastynaz> daftykins: i have the logs here. top post. Dont really know what tto make of them: http://forum.kimsufi.com/showthread.php?28577-ks212774-kimsufi-com-rebooted-last-night-Extremely-slow
[16:32] <linelevel> daftykins: I will look it up, sure, but why do I need to remove packages that aren't being used before installing the new driver?
[16:32] <daftykins> Nastynaz: oh dear that disk is toast
[16:32] <Nastynaz> what would you recommend I start backing up first?
[16:32] <daftykins> linelevel: lets say a packaged nvidia driver installs file x, if the downloaded nvidia messes with that, the package won't uninstall and you'll leave yourself in a broken state
[16:33] <linelevel> daftykins: One more question: Do you know what the difference between "short-lived" and "long-lived" branches are? Any idea which I should try first?
[16:33] <daftykins> no never heard that
[16:33] <daftykins> Nastynaz: copy the things you want in the order you care about losing them most ;)
[16:33] <linelevel> They're listed here: http://www.nvidia.com/object/unix.html
[16:33] <daftykins> well that has nothing to do with ubuntu imo
[16:33] <linelevel> Maybe it's something like Ubuntu's LTS releases.
[16:33] <Nastynaz> daftykins: how do I copy all my apache settings?
[16:34] <daftykins> Nastynaz: keep the configs from /etc/apache
[16:34] <daftykins> Nastynaz: what kind of site were you running?
[16:34] <void{entity}> What's up
[16:35] <Nastynaz> just a personal one but I have loads of settings ive added and tweaked over the years
[16:35] <Nastynaz> thanks
[16:35] <daftykins> void{entity}: if you have support questions ask them, otherwise this is not a chat channel
[16:35] <basketball> Your profile could not be opened correctly.
[16:35] <basketball> Some features may be unavailable.  Please check that the profile exists and you have permission to read and write its contents.
[16:35] <basketball> when i open chromium
[16:35] <daftykins> Nastynaz: well if it used a db you'd have to backup the db's separate to the webserver document root of /var/www/
[16:35] <daftykins> basketball: made any changes to this system recently?
[16:35] <basketball> no
[16:36] <daftykins> basketball: reset your profile then
[16:37] <stikkemz> hi guys
[16:38] <ActionParsnip> basketball: if you run:  ps -ef | grep chrom | grep -v grep   do you get an output?
[16:39] <mjuszczak> The ruby-god package doesn't seem to have an init script.  Any idea hwy?
[16:39] <basketball> how do i uninstall chromium via terminal ActionParsnip
[16:40] <daftykins> apt-get remove chromium-browser
[16:40] <stikkemz> apt-get purge chromi[tab]
[16:40] <yz3pD> sudo apt-get purge chromi[tab]
[16:40] <yz3pD> or chromium*
[16:41] <basketball> ty daftykins  stikkemz and yz3pD
[16:41] <stikkemz> anytime
[16:43] <stikkemz> i have a nasty video tearing issue that creates latency and it can be noticed when i move windows around (nasty tearing effect on the window edges when you drag it). I`m busting my head with it for 2 days now and broke X over 30 times doing so. Anyone care to help me figure this out?
[16:43] <ActionParsnip> basketball: sudo apt-get --purge remove chromium-browser
[16:44] <daftykins> stikkemz: you need to at least state your hardware + driver
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> basketball: it wont fix your profile though
[16:44] <stikkemz> can I post a link to the ubuntuforums.org thread?
[16:44] <yz3pD> ActionParsnip, --purge remove == purge
[16:44] <jim2> hello i am using ubuntu 14.04 trusty tahr but with gnome 3..anyway is there any way to make the battery indicator show the percent of the battery?ty
[16:44] <ActionParsnip> yz3pD: i'm old skool
[16:44] <stikkemz> it's all detailed there
[16:45] <daftykins> yes
[16:45] <stikkemz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2237215
[16:45] <daftykins> stikkemz: but given the answer to what i said was two words...
[16:45] <ActionParsnip> jim2: http://askubuntu.com/questions/2283/can-i-set-the-power-indicator-to-show-battery-percentage-instead-of-time-remaini
[16:45] <stikkemz> nvidia gt 540m with nvidia-311 driver
[16:45] <yz3pD> ActionParsnip, both are right, only purge is shorter but both are ok :)
[16:45] <daftykins> oh optimus, good luck
[16:46] <jim2> ty
[16:46] <daftykins> stikkemz: tried bumblebee instead? maybe nvidia-prime has that issue
[16:46] <ActionParsnip> jim2: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Power
[16:46] <stikkemz> daftykins not yet, but bumblebee didnt really work for me on 12.10
[16:47] <jim2> i will check that link also ...
[16:47] <daftykins> stikkemz: time to give it a try then if all other paths failed
[16:48] <stikkemz> I was hoping to find a way to get the driver to recognize the displays, maybe create a better xorg.conf
[16:48] <gameface22> Hey.When trying to install Ubuntu 14.04 on my system,I am getting "Error:you need to load the kernel first" on thr GRUB.It has Windows installed.Any solutions?
[16:48] <daftykins> stikkemz: having a xorg.conf in the first place is a bit of a mistake
[16:48] <stikkemz> daftykins, oh?
[16:49] <daftykins> stikkemz: pretty sure you shouldn't be running nvidia-xconfig with an optimus setup
[16:50] <stikkemz> well even if i have a blank xorg.conf file, i still get the tearing
[16:50] <linelevel> daftykins: The X.org open-source Nouveau driver is supported by Ubuntu, though, isn't it?
[16:50] <daftykins> yes
[16:51] <linelevel> daftykins: So where can I report the bug I'm experiencing with that driver (the screen won't turn back on when I wake up from Suspend, I need to reboot)?
[16:51] <linelevel> Otherwise, that seems to be the best driver.
[16:51] <linelevel> But that problem is a deal-breaker.
[16:52] <daftykins> have you at least googled it with your model of laptop yet?
[16:52] <linelevel> Yes, found lots of stuff for previous Ubuntu versions that don't work in 14.04.
[16:52] <daftykins> like?
[16:54] <basketball> in the top bar of chromium why are the suggestion searches so small http://imgur.com/94FcIZu
[16:54] <stikkemz> daftykins, alright then mate.. i`ll go grab bumblebee and return here after that
[16:54] <linelevel> daftykins: e.g. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/1111884
[16:56] <daftykins> stikkemz: you're aware you'll have to remove prime and everything you've done so far?
[16:56] <linelevel> daftykins: and this thread which isn't for my version but came up in the google results and seemed relevant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1978290
[16:56] <stikkemz> i am, no worries :)
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> basketball: is that Lubuntu?
[16:56] <daftykins> linelevel: yeah i'm not trawling through these links to see what they suggest
[16:56] <basketball> no it is ubuntu
[16:56] <ActionParsnip> basketball: lastpass is the awesome!
[16:57] <basketball> how do i fix the search sugbgestions they are so small it hurts my eyes
[16:57] <stikkemz> Q: after i removed nvidia do i need to reboot or can i just restart lightdm?
[16:57] <linelevel> daftykins: Okay, well you asked me for examples... there are a ton of people's suggestions in there, and some don't even apply to 14.04.
[16:57] <ActionParsnip> basketball: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=351271
[16:58] <daftykins> linelevel: yep but i didn't want to have to work for them.
[16:58] <linelevel> daftykins: There's nothing specific to my laptop model and setup, which is why I was asking how I should go about reporting this.
[16:59] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  it is on medium and chnaging it to large doesnt do anything
[16:59] <ActionParsnip> basketball: did you close the browser and reopen it after you made the change?
[17:00] <basketball> ActionParsnip,  no i did not :)
[17:01] <basketball> in calc if i say print page one how can i have it print all of page one including empty cells
[17:01] <ActionParsnip> basketball: is it ok now?
[17:01] <basketball> yes
[17:03] <ActionParsnip> basketball: weird that huh
[17:13] <Nastynaz> I want to backup irssi, where can I find it installed?
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> Nastynaz: the config is in~/.irssi
[17:13] <Nastynaz> cheers
[17:13] <ActionParsnip> Nastynaz: one you reinstall irssi, you can restore that folder and the configs will be how they are now
[17:14] <guest-uXENEW> Ciao a tutti
[17:20] <stikkemz> daftykins, installed bumblebee with primer and nvidia-331 and I have no more tearing, seems to work.
[17:20] <SchrodingersScat> stikkemz: great
[17:20] <stikkemz> cheers mate
[17:20] <daftykins> 'with primer' ?
[17:21] <stikkemz> primus sorry
[17:21] <daftykins> i don't know what you mean
[17:21] <stikkemz> sudo apt-get install bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia primus nvidia-331
[17:22] <stikkemz> then python-appindicator and the bumblebee-ui from the git
[17:24] <stikkemz> primus: client-side GPU offloading for NVIDIA Optimus
[17:27] <MarcGuay> Hi folks.  I have a wireless N router and receiver.  nm-tool reports a 54Mb/s connection.  Any ideas?
[17:27] <MarcGuay> Ubuntu's "connection information" says it's 300Mb/s.
[17:28] <ActionParsnip> MarcGuay: one may be megabits and one be megabytes
[17:29] <MonkeyDust> how fast is wifi?
[17:30] <Strit> up to 150 Mbit/s I think, depending on the standard it uses.
[17:30] <ActionParsnip> !away > cdmsn|awy
[17:54] <raul782> Hi guys, how do I check if a ruby program shutdown because of low memory?
[17:55] <Eldunar> hello i have problem with fusion icon. It do not want to open;/
[17:55] <raul782> Is there a file  in ubuntu that logs this kind of issue?
[17:55] <coventry`> raul782: There are no builtin postmortems like that.  You could run the program again, and track its memory usage.
[17:56] <reisio> Eldunar: what do you even want it for?
[17:56] <coventry`> Oh, maybe the kernel would report it, if it killed the process because its memory was blowing up...
[17:57] <raul782> yeah, that would be great, I'll check that
[17:57] <Eldunar> I need compiz icon for switching window manager
[17:57] <reisio> Eldunar: why not just run the --replace command?
[17:58] <Eldunar> i prefere gui stuff:)
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> Eldunar: press ALT+F2 and run it there, pretty enough?
[18:00] <ActionParsnip> Eldunar: how often do you anticipate doing this?
[18:00] <reisio> Eldunar: k, well perhaps it's not compatible with GNOME 3's idiotic system tray
[18:01] <reisio> plenty of solutions here http://www.google.com/search?q=unity%20compiz%20fusion%20icon
[18:02] <Eldunar> yeah but not working still;/
[18:02] <reisio> uhuh
[18:03] <TheLive1> I have a dead entry on Nautilus under Devices. How do I remove it? It was never mounted, cant be mounted. Nothing infstab about it
[18:03] <reisio> TheLive1: what's it called?
[18:03] <reisio> TheLive1: you dual booting?
