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| charles | nik90, FYI I updated the haptic feedback property @ https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1350017-haptic-feedback-for-alarms/+merge/229144 | 00:19 |
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| nik90 | charles: thnx, will take a look in the morning | 00:26 |
| K1773R | can you remote control the UI from a PC? | 00:33 |
| diego_ | hi guys i cant get run ubuntu-emulator | 00:39 |
| diego_ | hi, can u help me? | 00:40 |
| Elleo | mandel: sorry, was on holiday today; will give it a test first thing in the morning | 00:46 |
| Elleo | kenvandine: we're waiting on a reworking of the context menu system to give us the info we need to do downloads like that properly (currently we don't have access to mimetype, etc.) | 00:47 |
| diego_ | hello? | 00:51 |
| lotuspsychje | nice work on the new touch update guys!!! | 01:47 |
| lotuspsychje | looking neat | 01:47 |
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| twagner | hello | 02:17 |
| lotuspsychje | twagner: hi | 02:17 |
| twagner | anyone here a porting guru? | 02:17 |
| lotuspsychje | twagner: wich device are you trying touch on? | 02:18 |
| twagner | Asus tf201 | 02:18 |
| lotuspsychje | twagner: check XDA forums for your device port | 02:19 |
| lotuspsychje | for now ubuntu touch works best on nexus devices | 02:19 |
| twagner | yeah, the guy working on it at xda is me :) | 02:19 |
| lotuspsychje | lolz | 02:20 |
| lotuspsychje | i bought me a nexus7 2013 specially for ubuntu touch | 02:20 |
| twagner | so I'm trying to clarify the porting guide now that we are moving to the flipped model | 02:21 |
| lotuspsychje | twagner: maybe when meizu and bq phones release, more devices will install more easily in the future? | 02:21 |
| twagner | maybe, I was able to boot a tf300t port with limited hardware working | 02:23 |
| twagner | so I decided to build for the tf201 | 02:23 |
| twagner | but the source has moved to a flipped model and the guide seems to be behind | 02:24 |
| twagner | so I was hoping someone here could clarify what needs to happen with the compiled files | 02:25 |
| lotuspsychje | twagner: did you see this1? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaT5JsZQQyU | 02:25 |
| twagner | before the flip I would replace the system partition with the system.IMG file I compiled and the roots was just in /data/ubuntu | 02:26 |
| twagner | rootfs | 02:26 |
| lotuspsychje | well cant help you with that, not really a dev myself | 02:26 |
| twagner | no worries | 02:27 |
| twagner | so...any porting guru's out there? | 02:31 |
| mhall119 | bzoltan: zbenjamin: when one of you gets in, can https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1349586 please be triaged and assigned | 03:09 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1349586 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Creating a scope project with uppercase characters cause apparmor profile mismatch" [Undecided,New] | 03:09 |
| slangasek | rsalveti: why have the non-EDGE skins been dropped from the ubuntu-emulator-runtime package? | 03:14 |
| rsalveti | slangasek: afaik they are still there | 03:14 |
| slangasek | rsalveti: oh; they haven't, they're just in a different path that's not being found, hmmm | 03:14 |
| rsalveti | I got a bunch of skins here | 03:14 |
| rsalveti | hm, right | 03:15 |
| slangasek | rsalveti: does --skin= work for you? | 03:15 |
| rsalveti | let me try | 03:15 |
| rsalveti | maybe that got broken once we did the switch to edge | 03:15 |
| slangasek | that switch was a long time ago | 03:16 |
| slangasek | and --skin has worked since then, it's because of EDGE that I use it ;) | 03:16 |
| slangasek | oh - nevermind | 03:16 |
| rsalveti | hm, worked fine here | 03:16 |
| slangasek | the selected skin *is* being used | 03:16 |
| slangasek | but the window got taller for some other reason | 03:16 |
| doflaherty | I just got a qtcreator update - is there an explanation somewhere of how Kits work? | 03:19 |
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| AskUbuntu | I need the source code to build a ubuntu phone rom for the moto x | http://askubuntu.com/q/505282 | 03:35 |
| lotuspsychje | !devices | 03:50 |
| ubot5 | You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices | 03:50 |
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| dholbach | good morning | 06:36 |
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| pitti | sil2100: is https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.utopic-qtcomp/+merge/226441 something which shoudl land now? (looking at it as part of my sponsoring shift) | 07:11 |
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| pitti | sil2100: nevermind, it was already seeded | 08:12 |
| mterry | Elleo, hello! I want to add a HapticsEffect to the greeter, much like you have in ubuntu-keyboard. But it doesn't *seem* to be doing anything. Is there some permission I need to enable to be able to use the actuators or some setup or something? | 08:15 |
| Elleo | mterry: not that I'm aware of, but iirc bfiller did the initial implementation of that for the keyboard, so there may have been something extra he did that I'm unaware of | 08:22 |
| Elleo | that said AbstractButton in the SDK should use it in any app really, so I'd imagine there can't be anything extra needed | 08:23 |
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| Chipaca | MacSlow: ping | 08:24 |
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| MacSlow | Chipaca, yup? | 08:35 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: mpt told me yesterday you told dferri that apps can't trigger vibrations as notifications | 08:36 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: you told me that too | 08:36 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, correct... that's not possible currently. | 08:37 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: i'd like a little bit of context as to when and where and how you said that, because for some contexts you're misinformed :) | 08:37 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: given that the postal service currently exposes a way for an application to request a notification be presented to the user as a notification | 08:38 |
| JamesTait | Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Wide Web Day! :-D | 08:38 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: now, having said that, an application can't itself vibrate the device | 08:39 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: so, depending on the context, you might've been right | 08:39 |
| Chipaca | JamesTait: ! :) | 08:40 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: but if you understand an application as more than the .desktop-toting window-having thing, then it's wrong | 08:40 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, the notifications (as in lp:unity-notifications and the notification-renderer in unity8) do not have the ability to trigger any haptic feedback. | 08:41 |
| JamesTait | Chipaca, I'm spoiled for choice today - happy International Beer Day, too. ;) | 08:41 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: that is correct, nor should they | 08:41 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, that's what I've been asked yesterday and what I answered to :) | 08:41 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: but the postal service, which transforms push messages into postal messages and notifications, does | 08:42 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: i suspected as much :) | 08:42 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: I suspect that the postal service is the thing that you thought was "on the drawing board" though | 08:42 |
| Chipaca | and it's right in there as part of the push notifications client-side daemon | 08:43 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, the initial idea (similar to the sound-hint in notifications currently) was to also trigger haptic feedback through the notification-system to ensure a correct synchronization between notification-display and haptic-feedback (from the same process) | 08:43 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, but the push notifications are different from the "regular" (via libnotify) notifications | 08:45 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: but we're talking notifications as in unity-notifications, yes? | 08:45 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, I thought so... at least that's what the question yesterday sounded like | 08:45 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: (i didn't know about the sound hint for that, but not all notifications end in a "bubble", so better that we have sounds go their own way) | 08:46 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: i do see your point about coordination though | 08:46 |
| Chipaca | JamesTait: is that an international day for beer, or a day for international beers? | 08:46 |
| JamesTait | Chipaca, yes! | 08:46 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, there is no (libnotify) notification that is presented without a visual representation | 08:47 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: this is the problem, and why i usually try to specify which kind of notification i mean when i say notification :) | 08:47 |
