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[09:00] <soee_> ig there is a kdeinit5 or something crash when wifi is connected/disconnected
[09:00] <soee_> is it plasma5 nug or NM ?
[09:01] <yofel> uhm, a backtrace would be nice... If drkonqi doesn't come up do you get something in /var/crash/ ?
[09:04] <soee_> thers a _usr_bin_kdeinit5.1000.crash but its empty
[09:05] <yofel> looks like the right file name though, bummer that it's empty :S
[09:07] <soee> hm it was now kded5
[09:08] <soee> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7950260/
[09:08] <yofel> brr, missing debug symbols. 
[09:09] <apachelogger> nah, that's lowlevel
[09:09] <apachelogger> possibly symbol lookup error
[09:09] <apachelogger> soee: what does .xsession-errors have to say?
[09:09] <yofel> could be. I've seen short crashes like that myself
[09:11] <soee> a short video with crash http://tinyurl.com/kolt5dq
[09:11] <soee> you can download it its mkv
[09:11] <soee> 2.2 mb
[09:11] <soee> apachelogger: one moment ill check
[09:13] <soee> what shouldi look for in .xsession-erros ? it ha sa lot of info
[09:14] <yofel> any symbol lookup errors in there?
[09:16] <apachelogger> search for drkonqi, before that you might see kded5 complaining about something
[09:16] <soee> apachelogger: do you mind if i just show you the file ?
[09:17] <apachelogger> no, might contain sensitive data though
[09:17]  * apachelogger has no clue what kind of stuff current plasma5 apps dump to stdout right now ;)
[09:18] <soee> Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:20] <apachelogger> that shouldn't cause a broken backtrace, then again it might
[09:21] <soee> some more entries http://paste.ubuntu.com/7950358/
[09:21] <apachelogger> KCrash: Attempting to start /usr/bin/kdeinit5 from kdeinit
[09:22] <apachelogger> :O
[09:22] <apachelogger> soee: what's the output for kded5?
[09:22] <soee> apachelogger: kded5 output is: Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:23] <apachelogger> soee: and then the drkonqi output starts?
[09:24] <soee> apachelogger: where exactly ? in .xsession-erros or terminal where i executed kded5 ?
[09:24] <apachelogger> oh you ran kded5 manually
[09:24] <apachelogger> the output should be on terminal then I guess
[09:25] <soee> thers just this one line Qt: Session management error: networkIdsList argument is NULL
[09:26] <soee> brb, i need to reboot
[09:29] <soee_> back
[09:35] <soee> kdeinit5 crash at first try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5Y1YKyUq8
[11:02] <soee> i have a small question @plasma5 an icons
[11:03] <Riddell> soee: que?
[11:03] <soee> on my desktop installation (2 days ago) if i open dolphin the Home and Root  directories in the locations panel use new home and root folder icons
[11:04] <soee> on my laptop where im also using plasam5 and all latest updates
[11:04] <soee> both links uses old folder icons
[11:04] <Riddell> probably no frameworkintegration installed?
[11:04] <Riddell> that caught me out
[11:04] <Riddell> also set it in systemsettings
[11:05] <soee> frameworkintegration installed
[11:05] <soee> all other folder icons are new
[11:05] <soee> except this and some other used in menus
[11:05] <soee> so i wonder if its some cache or .config issue
[11:07] <soee> other thing: system-settings crashes whn trying to open Multimedia section but this is random
[11:08] <Riddell> blame phonon for that :)
[11:09] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:10] <soee> Riddell: seen my info about kdeinit5 and kded crashes with wifi ?
[11:10] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[11:10] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[11:15] <apachelogger> Riddell: more like blame shitty packaging
[11:15] <apachelogger> it's that vlc bug I mentioned the other day
[11:16] <soee> apachelogger: so thi sis related to vlc phonon backend ?
[11:16] <apachelogger> google launchpad crash vlc phonon plugin cache
[11:16] <apachelogger> that will probably give you the relevant bug report :P
[11:18] <soee> ok than so thi sone is known and reported  :)
[11:28] <shadeslayer> yofel: Riddell debfx http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[11:29] <shadeslayer> parser still needs fixing
[11:29] <yofel> I'll do some CSS later
[11:30] <shadeslayer> thx :)
[11:30] <yofel> is that in some shared repo?
