| Patrickdk | !webmin | 00:00 |
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| ubottu | webmin is no longer supported in Debian and Ubuntu. It is not compatible with the way that Ubuntu packages handle configuration files, and is likely to cause unexpected issues with your system. | 00:00 |
| Patrickdk | !virtualmin | 00:00 |
| Patrickdk | !ebox | 00:00 |
| ubottu | zentyal is a web-based GUI interface for administering a server. It is designed to work with Ubuntu/Debian style configuration management. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Zentyal (Project formally known as eBox - including in Lucid/10.04). | 00:00 |
| WACOMalt | virtualmin/webmin supports 14.04 though? | 00:03 |
| WACOMalt | Patrickdk, does zentray offer plenty of options? Aka can I host say, 5 separate domains on it, each using a different IP etc etc | 00:04 |
| WACOMalt | mail server, FTP, mysql, postgre | 00:05 |
| Patrickdk | how should I know? | 00:05 |
| WACOMalt | oh... you recommended it so I figured maybe you used it | 00:05 |
| Patrickdk | I didn't recommend anything | 00:06 |
| Patrickdk | I just listed *options* | 00:06 |
| WACOMalt | ok, sorry then | 00:06 |
| Patrickdk | there might be more options | 00:06 |
| Patrickdk | but those are the ones that I know of | 00:06 |
| Sachiru | Also can anyone recommend a shared web host or cloud email provider? The shared web hosting will be used strictly for IMAP/email purposes (we need custom branding for email for 15 users, but we create and delete users a lot due to the nature of the nonprofit, so if we'll go by created users a month it will be more like 30 users) | 00:09 |
| WACOMalt | !ehcp | 00:18 |
| WACOMalt | I need to manually add a public key for a repo I think.. but I have no idea how to do that. This is the repo: http://archive.zentyal.org/zentyal/dists/3.5/ | 00:37 |
| WACOMalt | there is a Release.gpg file there. I assume this is the key I need to add | 00:38 |
| jak2000 | how to restart a ububtu server? sudo shutdown -g0 -r ? or? | 00:58 |
| Patrickdk | reboot? :) | 00:58 |
| jak2000 | yes reboot | 00:58 |
| sarnold | WACOMalt: you need something like: sudo apt-key adv --recv-key E23F4777 | 01:05 |
| sarnold | WACOMalt: (I found the keyid by downloading the Release and Release.gpg file, and running "gpg Release.gpg" | 01:05 |
| WACOMalt | I wound up figureing it out from this https://wiki.zentyal.org/index.php/Daily_Builds#Installing_from_APT_repository | 01:05 |
| WACOMalt | ah | 01:05 |
| jak2000 | how to restart/reboot a ububtu server? sudo shutdown -g0 -r ? or? | 02:02 |
| sarnold | jak2000: what does -g0 do? I don't see it in my shutdown(8) manpage | 02:03 |
| jak2000 | sarnold :) bad practice other linux | 02:03 |
| jak2000 | the: sudo shutdown -r its ok? | 02:03 |
| sarnold | jak2000: I always use sudo shutdown -r now | 02:04 |
| rena_ | sudo reboot | 02:07 |
| sarnold | I don't recommend reboot since some unix systems instantly reset the CPU on 'reboot': no dirty buffer flushing, no filesystem umounts, no process killing.. | 02:08 |
| TJ- | sarnold: reboot calls shutdown unless runlevel is {0,6} | 02:11 |
| jak2000 | sarnold wich VPS reccomend me? cheaper, good speed, good processors, and much hard drive? :) | 02:25 |
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| fraq | if I want to download all the dependencies for a package (which may already have been downloaded) | 03:20 |
| fraq | what is the recommended way to go about that? | 03:21 |
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| mechamjoseph | hey all | 05:44 |
| mechamjoseph | my server is running quite slow. when i run “top” i see quite a large number of “sendmail-mta” processes. is this normal? | 05:45 |
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| RoyK | mechamjoseph: check the mail logs - also - why on earth are you running sendmail? | 06:05 |
| mechamjoseph | thank you Royk | 06:05 |
| mechamjoseph | i didn’t set this server up, i’m just helping out with a company, and i’m not really familiar with running a server | 06:05 |
| mechamjoseph | what should i do instead of sendmail? | 06:06 |
| RoyK | postfix or exim - I prefer postfix - but anyway - if it works, don't fix it | 06:06 |
| mechamjoseph | haha it doesn't | 06:06 |
| mechamjoseph | it’s totally busted | 06:06 |
| RoyK | but then - I can't recall ever seeing a process called sendmail-mta | 06:06 |
| RoyK | it should be just sendmail | 06:07 |
| RoyK | pastebin "ps axfwww" please | 06:07 |
| RoyK | !pastebin | mechamjoseph | 06:08 |
| ubottu | mechamjoseph: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. | 06:08 |
| histo | RoyK: is that like super wide output? www? | 06:09 |
| RoyK | histo: mhm | 06:09 |
| RoyK | histo: ps tends to cut lines | 06:09 |
| histo | RoyK: one w would be sufficient, is what I was trying to say. www does nothing vs. w | 06:28 |
| sarnold | histo: have you tried? | 06:28 |
| histo | sarnold: tried what? | 06:29 |
| sarnold | histo: ps auxw vs ps auxwww ? | 06:29 |
| histo | sarnold: yes | 06:29 |
