[00:06] <bluesabre> bbabl
[00:08] <Unit193> Adios.
[07:21] <ochosi> bluesabre: actually that seems to depend on kernel/hardware/drivers, it's impossible for me to switch it entirely off (i.e. there is a hardware limit or something)
[09:20] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 26 comment systemd 208 now in utopic's main archive.
[09:20] <xubutrello> Hi, Unit193.
[09:20] <Unit193> xubutrello: card 26 comment systemd 208 now in utopic.
[09:20] <xubutrello> Added "systemd 208 now in utopic." comment to "systemd testing" card.
[10:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: if you could reply to hjudt on the xfce-devel email, i forwarded your issue (he's the backlight expert)
[10:44] <bluesabre> aw, I have to open my email
[10:44] <bluesabre> :<
[10:48] <bluesabre> ochosi: responded
[10:52] <ochosi> thanks :)
[10:52] <ochosi> better to discuss such issues so that more ppl can easily follow
[10:53] <ochosi> we might need more testing, the backlight stuff in particular, but the power manager as a whole needs lots of hw testing
[10:53] <ochosi> (i mean it's unlikely to work worse than before, but...)
[10:53] <bluesabre> :)
[10:53] <ochosi> also, i think currently the menu disappears when you let go of the handle, not sure i like that
[10:53] <bluesabre> so, did Unit193 volunteer to package the soundmenu?
[10:54] <bluesabre> yes it does, there is a way to fix that
[10:54] <ochosi> kinda, but matias uses his own mpris library
[10:54] <bluesabre> but I forgot the particulars
[10:54] <ochosi> so that needs packaging as well
[10:54] <bluesabre> fun
[10:54] <ochosi> and i wanna ask him why that's necessary
[10:54] <bluesabre> sounds like lots of work
[10:55] <ochosi> yeah, since he wrote his own library, i don't believe he'll drop it because i ask
[10:55] <bluesabre> probably because mpris is not the easiest to work with, and an interface library simplifies things
[10:55] <ochosi> but if we consider it as an alternative to the soundmenu we currently have, we should talk about it
[10:55] <bluesabre> I mean, its dbus, but complicated dbus
[10:55] <bluesabre> yeah
[10:56] <ochosi> i think it'd be a good start for my plan to rid us of the dependency of indicators
[10:57] <ochosi> i mean they generally work really nicely now, but i expect more problems ahead with the porting to phone etc
[10:57] <ochosi> and unity8/qt
[10:57] <ochosi> so i'd rather have alternatives ready when that starts going down
[10:58] <bluesabre> yeah, makes sense to me
[10:59] <ochosi> another thing i'm sometimes wondering about is what'll happen with the systray as soon as xfce goes gtk3
[10:59] <ochosi> (no more xembed)
[10:59] <ochosi> so plugins are generally a safe bet
[11:06] <bluesabre> going to have some new releases of mugshot, catfish, and menulibre this weekend... time permitting
[11:06] <bluesabre> ochosi, will you be around this weekend?
[11:06] <ochosi> cool
[11:06] <ochosi> yeah, i will be
[11:07] <ochosi> today i won't, gotta rush of to a family festivity
[11:07] <ochosi> but sat and sun i should be around
[11:07] <bluesabre> cool
[11:08] <bluesabre> I'll also try to email andrew today... but it seems like the greeter development finally slowed down
[11:09] <ochosi> yeah, he didn't respond to my last email
[11:10] <ochosi> guess he's busy
[11:10] <ochosi> the dualhead setup is a nice feature, but having to write your own xrandr-script for the greeter... not sure about that
[11:11] <ochosi> i mean it's still useful, generally speaking, but it'll only be a small fraction of all users that'd benefit from that
[11:12] <bluesabre> yeah, but thats like most features in a login screen ;)
[11:14] <ochosi> partly true, but this one generally has the potential to improve the default behavior
[11:14] <ochosi> but i think we should move away from all the customizability a bit
[11:14] <ochosi> it complicates the code quite a bit
[11:14] <ochosi> and instead implement a better default
[11:15] <ochosi> (not sure andrew will like that though)
[11:18] <ochosi> righty, i gotta take off, ttyl
[11:18] <bluesabre> agreed
[11:18] <bluesabre> have fun, seeya
[11:18] <ochosi> u2, cya
[19:18] <Unit193> https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=734985 FWIW.
[19:36] <Unit193> bluesabre: So, if I have VLC and nightingale open, then hit 'play' in that panel plugin, what happens?