[11:30] <yofel> I don't remember where you put it
[11:30] <shadeslayer> no, it's in my junk repo
[11:30] <shadeslayer> lp:~rohangarg/+junk/ubuntu-patch-parser
[11:30] <yofel> thanks
[11:31] <debfx> teh unicodes are unhappy on that page ☹
[11:32] <yofel> true ^^
[11:36] <apachelogger> +usr/share/kservices5/kwin/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze.desktop
[11:36] <apachelogger>  usr/share/kwin
[11:36] <apachelogger> -usr/share/kservices5/kwin/kwin4_decoration_qml_breeze.desktop
[11:36] <apachelogger> always with the shit diffs
[11:36] <yofel> do it right in the first place and that won't happen
[11:37] <apachelogger> well see, I did not do it
[11:37] <apachelogger> so now I get to break history because someone forgot to run that rotten script
[11:37] <soee> hmm the option in wirless connection settings to automatically connect to network if available does not work
[11:37] <yofel> blame $person, I'm fixing that all the time as well
[11:38] <apachelogger> how does blaming do anything?
[11:39] <yofel> if you blame them and tell them they might do it right next time :P
[11:39] <apachelogger> to this date people don't run merges with -v
[11:40] <yofel> they really should though, even if I probably forgot to use that too a lot :(
[11:41] <apachelogger> that's why I say if you want wrapsort then it should be forced server side in some capacity
[11:42] <apachelogger> surely one could audit pushes like kde does with git
[11:42] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw, did you do plasma-desktop mergery on friday
[11:43] <soee> hmm /home/kubuntu - this direcotry is required ?
[11:45] <apachelogger> yofel: upstart patchy good to go
[11:46] <yofel> oh?
[11:46] <yofel> wohoo
[11:46] <yofel> apachelogger: can I just commit to both repositories with the same review #?
[11:47] <apachelogger> yofel: yep, please do
[12:00] <yofel> done, thanks for the help :)
[12:04] <yofel> soee: shouldn't...
[12:17] <soee> yofel: teh folder ?
[12:18] <yofel> the folder should only exist if you have a user named 'kubuntu' - which should only be the case if you added it
[12:19] <soee> no i did not 
[12:19] <yofel> then that shouldn't be there
[12:20] <soee> ok, thank you
[13:04] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[13:04] <sgclark> good morning
[13:05] <sgclark> Riddell: so like umm it seems I don't recall my password for qa.kubuntu.co.uk if you could reset it please
[13:06] <Riddell> sgclark: for sudo?
[13:07] <sgclark> yeah
[13:07] <Riddell> voila
[13:08] <apachelogger> soee: regarding icons ... you'll probably need to run the theme convergence bugger again, packaging was kaput preventing it from doing its magic
[13:08] <apachelogger> soee: `dpkg -S kde4breeze` will tell you where it lives
[13:08] <apachelogger> simply run it and the configs should be updated
[13:09] <soee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951747/
[13:10] <apachelogger> second one
[13:11] <soee> do i need logout or reboot now ?
[13:11] <apachelogger> logout probably
[13:14] <soee> :) plasmashell did not start after logout, had to do it manually
[13:15] <soee> hmm and panel does not responds
[13:16] <apachelogger> that seems profoundly unrelated
[13:17] <apachelogger> soee: sudo gdb -p `pidof plasmashell` -> wait wait wait wait until a prompt appears -> type 'bt' -> post output -> hit ctrl+d to get out of the prompt again
[13:17] <soee> icons did not change http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/dolphin.png
[13:17] <soee> also font settings changed a bit
[13:20] <soee> apachelogger: this http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951874/ ?
[13:20] <apachelogger> hm
[13:20] <apachelogger> should be responding
[13:20] <apachelogger> or did it start to respond again?