| JamesTait | Chipaca, let's say an international day for international beers. ;) | 08:47 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: not all postal notifications have a visual libnotify ("popup" or "bubble") notification | 08:48 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, terminology needs a better distinction between "push notification" (non-libnotify) and "regular" notification (libnotify) | 08:48 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: hah. a push notification and a postal notification are different things again | 08:49 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: and then there are things that are also push notifications but not the ones we handle (from the phone stack) | 08:49 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: so, yeah, terminology is a problem. | 08:49 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: i'm trying to call the things we deal with "push messages", "postal messages" and "postal notifications" | 08:50 |
| * mpt mulls the phrase “a notification be presented to the user as a notification” | 08:50 | |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: where an app-provided push helper transforms a push message (sent by the app's server to the phone via the push server) into a postal message (that gets queued in a mailbox for the app) and a postal notification (that is presented (or not, according to some rules) to the user as a libnotify bubble, a messaging menu entry, an emblem counter, a vibration, and/or a sound) | 08:51 |
| mpt | Maybe we need a Venn diagram here | 08:51 |
| Chipaca | mpt: or a venn notification! | 08:52 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, with "postal" you mean a notification triggered (by the telephony-stack) for a SMS or eMail?! | 08:52 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, an issued via libnotify?! | 08:52 |
| Chipaca | it's notifications all the way down. They're all different though so that's ok. | 08:52 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: no, "postal" because it's part of the "postal service" | 08:52 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: we don't (yet) deal with telephony-stack push notifications; if we did, those would be use to pull the phone out of deep sleep, no more | 08:53 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: mpt: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/ | 08:54 |
| Chipaca | that diagram could use some work, but it's what we've managed to produce thus far | 08:56 |
| Chipaca | (the diagram hasn't been updated wrt naming things to disambiguate the mess, so it might not help much at all compared to the text) | 08:57 |
| Chipaca | anyway. | 08:57 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: mpt: hopefully this has helped clear up what you were talking about yesterday? (or at least made you aware of the difference between the things you two were talking about?) | 08:57 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, so... now you want libnotify-based notifications to provide the haptic-feedback too?! I remember that "we" wanted a haptic-feedback theme (instead of that integer-pattern field) there's nothing of that sort yet iirc. | 09:01 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: ... | 09:01 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: no, I don't. | 09:01 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, ok... good :) | 09:02 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: in fact, i also think sounds shouldn't be part of libnotify | 09:03 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: i would like libnotify to expose (if it doesn't already -- i haven't looked (!) ) when a notification is "shown" on screen, so we can coordinate the sounds and haptic with that | 09:04 |
| Chipaca | right now, there can be uncoordination between those things | 09:04 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, that's the only way to ensure synchronized playback in an easy way... without that additional layer of communication | 09:04 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: but afaik it isn't urgent | 09:05 |
| mpt | Chipaca, so if an app issues a push notification that consists only of sound, and the phone is in Silent Mode, do you get nothing? | 09:05 |
| Chipaca | mpt: yes | 09:05 |
| mpt | Or if an app issues a push notification that consists only of vibration, and the phone has vibrations turned off | 09:05 |
| Chipaca | mpt: yes | 09:05 |
| mpt | That seems like unfortunate API design | 09:05 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, yeah... certainly something that's for later... don't have any free slots to put that in atm | 09:05 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: no worries | 09:05 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, I'm happy to see you've exposed the secondary-icon feature there! | 09:06 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: we also came this close to being able to expose snap decisions, but it's a mess wrt messaging menu support so we dropped it | 09:07 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, I had to patch several apps to use the secondary-icon for their notifications to comply with designs already | 09:07 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, regarding snap-decision notifications... there's a visual overhaul and button-layout extension in the pipe currently... just for the record. | 09:08 |
| Chipaca | mpt: it exposes what the phone will do directly to the application developer | 09:08 |
| Chipaca | mpt: the alternative is to add a lot more semantics, but leave the developer less in control of what happens | 09:08 |
| Chipaca | mpt: i believe handing over control is better in this case | 09:09 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: for libnotify, for messaging menu, for both? | 09:09 |
| MacSlow | Chipaca, I only deal with libnotify | 09:09 |
| mpt | Chipaca, not if 99% of the time when you issue a sound you want a vibration as the Silent-Mode equivalent. | 09:09 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: lucky, lucky you | 09:09 |
| Chipaca | MacSlow: I've described some of the push's team work as dying a death of a hundred impedance mismatches | 09:10 |
| mterry | jdstrand, is there any apparmor policy or similar lockdown that would prevent unity8 from using the actuators to produce a rumble effect? | 09:11 |
| Chipaca | mpt: getting the 99% stories right and working, and also exposing the guts for the 1%, is a lot more work than we could've got in for this first iteration | 09:11 |
| Chipaca | mpt: i expect we'll have a nice juicy list of 99% stories for the next iteration, and we'll have a fully working stack to build them on :) | 09:11 |
| Chipaca | mpt: in your "vibrate instead of playing a sound if in silent mode" 99% case, what happens if they also have vibrations off? | 09:15 |
| mpt | Chipaca, that’s partly why I wasn’t intending to make vibration optional at all, but gventuri has been nagging me about it | 09:16 |
| Chipaca | mpt: you mean, not be able to turn off vibrations? | 09:17 |
| mpt | Chipaca, correct | 09:17 |
| Chipaca | that would be bad, imho | 09:17 |
| Chipaca | but then maybe i'm the 1% | 09:17 |
| Chipaca | there have often been situations in my life where the vibration was also too loud and i turned it off too | 09:18 |
| Chipaca | thinking of some meetings and some paternal duties | 09:18 |
| mpt | Yeah. With those kind of situations I put iOS into Airplane Mode, but that’s a bit of a blunt instrument :) | 09:20 |
| gventuri | mpt: Chipaca: I've been nagging about vibrations? I was not aware of that ;-) | 09:28 |
| Chipaca | gventuri: depends what direction you're nagging in tho :) | 09:29 |
| mpt | gventuri, hyperbole, but you did ask about them on Wednesday | 09:29 |
| gventuri | mpt: Chipaca: I believe in general we should have a good default (e.g. sound & vibration); then if people want to switch it on/off they should be able to do so | 09:30 |
| gventuri | mpt: Chipaca: that's kind of obvious of course | 09:30 |
| mpt | gventuri, well, it isn’t … The current API is that apps ask for each of those things individually | 09:30 |
| gventuri | mpt: right | 09:31 |
| gventuri | mpt: I see what you mean | 09:31 |
| gventuri | mpt: so each app has it's own switch | 09:32 |
| gventuri | I wouldn't mind having a general switch in Settings | 09:32 |
| gventuri | it doesn't have to be prominent | 09:32 |
| gventuri | but it should be there | 09:33 |
| mpt | gventuri, we can still have global switches in System Settings, but there’s no fallback. If an app asked for sound-only and you’re in Silent Mode you won’t get a vibration instead, and vice versa | 09:33 |
| Chipaca | again, i need to ask: if the app only uses a sound for feedback, and we turn off sounds, moving to vibrate doesn't help | 09:36 |
| * Chipaca wonders at what point his brain turned from asking to telling | 09:36 | |
| mpt | Chipaca, why wouldn’t it? | 09:39 |
| mpt | Chipaca, do you think Silent Mode should suppress vibrations too on the grounds that they’re a bit noisy? | 09:39 |
