[03:07] <absk007___> what r the applications installed using Lubuntu Alternate install minimal?
[03:14] <ianorlin> alternate install is same as regular lubuntu install but minimal install is something else that just install a minimal number of packages
[03:18] <holstein> !mini
[03:26] <absk007___> holstein, ianorlin, while installing minimal lubuntu setup from Alternate install image, will I be able to select which extra packages to install at the installation time?
[03:28] <ianorlin> I think expert mode allows that but it is complicated and not that well tested
[03:29] <absk007___> i've used the expert mode while installing the Ubuntu Minimal. And downloads packages from internet. Will the minimal lubuntu install from alternate img download pkgs from web?
[03:29] <Unit193> There's "Install" and "Command-line install", one brings you to tasksel, the other one installs a minimal system where you can install other packages when you want.  This is not technically the "Alternate install", it's using the mini.iso.
[03:30] <Unit193> I believe the alternate is just like using ubiquity, just that it uses the "debian-installer".
[03:31] <absk007___> Unit193, since it uses mini.iso, does it download the required pkgs from web or uses the pkgs available in the alternate img?
[03:31] <Unit193> mini.iso is not the same as the Lubuntu alternate iso.  The mini does download from the internet, the alternate does not.
[03:35] <absk007___> Unit193, but can't it use the img as the download src? There comes a option in minimal install to choose the src. Does it also allows installing from usb alternate lubuntu img?
[09:04] <absk007> ** (canberra-gtk-play:5962): WARNING **: Couldn't connect to accessibility bus: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-3WJ2e4ZJTH: Connection refused
[09:04] <absk007> No event id or file specified.
[09:04] <absk007> what's the issue?
[09:07] <silverlion> absk007 : chromium
[09:07] <silverlion> ;)
[09:07] <silverlion> had the same issue
[09:08] <silverlion> after uninstalling chromium this error message will be gone
[09:09] <absk007> issue with chromium too
[09:10] <silverlion> yes. uninstall chromium and every package that is related to it
[09:10] <silverlion> then you'll stop getting this error message
[09:11] <absk007> i was working. Suddenly lubuntu shutdown directly. I was connected to wifi & working in chromium. Started lubuntu, started chromium. Not starting. Even the wifi is not connecting. Always says (disconnected).
[09:11] <absk007> not even showing the wifi hotspot
[09:12] <silverlion> not sure if I understood correctly
[09:12] <silverlion> :(
[09:12] <silverlion> may I ask where you from?
[09:13] <absk007> silverlion, is it really necessary???
[09:13] <silverlion> absk007 : i am just trying to find someone who is able to talk to you in your native tongue which will ease the conversation
[09:15] <absk007> i understood u about uninstalling all packages. But i've another issue about wifi module showing disconnected.
[09:16] <silverlion> absk007 : have you checked the router for proper working?
[09:17] <absk007> silverlion, yeah! The issue is OS related.
[09:19] <silverlion> absk007 : found similar issues in http://askubuntu.com/questions/324177/how-can-i-fix-my-wifi-connection-in-lubuntu-13-04
[09:19] <silverlion> have you tried?=
[09:23] <kuhilasvaara> can someone suggest me a text editor that can highlight php, javascript and some basic coding languages, and when I open a new file in it, it will open it in a new tab by default. I tried gvim and cream but they seem shtt compared to notepad++ on windows
[09:23] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : bluefish ;)
[09:23] <absk007> silverlion, the issue is a bit different. The wifi hotspot is not detected at all.
[09:24] <absk007> silverlion, this happened after sudden lubuntu shutdown while i was connected to Wifi
[09:24] <kuhilasvaara> at quick glance that seems like a full blown dev editor thingie
[09:25] <kuhilasvaara> and not so basic I am looking for hm hm
[09:25] <absk007> kuhilasvaara, give Sublime Text 3 a try! Hope it helps
[09:25] <silverlion> absk007 : well to be honest that's a little above my knowledge :(
[09:25] <silverlion> sorry
[09:26] <silverlion> maybe you try ubuntuforums with that problem
[09:26] <silverlion> absk007 : http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1528945 ?
[09:26] <absk007> hmm...also after that incident, Chromium stopped working. No Error. It's just not starting.
[09:27] <silverlion> I am sorry ... no idea :(
[09:28] <silverlion> absk007 : are you on facebook?
[09:28] <silverlion> maybe a post in the lubuntu facebook group might help
[09:29] <kuhilasvaara> lubuntu software center does not find that sublime not apt-cache search or not sure. Oh well. I try that bluefish
[09:29] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : you'll gonna love it
[09:30] <absk007> yeah! but after a lightning strike, my desktop MB crashed 5 days back. That's the reason i'm on my 1 GHz, 2 GB RAM, 7.5 GB USB HDD (320 GB HDD crashed due to Windows 7 Ult) ASUS 1215B EeePC laptop.