[13:21] <apachelogger> soee: please paste ~/.kde/share/apps/kfileplaces/bookmarks.xml
[13:21] <soee> apachelogger: ok i qit teh debuggin and plasma respons now
[13:21] <soee> *quit
[13:24] <soee> apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/x69v2kNn
[13:24] <apachelogger> really weird
[13:24] <apachelogger> soee: cat ~/.kde/share/config/kdeglobals
[13:24] <apachelogger> well, paste that xD
[13:25] <soee> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951904/
[13:26] <apachelogger> soee: please check that the dolphin version is 4.13 or something like that
[13:26] <apachelogger> soee: in the menubar control->help->about
[13:26] <soee> apachelogger: yeah, 4.13.95
[13:27] <apachelogger> mh
[13:27] <apachelogger> it still makes no sense xD
[13:27] <soee> :|
[13:27] <apachelogger> ab
[13:27] <apachelogger> ah
[13:27] <apachelogger> I found it
[13:27] <apachelogger> soee: right click the side bar -> icon size :P
[13:28] <apachelogger> if it's not the lowest size then the different version of the icon is used ^^
[13:28] <soee> apachelogger: the thing is i configured both my laptop and desktop to use 32x32
[13:29] <soee> and desktop uses new folder icons for all entries
[13:29] <apachelogger> I can't reproduce that
[13:29] <apachelogger> or, it's possible that this is actually dependent on DPI (as so many things are these days)
[13:30] <soee> one moment i boot my PC and check one thing
[13:32] <apachelogger> hm
[13:33] <apachelogger> soee: right so, these are different icons one is specifically for small resolutions, for some reason kiconloader in kde4 doesn't always pick the same icon though
[13:34] <apachelogger> I can also reproduce that with a laptop I get the minimalistic version at 16x16 but on the desktop I always get the big version regardless of the icon size configured
[13:34] <apachelogger> could also be a caching problem though
[13:35] <soee> both my laptop and PC uses same sizes 32x32 and runnign in 1920x1080 resolution and dpi is not changed
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: it's a cash problem
[13:35] <apachelogger> *cache
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: rm ~.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache
[13:35] <apachelogger> soee: rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache
[13:35] <apachelogger> it's a bit weird though
[13:35] <soee> apachelogger: PC dolphin icons in sidebar http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/snapshot1.png
[13:36] <apachelogger> soee: wipe your cache on both systems
[13:36] <apachelogger> then start dolphin
[13:36]  * Riddell spots http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html
[13:36] <apachelogger> if the divergence persists report a bug against dolphin
[13:37] <soee> apachelogger: ok it was chache, the rm ~/.kde/cache-*/icon-cache.kcache worked
[13:37] <soee> *cache
[13:37] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw does the kde-gtk-config package get pulled in?
[13:37] <shadeslayer> on plasma 5
[13:37] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: should be unless you guys removed the kde4 bits form the seed
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^^
[13:37] <apachelogger> just check your manifest :P
[13:37] <shadeslayer> well ,the one from cdimages doesn't have it
[13:37] <apachelogger> if it is on the iso now the new version is pulled in in a respin 
[13:38] <shadeslayer> kde-config-gtk-style	3:2.2.1-1fakesync1
[13:38] <apachelogger> right
[13:38] <soee> one more question, wouldn't this be easier if all cache is put inot .cache ?
[13:38] <apachelogger> so next spin will have frameworks version
[13:38] <shadeslayer> so, will be pulled in then
[13:38] <shadeslayer> alright
[13:38] <soee> than we can clear one dir and voila
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: I have to do a image build via orchrestration
[13:39] <apachelogger> soee: .cache didn't exists when .kde/cache-* was invented
[13:39] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: do you want to move your changes into the regular PPA?
[13:39] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what changes?
[13:39] <shadeslayer> anything that is still in staging
[13:39] <soee> apachelogger: ok thanks for info
[13:39] <shadeslayer> and needs moving to regular PPA
[13:40] <shadeslayer> if not, ok, I'll kick off the image build
[13:40] <apachelogger> Riddell, sgclark: btw, when moving frameworks out of staging, please be careful there is a bunch of stuff in staging that isn't frameworks and that shouldn't go to next yet
[13:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: only broken thing are in staging
[13:40] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok
[13:40] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: even breeze?
[13:40] <apachelogger> nah that just needs a test
[13:40] <shadeslayer> mind doing that? so that we can land it on the ISO
[13:41]  * apachelogger thinks we should backport kde4breeze changes
[13:41] <apachelogger> there's a Breeze.colors in my home
[13:41] <apachelogger> which suggests that something didn't mkpath
[13:42] <shadeslayer> yep, I saw that too
[13:42] <shadeslayer> needs investigation it does
[13:43] <apachelogger> first forward patch I say
[13:43] <soee> ah would be cool if all apps some day could have unified, modern look http://wstaw.org/m/2014/08/04/Music_Mockup1b.png :)
[13:43] <apachelogger> not worth investigating considering notmart made fixery already
[13:43] <apachelogger> soee: that's the new dolphin xD
[13:44] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[13:44] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: anyway
[13:44] <shadeslayer> spinning ISO now
[13:44] <yofel> dragon built into dolphin o.O?
[13:44] <yofel> looks cool though
[13:44] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: breeze not populated yet I think
[13:45] <shadeslayer> oh
[13:45] <apachelogger> published
[13:45] <apachelogger> or whatever
[13:45]  * shadeslayer taps fingers
[13:45] <shadeslayer> is it there yet?
[13:45] <apachelogger> I dunno
[13:45] <apachelogger> look yourself
[13:45] <apachelogger> I am playing pong right now
[13:46] <yofel> alskjdjlkjfskfdsds
[13:46] <yofel> I'm bored
[13:46] <soee> apachelogger: dolphin ? :)
[13:48] <soee> 4.13.97 will be packaged or only final ?
