=== kyrios is now known as Guest16813 === Guest16813 is now known as KyriosBrastianos [00:19] nik90, FYI I updated the haptic feedback property @ https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1350017-haptic-feedback-for-alarms/+merge/229144 [00:26] charles: thnx, will take a look in the morning [00:33] can you remote control the UI from a PC? [00:39] hi guys i cant get run ubuntu-emulator [00:40] hi, can u help me? [00:46] mandel: sorry, was on holiday today; will give it a test first thing in the morning [00:47] kenvandine: we're waiting on a reworking of the context menu system to give us the info we need to do downloads like that properly (currently we don't have access to mimetype, etc.) [00:51] hello? [01:47] nice work on the new touch update guys!!! [01:47] looking neat === _salem is now known as salem_ [02:17] hello [02:17] twagner: hi [02:17] anyone here a porting guru? [02:18] twagner: wich device are you trying touch on? [02:18] Asus tf201 [02:19] twagner: check XDA forums for your device port [02:19] for now ubuntu touch works best on nexus devices [02:19] yeah, the guy working on it at xda is me :) [02:20] lolz [02:20] i bought me a nexus7 2013 specially for ubuntu touch [02:21] so I'm trying to clarify the porting guide now that we are moving to the flipped model [02:21] twagner: maybe when meizu and bq phones release, more devices will install more easily in the future? [02:23] maybe, I was able to boot a tf300t port with limited hardware working [02:23] so I decided to build for the tf201 [02:24] but the source has moved to a flipped model and the guide seems to be behind [02:25] so I was hoping someone here could clarify what needs to happen with the compiled files [02:25] twagner: did you see this1? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaT5JsZQQyU [02:26] before the flip I would replace the system partition with the system.IMG file I compiled and the roots was just in /data/ubuntu [02:26] rootfs [02:26] well cant help you with that, not really a dev myself [02:27] no worries [02:31] so...any porting guru's out there? [03:09] bzoltan: zbenjamin: when one of you gets in, can https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1349586 please be triaged and assigned [03:09] Launchpad bug 1349586 in qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu "Creating a scope project with uppercase characters cause apparmor profile mismatch" [Undecided,New] [03:14] rsalveti: why have the non-EDGE skins been dropped from the ubuntu-emulator-runtime package? [03:14] slangasek: afaik they are still there [03:14] rsalveti: oh; they haven't, they're just in a different path that's not being found, hmmm [03:14] I got a bunch of skins here [03:15] hm, right [03:15] rsalveti: does --skin= work for you? [03:15] let me try [03:15] maybe that got broken once we did the switch to edge [03:16] that switch was a long time ago [03:16] and --skin has worked since then, it's because of EDGE that I use it ;) [03:16] oh - nevermind [03:16] hm, worked fine here [03:16] the selected skin *is* being used [03:16] but the window got taller for some other reason [03:19] I just got a qtcreator update - is there an explanation somewhere of how Kits work? === vying is now known as Guest22198 [03:35] I need the source code to build a ubuntu phone rom for the moto x | http://askubuntu.com/q/505282 [03:50] !devices [03:50] You can find the full list of devices, official images, community images, and works in progress at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun === salem_ is now known as _salem [06:36] good morning === tvoss is now known as tvoss|test [07:11] sil2100: is https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.utopic-qtcomp/+merge/226441 something which shoudl land now? (looking at it as part of my sponsoring shift) === tvoss|test is now known as tvoss [08:12] sil2100: nevermind, it was already seeded [08:15] Elleo, hello! I want to add a HapticsEffect to the greeter, much like you have in ubuntu-keyboard. But it doesn't *seem* to be doing anything. Is there some permission I need to enable to be able to use the actuators or some setup or something? [08:22] mterry: not that I'm aware of, but iirc bfiller did the initial implementation of that for the keyboard, so there may have been something extra he did that I'm unaware of [08:23] that said AbstractButton in the SDK should use it in any app really, so I'd