[00:19] <charles> nik90, FYI I updated the haptic feedback property @ https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1350017-haptic-feedback-for-alarms/+merge/229144
[00:26] <nik90> charles: thnx, will take a look in the morning
[00:33] <K1773R> can you remote control the UI from a PC?
[00:39] <diego_> hi guys i cant get run ubuntu-emulator
[00:40] <diego_> hi, can u help me?
[00:46] <Elleo> mandel: sorry, was on holiday today; will give it a test first thing in the morning
[00:47] <Elleo> kenvandine: we're waiting on a reworking of the context menu system to give us the info we need to do downloads like that properly (currently we don't have access to mimetype, etc.)
[00:51] <diego_> hello?
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> nice work on the new touch update guys!!!
[01:47] <lotuspsychje> looking neat
[02:17] <twagner> hello
[02:17] <lotuspsychje> twagner: hi
[02:17] <twagner> anyone here a porting guru?
[02:18] <lotuspsychje> twagner: wich device are you trying touch on?
[02:18] <twagner> Asus tf201
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> twagner: check XDA forums for your device port
[02:19] <lotuspsychje> for now ubuntu touch works best on nexus devices
[02:19] <twagner> yeah, the guy working on it at xda is me :)
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> lolz
[02:20] <lotuspsychje> i bought me a nexus7 2013 specially for ubuntu touch
[02:21] <twagner> so I'm trying to clarify the porting guide now that we are moving to the flipped model
[02:21] <lotuspsychje> twagner: maybe when meizu and bq phones release, more devices will install more easily in the future?
[02:23] <twagner> maybe, I was able to boot a tf300t port with limited hardware working
[02:23] <twagner> so I decided to build for the tf201
[02:24] <twagner> but the source has moved to a flipped model and the guide seems to be behind
[02:25] <twagner> so I was hoping someone here could clarify what needs to happen with the compiled files
[02:25] <lotuspsychje> twagner: did you see this1? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaT5JsZQQyU
[02:26] <twagner> before the flip I would replace the system partition with the system.IMG file I compiled and the roots was just in /data/ubuntu
[02:26] <twagner> rootfs
[02:26] <lotuspsychje> well cant help you with that, not really a dev myself
[02:27] <twagner> no worries
[02:31] <twagner> so...any porting guru's out there?
[03:09] <mhall119> bzoltan: zbenjamin: when one of you gets in, can https://bugs.launchpad.net/qtcreator-plugin-ubuntu/+bug/1349586 please be triaged and assigned
[03:14] <slangasek> rsalveti: why have the non-EDGE skins been dropped from the ubuntu-emulator-runtime package?
[03:14] <rsalveti> slangasek: afaik they are still there
[03:14] <slangasek> rsalveti: oh; they haven't, they're just in a different path that's not being found, hmmm
[03:14] <rsalveti> I got a bunch of skins here
[03:15] <rsalveti> hm, right
[03:15] <slangasek> rsalveti: does --skin= work for you?
[03:15] <rsalveti> let me try
[03:15] <rsalveti> maybe that got broken once we did the switch to edge
[03:16] <slangasek> that switch was a long time ago
[03:16] <slangasek> and --skin has worked since then, it's because of EDGE that I use it ;)
[03:16] <slangasek> oh - nevermind
[03:16] <rsalveti> hm, worked fine here
[03:16] <slangasek> the selected skin *is* being used
[03:16] <slangasek> but the window got taller for some other reason
[03:19] <doflaherty> I just got a qtcreator update - is there an explanation somewhere of how Kits work?
[03:35] <AskUbuntu> I need the source code to build a ubuntu phone rom for the moto x | http://askubuntu.com/q/505282
[03:50] <lotuspsychje> !devices
[06:36] <dholbach> good morning
[07:11] <pitti> sil2100: is https://code.launchpad.net/~unity-team/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu-touch.utopic-qtcomp/+merge/226441 something which shoudl land now? (looking at it as part of my sponsoring shift)
[08:12] <pitti> sil2100: nevermind, it was already seeded
[08:15] <mterry> Elleo, hello!  I want to add a HapticsEffect to the greeter, much like you have in ubuntu-keyboard.  But it doesn't *seem* to be doing anything.  Is there some permission I need to enable to be able to use the actuators or some setup or something?
[08:22] <Elleo> mterry: not that I'm aware of, but iirc bfiller did the initial implementation of that for the keyboard, so there may have been something extra he did that I'm unaware of
[08:23] <Elleo> that said AbstractButton in the SDK should use it in any app really, so I'd imagine there can't be anything extra needed
[08:24] <Chipaca> MacSlow: ping
[08:35] <MacSlow> Chipaca, yup?
[08:36] <Chipaca> MacSlow: mpt told me yesterday you told dferri that apps can't trigger vibrations as notifications
[08:36] <Chipaca> MacSlow: you told me that too
[08:37] <MacSlow> Chipaca, correct... that's not possible currently.
[08:37] <Chipaca> MacSlow: i'd like a little bit of context as to when and where and how you said that, because for some contexts you're misinformed :)
[08:38] <Chipaca> MacSlow: given that the postal service currently exposes a way for an application to request a notification be presented to the user as a notification
[08:38] <JamesTait> Good morning all; happy Friday and happy World Wide Web Day! :-D
[08:39] <Chipaca> MacSlow: now, having said that, an application can't itself vibrate the device
[08:39] <Chipaca> MacSlow: so, depending on the context, you might've been right
[08:40] <Chipaca> JamesTait: ! :)
[08:40] <Chipaca> MacSlow: but if you understand an application as more than the .desktop-toting window-having thing, then it's wrong
[08:41] <MacSlow> Chipaca, the notifications (as in lp:unity-notifications and the notification-renderer in unity8) do not have the ability to trigger any haptic feedback.
[08:41] <JamesTait> Chipaca, I'm spoiled for choice today - happy International Beer Day, too. ;)
[08:41] <Chipaca> MacSlow: that is correct, nor should they
[08:41] <MacSlow> Chipaca, that's what I've been asked yesterday and what I answered to :)
[08:42] <Chipaca> MacSlow: but the postal service, which transforms push messages into postal messages and notifications, does
[08:42] <Chipaca> MacSlow: i suspected as much :)
[08:42] <Chipaca> MacSlow: I suspect that the postal service is the thing that you thought was "on the drawing board" though
[08:43] <Chipaca> and it's right in there as part of the push notifications client-side daemon
[08:43] <MacSlow> Chipaca, the initial idea (similar to the sound-hint in notifications currently) was to also trigger haptic feedback through the notification-system to ensure a correct synchronization between notification-display and haptic-feedback (from the same process)
[08:45] <MacSlow> Chipaca, but the push notifications are different from the "regular" (via libnotify) notifications
[08:45] <Chipaca> MacSlow: but we're talking notifications as in unity-notifications, yes?
[08:45] <MacSlow> Chipaca, I thought so... at least that's what the question yesterday sounded like
[08:46] <Chipaca> MacSlow: (i didn't know about the sound hint for that, but not all notifications end in a "bubble", so better that we have sounds go their own way)
[08:46] <Chipaca> MacSlow: i do see your point about coordination though
[08:46] <Chipaca> JamesTait: is that an international day for beer, or a day for international beers?
[08:46] <JamesTait> Chipaca, yes!
[08:47] <MacSlow> Chipaca, there is no (libnotify) notification that is presented without a visual representation
[08:47] <Chipaca> MacSlow: this is the problem, and why i usually try to specify which kind of notification i mean when i say notification :)
[08:47] <JamesTait> Chipaca, let's say an international day for international beers. ;)
[08:48] <Chipaca> MacSlow: not all postal notifications have a visual libnotify ("popup" or "bubble") notification
[08:48] <MacSlow> Chipaca, terminology needs a better distinction between "push notification" (non-libnotify) and "regular" notification (libnotify)
[08:49] <Chipaca> MacSlow: hah. a push notification and a postal notification are different things again
[08:49] <Chipaca> MacSlow: and then there are things that are also push notifications but not the ones we handle (from the phone stack)
[08:49] <Chipaca> MacSlow: so, yeah, terminology is a problem.
