[09:12] <elfy> ochosi: re the request to join -qa , the guy is not in -testers yet :) no mention of them on trackers, am rejecting
[09:15] <ochosi> righty
[09:15] <ochosi> you can also send him a message
[09:15] <ochosi> i usually do that with people who apply for xubuntu-art
[09:21] <elfy> I did :)
[09:29] <ochosi> ok cool
[09:30] <elfy> you should see that in mail - you're an sdmin of the lp group too
[09:46] <ochosi> yeah, i received an email, but didn't read it :>
[09:54] <ochosi> bluesabre: whenever you're around, care to take a quick peek at a tabwin tweak in utopic? (i can send you the diff)
[09:54] <elfy> ochosi: that's why I never get answers from you then :p
[09:58] <ochosi> heh, well i just read the title of the mail and felt you've taken care of it
[09:58] <elfy> lol
[09:58] <ochosi> after all you're the team lead and i'm supposed to trust you with that
[09:59] <knome> the automatic launchpad emails can be taunting in quantity and boring to read in quality :P
[09:59] <elfy> :)
[10:00] <elfy> tbf - the same can be said for just about anything you care to mention :D
[10:00] <knome> i guess.. but that happens a lot with LP emails
[10:00] <knome> when i was the XPL, i filtered out a lot of stuff
[10:03] <elfy> I don't doubt it :)
[10:04] <ochosi> soo, xchat is +5 / -6 currently
[10:05] <knome> dropping or keeping is winning?
[10:05] <ochosi> keeping
[10:05] <knome> you're a bit ambiguous...
[10:05] <ochosi> not really, the vote is about the proposal to drop it
[10:05] <ochosi> so if you'd remember the email, it'd be clear :)
[10:05] <ochosi> anyway, lderan's voting was a bit ambiguous
[10:06] <ochosi> so i asked to be sure
[10:06] <knome> yeah, but you said "xchat", not "the xchat vote" :P
[10:06] <knome> whatever
[10:06] <ochosi> i guess he likes to be the tip on the scale
[10:10] <ochosi> either way, the vote is pretty close to a tie
[10:10] <ochosi> seems to be a controversial issue
[10:10] <bluesabre> Unit193: I'm listed as a maintainer for it, not sure why svn hates me
[10:10] <bluesabre> ochosi: I'll check it out now
[10:11] <bluesabre> didn't feel well last night when I got home, so I went to bed
[10:11] <ochosi> it's a rather subtle change, so i'm partly wondering how it'll come across on a different screen
[10:11] <ochosi> oh, sorry to hear
[10:11] <ochosi> bad nachos?
[10:12] <bluesabre> ha
[10:13] <ochosi> bluesabre: diff for greybird: http://dpaste.com/0W60Q68
[10:20] <bluesabre> ah
[10:20] <bluesabre> ok, looks good
[10:20] <bluesabre> took forever to spot the change
[10:21] <ochosi> :)
[10:21] <ochosi> yeah, i know it's rather subtle
[10:22] <elfy> don't expect me to see it then ;)
[10:23] <ochosi> well actually it adds a little more contrast to the currently selected window
[10:23] <ochosi> if anything, it should help you to see *that* better ;)
[10:24] <elfy> you mean the alt+tab switchy thing? 
[10:24] <ochosi> yup
[10:24] <elfy> mine has name in the 'selected' one - seems blunt enough for me :)
[10:25] <ochosi> yeah, i know, took me a while to come up with that actually
[10:25] <elfy> that's good - elfy approves of that one :)
[10:25] <elfy> anything subtle I am likely to miss unless someone shows me :D
[10:26] <bluesabre> that's how we can sneak new features past elfy
[10:26] <bluesabre> introduce them a bit at a time
[10:26] <elfy> yep - my kids do it all the time ;)
[10:26] <bluesabre> :D
[10:27] <ochosi> hehe
[10:27] <ochosi> btw, i have another suggestion
[10:27] <ochosi> apptitle bold, appdescription normal font
[10:28] <bluesabre> apptitle = bottom?
[10:28] <ochosi> nah
[10:28] <ochosi> like this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-122819.php
[10:29] <ochosi> having both bold looks.... bad :)
[10:29] <bluesabre> looks good to me
[10:29] <elfy> and me ... 