| RoyK | histo: no, one w alone doesn't do what two does. three was perhaps a bit overkill | 06:30 |
| RoyK | w Wide output. Use this option twice for unlimited width. | 06:30 |
| sarnold | histo: note one w: | 06:30 |
| sarnold | sarnold 24919 0.0 0.0 11564 736 ? Ss Jul18 0:00 cscope -dl -f /home/sarnold/ubuntu/security/audits/librevenge/utopi | 06:30 |
| sarnold | histo: two ww: | 06:31 |
| sarnold | sarnold 24919 0.0 0.0 11564 736 ? Ss Jul18 0:00 cscope -dl -f /home/sarnold/ubuntu/security/audits/librevenge/utopic/librevenge-0.0.1/cscope.out | 06:31 |
| histo | ahh | 06:31 |
| sarnold | hunh. where'd that terminal go anyway? | 06:34 |
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| lordievader | Good morning. | 07:00 |
| RoyK | morning | 07:07 |
| lordievader | Hey RoyK, how are you? | 07:11 |
| RoyK | lordievader: fine, thanks | 07:11 |
| histo | Now wait a sec, sarnold when I tested diff <(ps auxw) <(ps auxwww) no difference here. I assume that depends heavily on output so I'll take your word for it. | 07:37 |
| histo | s/output/running pids/ | 07:41 |
| user123321 | http://pastebin.com/EghdcWfA <--- this in the interfaces file. I tried pinging 8.8.8.8 but the responses are way too slow. I'm getting like only 3 responses within 15-20 seconds. The problem came after adding CARP setting. Any ideas? | 07:41 |
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| lordievader | user123321: Default route timeout? | 07:48 |
| user123321 | lordievader, Each response came with time around 70 ms. Would installing traceroute be helpful? | 07:51 |
| lordievader | user123321: Check your routes: ip route/route | 07:52 |
| user123321 | lordievader, ip route gives, default via 192.168.1.1 dev eth0 | 07:53 |
| user123321 | 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth0 proto kernel scope link src 192.168.1.3 | 07:53 |
| lordievader | user123321: Judging from your interfaces file I'd say that is correct, however I have no experience with a carp device and I do not know the influence of such a thing. | 07:55 |
| user123321 | Yep, problem comes only after CARP, lol. | 07:59 |
| user123321 | If I remove the CARP setting, then it will work. hmm. | 08:00 |
| user123321 | What's a good HA and LB method for Ubuntu? | 08:02 |
| user123321 | At least for, 2 servers. Main server + Backup server | 08:03 |
| user123321 | They would have, for example, an Apache. | 08:03 |
| user123321 | Is HAProxy good? | 08:20 |
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| user123321 | Hello, I would appreciate some advice regarding the possibility to install this in VM's --> http://support.severalnines.com/entries/23612682-Install-HAProxy-and-Keepalived-Virtual-IP- | 08:27 |
| user123321 | For example, without getting actual physical machines, is it alright to install some of the parts in VM's, any recommendations? | 08:28 |
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| mephx | can a xfs filesystem be mounted during ubuntu setup in an alternative console? mount doesn't support -t xfs in the current 14.04 setup. | 10:03 |
| user123321 | Any comments for this network design? Load Balancer 1 and Web server 1, both in one physical machine (LB1 in a VM), Load Balancer 2 and Web Server 2 in another physical machine (LB2 in a VM). The web servers and load balancers are identical. Both the load balancers will have one virtual IP. | 10:06 |
| user123321 | So basically, there's a reduction from 4 machines to 2 machines. Any ideas? | 10:06 |
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| weeb1e_ | Apparently, someone managed to remove the kernel entirely from an ubuntu server | 11:25 |
| weeb1e_ | And grub is not showing any previous kernel to load | 11:26 |
| weeb1e_ | What are the steps to recover the system and reinstall a kernel? I need to provide them via email as I have no direct access to the machine | 11:26 |
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| peetaur2 | weeb1e_: :D | 12:01 |
| peetaur2 | weeb1e_: boot rescue/live cd, chroot into root, make sure boot is mounted, apt-get install linux-image-... | 12:01 |
| peetaur2 | weeb1e_: and then: optional, not required unless you also lost /boot: grub-install /dev/sdX then maybe optional: update-initramfs -u and important: update-grub | 12:02 |
| peetaur2 | I have also written this which has the same chroot and grub install steps: http://pastebin.com/4NLFkdzQ | 12:03 |
| peetaur2 | and I wrote this answer for even if you rm -rf /boot: http://askubuntu.com/questions/117027/cannot-recover-grub-due-to-missing-vmlinuz-and-intrd-img/134278#comment181504_134278 | 12:05 |
| weeb1e_ | peetaur2: Yeah I found instructions online and passed them on | 12:05 |
| weeb1e_ | I saw the box respond to pings while live booted, but it has not come back up since rebooting | 12:05 |
| weeb1e_ | So I assume it did not go well | 12:06 |
| sdfer | For some reason my laptop just *wont* boot grub after having installed ubuntu. It just keep booting Windows | 13:44 |
| sdfer | I've tried with and without secure boot enabled | 13:44 |
