[09:41] <bluesabre> Unit193: good question
[11:00] <ochosi> i'm wondering what to do about the community-submitted wallpapers from 14.04 in 14.10
[11:01] <ochosi> not sure we simply wanna install them again by default, or whether we just leave the package in the repos for those who want it
[11:01] <bluesabre> we run another contest
[11:02] <ochosi> phu, not sure i have the energy for another contest
[11:02] <elfy> then if not I think there's no reason to not use the same ones again ;)
[11:03] <ochosi> well depends, that was a frequent point of criticism (even if it's hard for me to take it too seriously) that we only ship so few wallpapers by default
[11:03] <ochosi> i really don't wanna do wallpaper contests every release, that's exhausting and the results will hardly be great every time
[11:04] <elfy> but with the comm ones we ship more now don't we?
[11:04] <elfy> maybe carry on with the 14.04 ones - if people want to do more they can talk to us 
[11:05] <ochosi> yeah
[11:05] <ochosi> ah, i misread you there before
[11:05] <elfy> anyway - I'm not really here - keep almost going
[11:05]  * ochosi facepalms
[11:05] <ochosi> i thought you said there's no reason to use the same ones again
[11:05] <elfy> yea - thought so - which is why I said it slightly differently :)
[11:05] <ochosi> guess i need a coffee or some rest, can't decide
[11:05] <elfy> or both ;)
[11:05] <elfy> little one now decides she's ready ... bye
[11:06] <bluesabre> is there an easier way to do it?  Seems like using the wiki put a lot of workload on you guys
[11:07] <bluesabre> anyway, it doesn't really matter to me either way ;)
[11:07] <ochosi> not only that, there were many crappy submissions and i partly hunted down people who would submit stuff
[11:08] <ochosi> now that 14.04 is released, i can disclose that most walls we voted in were those i found online before and got the authors to submit them
[11:09] <ochosi> (well i guess most of you knew that anyway)
[11:09] <bluesabre> :)
[11:09] <ochosi> but the voting also took a lot of time
[11:09] <ochosi> we went through 3 rounds, which was good, but also tiresome
[11:12] <ochosi> and agreed, the wiki made submissions and everything a lot of work, but it also had its benefits
[12:16] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: For some reason I cannot inject a new mugshot package into debian... I've got the package here if you want to give it a shot (and not have to package it yourself)
[12:16] <bluesabre> dget http://www.smdavis.us/tmp/mugshot_0.2.4-1.dsc
[12:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: i discussed this with satya a few minutes ago, in 14.10 we'll retire albatross
[12:59] <ochosi> so only greybird, numix, orion and possibly bluebird will remain
[13:00] <bluesabre> ok, fine by me
[13:02]  * ochosi downloads utopic daily build
[13:03] <ochosi> you've split the shimmer-themes package into individual packages already, right?
[13:03] <ochosi> if so, feel free to drop albatross anytime
[13:04] <bluesabre> yes
[13:06] <ochosi> what about the daily-archive? should that be updated with the new packaging too then?
[13:07] <bluesabre> the ppa?
[13:08] <ochosi> yup, this one. https://launchpad.net/~shimmerproject/+archive/ubuntu/daily
[13:08] <bluesabre> yeah, its split already too
[13:08] <bluesabre> for utopic
[13:08] <ochosi> oh
[13:08] <bluesabre> keeping all of our themes in that one
[13:08] <bluesabre> so blackbird and albatross will stay there in case they are ever resurrected
[13:09] <ochosi> basically depends on new contributors picking that up
[13:09] <bluesabre> yup
[13:09] <ochosi> don't see myself doing that :>
[13:11] <bluesabre> ugh, so many differences for builds to work on older gtk
[13:11] <ochosi> for what, parole 0.7?
[13:11] <bluesabre> oh wait
[13:11] <bluesabre> why is it pulling gtk2?