[08:50] <Chipaca> MacSlow: i'm trying to call the things we deal with "push messages", "postal messages" and "postal notifications"
[08:50]  * mpt mulls the phrase “a notification be presented to the user as a notification”
[08:51] <Chipaca> MacSlow: where an app-provided push helper transforms a push message (sent by the app's server to the phone via the push server) into a postal message (that gets queued in a mailbox for the app) and a postal notification (that is presented (or not, according to some rules) to the user as a libnotify bubble, a messaging menu entry, an emblem counter, a vibration, and/or a sound)
[08:51] <mpt> Maybe we need a Venn diagram here
[08:52] <Chipaca> mpt: or a venn notification!
[08:52] <MacSlow> Chipaca, with "postal" you mean a notification triggered (by the telephony-stack) for a SMS or eMail?!
[08:52] <MacSlow> Chipaca, an issued via libnotify?!
[08:52] <Chipaca> it's notifications all the way down. They're all different though so that's ok.
[08:52] <Chipaca> MacSlow: no, "postal" because it's part of the "postal service"
[08:53] <Chipaca> MacSlow: we don't (yet) deal with telephony-stack push notifications; if we did, those would be use to pull the phone out of deep sleep, no more
[08:54] <Chipaca> MacSlow: mpt: http://developer.ubuntu.com/apps/platform/guides/push-notifications-server-guide/
[08:56] <Chipaca> that diagram could use some work, but it's what we've managed to produce thus far
[08:57] <Chipaca> (the diagram hasn't been updated wrt naming things to disambiguate the mess, so it might not help much at all compared to the text)
[08:57] <Chipaca> anyway.
[08:57] <Chipaca> MacSlow: mpt: hopefully this has helped clear up what you were talking about yesterday? (or at least made you aware of the difference between the things you two were talking about?)
[09:01] <MacSlow> Chipaca, so... now you want libnotify-based notifications to provide the haptic-feedback too?! I remember that "we" wanted a haptic-feedback theme (instead of that integer-pattern field) there's nothing of that sort yet iirc.
[09:01] <Chipaca> MacSlow: ...
[09:01] <Chipaca> MacSlow: no, I don't.
[09:02] <MacSlow> Chipaca, ok... good :)
[09:03] <Chipaca> MacSlow: in fact, i also think sounds shouldn't be part of libnotify
[09:04] <Chipaca> MacSlow: i would like libnotify to expose (if it doesn't already -- i haven't looked (!) ) when a notification is "shown" on screen, so we can coordinate the sounds and haptic with that
[09:04] <Chipaca> right now, there can be uncoordination between those things
[09:04] <MacSlow> Chipaca, that's the only way to ensure synchronized playback in an easy way... without that additional layer of communication
[09:05] <Chipaca> MacSlow: but afaik it isn't urgent
[09:05] <mpt> Chipaca, so if an app issues a push notification that consists only of sound, and the phone is in Silent Mode, do you get nothing?
[09:05] <Chipaca> mpt: yes
[09:05] <mpt> Or if an app issues a push notification that consists only of vibration, and the phone has vibrations turned off
[09:05] <Chipaca> mpt: yes
[09:05] <mpt> That seems like unfortunate API design
[09:05] <MacSlow> Chipaca, yeah... certainly something that's for later... don't have any free slots to put that in atm
[09:05] <Chipaca> MacSlow: no worries
[09:06] <MacSlow> Chipaca, I'm happy to see you've exposed the secondary-icon feature there!
[09:07] <Chipaca> MacSlow: we also came this close to being able to expose snap decisions, but it's a mess wrt messaging menu support so we dropped it
[09:07] <MacSlow> Chipaca, I had to patch several apps to use the secondary-icon for their notifications to comply with designs already
[09:08] <MacSlow> Chipaca, regarding snap-decision notifications... there's a visual overhaul and button-layout extension in the pipe currently... just for the record.
[09:08] <Chipaca> mpt: it exposes what the phone will do directly to the application developer
[09:08] <Chipaca> mpt: the alternative is to add a lot more semantics, but leave the developer less in control of what happens
[09:09] <Chipaca> mpt: i believe handing over control is better in this case
[09:09] <Chipaca> MacSlow: for libnotify, for messaging menu, for both?
[09:09] <MacSlow> Chipaca, I only deal with libnotify
[09:09] <mpt> Chipaca, not if 99% of the time when you issue a sound you want a vibration as the Silent-Mode equivalent.
[09:09] <Chipaca> MacSlow: lucky, lucky you
[09:10] <Chipaca> MacSlow: I've described some of the push's team work as dying a death of a hundred impedance mismatches
[09:11] <mterry> jdstrand, is there any apparmor policy or similar lockdown that would prevent unity8 from using the actuators to produce a rumble effect?
[09:11] <Chipaca> mpt: getting the 99% stories right and working, and also exposing the guts for the 1%, is a lot more work than we could've got in for this first iteration
[09:11] <Chipaca> mpt: i expect we'll have a nice juicy list of 99% stories for the next iteration, and we'll have a fully working stack to build them on :)
[09:15] <Chipaca> mpt: in your "vibrate instead of playing a sound if in silent mode" 99% case, what happens if they also have vibrations off?
[09:16] <mpt> Chipaca, that’s partly why I wasn’t intending to make vibration optional at all, but gventuri has been nagging me about it
[09:17] <Chipaca> mpt: you mean, not be able to turn off vibrations?
[09:17] <mpt> Chipaca, correct
[09:17] <Chipaca> that would be bad, imho
[09:17] <Chipaca> but then maybe i'm the 1%
[09:18] <Chipaca> there have often been situations in my life where the vibration was also too loud and i turned it off too
[09:18] <Chipaca> thinking of some meetings and some paternal duties
[09:20] <mpt> Yeah. With those kind of situations I put iOS into Airplane Mode, but that’s a bit of a blunt instrument :)
[09:28] <gventuri> mpt: Chipaca: I've been nagging about vibrations? I was not aware of that ;-)
[09:29] <Chipaca> gventuri: depends what direction you're nagging in tho :)
[09:29] <mpt> gventuri, hyperbole, but you did ask about them on Wednesday
[09:30] <gventuri> mpt: Chipaca: I believe in general we should have a good default (e.g. sound & vibration); then if people want to switch it on/off they should be able to do so
[09:30] <gventuri> mpt: Chipaca: that's kind of obvious of course
[09:30] <mpt> gventuri, well, it isn’t … The current API is that apps ask for each of those things individually
[09:31] <gventuri> mpt: right
[09:31] <gventuri> mpt: I see what you mean
[09:32] <gventuri> mpt: so each app has it's own switch
[09:32] <gventuri> I wouldn't mind having a general switch in Settings
[09:32] <gventuri> it doesn't have to be prominent
[09:33] <gventuri> but it should be there
[09:33] <mpt> gventuri, we can still have global switches in System Settings, but there’s no fallback. If an app asked for sound-only and you’re in Silent Mode you won’t get a vibration instead, and vice versa
[09:36] <Chipaca> again, i need to ask: if the app only uses a sound for feedback, and we turn off sounds, moving to vibrate doesn't help
[09:36]  * Chipaca wonders at what point his brain turned from asking to telling
[09:39] <mpt> Chipaca, why wouldn’t it?
[09:39] <mpt> Chipaca, do you think Silent Mode should suppress vibrations too on the grounds that they’re a bit noisy?