[13:48] <sgclark> umm it was packaged
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: fixeroo KF5
[13:50] <shadeslayer> symbols and shit 
[13:50] <shadeslayer> yofel: write pretty CSS
[13:50] <shadeslayer> for dep 3 parser
[13:54] <soee> sgclark: but not moved to utopic right ?
[13:55] <sgclark> Riddell: ^ 4.13.97
[13:56] <Riddell> 4.13.97 should be in utopic-proposed but I've been doing beurocracy today and not had a chance to check
[13:56] <shadeslayer> uf
[13:56] <shadeslayer> LP is slow with publishing stuff
[13:57] <shadeslayer> kubuntuBot: imager build
[14:03] <yofel> hm, why do I get the feeling you just want me to do your work? :D
[14:03] <yofel> I'm doing CSS for you, fixing your packaging, fixing your upstream bugs, ...
[14:05]  * Riddell spots http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-plasma5/daily-live/20140803/
[14:05] <Riddell> anyone tested this? ↑
[14:05] <yofel> :O
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: YES
[14:05] <shadeslayer> erm
[14:05] <shadeslayer> yes
[14:05] <shadeslayer> Riddell: needs fixs
[14:06] <shadeslayer> I've asked CJ to upload a casper fix
[14:06] <Riddell> what sort?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> SDDM ones
[14:06] <shadeslayer> autologging magic
[14:06] <shadeslayer> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7951962/
[14:06] <Riddell> ok, but good enough to kill download.kubuntu.co.uk for now?
[14:06] <shadeslayer> no
[14:07] <shadeslayer> probably another day or two
[14:07] <Riddell> gotcha
[14:13] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do you want to handle dirs inside debian/patches
[14:13] <shadeslayer> for the patch parser
[14:15] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: .glob('**/**')
[14:15] <apachelogger> that's Dir.glob
[14:17] <shadeslayer> patches = Dir.glob["./patches/**/**"]  ?
[14:17] <Riddell> tsdgeos: do you know of any announcement or changelog for libkscreen?
[14:17] <tsdgeos> Riddell: git has the 4 changes it contains
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ^^
[14:17] <tsdgeos> one could say "not crash"
[14:19] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: looks about right
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: nope http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952252/
[14:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: with http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952253/
[14:21] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need a Dir instance I think :P
[14:21] <apachelogger> ruby has rather lovely docs you know
[14:22] <apachelogger> http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Dir.html#method-c-glob
[14:22] <apachelogger> interesting that error
[14:22] <apachelogger> ah
[14:22] <apachelogger> lol
[14:22] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: it's a function :P
[14:22] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:22] <apachelogger> () not []
[14:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952318/
[14:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: still fails, because it tries to parse patches/debian
[14:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: patches/debian what?
[14:32] <yofel> you have a debian/patches/debian/ or what?
[14:32] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7952339/
[14:32] <shadeslayer> yofel: yes
[14:32] <shadeslayer> qtscriptgenerator has it
[14:32] <yofel> just catch EISDIR?
[14:32] <apachelogger> well
[14:32] <shadeslayer> see diff
[14:32] <shadeslayer> it shouldn't be parsing it
[14:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: move that file.isdir check to the top
[14:33]  * yofel sees ruby and runs
[14:33] <apachelogger> and use the patch var rather than patchname, because obviously patchname doesn't represent a valid path
[14:33] <shadeslayer> patch represents full path
[14:34] <apachelogger> patchname represents name of thing
[14:34] <shadeslayer> patchname represents name
[14:34] <apachelogger> so you are dong file.isdir(debian)
[14:34] <apachelogger> says no, because debian doesn't exist
[14:34] <apachelogger> ...
[14:34] <shadeslayer> aha
[14:34] <shadeslayer> got it
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yeah thx
[14:34] <shadeslayer> stupid me
[14:34] <apachelogger> and the check needs to go up mind you
[14:34] <apachelogger> if it's a dir you need not do the string manipulation at all
[14:34] <shadeslayer> yep done
[14:35] <shadeslayer> pushed
[14:35] <shadeslayer> yofel: I actually like ruby more than python tbh
[14:35]  * yofel tries to write support scritps in default languages
[14:35] <yofel> I can write a CSS generator for your script in PHP if you want :D
[14:36] <shadeslayer> @_@
[14:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: btw your author access is bogus
[14:40] <shadeslayer> how so?
[14:41] <shadeslayer> it werks
[14:41] <apachelogger> no it doesn't
[14:41] <apachelogger> it contains John Doe <jdoe@mail.com>
[14:41] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[14:41] <apachelogger> will only show name not mail because not legit
[14:41] <apachelogger> https://rubygems.org/gems/htmlentities
[14:42] <shadeslayer> what magic is this
[14:42] <apachelogger> can encode your string to entities
[14:42] <apachelogger> e.g. &amp; instead of & etc.