| gventuri | mpt: I've don some work for 'Sound' Meego in the past, I wouldn't mind sharing it with you | 09:39 |
| mpt | gventuri, that would be cool | 09:39 |
| gventuri | sound settings I mean | 09:40 |
| Chipaca | mpt: so, there are two scenarios | 09:40 |
| gventuri | and on screen | 09:40 |
| Chipaca | let me re-start that | 09:40 |
| Chipaca | in the situation where an application developer is only using a sound to present a notification | 09:40 |
| Chipaca | there are two possibilities | 09:40 |
| Chipaca | either it is an ephemeral, transient, and low-importance thing, where losing that notification is not a big deal, so if you switch off sounds it's no big deal to not find out | 09:41 |
| Chipaca | or it's something important, and it should be leaving a persistent thing as well as the ephemeral one | 09:41 |
| Chipaca | in which case losing the sound does not lose the notification | 09:42 |
| Chipaca | in most cases the application developer will know whether their notifications are the one or the other | 09:42 |
| Chipaca | in some cases, a user will disagree and want to turn the importance of something down | 09:43 |
| Chipaca | and that's covered by settings already | 09:43 |
| Chipaca | so i'm happy | 09:43 |
| Chipaca | (*) i know there are less-than-ideal things going on, but i think we've enabled people that care to get it right to get it right. We can make it easier in general for the common cases, down the road. | 09:44 |
| Chipaca | (**) by "covered by settings" i mean the design; the code hasn't landed yet | 09:44 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, poke when you're around about password delays -- design wants them as little as possible, even the normal 1s-per-login-attemp delay (i.e. nodelay option to pam_unix) | 10:18 |
| mterry_ | So I'm relaying a question from them about the minimum allowed delay configuration :) | 10:18 |
| Elleo | mandel: tested the content disposition filename stuff, all seems to be working correctly getting much better output from gmail now, so should fix ahayzen's issues too :) | 10:30 |
| mandel | Elleo, great news! | 10:30 |
| mandel | Elleo, if he gives the +1 Ill request a silo | 10:30 |
| Elleo | mandel: great | 10:31 |
| mandel | popey, ^^ so if you guys at any point get the feedback I'll try to land the fix asap | 10:33 |
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| bzoltan1 | mterry_: ping | 11:04 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, hello! | 11:05 |
| bzoltan1 | mterry_: I tried to set the passphrase in the Settings | 11:05 |
| bzoltan1 | mterry_: I got "Internal error: user not loaded" | 11:05 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, :-/ | 11:06 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, I've not seen that error | 11:06 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, have you done an apt-get dist-upgrade recently? | 11:06 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, like manually on the terminal? | 11:06 |
| bzoltan1 | mterry_: no, it is a fresh flash | 11:07 |
| ogra_ | well, it is writable since you installed my adbd package :) | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | mterry_, did you test what happens if you call passwd n a writable image ? | 11:08 |
| bzoltan1 | mterry_: yes, as ogra_ says | 11:08 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, if you phablet-shell in, can you call passwd correctly? | 11:08 |
| ogra_ | it might just write to /etc/passwd by accident or some such when setting the pw | 11:09 |
| mterry_ | ogra_, yeah, that's what I'm normally running | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | ah, k | 11:09 |
| mterry_ | ogra_, pam_extrausers is listed first in pam.d, so we should try that first when setting | 11:09 |
| ogra_ | yeah, sounds fine | 11:09 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: mterry_: Ok.. no I have ogra's deb installed, a real password set... how I see the device with adb? | 11:14 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan1, got developer mode enabled in the UI ? | 11:14 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: yes | 11:14 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, then I think it should just work | 11:15 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:15 |
| bzoltan1 | mterry_: well, it does not :) | 11:17 |
| mterry_ | bzoltan1, debugging that might be more in ogra_'s realm, especially if you're testing some new adbd binary | 11:18 |
| ogra_ | is it listed in adb devices ? | 11:18 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: no | 11:19 |
| ogra_ | that doesnt look like developer mode is on at all | 11:19 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: it is on | 11:20 |
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| ogra_ | bzoltan1, getprop persist.sys.usb.config | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | does that list adb | 11:21 |
| ogra_ | (on the device) | 11:21 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_:ntp, adb | 11:23 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 11:23 |
| ogra_ | and is adbd running ? | 11:23 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: hi | 11:24 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, hello | 11:24 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: you mean for the first 5 tries? | 11:24 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: no | 11:25 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, so I was talking to Olga and there were two things she would have liked: (1) raising the number of tries higher than 5 before triggering a delay and (2) adding the nodelay option to pam_extrausers (she didn't phrase it like that, but she didn't like the forced second delay from pam) | 11:25 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, removing nodelay means that you can more easily brute-force pam though, since the 5-failure delay is just UI-side | 11:26 |
| mterry_ | *adding nodealy | 11:26 |
| mterry_ | *delay | 11:26 |
| mterry_ | :) | 11:26 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: meh, you can just drop the connection after a couple of milliseconds and try again | 11:26 |
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| ogra_ | bzoltan1, check /var/log/upstart/android-tools-adbd.log | 11:26 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, oh so what is the delay even for? | 11:26 |
| ogra_ | why it didnt start on boot | 11:26 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: well, it does help, but it's not a great help :) | 11:27 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: this is the ios delay periods: http://cinnamonthoughts.org/2010/09/13/ios-passcode-waiting-intervals-for-failed-attempts/ | 11:27 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, well wait -- you wait for the delay to see if you succeed | 11:27 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: like typing that much? | 11:27 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, so you couldn't drop connection, because you might have hit the right password | 11:27 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: so for 6 tries, it's locked for a minute, and 7 tries, it's locked for 5 minutes | 11:27 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: yes, but the right password returns success right away | 11:28 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, oh | 11:28 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan1, you know that double tap in the terminal app mimics the tab key, right ? | 11:28 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: I'm ok with removing the delay...but how much higher than 5 did she want it? | 11:28 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, olga randomly floated 10 failures, but I'm not sure she's got a specific number in mind | 11:28 |
| * bzoltan1 hugs ogra_ | 11:28 | |
| ogra_ | :) | 11:28 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: so 7 is good on ios, sound like it could be good for us too | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | why not 10 ? | 11:29 |
| ogra_ | its a more round number :) | 11:29 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, so 7 failures, we lock for 5 minutes | 11:29 |
| mdeslaur | ogra_: I dunno, I feel even 7 is high...if I see you do a pattern on your phone, I can try a bunch of times to get it right | 11:30 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:30 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: ehhh.... adb does not like my phablet passwd ... it is passwd | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | lol | 11:32 |
| mdeslaur | that being said, I don't care enough to debate this...if people feel strongly that it should be more than 5, rather it be 7 or 10, I don't really care...my preference is 5, then 7, then 10 | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | right, i should have told you | 11:32 |
| ogra_ | if your passwd matches the username or is passwd adbd will refuse to start | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | and indeed if it is empty | 11:33 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: all right... now reboot and let's see | 11:33 |
| ogra_ | yeah | 11:33 |
