[05:04] <ScottK> Found and fixed a bug just about 4 months before it would have had its 11th anniversary.
[05:05] <ScottK> (Not Kubuntu related, but I had to share)
[05:05] <valorie> extremely cool!
[05:05] <valorie> and probably deep in the stack, if it was so old?
[05:08] <valorie> congratulations on doing that, ScottK
[06:08] <ScottK> Very much a corner case.
[06:09] <valorie> ScottK: nice to see someone sweeping the dust bunnies out of the corners
[09:17] <lordievader> Good morning.
[09:44] <soee> some user reports this issue:
[09:44] <soee> kubuntu-plasma5-desktop : Depends: kio-extras but it is not going to be installed
[10:51] <jussi> good evening all :)
[10:52] <apachelogger> xnox: I am not working on ubiquity; usb-creator might not be able to go upstream for 14.10 because we'd have integration issues from kdelibs4 -> pyqt5 WRT themeing
[10:52] <apachelogger> that is unless you have immediate use for it, I'd hold off for 15.04
[10:53] <apachelogger> jussi: hello bruce
[10:53] <jussi> hi apachelogger. why am I Bruce today?
[10:54] <apachelogger> jussi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_f_p0CgPeyA
[10:54] <apachelogger> I have to confess I never quite understood that sketch
[10:54] <soee> apachelogger: could you take few minutes and check if kubuntu-plasma5-desktop has dependency problems with kio-extras as some users reports ?
[10:55] <jussi> apachelogger: ahhhh...
[11:17] <apachelogger> soee: not at a work computer I am 
[11:18] <apachelogger> soee: "dependency problems" is not a description one can look into though :P
[11:18] <soee> apachelogger: he posted this http://pastebin.com/s3H2v8Sv
[11:19] <apachelogger> that's not really the problem though, something is holding back kio-extras
[11:19] <apachelogger> likely another alraedy installed package
[11:19] <apachelogger> so it's not an unlikey issue, what you pasted doesn't help finding it though :)
[11:20] <soee> is it possible somehow to verify what causing this ?
[11:21] <apachelogger> sure if the guy shows up again tell him to run `sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes kio-extras`
[11:21] <apachelogger> that will produce output that should say why exactly kio-extras cannot be installed
[11:23] <soee> hi dileep
[11:23] <soee> 13:21] <apachelogger> sure if the guy shows up again tell him to run `sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes kio-extras`
[11:23] <soee> apachelogger:  its dileep :)
[11:23] <dileep> i tried this
[11:24] <soee> and ?
[11:25] <dileep> this is what i get
[11:25] <dileep> http://pastebin.com/6N4bVZts
[11:27] <soee> libexif wasnt it a bit broken and placed in proposed ?
[11:27] <soee> not sure though if this verison exactly
[11:32] <soee> dileep: do you have by any chance proposed enabled ?
[11:33] <dileep> yes. it was checked
[11:33] <dileep> i'm updating cache ryt now
[11:44] <apachelogger> don't use proposed on the devel series, proposed often gets you into trouble there because all new packages without automated QA land there :)
[11:48] <dileep> still getting the same output on the terminal
[11:49] <dileep> important updates,recommended updates and unsupported updates are checked
[11:57] <dileep> what exactly is "sudo apt-get build-dep ufraw" is used for????
[11:59] <dileep> when i enter this "sudo apt-get install -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes libexiv2-12"
[12:00] <dileep> i get this on the terminal "Package libexiv2-12 is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:00] <dileep> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source"
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:48] <dileep> is there anything i can try to get plasma 5 in kubuntu 14.10 using ppa?
[12:51] <soee> dileep: it was fresh unicorn installation or upgrade from older version >
[12:51] <soee> ?
[12:51] <dileep> upgrade
[12:51] <soee> id suggest to fresh install
[12:53] <dileep> thats painful!!!i always do i get stuck
[12:54] <dileep> when* 
[12:55] <BluesKaj> plasma 5 ...ugh!
[13:14] <6JTAA0NVQ> can anyone please tell me the directory where the kde plasmoid widgets are saved?
[14:52] <ShalokShalom> http://se.cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/14.04/release/
[14:52] <ShalokShalom> Why 2 times desktop, please ? o.O
[21:59]  * yofel loves when the cause for a bug stares right at his face while he's debugging it for days..
[22:00] <yofel> I mean, 1.13.1 looks like a very valid floating point number, huh...
[22:06] <yofel> shadeslayer, apachelogger: looks sane? http://paste.kde.org/przs0cdiz
[22:08] <soee_> i can confirm now issue that one user reported earlier, iv installed 14.10 using latest iso, now when i want to insall plasma5 from next ppa
[22:08] <yofel> ok, I have suspend back \o/
[22:08] <yofel> now hibernate needs to be hidden...