[09:39] <gventuri> mpt: I've don some work for 'Sound' Meego in the past, I wouldn't mind sharing it with you
[09:39] <mpt> gventuri, that would be cool
[09:40] <gventuri> sound settings I mean
[09:40] <Chipaca> mpt: so, there are two scenarios
[09:40] <gventuri> and on screen
[09:40] <Chipaca> let me re-start that
[09:40] <Chipaca> in the situation where an application developer is only using a sound to present a notification
[09:40] <Chipaca> there are two possibilities
[09:41] <Chipaca> either it is an ephemeral, transient, and low-importance thing, where losing that notification is not a big deal, so if you switch off sounds it's no big deal to not find out
[09:41] <Chipaca> or it's something important, and it should be leaving a persistent thing as well as the ephemeral one
[09:42] <Chipaca> in which case losing the sound does not lose the notification
[09:42] <Chipaca> in most cases the application developer will know whether their notifications are the one or the other
[09:43] <Chipaca> in some cases, a user will disagree and want to turn the importance of something down
[09:43] <Chipaca> and that's covered by settings already
[09:43] <Chipaca> so i'm happy
[09:44] <Chipaca> (*) i know there are less-than-ideal things going on, but i think we've enabled people that care to get it right to get it right. We can make it easier in general for the common cases, down the road.
[09:44] <Chipaca> (**) by "covered by settings" i mean the design; the code hasn't landed yet
[10:18] <mterry_> mdeslaur, poke when you're around about password delays -- design wants them as little as possible, even the normal 1s-per-login-attemp delay (i.e. nodelay option to pam_unix)
[10:18] <mterry_> So I'm relaying a question from them about the minimum allowed delay configuration  :)
[10:30] <Elleo> mandel: tested the content disposition filename stuff, all seems to be working correctly getting much better output from gmail now, so should fix ahayzen's issues too :)
[10:30] <mandel> Elleo, great news!
[10:30] <mandel> Elleo, if he gives the +1 Ill request a silo
[10:31] <Elleo> mandel: great
[10:33] <mandel> popey, ^^ so if you guys at any point get the feedback I'll try to land the fix asap
[11:04] <bzoltan1> mterry_: ping
[11:05] <mterry_> bzoltan1, hello!
[11:05] <bzoltan1> mterry_:  I tried to set the passphrase in the Settings
[11:05] <bzoltan1> mterry_: I got "Internal error: user not loaded"
[11:06] <mterry_> bzoltan1, :-/
[11:06] <mterry_> bzoltan1, I've not seen that error
[11:06] <mterry_> bzoltan1, have you done an apt-get dist-upgrade recently?
[11:06] <mterry_> bzoltan1, like manually on the terminal?
[11:07] <bzoltan1> mterry_: no, it is a fresh flash
[11:08] <ogra_> well, it is writable since you installed my adbd package :)
[11:08] <ogra_> mterry_, did you test what happens if you call passwd n a writable image ?
[11:08] <bzoltan1> mterry_: yes, as ogra_ says
[11:08] <mterry_> bzoltan1, if you phablet-shell in, can you call passwd correctly?
[11:09] <ogra_> it might just write to /etc/passwd by accident or some such when setting the pw
[11:09] <mterry_> ogra_, yeah, that's what I'm normally running
[11:09] <ogra_> ah, k
[11:09] <mterry_> ogra_, pam_extrausers is listed first in pam.d, so we should try that first when setting
[11:09] <ogra_> yeah, sounds fine
[11:14] <bzoltan1> ogra_: mterry_: Ok.. no I have ogra's deb installed, a real password set... how I see the device with adb?
[11:14] <ogra_> bzoltan1, got developer mode enabled in the UI ?
[11:14] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  yes
[11:15] <mterry_> bzoltan1, then I think it should just work
[11:15] <ogra_> yeah
[11:17] <bzoltan1> mterry_: well, it does not :)
[11:18] <mterry_> bzoltan1, debugging that might be more in ogra_'s realm, especially if you're testing some new adbd binary
[11:18] <ogra_> is it listed in adb devices ?
[11:19] <bzoltan1> ogra_: no
[11:19] <ogra_> that doesnt look like developer mode is on at all
[11:20] <bzoltan1> ogra_: it is on
[11:21] <ogra_> bzoltan1, getprop persist.sys.usb.config
[11:21] <ogra_> does that list adb
[11:21] <ogra_> (on the device)
[11:23] <bzoltan1> ogra_:ntp, adb
[11:23] <ogra_> hmm
[11:23] <ogra_> and is adbd running ?
[11:24] <mdeslaur> mterry_: hi
[11:24] <mterry_> mdeslaur, hello
[11:24] <mdeslaur> mterry_: you mean for the first 5 tries?
[11:25] <bzoltan1> ogra_: no
[11:25] <mterry_> mdeslaur, so I was talking to Olga and there were two things she would have liked:  (1) raising the number of tries higher than 5 before triggering a delay and (2) adding the nodelay option to pam_extrausers (she didn't phrase it like that, but she didn't like the forced second delay from pam)
[11:26] <mterry_> mdeslaur, removing nodelay means that you can more easily brute-force pam though, since the 5-failure delay is just UI-side
[11:26] <mterry_> *adding nodealy
[11:26] <mterry_> *delay
[11:26] <mterry_> :)
[11:26] <mdeslaur> mterry_: meh, you can just drop the connection after a couple of milliseconds and try again
[11:26] <ogra_> bzoltan1, check /var/log/upstart/android-tools-adbd.log
[11:26] <mterry_> mdeslaur, oh so what is the delay even for?
[11:26] <ogra_> why it didnt start on boot
[11:27] <mdeslaur> mterry_: well, it does help, but it's not a great help :)
[11:27] <mdeslaur> mterry_: this is the ios delay periods: http://cinnamonthoughts.org/2010/09/13/ios-passcode-waiting-intervals-for-failed-attempts/
[11:27] <mterry_> mdeslaur, well wait -- you wait for the delay to see if you succeed
[11:27] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  like typing that much?
[11:27] <mterry_> mdeslaur, so you couldn't drop connection, because you might have hit the right password
[11:27] <mdeslaur> mterry_: so for 6 tries, it's locked for a minute, and 7 tries, it's locked for 5 minutes
[11:28] <mdeslaur> mterry_: yes, but the right password returns success right away
[11:28] <mterry_> mdeslaur, oh
[11:28] <ogra_> bzoltan1, you know that double tap in the terminal app mimics the tab key, right ?
[11:28] <mdeslaur> mterry_: I'm ok with removing the delay...but how much higher than 5 did she want it?
[11:28] <mterry_> mdeslaur, olga randomly floated 10 failures, but I'm not sure she's got a specific number in mind
[11:28]  * bzoltan1 hugs ogra_
[11:28] <ogra_> :)
[11:29] <mdeslaur> mterry_: so 7 is good on ios, sound like it could be good for us too
[11:29] <ogra_> why not 10 ?
[11:29] <ogra_> its a more round number :)
[11:29] <mterry_> mdeslaur, so 7 failures, we lock for 5 minutes
[11:30] <mdeslaur> ogra_: I dunno, I feel even 7 is high...if I see you do a pattern on your phone, I can try a bunch of times to get it right
[11:30] <ogra_> yeah
[11:32] <bzoltan1> ogra_: ehhh.... adb does not like my phablet passwd ... it is passwd
[11:32] <ogra_> lol
[11:32] <mdeslaur> that being said, I don't care enough to debate this...if people feel strongly that it should be more than 5, rather it be 7 or 10, I don't really care...my preference is 5, then 7, then 10
[11:32] <ogra_> right, i should have told you
[11:33] <ogra_> if your passwd matches the username or is passwd adbd will refuse to start
[11:33] <ogra_> and indeed if it is empty
[11:33] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  all right... now reboot and let's see
[11:33] <ogra_> yeah
[11:34] <ogra_> the final package wont need a reboot, it will just be tied to the usb setting
[11:35] <mterry_> mdeslaur, I don't think Olga has a specific number in mind, although she would probably prefer we don't do it at all.  (though I don't want to speak for her, just the impression I got).  She cared more about the nodelay option.  So I told her I'd ask you for a number recommendation
[11:36] <mterry_> mdeslaur, I'll see what she says about 5, 7, 10 and see if she doesn't really care
[11:36] <mterry_> Softened by the nodelay boon
[11:36] <mdeslaur> hehe
[11:36] <mterry_> 5 min delay though?  Man, I had heard 5 sec before.   :)  Big difference
[11:36] <mterry_> heard == misheard
[11:36]  * ogra_ bets olga just uses dice
[11:37] <ogra_> oh, wait ... but that qould be a 7 sided dice then :P
[11:37] <ogra_> *would
[11:37] <mdeslaur> mterry_: as I designer, I would want a button on the lock screen that would enter my pin for me
[11:37] <mdeslaur> ;)
[11:38] <ogra_> iris scans are the future anyway
[11:38] <ogra_> after fingerprints were a flop
[11:38]  * popey pokes ogra_ in the eye
[11:38] <ogra_> ouch !!