[10:29] <elfy> I think :p
[10:30] <bluesabre> also, you clearly do not use application menus
[10:30] <elfy> anyway - have a good day - I'm off to see what Sunday does to me this week 
[10:30] <ochosi> hf elfy 
[10:30] <ochosi> ttyl
[10:30] <bluesabre> seeya elfy
[10:30] <ochosi> application menus?
[10:30] <ochosi> you mean like whisker?
[10:30] <bluesabre> plank
[10:30] <bluesabre> has so many icons
[10:30] <bluesabre> O.O
[10:31] <ochosi> yeah, but my screen is sooo wide :)
[10:31] <elfy> a cornucopia of icons that is bluesabre :)
[10:31] <bluesabre> :)
[10:31] <ochosi> well it helps me to keep a focus on which icons need improvement ;)
[10:31] <bluesabre> fair enough
[10:31] <bluesabre> but in that case, you should set your plank to 96px
[10:31] <ochosi> btw, have any of you tried the list mode of alt-tab?
[10:31] <ochosi> :D
[10:32] <bluesabre> not recently
[10:32] <ochosi> tweaks -> cycle through windows in a list
[10:32] <ochosi> the iconsize is currently defined in the theme
[10:32] <ochosi> so in greybird it's 16
[10:32] <ochosi> with the patch for bold apptitle, that's all bold too now
[10:33] <bluesabre> 16 = too small
[10:33]  * bluesabre experiments
[10:33] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-123305.php
[10:35] <bluesabre> that looks ok to me
[10:41] <ochosi> bluesabre: http://dpaste.com/238CTFH
[10:44] <bluesabre> much easier to read
[10:46] <ochosi> ok cool, i'll go ahead and push that then
[10:48] <ochosi> done
[10:49] <bluesabre> Noskcaj: got svn-inject to work
[10:49] <ochosi> oddly, i can't pin chrome to plank
[10:49] <ochosi> (and it is such an incredible cpu hogger)
[10:52] <bluesabre> fix for that
[10:52] <ochosi> other than not using chrome you mean? :)
[10:52] <bluesabre> thats one
[10:52] <bluesabre> copy the launcher to ~/.local/share/applications and 
[10:52] <bluesabre> $ diff /usr/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop ~/.local/share/applications/google-chrome.desktop 
[10:52] <bluesabre> 112a113
[10:52] <bluesabre> > StartupWMClass=Google-chrome-stable
[10:56] <ochosi> hmm, i see
[10:59] <ochosi> well that's not very nice of chrome
[11:12] <bluesabre> indeed
[11:13] <bluesabre> and if you don't change it locally, it gets overwritten on update
[11:14] <ochosi> :/
[12:20] <ochosi> bluesabre: hm, shimmer daily ppa hasn't built for trusty in a while, what's up with that?
[12:20] <ochosi> i mean the shimmer-themes package
[12:20] <ochosi> the icon theme has built fine
[12:23] <bluesabre> satya disabled it since he was starting gtk 3.12 builds
[12:23] <bluesabre> s/builds/commits
[12:24] <bluesabre> I can reenable it for trusty just as easily
[12:35] <ochosi> right, well as soon as he really starts with the gtk3.12 port, we can do that .)
[12:35] <bluesabre> :)
[12:35] <ochosi> for now it'd be nice to get the theme updates
[12:35] <bluesabre> enabling now
[12:35] <ochosi> i'll quickly inform him
[12:36] <bluesabre> he can re-disable when he sees fit :)
[12:38] <ochosi> yup
[12:40] <ochosi> so this is how the soundmenu by matias looks now: https://cloud.githubusercontent.com/assets/733715/3773756/e4d51188-1916-11e4-9ee9-8c65220b294f.png
[12:40] <ochosi> lotsa buttons in the panel :)
[12:40] <ochosi> or in fact: lotsa buttons in the panel :s
[12:42] <bluesabre> oh
[12:42] <bluesabre> ew
[12:43] <bluesabre> I feel like the old screenshot he had showed while we were developing was very reminiscent of the sound indicator or gnome extension
[12:47] <ochosi> yeah, we can suggest a redesign
[12:48] <ochosi> not sure how much luck we'll have with that
[12:49] <satya> ochosi, hola!
[12:49] <ochosi> bluesabre showed me a screenshot of the dialog buttons not being connected
[12:49] <ochosi> that is one of the issues
[12:49] <ochosi> and i guess tabs are the other issue
[12:49] <bluesabre> and you mentioned menu separators?