[09:30] <kuhilasvaara> hmm ye, the file oopened quite quickly in it
[09:30] <kuhilasvaara> already like it :)
[09:31] <silverlion> kuhilasvaara : have a look at http://bluefish.openoffice.nl/screenshots.html there are some screencasts which show the features
[09:32] <absk007> how to remove `canberra-gtk-play` ? apt-get remove doesn't.
[09:33] <silverlion> absk007 : have you try synaptic?
[09:34] <silverlion> absk007 : but reading through the docs I'd recommend against uninstalling it
[09:34] <absk007> silverlion, removed. But it wasn't installed before..
[09:35] <absk007> silverlion, why do you say so?
[09:35] <silverlion> because on this package there are different other sound software things depending
[09:36] <absk007> silverlion, damn! u should have warned me. Installed again! LoLz.
[09:37] <silverlion> told you that dbus error you got, it depends on chromium
[09:38] <silverlion> there is an internal bug in chromium which causes it
[09:38] <silverlion> you should start looking for another browser ;)
[09:39] <absk007> umm...actually chromium isn't starting because of this .. "/usr/bin/chromium-browser: 7: .: Can't open /usr/lib/pepflashplugin-installer/pepflashplayer.sh"
[09:39] <silverlion> absk007 : yes. that's why purge it totally
[09:39] <absk007> silverlion, purged pepflashplugin
[09:39] <absk007> but i want chromium to run
[09:39] <absk007> silverlion, how do i?
[09:40] <silverlion> absk007 : then you'll need version 35 of chromium installed
[09:40] <silverlion> hang on
[09:40] <absk007> silverlion, no..no. then i don't need flash
[09:40] <absk007> but i just want my chromium to run. Please help.
[09:41] <silverlion> absk007 : I told you. chromium is not running due to an internal bug in the code which has not been fixed yet
[09:41] <absk007> but it was running before installing that damn pepflash! Removed pepflash but still it shows that error.
[09:42] <absk007> i can't purge chromium. My passwords!! I don't remember.
[09:42] <silverlion> have a look here >> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1307648
[09:42] <silverlion> that's the reason
[09:42] <silverlion> they are still working on that bug
[09:42] <silverlion> I need you to wait. there is no help right now
[09:43] <silverlion> absk007 : try Preferences->Language Support->Language->Keyboard input method system: 'none'
[09:43] <silverlion> maybe this helps
[09:44] <absk007> silverlion, but the error it shows is due to pepflash. rt?
[09:44] <silverlion> absk007 : pls do understand. All I am able to do is looking for links
[09:44] <silverlion> I am a newbie myself, ok?
[09:49] <absk007> silverlion, lemme reinstall chromium
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : go for it ;)
[09:50] <silverlion> I gotta go now
[09:50] <silverlion> be back later
[09:50] <absk007> plz don't go..
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : sorry, work is waiting. I have to
[09:50] <silverlion> absk007 : you should come back around 20.00 UTC
[09:50] <absk007> silverlion, lemme atleast reinstall chromium
[09:51] <silverlion> absk007 : no choice
[09:51] <silverlion> my boss is already behind me ... I'm in trouble
[09:51] <silverlion> sorry
[09:51] <absk007> lolz
[09:51] <hateball> absk007: If you open /usr/bin/chromium-browser with gedit or something you should see lines relating to pepflash
[09:52] <absk007> hateball, lemme check
[09:53] <absk007> hateball, damn! u r late. I already purged & reinstalling chromium.
[09:53] <hateball> oh well
[09:53] <hateball> absk007: userdata isnt gone on purge anyhow
[09:54] <absk007> yeah! still i renamed it just to b on safe side
[11:07] <absk007> hateball, ...
[11:07] <absk007> how to take snapshot?
[11:07] <hateball> absk007: A screenshot?
[11:07] <absk007> yep
[11:08] <hateball> Hmmm, not on Lubuntu now... but doesnt PrtScr launch something by default?
[11:08] <absk007> nope!
[11:08] <Unit193> hateball: Yes, scrot and saves it to ~/
[11:09] <absk007> does keymon work?
[11:09] <hateball> absk007: there you have it ^
[11:10] <absk007> how to use scrot? terminal? scrot doesn't work.
[11:10] <hateball> scrot is a cli app, but Unit193 suggests pressing prtscr should fire it up and save an image to your ~/
[11:12] <absk007> sry! PrtSc does work. It just doesn't show any GUI. Simply saves it to ~/
[11:12] <absk007> how to upload to imgur from terminal?
[11:13] <hateball> I am not aware of any such tool
[11:15] <Unit193> imgur has a bash script, or did.
[11:16] <absk007> i got one. Really nyc! http://askubuntu.com/questions/417295/how-to-take-a-screenshot-and-then-upload-the-image-to-imgur-through-terminal
[11:17] <absk007> This is what happened to my Wifi http://i.imgur.com/CWwcWGX.png
[11:18] <absk007> i click on "Switch Wifi" still no clue!!
