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ScottKsgclark: Could you have a look at your 4.13.97 artikulate upload (build log link above) and see about getting it fixed?01:13
sgclarkScottK: artikulate waiting on new qt-gstreamer (waiting on kamoso etc) as per notes in ninjas pad01:15
ScottKsgclark: Which pad?01:17
ScottK(link please)01:17
sgclarkScottK: https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas01:17
ScottKThanks.01:17
sgclarknp01:17
ScottKRiddell: There's quite a number of things blocking 4.13.97 from migrating to release.  I got tired and have given up for tonight.01:19
=== jackyalcine is now known as jacky
soeewrr, how can i kill app ? 07:48
yofelCtrl+Esc, right click -> send signal-> TERM ?07:49
yofelor KILL07:49
soeethunderbird freezed, if i try to kill it from kSysGuarg thank KSysGuard quites without any error, if i do kill XXX it does nothing 07:49
soee*than07:50
yofelkill -9 maybe?07:50
soeeha! that one worked :D07:50
soeethank you yofel07:50
soeeit is something like terminate?07:50
yofelno, terminate is SIGTERM (15), 9 is SIGKILL which is like shotgun with a bomb07:53
soee;o07:54
soeebtw does the KSysGuarg should behave like this (quits when such clicked to kill a freezed process) ? The thunderbird was started from terminal, than ctrl + x and it freezes07:57
apacheloggeryofel, soee: for guis one can also use xkill via ctrl-alt-esc08:30
apacheloggeralso ksysguard stuff in plasma5 is busted due to incorrect packaging08:30
soeehaha ctrl-alt-esc = red scull to kill them all :D08:31
apacheloggerbe careful where you point it tho :P08:31
Riddellthis new compiler seems more trouble than it's worth08:33
yofelreally?08:35
apacheloggerRiddell: I am reasonable certain that is the case for every compiler ever ;)08:35
Riddellyofel: not really I'm just grumbling08:38
yofelah, join the club08:38
yofelthe symbol changes make it rather hard to see whether kf5 5.1 really kept ABI intact :S08:38
soeeRiddell: how about 4.13.97 release for utopic ?08:39
soeealso when drivers manager will be released for plasma5?08:46
apacheloggerwhen kauth isn't broken which should be the case today08:51
Riddellsoee: it's in proposed, needs fixes I'm looking at now, any help appreciated08:51
lordievaderRiddell: If you are talking about GCC, Linus also had his complaints ;)08:51
Riddellapachelogger: really?  kauth unbroken? how? this would be most unexpected08:51
apacheloggeror not because shadeslayer didn't upload that one :P08:51
apacheloggerRiddell: apachelogger fixed it08:51
apacheloggerall the workspace packages that need polkit seem to have incorrect packaging though08:51
Riddelllordievader: oh yes, good to know I'm on the side of the flamer08:53
lordievaderRiddell: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/14/07/27/1838219/linus-torvalds-gcc-490-seems-to-be-terminally-broken08:56
Riddell:)08:56
apacheloggermh08:57
apacheloggerRiddell: I have a problem in the upgrader when loading either pyqt5 or pyqt4 .... pyqt5 in trusty is le broken and won't work and I am not sure how to prevent loading the broken thing08:57
Riddellapachelogger: sounds like it needs an exception for trusty08:59
Riddellif ubuntuVersion == trusty: import pyqt408:59
apacheloggerthat seems nasty08:59
Riddellbroken pyqt5 in trusty is nasty08:59
apacheloggerplus I am not even sure how to reliably get that ^^08:59
Riddellpython3-distro-info09:00
Riddell?09:00
apacheloggerfrom . import distinfo09:01
apacheloggerthe upgrader is such an ugly pile of files09:02
apacheloggerthat's actually from apt apparently 09:03
* apachelogger sighs09:03
yofellordievader: fun read, thanks for the link ^^09:06
lordievaderyofel: ;)09:07
apacheloggerhm09:07
lordievaderReading about Linus's outbreaks is usually fun :)09:07
yofelindeed09:07
tsimpsonso many opinions, so little time!09:10
apacheloggermh09:22
apacheloggerRiddell: did we ever suggest running do-release-upgrade or kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade with sudo?09:23
