[03:14] hi [03:14] hi === gaz is now known as Guest12488 [06:38] i have installed the qt4-doc package in 14.04. How do i access it? [06:46] G__81: access it? [06:46] oh, the doc [06:46] hmmm [06:47] valorie: i mean where would i find it. Is there an app like devhelp in gnome to access it ? [06:47] there is the khelpcenter, but I'm not sure it will read qt5 docs [06:47] worth looking there, I guess [06:48] it's the Help menu item in every kde application [06:48] I don't know what devhelp is, so ? [06:48] G__81: dpkg -S qt4-doc? [07:04] lordievader: Thanks it says this [07:04] The documentation is provided in the new help format and manpage format; [07:04] the new help format version can be viewed in conjunction with the Qt Assistant [07:04] found in the qt4-dev-tools package. [07:06] G__81: Was that a lowercase s? [07:08] lordievader: i gave both [07:08] qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc [07:08] qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/LGPL_EXCEPTION.txt [07:08] qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/copyright [07:08] qt4-doc: /usr/share/doc/qt4-doc/changelog.Debian.gz [07:08] !paste| G__81 [07:08] G__81: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imgur.com/ !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [07:08] but inside that directory i couldnt find any html files so didnt know how to read those files [07:09] G__81: Hmm, then I do not know how to access the docs. [07:10] lordievader: i got it. [07:10] its qt4 assistant package which needs to be installed. [07:11] on installing it, it automatically picks up the docs [07:11] thanks lordievader [07:11] No problem. [07:26] test [07:29] hi, I am using Kubuntu 14.04, I get to the login and when I try to login to my admin account the only thing that happens is that the login box disappears and my computer doesnt do anything else, im in the guest user now. what should I do to fix my admin or atleast create a new admin to access my documents from the other admin account? [07:32] Sanjeb82: Try moving your kde profile. [07:32] how do I do that? [07:34] Sanjeb82: Open a terminal: mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak} [07:34] Sanjeb82: Then logout and back in. [07:34] from the guest account? [07:35] Sanjeb82: Ah, from the guest account first run "su " [07:38] Sanjeb82: your regular user account is not a "admin" account though [07:38] @lordievader I get "setgid: Operation not permitted" [07:38] administrative functions use sudo [07:39] Sanjeb82: You get that when you run su? [07:39] yup [07:39] Sanjeb82: What is the exact command you run? [07:39] su sanjeb [07:40] Sanjeb82: Hmm, it would explain why you can't login. How did you create this user? [07:41] I created the guest from the admin to avoid people accessing my files when I lend it [07:42] cant remember how exactly though, been a while [07:42] Sanjeb82: I was asking about the sanjeb account, how did you create it? [07:43] ah, when I installed kubuntu [07:43] I dont have any other admins on my netbook [07:45] Sanjeb82: Can you open a tty and login to the user sanjeb from there? [07:46] tty = terminal? [07:46] sorry, im not that experienced in linux, and i hate windows [07:48] Sanjeb82: if your files are in your /home, others will not be able to access them without your user account password [07:48] Sanjeb82: Press ctrl + alt + f1, that will get you to tty1, from there try to login as sanjeb. [07:48] ok [08:00] @lordievader I was able to access my files through what you told me to but it kept on saying every now and then "asking for cache data failed". other than that I was able to see my files [08:00] but wasnt able to go back here from there without restarting [08:03] ah, I should write the command you gave me before to move the profile? could you retype it for me please? [08:05] and is there a way to come back from the cnrl alt f1 without restarting? [08:08] sanjeb82: yes, control + alt + f8 usually [08:08] or try 9 - 12 [08:10] since lordievader seems to be gone for the moment, I'll paste in the mv command he gave you, sanjeb82 [08:10] mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak} [08:11] this