[22:08] <soee_> i have dependency problem kubuntu-plasma5-desktop and kio-extras
[22:09] <yofel> the thing with exiv?
[22:10] <soee_> yes, kio-extras depends om libexif2-12 but is not installable
[22:10] <yofel> yeah, needs a rebuild
[22:10] <yofel> I'll do that
[22:21] <soee_> yofel is there any workaround for this atm ?
[22:21] <yofel> well, you can install libexiv2-12 from trusty...
[22:24] <ScottK> yofel: Why are we hiding hibernate again?
[22:24] <ScottK> It always worked fine for me, so I don't get it.
[22:25] <yofel> uh, IIRC too unreliable to leave enabled by default?
[22:25] <yofel> not sure what the state today is, but it's been very unreliable for me
[22:25] <ScottK> That's what I've heard, but is it really true.
[22:25] <ScottK> Since the Plasma 5 stuff is experimental anyway, maybe leave it an see how it goes.
[22:26] <yofel> nah, it's not plasma related, it's logind that doesn't respect the policy. So now that I made powerdevil use logind again Hibernate is "supported"
[22:28] <ScottK> I see.
[22:28] <ScottK> I'd say leave it and see if people complain.
[22:28] <yofel> so, just tried it again...
[22:29] <soee> yofel: the rebuild worked i think, the issue is gone 
[22:29] <yofel> a) the policykit authentication window that asks for the password to allow hibernating with multiple running users showed up after/below the screen lock
[22:30] <yofel> b) it did hibernate, it did *not* restore the session
[22:30] <yofel> might be thanks to be having 8G RAM and 6G swap...
[22:30] <yofel> *me
[22:31] <soee> 6G swap ?
[22:31] <yofel> yes?
[22:32] <soee> is it used anyway ?
[22:32] <yofel> often
[22:32] <soee> when does the swap is used? when ram is not enough only ?
[22:33] <yofel> keep quassel open, 4x dolphin, the whole pim/akonadi stuff, firefox, chrome, then build something with multiple compiler process
[22:33] <soee> woho, plasma5 works on my desktop now also :)
[22:33] <yofel> and suddenly 8G is not *that* much
[22:33] <soee> :)
[22:35] <soee> i wonder if this will work:
[22:36] <soee> on my laptop i have .config folder, is it possible to link it to owncloud directory and sync with .config on my desktop
[22:36] <soee> so i can have the same configuration on both PC and lap
[22:36] <ScottK> yofel: Usually for hibernate, you need swap > ram.
[22:37] <yofel> IIRC it's swap >= used memory, but I think I didn't have enough indeed
[22:38] <yofel> I pretty much stopped using it since I have 8G memory. It simply takes too long to copy that amount of data for my taste
[22:38] <yofel> and suspend does the job for me
[22:38] <ScottK> Right, but if swap !> ram, it'll be unreliable.
[22:39] <yofel> it would be unreliable even then. If you have 8G RAM + 12G swap, and a total of 13G memory used it'll fail again
[22:40] <yofel> windows solves this nicely by just using a dedicated file... but I guess that would be too much of a filesystem specific implementation for linux
[22:54] <soee> what was the package name for ctcurve for gtk apps ?
[22:55] <ScottK> You mean qtcurve?
[22:55] <soee> yes
[22:56] <ScottK> Binary is qtcurve
[22:56] <ScottK> Source is kde-style-qtcurve
[22:56] <soee> ah i think it is kde-style-qtcurve4
[22:57] <soee> yup.. got it on gtk settings list
[23:03] <soee> Riddell: shouldn't kde-style-qtcurve4 be installed by default and set as defautl for gtk2 apps ?
[23:05] <yofel> actually, that's the qt4 theme, you're looking for gtk2-engines-qtcurve
[23:07] <soee> i have installed it as it was recommended by kubuntu-plasma5-desktop but gtk2 apps did not use qtcurve if kde-style-qtcurve5 is not installed (it is not available in kcmshell4 kde-gtk-config)
[23:07] <soee> *qtcurve4
[23:08] <soee> or wait, wrong
[23:08] <soee> qt4 apps ?
[23:08] <soee> muon etc
[23:08] <soee> but i had ti set it through kde-gtk-config
[23:10] <yofel> there's a bunch of config stuff in kde-style-qtcurve4, maybe some of that is needed for the other 2
[23:25] <xnox> apachelogger: i'd love to review / study usb-creator port, and e.g. maintain it as a branch and/or another frontend-ui option upstream.