[11:19] <absk007> my wifi is already ON
[11:23] <absk007> how could "zenity" be of any help?
[11:27] <absk007> Unit193, hateball, silverlion, plz answer my doubts & questions
[11:28] <rafaellaguna> absk007, what's not working?
[11:28] <absk007> rafaellaguna, my wifi. Issue! http://i.imgur.com/CWwcWGX.png
[11:29] <absk007> doesn't show
[11:29] <absk007> hotspots
[11:29] <rafaellaguna> show what? at the panel?
[11:29] <absk007> rafaellaguna, no where
[11:29] <rafaellaguna> version of Lubuntu?
[11:29] <absk007> it scans & doesn't show anything. This happened after a crash!
[11:30] <absk007> Lubuntu Desktop 14.04 (Un)Trusty
[11:31] <rafaellaguna> why don't you use nm-applet?
[11:31] <absk007> i restarted network-manager several times. No HELP.
[11:31] <absk007> that applet in the taskbar that comes by default. I use it.
[11:31] <absk007> rafaellaguna, installed Wicd just now
[11:31] <rafaellaguna> your screenshot shows wicd
[11:32] <rafaellaguna> ok
[11:32] <rafaellaguna> can you connect to cable nets?
[11:33] <absk007> yeah!
[11:33] <rafaellaguna> but not wi-fi
[11:33] <absk007> LAN works f9...it detects LAN but not Wifi.
[11:34] <absk007> rafaellaguna, the applet just shows "Wifi disconnected" msg
[11:34] <rafaellaguna> ok, let me check something...
[11:37] <rafaellaguna> absk007, have you read this? http://askubuntu.com/questions/450048/cannot-connect-to-wireless-in-lubuntu-14-04
[12:15] <absk007> rafaellaguna, sry! i wasn't near here.  lemme check
[12:16] <rafaellaguna> ok, that's the opnly resource I can give to you, I'm not an expert in net things
[12:17] <absk007> rafaellaguna, anyway things.
[12:17] <absk007> *thanks
[12:18] <rafaellaguna> you're welcome :)
[12:24] <absk007> rafaellaguna, that didn't change anything. Damn!
[12:25] <absk007> Wifi Network problem. Anyone!! Please help.
[12:25] <rafaellaguna> you should remove wicd, and make a proper ask on AskUbuntu
[12:35] <rafaellaguna> absk007, I hate leaving a problem unsolved, come back later and we'll ask a reallly expert on this matter
[12:39] <absk007> rafaellaguna, thanks. Another issue
[12:39] <absk007> How to install teamviewer using ppa latest stable
[12:43] <rafaellaguna> I'm on it...
[12:43] <absk007> will Teamviewer install in 1GHz, 2GB RAM, 7.5 GB USB HDD?
[12:44] <rafaellaguna> I see there's no updated PPA, but yes on their website: http://www.teamviewer.com/en/download/linux.aspx
[12:45] <absk007> & the question 2?
[12:45] <rafaellaguna> and I don't recommend TeamViewer on such a limited computer, you'll notice lags all the time
[12:47] <absk007> damn! me, my PC, & lightning!!
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> things happen :)
[12:47] <rafaellaguna> ok, me goez eat
[14:23] <absk007_> wifi Issue. Anyone?
[14:25] <suncokret> hello
[14:45] <absk007_> suncokret, r u having a prob. or wanna help me?
[14:54] <suncokret> how i can help you? :)
[14:59] <suncokret> i install audacity and when i want to record something with microphone it don't record anything
[14:59] <suncokret> how to change recording volume level of microphone
[14:59] <suncokret> ?
[15:00] <average_guy> alsamixer suncokret
[15:24] <absk007_> suncokret, install "pulse audio volume control"
[15:27] <suncokret> i can't find that pulse audio volume control
[15:41] <absk007_> suncokret, "apt-get search pulse|grep -i control"
[15:42] <absk007_> **apt-cache search pulse|grep -i control
[15:42] <absk007_> suncokret, install using "sudo apt-get install pavucontrol"
[15:43] <absk007_> suncokret, it's very easy 2 use interface
[15:43] <suncokret> now i find
[15:43] <suncokret> is it enough to install pavucontrol in synaptic?
[15:47] <suncokret> i instal pavucontrol from synaptic
[15:47] <absk007_> suncokret, same issue i had. yep! that's it.
[15:47] <absk007_> Wifi issue. Anyone?
[15:47] <suncokret> and set microphone in volume
[15:47] <suncokret> louder
[15:47] <suncokret> and now it work
[15:47] <suncokret> thanks
[15:47] <absk007_> suncokret, yeah! yeah!
[15:47] <absk007_> congrats!