[18:03] <TheLive1> funny thing, its the same name as the live USB
[18:04] <TheLive1> Ubuntu-14.04-amd64
[18:04] <dsnyders>  I recently got a TV with a vga input. My machine has two video outputs, but what it is doing is spreading the desktop across both screens.  I want the desktop limited to one screen, and I want to use the other solely for mplayer output.  I was getting all ready to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but there is no such file there.  Any suggestions?
[18:05] <TheLive1> Here's the error when i click it http://pastebin.com/PrBxLjBD
[18:05] <TheLive1> with no option to remove, nor unmount
[18:05] <TheLive1> its just a dead entry
[18:05] <LucidGuy> FUCK .. is it me or is java via firefox shit.  Always have issues with java apps.
[18:06] <reisio> LucidGuy: java is, via anything
[18:06] <reisio> didn't you notice the company that shilled it went out of business?
[18:06] <coventry`> dsnyders: Why do you want to restrict usage of the other screen to mplayer?  It should only fill up one screen when in full-screen mode, anyway.
[18:06] <reisio> and the company that owns it now lets community devs do all the work?
[18:06] <maddawg> hmmm the line "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces tells the interface to start up automatically right?
[18:06] <LucidGuy> I have to use my Windows7 vm with firefox becuase of this java app ... this should not be the case.
[18:07] <reisio> dsnyders: what graphics driver?
[18:07] <maddawg> cuz one of my interfaces doesnt come up at startup
[18:07] <reisio> LucidGuy: it's unlikely you need to use a java app at all, but I'm sure you could use it natively
[18:07] <maddawg> i have to type ifup eth0
[18:07] <coventry`> java is anything but shit, but it's not used in the browser much anymore.
[18:07] <MoPac> Hello. I'm hoping to troubleshoot multitouch support on a new hybrid notebook, and I'm wondering if there's anyone around who might help. I'm running 14.04x64 off a live USB on an HP Envy x360. Touch works, not multitouch or accelerometer
[18:08] <IdleOne> !language
[18:08] <reisio> MoPac: you might try a 14.10 build first, if you have the time
[18:08] <LucidGuy> reisio, how?
[18:08] <reisio> LucidGuy: how what?
[18:09] <MoPac> reisio: I can do that, especially sicne I'm just running off of stick
[18:10] <LucidGuy> Get this stupid popup stating .. Downloading JavaRConsol: 0% .. and sits there.. WWWHHHHYYY wont you download
[18:11] <dsnyders> reisio, I have an NVIDIA GeForce 114, but I am not using the proprietary drivers (as far as I know)
[18:12] <shay_shay> http://hastebin.com/uzuquwihay.txt can I get a second set of eyes on this please?
[18:12] <shay_shay> looks fine for me but i want to be sure :D
[18:12] <raul782> So the if out of memory it should be in the var/log/syslog or kern.log?
[18:14] <dsnyders> coventry`: I want the desktop confined to the monitor on my desktop, and I want to have videos displayed on my TV.  I don't want to mouse over to the TV.
[18:15] <pangaea_> got a quick question, anyone know how to get Linux to discover temp diodes on motherboard and/or a program fitting for fan control?
[18:17] <friend> hai
[18:17] <lykwydchykyn> pangaea_: install lm-sensors and run "sudo sensors-detect"
[18:17] <Shadow}}> Is security.ubuntu down?
[18:18] <friend> hello
[18:20] <pangaea_> ty lykwydhyhkyn,....also what would you recommend for dependencies program for poss broken packages?
[18:20] <Shadow}}> I may of messed the line up, is this correct? "sudo -s > sudo apt-get update -y && apt-get upgrade -y && apt-get distupgrade -y && apt-get autoremove"?
[18:22] <raul782> Hi guys, is there a way to continuously see the processes being executed with a lot detail, something like ps aux and top
[18:22] <julian-delphiki> uhh, top is your best bet raul782
[18:23] <raul782> is there a way to see the arguments of the command?
[18:24] <nbubuntu> Anyone know how which command to switch between GCard PCIEx output display and internal VGA build motherboard output display ?
[18:24] <Shadow}}> Eh seems most the helpers are a tad busy or just plain not here.
[18:24] <Shadow}}> You can do that via Settings menu
[18:25] <barke> network driver help for Lubunto_14.04 on Gateway_Profile_4
[18:27] <AcidRain> i just deleted a file on accident. how do i find it?
[18:27] <AcidRain> i deleted it as root in my /var/www/
[18:27] <nbubuntu>  Settings menu ? how do I do it if there's no just in a terminal stat on bootup ?
[18:28] <bprompt> raul782:     what ubuntu version are y ou on?
[18:28] <dsnyders> raul782, julian-delphiki,  htop is better than top.
[18:28] <julian-delphiki> raul782 "top -c"
[18:28] <raul782> ubuntu 14.04 server
[18:28] <AcidRain> =(
[18:29] <pangaea_> ok so i ran the detect-sensors and it will only grab my ati radeon, no MOBO diodes recognized,
[18:29] <raul782> perfect thanks julian
[18:30] <dsnyders> pangaea_: does your bios recognize them?
[18:30] <shay_shay> http://hastebin.com/uzuquwihay.txt can I get a second set of eyes on this please?
[18:30] <pangaea_> yes,
[18:31] <pangaea_> with fan speeds
[18:31] <nbubuntu> Anyone here knowing how to switch between internal graphic vga out and pciex dvi out ?
[18:32] <pangaea_> is there a program like speed fan for linux?
[18:32] <AcidRain> found it
[18:32] <pangaea_> or CPUID Monitor?
[18:33] <dsnyders> pangaea_: Hmm... did you check on the motherboard manufacturer's website?
[18:34] <crystal77> How do I tell what version of AppArmor I'm running?
[18:34] <pangaea_> yes, i have intel cpu micro installed,
[18:35] <pangaea_> last i checked bios my cpu was at 56c rated for 62c and fan at half it's speed, i'm at idle too
[18:37] <pangaea_> is there an XCHAT channel for Intel mobo issues?
[18:37] <dsnyders> I'm not aware of one, but what I'm not aware of could fill a planet
[18:38] <bekks> pangaea_: #hardware fits most for intel mobo issues.
[18:38] <pangaea_> ty bekks
[18:41] <dsnyders> Hi all! I recently got a TV with a vga input. My machine has two video outputs, but what it is doing is spreading the desktop across both screens.  I want the desktop limited to one screen, and I want to use the other solely for stuff like mplayer output.  I was getting all ready to edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf, but there is no such file there.  Any suggestions?
[18:48] <washuu> @crystal: you're still here?
[18:52] <paranoidi> "renamed network interface eth0 to em1" .. how can I stop that? /etc/udev/rules.d is empty (14.04 LTS)
[18:52] <CodeFormer> how do i find out if my ssh is ok or not? I m using 14.04
[18:52] <Awoken> is freenode having split issues atm?
[18:53] <Awoken> try connecting to it CodeFormer. %#$ ssh root@127.0.0.1
[18:53] <washuu> no splits in the last 30 min
[18:53] <Awoken> thanks
[18:53] <washuu> Normal fluctuation...
[18:53] <Beldar> Awoken, I don't see it I have that info blocked but it does happen and randomly.
[18:53] <CodeFormer> Awoken: thanks
[18:54] <buriedalive> paranoidi: edit file /etc/network/interfaces
[18:54] <paranoidi> buriedalive: how is that related to network interface names?
[18:55] <paranoidi> except that I have to use existing ones?
[18:56] <buriedalive> paranoidi: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[18:56] <madduck> networkmanager on 12.04 LTS seeminigly ignores DHCP lease times and requests a new lease every 20 seconds. How can I stop this???
[18:56] <disappearedng> Hey I have ubuntu installed on aws ec2 at this: http://imgur.com/QF96E6P I installed apache2 and restarted the service. I can't access http://54.191.236.211/ any ideas what might be preventing me from accessing apache from outside?
[18:56] <catalase> is ufw necessary?
[18:56] <CodeFormer> Awoken: I m actually trying to verify : ssh -T git@github.com without any luck! But as u said 'ssh root@127.0.0.1' works :)
[18:57] <TiZ> Hi. I'm trying to set up Xubuntu 14.04 on my work machine. I'm doing a fresh install in place of 13.10 and I'd like to use EFI. But the installer is showing every partition is being bigger than it actually is.
[18:57] <Awoken> you may have issues if you're trying to connect to your local machine with a public address. CodeFormer
[18:58] <buriedalive> madduck: hey, I have too 12.04 lts and I purge network-manager, install wicd
[18:58] <TiZ> This is a problem because I can't even get the EFI partition configured; it's a 256MB partition being reported in the installer as 268MB
[18:58] <Awoken> ohh gothub ;p
[18:58] <Awoken> sorry, im on my phone
[18:58] <madduck> buriedalive: yeah, i am using wicd myself as well, but unfortunately, we are dealing with 500 clients here
[18:58] <madduck> you can imagine the trash on the network
[18:59] <madduck> i cannot just change something and hope it works
[18:59] <madduck> i know it would because NM is shit
[18:59] <paranoidi> buriedalive: yes, I am aware how to configure NICs .. not so much how to stop ubuntu renaming the devices, all resources I can find point to udev
[18:59] <Beldar> madduck, language please.
[19:02] <Beldar> TiZ, This a post install config?
[19:02] <CodeFormer> Awoken: I hv just fresh installed 14.04 on my laptop 6710b. and openssh and git, but can't seem to get verified. I m pretty sure I hv done all by the book i.e., as it says in the github site. but my ubuntu is not connecting out to github .. any idea, why ?
[19:04] <Beldar> CodeFormer, For any help you will be asked to state what you have done, you might include that or a link to the instructions.
[19:04] <Awoken> CodeFormer: sorry, I'm not familiar with how ssh works with github. when I download .git files i use the command %#$ git close https://linktogitfile
[19:05] <Awoken> clone*
[19:07] <CodeFormer> yes u r right Awoken: I used to do that too... now all on a sudden I hv to fall back to the books and libraries fo rit ...lol
[19:07] <CodeFormer> thanks anyway :) Awoken :)
[19:08] <Awoken> np CodeFormer. hope you accomplish what you are trying to do
[19:08] <CodeFormer> nope not yet!
[19:08] <CodeFormer> but trying all helps !
[19:09] <CodeFormer> thanks :)
[19:11] <KacoM> evening
[19:11] <sawyer__> is it absolutely impossible to upgrade from 13.04 to 13.10 (or beyond) without installing fresh from a CD?
[19:11] <Beldar> sawyer__, No.
[19:12] <CodeFormer> thanks :)
[19:12] <sawyer__> because it seems like 13.04 repos are on old-releases.ubuntu.com, and it's impossible to upgrade at this point
[19:12] <sawyer__> Beldar: that sucks :/
[19:12] <Beldar> !eol | sawyer__ dude look at eol upgrades before complaining
[19:12] <Paradisee> how can i remove networks from dolphin?