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| ogra_ | the final package wont need a reboot, it will just be tied to the usb setting | 11:34 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, I don't think Olga has a specific number in mind, although she would probably prefer we don't do it at all. (though I don't want to speak for her, just the impression I got). She cared more about the nodelay option. So I told her I'd ask you for a number recommendation | 11:35 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, I'll see what she says about 5, 7, 10 and see if she doesn't really care | 11:36 |
| mterry_ | Softened by the nodelay boon | 11:36 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 11:36 |
| mterry_ | 5 min delay though? Man, I had heard 5 sec before. :) Big difference | 11:36 |
| mterry_ | heard == misheard | 11:36 |
| * ogra_ bets olga just uses dice | 11:36 | |
| ogra_ | oh, wait ... but that qould be a 7 sided dice then :P | 11:37 |
| ogra_ | *would | 11:37 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: as I designer, I would want a button on the lock screen that would enter my pin for me | 11:37 |
| mdeslaur | ;) | 11:37 |
| ogra_ | iris scans are the future anyway | 11:38 |
| ogra_ | after fingerprints were a flop | 11:38 |
| * popey pokes ogra_ in the eye | 11:38 | |
| ogra_ | ouch !! | 11:38 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, :) OK Olga wasn't jumping for joy, but can live with 5 | 11:42 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: actually...set it to 7 attempts...now that I think about it, fumbling your NIP 5 times does seem likely to happen | 11:43 |
| mdeslaur | s/NIP/PIN/ | 11:43 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, I just negotiated you the deal of the century, and now you're backing out! | 11:43 |
| mterry_ | ;) | 11:43 |
| mdeslaur | yeah, I've been known to change my mind sometimes :) | 11:44 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: or do the timetable that ios uses, since you're now implementing this in the greeter....1 min after 6 attempts, 5 min after 7 | 11:45 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, she didn't seem to care about the gradual lockout | 11:45 |
| mterry_ | Could do it, but no push from design at least | 11:45 |
| mdeslaur | ok | 11:46 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: my bikeshed locks me out after 7 attempts | 11:47 |
| mdeslaur | ;) | 11:47 |
| mterry_ | :) | 11:47 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, I was about to ask, "really?" | 11:47 |
| mdeslaur | haha | 11:48 |
| mdeslaur | mterry_: please put a slider on the lock screen itself that the user can use to decide :P | 11:48 |
| mterry_ | mdeslaur, or just a checkbox "Require passcode" | 11:48 |
| mdeslaur | hehe | 11:49 |
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| mdeslaur | is the emulator expected to currently work? I went through the first time setup screen, but now the screen just stays black | 11:56 |
| uga | how can i find what are all the packages updated in 14.04.1 from 14.04 | 11:58 |
| dpm | tvoss, perhaps a stupid question, but what's the difference between the "Location detection" and "GPS" options in the location indicator? | 11:59 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: I assume that phablet user can not `setprop persist.service.ssh true` without sudo | 12:01 |
| ogra_ | bzoltan1, right | 12:05 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: and of course it is not set by default ... | 12:05 |
| ogra_ | indeed | 12:05 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: how ice | 12:05 |
| bzoltan1 | nice I mean | 12:05 |
| ogra_ | i *could* make it a dbus user switchable property ... but that would cause sleepless nights for mdeslaur :) | 12:06 |
| jdstrand | mterry_: re actuators and unity8> unity8 itself is not confined, so I doubt it. to be sure, do 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog' at the time you think there could be a denial. if you don't see anything, that shouldn't be it | 12:09 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: I would vote on turning on the ssh when the developer mode is switched on. Or would that be resource expensive? | 12:17 |
| ogra_ | it wouldnt but it would offer one more open attack vector | 12:18 |
| ogra_ | ask the security team ... if they tell me i should, i will ;) | 12:18 |
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| tvoss | dpm, location detection can leverage pretty much anything mechanism for determining a position, gps is the specific satellite-based positioning | 12:21 |
| ogra_ | so if i point with my finger it will pick that up ? | 12:26 |
| ogra_ | :) | 12:26 |
| dpm | tvoss, so combining the two then the "Location detection" switch would be the A in A-GPS? | 12:28 |
| tvoss | dpm, yup | 12:28 |
| dpm | ok, thanks | 12:28 |
| tvoss | dpm, although disabling location detection also disables gps | 12:28 |
| dpm | ah, that was going to be my next question | 12:28 |
| dpm | it seems the indicator does not imply that, which might be confusing. I.e. if I uncheck "Location detection", the "GPS" switch is still on | 12:29 |
| tvoss | dpm, ack ...can you log a bug? | 12:31 |
| dpm | tvoss, bug 1351299 | 12:35 |
| ubot5 | bug 1351299 in Indicator Location "GPS switch should be turned off when "Location detection" is off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351299 | 12:35 |
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| tvoss | dpm, thanks | 12:36 |
| mdeslaur | rsalveti: is the emulator currently known to be broken? | 12:38 |
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| mterry_ | jdstrand, OK. :-/ I didn't see anything in the logs | 12:56 |
| pmcgowan | elopio, hi, re that notes test, I had some questions | 12:56 |
| Chipaca | tedg: do you know if there's a way to have g_settings_new not throw a signal if it can't find a schema? (something saner like returning NULL on error like most other *_new in glib?) | 12:56 |
| * mterry_ eagerly awaits tedg's response :) | 12:57 | |
| popey | mandel: now we have a pdf reader in the store, would be good if we could download PDFs to ~/Documents (or wherever) .. ? ☻ | 12:57 |
| Chipaca | mterry_: where is it biting you? | 12:57 |
| mterry_ | Chipaca, sorry I could have given a more helpful response -- no, you can't fix that, the author of that code is a fan of aborts on errors. A long standing bugbear. There should be a way to look up the existence of a schema first though | 12:58 |
| Chipaca | :-( | 12:59 |
| pmcgowan | brendand, ^^notes test | 12:59 |
| brendand | pmcgowan, questions? | 13:00 |
| Chipaca | mterry_: i guess i'll take having a race condition over having the whole thing explode in my face any day | 13:00 |
| pmcgowan | brendand, yeah, you said in the bug that ap wasnt returning the correct sizes | 13:00 |
| pmcgowan | the test itself looks fine (and hasnt changed) | 13:01 |
| pmcgowan | so where is the regression? | 13:01 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, mterry_, you can use https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.40/gio-GSettingsSchema-GSettingsSchemaSource.html#g-settings-schema-source-lookup | 13:01 |
| seb128 | but usually you should have a depends on whatever ships the schemas you need | 13:01 |
| brendand | pmcgowan, could be in the app, or the ui toolkit | 13:01 |
| pmcgowan | brendand, so app hasnt changed either, hence no one working on it | 13:02 |
| brendand | pmcgowan, it wouldn't have anything to do with AP itself (i don't think) | 13:02 |
| pmcgowan | but again, the test logic is ok, so why would the object dims be wrong | 13:02 |
| pmcgowan | I am not sure how all that ap stuff works | 13:02 |
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| brendand | pmcgowan, the test assumed that the content widget and the note widget are different sizes, but they are the same now, for some reason | 13:03 |
| pmcgowan | ok that could be toolkit related | 13:03 |
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| pmcgowan | brendand, if so thats a one line fix to the test | 13:03 |
| Chipaca | seb128: and does that throw a signal if it doesn't find it? | 13:04 |
| * Chipaca is ridiculously upset by this | 13:04 | |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: which emulator image are you trying? | 13:04 |
| * Chipaca takes a walk to chill | 13:04 | |
| mdeslaur | nik90: whatever today's default is | 13:04 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: how do I find out? | 13:04 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator list | 13:04 |
| mdeslaur | oh, duh :) | 13:05 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, signal? that's an api you can check, but the schemas is like a library, if you need it, you depends on it | 13:05 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: let me reinstall, one sec | 13:05 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: ;) I have emulator 166 running (albeit with some small issues) | 13:05 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: aatestubuntu=20140728,device=20140725.1,version=157 | 13:07 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: ah yes image 157..nope that doesn't work for me either. Unity8 fails to load there | 13:07 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: how do I install 166? | 13:07 |
