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G__81i have installed the qt4-doc package in 14.04. How do i access it?06:38
valorieG__81: access it?06:46
valorieoh, the doc06:46
valoriehmmm06:46
G__81valorie: i mean where would i find it. Is there an app like devhelp in gnome to access it ?06:47
valoriethere is the khelpcenter, but I'm not sure it will read qt5 docs06:47
valorieworth looking there, I guess06:47
valorieit's the Help menu item in every kde application06:48
valorieI don't know what devhelp is, so ?06:48
lordievaderG__81: dpkg -S qt4-doc?06:48
G__81lordievader: Thanks it says this07:04
G__81The documentation is provided in the new help format and manpage format;07:04
G__81 the new help format version can be viewed in conjunction with the Qt Assistant07:04
G__81 found in the qt4-dev-tools package.07:04
lordievaderG__81: Was that a lowercase s?07:06
G__81lordievader: i gave both07:08
G__81qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc07:08
G__81qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt07:08
G__81qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/copyright07:08
G__81qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/changelog.Debian.gz07:08
lordievader!paste| G__8107:08
ubottuG__81: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.07:08
G__81but inside that directory i couldnt find any html files so didnt know how to read those files07:08
lordievaderG__81: Hmm, then I do not know how to access the docs.07:09
G__81lordievader: i got it.07:10
G__81its qt4 assistant package which needs to be installed.07:10
G__81on installing it, it automatically picks up the docs07:11
G__81thanks lordievader07:11
lordievaderNo problem.07:11
Sanjeb82test07:26
Sanjeb82hi, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, I get to the login and when I try to login to my admin account the only thing that happens is that the login box disappears and my computer doesnt do anything else, im in the guest user now. what should I do to fix my admin or atleast create a new admin to access my documents from the other admin account?07:29
lordievaderSanjeb82: Try moving your kde profile.07:32
Sanjeb82<lordievader> how do I do that?07:32
lordievaderSanjeb82: Open a terminal: mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}07:34
lordievaderSanjeb82: Then logout and back in.07:34
Sanjeb82from the guest account?07:34
lordievaderSanjeb82: Ah, from the guest account first run "su <username>"07:35
valorieSanjeb82: your regular user account is not a "admin" account though07:38
Sanjeb82@lordievader I get "setgid: Operation not permitted"07:38
valorieadministrative functions use sudo07:38
lordievaderSanjeb82: You get that when you run su?07:39
Sanjeb82yup07:39
lordievaderSanjeb82: What is the exact command you run?07:39
Sanjeb82su sanjeb07:39
lordievaderSanjeb82: Hmm, it would explain why you can't login. How did you create this user?07:40
Sanjeb82I created the guest from the admin to avoid people accessing my files when I lend it07:41
Sanjeb82cant remember how exactly though, been a while07:42
lordievaderSanjeb82: I was asking about the sanjeb account, how did you create it?07:42
Sanjeb82ah, when I installed kubuntu07:43
Sanjeb82I dont have any other admins on my netbook07:43
lordievaderSanjeb82: Can you open a tty and login to the user sanjeb from there?07:45
Sanjeb82tty = terminal?07:46
Sanjeb82sorry, im not that experienced in linux, and i hate windows07:46
valorieSanjeb82: if your files are in your /home, others will not be able to access them without your user account password07:48
lordievaderSanjeb82: Press ctrl + alt + f1, that will get you to tty1, from there try to login as sanjeb.07:48
Sanjeb82ok07:48
sanjeb82@lordievader I was able to access my files through what you told me to but it kept on saying every now and then "asking for cache data failed". other than that I was able to see my files08:00
sanjeb82but wasnt able to go back here from there without restarting08:00
sanjeb82ah, I should write the command you gave me before to move the profile? could you retype it for me please?08:03
sanjeb82<lordievader> and is there a way to come back from the cnrl alt f1 without restarting?08:05
valoriesanjeb82: yes, control + alt + f8 usually08:08
valorieor try 9 - 1208:08
valoriesince lordievader seems to be gone for the moment, I'll paste in the mv command he gave you, sanjeb8208:10
valoriemv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}08:10