[19:13] <Beldar> sawyer__, "that sucks :/" Is over used and emotionally charged.
[19:13] <Paradisee> i have a shared folder that i can't remove
[19:13] <jmis_> .
[19:13] <jmis> .
[19:14] <Awoken> Paradisee: sudo rm -r /thedirectory
[19:14] <Awoken> um
[19:15] <Awoken> that might delete the contents though
[19:16] <sawyer__> Beldar: i don't find that document very helpful. the package manager simply says there is no new distribution, that there's no updates to be done. my 'Prompt' is set to normal already...
[19:17] <Beldar> sawyer__, Really well maybe another will explain it to you, I wont.
[19:17] <sawyer__> Beldar: because i said "that sucks"?
[19:18] <daftykins> sawyer__: backup and clean install, moving on...
[19:19] <sawyer__> daftykins: thank you
[19:20] <bkhive> question did zentyal come in on the version 12 or earlier because I don't have it currently in my repo for lucid
[19:20] <Awoken> if you're going to back up sawyer__, after you back up, you could update your repos to include the version of ubuntu yoy want then do an update and upgrade
[19:20] <Awoken> not sure how stable that would be
[19:20] <daftykins> bkhive: probably, Lucid *is* 4
[19:21] <bkhive> basically what is the earliest version of ubuntu that supports this if any restrictions
[19:21] <bkhive> no I have 10.04.4 lts
[19:22] <bkhive> not in standard repo's
[19:23] <bkhive> looks as zentyal is doing the work of many configuration things a package for clamAV, apache, asterick ,...etc
[19:23] <bkhive> I just want to know if I can uses it on this system or do I have to go to 12 or 14 to uses it when I get to it
[19:24] <newbie|2> What's the best "format" to download video from Youtube so that you can make a video CD out of it?  Something that can be read by a DVD reader or a DIVX player?
[19:25] <daftykins> bkhive: do you know the exact package name?
[19:25] <Pici> bkhive: it was called ebox in 10.04.  It is probably ridiculously out of date compared to what is available now though.
[19:25] <bkhive> like a linux small business server so like windows 2003 SBS where it had all the setup for exchange , office ,...etc to make it easier for the configuration
[19:25] <newbie|2> The best format of video... FLV? MP4?  AVI?  etc?
[19:26] <daftykins> !find zentyal precise | bkhive
[19:26] <bkhive> but ebox sort of looks primitive from the docs much more to zentyal ?
[19:26] <Pici> !ebox
[19:26] <daftykins> bkhive: ^ results from precise (12.04)
[19:26] <dfda> I'm trying to get 1404 running on a lenovo t440p. I have installed ubuntu four times now (trying different secure boot settings), even with secure boot disabled it keeps booting windows instead of grub
[19:26] <bkhive> so is ebox the best I can get for old ubuntu if so when did zentyal come out
[19:27] <bkhive> or when was ebox switch to zentyal or become it
[19:27] <newbie|2> voidfire: Any hope to get your help again?
[19:27] <OERIAS>  Ladies and Gentlemen, please stand for the anthem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th-Z6le3bHA
[19:27] <daftykins> OERIAS: this is not the place for your links. don't do it again
[19:28] <sad> Hi
[19:28] <OERIAS> daftykins, you believe in opressing the proletariat?
[19:28] <Beldar> OERIAS, We can rely on you showing up when the meds lay off.
[19:28] <DJones> !offtopic | OERIAS
[19:29] <sad> how can i import fotos from my digital camera to my computer ( Lubuntu 14 ) ?
[19:29] <OERIAS> Beldar I am more sane than you.
[19:29] <bkhive> yes I can get ebox seems though zentyal has alot more packages and  things you can uses it for
[19:29] <Beldar> sad, Is there a usb chord to transfer?
[19:29] <sad> i dont know
[19:30] <eeee> sad: is your digital camera connected to the computer with a cable?
[19:30] <Beldar> sad, YOu might look on the web to find out linux compatibility to start with.
[19:31] <sad> yes , with a cable
[19:31] <newbie|2> Anyone wanna help me find the best format of video from Youtube?
[19:31] <bprompt> sad:     assuming your camera has a SD card or microSD card.. just pull that out and plug it in the SD slot in the computer...it'll be mounted right off
[19:31] <eeee> sad: ok, in the file manager, do you see it next to home, my computer, etc. ?
[19:31] <sad> no
[19:31] <bprompt> sad:   other than that.... likely your camera has a usb port to connect a male-usb cable plug to it.... so use that
[19:32] <quadHelix> I tried to set up postfix MTA.  I clobbered my hostname.  I now have a 10 second wait time before pages load via apache.  Does anybody know how to repair this?
[19:32] <bprompt> newbie|2:   best for what again?
[19:32] <Beldar> sad, Note we use  you nick to address you, please do this and use full sentences in answering.
[19:32] <Beldar> your*
[19:32] <eeee> sad: try sudo apt-get install gthumb
[19:33] <sad> OK
[19:33] <Beldar> lol
[19:33] <newbie|2> bprompt: I want to make a video dvd with some videos that I want to download from Youtube
[19:33] <sad> thanks
[19:33] <bprompt> newbie|2:    I think for the highest resolution youtube uses .webm or/and .mp4
[19:34] <newbie|2> bprompt: Does that transfer easily to video DVD with Brasero or K3b, unless there is a better free program
[19:34] <eeee> sad: when you connect the camera to the computer you should get a pop-up window asking what to do, select import with gThumb, btw make sure the camera is turned on.
[19:34] <newbie|2> bprompt: and is FLV good or bad?
[19:34] <quadHelix> Additionally, I can no longer ping web servers.  I have verified resolv.conf
[19:34] <bprompt> newbie|2:   these days... I'd expect any dvd player to play .mp4 or .avi file maybe even .vob ones right off
[19:35] <sad> i 'll try it
[19:35] <bprompt> newbie|2:    flv is good.... but I don't think youtube has it for highest resolution, used to, then they changed to .webm
[19:35] <newbie|2> bprompt: I can't find the option vob from youtube
[19:36] <Loshki> newbie|2: by best, do you mean unencumbered, best compression, best compatibility, ease of use, what?
[19:36] <bprompt> newbie|2:   there isn't any, is either .webm, mp4, .flv pretty much
[19:37] <newbie|2> bprompt: I downloaded MP4 files, but can't get them into a Video DVD and, when I burn it on a data dvd, it doesn't play on my dvd plrayer
[19:37] <daftykins> quadHelix: what version of ubuntu?
[19:38] <quadHelix> Daftykins, apologies, 12.04LTS Server
[19:39] <voidfire> newbie|2: hey
[19:39] <Pici> newbie|2: Have you tried using devede?
[19:39] <daftykins> quadHelix: you may want to read this for diagnosing your delays - https://www.stgraber.org/2012/02/24/dns-in-ubuntu-12-04/
[19:39] <newbie|2> Pici: Yes, but no better
[19:39] <newbie|2> voidfire: Hi
[19:39] <quadHelix> daftykins, ty i have not read that one yet.
[19:40] <bprompt> newbie|2:     how about if you just use the mp4 file itself... I assume your player is not 15years old.... so it'd play many video formats right off... as far as converting to .vob.... I think you'd need to use... an app to make a dvd video structure with tables and .ifo and .vobs for it
[19:40] <casi> ciao
[19:40] <casi> !list
[19:40] <newbie|2> voidfire: I appreciate what you have done, but I would be happier if you recovered the 352GB partition
[19:40] <voidfire> hmm we will have to try
[19:40] <voidfire> I dont have too much time
[19:40] <newbie|2> bprompt: Such as ... ?
[19:41] <newbie|2> voidfire: because it's the 352GB partition that I can't access, not the 1.7TB one
[19:41] <sad> Thank you very mutch ! It was succesful with gthumb.
[19:41] <eeee> sad: you're welcome
[19:41] <voidfire> okay newbie|2  we will have to change the tunnel
[19:41] <voidfire> and if its recoverable ill get it sorted now or in the week
[19:42] <newbie|2> voidfire: If you are busy, no problem
[19:42] <sad> : )
[19:42] <voidfire> lets take it private
[19:42] <voidfire> :)
[19:42] <newbie|2> voidfire: One thing I noticed ... during boot, I see a message that sayd that something with UUID ...... is unavailable or not there
[19:43] <daftykins> you really shouldn't do that when giving help.
[19:43] <red_cell> voidfire gets naked
[19:43] <daftykins> red_cell: keep those comments to yourself please
[19:43] <voidfire> red_cell: shud up :3
[19:43] <red_cell> same for you
[19:44] <red_cell> daftykins
[19:44] <samthewildone> A generic random question...
[19:44]  * daftykins waits for it
[19:44] <samthewildone> why does ubuntu freeze my computer .... randomly
[19:44] <bprompt> newbie|2: http://news.softpedia.com/images/news2/DVDStyler-Review-2.jpg   maybe
[19:44] <red_cell> rule 49
[19:44] <samthewildone> 64 bit
[19:45] <Beldar> !swap | samthewildone
[19:45] <daftykins> samthewildone: chances are it's not the OS at fault.
[19:45] <red_cell> all users on the net are naked newbie
[19:45] <eeee> samthewildone: you could start with /var/log/syslog for clues
[19:45] <samthewildone> Currently I'm running windows 64 bit and it works like a charm but, when I install Ubuntu 14.04 the system freezes like a radical.
[19:45] <daftykins> red_cell: no more thank you, take your off topic chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[19:45] <red_cell> same for you
[19:45] <samthewildone> I've got more ram than the common man.... so that cannot be it.
[19:45] <red_cell> daftykins
[19:46] <Beldar> samthewildone, Might it be swapping?
[19:46] <red_cell> ignore daffy
[19:46] <samthewildone> Another problem is the graphics
[19:46] <samthewildone> I noticed that ubuntu is considerably slow... Im mean like a snail when it comes to performace
[19:47] <daftykins> samthewildone: please explain on a single line the issues you're experiencing, we don't want to see a whole speech punctuated by new lines
[19:47] <samthewildone> if ( ubuntu == problems ) {cout ... :D
[19:47]  * Beldar continues the  novel as the ignore fills
[19:48] <daftykins> samthewildone: we do not entertain time wasting here.
[19:48] <samthewildone> daftykins, okay let me write an essay
[19:48] <bprompt> hmmm sounds more like a gripe rather than an actual concern
[19:48] <daftykins> samthewildone: perhaps it's better off on askubuntu.com
[19:48] <quadHelix> daftykins: did you have other tricks up your sleeve?  That article is on par with the others that I have read, the self-induced lag continues :(
[19:49] <samthewildone> my problem is when I try to fix these problems myself through the power of the world wide web, I incur more problems and ultimately breaking the system.
[19:49] <Pici> samthewildone: Are you actually looking to get help here, or are you just complaining? We can only provide support for the former.