| pds_corp | hi guys, is there a tutorial regarding on how to renew a certificate for an apache server | 13:53 |
| peetaur2 | pds_corp: as long as you know where the files are, should be easy... | 13:56 |
| peetaur2 | pds_corp: the trouble is just finding the files. eg. someone in ##proxmox changed their cert and found that they had to also open a .jar file to replace the one for the VNC client too. | 13:56 |
| pds_corp | peetaur2: nope guess staring with .csr file | 13:56 |
| peetaur2 | to find the old certs, just find the config that points there | 13:56 |
| peetaur2 | and you also change the key, not just cert | 13:57 |
| peetaur2 | client needs cert, but server needs key | 13:57 |
| jamespage | o/ | 14:06 |
| gnuoy | o/ | 14:07 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, I'm looking at a package which has a change log entry that says "Rebuild to drop files installed into /usr/share/pyshared". But deb diff shows nothing relating to /usr/share/pyshared. | 14:08 |
| rharper | \o | 14:10 |
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| rharper | jamespage: last time I sent you some diffs for etc_keeper, you had some comments on them, but I wasn't what needed done next. | 14:11 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, would that be a change in the code tarball then ? | 14:11 |
| lutostag | o/ | 14:12 |
| lutostag | anyone want a autofs debdiff? | 14:12 |
| rbasak2 | o/ | 14:16 |
| rbasak2 | Sorry I'm late | 14:16 |
| coreycb_ | o/ | 14:19 |
| rbasak2 | So I have access to not very much, but I can do web, Launchpad and a shell on an Ubuntu system. | 14:19 |
| rbasak2 | So I can look at stuff as needed I hope, but I have no overlayfs, schroot or sbuild (awkward armhf system running on a vendor non-Ubuntu kernel) | 14:20 |
| rbasak2 | I will help as much as I can! | 14:20 |
| rbasak2 | Does anyone have the pad link from last time? | 14:20 |
| rbasak2 | (no IRC logs here either :( | 14:20 |
| jamespage | gnuoy, is it a python package? | 14:21 |
| rharper | rbasak2: what was the domain ? | 14:21 |
| rbasak2 | pad.ubuntu.com | 14:21 |
| rbasak2 | Like ubuntu-server or something | 14:21 |
| lutostag | http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-team-merges | 14:21 |
| rbasak2 | That's it. Thanks! | 14:21 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, no. I have it for pacemaker and moin | 14:21 |
| rharper | emelectrictx.com | 14:22 |
| rharper | huh | 14:22 |
| rharper | lutostag: has it | 14:22 |
| jamespage | gnuoy, pacemaker is python | 14:22 |
| jamespage | gnuoy, basically prior to droppnig py 2.6 python got installed to /usr/share/pyshared and then symlinked to 2.6 and 2.7 install locations | 14:22 |
| jamespage | when 2.6 got dropped things just got installed direct to 2.7 | 14:23 |
| lutostag | do sponsors here prefer debdiffs or lp branches? | 14:23 |
| coreycb_ | I wasn't here last fri, do we just pick a pkg at random? | 14:24 |
| rbasak2 | I prefer debdiffs, but am happy to work with a LP branch | 14:24 |
| rbasak2 | Though right now I don't have my gpg key to sign uploads :-/ | 14:24 |
| lutostag | thats ok, doesnt need to go thru right now; but now I'll create a bug | 14:24 |
| jamespage | lutostag, I prefer a branch personally | 14:25 |
| rbasak2 | coreycb_: yes, please pick a package at random. We're managing a list of what people are working on in http://pad.ubuntu.com/server-team-merges to avoid duplicate work. | 14:25 |
| jamespage | rharper, can't remember - that was last week! | 14:25 |
| rharper | hehe | 14:25 |
| rharper | lemme find the pastes | 14:25 |
| coreycb_ | rbasak2, will diddly do. if you know of an easy one for a first timer, let me know. | 14:26 |
| rharper | Jul 25 11:22:38 <rharper>jamespage: debian_1.12_to_1.12ubuntu1.debdiff -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7857095/ ; ubuntu_1.11ubuntu1_to_ubuntu_1.12ubuntu1.debdiff -> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7857097/ | 14:26 |
| rbasak2 | coreycb_: I only just did exim4, and it's been updated in Debian already! I know it's fairly trivial. Probably mostly educational though - we don't need it merged again as a priority, but it might be a good one to start with. | 14:28 |
| coreycb_ | rbasak2, great thanks, I'll take a look at that | 14:30 |
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| lutostag | ah so you guys want both debian(new)->ubuntu(new) and ubuntu(old)->ubuntu(new) for debdiffs? | 14:48 |
| rbasak2 | lutostag: yes, that's what sponsors generally tend to want. | 14:50 |
| rbasak2 | rbasak2: I never understood that though. I want to see debian(old) -> ubuntu(old) and compare that to debian(new) -> ubuntu(new) personally. But I can generate what I need. | 14:51 |
| lutostag | rbasak2: ok, I'll get the first half of it into bug 1351337 then; thanks | 14:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1351337 in autofs "Please merge autofs 5.0.8-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351337 | 14:51 |