valoriethis just moves your old .kde which has configs and such in it, to a .bak file (backup)08:11
sanjeb82thank you valorie08:11
lordievadersanjeb82: ctrl + alt + f7 actually ;)08:11
valoriejust remember that your user in linux is not the same as admin in windows08:11
valorieone uses sudo to do admin functions08:11
lordievaderStrange though that su doesn't work but a login from a tty does...08:12
valoriethere are other ways to protect your files from guest users08:12
lordievaderEcrypt-fs (home-folder encryption)?08:12
sanjeb82ok, brb, going to try the command08:13
valoriehmmm, system seems to think chromium crashed, but it's working just fine08:18
valorieI guess that's better than the opposite sitch08:18
guest-wkpwNX_weird!! it is not telling me "login incorrect"!!08:18
valoriegotta love "An application has crashed on your system (now or in the past"08:19
guest-wkpwNX_huh, why did my name change?08:19
valorieso helpful08:19
* lordievader got to go08:19
valorieguest-wkpwNX_: the guest nick is offered when you haven't chosen one08:19
guest-wkpwNX_I was sanjeb82 before08:20
valorieyou can change it by typing on its own line: /nick newnick08:20
valorieright, but you erased your configs08:20
guest-wkpwNX_I didnt use the "mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}" yet08:21
valorieso your client didn't know what nick you wanted08:21
valorieoh, hmmm08:21
valorieah, did you see the above line? [01:20] <-- sanjeb82 (~guest-wkp@77.42.174.142) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds)08:22
valorieyou were pinging out08:22
valorieand you had no alternate nick chosen, probably08:22
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sanjeb1982ok, this is easier08:23
valorieyou can register with freenode and protect your nick if you like it08:23
valorie!register08:23
ubottuInformation about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick <nickname> » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode08:23
valoriein your client you can choose one or more alternates08:23
valoriepeople often use a _ or __ behind their nick08:24
valorielike mine is valorie_08:24
valorieor valorie__08:24
sanjeb1982@valorie the ttyl is not letting me login, it is telling me "login incorrect"08:24
valorieare you logging in from your guest account, or your user account?08:25
sanjeb1982guest08:25
sanjeb1982it worked a while ago, but now nope08:25
valoriehmmm08:25
valorieI don't log in from an alternate user very often08:26
sanjeb1982lordievader left?08:26
valoriecan you do the su username in the tty?08:27
valorieyes, he left08:27
valorieand I'll have to go soon as well08:27
valorie1:30am here08:27
sanjeb1982ah ok08:27
sanjeb1982@valorie what happens after I move my old kde into backup?08:28
valoriewhen you next login, you'll have clean configs08:29
valorienow, you can selectively move stuff back08:29
valorieI've done that before with no problem08:29
sanjeb1982ok cool08:30
valorieyou can even just do that in dolphin08:30
sanjeb1982I will try to log off guest and log in again and try the ttl again08:30
valoriesplit the window and just drag from the backup to the new and mostly empty .kde08:30
valoriesure08:30
valoriesee you later08:30
sanjeb1982see you later and thank you and lordievader for the help :)08:31
valorieI hope to see you soon08:31
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crimsonduskhey, I have a new laptop whose f12 key toggles wireless. this is annoying.. how would I go about removing this toggle? I'd like to use f12 for yakuake09:27
crimsonduskthis toggle does not appear in KDE settings09:29
tsimpsonhmm usually you have to hold down the Fn key to achieve the alternative action, it shouldn't happen from just pressing F1209:30
crimsonduskit happens for me09:31
crimsonduskthis is a hp g03009:31
crimsonduskit does not happen if I hold down the fn key while pressing f1209:31
crimsonduskinteresting... xev doesn't pick up on the fn key at all09:35
crimsonduskalso, pressing f12 without fn held, in addition to toggling wireless, appears to input a strange character09:36
crimsonduskpressing f12 without fn causes an x11 key press with keycode 25509:39
crimsonduskpressing it with fn yields the expected 9609:39
tsimpsonseems backward, I've never seen that before09:41
crimsonduskspecifying "keycode 255 = F12" doesn't appear to help..09:44
crimsonduskin xmodmap that is09:44