[19:49] <daftykins> quadHelix: so you've disabled resolvconf and restored things to hardcoded DNS servers specified in resolv.conf but you get delays? even with command line utils like "nslookup x" ?
[19:49] <samthewildone> both
[19:49] <samthewildone> Pici, mostly get some help though.
[19:49] <washuu> I'd say different Ubuntu versions clash with individual tastes and ...
[19:49] <samthewildone> Pici, the world has enough complainers (me being one of them)
[19:50] <daftykins> washuu: who are you actually talking to? i see no conversation
[19:50] <Paradisee> does anyone know how to share a folder within my home lan?
[19:50] <samthewildone> Okay this is what I'm going to do to make it fair. I'm going to do a clean install of Ubuntu 14.04 with everything up2date.
[19:50] <washuu> Sorry. I forgot to add "If I may add". My bad
[19:51] <samthewildone> I'll come back when all the problems present themselves, I hope you guys are willing to help.
[19:51]  * samthewildone grins while he leaves 
[19:51] <bprompt> hehe
[19:51] <streulma> yeah :)
[19:52] <streulma> Ubuntu on this Macbook with second HDD works better then OSX mounted home partition on second HDD !
[19:52] <marielle> hello world
[19:54] <streulma> I have a Macbook Pro, does one know this problem on some Macbooks? http://download.mijnadmin.be/adapter.mp4
[19:54] <daftykins> streulma: i assume from that blurry video you're suggesting the magsafe LED is blinking and not charging properly?
[19:56] <Minus80> a broken cable might cause that problem
[19:56] <daftykins> Paradisee: what OSs run on the other computers?
[19:58] <Paradisee> daftykins: all run ubuntu
[19:58] <daftykins> Paradisee: samba would be fine
[19:58] <Paradisee> daftykins: except 1, there's a version of debian based for raspberry pi
[19:58] <Trudko> guys I am using Screenlets for google calendar and I am not sure if its save to provide my login info to my gmail / gcalendar account with third party
[19:58] <Paradisee> daftykins: i tried to share a folder, but it doesn't work correcly
[19:59] <daftykins> Paradisee: yeah i wouldn't try the graphical route
[19:59] <Paradisee> can't even change options, that make me sad
[19:59] <daftykins> Paradisee: i would manually configure a folder to share from /etc/samba/smb.conf
[20:00] <Paradisee> that's a good suggest
[20:01] <paranoidi> sigh, headaches .. samba was working yesterday -> rebooted .. some samba related [FAIL] messages quickly went over, filesystem probably not mounted as I was moving discs. But now I can not bring samba up no matter what I try. No logs or anything anywhere?!
[20:02] <khuss> i created a local deb repository but apt-get update giving an error - W: Failed to fetch file:/var/www/html/dists/boston/main/binary-i386/Packages  File not found
[20:02] <khuss> i've creed the Packages.gz file but there is Packages file. Can anybody help me with debugging this problem
[20:02] <Beldar> khuss, created where and how?
[20:03] <khuss> Beldar: on my local machine
[20:03] <streulma> hello daftykins: all is working good! I was just thought that it was not correct behavior.
[20:03] <khuss> Beldar: I used the doc from here https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html#s-dpkg-scanpackages
[20:04] <daftykins> streulma: if it's normal under OS X, can't really comment.
[20:04] <khuss> Beldar: i did the dpkg-scanpackages binary-amd64 file | gzip > binary-amd64/Packages.gz
[20:04] <Beldar> khuss, no idea here.
[20:04] <khuss> Beldar:  any idea which irc channel would be of use
[20:05] <Beldar> not really
[20:06] <SlaS> heyo
[20:07] <bkhive> ebox or zentyal seem to do all the hardwork you had to do with individual services like squid , samba ,...looks cool not to test out
[20:07] <Trudko> Guys  are screenlets secure?
[20:07] <Beldar> Trudko, In what way?
[20:08] <Beldar> where are you getting them?
[20:09] <Trudko> app center
[20:09] <Trudko> well there is google calendar widget to which I am providing my Google Calendar name and password
[20:09] <Beldar> Trudko, should be secure, why would you ask?
[20:09] <Trudko> because I am providing my gmail name and password
[20:10] <Beldar> Trudko, Note I use your nick to address you. A secure password is the issue really.
[20:11] <Clickbuzz> Hi, I was wondering if there was a way to create a floppy image that has data from a binary file on it via command line.
[20:12] <Trudko> Beldar: well I can have the most secure password in the world but if third party app will store it whats the point
[20:12] <gustvao> mattupstate: hey, I am the front end developer that works with ubbersmith. He told me you guys were talking about the flask-csrf-angular issue that we have been facing. He told me that you managed to make it work with angular in your machine... I created a plunkr that shows my angular code (that is not working).. Would you mind taking a look at it?
[20:13] <Beldar> Trudko, Than you have answered your own question if that is the issue.
[20:13] <bprompt> Clickbuzz:     you mean you want to burn a binary file floppy image to a floppy disk?
[20:13] <Trudko> Beldar: well I would hope that there is some check for apps in ubuntu store
[20:14] <Beldar> Trudko, Nah ubuntu just allows anything in it's repos with no confirmations. ;)
[20:14] <Clickbuzz> bprompt yeah. but I dont actually have a floppy drive, was wondering if I do something like burn to an image of a floppy disk
[20:15] <julian-delphiki> gustvao this is an ubuntu support channel... not sure if this is the channel you're meaning to be in
[20:15] <reborn> anyone who have a Intel Celeron G1840 Processor using ubuntu?
[20:16] <bprompt> Clickbuzz:    you just want to access its files right?
[20:16] <Clickbuzz> bpromt trying to write my bootloader binary to t
[20:16] <Clickbuzz> bprompt trying to write my bootloader binary to it
[20:16] <Trudko> Beldar: well if it doesn't that I can trust the apps there?(at least they try to be secure)
[20:17] <gustvao> julian-delphiki, tks, i definetly used the worng chat
[20:17] <Beldar> Trudko, You are in paranoia land, any answer here will be subjective at best, talk to the designer.
[20:18] <bprompt> Clickbuzz:     .... did you say you have the floppy image binary file? and you want to burn it to.... what medium?
[20:18] <svetlana> There is Ubuntu 'Store'? Thought it's Ubuntu Repositories
[20:18] <daftykins> reborn: ask the next question as if someone had said 'yes, me!'
[20:18] <DJones> Trudko: The benefit of open source is that you or anybody can download the source code and check whats happening
[20:18] <Trudko> Beldar: well not really you can compare google play to Apples market. With apple you know they try their best to check what apps are there with Google Play you can't be sure what you are installing
[20:19] <daftykins> svetlana: do you even run ubuntu...
[20:19] <TiZ> Okay, so I tried to install Xubuntu 14.04 onto my workstation. I expected this to go smoothly since it went so smoothly on my laptop and 13.10 was working just fine just this morning. I opted for legacy boot insteaad of UEFI because it kind of seems like UEFI is flaky and bad on Dell Optiplexes. Anyways, I complete the installation, and grub is telling me that the disk that it installed onto never appeared. It was showing up just fine from the live USB env
[20:19] <TiZ> ironment! What's going on here?
[20:19] <svetlana> daftykins, Yes, for 4 years
[20:19] <daftykins> svetlana: looks like you need to explore a bit more ;)
[20:19] <Trudko> DJones: sure
[20:19] <Beldar> Trudko, THat is not ubuntu support but an opinion we are done.
[20:19] <reborn> ok
[20:20] <daftykins> TiZ: what was the actual error message?
[20:20] <Trudko> well that was great talk really
[20:20] <daftykins> TiZ: can you boot the system to a live environment to run some commands?
[20:20] <svetlana> Tiz, What exact error?
[20:20] <Clickbuzz> bprompt I have 1 file bootloader.bin, and a floppy image file called floppy.img. I want floppy.img to contain bootloader.bin
[20:20] <svetlana> daftykins, I have a feeling that these two concepts are /different/
[20:21] <TiZ> The error message was that /dev/disk/by-uuid/etcetcetc never appeared, and dropped me to a busybox shell. Not only that... but that shell was completely unresponsive to keyboard input even though I had literally JUST used the keyboard to get through the grub menu!
[20:21] <TiZ> Rather, the wording was, "gave up on waiting for /dev/disk/by-uuid/etcetcetc"
[20:22] <daftykins> svetlana: 'concepts' ? you're going to have to communicate in a non-vague manner
[20:22] <Beldar> Clickbuzz, is the os encrypted?
[20:22] <TiZ> "Gave up waiting for root device ... /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist." That is the exact wording, as I am looking at it right now.
[20:22] <Clickbuzz> Beldar nope. just a bootloader that hangs in an infinite loop
[20:23] <TiZ> And it still totally ignores keyboard input.
[20:23] <Beldar> Clickbuzz, and you are doing this to fix that?
[20:23] <Beldar> what is the end goal Clickbuzz
[20:23] <TJ-> TiZ:  how did this come about? Following a releae-upgrade, a general package-upgrade, changes to configuration, recent crash?
[20:24] <Clickbuzz> Beldar actually Im trying to make an image of a floppy disk that contains a bootloader, to load into a daemontools drive on a windows host, to boot a virtualbox guest from.
[20:24] <daftykins> TiZ: so you can't type in the live session?
[20:24] <Clickbuzz> Beldar without having an actual floppy disk
[20:24] <daftykins> Clickbuzz: what's said floppy? i'd bet whoever would provide floppy images.
[20:24] <TiZ> TJ- I have three partitions: /, /home, and swap. I formatted / and installed 14.04.1 in the fresh /.
[20:25] <TiZ> daftykins: I don't think that's the right word. When you say "live session", that makes me think of the USB session. The USB live session works perfectly fine. It's actually booting the installed system that doesn't.
[20:25] <Clickbuzz> Beldar but Im not familiar with linux, so I dont know if i should use some fancey dd command or something
[20:25] <Beldar> me neither
[20:25] <daftykins> TiZ: yes and that's what i want you to boot, so we can run some commands.
[20:26] <TiZ> The USB? Okay, sure.
[20:26] <TiZ> If you mean my installed system, it's not responding to keyboard input whatsoever.
[20:26] <svetlana> daftykins, :P :)
[20:26] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, are you able to access the GRUB boot menu? if so, you can check the state of things by adding to the kernel command line "break=mountroot" which will drop to the shell *before* the initial ramdisk code tries to find the root file-system
[20:27] <TiZ> TJ- I like that idea better. Let's do that first.
[20:27] <TiZ> And yes, I can get to the GRUB boot menu. I can even navigate it with my keyboard
[20:28] <daftykins> TJ-: TiZ i'd have compared UUIDs to /etc/fstab - but since TJ-'s jumped on this one mid way, he can deal with you now.
[20:28] <Clickbuzz> Found the solution. woot! http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1952896
[20:28] <TiZ> daftykins: I already checked that and it checks out.