[15:47] <suncokret> i just searched for audio mixer like pavucontrol
[15:48] <suncokret> but i didn't find
[15:48] <suncokret> that is great mixer
[15:48] <absk007_> it's alsamixer
[15:48] <absk007_> someone suggested me that too
[15:48] <suncokret> i was find alsamixer gui
[15:48] <suncokret> but it is bad
[15:49] <suncokret> i can't find option for record
[15:49] <suncokret> just for playback
[15:49] <absk007_> you just wanted to increase the vol. rt?
[15:49] <suncokret> yes
[15:49] <absk007_> there is an option for record too
[15:49] <suncokret> but also to have option for record
[15:49] <suncokret> i didn't find option for record in alsamixer
[15:50] <suncokret> but in pulse mixer is here
[15:50] <suncokret> :)
[15:50] <absk007_> suncokret, gr8. rock & roll.. ;-)
[15:51] <suncokret> and i see now lubuntu accept pulse mixer to be default
[15:52] <suncokret> do you know to work with arhivers (7zip and rar)?
[15:52] <absk007_> suncokret, you already have a default archive manager. rt?
[15:53] <suncokret> yes
[15:53] <suncokret> i have problem
[15:53] <absk007_> just install "sudo apt-get install -y unrar rar"
[15:53] <absk007_> for rar
[15:53] <suncokret> i have that all
[15:53] <suncokret> yes
[15:53] <suncokret> i have other problem
[15:53] <absk007_> like what?
[15:54] <suncokret> i use double commander, and when i have some arhive with directories (folders)
[15:54] <suncokret> and when i want to add some file to arhive in directory
[15:54] <suncokret> it don't add it in directory, it add it in root of archive
[15:55] <suncokret> and in zip arhives it work good
[15:55] <suncokret> and
[15:55] <suncokret> defeult arhive manager add in 7zip and rar where i want to add
[15:55] <suncokret> *default
[15:57] <suncokret> so problem is in double commander, probably is need to change some parameters in option for adding in 7z and rar
[15:57] <suncokret> do you know something about that?
[15:57] <suncokret> :)
[15:57] <absk007_> oops! never worked with the "double trouble" !! ;-)
[15:58] <suncokret> i think that is best file manager for linux
[15:58] <suncokret> very similar as total commander
[15:58] <suncokret> but not good as total commander
[15:59] <suncokret> it need to be developed more :)
[15:59] <absk007_> suncokret, (unrelated to soln.) may i know about your computer specs.
[16:00] <suncokret> hardware?
[16:00] <absk007_> yep!
[16:00] <absk007_> coz i wanna compare what kinda h/w run lubuntu...
[16:01] <suncokret> chipset iQ965
[16:01] <suncokret> video Intel GMA3000 on board
[16:02] <suncokret> 1GB memory
[16:02] <suncokret> Intel Core 2 Duo 2,8 ghz
[16:02] <absk007_> CPU freq.?
[16:02] <absk007_> k
[16:02] <absk007_> gr8.
[16:03] <absk007_> i think you've Intel E7400. rt?
[16:03] <suncokret> E5916
[16:03] <suncokret> esprimo
[16:04] <suncokret> and audio is
[16:04] <suncokret> Realtek ALC260
[16:04] <suncokret> :)
[16:04] <absk007_> k...gr8. u've a powerful h/w. y run with 1 GB RAM?
[16:04] <suncokret> yes
[16:04] <suncokret> i am lazy
[16:05] <suncokret> i will try lubuntu
[16:05] <suncokret> on old machine
[16:05] <suncokret> i want to see how it work
[16:05] <suncokret> celeron 566
[16:05] <absk007_> sure..it works f9.
[16:05] <absk007_> wanna see my h/w specs?
[16:06] <suncokret> with 384 mb ram
[16:06] <absk007_> AMD C50 1GHz CPU, 2 GB RAM, 7.42 GB USB HDD (320GB HDD crashed running Win7 Ult) using ASUS 1215B EeePC Lappy
[16:07] <suncokret> and how lubuntu work on your hardware?
[16:07] <absk007_> works gr8...
[16:07] <phillw> with 2GB RAM, it will fly!
[16:08] <absk007_> RAM not prob. much. I do heavy multitasking
[16:08] <phillw> 384 MB is fine for lubuntu, unless you doing serious work in GIMP :P
[16:08] <suncokret> on that old machine celeron 566 and 384 mb of ram i use win98
[16:08] <suncokret> :)
[16:08] <absk007_> run WebStorm IDE, TeamViewer, Chromium w/ 10 tabs
[16:08] <suncokret> and on this machine with 1GB of ram lubuntu work great
[16:08] <phillw> I've just put lubuntu onto an old win98 machine. It's a happy little bunny.
[16:09] <phillw> had to use a 3.5" floppy as it can not boot from CD :P
[16:09] <suncokret> i was try Mint - xfce, mate, cinnamon, kde, xubuntu, Rosa LXDE
[16:09] <absk007_> in mine, lubuntu lags while running chromium w/ high mem usage tabs!
[16:09] <suncokret> and Lubuntu is best for me
[16:09] <absk007_> suncokret, lubuntu is the lightest of all.