[14:44] <Riddell> shadeslayer: "The first 1,000 object invalidations you request per month are free; you pay for each object invalidation over 1,000 in a month"
[14:44] <Riddell> ddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd
[14:44] <shadeslayer> should be fine then
[14:44] <apachelogger> oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
[14:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: did you land plasma-desktop merge?
[14:46] <shadeslayer> no
[14:46] <shadeslayer> I did not
[14:46] <apachelogger> hm
[14:46] <apachelogger> https://code.launchpad.net/~panfaust/kubuntu-packaging-next/plasma-desktop-work2/+merge/229082
[14:46] <apachelogger> you know
[14:46] <shadeslayer> the one that santa_ sent right
[14:47] <apachelogger> I think that needs a replaces
[14:47] <shadeslayer> yes, I haven't checked
[14:47] <Riddell> yay, "Just to let you know that your applications to Community Donations for the following have been approved. "
[14:47] <apachelogger> how do I make lunchpad show more context
[14:47] <apachelogger> oh, I should apply for that I guess
[14:50] <Riddell> tsdgeos: "set(libkscreen_VERSION_RELEASE 4)" version number not updated, who do I report that to? afiestas?
[14:50] <tsdgeos> Riddell: yes
[14:59] <shadeslayer> mh
[14:59] <shadeslayer> might be useful to make kubuntu-update-symbols also work on PPA's
[15:00] <Riddell> what is kubuntu-update-symbols ?
[15:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: magic script to update symbols for packages
[15:00] <shadeslayer> but only works via archive
[15:02] <Riddell> for new symbols presumably not removed symbols?
[15:03] <yofel> it runs batchpatch internally
[15:05] <Riddell> hmm it should error out if there's missing symbols, dunno if batchpatch does that
[15:06] <Riddell> you don't want to do a mass update and remove symbols, that defeats the point of symbols files
[15:06] <yofel> it runs batchpatch, so you get the output of batchpatch, which shows you whether there's MISSING stuff
[15:06] <yofel> no idea if that has a special exit status
[15:07] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:07] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1352397 for your ~ubuntu-sru powers   ↓ tsdgeos 
[15:07] <yofel> dangit, I need to upload 4.13.3 to propsed later. I got distracted by stupid upower and powerdevil
[15:07] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you upload it to utopic already?
[15:07] <Riddell> ScottK: yep
[15:08] <ScottK> OK.
[15:08] <Riddell> oh thanks yofel, vishesh was hassling about that again
[15:12] <Riddell> tsdgeos: the krfb security issue has a CVE CVE-2014-4607 which ubuntu says is for lzo2 http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/2014/CVE-2014-4607.html
[15:12] <Riddell> do you know if they're related?
[15:13] <Riddell> oh I see "krfb embeds libvncserver which embeds liblzo2"
[15:13] <shadeslayer> ^^
[15:13] <Riddell> so yes same issue, copied code
[15:13] <tsdgeos> Riddell: it is the same one yes
[15:15] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you try those symbols changes on trusty?  With a different default gcc between trusty and utopic, I've no confidence they'll be the same.
[15:17] <Riddell> ScottK: I did compile on trusty without problems
[15:17] <ScottK> Thanks.
[15:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Accepted, but please add test case, etc to the bug.
[15:20] <Riddell> ScottK: I did I did!
[15:20] <ScottK> OK.
[15:24]  * seaLne has just finished installing trusty on a http://elinux.org/Minnowboard:MinnowMax
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh
[15:25] <shadeslayer> seaLne: how is that board
[15:26] <seaLne> not had time for a proper play with it yet
[15:27] <shadeslayer> omg everything is so slow
[15:31] <Riddell> seaLne: ooh nice, 64 bit arm board
[15:32] <Riddell> we'll be coming to you next time we get a compile failure in arm64 then :)
[15:32] <shadeslayer> not ARM actually
[15:32] <Riddell> oh?
[15:32] <shadeslayer> it's i386
[15:32] <shadeslayer>  64-bit Intel® Atom™ E38xx Series SoC 
[15:32] <Riddell> ah didn't read it right
[15:32] <shadeslayer> or well, x86_64
[15:33] <Riddell> lpia as we used to call it in ubuntu-land
[15:33] <shadeslayer> yep
[15:33] <shadeslayer> seaLne: I was thinking of getting one
[15:33] <ScottK> Riddell: No, lpia was 32bit.
[15:34] <shadeslayer> but meh
[15:34] <shadeslayer> can't think of a use case
[15:34] <seaLne> it has pcie
[15:34] <seaLne> will be used at akademy for video recording
[15:34] <shadeslayer> could run a owncloud server
[15:35] <shadeslayer> seaLne: :D
[15:35] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm yes but it was branded Atom when it came out right?