[20:28] <daftykins> fair enough.
[20:28] <TiZ> TJ- The shell is still completely unresponsive to keyboard input.
[20:29] <Beldar> Clickbuzz, Yours a class project as well?
[20:29] <TJ-> TiZ: Do you have a USB keyboard?
[20:29] <daftykins> TJ-: just a heads up it's pretty frustrating when you start replying to in-process queries from a screen or two ago of scrollback.
[20:29] <Clickbuzz> Beldar personal interest project
[20:29] <TiZ> TJ- Yes.
[20:30] <TJ-> TiZ: I've seen this happen when the BIOS/Firmware's "Legacy USB" support is not enabled
[20:30] <TJ-> TiZ: What happens is, BIOS provides keyboard handling until the boot-loader loads the OS, then the keyboard won't function until the OS loads the keyboard drivers
[20:30] <TJ-> TiZ: which often needs it to load drivers from the root file-system... which currently it doesn't have due to the error
[20:31] <TJ-> TiZ: So, first, I'd recommend checking in the BIOS settings for the options that enable USB support after boot, usually referred to as Legacy USB support or similar
[20:32] <TJ-> TiZ: 2nd, I'd do a quick boot with "break=mountroot" to check on why the system has got so badly broken, then I'd boot the Live ISO and use that as daftykins says, to check the boot device references for both GRUB and in /etc/fstab
[20:33] <TiZ> TJ- Sorry for the delayed response, had to take a work call. This is my work computer, an Optiplex 790. The most confounding thing is that my personal computer, an Asus G46VW powered through all of this like a champ. So I'll check the bios settings for legacy USB.
[20:33] <bprompt> Clickbuzz:    ... I'm thinking you could just mount the .img file to a mount point folder... and you  may just be able to "dd" write to it... ... but I'm unsure it'd give you a bootsector area to write it to
[20:33] <TJ-> TiZ: OK ... ping me when you've caught up :)
[20:34] <TJ-> daftykins: Sorry about that, I didn't realise there had been an ongoing conversation when I /joined, it looked like TiZ was just started explaining the issue
[20:34] <Beldar> easy mistakes happens all the time
[20:34] <daftykins> *nod* no worries :)
[20:35] <TiZ> TJ- I know the device references already match; I checked that. I'm not seeing anything for Legacy USB support in my BIOS
[20:35] <TiZ> Granted, it's infuriating to try and navigate it because the mouse keeps jupming around.
[20:35] <TJ-> TiZ: For reference, in the initrd.img there are several places where you can have the script stop. They call the "maybe_break" function with one of "top, modules, premount, mount, mountroot, bottom, init" in that order. So, to break in earlier, choose a tag that occurs earlier in the list e.g. "break=premount" might be more help here
[20:36] <TJ-> TiZ: Let me check on that model's manual, it may have a weird name :)
[20:36] <x42> btw is there a way to change the default password hd encryption to a keyfile based system?
[20:37] <TiZ> TJ- I really appreciate your help. Now, I have an idea. When I started the installation, I had the installer get proprietary software. Is it unheard of for the installation of this software to completely screw up the boot process?
[20:38] <TJ-> TiZ:  no... your description suggests to me that some kernel modules aren't in the initrd.img - such as, e.g., lvm, if your system is using LVM
[20:39] <TJ-> TiZ: The setting in BIOS is "USB Emulation" in the Maintenance section, according to the technical guide
[20:39] <TJ-> TiZ: (page 42 of the tech guide)
[20:40] <TiZ> TJ- There is no USB Emulation subsection or option in any of the other subsections.
[20:40] <TiZ> Just Service Tag, Asset Tag, and SERR Messages
[20:40] <TJ-> TiZ: does this manual look like your system? http://www.dell.com/downloads/global/products/optix/en/optiplex-790-tech-guide.pdf
[20:41] <TiZ> That is my computer.
[20:41] <TJ-> TiZ: check out page 42 in particular and the other BIOS settings to see if they match what you see
[20:41] <TJ-> TiZ: That page doesn't give a title to the section containing "USB Emulation" so I gave the title of the previous one, maybe the settings are somewhere else?
[20:41] <serversides> sup guys, what dir is recommended for ubuntu 14.04 server when serving websites?
[20:42] <TiZ> TJ- Yeah, I have all of those options except for that blank header there... what even is that?
[20:42] <TJ-> serversides: It depends on whether you want to serve multiple vhosts, or one. For one, the default "/var/www/" is the expected directory.
[20:43] <TJ-> TiZ: no idea... do you see any of those other options anywhere? They look like boot-menu type options
[20:43] <TiZ> Actually, some of those I don't have. I don't have the USB Controller or Diskette Drive submenus.
[20:43] <serversides> TJ-: yep multiple vhosts.  I used to use /srv/www or /var/www but now my hosts guide uses the home dir as an example, but it sounds crazy to do that because of my private data there.
[20:45] <TJ-> serversides: for multiple vhosts I have one user account per domain, and serve each out of "/home/$USER/public_html" which is pretty common and supported configuration by apache for many years
[20:46] <TiZ> I guess what I'll do next is download the CD from inside the live USB and burn it, and see if somehow that makes any difference.
[20:46] <TiZ> I am literally just butt-pulling now
[20:46] <TJ-> serversides: That ties into the mod_user style, but instead of loading mod_user, just define each vhost with the correct path and possibly also UID/GID if using external (F)CGI / PHP
[20:47] <TJ-> TiZ: If you have the Live ISO, simply boot it and then you can mount the broken system using a chroot to explore and fix it easily
[20:47] <serversides> TJ-:  Will try that, thanks :)
[20:47] <TiZ> TJ- I do have the live USB up and running right now, perfectly working.
[20:47] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, lets fix it then :)
[20:47] <TiZ> TJ- I'm not sure what to look for on the broken system, though. I've already checked that the UUIDs match.
[20:48] <TJ-> TiZ: have you created a chroot mount-point so you can explore the broken system?
[20:48] <TiZ> TJ- working on it right now.
[20:48] <TiZ> mount-bind /dev /sys, /proc, and... anything else?
[20:49] <TJ-> TiZ: OK... I have a script to automate creation of the chroot if it helps: https://iam.tj/projects/misc/chroot-auto.bash
[20:49] <TJ-> TiZ: /dev/pts
[20:50] <TJ-> TiZ:  and "mount --bind /etc/resolv.conf /$CHROOT/run/resolvconf/resolv.conf"
[20:50] <TiZ> TJ- Wouldn't that already be in /dev, though?
[20:50] <TJ-> TiZ: that last will ensure the chroot has name resolution
[20:51] <TiZ> I did mount --bind for all of them
[20:51] <TJ-> TiZ: No, devpts is a separate file-system. If you use "mount --rbind  /dev /$CHROOT/dev" it will, but not with "--bind"
[20:51] <TiZ> Oh, okay. In that case I'll just rbind instead!
[20:52] <TiZ> And I'm chrooted in. I'm ready to get to the bottom of this whenever you are, TJ-.
[20:52] <TJ-> TiZ: That's great... check it has the pastebin utility "which pastebinit"
[20:53] <TiZ> TJ-, yup.
[20:53] <TJ-> TiZ: and check you can use DNS: "ping -c 2 www.ubuntu.com"
[20:53] <TiZ> TJ- all good.
[20:53] <TJ-> TiZ: OK: "cat /etc/fstab /boot/grub/grub.cfg | pastebinit"
[20:55] <TiZ> TJ- You're probably going to be a bit irked by what you see here, but: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917700/
[20:55] <TiZ> TJ- The labels you see in fstab, I did that *after* my first failed boot attempt to try and fix it; it didn't take. To give you peace of mind regarding the block ids...
[20:56] <TJ-> TiZ: "sudo blkid | pastebinit"
[20:56] <TJ-> TiZ: Labels are good, much easier to understand than UUIDs!
[20:56] <TiZ> TJ-: Exactly what I was about to do! :D http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917715/
[20:56] <TJ-> TiZ: I'll just pair up the labels and UUIDs
[20:57] <TJ-> TiZ: so this is an EFI boot?
[20:57] <TiZ> TJ- It's legacy, actually. I *tried* to make it an EFI boot, but it just hung whenever I did.
[20:57] <TiZ> Like, it wouldn't boot, and I couldn't even see why. Just blackness.
[20:58] <TJ-> TiZ: The 790 is UEFI is it? The manual makes it look like BIOS
[20:58] <TiZ> TJ- It claims to have UEFI support. However, it does not seem to be very good. :P
[20:58] <TJ-> TiZ: "dpkg -l 'grub*' | pastebinit"
[20:59] <TiZ> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917740
[20:59] <TiZ> Anyways, I left the EFI partition there and just left it unused, under the presumption that it probably wouldn't hurt anything. If it being around is problematic, I could always just change it into an ext2 /boot.
[20:59] <TiZ> I don't feel like shifting around my partitions more.
[21:00]  * samthewildone walks back into the room
[21:00] <samthewildone> :|
[21:00] <TJ-> TiZ: "lsblk -t | pastebinit"
[21:01] <TiZ> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917751
[21:01] <TJ-> TiZ: I can't imagine an unused partition getting in the way, but on the other hand if it has a partial EFI loader in which firmware is using :)
[21:02] <CapriKornus> Hello, I have 12.04 installed on my laptop and I want to upgrade to 14.04.1, but it's not showing in the upgrade window. Any help please?
[21:02] <TJ-> TiZ: can you do the "lsblk" from within the chroot? That looks like it came from outside
[21:02] <TiZ> TJ-: I did it from inside the chroot.
[21:03] <daftykins> CapriKornus: run "do-release-upgrade -p" in a terminal
[21:03] <TJ-> TiZ: surprising, try it without the "-t" please... we should see some mount points too
[21:03] <CapriKornus> ok, I will do that, thank you
[21:04] <TiZ> TJ-: It shows the mountpoints on this one: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917776
[21:06] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, nothing obvious so far, so lets recap: GRUB works fine, finds the kernel and intird, loads them. Kernel is passed the reference to the root file-system using "root=UUID=36cae92c...." which maps to LABEL="Xubuntu"
[21:06] <TJ-> TiZ: The root file-system is ext4 in /dev/sda2
[21:07] <TiZ> TJ- But is it even getting far enough to where it cares about what's in fstab?
[21:07] <slowday> i am having the most difficult time creating a bootable windows 8 USB from within Ubuntu. i need this so i can fix my desktop. i have followed about 5 tutorials online, 2 or so videos on youtube, and search the arch/ubuntu forums and found no working instructions. i have tried the MS-SYS and uefi methods but can get nothing to work.
[21:07] <TJ-> TiZ: Indeed: "Gave up waiting for root device ... /dev/disk/by-uuid/... does not exist."
[21:08] <TJ-> TiZ: I assume that "..." was 36cae92c....