| rbasak2 | It is pretty awkward when you need sponsoring. I remember it well. Different sponsors tend to want different things. I think sponsors understand this difficulty though, and are generally quite flexible, and I try to be the same. | 14:52 |
| lutostag | yeah I figure for next merge I'll do a branch with 2 commits first is debian updates, second is ubuntu fixes | 14:53 |
| jamespage | gnuoy, OK _ pacemaker uploaded - I tweaked the changelog a bit | 14:55 |
| jamespage | take a look | 14:55 |
| gnuoy | thanks | 14:56 |
| arrrghhh | Nivex, still nothing official that I can really find on "why" has 14.04.1 not been made available... | 14:59 |
| jamespage | rharper, looking now | 15:00 |
| rharper | jamespage: sure | 15:00 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, where can I see it ? | 15:01 |
| jamespage | gnuoy, you should have an email | 15:01 |
| rbasak2 | arrrghhh: it is available. It's just not automatically being recommended if anything. | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | rbasak2, semantics, but it's not here http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release-lts | 15:02 |
| arrrghhh | I realize I can get a image from the release site... that's not what I'm after :) | 15:02 |
| Nivex | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-notifier/+bug/1344762 | 15:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1344762 in update-notifier "update-notifier tells me to upgrade from 12.04.4 LTS to 14.04 LTS (because of HWE), but that release is not found" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 15:03 |
| Nivex | rbasak2: ^^ | 15:03 |
| jamespage | rharper, http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924702/ | 15:04 |
| jamespage | I'd expect a copy-paste of the previous merge comments | 15:04 |
| jamespage | and a validation that they are needed | 15:04 |
| jamespage | rharper, also note that if you are the sole change author, no need for [ Ryan Harper ] | 15:04 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, I see no email (well I see lots of email but I'm guessing you don't mean the one about the Muppet movie being available on Netflix) | 15:05 |
| gnuoy | just got it | 15:06 |
| rharper | jamespage: not following the first one -- the only patch applied is the conversion of bzr to git and the tutorial -- I don't really have a justification for that; that's just what was already done... | 15:06 |
| jamespage | rharper, that debdiff I pasted is the full diff, which includes all of the changes in the changelog | 15:06 |
| jamespage | rharper, merging is normally just about doing what we did last time and resolving any conflicts or drops | 15:07 |
| rharper | jamespage: ok -- so I posted the wrong thing ? I mean for etc keeper, the merge change just looked to me like we kept the same "use bzr by default" patch between versions | 15:11 |
| rharper | jamespage: not sure how to express that in debdiffs | 15:11 |
| jamespage | rharper, the debdiff was just fine - but your changelog entry needed updating - that's all I changed | 15:11 |
| rharper | oh -- the cut-n-paste of the previous ubuntu patch changelog | 15:12 |
| jamespage | rharper, indeed | 15:13 |
| jamespage | rharper, that's where I normally start | 15:13 |
| jamespage | copy-and-paste and then check each comment | 15:13 |
| rharper | gotcha | 15:13 |
| rharper | jamespage: so, let me update it and send you new debdiffs? | 15:13 |
| rharper | that way I know I got it right this time? | 15:14 |
| jamespage | rharper, sure | 15:17 |
| jamespage | rharper, redo the process and check against my debdiff | 15:17 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, I've thrown Bug #1351331 up as well | 15:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1351331 in moin "Please merge moin 1.9.7-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351331 | 15:18 |
| rharper | jamespage: thanks! | 15:19 |
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| coreycb_ | rbasak2, so for exim4 the only conflict is that ubuntu has additional patches in debian/patches/series | 15:31 |
| coreycb_ | rbasak2, which is kind of odd actually b/c I don't see the patches in debian/patches | 15:32 |
| gnuoy | jamespage, rbasak2, I think I'll just unassign Bug #1351331 from myself and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsor . I don't think it's controversial | 15:33 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1351331 in moin "Please merge moin 1.9.7-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351331 | 15:33 |
| rharper | jamespage: ok, if my debdiff is the same as yours on the etckeeper (with the email updated as well) -- what's next? the merge bug and attach the two debdiffs ? | 15:49 |
| jamespage | rharper, nah - I'll just upload it | 15:50 |
| rharper | jamespage: ok | 15:53 |
| qman | I'm having an issue with zfs on ubuntu server, where after a reboot, my pool has devices missing or corrupted. I'm pretty sure that zfs is just loading too quickly and my drives aren't ready, because if I export and import again, it's fine. How can I introduce some boot delay here to try and fix it? | 15:55 |