[12:49] <ochosi> although i dunno, bluesabre do you have your utopic box handy?
[12:49] <ochosi> yeah, those looked too black
[12:49] <satya> yeah, the dialog buttons thing is a mystery for me right now
[12:50] <bluesabre> just updated my vm, restarting it now
[12:50] <satya> I expect to fic it in the SASS port
[12:50] <ochosi> they look really crappy though atm
[12:50] <satya> I cannot gurrantee it will be fixed in this release
[12:50] <ochosi> so we should try to at least find a workaround for 14.10
[12:50] <satya> yeah, they do
[12:50] <ochosi> maybe make them look disconnected, separate buttons?
[12:51] <ochosi> at least if we can't remove the padding between them
[12:51] <satya> I tried using gtkparasite, but doesn't help
[12:51] <satya> I mean it behaves weird
[12:51] <satya> sometimes it is connected, sometimes not
[12:51] <ochosi> :/
[12:52] <satya> yeah, I have already tried a lot to fix it
[12:52] <ochosi> i thought it was just a consistent problem
[12:53] <satya> I'll try to complete the SASS port soon. when is the UI freeze
[12:53] <bluesabre> 9/11
[12:53] <satya> so I have a month
[12:54] <bluesabre> Do you think we can have these ready a week in advance (9/4)?
[12:54] <ochosi> yeah, that'd be ideal
[12:54] <satya> I'll try, but I cannot gurrantee
[12:54] <satya> you know, I get tired with office work and all
[12:54] <ochosi> i presume it's not a lot of work to just fix the tabs in utopic
[12:54] <ochosi> yeah, sure, don't worry
[12:55] <ochosi> i mean we can do the sass port for 15.04 too
[12:55] <satya> yup. so, for now, ignore the dialog box buttons
[12:55] <satya> what other bug is there?
[12:55] <satya> tabs, right?
[12:55] <ochosi> i guess, bluesabre ^ ?
[12:55] <ochosi> the menu separators also looked odd
[12:55] <ochosi> at least in greybird
[12:56] <ochosi> i only had a chance to look at utopic yesterday very briefly, but i'll take another look tomorrow @office
[12:56] <satya> hmm... screenshot?
[12:57] <satya> the menu separators look fine here!
[12:57] <ochosi> i can only show you the screenshot tomorrow :/
[12:57] <ochosi> you can show me your screen though
[12:58] <ochosi> (i looked at abiword, but i assume that they use standard gtk3 menus)
[12:58] <bluesabre> abiword does look bad
[12:58] <bluesabre> they're fine everywhere else
[12:58] <ochosi> oh
[12:58] <ochosi> ok
[12:58] <satya> hmm...
[12:58]  * ochosi dislikes abiword
[12:59] <satya> I'll install abiwords tomorrow and have a look
[12:59] <ochosi> yeah, don't waste too much time on it though, it has a few theming oddities that are unsolveable
[12:59] <ochosi> so the menus might be their fault too
[12:59] <bluesabre> yup
[12:59] <ochosi> bluesabre: how do the tabs look?
[13:00] <ochosi> satya: i guess if it's only the tabs, there's no rush with the sass port ;)
[13:01] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/xo8ltwC
[13:01] <bluesabre> (also, parole libxfce4ui fixed itself, it seems)
[13:01] <satya> so, we need to redesign tabs
[13:01] <satya> brb in a min
[13:01] <satya> search for adwaita tabs
[13:02] <satya> and have a look at their design
[13:02] <ochosi> satya: actually what bluesabre posted looks ok
[13:02] <ochosi> so no need to redesign anything if you ask me
[13:02] <ochosi> i saw how they look in adwaita (blue stripe at the bottom for active tab)
[13:03] <bluesabre> ochosi: numix, for comparison https://imgur.com/4ylFVnj
[13:03] <ochosi> yeah, that's close to adwaita
[13:03] <ochosi> but i'm not sure we have to go there
[13:03] <ochosi> with greybird that is
[13:04] <ochosi> don't think there's a reasonable way to reproduce this look with gtk2
[13:04] <ochosi> (other than using tons of pixmaps probably)
[13:04] <bluesabre> I think Moka got their gtk2 tabs to look like that
[13:04] <ochosi> they did?