apacheloggeroh of course the general purpose open_url function would be in a file importing gtk modules09:25
Riddellno, I only recommend kubuntu-devel-release-upgrade which uses kdesudo09:26
Riddellyay bug 1308931 in proposed09:27
ubottubug 1308931 in ubiquity (Ubuntu Trusty) "[KDE] Ubiquity side bar is broken on the initial page for the KDE UI " [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/130893109:27
apacheloggerRiddell: right but we never said to run it with kdesudo explicitly?09:27
apacheloggeranywho09:27
apacheloggerI better solve browers invocation in the fetcher09:28
apacheloggerit's a slight bit broken09:28
Riddellapachelogger: nope09:28
RiddellScottK: removed artikulate that's waiting on new qtgstreamer waiting on kamoso and telepathy-kde releases09:34
apachelogger!find kde-open09:49
ubottuFile kde-open found in kde-runtime, kde-runtime-dbg, libreoffice-kde09:49
apachelogger /usr/share/locale-langpack/zu/LC_MESSAGES/ubuntu-release-upgrader.mo language-pack-gnome-zu-base09:55
apacheloggerRiddell: why look09:55
apacheloggerour upgrader is not localized09:56
apacheloggerwhy the frog is qttranslations5-l10n not installed by default10:01
apachelogger:@10:01
BluesKajHiyas all10:10
soee_hi BluesKaj10:17
BluesKajhi soee_10:19
apacheloggerRiddell: help10:33
Riddellapachelogger: que?10:38
apacheloggerRiddell: translations are kaput10:40
apacheloggerso very much10:40
* apachelogger feels like crying10:40
soee_;D10:41
apacheloggerRiddell: qbuttonbox respectively qmessagebox need to have qt qm files from qttranslations5-l10n10:43
apacheloggerproblem #1: qttranslations5-l10n is not installed recommended or nothing10:44
apacheloggerproblem #2: loading the translations is a right mess10:44
apacheloggerhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/7960057/10:45
apacheloggerproblem #3: if the package were to be anything but a dependency of the upgrader strings will go untranslated10:45
apacheloggerproblem #4: the actual upgrader gettext translations are in the gnome language-pack which I'll argue are not installed  by default10:46
* apachelogger thinks there is a bug int he trello plugin10:55
apacheloggeror not10:55
apacheloggerkubotu: ur weird sometimes10:55
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shadeslayerkubuntuBot: imager build11:31
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soeein System Settings -> Colors ; tab Options there is this horizontal scrollbar but if we chnage its value/postions it is always restored default if we exit open it again12:41
apacheloggerfile a bug12:55
soeeapachelogger: i wonder it is used for oxygen theme, but now when we have qtcurce should it be enabled/visible ?12:59
kdeuser56hi everyone ... does /usr/bin/kdialog still exist in kf5/plasma5?13:03
kdeuser56Riddell: ?13:05
kdeuser56or better asked: does it have a future (is it ported to KF5?)13:09
ScottKapachelogger: what's broken about pyqt5 in trusty? 13:29
apacheloggerScottK: signals don't work sometimes13:30
soeenext week is planned plasam 5.0.1 release ?13:30
apacheloggerScottK: running usb-creator from here should give you some nice output https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/usb-creator/qt513:31
apacheloggerI even semi-know what functions are involved but it essentially breaks because pyqt thinks it needs to hijack signal-connects from qt and implement them in python only13:31
apacheloggerand that went horribly wrong in the version we have in trusty13:31
ScottKCan you make a test case?13:39
ScottKSomething I can test on utopic and then go whine to upstream about?13:39
apacheloggerScottK: it works on utopic13:39
ScottKOK.13:40
ScottKSo with the test case, maybe I can get upstream to tell me what we need to fix in the trusty version.13:40
apacheloggerif I find the time :P13:41
Riddellsoee: I plan to tag it on thursday13:41
apacheloggermind you, from an integration POV it probably is best if we don't use pyqt5 on trusty anyway13:41