[13:11] <bluesabre> :\
[13:11] <ochosi> huh fun
[13:12] <bluesabre> I really disliked 13.10 for all the upstream issues
[13:12] <bluesabre> I went 13.04 -> 14.04
[13:12] <ochosi> yeah, never upgraded my gf's laptop to 13.10 and used 14.04 from its early stages
[13:14] <ochosi> hm nice, the installer for utopic failed :/
[13:15] <ochosi> (partitioner)
[13:18] <ochosi> for some reason the menu separators don't look very nice in gtk3 in utopic
[13:19] <bluesabre> guess its time for me to start running utopic fulltime to nag you
[13:20] <ochosi> heh, well actually satya said he'd take care of the gtk3.12 transition
[13:20] <ochosi> so you can nag him then ;)
[13:21] <bluesabre> ok
[13:22] <bluesabre> I've got a feeling that everything else is on standby until the numix sass conversion is done then?
[13:22] <bluesabre> (or whatever that thing is called)
[13:22] <bluesabre> :)
[13:23]  * ochosi asks
[13:23] <ochosi> hm, so x-d-s 14.04.5 fixed the black screen bug, right?
[13:24] <bluesabre> probably
[13:24] <bluesabre> it sets the setting anyway
[13:24] <bluesabre> unless lls is not started correctly or something
[13:24] <ochosi> i'm drafting the article you and i were supposed to write on the subject for the blog
[13:24] <bluesabre> ah cool
[13:29] <ochosi> http://xubuntu.org/?p=2656&preview=true
[13:32] <ochosi> bluesabre: lemme know what you think, this is a very quick draft ^
[13:37] <bluesabre> looks good
[13:37] <bluesabre> Title could use some work
[13:37] <bluesabre> ;)
[13:37] <ochosi> feel free to just edit
[13:37] <ochosi> i mean all of it, then hit publish ;)
[13:38] <bluesabre> ok, I'll be sure to get to that today
[13:38] <ochosi> great
[13:38] <ochosi> so the sass port will happen for after 14.10
[13:39] <ochosi> our themes will get 3.12 support on the current code base
[13:39] <bluesabre> ah, I see
[13:39] <bluesabre> wow, that is really a huge undertaking then
[13:40] <ochosi> yeah, basically a rewrite
[13:40] <ochosi> not much fun
[13:40] <ochosi> one of those things where you invest lots of time and effort, hoping that the code will become more maintainable
[13:40] <bluesabre> yup, been there/done that ;)
[13:41] <bluesabre> hm, the daily iso seems rather unstable atm
[13:41] <bluesabre> in my vm, it almost starts, then I get a really wide black screen
[13:42] <bluesabre> ooh progress
[13:43] <ochosi> on what?
[13:43] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/Evyg3dQ
[13:44] <ochosi> hehe, looks flashy
[13:49] <ochosi> meh, installer always crashes at the partitioning step :(
[13:50] <ochosi> btw, i think i need to draw a different icon for the "plugged in" state in the power-manager's plugin
[13:50] <bluesabre> yes
[13:50] <ochosi> that lightning doesn't really cut it for me
[13:50] <bluesabre> :)
[13:51] <bluesabre> this could be a new default wallpaper https://imgur.com/2JOX8VB
[13:51] <ochosi> +1
[13:51] <ochosi> :D
[13:52] <ochosi> wee, finally managed to jump across that buggy partitioner
[13:52] <ochosi> so it's installing
[15:18] <pleia2> nice post
[15:20] <pleia2> social mediaed it
[17:06] <ochosi> thanks pleia2 
[18:31] <ochosi> bluesabre: i just pushed two of the icons that seemed too large in your utopic appmenu screenshot
[18:31] <ochosi> please check whether there
[18:31] <ochosi> are more
[18:31] <ochosi> (if possible)
[18:35] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll work on putting a list together as I find them
[18:38] <ochosi> cool, thanks
[18:38] <ochosi> so i fixed the keyboard-settings icon and jockey
[18:45] <bluesabre> cool, I'll check those out a bit later.. heading out to see a movie
[18:45] <bluesabre> bbl
[20:30] <Unit193> bluesabre: Speaking of which, in your packages in Debian, why isn't PAPT maintainer and both of you uploaders?
[22:55] <knome> i guess we could have a section on xubuntu-restricted-extras on the documentation
[22:57] <ochosi> sounds like a good idea to me