crimsonduskguess I have no option but to make yakuake use another key and try not to hit F12 too often :-/09:46
crimsonduskokay really what the heck... the function keys only work as function keys when pressed with fn, not the other way around10:06
crimsonduskit's not just f1210:07
tsimpsondid everything work correctly with the original OS (windows)?10:07
tsimpsonor did you do what I usually do and wipe it out right away ;010:08
crimsondusktake a guess :)10:08
crimsonduskthat it came with win 8.1 should help with the guess10:09
crimsonduskexcept that I merely installed ubuntu on dualboot10:09
tsimpsonI only ask because I suppose it's possible that it could be defective hardware10:09
crimsonduskbecause I do need the windows10:09
crimsonduskyeah... it's not really making any sense otherwise10:09
crimsonduskI guess I'll go see how it is with win810:09
crimsonduskit behaves exactly the same way on windows yeah10:17
crimsonduskso it's likely a hardware fault :-|10:17
tsimpsonannoying when that happens, but at least you know now10:19
crimsonduskyeah.. thanks10:19
crimsondusksomething tells me that it's a "feature" by our benelovent corporations10:20
tsimpsoninteresting "feature"10:22
crimsondusknow that I look at this keyboard more closely10:43
crimsonduskthe wi-fi/media controls/prt sc/... are on the foreground with the funciton keys on the top left corner in small letters10:44
crimsonduskso it really is a "feature"10:44
crimsondusk:-|10:44
nekoxmachinaHi! I've got a problem installing project-neon on Trusty. I've added the PPA but it keeps telling me when I apt-get that >project-neon<name> depends on stuff that is not available.10:56
nekoxmachinaWhat could be the rootcause?10:56
linuxgirlDoes the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64?10:57
linuxgirlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu10:57
BluesKaj'Morning all10:58
linuxgirlDoes the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64?11:00
linuxgirlhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu11:00
tsimpsonI don't know if it boost UEFI, but it is 64bit11:01
nekoxmachinait /should/ boot ok on uefi11:05
linuxgirldid  not work here on uefi11:05
nekoxmachinalinuxgirl: may depend on manufacturer of your motherboard11:18
linuxgirlnekoxmachina: L'iso Tahr marche sur UEFI11:19
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nixnashhello12:17
BluesKajhey nixnash12:21
nixnashi just installed kubuntu. so far so good12:22
BluesKajgood :)12:24
nixnashi have about 4 storage devices (hdd/sdd). sda is my ssd for windows 7. sdc is my 300gb hdd for kubuntu. during the kubuntu installation i mistakenly told the installer app to install the bootloader on sda1, so that ended up whiping out the efi bootloader used for windows 7.12:24
nixnashwhere can i find some directions to install grub on sdc with an option to load windows 7 from sda?12:25
linuxgirlnixnash: EFI does not "wipe out" bootloaders of another OS12:26
linuxgirlYou should be able to increase the boot order of Windows loader in the EFI setup12:26
nixnashlinuxgirl: the kubuntu installer wiped out the ms bootloader on the windows drive12:26
linuxgirlnixnash: It cannot unless you erased Windows or the ESP12:26
BluesKajnixnash, I have a similar setup, the bootloader is installed to the mbr on sda by default, just run sudo update-grub and it will find windows 712:27
nixnashi know i can relatively easily fix the windows efi bootloader with a windows installation disk. but i dont want to swap the boot disk priority to change operating systems.12:27
linuxgirlIts not like MBR it should result in an EFI partition should have two folders one called Microsoft and one called Ubuntu12:27
nixnashok. either way, the kubuntu installation made the windows bootloader on the sda drive stop working (for now)12:28
linuxgirlThere is no overwriting and only one loader in the MBR12:28
linuxgirlDid you delete the EFI partition before installing?12:29
nixnashnope12:29
nixnashi didnt change any partitions on the windows ssd. just the hdd for linux12:29
BluesKajdarn uefi, really muks things up for us used to the old reliable BIOS system12:29
linuxgirlBluesKaj: EFI is a good system actually12:30
linuxgirlBut some EFI's are buggy on some computers12:30
linuxgirlThe nice thing is you can have multiple loaders installed and select the one you want in the setup utility12:30
BluesKajnixnash, try running sudo os-prober, then run, sudo update-grub12:31
nixnashBluesKaj: will do. thanks!12:31