apacheloggerwithout framewokrsintegratin it will look weird13:41
soeeRiddell: nice, is there some changelog available for this release ?13:43
Riddelldunno, we'll find out on thursday13:43
* apachelogger hungry13:47
Riddellapachelogger: I recommend patatas bravas13:49
apacheloggerRiddell, shadeslayer, yofel, ScottK: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/ubuntu-release-upgrader/qt5/+merge/229620 have fun13:51
apacheloggerif possible someone should test with pyqt4, I haven't had the energy for that13:53
ScottKapachelogger: debian/changelog is busted.13:53
apacheloggerversion you mean?13:53
apacheloggercmd to do testery is something like kdesudo -- python3 dist-upgrade.py -s --datadir=../data --devel-release --frontend DistUpgradeViewKDE13:54
apacheloggerfor fetcher testing something like META_RELEASE_FAKE_CODENAME=trusty META_RELEASE_FAKE_VERSION=14.04 /do-release-upgrade -s --data-dir=`pwd`/DistUpgrade -d -f DistUpgradeViewKDE13:54
soeei have a file with UTF-8 encoding (sublime text view.encoding() showst that), if i open it with kate it is set to something like ISO 10646-UCS-2, any idea why ?13:55
BluesKajlocale?14:00
soeethere is some issue in plasma5 and locales but this has influance on kate and encoding detection ?14:02
BluesKajsoee, i was just guessing, seems i recall an article about locale affecting encoding states14:05
RiddellI don't understand the regression in pykde4 autopkgtest for ubuntu-release-manager http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#pykde414:07
Riddellthere's no test in pykde4 or in ubuntu-release-manager that I can see14:07
shadeslayerkubuntuBot: imager build14:20
RiddellScottK: I think that's all of 4.13.97 building, the only blocker I can see from update_excuses is pykde autopkgtest regression which I've no idea about, and of course other things could be helping it back in update_output.txt14:20
Riddelllooking nice and green on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/kf5-status/build_status_5.1.0_utopic.html14:21
ScottKI asked pitti, he didn't know about that either.14:21
ScottKI can't see as it could be related to pykde4.14:21
Riddells/as/that/ ?14:21
kubotuRiddell: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"14:21
ScottKyes14:22
RiddellScottK: shall I force it?14:23
ScottKI think that would be reasonable, but I think we should also point it out to whoever's handling the updater.  Dunno who that is.14:24
ScottKMaybe ping xnox and he'll figure out who.14:24
xnoxScottK: que? =)14:27
ScottKxnox: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Utopic/view/AutoPkgTest/job/utopic-adt-ubuntu-release-upgrader/lastBuild/ARCH=amd64,label=adt/console14:28
ScottKpitti said wait for mvo, but I thought maybe you would know.14:28
ScottKRiddell: Definitely force it though.14:29
apacheloggerlooks more like the test is kaputsies14:29
xnoxScottK: Riddell: not force, but mark skiptest / badtest14:30
ScottKYeah.  That.14:30
xnoxin britney hints to ignore that one.14:30
xnoxScottK: imho, that looks like quantal finally moved to old-releases =))))14:30
ScottKThat might very well do it.14:30
xnoxhm, but that happened in may.14:31
xnoxScottK: we can ask bdmurray to look into it as well.14:31
ScottKPlease do.14:31
shadeslayernew Kubuntu 5 ISO : magnet:?xt=urn:btih:25046a6817b635a283187cd66231011280e6c265&dn=kubuntu5-201408051446-x86_64.iso&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A8015:17
Riddellshadeslayer: need me to update download.kubuntu.co.uk ?15:20
shadeslayerRiddell: only if it doesn't cost us monies15:20
* Riddell uploads KF5 5.1.0 to utopic15:36
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Riddellanyone remember how to get a list of packages in the kubuntu package set?15:53
shadeslayernot really15:54
shadeslayerthere was some file somewhere15:54
shadeslayerapachelogger: btw dolphin is still incorrectly theme15:54
shadeslayeron the newest ISO15:54
shadeslayerstill uses fusion15:56
shadeslayerstill uses oxygen colors15:56