imagine there can't be anything extra needed === popey_ is now known as popey [08:24] MacSlow: ping === renato is now known as Guest39756 [08:35] Chipaca, yup? [08:36] MacSlow: mpt told me yesterday you told dferri that apps can't trigger vibrations as notifications [08:36] MacSlow: you told me that too [08:37] Chipaca, correct... that's not possible currently. [08:37] MacSlow: i'd like a little bit of context as to when and where and how you said that, because for some contexts you're misinformed :) [08:38] MacSlow: given that the postal service currently exposes a way for an application to request a notification be presented to the user as a notification [08:38] Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Wide Web Day! :-D [08:39] MacSlow: now, having said that, an application can't itself vibrate the device [08:39] MacSlow: so, depending on the context, you might've been right [08:40] JamesTait: ! :) [08:40] MacSlow: but if you understand an application as more than the .desktop-toting window-having thing, then it's wrong [08:41] Chipaca, the notifications (as in lp:unity-notifications and the notification-renderer in unity8) do not have the ability to trigger any haptic feedback. [08:41] Chipaca, I'm spoiled for choice today - happy International Beer Day, too. ;) [08:41] MacSlow: that is correct, nor should they [08:41] Chipaca, that's what I've been asked yesterday and what I answered to :) [08:42] MacSlow: but the postal service, which transforms push messages into postal messages and notifications, does [08:42] MacSlow: i suspected as much :) [08:42] MacSlow: I suspect that the postal service is the thing that you thought was "on the drawing board" though [08:43] and it's right in there as part of the push notifications client-side daemon [08:43] Chipaca, the initial idea (similar to the sound-hint in notifications currently) was to also trigger haptic feedback through the notification-system to ensure a correct synchronization between notification-display and haptic-feedback (from the same process) [08:45] Chipaca, but the push notifications are different from the "regular" (via libnotify) notifications [08:45] MacSlow: but we're talking notifications as in unity-notifications, yes? [08:45] Chipaca, I thought so... at least that's what the question yesterday sounded like [08:46] MacSlow: (i didn't know about the sound hint for that, but not all notifications end in a "bubble", so better that we have sounds go their own way) [08:46] MacSlow: i do see your point about coordination though [08:46] JamesTait: is that an international day for beer, or a day for international beers? [08:46] Chipaca, yes! [08:47] Chipaca, there is no (libnotify) notification that is presented without a visual representation [08:47] MacSlow: this is the problem, and why i usually try to specify which kind of notification i mean when i say notification :) [08:47] Chipaca, let's say an international day for international beers. ;) [08:48] MacSlow: not all postal notifications have a visual libnotify ("popup" or "bubble") notification [08:48] Chipaca, terminology needs a better distinction between "push notification" (non-libnotify) and "regular" notification (libnotify) [08:49] MacSlow: hah. a push notification and a postal notification are different things again [08:49] MacSlow: and then there are things that are also push notifications but not the ones we handle (from the phone stack) [08:49] MacSlow: so, yeah, terminology is a problem. [08:50] MacSlow: i'm trying to call the things we deal with "push messages", "postal messages" and "postal notifications" [08:50] * mpt mulls the phrase “a notification be presented to the user as a notification” [08:51] MacSlow: where an app-provided push helper transforms a push message (sent by the app's server to the phone via the push server) into a postal message (that gets queued in a mailbox for the app) and a postal notification (that is presented (or not, according to some rules) to the user as a libnotify bubble, a messaging menu entry, an emblem counter, a vibration, and/or a sound) [08:51] Maybe we need a Venn diagram here [08:52] mpt: or a venn notification! [08:52] Chipaca, with "postal" you mean a notification triggered (by the telephony-stack) for a SMS or eMail?! [08:52] Chipaca, an issued via libnotify?! [08:52] it's notifications all the way down. They're all different though so that's ok. [08:52] MacSlow: no, "postal" because it's part of the "postal service" [08:53] MacSlow: we don't (yet) deal with telephony-stack push notifications; if we did, those would be use to pull the phone out of deep sleep, no more [08:54] MacSlow: mpt: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/ [08:56] that diagram could use some work, but it's what we've managed to produce thus far [08:57] (the diagram hasn't been updated wrt naming things to disambiguate the mess, so it might not help much at all compared to the text) [08:57] anyway. [08:57] MacSlow: mpt: hopefully this has helped clear up what you were talking about yesterday? (or at least made you aware of the difference between the things you two were talking about?) [09:01] Chipaca, so... now you want libnotify-based notifications to provide the haptic-feedback too?! I remember that "we" wanted a haptic-feedback theme (instead of that integer-pattern field) there's nothing of that sort yet iirc. [09:01] MacSlow: ... [09:01] MacSlow: no, I don't. [09:02] Chipaca, ok... good :) [09:03] MacSlow: in fact, i also think sounds shouldn't be part of libnotify [09:04] MacSlow: i would like libnotify to expose (if it doesn't already -- i haven't looked (!) ) when a notification is "shown" on screen, so we can coordinate the sounds and haptic with that [09:04] right now, there can be uncoordination between those things [09:04] Chipaca, that's the only way to ensure synchronized playback in an easy way... without that additional layer of communication [09:05] MacSlow: but afaik it isn't urgent [09:05] Chipaca, so if an app issues a push notification that consists only of sound, and the phone is in Silent Mode, do you get nothing? [09:05] mpt: yes [09:05] Or if an app issues a push notification that consists only of vibration, and the phone has vibrations turned off [09:05] mpt: yes [09:05] That seems like unfortunate API design [09:05] Chipaca, yeah... certainly something that's for later... don't have any free slots to put that in atm [09:05] MacSlow: no worries [09:06] Chipaca, I'm happy to see you've exposed the secondary-icon feature there! [09:07] MacSlow: we also came this close to being able to expose snap decisions, but it's a mess wrt messaging menu support so we dropped it [09:07] Chipaca, I had to patch several apps to use the secondary-icon for their notifications to comply with designs already [09:08] Chipaca, regarding snap-decision notifications... there's a visual overhaul and button-layout extension in the pipe currently... just for the record. [09:08] mpt: it exposes what the phone will do directly to the application developer [09:08] mpt: the alternative is to add a lot more semantics, but leave the developer less in control of what happens [09:09] mpt: i believe handing over control is better in this case [09:09] MacSlow: for libnotify, for messaging menu, for both? [09:09] Chipaca, I only deal with libnotify [09:09] Chipaca, not if 99% of the time when you issue a sound you want a vibration as the Silent-Mode equivalent. [09:09] MacSlow: lucky, lucky you [09:10] MacSlow: I've described some of the push's team work as dying a death of a hundred impedance mismatches [09:11] jdstrand, is there any apparmor policy or similar lockdown that would prevent unity8 from using the actuators to produce a rumble effect? [09:11] mpt: getting the 99% stories right and working, and also exposing the guts for the 1%, is a lot more work than we could've got in for this first iteration [09:11] mpt: i expect we'll have a nice juicy list of 99% stories for the next iteration, and we'll have a fully working stack to build them on :) [09:15] mpt: in your "vibrate instead of playing a sound if in silent mode" 99% case, what happens if they also have vibrations off? [09:16] Chipaca, that’s partly why I wasn’t intending to make vibration optional at all, but gventuri has been nagging me about it [09:17] mpt: you mean, not be able to turn off vibrations? [09:17] Chipaca, correct [09:17] that would be bad, imho [09:17] but then maybe i'm the 1% [09:18] there have often been situations in my life where the vibration was also too loud and i turned it off too [09:18] thinking of some meetings and some paternal duties [09:20] Yeah. With those kind of situations I put iOS into Airplane Mode, but that’s a bit of a blunt instrument :) [09:28] mpt: Chipaca: I've been nagging about vibrations? I was not aware of that ;-) [09:29] gventuri: depends what direction you're nagging in tho :) [09:29] gventuri, hyperbole, but you did ask about them on Wednesday [09:30] mpt: Chipaca: I believe in general we should have a good default (e.g. sound & vibration); then if people want to switch it on/off they should be able to do so [09:30] mpt: Chipaca: that's kind of obvious of course [09:30] gventuri, well, it isn’t … The current API is that apps ask for each of those things individually [09:31] mpt: right [09:31] mpt: I see what you mean [09:32] mpt: so each app has it's own switch [09:32] I wouldn't mind having a general switch in Settings [09:32] it doesn't have to be prominent [09:33] but it should be there [09:33] gventuri, we can still have global switches in System Settings, but there’s no fallback. If an app asked for sound-only and you’re in Silent Mode you won’t get a vibration instead, and vice versa [09:36] again, i need to ask: if the app only uses a sound for feedback, and we turn off sounds, moving to vibrate doesn't help [09:36] * Chipaca wonders at what point his brain turned from asking to telling [09:39] Chipaca, why wouldn’t it? [09:39] Chipaca, do you think Silent Mode should suppress vibrations too on the grounds that they’re a bit noisy? [09:39] mpt: I've don some work for 'Sound' Meego in the past, I wouldn't mind sharing it with you [09:39] gventuri, that would be cool [09:40] sound settings I mean [09:40] mpt: so, there are two scenarios [09:40] and on screen [09:40] let me re-start that [09:40] in the situation where an application developer is only using a sound to present a notification [09:40] there are two possibilities [09:41] either it is an ephemeral, transient, and low-importance thing, where losing that notification is not a big deal, so if you switch off sounds it's no big deal to not find out [09:41] or it's something important, and it should be leaving a persistent thing as well as the ephemeral one [09:42] in which case losing the sound does not lose the notification [09:42] in most cases the application developer will know whether their notifications are the one or the other [09:43] in some cases, a user will disagree and want to turn the importance of something down [09:43] and that's covered by settings already [09:43] so i'm happy [09:44] (*) i know there are less-than-ideal things going on, but i think we've enabled people that care to get it right to get it right. We can make it easier in general for the common cases, down the road. [09:44] (**) by "covered by settings" i mean the design; the code hasn't landed yet [10:18] mdeslaur, poke when you're around about password delays -- design wants them as little as possible, even the normal 1s-per-login-attemp delay (i.e. nodelay option to pam_unix) [10:18] So I'm relaying a question from them about the minimum allowed delay configuration :) [10:30] mandel: tested the content disposition filename stuff, all seems to be working correctly getting much better output from gmail now, so should fix ahayzen's issues too :) [10:30] Elleo, great news! [10:30] Elleo, if he gives the +1 Ill request a silo [10:31] mandel: great [10:33] popey, ^^ so if you guys at any point get the feedback I'll try to land the fix asap === vila is now known as vila-lunch [11:04] mterry_: ping [11:05] bzoltan1, hello! [11:05] mterry_: I tried to set the passphrase in the Settings [11:05] mterry_: I got "Internal error: user not loaded" [11:06] bzoltan1, :-/ [11:06] bzoltan1, I've not seen that error [11:06] bzoltan1, have you done an apt-get dist-upgrade recently? [11:06] bzoltan1, like manually on the terminal? [11:07] mterry_: no, it is a fresh flash [11:08] well, it is writable since you installed my adbd package :) [11:08] mterry_, did you test what happens if you call passwd n a writable image ? [11:08] mterry_: yes, as ogra_ says [11:08] bzoltan1, if you phablet-shell in, can you call passwd correctly? [11:09] it might just write to /etc/passwd by accident or some such when setting the pw [11:09] ogra_, yeah, that's what I'm normally running [11:09] ah, k [11:09] ogra_, pam_extrausers is listed first in pam.d, so we should try that first when setting [11:09] yeah, sounds fine [11:14] ogra_: mterry_: Ok.. no I have ogra's deb installed, a real password set... how I see the device with adb? [11:14] bzoltan1, got developer mode enabled in the UI ? [11:14] ogra_: yes [11:15] bzoltan1, then I think it should just work [11:15] yeah [11:17] mterry_: well, it does not :) [11:18] bzoltan1, debugging that might be more in ogra_'s realm, especially if you're testing some new adbd binary [11:18] is it listed in adb devices ? [11:19] ogra_: no [11:19] that doesnt look like developer mode is on at all [11:20] ogra_: it is on === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:21] bzoltan1, getprop persist.sys.usb.config [11:21] does that list adb [11:21] (on the device) [11:23] ogra_:ntp, adb [11:23] hmm [11:23] and is adbd running ? [11:24] mterry_: hi [11:24] mdeslaur, hello [11:24] mterry_: you mean for the first 5 tries? [11:25] ogra_: no [11:25] mdeslaur, so I was talking to Olga and there were two things she would have liked: (1) raising the number of tries higher than 5 before triggering a delay and (2) adding the nodelay option to pam_extrausers (she didn't phrase it like that, but she didn't like the forced second delay from pam) [11:26] mdeslaur, removing nodelay means that you can more easily brute-force pam though, since the 5-failure delay is just UI-side [11:26] *adding nodealy [11:26] *delay [11:26] :) [11:26] mterry_: meh, you can just drop the connection after a couple of milliseconds and try again === vila-lunch is now known as vila [11:26] bzoltan1, check /var/log/upstart/android-tools-adbd.log [11:26] mdeslaur, oh so what is the delay even for? [11:26] why it didnt start on boot [11:27] mterry_: well, it does help, but it's not a great help :) [11:27] mterry_: this is the ios delay periods: http://cinnamonthoughts.org/2010/09/13/ios-passcode-waiting-intervals-for-failed-attempts/ [11:27] mdeslaur, well wait -- you wait for the delay to see if you succeed [11:27] ogra_: like typing that much? [11:27] mdeslaur, so you couldn't drop connection, because you might have hit the right password [11:27] mterry_: so for 6 tries, it's locked for a minute, and 7 tries, it's locked for 5 minutes [11:28] mterry_: yes, but the right password returns success right away [11:28] mdeslaur, oh [11:28] bzoltan1, you know that double tap in the terminal app mimics the tab key, right ? [11:28] mterry_: I'm ok with removing the delay...but how much higher than 5 did she want it? [11:28] mdeslaur, olga randomly floated 10 failures, but I'm not sure she's got a specific number in mind [11:28] * bzoltan1 hugs ogra_ [11:28] :) [11:29] mterry_: so 7 is good on ios, sound like it could be good for us too [11:29] why not 10 ? [11:29] its a more round number :) [11:29] mdeslaur, so 7 failures, we lock for 5 minutes [11:30] ogra_: I dunno, I feel even 7 is high...if I see you do a pattern on your phone, I can try a bunch of times to get it right [11:30] yeah [11:32] ogra_: ehhh.... adb does not like my phablet passwd ... it is passwd [11:32] lol [11:32] that being said, I don't care enough to debate this...if people feel strongly that it should be more than 5, rather it be 7 or 10, I don't really care...my preference is 5, then 7, then 10 [11:32] right, i should have told you [11:33] if your passwd matches the username or is passwd adbd will refuse to start [11:33] and indeed if it is empty [11:33] ogra_: all right... now reboot and let's see [11:33] yeah === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [11:34] the final package wont need a reboot, it will just be tied to the usb setting [11:35] mdeslaur, I don't think Olga has a specific number in mind, although she would probably prefer we don't do it at all. (though I don't want to speak for her, just the impression I got). She cared more about the nodelay option. So I told her I'd ask you for a number recommendation [11:36] mdeslaur, I'll see what she says about 5, 7, 10 and see if she doesn't really care [11:36] Softened by the nodelay boon [11:36] hehe [11:36] 5 min delay though? Man, I had heard 5 sec before. :) Big difference [11:36] heard == misheard [11:36] * ogra_ bets olga just uses dice [11:37] oh, wait ... but that qould be a 7 sided dice then :P [11:37] *would [11:37] mterry_: as I designer, I would want a button on the lock screen that would enter my pin for me [11:37] ;) [11:38] iris scans are the future anyway [11:38] after fingerprints were a flop [11:38] * popey pokes ogra_ in the eye [11:38] ouch !! [11:42] mdeslaur, :) OK Olga wasn't jumping for joy, but can live with 5 [11:43] mterry_: actually...set it to 7 attempts...now that I think about it, fumbling your NIP 5 times does seem likely to happen [11:43] s/NIP/PIN/ [11:43] mdeslaur, I just negotiated you the deal of the century, and now you're backing out! [11:43] ;) [11:44] yeah, I've been known to change my mind sometimes :) [11:45] mterry_: or do the timetable that ios uses, since you're now implementing this in the greeter....1 min after 6 attempts, 5 min after 7 [11:45] mdeslaur, she didn't seem to care about the gradual lockout [11:45] Could do it, but no push from design at least [11:46] ok [11:47] mterry_: my bikeshed locks me out after 7 attempts [11:47] ;) [11:47] :) [11:47] mdeslaur, I was about to ask, "really?" [11:48] haha [11:48] mterry_: please put a slider on the lock screen itself that the user can use to decide :P [11:48] mdeslaur, or just a checkbox "Require passcode" [11:49] hehe === Stskeepz is now known as Stskeeps [11:56] is the emulator expected to currently work? I went through the first time setup screen, but now the screen just stays black [11:58] how can i find what are all the packages updated in 14.04.1 from 14.04 [11:59] tvoss, perhaps a stupid question, but what's the difference between the "Location detection" and "GPS" options in the location indicator? [12:01] ogra_: I assume that phablet user can not `setprop persist.service.ssh true` without sudo [12:05] bzoltan1, right [12:05] ogra_: and of course it is not set by default ... [12:05] indeed [12:05] ogra_: how ice [12:05] nice I mean [12:06] i *could* make it a dbus user switchable property ... but that would cause sleepless nights for mdeslaur :) [12:09] mterry_: re actuators and unity8> unity8 itself is not confined, so I doubt it. to be sure, do 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog' at the time you think there could be a denial. if you don't see anything, that shouldn't be it [12:17] ogra_: I would vote on turning on the ssh when the developer mode is switched on. Or would that be resource expensive? [12:18] it wouldnt but it would offer one more open attack vector [12:18] ask the security team ... if they tell me i should, i will ;) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:21] dpm, location detection can leverage pretty much anything mechanism for determining a position, gps is the specific satellite-based positioning [12:26] so if i point with my finger it will pick that up ? [12:26] :) [12:28] tvoss, so combining the two then the "Location detection" switch would be the A in A-GPS? [12:28] dpm, yup [12:28] ok, thanks [12:28] dpm, although disabling location detection also disables gps [12:28] ah, that was going to be my next question [12:29] it seems the indicator does not imply that, which might be confusing. I.e. if I uncheck "Location detection", the "GPS" switch is still on [12:31] dpm, ack ...can you log a bug? [12:35] tvoss, bug 1351299 [12:35] bug 1351299 in Indicator Location "GPS switch should be turned off when "Location detection" is off" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1351299 === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [12:36] dpm, thanks [12:38] rsalveti: is the emulator currently known to be broken? === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:56] jdstrand, OK. :-/ I didn't see anything in the logs [12:56] elopio, hi, re that notes test, I had some questions [12:56] tedg: do you know if there's a way to have g_settings_new not throw a signal if it can't find a schema? (something saner like returning NULL on error like most other *_new in glib?) [12:57] * mterry_ eagerly awaits tedg's response :) [12:57] mandel: now we have a pdf reader in the store, would be good if we could download PDFs to ~/Documents (or wherever) .. ? ☻ [12:57] mterry_: where is it biting you? [12:58] Chipaca, sorry I could have given a more helpful response -- no, you can't fix that, the author of that code is a fan of aborts on errors. A long standing bugbear. There should be a way to look up the existence of a schema first though [12:59] :-( [12:59] brendand, ^^notes test [13:00] pmcgowan, questions? [13:00] mterry_: i guess i'll take having a race condition over having the whole thing explode in my face any day [13:00] brendand, yeah, you said in the bug that ap wasnt returning the correct sizes [13:01] the test itself looks fine (and hasnt changed) [13:01] so where is the regression? [13:01] Chipaca, mterry_, you can use https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.40/gio-GSettingsSchema-GSettingsSchemaSource.html#g-settings-schema-source-lookup [13:01] but usually you should have a depends on whatever ships the schemas you need [13:01] pmcgowan, could be in the app, or the ui toolkit [13:02] brendand, so app hasnt changed either, hence no one working on it [13:02] pmcgowan, it wouldn't have anything to do with AP itself (i don't think) [13:02] but again, the test logic is ok, so why would the object dims be wrong [13:02] I am not sure how all that ap stuff works === _salem is now known as salem_ [13:03] pmcgowan, the test assumed that the content widget and the note widget are different sizes, but they are the same now, for some reason [13:03] ok that could be toolkit related === chihchun is now known as chihchun_afk [13:03] brendand, if so thats a one line fix to the test [13:04] seb128: and does that throw a signal if it doesn't find it? [13:04] * Chipaca is ridiculously upset by this [13:04] mdeslaur: which emulator image are you trying? [13:04] * Chipaca takes a walk to chill [13:04] nik90: whatever today's default is [13:04] nik90: how do I find out? [13:04] mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator list [13:05] oh, duh :) [13:05] Chipaca, signal? that's an api you can check, but the schemas is like a library, if you need it, you depends on it [13:05] nik90: let me reinstall, one sec [13:05] mdeslaur: ;) I have emulator 166 running (albeit with some small issues) [13:07] nik90: aatest ubuntu=20140728,device=20140725.1,version=157 [13:07] mdeslaur: ah yes image 157..nope that doesn't work for me either. Unity8 fails to load there [13:07] nik90: how do I install 166? [13:07] is it a different channel? [13:07] mdeslaur: devel-proposed [13:07] seb128: I don't like it, both at a conceptual level, and at a more pragmatic it-makes-my-life-a-lot-harder level [13:08] mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator create myInstance --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed --arch=i386 [13:08] nik90: ah, thanks...trying now [13:08] mdeslaur: yw [13:08] Chipaca, how so? [13:09] Chipaca, the schemas provides what is needed for you to have a valid default and type checking [13:09] Chipaca, what's the big deal to ensure the schemas you use are installed? [13:09] just depends on those [13:09] well, anyway, going for a walk as well [13:09] bbl [13:09] seb128: the big deal is it hard crashes the test suite [13:10] well, just ensure you install what you use [13:10] unless i install a package that is not for the machine i am on [13:10] if you were running your testsuite without libc installed it would be unhappy as well [13:10] seb128: you're seriously comparing a settings framework with libc? [13:11] Chipaca, change libc for gettext if you prefer [13:11] or whatever other things you use and that would make things unhappy if not thre [13:11] it's not like gsettings was the only one in this case [13:11] but anyway, I'm away for a bit, bbl [13:12] pmcgowan, you can try out sim name editor as well as default sim for calls using these debs http://people.canonical.com/~jonas/system-settings/sim-rename/ [13:13] jgdx, I got but one sim still ;) [13:13] pmcgowan, ouch :p [13:15] nik90: great, that worked, thanks! [13:15] mdeslaur: yay [13:20] ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one? === chihchun_afk is now known as chihchun [13:25] pmcgowan: hello [13:29] ogra_: the good news is that with very little change in the SDK scripts I can keep the most important features alive. One thing we need to figure out is ho to handle the phablet password of the devices in the SDK. [13:35] ogra_ / sergiusens, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-sync/add-youtube-scope/+merge/229065 pls? [13:37] mhr3: yup [13:37] * sergiusens added the MP to his queue [13:38] oSoMoN, if you didnt set a PW it shoudl be empty and not ask you ... /me points to mterry_ [13:39] ogra_, true... where's oSoMoN's comment about it? [13:40] mterry_, a few lines up ... [13:40] ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one? [13:40] I keep on waiting on my ubuntu phone. Keep up a good work guys. [13:40] oSoMoN, desktop or phone? [13:40] mterry_, phone [13:41] oSoMoN, yar... you shouldn't be getting a prompt [13:41] oSoMoN, what are the contents of /var/lib/extrausers/shadow? [13:41] derek-g: great news, no need to wait, you can get a phone to run ubuntu here! http://tinyurl.com/lmorzwq [13:42] popey, yeah. I want official preinstalled one though... [13:43]