[13:05] <ochosi> hm, snwh isn't around
[13:05] <ochosi> but i could ask him i gues
[13:05] <ochosi> s
[13:05] <bluesabre> I think i remember seeing them when testing a few weeks ago
[13:05] <ochosi> i'm not sure though i even like that look 1005
[13:05] <ochosi> 100%
[13:06] <ochosi> i think ambiance had an interesting look for tabs in gtk3, at least in 14.04
[13:06] <satya> we don't need to have the blue highlight
[13:06] <satya> can you gimme a screenie of ambiance?
[13:07] <ochosi> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-2014-08-03-150652.php
[13:07] <ochosi> but they don't have a matching style for gtk2
[13:07] <ochosi> so that's also a bit sucky
[13:07] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/0B8P3OD
[13:07] <satya> ochosi, Gnome completely rewrote the tabs
[13:07] <bluesabre> Orchis ^
[13:08] <satya> we can always have a look at the code and see what snwh did
[13:08] <bluesabre> doesn't quite match their gtk3
[13:08] <satya> yeah, gtk2 is very limited
[13:09] <ochosi> yeah, but in xubuntu most of what we have is gtk2
[13:09] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/2rwXipU
[13:09] <ochosi> frankly, i don't mind the current look of greybird's tabs
[13:09] <satya> but the thing is, gtk redesigned and rewrote their tabs
[13:09] <satya> the issue with the current look is, it has a border at the top
[13:09] <ochosi> sure, but it looks ok (which is the main thing that matters to me atm)
[13:09] <ochosi> yeah, maybe we can make that border transparent
[13:10] <ochosi> then it'd be like before
[13:10] <satya> and with apps which have a toolbar above the tabs, there will be two borders
[13:10] <ochosi> so i guess that tab bar that spans the whole width is a separate widget that we can simply set to not have a border
[13:11] <satya> that border is from GtkBox widget
[13:11] <satya> and it's the parent of GtkNotebook
[13:12] <ochosi> that's also quite a new gtk3 feat then that boxes can have borders
[13:12] <ochosi> that used to be impossible (and one of the reasons for frames i think)
[13:12] <satya> no, wait
[13:12] <bluesabre> gedit https://imgur.com/kB8OZps
[13:12] <ochosi> that looks ok
[13:13] <ochosi> there might be a 2px line now, but that's really just a minor nuisance i'd say
[13:13] <bluesabre> v 3.10.4, might be different with actual 3.12
[13:13] <satya> bluesabre, that's a old version of gedit
[13:13] <bluesabre> yup
[13:13] <satya> not gtk3.12
[13:13] <ochosi> well depends on whatever they decide to ship in 14.10
[13:13] <bluesabre> ubuntu picks and chooses :)
[13:13]  * bluesabre tries to get latest
[13:13] <ochosi> yeah, and ubuntu-gnome has ppas :>
[13:13] <satya> the new gnome apps don't look good with current design IMO
[13:14] <satya> so, I would suggest to go with gnome's new tabs design, and change what we don't like
[13:15] <ochosi> i presume the tabs design is mostly about the code, right?
[13:15] <ochosi> i mean we can still draw borders for the active notebook tab
[13:15] <satya> which code?
[13:15] <ochosi> so the looks can remain mostly what they are
[13:16]  * satya is copying tabs code from numix
[13:16] <ochosi> or maybe i don't get what the difference really is (apart from the box that holds all tabs and the visual redesign of adwaita to only use those colored stripes for active tabs)
[13:18] <satya> the tabs now span the full width
[13:18] <ochosi> ah right
[13:18] <satya> so, the current design looks really ugly for those
[13:18] <ochosi> could you show me how greybird looks with those?
[13:19] <ochosi> iirc in gtk2 there is no way to really have different looks for active/inactive tabs (apart from the colors)
[13:20] <satya> wait
[13:20]  * ochosi waits
[13:21]  * bluesabre breaks vm
[13:22] <satya> http://imgur.com/DTiksXk
[13:23] <ochosi> this is with the current code?
[13:23] <satya> no, with the new one
[13:23] <ochosi> and how does it look with the current code?