Riddellnah there was a script somewhere15:57
apacheloggershadeslayer: who dolphin16:03
apacheloggerdolphin can't use fusion16:03
apacheloggerdolphin is kdelibs416:03
apacheloggerthere's no fusion in qt4...16:03
apacheloggerand yes, I know its still bugged16:03
apacheloggerI am not sure why tho16:03
kubotufeed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 616:04
apacheloggerit might be entirely related to the fact that I had a Breeze.colors file in my home as mentioned the other day16:04
apacheloggershadeslayer: u backported kde4breeze?16:04
shadeslayerdid Marco fix that in 5.0?16:04
shadeslayerI wot m816:04
apacheloggeru no nutin16:05
shadeslayer+ jon snow16:05
apacheloggernevermind I hear there's a release coming16:05
* apachelogger reads code16:06
Riddell./edit-acl -P kubuntu -S utopic query16:12
shadeslayerRiddell: good to get rid of kubuntu-active16:15
Riddellwell a shame it didn't take off, maybe it is just the fate of community made open source software to not take off on new platforms16:17
mitya57Can anybody please review/sponsor my qt branch? https://code.launchpad.net/~mitya57/kubuntu-packaging/qt-4.8.6+git49-gbc62005/+merge/22844516:19
Riddellmitya57: can look shortly, has it not been merged in utopic already?16:20
mitya57No, utopic has 4.8.6 (not +git...)16:22
Riddellmitya57: do you know why we/debian want a git version?16:32
Riddellmitya57: any idea what  -system-proxies  in configure does?16:32
Riddelldid you bzr add parisc-atomic.patch ?16:33
apacheloggerRiddell: it's because getting an entirely different OS on consumer hardware is hard16:34
apacheloggertoo hard for normal people to do it, in fact sometimes too hard for geeks to do it, so that makes it a rather unrewarding thing to work on16:34
Riddellapachelogger: especially if that hardware doesn't exist, oh vivaldi16:35
apacheloggerdumdum16:35
apacheloggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRxofEmo3HA16:35
mitya57Riddell: 1) For example there is a security fix: https://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/commit/59eb561989f7a7b65c3e9b11d0ac062479013bf2, 90% of other commits are bugfixes as well16:36
apacheloggerutube comments are the best16:36
mitya572) Makes it use system proxy settings, that is mentioned in NEWS.debian as well16:36
apachelogger"french is fucking genius" => "except the fact that he was italian..."16:37
mitya573) Indeed I forgot, fixing16:37
Riddellapachelogger: this made me wonder what happened to the gnome mobile initiative but google only knows of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=We-8utU1kHo16:37
shadeslayerheh16:37
apacheloggermh16:37
apacheloggerI feel like I have seen this before16:37
* apachelogger can't possibly be that old16:38
* apachelogger squints16:38
Riddellmitya57: there are system proxy settings?16:38
Riddellmitya57: I see no NEWS.debian file16:38
mitya57Ah, that NEWS.debian was in qt5 where we also added that flag16:39
mitya57let me see what that flag is actually doing16:39
Riddellinteresting, (from qt5 docs) "On other systems, this function will pick up proxy settings from the "http_proxy" environment variable. This variable must be a URL using one of the following schemes: "http", "socks5" or "socks5h"."16:40
apacheloggerenvrionments are cool16:41
apacheloggerexcept for when you want to change stuff on the fly16:41
* apachelogger welcomes everyone to the 80's and asks to restart all applications16:41
mitya57Riddell: yes. I am using that variable myself sometimes (useful when you want to prevent your package from accessing network during build)16:42
mitya57But there should be no change for most users16:43
Riddellmitya57: let me know when you added the missing file and I'll merge and upload16:43
mitya57Riddell: pushed16:43
Riddell"Forwarded: not-needed" I do dislike how debian doesn't mention where patches come from or why they don't go upstream16:46
apacheloggeroh yes16:46
apacheloggershadeslayer: patches that have not-needed should be red :P16:46