[15:35] <ScottK> Yes.
[15:35] <shadeslayer> seaLne: would be nice to stream it online this time around
[15:35] <shadeslayer> over hangouts maybe
[15:36] <ScottK> You can run even the original 32 bit Atom, LPIA stuff with regular IA32 code.  Our LPIA arch was supposed to give better power management.
[15:36] <ScottK> Don't think it actually made a significant difference.
[15:40] <seaLne> streaming tends to be more effort, i think having the videos available asap is more useful
[15:44] <shadeslayer> I imagine if you're using Google's infra to do it over youtube, it isn't
[15:44] <shadeslayer> argh
[15:44] <shadeslayer> cursor shit is still broken
[15:45] <shadeslayer> whai
[15:45] <apachelogger> I doled u
[15:45] <apachelogger> also
[15:45] <apachelogger> I think it doesn't alternative a cursor theme
[15:45] <apachelogger> which actually might be related
[15:46] <apachelogger> I am not sure how that worked but in kdm times we definitely got the default cursor to be oxygen through the alternative system without having to configure anything anywhere
[15:47] <shadeslayer> plasma-workspace was never migrated
[15:47] <shadeslayer> that's why
[15:48] <shadeslayer> fixed now
[15:48] <shadeslayer> OMG IT IS SO HOT AND THE INTERNET IS SO SLOW
[15:49] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: but complaining about me not migrating breeze on the same day
[15:49]  * apachelogger throws keyboard
[15:49]  * shadeslayer ducks
[15:49] <apachelogger> *YAWN*
[15:59] <Riddell> yofel: I just uploaded krfb to kubuntu-ppa/ppa for the security fix (just FYI)
[16:03] <shadeslayer> the internet
[16:03] <shadeslayer> oh god the internet
[16:03] <shadeslayer> so slow
[16:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: awfully slow internet is a bad sign
[16:06] <shadeslayer> 2 KBps
[16:06] <shadeslayer> srsly, what's wrong
[16:08] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you should have gotten up early and watched latest episode of the strain and you'd know
[16:08] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:09] <apachelogger> does anyone know why certain mimetype icons are kaputsies in plasma5?
[16:13] <Riddell> "What commands should I run in order to properly install non-free wireless drivers for Dell wireless 1450 adapter for desktop?" facebook query du jour
[16:13] <Riddell> Mamarok: think I should point that sort of query at the forums?↑
[16:20] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7953138/
[16:20] <shadeslayer> does that look right
[16:21] <apachelogger> never used
[16:21] <apachelogger> looks close enough to what I expected though :P
[16:22] <apachelogger> that line there is getting awfully long :P
[16:22] <shadeslayer> true
[16:22] <shadeslayer> I'm thinking of threading this btw
[16:23] <shadeslayer> so that branch/parse happens simultaneously, but not sure how to block threads so that they can only append to the file one at a time
[16:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: polkit-qt-1 all failed?
[16:32] <shadeslayer> yes
[16:32] <shadeslayer> I told apachelogger that on Friday
[16:33] <soee> one more issue/question @ new icons:
[16:33] <Riddell> "error: 'QStringLiteral' was not declared in this scope" hmm maybe we use a stricter gcc than whoever wrote that
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181331529/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-amd64.polkit-qt-1_0.112.0-0ubuntu2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[16:33] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: y u no fix
[16:33] <shadeslayer> soee: wrong channel btw
[16:33] <shadeslayer> you probably want #plasma
[16:33] <soee> :)
[16:33] <shadeslayer> since we don't really work on icons
[16:37] <apachelogger> oeh
[16:37] <apachelogger> oh
[16:37] <apachelogger> huh
[16:37] <apachelogger> Oo
[16:38] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you did not tell me :P
[16:39] <shadeslayer> I did
[16:39] <apachelogger> why did I put the patch in there?
[16:39] <apachelogger> I didn't what
[16:39] <apachelogger> what the hell is going on here
[16:40] <apachelogger> oh jebus
[16:40] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: u upload wrong polkit
[16:40] <shadeslayer> I wot
[16:40] <apachelogger> there's polikitty-qt and there is polikitty-qt5
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ...
[16:44] <apachelogger> if ye don't do it yerself
[16:44] <apachelogger> always the same with you kids
[16:44] <apachelogger> all fixered up
[16:44] <shadeslayer> cool
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: is the apol not in the office the today?