| hallyn | gnuoy: I didn't test-build or anything, but moin debdiff lgtm | 15:56 |
| jkyle | anyone have a working example of a working kickstart file for trusty/14.04 with lvm partitioning? | 16:13 |
| jkyle | the one I have keeps failing to create the volume groups | 16:14 |
| jkyle | or a working preseed expert_string, though the kickstart is way cleaner if I can get it to work | 16:16 |
| hallyn | jkyle: I don't, but pls post if you get one :) we should really have a wiki page for various preseed segments | 17:01 |
| hallyn | per-iso, probably | 17:01 |
| hallyn | (well, per-iso-style - i.e. netbookt, server iso, desktop iso) | 17:01 |
| med_ | is zul still in transit? | 17:15 |
| zul | no hes trying to recover from being in transit | 17:15 |
| jkyle | hallyn: I'm working on one. currently, I've given up on doing anything remotely not vanilla. just trying to get a standard atomic partition going. | 17:33 |
| jkyle | it'd be nice if they just ditched current installer and ported over anaconda | 17:35 |
| sarnold | histo: ah. perhaps ps is determining what to do whether or not the output is a terminal or not! that'd explain both of our experiences very quickly :) | 17:39 |
| LarsN | is there a script/utility that generates preseed configurations based on an existing system? | 17:46 |
| hallyn | jkyle: in that case, I' | 17:47 |
| hallyn | I'm using http://people.canonical.com/~serge/uquick | 17:47 |
| hallyn | gives me standard ubuntu user/password and simple disk layout | 17:47 |
| jkyle | LarsN: you can get it going with debconf-get-selections | 17:54 |
| jkyle | LarsN: but they rarely work without tweaking and usually include a whole lot of extra, unneeded (or unwanted) options | 17:55 |
| jkyle | hallyn: let me try that one, I just want a running system at this point. | 17:56 |
| hallyn | jkyle: it's based on kirkland's that he used to ship at uquick.ly or somesuch. should we create a wiki page wiki.ubuntu.com/preseeds? | 17:57 |
| jkyle | hallyn: I think they have some in ubuntu community documentaiton. just need to update with a working. this canned preseed will probably work, I was just hoping ot get it going with a kickstart | 18:00 |
| jkyle | hallyn: that preseed stops at language selection | 18:03 |
| jkyle | for me | 18:03 |
| hallyn | jkyle: the very last time i tried it just ddnt work at all, but not too long ago it was working 100% for me with a server iso | 18:04 |
| hallyn | (my machien is hammered right now, can't try atm) | 18:04 |
| LarsN | jkyle, hallyn Thanks to both of you | 18:05 |
| jkyle | there's a lot to like about debian, but it's installer isn't one. what's frustrating is this has been a trivial process for ages in most distros | 18:06 |
| hallyn | jkyle: in principle it should be nice to use; i don't know why it's so hit-or-miss, and yes it's horribly frustrating :( | 18:07 |
| inv3nt0r | I'm attempting to upgrade my Ubuntu 12 server to Ubuntu 14 using the do-release-upgrade method, and getting 404 errors for the 'Upgrade tool signature' and the 'Upgrade tool' | 18:20 |
| inv3nt0r | Any thoughts? | 18:20 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | i just got here myself a min ago - looks like none here | 18:24 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | i just found this inv3nt0r http://askubuntu.com/questions/65911/how-can-i-fix-a-404-error-when-updating-packages | 18:26 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | and this inv3nt0r http://askubuntu.com/questions/462326/upgrade-ubuntu-server-11-04-signature-error | 18:26 |
| inv3nt0r | Thanks | 18:27 |
| patdk-wk | why post something about 11.04? that has been unsupported for years | 18:27 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | yeah inv3nt0r it's what i thought - you could write a list of your manual upgrades you have done - and then i think you could also make a boot disk with al you r current settings just in case you need to go back to 12 for some reason, but looks lik einstalling a new version of 14 might be your best bet | 18:28 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | does this help inv3nt0r https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+question/251853 | 18:29 |
| inv3nt0r | Crappity. | 18:29 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | I found this one - it looks prmiosing, that's all i got inv3nt0r best of luck http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-upgrade-to-ubuntu-14-04-from-ubuntu-13-10-or-12-04/ | 18:29 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | *pro... | 18:30 |
| inv3nt0r | Hmm | 18:32 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | anything ring a bell or help you see whats wrong inv3nt0r ? | 18:32 |
| inv3nt0r | Well | 18:32 |
| inv3nt0r | I'm jhaving mixed results | 18:32 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | well best of luck man :) | 18:33 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | or woman - idk what kind of inv3nt0r you are :P | 18:33 |