[21:08] <TiZ> Yeah. I just didn't feel like typing all of that.
[21:08] <TJ-> TiZ: I know the feeling :)
[21:08] <TiZ> And even more disconcerting, the keyboard was doing nothing inside of ash
[21:09] <TJ-> TiZ: so, lets think about how the /dev/disk/by-uuid/ directory is populated. It as udev that creates those symlinks
[21:09] <TJ-> s/as/is/
[21:09] <TiZ> Right. And I guess busybox has the means to check them?
[21:10] <TJ-> TiZ: so, we can theorise that if udev doesn't create the sym-link /dev/disk/by-uuid/36cae92c.... then the /init shell script will never see the root file-system, and you'll see that error
[21:10] <TiZ> TJ- Sounds logical to me.
[21:10] <TJ-> TiZ: So, let's check udev is installed *inside* the initrd.img itself
[21:10] <TiZ> Or if that symlink points to nowhere.
[21:10] <TJ-> TiZ: all in the chroot: "mkdir /tmp/initrd && cd /tmp/initrd"
[21:11] <TiZ> ok
[21:11] <TJ-> TiZ: now, check which is the latest installed kernel version "ls /boot/initrd.img*" and note the exact name
[21:12] <CapriKornus> daftykins, thank you for your help. also can I continue to use my laptop while the package downloads for the upgrade takes place in terminal or will it be locked?
[21:12] <TJ-> TiZ: then do "zcat /boot/initrd.img-<version> | cpio -id"
[21:12] <TiZ> /boot/initrd.img-3.13.0-32.generic
[21:12] <TiZ> Kay, done.
[21:13] <unsx> I'm running ubuntu in a vm, but my terminal is super laggy - everything else is fine. Possible to fix this?
[21:13] <TJ-> TiZ: now, in "/tmp/initrd/" you have the complete uncompressed contents of the initial ramdisk that is having the problem
[21:13] <TiZ> TJ-: Right.
[21:13] <TJ-> TiZ: When the initrd is loaded, the first thing executed is the shell script /init ("/tmp/initrd/init") and you can view that now with "less init"
[21:14] <giorgiodinapoli> unsx, the problem is the display manager
[21:14] <giorgiodinapoli> unsx, try gnome classic e.g.
[21:14] <giorgiodinapoli> that runs fast
[21:14] <TJ-> TiZ: It is pretty straightforward to follow it's flow, just browse it quickly to get an 'sense' of how things happen
[21:14] <TJ-> TiZ: whilst you do that I'll check here on the files to look at to figure out the boot failure
[21:14] <TiZ> TJ- At least I am learning about how the initrd works today! :D
[21:15] <TJ-> TiZ: I'm replicating all the steps we're doing, here
[21:15] <TiZ> Do you want me to pastebin /init for you?
[21:16] <TiZ> Oh, I see those maybe_break functions you mentioned earlier.
[21:16] <TiZ> TJ- I really have to pee, I'm guessing now's a pretty good time. BRB.
[21:17] <TJ-> TiZ: OK :)   ... when you're back... "grep by-uuid lib/udev/rules.d/*" should show the rule that creates the sym-links: "lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage-dm.rules:ENV{ID_FS_USAGE}=="filesystem|other|crypto", ENV{ID_FS_UUID_ENC}=="?*", SYMLINK+="disk/by-uuid/$env{ID_FS_UUID_ENC}" "
[21:17] <nutzz> Is there any tool to extract the lsb from a bmp image, I have to do this for a steganography challange
[21:18] <TJ-> TiZ: and the same rule in "lib/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-storage.rules" too
[21:19] <unsx> giorgiodinapoli: that worked great, thanks :)
[21:19] <TJ-> TiZ: answering your earlier question - no pastebin required - the /init script is the same for everyone
[21:19] <samthewildone> Does ubuntu install some default audio driver ?
[21:20] <samthewildone> my music sounds muffled.
[21:21] <samthewildone> nevermind... alsamixer took care of it.
[21:23] <TJ-> TiZ: Can you do from *outside* the chroot (use another terminal) "sudo lspci -nnkvvv | pastebinit" .... getting a drink... brb
[21:23] <giorgiodinapoli> unsx, ;)
[21:23] <slowday> i am having the most difficult time creating a bootable windows 8 USB from within Ubuntu. i need this so i can fix my desktop. i have followed about 5 tutorials online, 2 or so videos on youtube, and search the arch/ubuntu forums and found no working instructions. i have tried the MS-SYS and uefi mrethods but can get nothing to work.e
[21:24] <TiZ> TJ-: Okay, the grep checked out.
[21:25] <TiZ> TJ-: your lspci: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917895
[21:26] <macwolf74> good day
[21:26] <macwolf74> so I have this uefi laptop that came with windows 8, and I've tried installing linux on my external drive with it
[21:26] <macwolf74> now it boots directly to the grub command line... I ask for guidance in booting windows so I can set things back
[21:26] <macwolf74> I can't boot into the UEFI setup or even external drives
[21:27] <user2014> всем привет
[21:28] <red_cell> macwolf74 did you try booting from disc or usb
[21:28] <macwolf74> red_cell: I just said I can't boot from external media
[21:28] <macwolf74> ...
[21:28] <red_cell> and live disc
[21:30] <red_cell> usb thumb drive
[21:30] <TJ-> TiZ: thanks... looking
[21:31] <TJ-> TiZ:  OK... and again from outside the chroot "dmesg | pastebinit"
[21:32] <TiZ> TJ- http://paste.ubuntu.com/7917959
[21:32] <TJ-> TiZ: I'm now looking at the disk-drive+controller drivers... if either aren't ready then udev will never get an event from the kernel saying the disk was added, and thus the sym-link won't be created
[21:32] <TiZ> TJ- But then how is it that they appear in the live USB?
[21:34] <TJ-> TiZ: Because the initrd.img is generated by "update-initramfs" customised to the running system, and it is sometimes possible for it to miss out on copying in required modules, whereas the initrd for the Live ISO has almost everything just-in-case because it has to boot on everything
[21:34] <TJ-> TiZ: this might be false lead, but it is the most obvious to explain the missing UUID sym-link
[21:35] <TiZ> TJ- Right... but then... isn't the initrd during installation generated within the live cd
[21:36] <TiZ> and then would already have loaded everything it needs and adds it in?
[21:36] <TJ-> TiZ: So, it is a Western Digital 250GB drive on SATA port 1 with 6Gbps (SATA 3)
[21:36] <dw1> ive got a weird network speed problem ... if i download a large file with a single thread (wget,ftp,scp,etc) i get 50-75k/s. if i use multithread the more threads i use the faster it goes. with 100 threads i can get 3MB/s which is near my cap...
[21:37] <TiZ> TJ- Yeah.
[21:37] <MutantTurkey> dw1: that's not necessarily weird
[21:37] <TJ-> TiZ: No.. the installer runs update-initramfs from within the installed target chroot that it builds itself
[21:37] <TiZ> TJ- I see. I was actually thinking about regenerating the initramfs from within the chroot since the disk is obviously in use right now
[21:38] <dw1> MutantTurkey: i think it is.. and it nerfs my Plex media streaming
[21:38] <TiZ> But if that's what the installer did, it wouldn't be any different.
[21:38] <daniel_medeiross> Hi people !!!
[21:39] <TJ-> TiZ: yes, it will... what update-initramfs puts in the custom built initrd.img is determined by 'hook' scripts installed by other packages.
[21:39] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, lets just confirm the AHCI driver is in the initrd: "ls lib/modules/*/kernel/drivers/ata/ahci.ko"
[21:40] <TiZ> TJ- Yup, it's there.
[21:41] <TiZ> Optiplex 790's bios will let me take it out of AHCI mode... is that something I should try? As I understand it, ATA is slower than AHCI by like a lot.
[21:41] <TJ-> TiZ: No, AHCI is preferred
[21:41] <TiZ> TJ- That's what I thought.
[21:43] <TJ-> TiZ: This all looks OK ... there is nothing obvious in the data that I can see so far, so I think we need to do a reboot into the real system with "break=mount". But to do that, we need to ensure that the keyboard works. Bear with me whilst I check on which drivers need to be forced in order for that to happen
[21:44] <TJ-> TiZ: whilst I do this, can you do a test boot adding "rootdelay=120" (that's seconds) to the kernel command-line ... that might be enough if the device eventually appears, to get you booted once so we can view the logs
[21:45] <TiZ> TJ- I actually saw that suggestion while googling; I did rootdelay=150 earlier and it didn't help. :(
[21:45] <TJ-> TiZ: oh, good! That saves one boot attempt :)
[21:46] <TJ-> TiZ and answers the inferred question... does the device appear eventually? No
[21:47] <TiZ> TJ- Glad we could skip that step then. :P
[21:49] <TJ-> TiZ:  I think I've found the keyboard problem, in dmesg there is "i8042: PNP: PS/2 controller doesn't have KBD irq; using default 1" i8042 is the IBM PS/2 style keyboard port controller
[21:50] <TiZ> TJ- That's weird... well, the computer *does* have that port.
[21:50] <TiZ> But what I'm using is a USB keyboard.
[21:51] <TJ-> TiZ: yeah... the external keyboard is "input: Logitech Logitech USB Keyboard as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.0/usb2/2-1/2-1.3/2-1.3:1.0/input/input6"
[21:51] <TJ-> TiZ: so now I am making sure which USB drivers are needed for that, and that they will be present and loaded in the initrd
[21:51] <TiZ> TJ- yup, that's the one.
[21:52] <TJ-> TiZ: It also strikes me that if the keyboard driver isn't loaded... and the disk sym-links never appear... udev might be the common problem here... maybe it is failing in some way early
[21:52] <TJ-> TiZ: udev is reponsible for loading kernel modules in response to the kernel's device-added messages
[21:52] <TiZ> TJ- That's a good point.
[21:54] <TJ-> TiZ: when the USB keyboard didn't work, did you try using a PS/2 keyboard instead (if you have one) ?
[21:54] <TiZ> Oh man, I don't even know if we have one...
[21:54] <TJ-> TiZ: that'd save us having to figure out the USB drivers :)
[21:54] <eoan> evening all - having some problems with (I think) pulseaudio; I'm using an external soundcard and unless I keep pavucontrol open the sound gets horribly distorted (based on my googling I think this is because pa is outputting at 48000 Hz instead of 44100.  If I start playing an mp3/internet stream the sound is distorted, but the moment I open pavucontrol everything is fine.  If I then close pavucontrol and wait a few seconds, th
[21:54] <eoan> e sound gets distorted again.  If anyone has any idea where to point me, that would be great!
[21:55] <TJ-> TiZ: the module we have to force is "hid_generic" ... we may have to rebuild the initrd.img ourselves with that in the config if there is no PS/2 keyboard to try with
[21:56] <brucelee> how do i get the OS to detect the new drive after hotswapping one in?