[16:10] <absk007_> See here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/desktop_environment#Comparison_of_desktop_environments
[16:10] <phillw> absk007_: we popped back to ffox, as after it's diet - it now lower resource than chromium. We are not fan bois of either browser - we simply choose which is leanest at each release :D
[16:11] <suncokret> Arch is lightest, but i don't know to install it, and i don't want to learn
[16:11] <suncokret> because Arch is not much lighter than Lubuntu
[16:11] <suncokret> :)
[16:12] <suncokret> Arch is not worth of trouble for me
[16:12] <absk007_> because arch is w/o any DE, WM, DM, etc...
[16:12] <suncokret> i use 32 bit Lubuntu 14.04
[16:12] <absk007_> install any you choose from the link!!
[16:12] <absk007_> same as me!
[16:12] <suncokret> and when system start it use about 115MB of memory
[16:12] <suncokret> it was used more
[16:12] <suncokret> but i removed ibus
[16:14] <absk007_> phillw, which FF to use so that i get maximum stability and perf.?
[16:14] <suncokret> phillw, did you try Opera? Opera is lighter browser
[16:14] <suncokret> i use Opera and FF
[16:15] <suncokret> but more opera
[16:15] <suncokret> version 11.64
[16:15] <absk007_> what's the use of ibus exactly? Which apps depend on it?
[16:15] <suncokret> i think no apps don't depend on ibus
[16:16] <absk007_> then why is ibus installed?
[16:16] <suncokret> and double commander had problems with keyboard when ibus was started
[16:16] <suncokret> so solution was to disable or deinstall it
[16:16] <suncokret> i deinstalled it
[16:16] <absk007_> how much resourse frees if ibus is removed?
[16:16] <suncokret> i don't know
[16:17] <suncokret> try to disable it and see
[16:17] <suncokret> maybe about 10 mb ram
[16:17] <absk007_> ibus eats less cpu & some mem
[16:17] <suncokret> i don't need it for nothing
[16:18] <absk007_> what added help does it do to me & my system?
[16:18] <phillw> absk007_ suncokret: at each pre-release lubuntu has a beauty contest for apps. Browser is the one that gets the most comments :) The browser must be in the repos to be considered.
[16:18] <absk007_> lolz
[16:19] <phillw> absk007_: it is for language support from memory
[16:19] <absk007_> phillw, do i need it if i use English?
[16:20] <suncokret> you can download opera for ubuntu on opera site, you can choose version too
[16:20] <phillw> I did not run, as there was a clash with chromium.
[16:20] <suncokret> so it don't need to be in repo :)
[16:20] <suncokret> did you try opera?
[16:20] <absk007_> nope!
[16:20] <suncokret> it is much lighter than firefox
[16:20] <absk007_> phillw, should i remove ibus?
[16:21] <suncokret> i removed ibus and i don't see anything bad
[16:21] <suncokret> :)
[16:21] <suncokret> ibus was not in 13.04
[16:21] <absk007_> phillw, what's your advice about removing ibus?
[16:22] <phillw> suncokret: it has to be in the repo to be allowed on the iso. Those are the rules :) (And no, I did not make them). You can use xombrero if you want a really lean browser.. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/MinimalInstall#Low_Resource_Browser
[16:22] <suncokret> opera use about 25MB of ram
[16:22] <phillw> absk007_: as part of bug 1307648 removing iBus was one of suggested work-rounds
[16:23] <suncokret> and firefox use about 60MB
[16:23] <suncokret> i used opera for years on windows
[16:23] <phillw> I'm running 14.10, so have v35 on my system and does not have the bug.
[16:24] <suncokret> and it is great browser, only it is not open source :
[16:24] <suncokret> :)
[16:24] <absk007_> phillw, according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/1307648/comments/21 chromium uses ibus
[16:24] <phillw> absk007_: no, it had a fight, which has been fixed with v35 :)
[16:25] <absk007_> phillw, i'm in "Chromium 34.0.1847.116 Ubuntu 14.04 aura". How to update?
[16:25] <absk007_> phillw, ppa pls.
[16:25] <phillw> suncokret: it is going for adoption, a tortuous series of steps.
[16:26] <suncokret> i just say if somebody want more than half lighter browser than FF, can try Opera :)
[16:28] <absk007_> is there any battery monitoring app like in ubuntu?
[16:29] <suncokret> absk007_ how much ram chromium eat?
[16:30] <suncokret> i never didn't use chromium
[16:32] <suncokret> phillw, how to install xombrero?
[16:32] <suncokret> it is not in repo
[16:33] <suncokret> sorry, i find ppa... ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:35] <phillw> I've not seen one for v35, the test area has leap frogged past that.. http://www.webupd8.org/2014/02/how-to-install-chromium-beta-or-dev.html absk007_ as 14.10 lubuntu is purely a bug fix release, you may want to jump onto that. I've had it since alpha 1 (now just passed alpha 2).