| * inv3nt0r = man | 18:34 | |
| mov_agn_ntrl | same here dude | 18:34 |
| inv3nt0r | Haha | 18:34 |
| inv3nt0r | Well | 18:34 |
| inv3nt0r | Maybe I don't need to upgrade | 18:34 |
| inv3nt0r | This server won't be my problem after 5 more work days | 18:34 |
| inv3nt0r | I hate to leave something broken behind though... | 18:35 |
| inv3nt0r | Right now I cant even apt-get install zip | 18:35 |
| inv3nt0r | So | 18:35 |
| inv3nt0r | I guess I can do a deb install | 18:35 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | you could always do the complete download and install on a partitioned area of disk - so if soehting goes wrong, you can go back? but isnt 12 almost out of service? | 18:35 |
| inv3nt0r | It appears that way, thus why I cant even install zip support :) | 18:37 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | what is zip support? | 18:41 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | the only reason i ever use zip files anymore is to compress a folder and send it by email, but most people that receive it still dont know what to do | 18:42 |
| patdk-wk | oh? you can send zip via email without it being rejected? :) | 18:43 |
| user123321 | What kind of settings might I need to check for HAProxy and Keepalived for reducing the delay in case of an IP fail over? | 18:47 |
| andol | user123321: If nothing else the healthchecker interval matters. | 18:47 |
| * inv3nt0r gives himself a pat on the back | 18:48 | |
| user123321 | andol, cool. | 18:48 |
| inv3nt0r | Looks like zip_3.0-6 is not in the repository, but luckily 3.0-4 was so I installed it via dpkg | 18:48 |
| andol | user123321: Well, except that I might have answered the wrong question :) The healthchecker is really about detecting broken backends, no for failing over the actual HA frontend. | 18:50 |
| user123321 | Aha | 18:51 |
| patdk-wk | heh? | 18:52 |
| patdk-wk | keepalived can failover the frontend easily | 18:52 |
| andol | patdk-wk: Yes, but were refering to the keepalived healthchecker specifially, which might not have been relevant gives user123321's question. | 18:52 |
| patdk-wk | well, if he is using haproxy, keepalived shouldn't be checking backends | 18:53 |
| patdk-wk | but only the haproxy frontend | 18:53 |
| patdk-wk | and failingover based on that | 18:53 |
| andol | Another point in favor of my answering the wrong quetsion :) | 18:54 |
| user123321 | Right now, I have Keepalived1+Haproxy+web server in one VM, and Keepalived2+Haproxy2+web server in another VM. If I fail one VM, my browser waits some seconds. | 18:54 |
| patdk-wk | it takes time | 18:55 |
| patdk-wk | you have many issues there | 18:55 |
| patdk-wk | you have how long it takes for haproxy to detect a bad backend | 18:55 |
| patdk-wk | you have the mount of time it takes keepalive to detect a bad haproxy | 18:55 |
| patdk-wk | and you have the time it takes for move the ip to the good one | 18:55 |
| patdk-wk | and it doesn't sound like you have the time for it takes to enact stonith/fencing | 18:56 |
| user123321 | Any ideas to reduce? | 18:56 |
| patdk-wk | that would require me to learn keepalived, not something I have ever liked | 18:56 |
| patdk-wk | I'll stick with corosync | 18:56 |
| user123321 | Aha | 18:56 |
| patdk-wk | but still, no matter what, it will be a few seconds :) | 18:57 |
| patdk-wk | at best, likely 2seconds | 18:57 |
| inv3nt0r | mov_agn_ntrl: I needed to create a .zip file for a Windows user who would never in a million years figured out how to open a .tar.gz | 18:57 |
| patdk-wk | use 7zip :) | 18:58 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | oh. .tar.gz? i never heard of it but i would probably get a non-malware program to open in in a few mionutes form a download site like download.com etc | 18:58 |
| mov_agn_ntrl | idk though, i just dont zip files anymore | 18:58 |
| user123321 | patdk-wk, is it really impossible to make it like, 0.1 seconds? I'm thinking like, "just ping and if no response, redirect to the other or something" :p | 18:58 |
| inv3nt0r | Believe me, I'd have them use something more advanced but they would eff up, and install scumware from CNET | 18:59 |
| patdk-wk | heh? how is that going work? | 18:59 |
| patdk-wk | how can you redirect, if it's dead | 18:59 |
| patdk-wk | you have to bring the ip up online | 19:00 |
| user123321 | redirect to the live server. | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | and you have to update the mac caches on everything upstream | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | you can't redirect | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | this is ip, not http | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | there is no redirect | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | how would a dead server redirect? | 19:00 |
| user123321 | umm I mean, something like redirect :d | 19:00 |
| patdk-wk | nothing like a redirect! | 19:00 |
| user123321 | dead server doesn't do anything, right? So, if the live server could see that the other server is dead, can't it become active quickly? | 19:01 |