[13:23] <bluesabre> screenshot coming
[13:23] <satya> wait
[13:23] <satya> ok
[13:25] <bluesabre> https://i.imgur.com/KxuleHi.png
[13:25] <ochosi> apart from the shadow around the close button, that's actually not really too bad
[13:25] <ochosi> so let's just fix that border around the close button and be done with it
[13:26] <satya> still, doesn't fit with the whole minimal design
[13:26] <satya> as you wish @ochosi
[13:26] <ochosi> i know, it looks like gtk2 and all, but remember, the main target desktop of greybird is xubuntu atm
[13:26] <satya> ok
[13:26] <ochosi> yeah, i agree with you there
[13:26] <ochosi> i just don't wanna end up with a visually highly inconsistent desktop for our users
[13:27] <ochosi> when xfce is ported to gtk3, we can go crazy cause gtk2 won't matter that much anymore...
[13:27] <bluesabre> gtk4 will be out then
[13:27] <ochosi> hehe, that's likely
[13:28] <ochosi> satya: for numix and orion it's up to you, but if orion isn't updated in general, even there i'd go with the minimal solution
[13:28] <ochosi> unless you want it to be used in more gnomey contexts
[13:29] <ochosi> (i'm mostly concerned that the default look, in our case greybird, is kinda consistent, if people switch themes, that's up to them then)
[13:29] <satya> ochosi, ok
[13:29] <satya> greybird is pushed
[13:29] <ochosi> would be awesome if we could fix the close button in a backward compatible way
[13:29] <ochosi> bluesabre: wanna test satya's push?
[13:30] <bluesabre> sure
[13:30] <satya> it shouldn't affect backward compatibility I guess
[13:30] <ochosi> yeah, looks fine in 14.04 / gtk3.10
[13:30] <ochosi> just a tiny border on hover
[13:30] <ochosi> but nothing drastic
[13:31] <bluesabre> gedit 3.12 looks good
[13:32] <bluesabre> parole looks fine (no difference there)
[13:32] <satya> ochosi, yeah, I think the tiny border should be there on hover
[13:33] <satya> I'll push some tweaks to popover
[13:33] <satya> be here to test
[13:33] <bluesabre> yeesh, gedit's menu is bad with everything in a single popup
[13:33] <bluesabre> (in general, not greybird)
[13:34] <satya> yeah, I agree
[13:34] <ochosi> what's the problem with it?
[13:35] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/hh66lGO
[13:35] <ochosi> satya: thanks for the notebook fixes then, it's also a nice benefit having the theme work with gtk3.8->gtk3.12 practically
[13:35] <ochosi> bluesabre: oh dear...
[13:35] <ochosi> that's a good example of those singular menus *not* working well
[13:36] <ochosi> the title color of the headerbar window title seems a bit too pronounced btw
[13:36] <ochosi> but since we don't even have those in ubuntu normally, i don't worry about that too much for the moment
[13:37]  * satya will tweak that
[13:37] <ochosi> so i guess we can releases for the themes today and then upload them to utopic
[13:37] <ochosi> bluesabre: now that you've split the themes into separate packages, should all themes still have releases at once?
[13:38] <bluesabre> they're all built from the same source package
[13:38] <ochosi> thanks satya! (actually it's both the title and its shadow that are too pronounced)
[13:38] <bluesabre> so they will all carry the same debian version number
[13:38] <ochosi> ah ok
[13:38] <ochosi> so better all at once thenn
[13:38] <bluesabre> yeah
[13:39] <ochosi> gotta cook some dinner, bbabl
[13:39] <bluesabre> seeya
[13:39]  * bluesabre has breakfast
[13:41] <satya> dudes, who will test?
[13:42] <satya> ochosi, the title and shadow are same as the greybird window decoration
[13:42] <satya> I reduced the shadow a bit
[13:42] <satya> but the titlebar text color is still the same
[13:42] <bluesabre> I'll check it out
[13:43] <bluesabre> "has breakfast" means "eats cereal in front of computer"
[13:44] <bluesabre> so, what changed?
[13:45] <satya> changing the popover to match the menu
[13:45] <satya> will push in a min
[13:46] <bluesabre> ok
[13:47] <bluesabre> https://imgur.com/7rH9a20
[13:47] <bluesabre> I think that might be what ochosi was referring to
[13:47] <satya> bluesabre, hmm... will check
[13:47] <satya> pushed the popover
[13:47] <satya> also check the menu separator
[13:47] <satya> brb
[13:48] <bluesabre> ok
[13:49] <bluesabre> abiword separator is the same
[13:50] <bluesabre> popover..?  which app?