[21:57] <brucelee> also what happens if i hotswap a drive out that's in use, would hot swapping it back in return things back to normal?
[21:57] <brucelee> or would there be unrecoverable issues
[21:58] <TiZ> TJ- Oh my god I found one
[21:58] <TiZ> And it even works
[21:58] <TJ-> brucelee: it depends if you've got the hot-plug drivers loaded
[21:58] <TJ-> TiZ: That is *great news!
[21:58] <TiZ> Reboot now and give it a shot?
[21:59] <TJ-> TiZ: yes, with "break=mount"
[22:01] <jgcampbell300> would lamp be the best thing to install for a home web server ?
[22:02] <TiZ> TJ- keyboard works! yessss~
[22:02] <TiZ> It's HELLA dusty, but it's worth.
[22:02] <TJ-> TiZ: are you at the shell prompt?
[22:03] <TiZ> Yup!
[22:03] <TJ-> TiZ: lets try getting the USb keyboard working first, too: "modprobe hid-generic"
[22:03] <TiZ> it didn't say anything, but the keyboard doesn't work.
[22:03] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, so the module loaded but nothing happened... lets check on udev
[22:04] <TJ-> TiZ: "ps | grep udev"
[22:04] <TiZ> /lib/systemd/systemd-udevd --daemon --resolve-names=
[22:04] <TiZ> And then the grep.
[22:04] <TJ-> TiZ: ok, so it is running
[22:05] <TJ-> TiZ: lets check on the hidden udev log-file... which I now have to remember where it lives :)
[22:06] <TJ-> TiZ: There should be a /root/ mount-point destined for the root file-system, try "ls -a /root/" tell me if it is empty or not
[22:06] <TiZ> TJ- /dev/disk does not exist.
[22:06] <rev1lz> test
[22:06] <TiZ> TJ- empty.
[22:07] <TJ-> TiZ: OK.... give me a moment, I need to reproduce this in a virtual machine so I can give you accurate instructions
[22:07] <TiZ> TJ- got it. Thank you for all of your help, by the way.
[22:08] <red_cell>  expendibles 3  online now
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[22:11] <Kaco> evening
[22:13] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, "ls -al /run/udev/links" ... do you see some paths to disk file-systems?
[22:14] <red_cell> kaco you like movies
[22:14] <TiZ> TJ- All I see is\x2frtc.
[22:14] <TJ-> TiZ: that's the only entry? OK, that confirms that udev hasn't created a link
[22:15] <Lunario> Is there a command for making a backup of one's ubuntu installation via commandline?
[22:15] <TJ-> TiZ: I'd expect to see 1 or more entries of the form "\x2fdisk\x2fby-id\x2fata..."
[22:16] <TJ-> TiZ: and some with "by-uuid" in them. The fact you don't have those confirms this is a udev issue of some form
[22:16] <TJ-> TiZ: what does "uname -r" report? I'd expect "3.13.0-24-generic"
[22:18] <ceed^> I have installed my HP printer without problems and it prints the test page but not anything but pictures from other applications. No text whatsoever. I'm on 14.04
[22:18] <TiZ> 3.11.0-12-generic
[22:18] <Kaco> hello
[22:18] <TiZ> wait wtf
[22:19] <TiZ> TJ-, it says it's 3.11.0-12-generic.
[22:20] <TJ-> TiZ: that's the Saucy kernel :s
[22:20] <TJ-> TiZ: did you do an upgrade from 13.10 > 14.04 ?
[22:20] <TiZ> Why the hell is it running the saucy kernel?! :o
[22:20] <TiZ> I formatted /
[22:20] <TJ-> TiZ: You sure about that?
[22:21] <TiZ> Positive. I told the installer to do it, anyways
[22:21] <TJ-> TiZ: ok, lets try mounting and seeing what is there
[22:22] <TJ-> TiZ: I'm hoping this will work "mount /dev/sda2 /root/" then "ls -al /root/" and make sure you see entries, then check "ls -al /root/boot/" and look at the kernel/initrd package versions carefully
[22:22] <TiZ> "mount: mounting /dev/sda2 on /root/ failed: No such file or directory"
[22:23] <TJ-> TiZ: "ls -al /root/" ?
[22:23] <TJ-> TiZ: if it is empty, you should see "." and  " .."
[22:23] <TiZ> Empty.
[22:23] <TJ-> TiZ: Ok, so literally sda is missing
[22:24] <TJ-> TiZ: "ls -l /dev/sd*"
[22:24] <TiZ> sure enough, it is not there.
[22:24] <TiZ> There are no sds whatsoever.
[22:24] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, so we're back to the original scenario... disk drive not discovered
[22:25] <TiZ> I am really concerned about why the saucy kernel is running
[22:25] <TJ-> TiZ: Now we have to try to be clever, we need to save that current dmesg log-file, which means we need a writeable device. Do you have a spare 'data' USB flash memory we could use?
[22:26] <TiZ> There's a USB drive plugged into the thing right now.
[22:26] <TiZ> It's the same usb drive the live environment is on, installed from unetbootin
[22:27] <TiZ> It's been plugged in the whole time, actually.
[22:27] <TiZ> ....?
[22:27] <TJ-> TiZ: The grub.cfg showed "linux /boot/vmlinuz-3.13.0-32-generic ..." so if you selected that at boot-time, then something is very screwy here
[22:27] <TJ-> TiZ: Huh? that doesn't happen to have Saucy installed on it does it?
[22:28] <TJ-> TiZ: Have you tried booting this system without that device connected?
[22:28] <TiZ> It did before, but I replaced it with Trusty.
[22:28] <TiZ> And I'm checking now to see if that old kernel is still there.
[22:28] <TiZ> I could have sworn that I booted it up without the stick plugged in multiple times
[22:28] <TJ-> TiZ: /me is thinking you booted from the USB device by accident
[22:28] <TiZ> But I am very senile for a 25 year old
[22:28] <TJ-> TiZ:  :D  I know the feeling :)
[22:32] <TiZ> TJ- Without the stick plugged in, it's still 3.11.0-12-generic.
[22:32] <TJ-> TiZ: there's something very weird going on here then, based on the pastebin captures and this
[22:33] <TJ-> TiZ: reboot to the GRUB menu, use "c" to get to the grub console and do "ls" and see what versions it sees
[22:33] <TiZ> Okay, I'll try that.
[22:35] <TiZ> TJ- (hd0) (hd0,msdos4) (hd0,msdos3) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos1) (fd0)
[22:35] <TJ-> TiZ: when you do "grub> ls" you should see the devices
[22:35] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, now do "ls (hd0,msdos2)/boot/"
[22:36] <TiZ> All 3.13 stuff. Nothing to do with 3.11.
[22:36] <TJ-> TiZ: There are only 2 explanations: 1) uname -r lied or 2) the wrong filename is set on the kernel image
[22:37] <TiZ> Well, I'm just going to overkill this. I've created a new USB image for 14.04.1. I'm going to delete the EFI partition, move / back to the start of the disk, format it in GParted, format it again in the installer, and pray that it works.
[22:38] <TJ-> TiZ: OK, Press Esc to get back to the GRUB menu, press 'e' on the "Ubuntu" default entry, and look carefully at the "linux ..." line to ensure that too has the 3.13 image name.... then lets do "break=mount" again and boot
[22:38] <TJ-> TiZ: OK... that might save some time :)
[22:38] <TiZ> Precisely. I get off work in 22 minutes and I have places to be. I don't mind staying longer to make sure it comes back up, but I'm all for saving time.
[22:39] <TJ-> TiZ: intriguing scenario you have though :p
[22:40] <TiZ> TJ- It's murphy's law. Trusty is running like a champ on my Asus G46VW. I have a script I run to restore my package choices and configurations, and I get back to 100% in less than an hour.
[22:40] <TiZ> Hell, I did it twice. I started out trying btrfs, and then decided I didn't want to bother so just redid the process on ext4. Easy peasy lemon squeezy
[22:41] <TiZ> So it just FIGURES that when I try to do it to my work computer it goes and explodes in my face. :|
[22:42] <TJ-> TiZ: It looks like there was an existing 13.10 install and the installer didn't set the format flag on the file-system.... that being the case, I can imagine the Trusty install co-mingling with Saucy, which could explain this weirdness
[22:42] <jay__> i have a question.
[22:43] <samthewildone> So it seems with 14.04.1LTS I haven't experience any problems.
[22:43] <samthewildone> so far so good...
[22:43] <TiZ> TJ- I'm hoping that's the case because if I'm no closer to fixing this after this reinstall, I'm going to be furious.
[22:43] <Bashing-om> !ask | jay__
[22:44] <jay__> If anyone is skilled or knowledgable at dual booting. i was wondering if i have a windows xp recovery disc, if i would be able to use that disc to dual boot windows on my linux.
[22:44] <user> hi guys, how to get the latest version of libreoffice, which is 4.3
[22:44] <user> ?
[22:44] <TiZ> TJ- There are things I needed to do at work today that I haven't gotten to do at all due to having to mess with this. :(
[22:44] <TJ-> TiZ: well, let us know how it turns out, either way :)
[22:44] <TiZ> I was like, reinstalling will be like 2 hours max. BOOM ENTIRE WORKDAY.
[22:44] <sin_> hello...:)
[22:45] <TJ-> TiZ: I use LVM, it allows me to co-install new/dev releases alongside and test before switching permanently
[22:46] <TJ-> TiZ: I don't allocate all the extents in the VG to the first OS... so I can simply create additional LVs for newer installs, and they can share the /home/ LV
[22:46] <TiZ> TJ- I thought about using LVM. I guess that works if you don't allocate all the space. Otherwise it just seemed to me the same as regular partitioning in terms of file system resizing and the like.
[22:47] <TiZ> Like, do you still have to move data around when you resize a file system?
[22:47] <Muchachao> hi guys, how to get the latest version of libreoffice, which is 4.3?
[22:49] <TJ-> TiZ: well with LVs I can dynamically resize them as needed... I often need to extend the SourceCode LV for example to debug large code-bases... but afterwards I can shrink it again when the space is no longer required
[22:49] <OerHeks> Muchachao, install it manually, or wait for the update ( recommended)
[22:50] <TJ-> TiZ: And I use them for VMs of course
[22:50] <TiZ> TJ- Ugh, I just remembered this thing... The installer reports the sizes for all of the partitions incorrectly.
[22:50] <TJ-> TiZ: maybe that is because of the GPT on-disk instead of MBR ?
[22:50] <TiZ> TJ- GPT on-disk?
[22:51] <TiZ> I thought I left this thing as MBR. I didn't need any of the GPT features...
[22:51] <TJ-> TiZ: The disk had a GUID partition-table didn't it, with the EFI system partition?
[22:51] <TiZ> No, I just thought you needed an EFI partition if you wanted to use EFI.