| mdeslaur | is it a different channel? | 13:07 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: devel-proposed | 13:07 |
| Chipaca | seb128: I don't like it, both at a conceptual level, and at a more pragmatic it-makes-my-life-a-lot-harder level | 13:07 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator create myInstance --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed --arch=i386 | 13:08 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: ah, thanks...trying now | 13:08 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: yw | 13:08 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, how so? | 13:08 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, the schemas provides what is needed for you to have a valid default and type checking | 13:09 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, what's the big deal to ensure the schemas you use are installed? | 13:09 |
| seb128 | just depends on those | 13:09 |
| seb128 | well, anyway, going for a walk as well | 13:09 |
| seb128 | bbl | 13:09 |
| Chipaca | seb128: the big deal is it hard crashes the test suite | 13:09 |
| seb128 | well, just ensure you install what you use | 13:10 |
| Chipaca | unless i install a package that is not for the machine i am on | 13:10 |
| seb128 | if you were running your testsuite without libc installed it would be unhappy as well | 13:10 |
| Chipaca | seb128: you're seriously comparing a settings framework with libc? | 13:10 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, change libc for gettext if you prefer | 13:11 |
| seb128 | or whatever other things you use and that would make things unhappy if not thre | 13:11 |
| seb128 | it's not like gsettings was the only one in this case | 13:11 |
| seb128 | but anyway, I'm away for a bit, bbl | 13:11 |
| jgdx | pmcgowan, you can try out sim name editor as well as default sim for calls using these debs http://people.canonical.com/~jonas/system-settings/sim-rename/ | 13:12 |
| pmcgowan | jgdx, I got but one sim still ;) | 13:13 |
| jgdx | pmcgowan, ouch :p | 13:13 |
| mdeslaur | nik90: great, that worked, thanks! | 13:15 |
| nik90 | mdeslaur: yay | 13:15 |
| oSoMoN | ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one? | 13:20 |
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| elopio | pmcgowan: hello | 13:25 |
| bzoltan1 | ogra_: the good news is that with very little change in the SDK scripts I can keep the most important features alive. One thing we need to figure out is ho to handle the phablet password of the devices in the SDK. | 13:29 |
| mhr3 | ogra_ / sergiusens, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-sync/add-youtube-scope/+merge/229065 pls? | 13:35 |
| sergiusens | mhr3: yup | 13:37 |
| * sergiusens added the MP to his queue | 13:37 | |
| ogra_ | oSoMoN, if you didnt set a PW it shoudl be empty and not ask you ... /me points to mterry_ | 13:38 |
| mterry_ | ogra_, true... where's oSoMoN's comment about it? | 13:39 |
| ogra_ | mterry_, a few lines up ... | 13:40 |
| ogra_ | <oSoMoN> ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one? | 13:40 |
| derek-g | I keep on waiting on my ubuntu phone. Keep up a good work guys. | 13:40 |
| mterry_ | oSoMoN, desktop or phone? | 13:40 |
| oSoMoN | mterry_, phone | 13:40 |
| mterry_ | oSoMoN, yar... you shouldn't be getting a prompt | 13:41 |
| mterry_ | oSoMoN, what are the contents of /var/lib/extrausers/shadow? | 13:41 |
| popey | derek-g: great news, no need to wait, you can get a phone to run ubuntu here! http://tinyurl.com/lmorzwq | 13:41 |
| derek-g | popey, yeah. I want official preinstalled one though... | 13:42 |
| popey | ☻ | 13:43 |
| mterry | oSoMoN, sorry got disconnected in case you tried to talk to me | 13:45 |
| mandel | popey, can't you do that with the content-hub? | 13:55 |
| popey | hmm | 13:55 |
| mandel | popey, I though that the browser would tell where to download it to the content-hub according to the app chosen. At least the browser has the rights to change the download path | 13:55 |
| mandel | popey, that is supported :) | 13:56 |
| popey | so the pdfjs app needs to register to receive pdf files? | 13:56 |
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| sil2100 | jamesh: hello! | 14:01 |
| jdstrand | mdeslaur: fyi, you can also provide --revision=166 with the create command | 14:02 |
| sil2100 | jamesh: so, we noticed music-app test failures in the recent images and suspect the mediascanner can have something to do with it... | 14:02 |
| sil2100 | jamesh: there are two bugs, most probably related and currently assigned to music-app: LP: #1350636 and LP: #1350529 | 14:03 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1350636 in Ubuntu Music App "music app in image 161 shows odd cover art for empty items" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350636 | 14:04 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1350529 in Ubuntu Music App "[music-app] Trunk fails autopilot tests on jenkins" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350529 | 14:04 |
| sergiusens | dpm: hey, do I need to worry much about the pot file having all the strings or just make sure that I have all the TRANLSATOR comments? | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | brendand, can you help me figure out what's causing my autopilot failures in the sound_panel branch of settings? | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | i feel like i'm stabbing in the dark here... | 14:08 |
| brendand | kenvandine, still plaguing you? sure, i'll have a look | 14:08 |
| kenvandine | thx | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | they all passed on my device a couple days ago, the test_keyboard_sound_switch test was failing in 2 other unrelated branches on wednesday as well | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | but has passed in those branches since | 14:09 |
| kenvandine | which is puzzling... that was an existing test | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | brendand, but now the same 3 tests seem to consistently fail, and i'm stumped... fails on my device now too, but not on desktop | 14:10 |
| kenvandine | brendand, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-mako/2909/? | 14:11 |
| mhall119 | Hi all, I need to make sure libnet-cpp1 is added to utopic seeds for touch to support scopes development, where should I add that? | 14:20 |
| brendand | kenvandine, the branch? | 14:21 |
| kenvandine | https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/sound_panel/+merge/228766 | 14:21 |
| mhall119 | jdstrand: does apparmor need any changes to allow use of libnet-cpp1? | 14:22 |
| jdstrand | mhall119: it shouldn't. unless it is doing some out of the ordinary things. you'd know by doing 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog' | 14:23 |
| mhall119 | ok, I'll try it and see | 14:23 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: ping, I have a mako that I can't load ubuntu touch on, it gets stuck at the google text screen after I try to load ubuntu touch on it. I have 3 other makos that work with ubuntu touch. | 14:28 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: I was able to load ubuntu touch and have it work for a month before it just stopped working | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | robotfuel, very low battery perhaps? | 14:28 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: reloading android works to boot android. | 14:28 |
| ogra_ | hmm | 14:28 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: the battery is 100% full | 14:28 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: I tried doing a factory reset via android and I've also tried formating the userdata partition via fastboot | 14:30 |
| ogra_ | uh, you shouldnt do that | 14:30 |
| ogra_ | it is important that you boot android once fully *after* you unlocked the device though | 14:30 |
| ogra_ | that initializes some bits on the partitions | 14:30 |
| sergiusens | dpm: nvm, I got the gist of it and updated the mp | 14:32 |
| robotfuel | ogra_: I didn't try to reboot fully once after enabling usb debug I'll try that. | 14:32 |
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| sergiusens | robotfuel: ogra_ try this please: boot into the bootloader; fastboot format userdata; ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap | 14:34 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: plars mentioned to try that yesterday, it did not help | 14:34 |
| brendand | kenvandine, are all the failing tests new? | 14:34 |
| sergiusens | robotfuel: ogra_ if that works; I'm going to make a minor change to the bootstrap process (which use to exist, but was removed due to many user facing issues) | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | no | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | the keyboard sound test was there before | 14:34 |
| kenvandine | and untouched in this branch | 14:35 |
| sergiusens | robotfuel: ah | 14:35 |
| * sergiusens thinks | 14:35 | |
| kenvandine | that was the test that was failing in 2 unrelated branches the other day | 14:35 |