[13:52] <satya> bluesabre, :(
[13:52] <satya> you can test popover in the gtk3-demo package
[13:53] <satya> bluesabre, can you give me screenshots of the greybird focused and non-focused window in xfce?
[13:53] <bluesabre> ok
[13:56] <bluesabre> parole preferences is the focused one https://i.imgur.com/BdfA8Bz.png
[13:56] <satya> thanks
[14:06] <bluesabre> popover is grey
[14:07] <bluesabre> also, thanks for this tool... I think I'll use it to bug you and ochosi more
[14:07] <bluesabre> :D
[14:12] <satya> bluesabre, which tool ?
[14:12] <bluesabre> gtk3-demo
[14:13] <satya> :D
[14:13] <satya> bluesabre, pushed fixes to all themes
[14:13] <satya> just need to fix the titlebar color in greybird and we are good to go
[14:14] <bluesabre> cool, thanks Satya!
[14:14] <satya> welcome :D\
[14:23] <satya> bluesabre, ochosi, everything pushed. we're ready to go
[14:24] <bluesabre> excellent.  We'll bug you again when we need something else ;)
[14:24] <bluesabre> Thanks a lot!
[14:24] <satya> sure :D
[14:25] <knome> well, albatross needs a gtk3-remake ;)
[14:25] <bluesabre> I think we're dropping that one for 14.10
[14:26] <knome> noooo
[14:26] <knome> you soulless monsters
[14:26] <bluesabre> I'll prepare the package in such a way that it's not pulled for new installs, but is carried with an upgrade
[14:26] <bluesabre> since I think I know how, now :)
[14:26] <knome> heh
[14:27] <satya164> btw ochosi, I think the unfocused title color is too light
[14:41] <ochosi> knome: i've actually mentioned that a few times in this channel already
[14:41] <ochosi> even pinged you once about it :)
[14:44] <ochosi> bluesabre: i guess i'll do releases of the themes tonight then
[14:44] <bluesabre> awesome
[14:44] <ochosi> have to ask satya whether a point release for numix is ok too
[14:45] <ochosi> oh, and if you look at the appmenu again and notice borked icons, that'd be great, cause then i'd fix those prior to the release
[14:45] <ochosi> i'd also push updates to the icons tonight then
[14:54] <bluesabre> ok, currently working on catfish, but will try to also do that
[15:01] <ochosi> no rush to do that *tonight* ;)
[15:02] <ochosi> but i wanna get the themes ready, so i can tick off one of the few blueprint workitems i got going ;)
[15:05] <knome> ochosi, i know, and i've replied to you, but apparently you don't read my replies either :)
[15:05] <ochosi> heh, dunno
[15:06] <ochosi> i really don't remember seeing a reply
[15:08] <ochosi> bluesabre: how hard would it be to get the greeter-settings app into the archive?
[15:08] <bluesabre> It's a new app, so we have to create the package, and have two MOTU approve it
[15:10] <ochosi> would going through debian be easier/better?
[15:10] <bluesabre> yes and no
[15:10] <bluesabre> ITP can take a while
[15:10] <bluesabre> and debian sync freeze in is in 5 days
[15:10] <bluesabre> we can try to do both though
[15:11] <ochosi> ok
[15:11] <ochosi> just noticed that we have that on our roadmap
[15:11] <ochosi> i mean it's not critical, we can always postpone it
[15:11] <bluesabre> (you put it there)
[15:11] <bluesabre> yeah, let's shoot for it
[15:11] <ochosi> but maybe we have more things to do next cycle
[15:11] <ochosi> hehe, i know i put it there :)
[15:14] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, the corresponding trello card is assigned to you ;)
[15:16] <ochosi> folks, as 14.04.1 has been released already, shouldn't we remove some of this from trello?
[15:16] <ochosi> we could keep a 14.04 SRU ToDo or so
[15:16] <ochosi> but the 14.04.1 Done cards are all somewhat irrelevant now
[15:17] <bluesabre> right
[15:17] <bluesabre> :)
[15:18] <knome> remove? what about keeping it for archival reasons?