just moves your old .kde which has configs and such in it, to a .bak file (backup) [08:11] thank you valorie [08:11] sanjeb82: ctrl + alt + f7 actually ;) [08:11] just remember that your user in linux is not the same as admin in windows [08:11] one uses sudo to do admin functions [08:12] Strange though that su doesn't work but a login from a tty does... [08:12] there are other ways to protect your files from guest users [08:12] Ecrypt-fs (home-folder encryption)? [08:13] ok, brb, going to try the command [08:18] hmmm, system seems to think chromium crashed, but it's working just fine [08:18] I guess that's better than the opposite sitch [08:18] weird!! it is not telling me "login incorrect"!! [08:19] gotta love "An application has crashed on your system (now or in the past" [08:19] huh, why did my name change? [08:19] so helpful [08:19] * lordievader got to go [08:19] guest-wkpwNX_: the guest nick is offered when you haven't chosen one [08:20] I was sanjeb82 before [08:20] you can change it by typing on its own line: /nick newnick [08:20] right, but you erased your configs [08:21] I didnt use the "mv ~/{.kde,.kde.bak}" yet [08:21] so your client didn't know what nick you wanted [08:21] oh, hmmm [08:22] ah, did you see the above line? [01:20] <-- sanjeb82 (~guest-wkp@77.42.174.142) has left this server (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [08:22] you were pinging out [08:22] and you had no alternate nick chosen, probably === guest-wkpwNX_ is now known as sanjeb1982 [08:23] ok, this is easier [08:23] you can register with freenode and protect your nick if you like it [08:23] !register [08:23] Information about registering your nickname: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat/Registration - Type « /nick » to select your nickname. Registration help available by typing /join #freenode [08:23] in your client you can choose one or more alternates [08:24] people often use a _ or __ behind their nick [08:24] like mine is valorie_ [08:24] or valorie__ [08:24] @valorie the ttyl is not letting me login, it is telling me "login incorrect" [08:25] are you logging in from your guest account, or your user account? [08:25] guest [08:25] it worked a while ago, but now nope [08:25] hmmm [08:26] I don't log in from an alternate user very often [08:26] lordievader left? [08:27] can you do the su username in the tty? [08:27] yes, he left [08:27] and I'll have to go soon as well [08:27] 1:30am here [08:27] ah ok [08:28] @valorie what happens after I move my old kde into backup? [08:29] when you next login, you'll have clean configs [08:29] now, you can selectively move stuff back [08:29] I've done that before with no problem [08:30] ok cool [08:30] you can even just do that in dolphin [08:30] I will try to log off guest and log in again and try the ttl again [08:30] split the window and just drag from the backup to the new and mostly empty .kde [08:30] sure [08:30] see you later [08:31] see you later and thank you and lordievader for the help :) [08:31] I hope to see you soon === charlie_ is now known as Guest99571 [09:27] hey, I have a new laptop whose f12 key toggles wireless. this is annoying.. how would I go about removing this toggle? I'd like to use f12 for yakuake [09:29] this toggle does not appear in KDE settings [09:30] hmm usually you have to hold down the Fn key to achieve the alternative action, it shouldn't happen from just pressing F12 [09:31] it happens for me [09:31] this is a hp g030 [09:31] it does not happen if I hold down the fn key while pressing f12 [09:35] interesting... xev doesn't pick up on the fn key at all [09:36] also, pressing f12 without fn held, in addition to toggling wireless, appears to input a strange character [09:39] pressing f12 without fn causes an x11 key press with keycode 255 [09:39] pressing it with fn yields the expected 96 [09:41] seems backward, I've never seen that before [09:44] specifying "keycode 255 = F12" doesn't appear to help.. [09:44] in xmodmap that is [09:46] guess I have no option but to make yakuake use another key and try not to hit F12 too often :-/ [10:06] okay really what the heck... the function keys only work as function keys when pressed with fn, not the other way around [10:07] it's not just f12 [10:07] did everything work correctly with the original OS (windows)? [10:08] or did you do what I usually do and wipe it out right away ;0 [10:08] take a guess :) [10:09] that it came with win 8.1 should help with the guess [10:09] except that I merely installed ubuntu on dualboot [10:09] I only ask because I suppose it's possible that it could be defective hardware [10:09] because I do need the windows [10:09] yeah... it's not really making any sense otherwise [10:09] I guess I'll go see how it is with win8 [10:17] it behaves exactly the same way on windows yeah [10:17] so it's likely a hardware fault :-| [10:19] annoying when that happens, but at least you know now [10:19] yeah.. thanks [10:20] something tells me that it's a "feature" by our benelovent corporations [10:22] interesting "feature" [10:43] now that I look at this keyboard more closely [10:44] the wi-fi/media controls/prt sc/... are on the foreground with the funciton keys on the top left corner in small letters [10:44] so it really is a "feature" [10:44] :-| [10:56] Hi! I've got a problem installing project-neon on Trusty. I've added the PPA but it keeps telling me when I apt-get that >project-neon depends on stuff that is not available. [10:56] What could be the rootcause? [10:57] Does the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64? [10:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu [10:58] 'Morning all [11:00] Does the plasma 5 iso of utopic boot on UEFI and is it x86 or x64? [11:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UtopicUnicorn/Alpha2/Kubuntu [11:01] I don't know if it boost UEFI, but it is 64bit [11:05] it /should/ boot ok on uefi [11:05] did not work here on uefi [11:18] linuxgirl: may depend on manufacturer of your motherboard [11:19] nekoxmachina: L'iso Tahr marche sur UEFI === JLP_ is now known as 7GHAAHV6J === 7GHAAHV6J is now known as JLP [12:17] hello [12:21] hey nixnash [12:22] i just installed kubuntu. so far so good [12:24] good :) [12:24] i have about 4 storage devices (hdd/sdd). sda is my ssd for windows 7. sdc is my 300gb hdd for kubuntu. during the kubuntu installation i mistakenly told the installer app to install the bootloader on sda1, so that ended up whiping out the efi bootloader used for windows 7. [12:25] where can i find some directions to install grub on sdc with an option to load windows 7 from sda? [12:26] nixnash: EFI does not "wipe out" bootloaders of another OS [12:26] You should be able to increase the boot order of Windows loader in the EFI setup [12:26] linuxgirl: the kubuntu installer wiped out the ms bootloader on the windows drive [12:26] nixnash: It cannot unless you erased Windows or the ESP [12:27] nixnash, I have a similar setup, the bootloader is installed to the mbr on sda by default, just run sudo update-grub and it will find windows 7 [12:27] i know i can relatively easily fix the windows efi bootloader with a windows installation disk. but i dont want to swap the boot disk priority to change operating systems. [12:27] Its not like MBR it should result in an EFI partition should have two folders one called Microsoft and one called Ubuntu [12:28] ok. either way, the kubuntu installation made the windows bootloader on the sda drive stop working (for now) [12:28] There is no overwriting and only one loader in the MBR [12:29] Did you delete the EFI partition before installing? [12:29] nope [12:29] i didnt change any partitions on the windows ssd. just the hdd for linux [12:29] darn uefi, really muks things up for us used to the old reliable BIOS system [12:30] BluesKaj: EFI is a good system actually [12:30] But some EFI's are buggy on some computers [12:30] The nice thing is you can have multiple loaders installed and select the one you want in the setup utility [12:31] nixnash, try running sudo os-prober, then run, sudo update-grub [12:31] BluesKaj: will do. thanks! [12:31] BluesKaj: OS-prober is not useful with EFI :P [12:32] https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/GRUB#UEFI_systems_2 This might help (ignore the installing grub part as that's for arch) [12:32] linuxgirl: is there a different utility that would work instead of os-prober? [12:32] nvm [12:32] Grub is supposed to detect it on its own I thought when using EFI [12:32] linuxgirl, uefi was no help to me at all. I wiped the hdd clean and used legacy mode to install W7 then Kubuntu and then all was well [12:33] BluesKaj: os-prober gives no output [12:33] does it output to a file? [12:33] linuxgirl, no thatdidn't work for me [12:33] But sometimes it does not and needs to be done manually especially if fast boot is on on Windows 8 when you install [12:34] nixnash, what about sudo update-grub [12:34] BluesKaj: it found linux images [12:34] nothing about the windows 7 [12:35] BluesKaj: The nice thing with EFI is you can use a bootable UEFI shell with a command line interface from where you can locate any .EFI file and boot it even if its not working with the computer directly [12:35] 0k nixnash then i guess linuxgirl's advice is the way to go [12:35] Is Windows 7 installed in UEFI mode? [12:38] linuxgirl, UEFI isn't necessary for a successful dual boot setup. It's unecessarily complicated for my needs , perhaps those who want to retain W8.1 it might be useful, but anyone wanting to use W7 there's no point in it [12:38] linuxgirl: i believe so [12:39] linuxgirl: fdisk doesnt support gpt (when i do fdisk /dev/sda) [12:39] Most people would probably say the same if they used UEFI only and switched to MBR. BluesKaj I felt the same way for some time until I took the time to learn it. But each to his / her own [12:39] nixnash: Does ubuntu boot? [12:39] yup [12:39] it runs fantastic [12:40] it goes straight to ubuntu, no grub/lilo screen [12:40] I have a similar setup with sda and sdb . Linux and Windows are on different drives but both EFI's are in the EFI partition of sda [12:40] Another thing is before installing Ubuntu there is an option in the EFI /bios setup called lock boot order or something that must be disabled [12:41] ok so can you mount the ESP ? [12:41] esp? [12:41] EFI system partition [12:41] yes [12:41] mount and and output its folders [12:41] (here) [12:42] e.g sudo mount /dev/sdaX /mnt/ [12:42] cd /mnt/ [12:42] ls [12:43] Where sdaX is the ESP [12:44] the contents of the windows partition are here : /media/nixnash/34E01560E015299E/ [12:44] nixnash, what about the boot sequence in the UEFI/BIOS as linuxgirl mentioned , try using windows drive as default [12:45] BluesKaj: right now the bios spews out nonsense when i have the windows drive as firstboot. [12:45] screen of all 9's [12:45] BluesKaj: With EFI usually when there are multiple loaders on the same drive so like mine has options like "Windows loader" "ubuntu"etc in the menu [12:46] you can thank microsoft for the uefi btw, deliberate muckup for other OSs and bootloaders [12:46] linuxgirl: i mounted /dev/sda3, and now the mount point has the contents of my "c" drive [12:46] Both some PC's have a buggy implementation that sometimes does not detect multiple os's etc (maybe bios update needed) [12:46] Can you output lsblk [12:47] Open Konsole , type "lsblk"and show the output [12:47] (Use paste.kde.org) [12:47] http://pastebin.com/xzY9uVuf [12:48] "cd /mnt/boot-sav/sda1" [12:48] then output of "ls" [12:48] directory EFI [12:48] cd EFI/ [12:48] then ls [12:49] directory: Boot & Microsoft [12:49] Hmm normally there ought to be an 'ubuntu'directory as well [12:50] On which partition is ubuntu? [12:50] sdc[1-3] [12:53] Is your bios menu setup in efi mode? [12:53] Or did you turn on a legacy setting or something [12:54] i'm not sure [12:54] is there a way to check without rebooting? [12:54] legacy mode should work unless it was switched after the kubuntu install [12:54] i didnt change any bios settings except boot disk priority [12:54] BluesKaj: Yeah but if Win was installed in EFI [12:54] and Kubuntu in legacy [12:54] It will never dual boot [12:55] that sounds so terrible! [12:55] Can you run "grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug' [12:55] without " and ' [12:56] as root [12:56] nixnash@DeathStar:/mnt/boot-sav$ sudo grub-install --target=x86_64-efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug [12:56] grub-install: error: /usr/lib/grub/x86_64-efi/modinfo.sh doesn't exist. Please specify --target or --directory. [12:57] try "grub-install --target=x86_64_efi --efi-directory=/mnt/boot-sav/sda1 --bootloader-id=ubuntu --recheck --debug [12:57] nixnash, switch to legacy mode then run the os-prober and grub-update commands [12:58] * BluesKaj backs off ...this is not going to work...too many cooks [12:58] nixnash: The first step is obviously to decide if you want to use mbr (legacy) or EFI [12:59] same error [12:59] nixnash: ok "cd /usr/lib/grub/" then "ls" [13:00] grub-mkconfig_lib i386-pc [13:01] is this 64 bit ubuntu? [13:01] *kubuntu [13:02] You can check with "uname -a" [13:03] yes [13:03] 64 bit [13:03] Are you currently in legacy mode [13:03] (it seems like that) [13:04] Else there has to be an Ubuntu folder in the ESP [13:06] so does that mean i'll need to reinstall windows or ubuntu? [13:06] One sec [13:07] sure. i appreciate the help, take your time [13:08] When you installed Kubuntu did you see a boot menu like this http://i.stack.imgur.com/rL6Jh.jpg [13:08] Or did it have more colours and a Kubuntu logo? [13:08] no, i see a kubuntu logo [13:08] (Boot menu not splash screen) [13:08] i said earlier, it boots right into kubuntu, its a splash screen [13:09] Then you installed Kubuntu in MBR mode and Windows in EFI mode . [13:09] i see no grub/lilo boot menus [13:09] not suprised. [13:09] I'm refering to the live cd / usb not the installed system [13:09] oh [13:10] i booted off the cd in the 'test kubuntu' [13:10] then i ran the installer [13:10] I meant at this stage https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI#Identifying_if_the_computer_boots_the_Ubuntu_DVD_in_EFI_mode [13:10] What did you see? [13:11] not efi mode [13:12] The simplest solution would be to change to EFI mode (not both mode) with CSM support off in the UEFI /bios setup tool [13:12] Then install Kubuntu again [13:12] aww bummer [13:12] i spent hours getting all my crap installed and setup on kubuntu [13:12] Select your partitions as you want and but the boot on /dev/sda (you can do otherwise but with EFI there is no real use for that) [13:13] If you switch to UEFI mode and CSM off I guess Windows would boot [13:13] i'd rather reinstall windows 7 at this point [13:14] But its not the only way and indeed if you only install grub in EFI mode it can be fixed [13:14] hrm [13:14] ok. i'll have to take a detailed look at the page you linked me. [13:15] Note to boot with EFI on a device it needs to have a ESP formatted in Fat [13:15] Only your /dev/sda seems to have one [13:16] But you can boot sdb etc with the ESP of sda [13:16] i have to get going now, later tonight i'll come back to this. thanks again for all of the help [13:16] No problem [13:17] If you want to install Windows 7 now in legacy mode and then fix ubuntu's boot that is also an option. Personally I'd use UEFI on systems that support it. but that's optional [13:59] BBL === juboxi is now known as jubo2 === jubo2 is now known as jubolog2 [15:32] join ubuntu [15:32] #join ubuntu' [15:33] join #ubuntu [15:33] it's /join #ubuntu [15:33] #ubuntu === c_ is now known as Guest88992 === me is now known as Guest48939 === rob is now known as DarthFrog [17:31] hello === andy___ is now known as Guest94415 [17:31] hello [17:33] does anyone kne the RAM requirements for kubuntu? [17:35] Guest94415: 2GB: first paragrph of the first page of the doc [17:35] pity, I've got 1GB === clement is now known as Guest69266 === Guest69266 is now known as BadBIOS === jubolog2 is now known as jubo2 [18:39] How come these instructions don't work for me -- http://itsfoss.com/install-spotify-ubuntu-1404/ [18:40] emma: errors? [18:40] W: Failed to fetch gzip:/var/lib/apt/lists/partial/repository.spotify.com_dists_stable_non-free_binary-amd64_Packages [18:41] Never mind that time it worked [18:41] the spotify server must have been down [18:41] weird coincidence. === rebecca is now known as Guest87048