linuxgirlBluesKaj: OS-prober is not useful with EFI :P12:31
linuxgirlhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#UEFI_systems_2  This might help (ignore the installing grub part as that's for arch)12:32
nixnashlinuxgirl: is there a different utility that would work instead of os-prober?12:32
nixnashnvm12:32
linuxgirlGrub is supposed to detect it on its own I thought when using EFI12:32
BluesKajlinuxgirl, uefi was no help to me at all. I wiped the hdd clean and used legacy mode to install W7 then Kubuntu and then all was well12:32
nixnashBluesKaj: os-prober gives no output12:33
nixnashdoes it output to a file?12:33
BluesKajlinuxgirl, no thatdidn't work for me12:33
linuxgirlBut sometimes it does not and needs to be done manually especially if fast boot is on on Windows 8 when you install12:33
BluesKajnixnash, what about sudo update-grub12:34
nixnashBluesKaj: it found linux images12:34
nixnashnothing about the windows 712:34
linuxgirlBluesKaj: The nice thing with EFI is you can use a bootable UEFI shell with a command line interface from where you can locate any .EFI file and boot it even if its not working with the computer directly12:35
BluesKaj0k nixnash then i guess linuxgirl's advice is the way to go12:35
linuxgirlIs Windows 7 installed in UEFI mode?12:35
BluesKajlinuxgirl, UEFI isn't necessary for a successful dual boot setup. It's unecessarily complicated for my needs , perhaps those who want to retain W8.1 it might be useful, but anyone wanting to use W7 there's no point in it12:38
nixnashlinuxgirl: i believe so12:38
nixnashlinuxgirl: fdisk doesnt support gpt (when i do fdisk /dev/sda)12:39
linuxgirlMost people would probably say the same if they used UEFI only and switched to MBR.  BluesKaj I felt the same way for some time until I took the time to learn it. But each to his / her own12:39
linuxgirlnixnash: Does ubuntu boot?12:39
nixnashyup12:39
nixnashit runs fantastic12:39
nixnashit goes straight to ubuntu, no grub/lilo screen12:40
linuxgirlI have a similar setup with sda and sdb . Linux and Windows are on different drives but both EFI's are in the EFI partition of sda12:40
linuxgirlAnother thing is before installing Ubuntu there is an option in the EFI /bios setup called lock boot order or something that must be disabled12:40
linuxgirlok so can you mount the ESP ?12:41
nixnashesp?12:41
linuxgirlEFI system partition12:41
nixnashyes12:41
linuxgirlmount and and output its folders12:41
linuxgirl(here)12:41
linuxgirle.g sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt/12:42
linuxgirlcd /mnt/12:42
linuxgirlls12:42
linuxgirlWhere sdaX is the ESP12:43
nixnashthe contents of the windows partition are here : /media/nixnash/34E01560E015299E/12:44
BluesKajnixnash, what about the boot sequence in the UEFI/BIOS as linuxgirl mentioned , try using windows drive as default12:44
nixnashBluesKaj: right now the bios spews out nonsense when i have the windows drive as firstboot.12:45
nixnashscreen of all 9's12:45
linuxgirlBluesKaj: With EFI usually when there are multiple loaders on the same drive so like mine has options like "Windows loader" "ubuntu"etc in the menu12:45
BluesKajyou can thank microsoft for the uefi btw, deliberate muckup for other OSs and bootloaders12:46
nixnashlinuxgirl: i mounted /dev/sda3, and now the mount point has the contents of my "c" drive12:46
linuxgirlBoth some PC's have a buggy implementation that sometimes does not detect multiple os's etc (maybe bios update needed)12:46
linuxgirlCan you output lsblk12:46
linuxgirlOpen Konsole , type "lsblk"and show the output12:47
linuxgirl(Use paste.kde.org)12:47
nixnashhttp://pastebin.com/xzY9uVuf12:47
linuxgirl"cd /mnt/boot-sav/sda1"12:48
linuxgirlthen output of "ls"12:48
nixnashdirectory EFI12:48
linuxgirlcd EFI/12:48
linuxgirlthen ls12:48
nixnashdirectory: Boot & Microsoft12:49
linuxgirlHmm normally there ought to be an 'ubuntu'directory as well12:49
linuxgirlOn which partition is ubuntu?12:50
nixnashsdc[1-3]12:50
linuxgirlIs your bios menu setup in efi mode?12:53
linuxgirlOr did you turn on a legacy setting or something12:53
nixnashi'm not sure12:54
nixnashis there a way to check without rebooting?12:54
BluesKajlegacy mode should work unless it was switched after the kubuntu install12:54
nixnashi didnt change any bios settings except boot disk priority12:54
linuxgirlBluesKaj: Yeah but if Win was installed in EFI12:54
linuxgirland Kubuntu in legacy12:54
linuxgirlIt will never dual boot12:54