[16:46] <shadeslayer> he is
[16:46] <shadeslayer> why
[16:46] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: because he needs to fix gtk tarball
[16:46] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:46] <apachelogger> was rolled with releaseme master branch thus has l10n cmake stuff that won't work with frameworks
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ok
[16:47] <shadeslayer> send a email I guess
[16:47] <shadeslayer> would be faster
[16:47] <apachelogger> you could just tell him? :P
[17:00] <ScottK> apachelogger: It's probably too hot to move.
[17:05] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: apol says that it'll be fixed when the RC releases
[17:10] <apachelogger> pft
[17:10] <apachelogger> oy
[17:10] <apachelogger> that python thing here is one ugly beast
[17:20] <Mamarok> Riddell: yes, I don't think Facebook is the right place to ask such a question :)
[17:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: ping
[17:28] <shadeslayer> xnox: brokenness http://i.imgur.com/nBDZWgo.png
[17:31] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, try maunal
[17:31] <BluesKaj> err manual
[17:31] <shadeslayer> doesn't make it less broken
[17:31] <shadeslayer> might be a workaround, sure
[17:32] <shadeslayer> but it's broken
[17:32] <BluesKaj> weird error
[17:38] <shadeslayer> voila http://people.ubuntu.com/~rohangarg/ubuntu-patch-status.html
[18:54] <yofel> ScottK: 4.13.3 is in the trusty-proposed queue for your attention when you have time. Requires kubuntu-meta 1.308.2 which is also in the queue so baloo isn't removed
[18:55] <ScottK> OK.  Let's make sure we do that first.
[18:57] <ScottK> yofel: meta rejected.
[18:57] <ScottK> diff -Nru kubuntu-meta-1.308.1/debootstrap-version kubuntu-meta-1.308.2/debootstrap-version
[18:57] <ScottK> --- kubuntu-meta-1.308.1/debootstrap-version	2014-04-28 13:16:40.000000000 +0000
[18:57] <ScottK> +++ kubuntu-meta-1.308.2/debootstrap-version	2014-08-04 17:54:22.000000000 +0000
[18:57] <ScottK> @@ -1 +1 @@
[18:57] <ScottK> -1.0.59
[18:57] <ScottK> +1.0.60tanglu1
[18:57] <yofel> *SIGH*
[18:57] <yofel> fixing
[18:57] <ScottK> Please use Ubuntu packages to build stuff.
[18:57] <yofel> I didn't expect that... sorry
[18:58] <ScottK> Also tanglu should be able to get their changes into the Debian debootstrap so it doesn't have to be a problem.
[19:01] <yofel> ScottK: next try
[19:01] <ScottK> Waiting for the diff.
[19:04] <ScottK> yofel: 1.308.2 already used in utopic.  Try making the version 1.308.1.1 and reuploading.
[19:05] <yofel> okay o.O
[19:06] <yofel> 1.1 up
[19:08] <ScottK> yofel: That did it.  Thanks.
[19:08] <yofel> \o/
[19:10] <ScottK> Once that's built, I'll accept kde4libs.
[20:11] <soee__> oh qupzilla uses duckduckgo by default ;)
[20:59] <hyper_ch> why was baloo re-added as dependency to kde?
[20:59] <apachelogger> version?
[20:59] <apachelogger> bad backport maybe
[20:59] <apachelogger> yofel: kind sir, what do you know if this?
[21:00] <lordievader> Err, me saying that it was pulled in as a dependency was just a guess...
[21:00] <hyper_ch> apachelogger: a few days ago it was finally removed... now it's back as dependancy :(
[21:00] <apachelogger> guesses don't count
[21:00] <apachelogger> also pix or it didn't happen
[21:00] <hyper_ch> it's again a dependency to kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-full, gwenview, dolphin, knotes and a few other things
[21:00] <lordievader> apachelogger: I figured hyper_ch would check it, I don't even know what package holds baloo ;)
[21:02] <apachelogger> as compensation for the inconvenience I'll offer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_sfnQDr1-o
[21:02] <hyper_ch> I prefer kitten :(
[21:02] <hyper_ch> or baby seals
[21:02] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: apt-cache show gwenview
[21:03] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: apt-cache show libbaloofiles4
[21:03] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955320/
[21:03] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955323/
[21:04] <apachelogger> doesn't look like a dependency to me
[21:04] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: what's the exact list of things that would be removed if you remove baloo?
[21:05] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get purge baloo -s
[21:05] <hyper_ch> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7955333/
[21:05] <hyper_ch> apachelogger: it is already removed
[21:05] <hyper_ch> a few days ago I was finally able to remove it
[21:05] <apachelogger> install gwenview then :P
[21:05] <hyper_ch> now it wants to be readed
[21:05] <apachelogger> it's entirely possible that there was a temporary bad dep again, it certainly is gone now
[21:06] <hyper_ch> http://paste.debian.net/113688/
[21:06] <hyper_ch> but why even make it a dependency?