[11:42] <mterry_> mdeslaur, :)  OK Olga wasn't jumping for joy, but can live with 5
[11:43] <mdeslaur> mterry_: actually...set it to 7 attempts...now that I think about it, fumbling your NIP 5 times does seem likely to happen
[11:43] <mdeslaur> s/NIP/PIN/
[11:43] <mterry_> mdeslaur, I just negotiated you the deal of the century, and now you're backing out!
[11:43] <mterry_> ;)
[11:44] <mdeslaur> yeah, I've been known to change my mind sometimes :)
[11:45] <mdeslaur> mterry_: or do the timetable that ios uses, since you're now implementing this in the greeter....1 min after 6 attempts, 5 min after 7
[11:45] <mterry_> mdeslaur, she didn't seem to care about the gradual lockout
[11:45] <mterry_> Could do it, but no push from design at least
[11:46] <mdeslaur> ok
[11:47] <mdeslaur> mterry_: my bikeshed locks me out after 7 attempts
[11:47] <mdeslaur> ;)
[11:47] <mterry_> :)
[11:47] <mterry_> mdeslaur, I was about to ask, "really?"
[11:48] <mdeslaur> haha
[11:48] <mdeslaur> mterry_: please put a slider on the lock screen itself that the user can use to decide :P
[11:48] <mterry_> mdeslaur, or just a checkbox "Require passcode"
[11:49] <mdeslaur> hehe
[11:56] <mdeslaur> is the emulator expected to currently work? I went through the first time setup screen, but now the screen just stays black
[11:58] <uga> how can i find what are all the packages updated in 14.04.1 from 14.04
[11:59] <dpm> tvoss, perhaps a stupid question, but what's the difference between the "Location detection" and "GPS" options in the location indicator?
[12:01] <bzoltan1> ogra_: I assume that phablet user can not `setprop persist.service.ssh true` without sudo
[12:05] <ogra_> bzoltan1, right
[12:05] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  and of course it is not set by default ...
[12:05] <ogra_> indeed
[12:05] <bzoltan1> ogra_: how ice
[12:05] <bzoltan1> nice I mean
[12:06] <ogra_> i *could* make it a dbus user switchable property ... but that would cause sleepless nights for mdeslaur :)
[12:09] <jdstrand> mterry_: re actuators and unity8> unity8 itself is not confined, so I doubt it. to be sure, do 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog' at the time you think there could be a denial. if you don't see anything, that shouldn't be it
[12:17] <bzoltan1> ogra_: I would vote on turning on the ssh when the developer mode is switched on. Or would that be resource expensive?
[12:18] <ogra_> it wouldnt but it would offer one more open attack vector
[12:18] <ogra_> ask the security team ... if they tell me i should, i will ;)
[12:21] <tvoss> dpm, location detection can leverage pretty much anything mechanism for determining a position, gps is the specific satellite-based positioning
[12:26] <ogra_> so if i point with my finger it will pick that up ?
[12:26] <ogra_> :)
[12:28] <dpm> tvoss, so combining the two then the "Location detection" switch would be the A in A-GPS?
[12:28] <tvoss> dpm, yup
[12:28] <dpm> ok, thanks
[12:28] <tvoss> dpm, although disabling location detection also disables gps
[12:28] <dpm> ah, that was going to be my next question
[12:29] <dpm> it seems the indicator does not imply that, which might be confusing. I.e. if I uncheck "Location detection", the "GPS" switch is still on
[12:31] <tvoss> dpm, ack ...can you log a bug?
[12:35] <dpm> tvoss, bug 1351299
[12:36] <tvoss> dpm, thanks
[12:38] <mdeslaur> rsalveti: is the emulator currently known to be broken?
[12:56] <mterry_> jdstrand, OK.  :-/  I didn't see anything in the logs
[12:56] <pmcgowan> elopio, hi, re that notes test, I had some questions
[12:56] <Chipaca> tedg: do you know if there's a way to have g_settings_new not throw a signal if it can't find a schema? (something saner like returning NULL on error like most other *_new in glib?)
[12:57]  * mterry_ eagerly awaits tedg's response  :)
[12:57] <popey> mandel: now we have a pdf reader in the store, would be good if we could download PDFs to ~/Documents (or wherever) .. ? ☻
[12:57] <Chipaca> mterry_: where is it biting you?
[12:58] <mterry_> Chipaca, sorry I could have given a more helpful response -- no, you can't fix that, the author of that code is a fan of aborts on errors.  A long standing bugbear.  There should be a way to look up the existence of a schema first though
[12:59] <Chipaca> :-(
[12:59] <pmcgowan> brendand, ^^notes test
[13:00] <brendand> pmcgowan, questions?
[13:00] <Chipaca> mterry_: i guess i'll take having a race condition over having the whole thing explode in my face any day
[13:00] <pmcgowan> brendand, yeah, you said in the bug that ap wasnt returning  the correct sizes
[13:01] <pmcgowan> the test itself looks fine (and hasnt changed)
[13:01] <pmcgowan> so where is the regression?
[13:01] <seb128> Chipaca, mterry_, you can use https://developer.gnome.org/gio/2.40/gio-GSettingsSchema-GSettingsSchemaSource.html#g-settings-schema-source-lookup
[13:01] <seb128> but usually you should have a depends on whatever ships the schemas you need
[13:01] <brendand> pmcgowan, could be in the app, or the ui toolkit
[13:02] <pmcgowan> brendand, so app hasnt changed either, hence no one working on it
[13:02] <brendand> pmcgowan, it wouldn't have anything to do with AP itself (i don't think)
[13:02] <pmcgowan> but again, the test logic is ok, so why would the object dims be wrong
[13:02] <pmcgowan> I am not sure how all that ap stuff works
[13:03] <brendand> pmcgowan, the test assumed that the content widget and the note widget are different sizes, but they are the same now, for some reason
[13:03] <pmcgowan> ok that could be toolkit related
[13:03] <pmcgowan> brendand, if so thats a one line fix to the test
[13:04] <Chipaca> seb128: and does that throw a signal if it doesn't find it?
[13:04]  * Chipaca is ridiculously upset by this
[13:04] <nik90> mdeslaur: which emulator image are you trying?
[13:04]  * Chipaca takes a walk to chill
[13:04] <mdeslaur> nik90: whatever today's default is
[13:04] <mdeslaur> nik90: how do I find out?
[13:04] <nik90> mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator list
[13:05] <mdeslaur> oh, duh :)
[13:05] <seb128> Chipaca, signal? that's an api you can check, but the schemas is like a library, if you need it, you depends on it
[13:05] <mdeslaur> nik90: let me reinstall, one sec
[13:05] <nik90> mdeslaur: ;) I have emulator 166 running (albeit with some small issues)
[13:07] <mdeslaur> nik90: aatest	ubuntu=20140728,device=20140725.1,version=157
[13:07] <nik90> mdeslaur: ah yes image 157..nope that doesn't work for me either. Unity8 fails to load there
[13:07] <mdeslaur> nik90: how do I install 166?