nixnashthat sounds so terrible!12:55
linuxgirlCan you run "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug'12:55
linuxgirlwithout " and '12:55
linuxgirlas root12:56
nixnashnixnash@DeathStar:/mnt/boot-sav$ sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug12:56
nixnashgrub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory.12:56
linuxgirltry "grub-install --target=x86_64_efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug12:57
BluesKajnixnash, switch to legacy mode then run the os-prober and grub-update commands12:57
* BluesKaj backs off ...this is not going to work...too many cooks12:58
linuxgirlnixnash: The first step is obviously to decide if you want to use mbr (legacy) or EFI12:58
nixnashsame error12:59
linuxgirlnixnash: ok "cd /usr/lib/grub/" then "ls"12:59
nixnashgrub-mkconfig_lib  i386-pc13:00
linuxgirlis this 64 bit ubuntu?13:01
linuxgirl*kubuntu13:01
linuxgirlYou can check with "uname -a"13:02
nixnashyes13:03
nixnash64 bit13:03
linuxgirlAre you currently in legacy mode13:03
linuxgirl(it seems like that)13:03
linuxgirlElse there has to be an Ubuntu folder in the ESP13:04
nixnashso does that mean i'll need to reinstall windows or ubuntu?13:06
linuxgirlOne sec13:06
nixnashsure. i appreciate the help, take your time13:07
linuxgirlWhen you installed Kubuntu did you see a boot menu like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/rL6Jh.jpg13:08
linuxgirlOr did it have more colours and a Kubuntu logo?13:08
nixnashno, i see a kubuntu logo13:08
linuxgirl(Boot menu not splash screen)13:08
nixnashi said earlier, it boots right into kubuntu, its a splash screen13:08
linuxgirlThen you installed Kubuntu in MBR mode and Windows in EFI mode .13:09
nixnashi see no grub/lilo boot menus13:09
nixnashnot suprised.13:09
linuxgirlI'm refering to the live cd / usb not the installed system13:09
nixnashoh13:09
nixnashi booted off the cd in the 'test kubuntu'13:10
nixnashthen i ran the installer13:10
linuxgirlI meant at this stage https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Identifying_if_the_computer_boots_the_Ubuntu_DVD_in_EFI_mode13:10
linuxgirlWhat did you see?13:10
nixnashnot efi mode13:11
linuxgirlThe simplest solution would be to change to EFI mode (not both mode) with CSM support off in the UEFI /bios setup tool13:12
linuxgirlThen install Kubuntu again13:12
nixnashaww bummer13:12
nixnashi spent hours getting all my crap installed and setup on kubuntu13:12
linuxgirlSelect your partitions as you want and but the boot on /dev/sda (you can do otherwise but with EFI there is no real use for that)13:12
linuxgirlIf you switch to UEFI mode and CSM off I guess Windows would boot13:13
nixnashi'd rather reinstall windows 7 at this point13:13
linuxgirlBut its not the only way and indeed if you only install grub in EFI mode it can be fixed13:14
nixnashhrm13:14
nixnashok. i'll have to take a detailed look at the page you linked me.13:14
linuxgirlNote to boot with EFI on a device it needs to have a ESP formatted in Fat13:15
linuxgirlOnly your /dev/sda seems to have one13:15
linuxgirlBut you can boot sdb etc with the ESP of sda13:16
nixnashi have to get going now, later tonight i'll come back to this. thanks again for all of the help13:16
linuxgirlNo problem13:16
linuxgirlIf you want to install Windows 7 now in legacy mode and then fix ubuntu's boot that is also an option. Personally I'd use UEFI on systems that support it. but that's optional13:17
BluesKajBBL13:59
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omerrajajoin ubuntu15:32
omerraja#join ubuntu'15:32
omerrajajoin #ubuntu15:33
tsimpsonit's /join #ubuntu15:33
omerraja#ubuntu15:33
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andy___hello17:31
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Guest94415hello17:31
Guest94415does anyone kne the RAM requirements for kubuntu?17:33
obertGuest94415: 2GB: first paragrph of the first page of the doc17:35
Guest94415pity, I've got 1GB17:35
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emmaHow come these instructions don't work for me -- http://itsfoss.com/install-spotify-ubuntu-1404/18:39
obertemma: errors?18:40
emmaW: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.spotify.com_dists_stable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages18:40
emmaNever mind that time it worked18:41
emmathe spotify server must have been down18:41
emmaweird coincidence.18:41
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