[16:35] <phillw> suncokret: there is a newer version kicking around.. let me see if I can recall where it is.
[16:36] <phillw> suncokret: https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+ppa-packages
[16:37] <phillw> that may have a newer version, I know Unit has taken an interest in the application. (He's our IRC policeman for lubuntu and can be trustd)
[16:38] <suncokret> yes, in this ppa which you find is 1.6.3
[16:38] <suncokret> that is new version
[16:39] <suncokret> but i can't find ppa adress
[16:39] <suncokret> ?
[16:41] <absk007_> Unit193 ppa might have malware injected into it's very <3
[16:41] <phillw> absk007_:  he he... Only over his rotting corpse :P
[16:42] <absk007_> NSA might have injected backdoor in Original Google Chrome!!
[16:43] <phillw> As with Julien, they take immense care on what they allow us to easily access :)
[16:43] <suncokret> i will try that xombrero and compare it with opera
[16:43] <suncokret> advantage of xombrero is because it is open source
[16:43] <phillw> suncokret: pull either the older one from Julien, or the newer from Unit.
[16:44] <suncokret> i will try older
[16:44] <suncokret> and i didn't find ppa address of unit
[16:44] <suncokret> ?
[16:44] <suncokret> on first i find ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:44] <suncokret> but on unit nothing
[16:44] <suncokret> :)
[16:50] <suncokret> dje si snele kuco stara?
[16:51] <absk007> suncokret, what you saying?
[16:51] <suncokret> something to snele
[16:51] <suncokret> sorry
[16:51] <suncokret> :)
[16:51] <suncokret> if somebody want to try opera
[16:51] <suncokret> http://www.opera.com/download/guide/?os=linux-i386&list=all
[16:52] <suncokret> i use version 11.64, and newest version is 12.16
[16:52] <suncokret> really fast and light browser
[16:52] <snele> suncokret: hahaha gde me nadje
[16:52] <absk007> what's the xombrero ppa?
[16:52] <suncokret> ppa:unit193/xombrero
[16:52] <suncokret> or
[16:53] <suncokret> ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:53] <suncokret> on first is newer version
[16:53] <absk007> Unit193, might be unsafe!!!
[16:53] <absk007> 2nd one not found
[16:54] <suncokret> this phil say
 so Unit193 is trustworthy?
 100%
[16:54] <absk007> i's kidding.
[16:54] <absk007> :-D :-)
[16:54] <suncokret> i will try xombrero
[16:54] <suncokret> and you can try opera
[16:55] <absk007> phillw, suncokret, xombrero not found in ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:55] <suncokret> https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-dev/+archive/ubuntu/non-official-apps
[16:56] <suncokret> there is xombrero
[16:56] <absk007> added the ppa, apt-get update, not found
[16:56] <suncokret> i don't know
[16:56] <wxl> absk007: how did you add it?
[16:56] <phillw> use https://launchpad.net/~unit193/+archive/ubuntu/xombrero
[16:57] <wxl> absk007: and what version are you on?
[16:57] <absk007> wxl, sudo add-apt-repository -y ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[16:58] <absk007> i'm on 14.04
[16:58] <wxl> there is no xombrero for 14.04 there
[16:58] <suncokret> yes
[16:58] <absk007> then Unit193 is the only choice i've
[16:58] <suncokret> there is not xombrero
[16:58] <wxl> saucy raring and quantal only
[16:59] <wxl> there is xxxterm in the standard repos
[16:59] <phillw> wxl: that's very old
[17:00] <phillw> suncokret: 14.04 is there
[17:00] <absk007> how to add program to the application menu?
[17:00] <wxl> xombrero is 1.5.0 in the ppa and xxxterm is 1.11.3 in the repos
[17:00] <phillw> 12.04, 14,04 and 14.10
[17:00] <wxl> phillw: by there, i assume you mean Unit193's ppa
[17:00] <wxl> ?
[17:00] <phillw> yup
[17:01] <wxl> yeah cuz it's not in non-official apps
[17:01] <absk007> suncokret, r u from Slovenia?
[17:01] <phillw> wxl: i know he's been quietly cheering it on :)
 suncokret: 14.04 is there .. i want to say there is not xombrero in ppa:lubuntu-dev/non-official-apps
[17:01] <suncokret> for 14.04
[17:01] <suncokret> .
[17:01] <wxl> Unit193 has 1.6.3
[17:01] <wxl> ooooh from git no less
[17:02] <wxl> bleeding freaking edge
[17:02] <phillw> suncokret: Julien put it in as a proof of concept.
[17:02] <phillw> I'll go edit the wiki page.
[17:03] <wxl> oic
[17:03] <wxl> they didn't change the name of xombrero from xxxterm, they started up the version numbers all over again
[17:03]  * wxl facepalms
[17:03] <suncokret> does somebody here try xombrero ?
[17:04] <wxl> that one in the main repos *IS* way behind
[17:04] <wxl> suncokret: i have before. it's great.
[17:04] <suncokret> now i will see
[17:04] <suncokret> .
[17:05] <suncokret> it is very slow download 6kb/s
[17:05] <absk007> xombrero has no addon.
[17:06] <suncokret> and does somebody try opera?
[17:07] <absk007> suncokret, you try!!
[17:07] <wxl> absk007: what do you need add ons for?
[17:07] <phillw> wiki page updated... absk007 it is a very low resource browser .. add ons == more resources. That is why it has only a foot note in the minimal area which itself is more for geeks than average user :)
[17:07] <suncokret> i will try xombrero :)
[17:07] <absk007> suncokret, xombrero is slow in opening pages but is very lightweight due to no features apart from search engine
[17:08] <absk007> wxl, addons for adblock & lastpass
[17:08] <wxl> suncokret: i've used opera before. it kind of reminds me of midori: it's got some interesting features, but not worth keeping around. that's my opinion.
[17:08] <suncokret> absk007, no i am from serbia
[17:08] <wxl> absk007: keepassx, man.
[17:08] <suncokret> and where are you from?
[17:08] <wxl> wow serbia!
[17:09] <suncokret> rs is serbia
[17:09] <suncokret> i think slovenia is si
[17:09] <absk007> i've installed midori. It's not that bad. But again! i need atleast the two addons - adblock & lastpass
[17:09] <wxl> huh it is rs
[17:09] <wxl> absk007: have you used keepassx?
[17:09] <absk007> umm...nope!
[17:10] <absk007> wxl, how it supports the browsers?
[17:10] <suncokret> i want to try xombrero, but download is very slow, i need to wait
[17:10] <wxl> absk007: it's basically lastpass but it's not on the cluod.
[17:10] <wxl> absk007: what i do is use dropbox to store my encrypted database and i can access it from any device, but the actual program allows me to enter passwords quickly into websites.
[17:10] <phillw> just as a thought, could this discussion be better at home on #lubuntu-offtopic
[17:11] <wxl> is this not support?
[17:16] <Slit> Hi! Colud some one show me a link for Lubuntu 14.04.1 hash number. I can only find hash number for 14.04
[17:17] <phillw> Slit: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[17:18] <average_guy> can someone point me to steps for lxqt install for testing? I have a utopic server VM at the ready
[17:18] <phillw> if you got to cdimage page, you  need to scroll down to get the .1's
[17:18] <Slit> @ phillw. Where is for 14.04.01
[17:18] <phillw> average_guy: install the meta-package
[17:19] <average_guy> okies phillw
[17:20] <phillw> Slit: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ holds them all, http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/ has 14.04 at the top and 14.04.1 lower down.
[17:21] <Slit> @ phillw Thank you!!! Found it!
[17:50] <tr3y> Hello... can someone point me in the right direction on how to set up dual monitors on Lubuntu 12.04?
[17:51] <average_guy> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/MultiDisplay
[17:51] <rafaellaguna> and a nice video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ub7pn-PUKjA  :)
[17:51] <tr3y> Awesome, thanks guys.
[17:53] <absk007> wxl, should i use keepassx or keepass2?
[18:08] <yz3pD> absk007, do you wanna use it only on linux or also under windows?
[18:09] <wxl> yz3pD: assuming we're talking keepass here, keepass2 can open keepass files if he needs to use it on windows
[18:09] <wxl> yz3pD: not vice versa
[18:10] <yz3pD> wxl, so keepass2 ?
[18:10] <Unit193> The beta has support for version 2 file format.
[18:10] <wxl> yz3pD: no keepassx is more portable
[18:10] <wxl> Unit193: the beta of keepassx????
[18:10] <yz3pD> wxl, but it has less functionality, or?
[18:11] <wxl> yz3pD: doesn't need 20,000 libs
[18:12] <Unit193> wxl: keepassx2, supporting the file format 2.  Bad part, alpha.
[18:13] <wxl> Unit193: oh wow
[18:13] <Unit193> And yeah, I'm all for keepassx over keepass2, don't want no stinkin' mono.  But, if he needs file format 2 support now, might be the way to go.
[18:15] <wxl> Unit193: he doesn't. he was asking which to use. yz3pD asked which os he needed to use it on and i suggested if there's multiple os's involved, to just use keepassx, though i should point out that keepassx will work everywhere.
[18:16] <Unit193> Then yes, I highly recommend keepassx over keepass2.
[18:17] <absk007> yz3pD, i wanna use on both linux & win 7
[18:18] <yz3pD> so i created a file with keepass2, can i use it under keepassx?
[18:18] <yz3pD> absk007, just use keepassx
[18:27] <wxl> +1 silverlion
[18:27] <wxl> ianorlin: currently i'm not the release manager for server ;)
[18:28] <ianorlin> it also affects lubuntu isos
[18:28] <ianorlin> both alternate and desktop
[18:29] <wxl> ahhhhh
[18:38] <absk007> why doesn't "key-mon" work?