[13:07] <mdeslaur> is it a different channel?
[13:07] <nik90> mdeslaur: devel-proposed
[13:07] <Chipaca> seb128: I don't like it, both at a conceptual level, and at a more pragmatic it-makes-my-life-a-lot-harder level
[13:08] <nik90> mdeslaur: ubuntu-emulator create myInstance --channel=ubuntu-touch/devel-proposed --arch=i386
[13:08] <mdeslaur> nik90: ah, thanks...trying now
[13:08] <nik90> mdeslaur: yw
[13:08] <seb128> Chipaca, how so?
[13:09] <seb128> Chipaca, the schemas provides what is needed for you to have a valid default and type checking
[13:09] <seb128> Chipaca, what's the big deal to ensure the schemas you use are installed?
[13:09] <seb128> just depends on those
[13:09] <seb128> well, anyway, going for a walk as well
[13:09] <seb128> bbl
[13:09] <Chipaca> seb128: the big deal is it hard crashes the test suite
[13:10] <seb128> well, just ensure you install what you use
[13:10] <Chipaca> unless i install a package that is not for the machine i am on
[13:10] <seb128> if you were running your testsuite without libc installed it would be unhappy as well
[13:10] <Chipaca> seb128: you're seriously comparing a settings framework with libc?
[13:11] <seb128> Chipaca, change libc for gettext if you prefer
[13:11] <seb128> or whatever other things you use and that would make things unhappy if not thre
[13:11] <seb128> it's not like gsettings was the only one in this case
[13:11] <seb128> but anyway, I'm away for a bit, bbl
[13:12] <jgdx> pmcgowan, you can try out sim name editor as well as default sim for calls using these debs http://people.canonical.com/~jonas/system-settings/sim-rename/
[13:13] <pmcgowan> jgdx, I got but one sim still ;)
[13:13] <jgdx> pmcgowan, ouch :p
[13:15] <mdeslaur> nik90: great, that worked, thanks!
[13:15] <nik90> mdeslaur: yay
[13:20] <oSoMoN> ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one?
[13:25] <elopio> pmcgowan: hello
[13:29] <bzoltan1> ogra_:  the good news is that with very little change in the SDK scripts I can keep the most important features alive. One thing we need to figure out is ho to handle the phablet password of the devices in the SDK.
[13:35] <mhr3> ogra_ / sergiusens, could you merge https://code.launchpad.net/~pete-woods/click-sync/add-youtube-scope/+merge/229065 pls?
[13:37] <sergiusens> mhr3: yup
[13:37]  * sergiusens added the MP to his queue
[13:38] <ogra_> oSoMoN, if you didnt set a PW it shoudl be empty and not ask you ... /me points to mterry_
[13:39] <mterry_>  ogra_, true...  where's oSoMoN's comment about it?
[13:40] <ogra_> mterry_, a few lines up ...
 ogra_, what’s the default password at the unity8 login prompt, if I’ve never set one?
[13:40] <derek-g> I keep on waiting on my ubuntu phone. Keep up a good work guys.
[13:40] <mterry_> oSoMoN, desktop or phone?
[13:40] <oSoMoN> mterry_, phone
[13:41] <mterry_> oSoMoN, yar... you shouldn't be getting  a prompt
[13:41] <mterry_> oSoMoN, what are the contents of /var/lib/extrausers/shadow?
[13:41] <popey> derek-g: great news, no need to wait, you can get a phone to run ubuntu here! http://tinyurl.com/lmorzwq
[13:42] <derek-g> popey, yeah. I want official preinstalled one though...
[13:43] <popey> ☻
[13:45] <mterry> oSoMoN, sorry got disconnected in case you tried to talk to me
[13:55] <mandel> popey, can't you do that with the content-hub?
[13:55] <popey> hmm
[13:55] <mandel> popey, I though that the browser would tell where to download it to the content-hub according to the app chosen. At least the browser has the rights to change the download path
[13:56] <mandel> popey, that is supported :)
[13:56] <popey> so the pdfjs app needs to register to receive pdf files?
[14:01] <sil2100> jamesh: hello!
[14:02] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: fyi, you can also provide --revision=166 with the create command
[14:02] <sil2100> jamesh: so, we noticed music-app test failures in the recent images and suspect the mediascanner can have something to do with it...
[14:03] <sil2100> jamesh: there are two bugs, most probably related and currently assigned to music-app: LP: #1350636 and LP: #1350529
[14:08] <sergiusens> dpm: hey, do I need to worry much about the pot file having all the strings or just make sure that I have all the TRANLSATOR comments?
[14:08] <kenvandine> brendand, can you help me figure out what's causing my autopilot failures in the sound_panel branch of settings?
[14:08] <kenvandine> i feel like i'm stabbing in the dark here...
[14:08] <brendand> kenvandine, still plaguing you? sure, i'll have a look
[14:09] <kenvandine> thx
[14:09] <kenvandine> they all passed on my device a couple days ago, the test_keyboard_sound_switch test was failing in 2 other unrelated branches on wednesday as well
[14:09] <kenvandine> but has passed in those branches since
[14:10] <kenvandine> which is puzzling... that was an existing test
[14:10] <kenvandine> brendand, but now the same 3 tests seem to consistently fail, and i'm stumped... fails on my device now too, but not on desktop
[14:11] <kenvandine> brendand, https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/job/generic-deb-autopilot-runner-mako/2909/?
[14:20] <mhall119> Hi all, I need to make sure libnet-cpp1 is added to utopic seeds for touch to support scopes development, where should I add that?
[14:21] <brendand> kenvandine, the branch?
[14:21] <kenvandine> https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/ubuntu-system-settings/sound_panel/+merge/228766
[14:22] <mhall119> jdstrand: does apparmor need any changes to allow use of libnet-cpp1?
[14:23] <jdstrand> mhall119: it shouldn't. unless it is doing some out of the ordinary things. you'd know by doing 'grep DEN /var/log/syslog'
[14:23] <mhall119> ok, I'll try it and see
[14:28] <robotfuel> ogra_: ping, I have a mako that I can't load ubuntu touch on, it gets stuck at the google text screen after I try to load ubuntu touch on it. I have 3 other makos that work with ubuntu touch.
[14:28] <robotfuel> ogra_: I was able to load ubuntu touch and have it work for a month before it just stopped working
[14:28] <ogra_> robotfuel, very low battery perhaps?
[14:28] <robotfuel> ogra_: reloading android works to boot android.
[14:28] <ogra_> hmm
[14:28] <robotfuel> ogra_: the battery is 100% full
[14:30] <robotfuel> ogra_: I tried doing a factory reset via android and I've also tried formating the userdata partition via fastboot
[14:30] <ogra_> uh, you shouldnt do that
[14:30] <ogra_> it is important that you boot android once fully *after* you unlocked the device though
[14:30] <ogra_> that initializes some bits on the partitions
[14:32] <sergiusens> dpm: nvm, I got the gist of it and updated the mp
[14:32] <robotfuel> ogra_: I didn't try to reboot fully once after enabling usb debug I'll try that.
[14:34] <sergiusens> robotfuel: ogra_ try this please: boot into the bootloader; fastboot format userdata; ubuntu-device-flash --bootstrap
[14:34] <robotfuel> sergiusens: plars mentioned to try that yesterday, it did not help
[14:34] <brendand> kenvandine, are all the failing tests new?
[14:34] <sergiusens> robotfuel: ogra_ if that works; I'm going to make a minor change to the bootstrap process (which use to exist, but was removed due to many user facing issues)
[14:34] <kenvandine> no
[14:34] <kenvandine> the keyboard sound test was there before
[14:35] <kenvandine> and untouched in this branch
[14:35] <sergiusens> robotfuel: ah
[14:35]  * sergiusens thinks
[14:35] <kenvandine> that was the test that was failing in 2 unrelated branches the other day
[14:35] <kenvandine> but has since passed in those branches
[14:36] <robotfuel> sergiusens: I have 2 phones with this issue, I can load android on it and it will boot, but when I load ubuntu-touch it is stuck on the google text screen
[14:36] <robotfuel> sergiusens: 3 other phones don't have this issue, and the 2 that are not working used to work.
[14:37] <robotfuel> sergiusens: the serial number on adb changes to 01234567890ABCDEF when the device gets stuck on the google screen.
[14:39] <robotfuel> *0123456789ABCDEF
[14:39] <sergiusens> robotfuel: I think that's ogra's code for init went wrong
[14:39] <ogra_> ?
[14:39] <ogra_> that code didnt change this cycle yet
[14:40] <sergiusens> ogra_: don't you change the serial when something goes wrong in init?
[14:40] <sergiusens> I thought you did
[14:40] <ogra_> i dont think i do
[14:40] <sergiusens> oh well
[14:40] <ogra_> :)
[14:41] <sergiusens> robotfuel: do you have any recollection of how this began?
[14:41] <sergiusens> after an image update perhaps?
[14:41] <robotfuel> sergiusens: yes after flashing a new image
[14:41] <sergiusens> I wonder if you wore off your flash
[14:41] <robotfuel> sergiusens: I was using --bootstrap
[14:42] <sergiusens> since android doesn't use 'userdata' to boot necessarily
[14:43] <mhall119> ogra_: sergiusens: I need to get libnet-cpp(0|1) added to the touch image seed for Scope development
[14:43] <robotfuel> sergiusens: there used to be a way to sideload images, but I don't see that option anymore.
[14:43] <mhall119> that's the lib that thostr_ wants scope developers to use for networking
[14:43] <sergiusens> what part of the seed?
[14:43] <mhall119> sergiusens: that's what I'm not sure about
[14:43] <ogra_> well, do you want it in the framework ?
[14:43] <cwayne> hi -- do we have plans for image:// uri's to open in gallery-app?
[14:43] <sergiusens> mhall119: is it a lib + headers?
[14:44] <ogra_> or do you want it "just available"
[14:44] <brendand> kenvandine, ok i just need to build your code and have a look
[14:44] <sergiusens> cwayne: should you just add an url-dispather hook for that to the gallery click?
[14:44] <mhall119> sergiusens: I'm not a C++ guy, so I'm going to say "yes" with quotes
[14:44] <mhall119> whatever a binary scope needs to run using it
[14:44] <sergiusens> mhall119: ah, this is c++? how abi/api stable is this?
[14:44] <mhall119> no idea
[14:44] <sergiusens> once it's seeded it can never change
[14:44] <mhall119> again, not being a C++ guy
[14:45] <sergiusens> mhall119: i'll drop that to lool
[14:45] <sergiusens> he likes abi stuff
[14:45] <ogra_> haha
[14:45] <mhall119> mhr3: ^^ are you familiar with libnet-cpp?
[14:45] <cwayne> sergiusens: hm, maybe?
[14:45]  * sergiusens thinks of the gallery saying "call me maybe"
[14:46] <mhr3> mhall119, what about it?
[14:46] <seb128> Chipaca, what is "postal" for notifications? are we going to have different notifications?
[14:46] <mhall119> mhr3: how stable is the API/ABI?
[14:46] <mhr3> mhall119, tvoss question really
[14:46] <Chipaca> seb128: the notifications these settings are for are those handled by the postal service
[14:46] <mhall119> tvoss: ping
[14:47] <seb128> Chipaca, is that an implementation detail or an important difference?
[14:48] <mhr3> mhall119, but i'd guess it has to be as stable as the scopes lib if thomas wants to recommend it as the default
[14:48] <Chipaca> seb128: for users, this'll be the notifications they can enable or disable, and controlling these controls whether apps they have installed can notify them of stuff
[14:48] <kenvandine> brendand, OMG... i think it just needed a scroll_to_and_click
[14:49] <Chipaca> seb128: for people looking at the settings, they're far more likeley to become confused and need the extra qualifier
[14:49] <seb128> Chipaca, I'm just pondering com.ubuntu.postal.notifications vs com.ubuntu.notifications
[14:49] <brendand> kenvandine, :)
[14:49] <mhall119> mhr3: I would hope so too, but guessing and hoping don't make for good policy :)
[14:49] <brendand> kenvandine, i was about to ask you for built debs
[14:49] <seb128> Chipaca, not sure "postal" is useful in that namespace
[14:49] <kenvandine> brendand, at one point i had that in there...
[14:49] <Chipaca> seb128: "notifications" on its own is too confusing right now
[14:49] <seb128> that's an issue
[14:49] <Chipaca> seb128: even if it were technically correct
[14:49] <seb128> but not due to the schemas :p
[14:49] <kenvandine> but then in my tidying up i changed them all to be consistent
[14:50] <Chipaca> seb128: i've been in at least three conversations about notifications where everybody got cross because they agreed but called things different names so didn't know
[14:50] <kenvandine> and without my new items showing on that page, the keyboard sound one is mostly off the page, so maybe that is flaky to test without scrolling
[14:50] <cwayne> kenvandine: is there support in gallery-app to launch to a specific photo?
[14:51] <seb128> Chipaca, yes, the topic is a mess, we should consolidate those differents things
[14:51] <kenvandine> cwayne, dunno, artmello ^^
[14:51] <Chipaca> seb128: we are :) but it's a evolution, not a revolution
[14:51] <artmello> cwayne: not yet. the support for that is on the list to the next days
[14:51] <artmello> kenvandine: ^
[14:52] <cwayne> artmello: awesome, thanks.  we'd need that for one of the scopes we're currently developing, so it's quite critical for us
[14:52] <seb128> Chipaca, k, I don't know enough about the topic to approve that schemas change, the postal namespace looks wrong and coding of implementation details, please find somebody who understand the difference between a notification and a postal-notification to review
[14:52] <Chipaca> seb128: i'd expect the next iteration, or the one after that, to no longer need the extra qualifier
[14:52] <artmello> cwayne: ok, as soon as we have something I let you know
[14:52] <seb128> Chipaca, schemas/keys are sort of abi, we can't just go and rename stuff again and again
[14:53] <seb128> we need transitions, etc as well when that happens
[14:53] <seb128> so we better think about the name before landing
[14:53] <Chipaca> seb128: ok. can you change your review to something non-blocking then.
[14:55] <Chipaca> seb128: also, are you able to ask ps jenkins for a re-review?
[14:55] <seb128> Chipaca, yes
[14:55] <Chipaca> seb128: please do? I can't, and i suspect it'll block me from landing this via the train
[14:56] <Chipaca> tvoss: ping
[14:57] <kenvandine> brendand, is it sane to just always use scroll_to_and_click instead of click_object?
[14:58] <seb128> Chipaca, I did comment/disapprove with a comment on why I think it's wrong, but I also said that if somebody wants to override me on that one, feel free but they whoever does engage itself to fix futur problems due to that
[15:00] <dpm> sergiusens, it seems you figure it out re: the .pot file, but I'm back now. Let me know if I can help with anything
[15:00] <brendand> kenvandine, if you think it might be necessary then yeay
[15:00] <brendand> kenvandine, if the screen is static there probably isn't much point
[15:02] <sergiusens> dpm: just take a look at that review and see if I missed anything from your comments
[15:02] <sergiusens> thanks!
[15:03] <Chipaca> tvoss: I need somebody to review the gsettings schema branch for postal notifications, somebody that “understand the difference between a notification and a postal-notification”. That's a very short list, which I sorta-kinda count you as on. Could you review that please?
[15:03] <mhall119> tvoss: does anybody even use net-cpp? Google seems to think it doesn't exist at all
[15:03] <Chipaca> tvoss: https://code.launchpad.net/~chipaca/gsettings-ubuntu-touch-schemas/just-the-touch-settings/+merge/228317
[15:03] <tvoss> mhall119, not sure what you are referring to
[15:04] <mhall119> tvoss: net-cpp is the library thostr_ wants us to recommend for scope devs
[15:04] <mhall119> I'm trying to take it for a test run
[15:04] <mhall119> tvoss: we'll need to get it in the device image seeds, and the -dev package in the chroot and emulator seeds
[15:05] <mhall119> or at least the chroot, -dev might not be needed in the emulator
[15:05] <tvoss> mhall119, we are using it in the location service, it's in main
[15:05] <tvoss> mhall119, thostr_ asked me to write some short tutorial on it, that's on my list
[15:05] <tvoss> Chipaca, ack, will be done sometime tonight
[15:06] <mhall119> tvoss: ok, can you link me to that tutorial when it's written?
[15:06] <tvoss> mhall119, sure
[15:08] <dpm> sergiusens, reviewed, LGTM, just noticed a couple of typos in the translator comments
[15:08] <sergiusens> dpm: if pinpointed them; I'll fix :-)
[15:09] <dpm> yeah, commented inline :)
[15:12] <Chipaca> tvoss: at what time would it be polite to pester you about this then? :)
[15:12] <tvoss> Chipaca, beer'o'clock, which is in ~1 hour from now
[15:12] <tvoss> oops, did I just say that? ;)
[15:12]  * Chipaca orders beer
[15:12] <ogra_> thats for the outer west of germany only ...
[15:12] <Chipaca> tvoss: no, no you didn't. I just inferred it from context.
[15:13] <ogra_> in my place it started 14 min ago
[15:13] <mhr3> oSoMoN, ping?
[15:13] <tvoss> Chipaca, lol
[15:13] <oSoMoN> mhr3, pong
[15:14] <mhr3> oSoMoN, we have an issue with the youtube scope - it opens youtube in the browser, but it refuses to play the video because of http://paste.ubuntu.com/7924763/
[15:15] <oSoMoN> mhr3, interesting, can’t you request the video page over http instead?
[15:16] <mhr3> oSoMoN, should we really? works fine with desktop browsers
[15:16] <oSoMoN> mhr3, no, probably not, but I’m wondering whether that would work around the issue?
[15:17] <mhr3> it would
[15:18] <mhr3> but its the api that gives us the https links
[15:18] <mhr3> right pete-woods? ^
[15:19] <pete-woods> mhr3: no, we have to make the https links ourselves
[15:19] <pete-woods> we can change it to something that works
[15:19] <pete-woods> but
[15:20] <pete-woods> well, it works on Android
[15:20] <pete-woods> although you do get the little padlock with an exclamation sign in the URL bar
[15:23] <t1mp> is it nor more useful to have the changelog link in topic to point to http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/?
[15:24] <t1mp> s/nor/not
[15:24] <ogra_> t1mp, i think we are at the edge wrt topic length ... something would have to be dropped
[15:24] <t1mp> ogra_: and how do I convert from date to image#?
[15:24] <ogra_> iirc popey casn change it though
[15:25] <popey> wat?
[15:25] <ogra_> the channel topic
[15:25] <popey> you can too
[15:25] <popey> anyone can aiui
[15:25] <ogra_> ah
[15:25] <ogra_> well, still, i think we are out of space
[15:25] <ogra_> t1mp, look closer :)
[15:25] <oSoMoN> mhr3, there’s a 'canDisplayInsecureContent' preference in oxide, which I guess defaults to false, which would probably do the trick, but if you if you have to build the link yourself anyway, I would go for http
[15:25] <t1mp> ogra_: I want to know what changed between image 153 and 154 but on http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/touch-image-stats/ I see dates instead of image numbers
[15:26] <ogra_> t1mp, so dont scroll the the date links then ;)
[15:26] <popey> i see image numbers
[15:26] <mhr3> oSoMoN, yea, we will, but looking through the log there's bit more
[15:26] <t1mp> ogra_: right :) thanks!
[15:26] <ogra_> :)
[15:27] <popey> fixed changelog link
[15:27] <mhr3> oSoMoN, so maybe it makes to disable it anyway
[16:09] <kenvandine> jgdx, testing your sim-name-editor branch, why does the item used to edit the sim name have a progression?
[16:10] <kenvandine> jgdx, note: editing the name does work and the name persists, so YAY :)
[16:17] <Chipaca> tvoss: Beer o'clock is nigh!
[16:18] <ogra_> *burp*
[16:19] <jgdx> kenvandine, wee
[16:20] <jgdx> kenvandine, because of the design spec
[16:21] <kenvandine> jgdx, i don't even see that part in the design
[16:21] <kenvandine> but there are some broken images...
[16:35]  * Chipaca buys tvoss even more beer, hoping for a speedier review
[16:49] <kenvandine> jgdx, mind reviewing https://code.launchpad.net/~ken-vandine/gsettings-qt/lp1349787_tests/+merge/229258
[16:51] <dpm> sergiusens, for that i18n branch you asked me to review, could you look at https://code.launchpad.net/~ralsina/account-polld/i18n/+merge/228747/comments/554237 ? It seems ralsina didn't have permissions on the LP project to do the changes, but you're listed as the project maintainer, so you might have
[16:53] <jgdx> kenvandine, sure thing
[16:53] <kenvandine> jgdx, thx!
[16:55] <cking> is anyone aware of bug 1350871?
[16:56] <jgdx> kenvandine, mind try running (on a phablet) http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/7925534/ to see if it resets your launcher?
[16:58] <kenvandine> jgdx, sure
[17:02] <kenvandine> jgdx, do i need to restart after?
[17:03] <kenvandine> jgdx, ok, the launcher didn't reset until i restarted unity8
[17:03] <kenvandine> but it did reset
[17:05] <pmcgowan> tvoss, ^^ see cking query
[17:06] <tvoss> pmcgowan, thanks haven't seen
[17:06] <kenvandine> cyphermox, so how do we test the bluetooth redesign?
[17:09] <kenvandine> pmcgowan, can you help test the bluetooth stuff in silo 6?  i've got everything else covered, but not really equipped to test that
[17:09] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, I can try it
[17:09] <pmcgowan> ChickenCutlass, can you help as well? ^^
[17:10] <pmcgowan> kenvandine, doesnt seem ready yet, need to build?
[17:10] <kenvandine> it's there :)
[17:10] <kenvandine> newer build coming, but not with code changes
[17:10] <kenvandine> just tests
[17:11] <kenvandine> cyphermox, has the bluetooth section of the test plan been updated to match the redesign?
[17:13] <ChickenCutlass> kenvandine: I have been testing it
[17:13] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: kenvandine all good
[17:13] <kenvandine> in silo 6?
[17:13] <jgdx> kenvandine, thanks!
[17:13] <kenvandine> ChickenCutlass, great!
[17:14] <kenvandine> we might even be able to land this stuff today!
[17:16] <bzoltan> ogra_: about that new adb and security rules.. will it be possible to set a password but use the simple swipe as unlock. The password unlock would be horrible with the emulator.
[17:17] <ogra_> no, it will be password isf a password exists and swipe if there is none at alll
[17:17] <ogra_> >(and i totally agree)
[17:17] <cyphermox> kenvandine: yes, it has
[17:18] <cyphermox> I added some tests in the wiki page for the test plan, and aded tests
[17:18] <jdstrand> fyi, I imagined that there would be a timeout for password entering
[17:18] <cyphermox> *added tests in the branch, though they are not autopilot tests
[17:18] <jdstrand> swipe to unlock is fine up until a few minutes go by
[17:18] <jdstrand> then it is password to unlock
[17:28] <Chipaca> tvoss: dooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooom
[17:28] <Chipaca> tvoss: ping. i meant ping.
[17:33] <jgdx> kenvandine, I'm trying to debug why uss isn't producing the same result as the gdbus call. Any idea?
[17:33] <kenvandine> nope
[17:34] <kenvandine> is it using the same accountsservices binding?
[17:35] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, my headset is not pairing, the UI says connected but the headset keep beeping in parining mode, then the device is removed evntualy from the list
[17:35] <jgdx> kenvandine, afaik it isn't using that at all.
[17:36] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: please try again, and then file a bug with logs from teh system-settings app (~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log if it really doesn't work
[17:36] <cyphermox> syslog also important
[17:37] <kenvandine> jgdx, maybe it isn't getting the right object path then?
[17:38] <kenvandine> jgdx, i think there's some magic in accountsservice.cpp that gets the right user object path
[17:39] <kenvandine> jgdx, i assume that last failing test for sim-name-editor is because of the gsettings-qt bug?
[17:50] <jgdx> kenvandine, I think you're right. Looking at dbus-monitor clearly tells me that uss does not produce the dbus call. Will change the binding.
[17:52] <jgdx> kenvandine, I think so, yeah.
[17:56] <taiebot> Can people confirm this one it is quite a annoying bug
[17:56] <taiebot> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/unity8/+bug/1341205
[18:02] <kenvandine> cyphermox, i see CI is still failing in your branch
[18:02] <cyphermox> it's tests that aren't bluetooth
[18:02] <cyphermox> I can kick it again if you prefer
[18:02] <kenvandine> well i'd like to have passing CI :)
[18:03] <cyphermox> fair enough
[18:03] <kenvandine> all the other branches have passing CI now :)
[18:04] <cyphermox> should be good for this one then
[18:05] <cyphermox> I just started it, we'll see
[18:05] <kenvandine> cyphermox, thx
[18:05] <cyphermox> it's ridiculous that it manages to fail so easily when things pass just fine in sbuild ;)\
[18:13] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, any thoughts on my headset, or more I can do to debug?
[18:13] <cyphermox> did you file a bug?
[18:13] <cyphermox> I don't even know what headset it is :)
[18:14] <nik90> rsalveti: hey, is there any update on the separate audio streams support in the platform for https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-clock-app/+bug/1337917
[18:14] <cyphermox> pretty much all you can do is try again if it failed, and then get me ~/.cache/upstart/application-legacy-ubuntu-system-settings-.log and /var/log/syslog
[18:14] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: *
[18:14] <nik90> charles: hi
[18:14] <cyphermox> ugh, I type so fail
[18:14] <nik90> charles: How can I help with testing https://code.launchpad.net/~charlesk/indicator-datetime/lp-1350426-make-alarms-interactive-notifications/+merge/229158 ?
[18:15] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, I filed a bug after 4 attempts
[18:15] <nik90> charles: would it be sufficient if I took the armhf packages generated by jenkins and install on my phone to test it?
[18:15] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: sorry, did you send me the link? I didn't see it
[18:15] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1351406
[18:15] <charles> nik90, that would be great for an early test
[18:16] <nik90> charles: awesome..will give it a shot
[18:16] <charles> nik90, my datetime branches are being reviewed today by Wellark, I'll try to get them silo'ed on Monday so you can do a proper test from a PPA
[18:16] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: that's unusual
[18:16] <nik90> charles: ok. Will all 3 MPs go in the same silo?
[18:16] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: are you sure the device was in pairing mode at first? seems like it somehow was detected, but nothing else happened
[18:17] <charles> nik90, almost certainly.
[18:17] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, yes it is, I double checked the manual
[18:17] <cyphermox> you didn't even reach the phase of creating the device, so I think we'll need debug logs from bluez
[18:17] <nik90> charles: awesome. thnx for the quick implementation.
[18:17] <cyphermox> (that's adding "-d" to the Exec line in /etc/init/bluetooth.conf)
[18:18] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: surely in the debug log it will say something, or why it didn't even create the device is bluez
[18:18] <pmcgowan> ok will try that
[18:18] <pmcgowan> where will that log be?
[18:18] <cyphermox> in syslog
[18:24] <nik90> charles: What's the quickest way to restart the datetime service on the phone? I installed the deb package, want to restart the datetime service before the test.
[18:31] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: cyphermox kenvandine so silo6 works great for me BT wise
[18:31] <ChickenCutlass> for what its worth
[18:31] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, attached to the bug, starts around 14:26
[18:32] <pmcgowan> ChickenCutlass, yeah I am disappointed its not pairing this one
[18:32] <cyphermox> alright
[18:32] <pmcgowan> do you have any v2.1 devices?
[18:32] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: as another point of reference, did it pair before?
[18:32] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: not sure what they are
[18:32] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, on android, not sure I paired it here command line
[18:33] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: even with the UI, before silo 6
[18:33] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, no
[18:33] <cyphermox> if it did pair before, would be a regression
[18:33] <pmcgowan> I dont think I ever did successfully
[18:35] <cyphermox> alright
[18:35] <kenvandine> woot
[18:36] <kenvandine> just gotta wait to see if we get a CI pass on the bluetooth branch
[18:36] <cyphermox> it's mostly to know whether I should cry and invest in alcoholism now ;)
[18:36] <jgdx> pmcgowan, reset branch ready to go
[18:36] <kenvandine> jgdx, lets look at that for landing next week :)
[18:36] <jgdx> kenvandine, awesome
[18:36] <kenvandine> it's been a tough right getting this silo ready to publish :-D
[18:36] <pmcgowan> nice
[18:37] <kenvandine> rough ride
[18:37] <jgdx> indeed
[18:37] <pmcgowan> land it monday!
[18:37]  * kenvandine crosses fingers for this last CI build
[18:37] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: nothing safer than landing a big chunk of code on a friday afternoon
[18:38] <pmcgowan> yeah I'm beyond worrying about that ;)
[18:38] <kenvandine> hehe
[18:40]  * kenvandine heads to lunch in hopes of seeing that pass when returning
[18:40] <kenvandine> bbiab
[18:41] <pmcgowan> cyphermox, headset works with desktop
[18:44] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: could be, yeah
[18:44] <cyphermox> it's totally different UI, and the hardware is a little weird too
[18:45] <pmcgowan> ack
[18:45] <cyphermox> here my mako works great with my Plantronics headset
[18:45] <cyphermox> my test works great: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqvtCf6DYzk
[18:53] <rsalveti> mdeslaur: emulator should be functional
[18:53] <rsalveti> at least it was yesterday :-)
[18:53] <rsalveti> nik90: should hopefully get this fixed next week
[18:54] <rsalveti> but I got a pile of critical stuff to fix
[18:54] <rsalveti> guess like everyone
[18:54] <nik90> rsalveti: np, I was just checking up on that to know about the status.
[19:02] <mdeslaur> rsalveti: it worked with 166, but not 157
[19:02] <mdeslaur> rsalveti: so, it's ok now, thanks
[19:03] <cyphermox> pmcgowan: does the UI aks you for a PIN?
[19:04] <pmcgowan> it did yes
[19:05] <cyphermox> alright
[19:06] <ChickenCutlass> pmcgowan: you didn't say that.
[19:06] <ChickenCutlass> you got asked for a PIN
[19:07] <pmcgowan> I did
[19:07] <pmcgowan> guess I implied when I said desktop didnt ask me ;) ChickenCutlass
[19:07] <ChickenCutlass> ah
[19:50] <charles> nik90: from a shell, "restart indicator-datetime"
[20:28] <jgdx> kenvandine, seems like it built fine
[20:28] <kenvandine> jgdx, yeah and i published :)
[20:28] <kenvandine> in proposed now
[20:29] <jgdx> nice
[20:29] <kenvandine> just don't forget the progression thing :)
[20:29] <jgdx> it's on the whiteboard
[20:29] <jgdx> (I just got a whiteboard in my office)
[20:29] <kenvandine> handy :)
[22:15] <OPSJono_> Elleo: Hi mate, I've just installed Ubuntu on my Nexus 4 - trying to download your CuteSpotify from the Ubuntu app store just gives me a very generic on screen error "Download or install failed please try again later"
[22:15] <OPSJono_> Do I have to do anything special/specific to get it installed?