[22:51] <TJ-> TiZ: Ahhh, it was MBR with an ESP? that's funky :)
[22:52] <TJ-> TiZ: EFI requires GPT, which requires an ESP (fat16/32 FS  ~256MB)
[22:52] <TiZ> TJ- Huh. Well, in any case, I can't afford to change the partition table because there is some pretty important data sitting in /home. Namely, my Win7 VM.
[22:53] <TJ-> TiZ: if the installer boots in EFI mode, it'll install as EFI... if it boots with CSM (compatibility support module) it'll do MBR boot on either MBR or GPT disk
[22:53] <jay__> am i able to dual boot windows on my linux with a windows recovery disc?
[22:53] <TJ-> TiZ: can you "sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda | pastebinit" ?
[22:54] <TiZ> TJ- I explicitly booted up in legacy mode; using the boot menu gives me a choice between the two.
[22:54] <TiZ> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7918510
[22:54] <TiZ> TJ- ^
[22:56] <TJ-> TiZ: that looks correct to me, not sure why gparted would complain
[22:57] <TiZ> TJ- Gparted didn't complain
[22:57] <TiZ> The ubuntu installer didn't complain either
[22:57] <TiZ> But the sizes were wrong and it couldn't detect what was in the first partition.
[22:58] <Player_> Hi, when I run sudo apt-get update it checks the translation servers for 'en' and 'en_US' four times, and sometimes it hangs on the fourth.  Is there a way I can make it only check these once or is there a good reason it's doing this?
[22:58] <TJ-> TiZ: that wouldn't surprise me if there was a pseudo-ESP partition in sda1
[22:58] <TiZ> Alright, well, installation done. knocking on wood and crossing fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Knocking on wood while crossing fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Ow. Don't knock on wood *with* crossed fingers.
[22:59] <TiZ> Well shit, it's coming up now.
[22:59] <TiZ> Huh.
[22:59] <TiZ> Oh, sorry for the language.
[23:00] <Player_> ..and flooding. ;P
[23:00] <TiZ> Yes, that too. ^.^;;
[23:01] <mastercaster> Hi, I have installed a program (gnu cobol) in version 1.0 and now 2.0. When I execute the program cobc (the compiler) it is still using the old one in /usr/bin instead of the new one that is installed to /usr/local/bin
[23:01] <mastercaster> how do I tell bash where to find the file?
[23:03] <TJ-> mastercaster: usually the user PATH has "/usr/local/bin" before "/usr/bin/" ... which user and shell is executing the compiler?
[23:03] <TJ-> master_: "which cobc" will show the default when no explicit path is given
[23:04] <TJ-> mastercaster: "which cobc" will show the default when no explicit path is given
[23:04] <TiZ> Well, now to run my post-install script and fix anything that messes up. TJ-, thank you very much. You deserve a medal, sir.
[23:04] <Player_> I guess nobody saw my question?  when I run sudo apt-get update it checks the translation servers for 'en' and 'en_US' four times, and sometimes it hangs on the fourth.  Is there a way I can make it only check these once or is there a good reason it's doing this?
[23:05] <TJ-> TiZ: you're welcome... I'd love to figure out what you did to that thing!
[23:05] <mastercaster> I am using myself as the user (not root), using bash
[23:05] <mastercaster> I have removed the old compiler
[23:05] <TiZ> TJ- I'm not sure I want to know, actually. :P
[23:06] <mastercaster> now when I use which cobc it finds the currently only installed compiler just fine
[23:06] <TJ-> mastercaster: what happens when you call "cobc" with its absolute path ("/usr/local/bin/cobc") ?
[23:06] <mastercaster> it works
[23:06] <TJ-> mastercaster: Then your bash PATH has been changed... what is ("echo $PATH" ) ?
[23:06] <TiZ> I booted the USB in EFI mode. Added an ESP, tried to install. It didn't work. Then I booted in legacy mode and installed from there. And then we spent all that time wracking our brains. And then I killed the ESP and tried again. so... yeah.
[23:06] <mastercaster> only when I write cobc -x file.cob I get an error "no such file or directory"
[23:07] <mastercaster> basically it is looking in the old path
[23:07] <TJ-> TiZ: You're a master :)
[23:07] <mastercaster> ;)
[23:07] <mastercaster> more like a noob ;)
[23:07] <TiZ> TJ- You mean massive scrub. :P
[23:07] <mastercaster> my nick is referring to a very nice guitar
[23:07] <mastercaster> google it ;)
[23:08] <mastercaster> anyways, is there not a way to simply reassign the path bash should look for a file, here the compiler?
[23:08] <mastercaster> I know that it searches $PATH
[23:08] <TJ-> mastercaster: I've already told you twice o.O
[23:08] <mastercaster> but the new directory /usr/local/bin is in there as well
[23:08] <TJ-> mastercaster: show us what "echo $PATH" reports
[23:09] <mastercaster> ok sorry, didnt see that
[23:09] <mastercaster> /usr/lib/lightdm/lightdm:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[23:09] <mastercaster> /usr/local/bin is the correct path
[23:10] <mastercaster> or directory I should say
[23:11] <TJ-> mastercaster: so "/usr/local/bin" is before "/usr/bin/" - I don't see how "which cobc" would report "/usr/bin/cobc" in that case, unless the "/usr/local/bin/cobc" isn't executable
[23:12] <TiZ> Did you uninstall the system version, install the local version, try to compile all within the same terminal session?
[23:12] <TJ-> mastercaster: what does "cobc --version" and "/usr/local/bin/cobc --version" report ?
[23:14] <mastercaster> cobc --version gives an error (file not found, because it is looking in /usr/bin/cobc, that is where my first installation (v1.0) used to be, before I deleted it. The one with the abs. path returns the cobc compiler v2.0 the one I installed later
[23:14] <mastercaster> file /usr/local/bin/cobc says it is  a 64bin executable
[23:14] <mastercaster> i had both cobc installed at one point
[23:14] <TJ-> mastercaster: "cobc --version" should be picking the "/usr/local/bin/cobc" since "/usr/local/bin/" is first in the PATH
[23:15] <TiZ> mastercaster: if you uninstalled /usr/bin/cobc, installed /usr/local/bin/cobc, and tried to compile all within the same terminal session, you need to restart your terminal.
[23:15] <mastercaster> ok i will restart the session that could be it
[23:15] <TiZ> I don't know why this works, but it has worked for me before.
[23:15] <TJ-> mastercaster: does " ls -l /usr/bin/cobc" show it as a sym-link to /etc/alternatives/
[23:15] <mastercaster> TiZ, congratulations
[23:15] <mastercaster> that did it
[23:15] <mastercaster> :)
[23:16] <TiZ> Yay! I just paid it forward! :D
[23:16] <mastercaster> thanks TJ-  and TiZ for your help
[23:16] <TJ-> TiZ: how the heck can that happen!?
[23:16] <TiZ> TJ- I don't know why bash gets stubborn about where it thinks something is, but it does.
[23:16] <mastercaster> well it seems starting a new terminal session reads the env variables in once again
[23:16] <TJ-> TiZ: I'm going to try that now!
[23:17] <mastercaster> forgetting "old" files
[23:17] <TiZ> "cobc is in /usr/bin! I JUST saw it there! Don't try to tell me that it's in /usr/local/bin! You're crazy!" -- how I think of bash in this scenario.
[23:17] <TJ-> TiZ: mastercaster: The only way that might happen is if the compiler sets/changes some envvars and doesn't clear them
[23:18] <AZUREstrand> irc.anthrochat.net
[23:18] <mastercaster> I dont remember how I installed v.1 of cobc. But just installing v2 I used ./configure and sudo make install
[23:18] <TiZ> I've had it happen on non-compiler apps too.
[23:18] <mastercaster> it was written in the README
[23:18] <mastercaster> I was following instructions there
[23:19] <TiZ> I guess for some reason bash caches the locations of things it looks up in PATH so it doesn't have to again?
[23:19] <TiZ> That is my semi-educated guess.
[23:19] <mastercaster> I am not too unix savvy to understand what is happening here.. but I am glad you guys found the solution
[23:19] <mastercaster> TiZ, my guess too
[23:19] <mastercaster> TiZ, it explains why a simple session restart did the magic
[23:20] <Guest23651> I am having problems running blender. I get this error: Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0"
[23:20] <Guest23651> when I run glxinfo
[23:24] <TJ-> mastercaster: there's some terribly basic compiler warnings during the build
[23:25] <TJ-> mastercaster: reproduced it ... now to discover why :)
[23:25] <lritter> oh god. i totally missed the end of life for 12.10 and now i'm a little stuck. how do i upgrade from here?
[23:26] <rww> !eolupgrade
[23:26] <lritter> thanks <3
[23:27] <Beldar> lritter, You can eol upgrade however it is through two other eol's and it will take time, you might consider backing up what you need and doing a fresh install of 14.04 that has 5 years support.
[23:28] <lritter> Beldar, i'll try the hard way; if it messes up i can still do the long road
[23:29] <TJ-> mastercaster: TiZ: here we go. To check what paths bash has cached "type cobc", and to clear it "hash -d cobc"
[23:29] <Beldar> lritter, I would consider the long road the upgrades but do waht works. ;)
[23:29] <rww> Beldar: only one other EOL. 12.10 -> 13.10 is supported. Since 13.10 is now EOL, 12.10 to 14.04 might even be, not sure
[23:29]  * rww considers spinning up a VM and testing it
[23:30] <lritter> Beldar, as said, if it messes up, i can still go the other way; but i don't have a great way to backup right now.
[23:30] <Beldar> rww, 13.04 to 13.10 is two other eol's
[23:30] <lritter> one can go directly from 12.10 to 13.10
[23:30] <lritter> i checked
[23:31] <Beldar> Have not seen that but if so cool
[23:45] <guzzi_jones> i am trying to copy from md1 to md0.  these are software raid1 partitions
[23:45] <guzzi_jones> i have copied all the data and preserved permissions
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> i edited fstab and adjusted the UUID
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> on the new raid drive
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> i also tried to to update grub but it will not boot to the other partition.
[23:46] <guzzi_jones> how do i change my mbr to boot to the new parition?
[23:47] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: which metadata version did you use for md1 ?
[23:48] <guzzi_jones> how do i get that?
[23:48] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: if these are supposed to be bootable, then you can only use versions up to and including 1.0 ... 1.1 and 1.2 store metadata at the *start* of the array, and therefore are not bootable but firmware
[23:49] <guzzi_jones> this was not originally a bootable partition.  it was originally a swap partiion
[23:50] <guzzi_jones> so how do i get the metadata version of md1 for you?
[23:50] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: "mdadm --detail /dev/mdX" I think
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> md1 is version 1.2
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> that is my current bootable raid device
[23:52] <guzzi_jones> i am trying to move to md0 which used to be a swap drive
[23:58] <TJ-> guzzi_jones: Is md1 a whole-disk including a partition table, or are the underlying devices partitions
[23:59] <zacwalls> hay guys
[23:59] <zacwalls> i have a question.