mitya57That's better than no patch headers at all16:47
apacheloggerbecause whenever I see not-needed in a patch it actually looks like a couldnt-be-bothered-to-create-this-in-an-upstreamable-fashion :P16:47
apacheloggermitya57: that for sure :)16:47
debfxat least it has a reference to the bug report: Bug-Debian: http://bugs.debian.org/<bugnumber>16:48
debfx;)16:48
apacheloggerhuh16:48
Riddellattention to detail there16:49
shadeslayerapachelogger: waiting for yofel to use css16:50
apacheloggeroh oh16:50
apacheloggerand javascrypt column sorting or something16:51
yofeloh right, I did want to do that16:51
yofeltoo many things that distract me16:51
Riddellmitya57: uploading! thanks for your contribution to Kubuntu16:54
mitya57Thanks!16:55
RiddellMamarok, yofel, ScottK, valorie: vote vote! https://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/Policies17:15
Riddellooh ooh that's three +1s on the policy17:27
RiddellI think we only need 1 more to go, although it depends on what rules we're using to vote on the rules we use to vote on17:27
ScottKI don't agree with everything there.17:36
ScottKNeed more time to make a detailed review.17:36
Riddellcomment away17:39
ScottKI gave a short start.  Need to do some $work though.17:46
yofelapachelogger: your patch policy got criticism ^ ;P17:48
ScottKIt's not a problem.  Any time I violate the policy, I'll do it as a core-dev and not as a kubuntu-dev.17:49
yofelI was arguing with apachelogger over it, but I'm not too good at providing arguments in IRC discussions...17:50
yofelso I got defeated17:50
shadeslayerRiddell: krunner doesn't have a 5.0 branch17:51
shadeslayerwhich seems very bad17:51
yofelI thought upstream dumped the idea of bugfix releases for early 5, so why would it need one?17:53
shadeslayeryofel: krunner isn't a framework AFAIK17:56
shadeslayeroh17:56
shadeslayerit is17:56
shadeslayerRiddell: nvm17:56
yofelis it?17:56
yofelthis is confusing..17:56
apacheloggerthe binary is not, the concept of a runner is17:56
yofelshadeslayer: actually, can't find a tarball for krunner on depot, so dunno what it belongs to17:58
shadeslayerhttps://projects.kde.org/projects/frameworks/krunner17:58
shadeslayerFramework for providing different actions given a string query.17:58
* shadeslayer is looking at KToolInvocation code17:59
yofel#splitallthethings17:59
Riddellbuenos tardes sgclark 18:26
RiddellI uploaded frameworks 5.1 to utopic18:26
sgclarkgood afternoon18:26
sgclarkwoot18:26
Riddellnow lots of blue on http://qa.kubuntu.co.uk/buildstatus/kubuntu-buildstatus.html18:26
turgayI am getting error kubuntu 14.10   plasma 5  19:04
turgayhttp://www.imageupload.co.uk/images/2014/08/05/IMG20140805194727.jpg19:04
soeedefault installation ?19:05
turgay14.04 upgrade on  19:07
turgayok all updates19:08
aaron1boom21:12
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ahoneybunhello all21:13
Riddellhi ahoneybun 21:24
Riddelljust finished watching the independence debate are you?21:24
ahoneybunRiddell: just got Kubuntu 14.04.1 installed21:26
ahoneybunwas thinking of trying out the Plasma 5 build21:27
alleeyofel: any plans to pkg digikam 4.2?21:27
yofelme not this week, so free for anyone to pick up21:28
alleeyofel: k, I doubt I've enough time but 4.0 is useable slow.  So let's try. Hopefully 4.2 has fixed it ;-)21:33
ahoneybunhey yofel 21:34
yofelhey ahoneybun21:34
yofelallee: there's still 2 weeks till feature freeze, needs to be in before that21:34
ahoneybunstill have that build server up?21:35
yofelwould be great if you could take a look at it :)21:35
yofelahoneybun: uh, not *up*... rather ask Riddell for an ec2 session21:35
alleeyofel: that's the right branch? lp:~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/digikam21:35
yofelallee: yes21:36
alleelet's try ..21:36
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valorieRiddell: I've already voted +1 on the policies twice!22:16
valoriebut I shall do so again if needful22:16
* ScottK is going to ignore the silly ones anyway.22:17