| patdk-wk | the issue is, detecting if it is dead in .1 second isn't normally trivial | 19:02 |
| patdk-wk | and if you ACTIVATE it | 19:02 |
| patdk-wk | and the other server is not dead, you have issues | 19:02 |
| user123321 | if the live server pings the dead server, if the response isn't received within 0.05 seconds? | 19:03 |
| user123321 | I'm actually thinking about whatever the settings that could do it quickly ;) | 19:04 |
| patdk-wk | you really think that *dead server* is never going be overloaded | 19:04 |
| patdk-wk | due to like *php* load | 19:04 |
| patdk-wk | or a disk going bad | 19:04 |
| user123321 | I see, so, during the transition period, let's assume, 2 seconds. If, during this time, if 1000 new connections are requested by clients, what would happen? | 19:05 |
| user123321 | will they get no connection error in any case | 19:06 |
| user123321 | or just getting response in 2 seconds? | 19:06 |
| user123321 | let's make it maximum, 1 million etc. | 19:07 |
| patdk-wk | it's tcp | 19:07 |
| patdk-wk | and it will depend on many things | 19:07 |
| user123321 | what if both http and tcp | 19:07 |
| patdk-wk | likely, it will just wait 2seconds before it connects | 19:07 |
| user123321 | I see | 19:08 |
| patdk-wk | if it was keepalive, they will get a connection reset, and maybe it tries again | 19:08 |
| patdk-wk | what od you mean both http and tcp | 19:08 |
| patdk-wk | there is only TCP/ip | 19:08 |
| patdk-wk | http is not a transit layer protocol | 19:08 |
| user123321 | Oh I meant, apache etc. | 19:08 |
| patdk-wk | user123321, before attempting ANY of this | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | learn about the iso model, and about ip/tcp | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | what does apache have to do with it? that is even LESS than http does | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | and http has NOTHING to do with it | 19:09 |
| user123321 | umm, there's layer 7 LB. | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | haproxy is a layter 7 lb | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | but we aren't talking about that | 19:09 |
| patdk-wk | we are talkg about BEFORE haproxy | 19:10 |
| patdk-wk | last I knew, keepalive was not a layer 7 lb | 19:10 |
| patdk-wk | or even ANY lb at all | 19:10 |
| user123321 | that i'm not sure, I thought keepalived just made the 2 LB's highly available. | 19:11 |
| patdk-wk | yes | 19:12 |
| patdk-wk | and if we are attempting to make the lb high available, how can we do that using a layer 7 lb? | 19:12 |
| user123321 | regarding apache, during the fail over, my browser says "connecting" and eventually connected. | 19:12 |
| patdk-wk | you can't protect something using itself | 19:12 |
| patdk-wk | why does apache matter? | 19:12 |
| patdk-wk | you -> internet -> isp -> keepalived -> haproxy -> apache | 19:13 |
| patdk-wk | if it's broken at the keepalived layer (server died, ip broken, ...) | 19:13 |
| patdk-wk | how does apache matter at all? | 19:13 |
| user123321 | Well I didn't get a connection reset. | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | you sure? | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | that would happen i nthe background | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | and depend on EXACT TIMING | 19:14 |
| user123321 | yeah, tried many times. | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | if you are already connected to the first server | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | and it dies | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | you failover ip to second one | 19:14 |
| patdk-wk | second one will see packet but won't have session state for it, and respond with a reset/denied | 19:15 |
| user123321 | Oh, the failover while downloading data. I suspect that would reset. | 19:15 |
| user123321 | btw, any suggestions for haproxy settings that would reduce delay? | 19:16 |
| patdk-wk | I don't use haproxy | 19:16 |
| patdk-wk | I don't see a need to use to double up like that | 19:16 |
| user123321 | Ah | 19:16 |
| user123321 | what do you use? | 19:17 |
| patdk-wk | ipvs | 19:17 |
| user123321 | I see | 19:17 |
| user123321 | What's the failover delay in your case? | 19:18 |
| patdk-wk | around 15seconds | 19:18 |
| user123321 | ok | 19:18 |
| patdk-wk | if the balancer where to die | 19:18 |
| patdk-wk | it takes a long time to bring up that many ip addresses | 19:19 |
| patdk-wk | if a backend dies? <1second | 19:19 |
| user123321 | Cool | 19:19 |
| patdk-wk | I have only had the balancer die once in 4 years | 19:19 |
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| user123321 | how many balancers you've got? | 19:20 |
| patdk-wk | 2 | 19:21 |
| patdk-wk | one active, one passive | 19:21 |
| user123321 | Aha | 19:22 |
| user123321 | patdk-wk, Is it sensible to install servers in the load balancing machine? Is it usually the practice to dedicate a separate computer only for a load balancer? | 19:27 |
| patdk-wk | that depends on scale | 19:29 |
| patdk-wk | using the same machine, makes it slower to failover | 19:30 |
| patdk-wk | but using dedicated onces takes more resources | 19:30 |
| user123321 | Cool | 19:31 |
| user123321 | patdk-wk, what's your suggestion for load balancing and making highly available between, let's say, only 2 servers? Should I get 2 separate LB's or..? | 20:08 |
| user123321 | What would be my options? | 20:09 |
| flubby_nanabo | So, If I wanna run a script on startup, but it's supposed to run only once, and exit, should I put it on rc.local, or make it a service on /etc/init (or init.d)? | 20:56 |
| sarnold | flubby_nanabo: I'd do an upstart service, might as well make it integrate easily with the other tools. cron's @reboot might be handy if it is a user-script instead of system-script | 21:17 |
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| Patrickdk | sarnold, please :) | 21:23 |
| Patrickdk | at this point, I wouldn't recommend upstart anymore, but systemd | 21:23 |
| Patrickdk | considering upstart is being removed | 21:23 |
| sarnold | Patrickdk: except he isn't running systemd today, and he isn't running systemd tomorrow. | 21:24 |
| * Patrickdk still needs to redo his | 21:24 | |
| Patrickdk | well then :) | 21:24 |
| Patrickdk | if he has 14.04 he could be running systemd today | 21:24 |
| sarnold | Patrickdk: maybe if he upgrades to 14.10 and if pitti goes bonkers, -maybe-.... | 21:24 |
| rberg_ | this is how I do a first boot scrip in rc.local http://paste.ubuntu.com/7927450/ | 21:24 |
| flubby_nanabo | I do have 14.04, but I am using the ubuntu-upstart docker image, so, I guess I'm sort of stuck with upstart for now | 21:26 |
| Patrickdk | :) | 21:27 |
| flubby_nanabo | Patrickdk, upstart is being deprecated? I thought it was the new shinny thing ... | 21:27 |
| Patrickdk | I just hate to write something, that I will have to rewrite | 21:27 |
| Patrickdk | itwas, back in 12.04? | 21:27 |
| Patrickdk | but debian went systemd, and ubuntu opted to not fight it | 21:27 |
| flubby_nanabo | Patrickdk, I need a docker image with a init system that the puppetlabs-mysql puppet module understands, and the ubuntu-upstart was the only one I could find, so, I don't see myself rewriting it any time soon | 21:28 |
| Patrickdk | :) | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | odd | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | actually, you should be able to in a few months | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | with rhel7 out, using systemd | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | and debian too | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | that should be around soon | 21:29 |
| Patrickdk | no worries though | 21:29 |
| flubby_nanabo | Patrickdk, I'm not planning on ditching ubuntu, with works pretty well, and I don't have experience with rpm distros. | 21:30 |
| flubby_nanabo | *it owrks | 21:30 |
| flubby_nanabo | *it works | 21:30 |
| flubby_nanabo | damn fingers! | 21:30 |
| Patrickdk | I mean, the pupplet-mysql-for-systemd should be out soon | 21:30 |
| flubby_nanabo | Patrickdk, Oh, that. | 21:30 |
| flubby_nanabo | I should probably take a look at the code, see if there's any changes in some new release | 21:31 |
| flubby_nanabo | IIRC, last time I checked it just either used upstart, or just failed when starting the services | 21:31 |
| bilde2910 | Hello! I have a laptop with Ubuntu 14.04 server, as the main server for my website. Earlier today, the server got disconnected, seemingly without reason. I tried restarting the machine, but the network does not go up. Running ifconfig only shows loopback interface lo, `sudo lshw -C network' lists the interface em1 (the ethernet interface) as "*-network DISABLED". Card is an RTL8101E/RTL8102E PCI Express Fast Ethernet | 21:39 |
| bilde2910 | Controller". Any help resolving this? I need to get the machine online as fast as possible because thousands of users of my web services are unable to connect to the website | 21:39 |
| bilde2910 | I furthermore tried to sudo dhclient em1, which brought the interface up with DHCP. It gives the wrong IP, therefore breaking port forwarding rules. sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart doesn't output anything, `sudo ifdown em0 && sudo ifup em1' gives errors: "ifdown: interface em1 not configured", "RTNETLINK answers: File exists" and "Failed to bring up em1". | 21:41 |
| markthomas | Does anyone know if it's possible to configure network bonding via preseed? | 21:45 |
| zartoosh | hi I am using ubuntu 14.04. I keep observing this in my /var/log/messages init: upstart-file-bridge main process ended, respawning | 22:51 |
| jaawerth | zartoosh: does it coincide with wifi connectivity problems by any chance? | 23:05 |
| jaawerth | zartoosh: if so, this may be relevant http://askubuntu.com/questions/259530/why-does-my-wifi-internet-intermittently-disappear | 23:08 |
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