| kenvandine | but has since passed in those branches | 14:35 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: I have 2 phones with this issue, I can load android on it and it will boot, but when I load ubuntu-touch it is stuck on the google text screen | 14:36 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: 3 other phones don't have this issue, and the 2 that are not working used to work. | 14:36 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: the serial number on adb changes to 01234567890ABCDEF when the device gets stuck on the google screen. | 14:37 |
| robotfuel | *0123456789ABCDEF | 14:39 |
| sergiusens | robotfuel: I think that's ogra's code for init went wrong | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | ? | 14:39 |
| ogra_ | that code didnt change this cycle yet | 14:39 |
| sergiusens | ogra_: don't you change the serial when something goes wrong in init? | 14:40 |
| sergiusens | I thought you did | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | i dont think i do | 14:40 |
| sergiusens | oh well | 14:40 |
| ogra_ | :) | 14:40 |
| sergiusens | robotfuel: do you have any recollection of how this began? | 14:41 |
| sergiusens | after an image update perhaps? | 14:41 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: yes after flashing a new image | 14:41 |
| sergiusens | I wonder if you wore off your flash | 14:41 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: I was using --bootstrap | 14:41 |
| sergiusens | since android doesn't use 'userdata' to boot necessarily | 14:42 |
| mhall119 | ogra_: sergiusens: I need to get libnet-cpp(0|1) added to the touch image seed for Scope development | 14:43 |
| robotfuel | sergiusens: there used to be a way to sideload images, but I don't see that option anymore. | 14:43 |
| mhall119 | that's the lib that thostr_ wants scope developers to use for networking | 14:43 |
| sergiusens | what part of the seed? | 14:43 |
| mhall119 | sergiusens: that's what I'm not sure about | 14:43 |
| ogra_ | well, do you want it in the framework ? | 14:43 |
| cwayne | hi -- do we have plans for image:// uri's to open in gallery-app? | 14:43 |
| sergiusens | mhall119: is it a lib + headers? | 14:43 |
| ogra_ | or do you want it "just available" | 14:44 |
| brendand | kenvandine, ok i just need to build your code and have a look | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | cwayne: should you just add an url-dispather hook for that to the gallery click? | 14:44 |
| mhall119 | sergiusens: I'm not a C++ guy, so I'm going to say "yes" with quotes | 14:44 |
| mhall119 | whatever a binary scope needs to run using it | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | mhall119: ah, this is c++? how abi/api stable is this? | 14:44 |
| mhall119 | no idea | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | once it's seeded it can never change | 14:44 |
| mhall119 | again, not being a C++ guy | 14:44 |
| sergiusens | mhall119: i'll drop that to lool | 14:45 |
| sergiusens | he likes abi stuff | 14:45 |
| ogra_ | haha | 14:45 |
| mhall119 | mhr3: ^^ are you familiar with libnet-cpp? | 14:45 |
| cwayne | sergiusens: hm, maybe? | 14:45 |
| * sergiusens thinks of the gallery saying "call me maybe" | 14:45 | |
| mhr3 | mhall119, what about it? | 14:46 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, what is "postal" for notifications? are we going to have different notifications? | 14:46 |
| mhall119 | mhr3: how stable is the API/ABI? | 14:46 |
| mhr3 | mhall119, tvoss question really | 14:46 |
| Chipaca | seb128: the notifications these settings are for are those handled by the postal service | 14:46 |
| mhall119 | tvoss: ping | 14:46 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, is that an implementation detail or an important difference? | 14:47 |
| mhr3 | mhall119, but i'd guess it has to be as stable as the scopes lib if thomas wants to recommend it as the default | 14:48 |
| Chipaca | seb128: for users, this'll be the notifications they can enable or disable, and controlling these controls whether apps they have installed can notify them of stuff | 14:48 |
| kenvandine | brendand, OMG... i think it just needed a scroll_to_and_click | 14:48 |
| Chipaca | seb128: for people looking at the settings, they're far more likeley to become confused and need the extra qualifier | 14:49 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, I'm just pondering com.ubuntu.postal.notifications vs com.ubuntu.notifications | 14:49 |
| brendand | kenvandine, :) | 14:49 |
| mhall119 | mhr3: I would hope so too, but guessing and hoping don't make for good policy :) | 14:49 |
| brendand | kenvandine, i was about to ask you for built debs | 14:49 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, not sure "postal" is useful in that namespace | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | brendand, at one point i had that in there... | 14:49 |
| Chipaca | seb128: "notifications" on its own is too confusing right now | 14:49 |
| seb128 | that's an issue | 14:49 |
| Chipaca | seb128: even if it were technically correct | 14:49 |
| seb128 | but not due to the schemas :p | 14:49 |
| kenvandine | but then in my tidying up i changed them all to be consistent | 14:49 |
| Chipaca | seb128: i've been in at least three conversations about notifications where everybody got cross because they agreed but called things different names so didn't know | 14:50 |
| kenvandine | and without my new items showing on that page, the keyboard sound one is mostly off the page, so maybe that is flaky to test without scrolling | 14:50 |
| cwayne | kenvandine: is there support in gallery-app to launch to a specific photo? | 14:50 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, yes, the topic is a mess, we should consolidate those differents things | 14:51 |
| kenvandine | cwayne, dunno, artmello ^^ | 14:51 |
| Chipaca | seb128: we are :) but it's a evolution, not a revolution | 14:51 |
| artmello | cwayne: not yet. the support for that is on the list to the next days | 14:51 |
| artmello | kenvandine: ^ | 14:51 |
| cwayne | artmello: awesome, thanks. we'd need that for one of the scopes we're currently developing, so it's quite critical for us | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, k, I don't know enough about the topic to approve that schemas change, the postal namespace looks wrong and coding of implementation details, please find somebody who understand the difference between a notification and a postal-notification to review | 14:52 |
| Chipaca | seb128: i'd expect the next iteration, or the one after that, to no longer need the extra qualifier | 14:52 |
| artmello | cwayne: ok, as soon as we have something I let you know | 14:52 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, schemas/keys are sort of abi, we can't just go and rename stuff again and again | 14:52 |
| seb128 | we need transitions, etc as well when that happens | 14:53 |
| seb128 | so we better think about the name before landing | 14:53 |
| Chipaca | seb128: ok. can you change your review to something non-blocking then. | 14:53 |
| Chipaca | seb128: also, are you able to ask ps jenkins for a re-review? | 14:55 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, yes | 14:55 |
| Chipaca | seb128: please do? I can't, and i suspect it'll block me from landing this via the train | 14:55 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: ping | 14:56 |
| kenvandine | brendand, is it sane to just always use scroll_to_and_click instead of click_object? | 14:57 |
| seb128 | Chipaca, I did comment/disapprove with a comment on why I think it's wrong, but I also said that if somebody wants to override me on that one, feel free but they whoever does engage itself to fix futur problems due to that | 14:58 |
| dpm | sergiusens, it seems you figure it out re: the .pot file, but I'm back now. Let me know if I can help with anything | 15:00 |
| brendand | kenvandine, if you think it might be necessary then yeay | 15:00 |
| brendand | kenvandine, if the screen is static there probably isn't much point | 15:00 |
| sergiusens | dpm: just take a look at that review and see if I missed anything from your comments | 15:02 |
| sergiusens | thanks! | 15:02 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: I need somebody to review the gsettings schema branch for postal notifications, somebody that “understand the difference between a notification and a postal-notification”. That's a very short list, which I sorta-kinda count you as on. Could you review that please? | 15:03 |
| mhall119 | tvoss: does anybody even use net-cpp? Google seems to think it doesn't exist at all | 15:03 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/just-the-touch-settings/+merge/228317 | 15:03 |
| tvoss | mhall119, not sure what you are referring to | 15:03 |
| mhall119 | tvoss: net-cpp is the library thostr_ wants us to recommend for scope devs | 15:04 |
| mhall119 | I'm trying to take it for a test run | 15:04 |
| mhall119 | tvoss: we'll need to get it in the device image seeds, and the -dev package in the chroot and emulator seeds | 15:04 |
| mhall119 | or at least the chroot, -dev might not be needed in the emulator | 15:05 |
| tvoss | mhall119, we are using it in the location service, it's in main | 15:05 |
| tvoss | mhall119, thostr_ asked me to write some short tutorial on it, that's on my list | 15:05 |
| tvoss | Chipaca, ack, will be done sometime tonight | 15:05 |