[21:07] <apachelogger> I have no clue
[21:07] <apachelogger> out of the upgraded packages kubuntu-desktop could pull it in
[21:07] <apachelogger> that is to say I find it perfectly reasonable that a system without baloo would not be a kubuntu-desktop anymore
[21:07] <hyper_ch> why?
[21:08] <apachelogger> because it's part of the experience package, if you remove it you don't get a kubuntu-desktop experience anymore
[21:08] <hyper_ch> I think I have a perfect kubuntu-desktop even without baloo
[21:09] <ScottK> Also, it's recommends, so you can remove it without removing kubuntu-desktop
[21:09] <apachelogger> it is
[21:09] <hyper_ch> ScottK: then why does it want to install now on dist-upgrade?
[21:09] <apachelogger> I am just saying, it should probably be a depends 
[21:09] <ScottK> The fact that it dropped completely was a bug.
[21:10] <hyper_ch> if it can be removed, and it is already removed, then it shouldn't be required to install on upgrade
[21:10] <ScottK> hyper_ch: Because you're updating the metapackage.
[21:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: but would that pull in a recommends?
[21:10] <apachelogger> oh it probably would if the recommends was not in the previous version
[21:10] <ScottK> I think that's it.
[21:11] <apachelogger> if I could find that option for apt again
[21:11] <hyper_ch> apt-get by default shouldn't install recommends
[21:12] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade -s
[21:12] <apachelogger> hyper_ch: yes it should
[21:12] <apachelogger> suggests it shouldn't
[21:14] <ScottK> hyper_ch: Go read the definition of Recommends in the policy.  It definitely should be default.  You can disable it yourself if you don't like it.
[21:14] <hyper_ch> you're right
[21:14] <hyper_ch> confused recommends and suggests
[21:14] <apachelogger> so what's that command saying?
[21:14] <hyper_ch> apt-get --no-recommends dist-upgrade   works fine
[21:14] <apachelogger> sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true dist-upgrade -s
[21:15] <hyper_ch> apt-get --no-install-recommends dist-upgrade   works fine
[21:15] <apachelogger> well support for that you could have gotten in #kubuntu :P
[21:15] <hyper_ch> I was told to get in here
[21:16] <hyper_ch> and sometimes I do what strangers tell me on the internet
[21:16] <apachelogger> you really shouldn't http://i.imgur.com/aKLYCAl.png
[21:17] <shadeslayer> :D
[21:17] <hyper_ch> give it back!!! all 3 dollars
[21:18] <hyper_ch> nighty night
[21:18] <apachelogger> I do wonder though, if one clicks ok, does that indicate an agreement and thus make it legal
[21:56]  * yofel wonders when vishesh will pop up complaining that we made baloo required again...
[22:00] <apachelogger> but we didn't :(
[22:58] <soee__>  whwre should i create .bashrc file to be able to use it?
[22:58] <soee__> in my home dir ?
[22:59] <apachelogger> yes
[23:01] <soee__> do i also need to logout/login so the changes are applied ?
[23:01] <soee__> im talking about this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12399002/how-to-configure-git-bash-command-line-completion
[23:02] <apachelogger> you'll need to restart the terminal
[23:02] <apachelogger> or you could do source ~/.bashrc 
[23:02] <apachelogger> that will simply reload it in the running terminal
[23:02] <soee__> nice, thank you
[23:06] <soee__> hmm thers now /etc/bash_completion.d/git
[23:07] <ScottK> So, when the wiki got moved, where did the dependency diagrams go?
[23:08] <apachelogger> on vacation in italy
[23:09] <apachelogger> ScottK: it's possible that I did not actually move it
[23:09] <ScottK> Sigh.
[23:09] <ScottK> Could we get that back?
[23:10] <apachelogger> well
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: where was it in the old wiki?
[23:10] <ScottK> It was in the Ninjas directory
[23:10] <ScottK> Kubuntu/Ninjas/I don't remember
[23:10] <apachelogger> ScottK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kubuntu/Ninjas/DependencyGraph
[23:11] <apachelogger> still where it used to be
[23:11] <ScottK> thanks.
[23:11] <apachelogger> we might have decided to not move it because it becomes largely irrelevant and blown out of proportion with plasma5
[23:11] <apachelogger> impossible to maintain manually at any rate
[23:16]  * ScottK heaves it all into the archive and waits to see what lands upside down.
[23:56] <ScottK> Sigh.
[23:56] <ScottK> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/181339835/buildlog_ubuntu-utopic-i386.artikulate_4%3A4.13.97-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz