[05:50] <Kilos> hi captine  bushtech  inetpro  and others
[05:50] <Kilos> hi theblazehen  
[06:09] <mazal> Morning everyone
[06:10] <Kilos> hi mazal  
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> Kilos: figured out what was wrong with my sorting tube
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> the side that comes FROM the quarry must be set "Off", otherwise it is also considered a valid direction for stuff to go in
[06:13] <ThatGraemeGuy> i wouldn't have expected that, but now i know
[06:14] <Kilos> aha
[06:43] <mazal> ugh , looks like gonna have to drag a broken server to PTA today :(
[06:43] <mazal> Microsoft &^$^&$
[06:50] <Kilos> hehe
[06:50] <Kilos> i go sort sheep
[06:54] <mazal> Cheers for now everyone
[07:15] <charl> guten morgen
[07:15] <charl> Maaz: coffee on
[07:15]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[07:15] <charl> hi Kilos, ThatGraemeGuy, Spekko 
[07:19] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charl!
[07:22] <ThatGraemeGuy> hey charl
[07:23] <Kilos> hi charl  
[07:23] <Kilos> spekko too
[07:34]  * Kilos cries
[07:34] <Kilos> http://mybroadband.co.za/news/adsl/107260-50tb-of-free-adsl-data-for-each-user.html
[07:37] <Kilos> oh i wanted to ask, does running something like minetest use more data if fullscreen is used not the small window from default
[07:37] <ThatGraemeGuy> no
[07:44] <Kilos> ah ty
[08:28] <charl> Maaz: thanks
[08:28] <Maaz> charl: No problem
[12:13] <nuvolari> hrrrr! :-/
[12:13]  * nuvolari snipes Chrome on Mac
[12:14] <nuvolari> Chrome on Mac won't let AngularJS play with it
[12:44] <mazal> Bye everyone , have a nice weekend
[14:10] <charl> anyone using bittorrent bleep ?
[14:15] <bduk> Afternoon everyone
[14:16] <charl> hi bduk 
[15:00] <Symmetria> hahaha I love my company
[15:00] <Symmetria> our noc (typical of all nocs) lets lotsa crap slide
[15:00] <Symmetria> my house power goes down for a few minutes
[15:00] <Symmetria> and I see this appear in the ticketting system
[15:00] <Symmetria> FAULT SEVERITY: MAJOR
[15:00] <Symmetria> SERVICE AFFECTING
[15:00] <Symmetria> IMPACT DESCRIPTION:
[15:00] <Symmetria> ANDREW_ALSTON switch down
[15:00] <Symmetria> HAHAHAH
[15:01] <charl> hi Symmetria 
[16:34] <Kilos> hmm...
[16:34] <Kilos> hi smile
[16:37] <smile> hi :p
[16:43] <charl> hi smile 
[16:43] <smile> :D
[16:45] <charl> how's the weather, warm there too ?
[16:46] <charl> it's quite nice outside but too warm inside
[16:50] <charl> hi psychicist 
[16:50] <psychicist> hi charl 
[16:51] <charl> how's it going
[16:53] <psychicist> I am doing well, thanks
[16:53] <psychicist> how are you doing?
[16:53] <charl> i'm good thanks
[16:54] <psychicist> I have been thinking of moving back to the Netherlands
[16:55] <psychicist> but I still don't know, it depends on the situation at my current job and if I can get another position in a few months
[16:57] <charl> hmmm
[16:57] <charl> slowly the economy is picking up here now
[16:57] <charl> we came out of a bad few years in the job market
[16:58] <charl> i myself am considering moving to germany
[16:59] <charl> i'm going on holiday in a week, want to do some touring and check out some nice places to live
[17:00] <psychicist> yeah, that's a good idea
[17:00] <psychicist> well, I got some offers in Germany and Poland
[17:00] <psychicist> for programming jobs
[17:00] <psychicist> but I feel I lack knowledge for them
[17:01] <charl> ah
[17:01] <charl> well that's what i'm going for, programming
[17:01] <psychicist> those job ads are always a bit intimidating in terms of requirements
[17:01] <charl> i know, i have that too
[17:01] <inetpro> goeienaand
[17:01] <charl> i ignore it, there are always one or two things that i don't have experience with either
[17:01] <psychicist> goedenavond inetpro
[17:01] <charl> but i find that rarely holds you back in practice
[17:01] <charl> hi inetpro 
[17:01] <psychicist> ok
[17:02] <psychicist> I mean I know Java, C/C++ and some x86 and MIPS assembly
[17:02] <psychicist> but there is always something else that they want you to know so it becomes a bit of a daunting task to keep up with it all
[17:02] <charl> it is all about practical experience working in a development team though
[17:03] <charl> companies might hire you not only for your technical skill but also your so-called "soft skills"
[17:03] <psychicist> that's what I think too and I don't really have that so how should I get it?
[17:03] <charl> things like teamwork ability, communication ability, etc
[17:03] <psychicist> I have very good soft skills
[17:03] <charl> yeah i took a job as a junior developer a long time ago
[17:03] <charl> and then just worked my way up
[17:03] <charl> but the first job is the hardest
[17:04] <psychicist> and I really don't feel like staying in support for much longer
[17:04] <charl> maybe you could even work on some open source projects in your free time
[17:04] <psychicist> yes
[17:04] <charl> yeah support you quickly outgrow
[17:04] <psychicist> especially if I have been programming most of my adult life but just don't have a degree yet
[17:05] <charl> yeah there is a very big fixation on hbo level education in NL and from what i've heard in DE as well
[17:05] <charl> practically any job says minimum required hbo level
[17:05] <psychicist> yes
[17:05] <psychicist> well, I went to Delft but just couldn't continue
[17:05] <charl> doesn't mean to say you can do your job
[17:06] <psychicist> yeah
[17:06] <charl> i mean i see some people i worked with in the past, good people but didn't have a clue about practical software development
[17:06] <psychicist> even during the physics curriculum we learned to program Pascal, MIPS and M68K assembly and things like Matlab/Maple etc.