ahoneybunhey valorie 22:19
valoriehi ahoneybun22:20
valorieltns22:20
ahoneybunyes I know22:20
ahoneybunplasma 5 is sexy22:20
valorieit is, I have it running on both 14.04 & 14.1022:36
valorieso far, so good22:36
valoriealthough rather limited in what one can do22:36
valoriesgclark: ! I'm just talking with my friend in Vienna22:36
valoriehe gave me the good link to getting cheap + free wireless bus tickets22:37
sgclarkhey :) oooh you know someone there?22:37
valorieso shall I buy us a pair?22:37
valorieyes, he'll show us around when we arrive22:37
sgclarkwoot, yes, let me know how much and I can give you cash or however you  want to do it22:37
valoriethat'll work22:38
valorielisten, are you driving up?22:38
valorieif so, why not just come here and spend the night?22:38
valoriethen you can leave your car here22:38
valorieif you are flying, I could perhaps meet your plane22:38
sgclarkMy husband was going to drive me., that would be wonderful22:38
valoriehe was going to drive you, and then drive back to Portland???22:39
sgclarkI can drive as well22:39
valoriehe must love you a LOT22:39
valorielol22:39
sgclarkprobably best if I drive now that I don't have to leave car at airport :)22:39
valorieit's about 3.5 hours from Portland to here, depending on traffic and where in Portland you live22:39
sgclarkHillsboro22:40
sgclarkthough  he probably wants the car while I am gone (cheaper gas than his truck) so back to him driving me lol, yeah he wuvs me22:41
sgclarkemail me your address and I will get there!22:42
valorieyeah, might take 4 hours then, if I recall traffic from Hillsboro correctly22:44
valorieor you could take the train.....22:44
sgclarkoooh train?22:44
valoriehe suggests this hostel: http://www.hostelbookers.com/hostels/austria/vienna/70876/22:44
sgclarkI like trains! lol22:44
valorieme too22:45
valoriepm, sgclark22:48
ahoneybunhow are you valorie ?22:53
valorieI'm good, how are you ahoneybun?22:54
* valorie is taking off in a couple of days for Geneva for the book sprint22:54
valoriewriting the Cookbook for frameworks22:55
sgclarkwow22:55
sgclarkthat is really cool22:55
valoriehopefully I recover from jetlag from this trip, before Vienna!22:55
valorienot very convenient timing22:55
sgclarkhehe I am going to virginia next week on vacation, not so far as you  though!22:56
valorieyes, jetlag within the us is pretty mild22:56
valorieI suppose from Hawaii to Virginia would be more severe though22:57
valorieor vice-versa22:57
sgclarklol yeah22:58
ahoneybunI'm pretty good too22:58
valorieexcellent, ahoneybun22:59
valorieI'm afraid I have done no doc work at all22:59
valoriehowever, I think we won't have anything but polishing for the next release23:00
valoriethe one after that might be a doozy though23:00
ahoneybunvalorie: with plasma 5 you mean?23:06
valorieahoneybun: exactly23:17
valorieif it's stable and featurefull enough to release by then23:17
valoriewhich is not a sure thing23:17
ahoneybunyea but we;ll see23:27
valorieexactly23:28
valoriewhen I get home from hopping about europe, I'll take another look at our docs, and polish if necessary23:29
sgclarkI need more hours in the day.23:32
valorieI've been advocating for the 30 hour day, for lo these many years23:33
* sgclark wonders if there is an app for that23:33
valorieno progress on that so far23:33
sgclarkI am trying to get on a normal US schedule for my vacation lol23:33
valoriethat's a hard one for me23:38
valoriesomehow I gut through it each time23:38
valoriehope that it holds for everyday life23:38
valorieevery time I stay a nightowl23:39
sgclarkyeah gonna be harder for my husband he works 7pm-7am23:40
valoriehostel booked23:40
sgclarkyay!23:40
ahoneybunso the docs.kubuntu.org does not look better valorie 23:54
valorieyes, there is some problem on the website23:54
valorienot sure23:54
valorieyou haven't been around to poke anybody!23:55
* valorie goes off to dinner23:55

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