| mhall119 | tvoss: ok, can you link me to that tutorial when it's written? | 15:06 |
| tvoss | mhall119, sure | 15:06 |
| dpm | sergiusens, reviewed, LGTM, just noticed a couple of typos in the translator comments | 15:08 |
| sergiusens | dpm: if pinpointed them; I'll fix :-) | 15:08 |
| dpm | yeah, commented inline :) | 15:09 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: at what time would it be polite to pester you about this then? :) | 15:12 |
| tvoss | Chipaca, beer'o'clock, which is in ~1 hour from now | 15:12 |
| tvoss | oops, did I just say that? ;) | 15:12 |
| * Chipaca orders beer | 15:12 | |
| ogra_ | thats for the outer west of germany only ... | 15:12 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: no, no you didn't. I just inferred it from context. | 15:12 |
| ogra_ | in my place it started 14 min ago | 15:13 |
| mhr3 | oSoMoN, ping? | 15:13 |
| tvoss | Chipaca, lol | 15:13 |
| oSoMoN | mhr3, pong | 15:13 |
| mhr3 | oSoMoN, we have an issue with the youtube scope - it opens youtube in the browser, but it refuses to play the video because of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924763/ | 15:14 |
| oSoMoN | mhr3, interesting, can’t you request the video page over http instead? | 15:15 |
| mhr3 | oSoMoN, should we really? works fine with desktop browsers | 15:16 |
| oSoMoN | mhr3, no, probably not, but I’m wondering whether that would work around the issue? | 15:16 |
| mhr3 | it would | 15:17 |
| mhr3 | but its the api that gives us the https links | 15:18 |
| mhr3 | right pete-woods? ^ | 15:18 |
| pete-woods | mhr3: no, we have to make the https links ourselves | 15:19 |
| pete-woods | we can change it to something that works | 15:19 |
| pete-woods | but | 15:19 |
| pete-woods | well, it works on Android | 15:20 |
| pete-woods | although you do get the little padlock with an exclamation sign in the URL bar | 15:20 |
| t1mp | is it nor more useful to have the changelog link in topic to point to http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/? | 15:23 |
| t1mp | s/nor/not | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | t1mp, i think we are at the edge wrt topic length ... something would have to be dropped | 15:24 |
| t1mp | ogra_: and how do I convert from date to image#? | 15:24 |
| ogra_ | iirc popey casn change it though | 15:24 |
| popey | wat? | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | the channel topic | 15:25 |
| popey | you can too | 15:25 |
| popey | anyone can aiui | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | ah | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | well, still, i think we are out of space | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | t1mp, look closer :) | 15:25 |
| oSoMoN | mhr3, there’s a 'canDisplayInsecureContent' preference in oxide, which I guess defaults to false, which would probably do the trick, but if you if you have to build the link yourself anyway, I would go for http | 15:25 |
| t1mp | ogra_: I want to know what changed between image 153 and 154 but on http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ I see dates instead of image numbers | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | t1mp, so dont scroll the the date links then ;) | 15:26 |
| popey | i see image numbers | 15:26 |
| mhr3 | oSoMoN, yea, we will, but looking through the log there's bit more | 15:26 |
| t1mp | ogra_: right :) thanks! | 15:26 |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:26 |
| === popey changed the topic of #ubuntu-touch to: Ubuntu Touch Support & Discussion | Home: http://bit.ly/YEqEfo | Installing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Install | Porting guide (advanced) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Porting | Bugs filing: http://bit.ly/1aV9AJG | Nexus Status: http://bit.ly/18kIrhM | Dashboard: http://bit.ly/12AQV53 | Changelog: http://bit.ly/1ljube1 | phablet-flash is deprecated, use ubuntu-device-flash | "soon" | ||
| popey | fixed changelog link | 15:27 |
| mhr3 | oSoMoN, so maybe it makes to disable it anyway | 15:27 |
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| kenvandine | jgdx, testing your sim-name-editor branch, why does the item used to edit the sim name have a progression? | 16:09 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, note: editing the name does work and the name persists, so YAY :) | 16:10 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: Beer o'clock is nigh! | 16:17 |
| ogra_ | *burp* | 16:18 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, wee | 16:19 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, because of the design spec | 16:20 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, i don't even see that part in the design | 16:21 |
| kenvandine | but there are some broken images... | 16:21 |
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| * Chipaca buys tvoss even more beer, hoping for a speedier review | 16:35 | |
| kenvandine | jgdx, mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/gsettings-qt/lp1349787_tests/+merge/229258 | 16:49 |
| dpm | sergiusens, for that i18n branch you asked me to review, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/account-polld/i18n/+merge/228747/comments/554237 ? It seems ralsina didn't have permissions on the LP project to do the changes, but you're listed as the project maintainer, so you might have | 16:51 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, sure thing | 16:53 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, thx! | 16:53 |
| cking | is anyone aware of bug 1350871? | 16:55 |
| ubot5 | bug 1350871 in location-service (Ubuntu) "location service is waking up at 10Hz causing possible unwanted wakeups" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1350871 | 16:55 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, mind try running (on a phablet) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7925534/ to see if it resets your launcher? | 16:56 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, sure | 16:58 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, do i need to restart after? | 17:02 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, ok, the launcher didn't reset until i restarted unity8 | 17:03 |
| kenvandine | but it did reset | 17:03 |
| pmcgowan | tvoss, ^^ see cking query | 17:05 |
| tvoss | pmcgowan, thanks haven't seen | 17:06 |
| kenvandine | cyphermox, so how do we test the bluetooth redesign? | 17:06 |
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| kenvandine | pmcgowan, can you help test the bluetooth stuff in silo 6? i've got everything else covered, but not really equipped to test that | 17:09 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, I can try it | 17:09 |
| pmcgowan | ChickenCutlass, can you help as well? ^^ | 17:09 |
| pmcgowan | kenvandine, doesnt seem ready yet, need to build? | 17:10 |
| kenvandine | it's there :) | 17:10 |
| kenvandine | newer build coming, but not with code changes | 17:10 |
| kenvandine | just tests | 17:10 |
| kenvandine | cyphermox, has the bluetooth section of the test plan been updated to match the redesign? | 17:11 |
| ChickenCutlass | kenvandine: I have been testing it | 17:13 |
| ChickenCutlass | pmcgowan: kenvandine all good | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | in silo 6? | 17:13 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, thanks! | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | ChickenCutlass, great! | 17:13 |
| kenvandine | we might even be able to land this stuff today! | 17:14 |
| bzoltan | ogra_: about that new adb and security rules.. will it be possible to set a password but use the simple swipe as unlock. The password unlock would be horrible with the emulator. | 17:16 |
| ogra_ | no, it will be password isf a password exists and swipe if there is none at alll | 17:17 |
| ogra_ | >(and i totally agree) | 17:17 |
| cyphermox | kenvandine: yes, it has | 17:17 |
| cyphermox | I added some tests in the wiki page for the test plan, and aded tests | 17:18 |
| jdstrand | fyi, I imagined that there would be a timeout for password entering | 17:18 |
| cyphermox | *added tests in the branch, though they are not autopilot tests | 17:18 |
| jdstrand | swipe to unlock is fine up until a few minutes go by | 17:18 |
| jdstrand | then it is password to unlock | 17:18 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom | 17:28 |
| Chipaca | tvoss: ping. i meant ping. | 17:28 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, I'm trying to debug why uss isn't producing the same result as the gdbus call. Any idea? | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | nope | 17:33 |
| kenvandine | is it using the same accountsservices binding? | 17:34 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, my headset is not pairing, the UI says connected but the headset keep beeping in parining mode, then the device is removed evntualy from the list | 17:35 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, afaik it isn't using that at all. | 17:35 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: please try again, and then file a bug with logs from teh system-settings app (~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log if it really doesn't work | 17:36 |
| cyphermox | syslog also important | 17:36 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, maybe it isn't getting the right object path then? | 17:37 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, i think there's some magic in accountsservice.cpp that gets the right user object path | 17:38 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, i assume that last failing test for sim-name-editor is because of the gsettings-qt bug? | 17:39 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, I think you're right. Looking at dbus-monitor clearly tells me that uss does not produce the dbus call. Will change the binding. | 17:50 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, I think so, yeah. | 17:52 |
| taiebot | Can people confirm this one it is quite a annoying bug | 17:56 |
| taiebot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1341205 | 17:56 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1341205 in unity8 (Ubuntu) " Top left icon of my apps can be placed in the middle of the apps" [Undecided,Confirmed] | 17:56 |
| kenvandine | cyphermox, i see CI is still failing in your branch | 18:02 |
| cyphermox | it's tests that aren't bluetooth | 18:02 |
| cyphermox | I can kick it again if you prefer | 18:02 |
| kenvandine | well i'd like to have passing CI :) | 18:02 |
| cyphermox | fair enough | 18:03 |
| kenvandine | all the other branches have passing CI now :) | 18:03 |
| cyphermox | should be good for this one then | 18:04 |
| cyphermox | I just started it, we'll see | 18:05 |
| kenvandine | cyphermox, thx | 18:05 |
| cyphermox | it's ridiculous that it manages to fail so easily when things pass just fine in sbuild ;)\ | 18:05 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, any thoughts on my headset, or more I can do to debug? | 18:13 |
| cyphermox | did you file a bug? | 18:13 |
| cyphermox | I don't even know what headset it is :) | 18:13 |
| nik90 | rsalveti: hey, is there any update on the separate audio streams support in the platform for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1337917 | 18:14 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1337917 in indicator-datetime (Ubuntu) "Alarm does not ring when phone is muted" [High,Confirmed] | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | pretty much all you can do is try again if it failed, and then get me ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log and /var/log/syslog | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: * | 18:14 |
| nik90 | charles: hi | 18:14 |
| cyphermox | ugh, I type so fail | 18:14 |
| nik90 | charles: How can I help with testing https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1350426-make-alarms-interactive-notifications/+merge/229158 ? | 18:14 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, I filed a bug after 4 attempts | 18:15 |
| nik90 | charles: would it be sufficient if I took the armhf packages generated by jenkins and install on my phone to test it? | 18:15 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: sorry, did you send me the link? I didn't see it | 18:15 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1351406 | 18:15 |
| ubot5 | Launchpad bug 1351406 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "[bluetooth] Cannot pair headset" [High,New] | 18:15 |
| charles | nik90, that would be great for an early test | 18:15 |
| nik90 | charles: awesome..will give it a shot | 18:16 |
| charles | nik90, my datetime branches are being reviewed today by Wellark, I'll try to get them silo'ed on Monday so you can do a proper test from a PPA | 18:16 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: that's unusual | 18:16 |
| nik90 | charles: ok. Will all 3 MPs go in the same silo? | 18:16 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: are you sure the device was in pairing mode at first? seems like it somehow was detected, but nothing else happened | 18:16 |
| charles | nik90, almost certainly. | 18:17 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, yes it is, I double checked the manual | 18:17 |
| cyphermox | you didn't even reach the phase of creating the device, so I think we'll need debug logs from bluez | 18:17 |
| nik90 | charles: awesome. thnx for the quick implementation. | 18:17 |
| cyphermox | (that's adding "-d" to the Exec line in /etc/init/bluetooth.conf) | 18:17 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: surely in the debug log it will say something, or why it didn't even create the device is bluez | 18:18 |
| pmcgowan | ok will try that | 18:18 |
| pmcgowan | where will that log be? | 18:18 |
| cyphermox | in syslog | 18:18 |
| nik90 | charles: What's the quickest way to restart the datetime service on the phone? I installed the deb package, want to restart the datetime service before the test. | 18:24 |
| ChickenCutlass | pmcgowan: cyphermox kenvandine so silo6 works great for me BT wise | 18:31 |
| ChickenCutlass | for what its worth | 18:31 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, attached to the bug, starts around 14:26 | 18:31 |
| pmcgowan | ChickenCutlass, yeah I am disappointed its not pairing this one | 18:32 |
| cyphermox | alright | 18:32 |
| pmcgowan | do you have any v2.1 devices? | 18:32 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: as another point of reference, did it pair before? | 18:32 |
| ChickenCutlass | pmcgowan: not sure what they are | 18:32 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, on android, not sure I paired it here command line | 18:32 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: even with the UI, before silo 6 | 18:33 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, no | 18:33 |
| cyphermox | if it did pair before, would be a regression | 18:33 |
| pmcgowan | I dont think I ever did successfully | 18:33 |
| cyphermox | alright | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | woot | 18:35 |
| kenvandine | just gotta wait to see if we get a CI pass on the bluetooth branch | 18:36 |
| cyphermox | it's mostly to know whether I should cry and invest in alcoholism now ;) | 18:36 |
| jgdx | pmcgowan, reset branch ready to go | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, lets look at that for landing next week :) | 18:36 |
| jgdx | kenvandine, awesome | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | it's been a tough right getting this silo ready to publish :-D | 18:36 |
| pmcgowan | nice | 18:36 |
| kenvandine | rough ride | 18:37 |
| jgdx | indeed | 18:37 |
| pmcgowan | land it monday! | 18:37 |
| * kenvandine crosses fingers for this last CI build | 18:37 | |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: nothing safer than landing a big chunk of code on a friday afternoon | 18:37 |
| pmcgowan | yeah I'm beyond worrying about that ;) | 18:38 |
| kenvandine | hehe | 18:38 |
| * kenvandine heads to lunch in hopes of seeing that pass when returning | 18:40 | |
| kenvandine | bbiab | 18:40 |
| pmcgowan | cyphermox, headset works with desktop | 18:41 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: could be, yeah | 18:44 |
| cyphermox | it's totally different UI, and the hardware is a little weird too | 18:44 |
| pmcgowan | ack | 18:45 |
| cyphermox | here my mako works great with my Plantronics headset | 18:45 |
| cyphermox | my test works great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqvtCf6DYzk | 18:45 |
| rsalveti | mdeslaur: emulator should be functional | 18:53 |
| rsalveti | at least it was yesterday :-) | 18:53 |
| rsalveti | nik90: should hopefully get this fixed next week | 18:53 |
| rsalveti | but I got a pile of critical stuff to fix | 18:54 |
| rsalveti | guess like everyone | 18:54 |
| nik90 | rsalveti: np, I was just checking up on that to know about the status. | 18:54 |
| mdeslaur | rsalveti: it worked with 166, but not 157 | 19:02 |
| mdeslaur | rsalveti: so, it's ok now, thanks | 19:02 |
| cyphermox | pmcgowan: does the UI aks you for a PIN? | 19:03 |
| pmcgowan | it did yes | 19:04 |
| cyphermox | alright | 19:05 |
| ChickenCutlass | pmcgowan: you didn't say that. | 19:06 |
| ChickenCutlass | you got asked for a PIN | 19:06 |
| pmcgowan | I did | 19:07 |
| pmcgowan | guess I implied when I said desktop didnt ask me ;) ChickenCutlass | 19:07 |
| ChickenCutlass | ah | 19:07 |
| charles | nik90: from a shell, "restart indicator-datetime" | 19:50 |
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| jgdx | kenvandine, seems like it built fine | 20:28 |
| kenvandine | jgdx, yeah and i published :) | 20:28 |
| kenvandine | in proposed now | 20:28 |
| jgdx | nice | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | just don't forget the progression thing :) | 20:29 |
| jgdx | it's on the whiteboard | 20:29 |
| jgdx | (I just got a whiteboard in my office) | 20:29 |
| kenvandine | handy :) | 20:29 |
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| OPSJono_ | Elleo: Hi mate, I've just installed Ubuntu on my Nexus 4 - trying to download your CuteSpotify from the Ubuntu app store just gives me a very generic on screen error "Download or install failed please try again later" | 22:15 |
| OPSJono_ | Do I have to do anything special/specific to get it installed? | 22:15 |
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