[17:06] <charl> all hbo people, just lack the practical experience
[17:06] <psychicist> I see
[17:06] <charl> ah matlab
[17:07] <charl> or you get some real autists, they might be technically brilliant but completely lack the feeling for people
[17:07] <charl> maybe they are not real autists but that's what we call them where i work
[17:07] <charl> we have a few of them :)
[17:07] <psychicist> :)
[17:07] <charl> fortunately not in our department though
[17:07] <psychicist> I have noticed more of those in CS curricula indeed :)
[17:08] <psychicist> or maybe in engineering in general
[17:08] <charl> yes
[17:10] <charl> speaking about delft, they do a lot of robotics stuff there
[17:10] <charl> or was that eindhoven
[17:11] <charl> http://www.robotics.tudelft.nl/
[17:12] <charl> ah this was eindhoven http://tweakers.net/video/8663/roboearth-een-internet-voor-robots.html
[17:13] <charl> this is also pretty cool, haven't seen this before http://tweakers.net/nieuws/93210/tu-delft-bouwt-autonoom-vliegende-robotlibelle-delfly-explorer.html
[17:13] <psychicist> yeah
[17:14] <psychicist> I wish I had the money to go back and study there
[17:14] <charl> yes me too !
[17:14] <psychicist> :)
[17:15] <psychicist> but I'll see if I can get a job and do CS at open university and then move to some place where I can work on cool stuff
[17:15] <charl> ah there is always open university as well yes
[17:15] <charl> i am now starting to think i should further my studies
[17:15] <charl> especially into hardware and electronics
[17:16] <charl> i did my previous qualifications in software only
[17:16] <charl> only electronics experience i have is breadboarding as a kid
[17:16] <psychicist> ah, I like hardware and electronics too
[17:17] <charl> but i really want to go and do something cool now
[17:17] <charl> i'm bored of just writing more web applications etc
[17:17] <charl> been doing it for too long, want to go and do something cool now
[17:18] <psychicist> I understand
[17:18] <psychicist> I don't know that much about web programming really
[17:25] <charl> my ultimate job would be to build the software for advanced home automation
[17:25] <charl> but i don't know where even to apply for a job in that direction
[17:25] <charl> afaik there isn't much money in that at the moment
[17:25] <psychicist> that's what I think too
[17:26] <charl> it doens't have to be a full-out AI but something into that direction would be cool
[17:26] <psychicist> I would love to go back to my applied physics and computer engineering studies and think of all kinds of crazy stuff
[17:26] <psychicist> yes, I feel current systems are still far too primitive
[17:27] <charl> in some places i feel we've made a lot of progress over the last 10 years
[17:27] <charl> we have really powerful and low-cost low-power computers now
[17:27] <charl> but we don't yet have the right software to run on it
[17:27] <psychicist> that is true
[17:27] <charl> what the software can do is just too limiting
[17:27] <charl> and let's face it most mobile interfaces suck
[17:28] <psychicist> but who is going to rethink/reinvent the entire software stack?
[17:28] <charl> besides, a phone is not going to do the dishes and make the coffee
[17:28] <charl> you don't really have to reinvent the wheel, you just need to build on top of what's already there
[17:29] <charl> but what's already there is also somewhat limiting still
[17:29] <psychicist> but it may be able to control those devices using whatever softwareor firmware runs on them
[17:29] <psychicist> software or*
[17:29] <charl> ah yeah of course, well i was thinking along the lines of full out domestic robots
[17:30] <charl> but with most devices you also have closed source firmware which is just plain evil
[17:30] <psychicist> that do everything related to the household for you?
[17:30] <charl> well, at lot of stuff at least
[17:30] <psychicist> yes, that's the current situation
[17:30] <charl> at the moment i only have a robot vacuming my floor
[17:30] <psychicist> wow, really?
[17:30] <psychicist> at home?
[17:30] <charl> standard roomba
[17:30] <charl> yes
[17:30] <charl> had it for almost a year now
[17:30] <psychicist> and how does it work?
[17:30] <charl> awesome :)
[17:30] <psychicist> :D
[17:31] <charl> probably does a better clean than what i can do myself
[17:31] <charl> it's thin so it gets in under the tables, chairs, etc
[17:31] <charl> and it has a brush which cleans the sides nicely against the wall
[17:31] <psychicist> that's quite advanced then
[17:32] <charl> it's pretty decent but admittedly robot vacume cleaners have been around for a while
[17:32] <charl> and it isn't that hard a thing to program
[17:32] <psychicist> what would be harder to program?
[17:33] <psychicist> we are just in the beginning stages, though
[17:33] <psychicist> and it's a good start, I think
[17:33] <charl> natural language processing etc is always quite tough but not that bad if you limit what can be processed to simple commands
[17:33] <charl> but yeah a full out maid robot that would do all the house chores would be great
[17:34] <psychicist> I would also be very interested in that aspect, also considering the fact that I speak so many languages and also learn new ones pretty fast
[17:34] <psychicist> haha
[17:34] <psychicist> so maybe a robot that could replace your wife or girlfriend wouldn't be too bad either
[17:35] <charl> nah you see that's the plan
[17:36] <charl> then my wife/girlfriend is there only for me :D
[17:36] <charl> hi cocooncrash 
[17:36] <psychicist> :D
[18:47] <ThatGraemeGuy> 'lo peeps