[15:19] <ochosi> yeah, we can "archive this list"
[15:23] <ochosi> maybe we should do the same thing with the note
[15:23] <ochosi> s
[16:15] <ochosi> hey sergio-br2 
[16:15] <ochosi> just so you know, i'll do a release of the icons soonish
[16:15] <ochosi> well, at least i'll sync them to launchpad so we can do a release of xubuntu-artwork
[16:15] <ochosi> but i guess i'll also do a release on github, to keep those things a bit more in sync
[16:24] <ochosi> bluesabre: just tagged greybird https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird/releases
[16:24] <bluesabre> woot!
[16:24] <sergio-br2> hey
[16:25] <ochosi> also, Orion 1.5
[16:26] <ochosi> and Bluebird 1.2.
[16:26] <ochosi> satya will take care of Numix (after a few tweaks, he said)
[16:36] <bluesabre> ok
[16:38] <ochosi> asked him to ping you once he's done
[16:41] <bluesabre> alrighty
[16:41] <bluesabre> thanks ochosi
[16:44] <ochosi> np
[16:45] <ochosi> bluesabre: also, i talked matias up about the soundmenu design
[16:45] <ochosi> he might do it as a build option
[16:46] <bluesabre> kicking butt today
[16:46] <knome> bluesabre, does it hurt already?
[16:47] <ochosi> knome: i presume he's not kicking his own butt (hard to imagine how that would physically work anyway)
[16:47] <bluesabre> it can be done
[16:47] <bluesabre> ;)
[16:47] <knome> yep, doable.
[16:47] <knome> it's not too nice
[16:47] <ochosi> you're all contortionists
[16:48]  * ochosi shakes his head and walks away
[16:48] <knome> haha
[16:48] <knome> well, you should see how my finger bends...
[16:48] <ochosi> :]
[16:49] <knome> with some warming up, i can bend my left index finger 180 degrees so that there is very little space between the finger and the back of the hand..
[16:50] <bluesabre> gross
[16:50] <knome> :)
[16:50]  * bluesabre shakes his head and walks away
[16:50] <knome> haha :)
[16:51] <knome> if i bend my fingers one-handed (without pressing them), they bend ~90° back
[16:51] <knome> well, the tips face 90° ;)
[16:56] <bluesabre> dang
[16:56] <knome> http://botherer.org/2005/08/14/i-have-a-syndrome/
[16:56] <knome> something like that..
[16:58] <knome> i never knew it was a diagnosed syndrome
[16:58] <bluesabre> >.<
[16:59] <knome> "First, we know that hypermobility in itself is strongly inherited. This is called a ‘dominant’ pattern of inheritance."
[16:59] <knome> right, so that's where it's coming, i heard my grandfather was able to do that as well
[17:00]  * knome decides not to read further but live happily
[17:00] <knome> i read far enough to understand it's probably just okay.
[17:01] <bluesabre> :)
[17:10] <ochosi> bluesabre: refreshed our icon theme in xubuntu-artwork btw
[17:11] <bluesabre> ok
[17:11] <ochosi> so i guess for xubuntu-artwork we can do a release anytime
[17:11]  * bluesabre has some packaging to do today
[17:11] <ochosi> :)
[17:11] <bluesabre> :)
[17:11] <ochosi> well, whenever you have time, feel free to tag the release, the changelog is up to date
[17:12] <bluesabre> you can go ahead and tag it, I'll worry about putting it into xubuntu ;)
[17:12] <ochosi> oh, i'm actually running out now, i can do it when i'm back
[17:12] <ochosi> bbiab
[17:13] <bluesabre> ok
[17:15] <bluesabre> taking a break, bbabl
[18:28] <ochosi> bluesabre: i set up a new trunk for 14.10 now, actually Unit193 already tagged the release (i thought you should keep unreleased until someone actually uploads it, but anyway), not sure why he set the importance to medium. if that's a problem, i can change it. otherwise it's good to go
[20:10] <Unit193> ochosi: Right, normal to do so yeah.  Medium is default, I just used what's normal.
[20:54] <ochosi> Unit193: right, i don't care much. i was just sticking to the tradition of "low"
[21:26] <pleia2> Community Council check-in is on Thursday at 1700 utc, anyone able to go? (I'll be on an airplane again)
[21:34] <Unit193> As usual, I'll be unable to attend as well.
[21:38] <pleia2> oh, I have a team meeting to schedule
[21:39]  * pleia2 does july report
[23:36] <skellat> pleia2: Unless I am running errands, I may be available Thursday