[18:52] <wxl> ianorlin: i don't know why i didn't see that one in my mail. did it get marked lubuntu??
[18:53] <wxl> argh wrong channel
[18:54] <Unit193> You do that a lot, I laugh.
[20:35] <Kamilion> Having a little minor annoyance trying to recover some disks -- can anyone verify I've got the right kernel command line for my live CD?
[20:35] <Kamilion> libata.ignore_hpa=1 nodmraid raid=noautodetect TORAM=Yes
[20:35] <Kamilion> that should stop dmraid and mdadm from running during boot, correct?
[20:41] <koell> Kamilion: idk if something in here, you may have to wait some hours or call phillw :D
[20:41] <Kamilion> Eh, I normally get better help here than #ubuntu, so I tend to ask here first.
[20:42] <Kamilion> ah well, I'll just run the build and hope I got it correct. :3
[20:42] <phillw> koell: shsss
[20:42] <phillw> Kamilion: you should not be running  both... http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxOTk
[20:43] <Kamilion> I'm not running both
[20:43] <Kamilion> i have the mdadm package installed and I'm trying to get it to stay quiescent
[20:44] <absk007> is there any Peerblock like in Windows?
[20:44] <Kamilion> building a lubuntu based liveISO with ubuntu-builder.
[20:45] <Kamilion> and I expect to run into both dmraid arrays and mdadm arrays (from two different manufacturer's product lines)
[20:45] <Kamilion> but not at the same time.
[20:46] <phillw> Kamilion: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=441 is the server area, they are my best suggestion to ask about RAID stuff.
[20:46] <Kamilion> Roger.
[20:46]  * Kamilion pokes IdleOne to see if KindOne has any useful comments
[20:47] <absk007> Problem in apt-get
[20:47] <phillw> I've never used RAID - I'm an LVM fan :)
[20:47] <Kamilion> I'm a BTRFS fan. :)
[20:47] <Kamilion> OH, that's what I forgot
[20:47]  * Kamilion adds btrfs-tools to the ISO since lubuntu stopped shipping it on the ISO
[20:48] <absk007> Did "apt-get purge -y pidgin" && "apt-get autoremove -y". Error: Setting up install-info (5.2.0.dfsg.1-2) ...
[20:48] <absk007> Not a directory: /usr/share/info.
[20:48] <absk007> dpkg: error processing package install-info (--configure):
[20:48] <absk007>  subprocess installed post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[20:48] <absk007> Errors were encountered while processing:
[20:48] <absk007>  install-info
[20:48] <absk007> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[20:49] <Kamilion> absk007: Uh, first thing off the top of my head would be 'try mkdir -p /usr/share/info  ?
[20:50] <Kamilion> phillw: thanks for the link; I didn't know mdadm was going to be taking over entirely in 14.xx+
[20:50] <absk007> Kamilion, thanks. Worked.
[20:51] <absk007> Kamilion, basically it was trying to put some config into that dir. But since it wasn't created, it could. ERROR. Bang!! rt?
[20:51] <absk007> **couldn't
[20:51] <Kamilion> pretty much.
[20:52] <Kamilion> honestly? I'd start using aptitude or wajig... I find raw apt-get a lot easier to shoot myself in the foot with. :)
[20:52] <phillw> we all help eachother, that is the only rule.
[20:53] <absk007> Kamilion, apt-get does the work quicker!!
[20:53] <Kamilion> *chuckles*
[20:53] <phillw> Kamilion: I went off apt-get for while, but am back using it.
[20:53] <Kamilion> I went to wajig and have never bothered coming back
[20:53] <Kamilion> I really like the subprompt and the fact that I can run it as a normal user and it knows when to sudo by itself.
[20:53] <phillw> Kamilion: I still prefer yum, but that's a different area :)
[20:53] <Kamilion> *shudder*
[20:54] <absk007> how to remove apt cache to save space?
[20:54] <Kamilion> I've used redhat since '4.2' and I STILL can't stand RPM, haha
[20:55] <phillw> absk007: http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=24
[20:56] <phillw> It is on the wiki, just happens to be quicker to use my own archive :)
[20:56] <absk007> phillw, not that. I want to remove apt index
[20:56] <Kamilion> that seems like it would be dangerous IMHO
[20:56] <absk007> i mean the thing that's cached after apt-get update
[20:57] <Kamilion> the package indexes themselves?
[20:57] <phillw> the index is a small file.
[20:57] <absk007> i can freeup some space.. :-)
[20:57] <Kamilion> ain't gonna be much space, IIRC those are about 4-6MB
[20:57] <phillw> absk007: you can also blow your machine up next time you try to update :P
[20:57] <absk007> But when i did apt-get update the 1st time, it downloaded arounded 20-30 MB
[20:57] <Kamilion> maybe 10-12MB if you have a bunch of stuff from PPAs and -security
[20:58] <Kamilion> hm
[20:58] <absk007> i'm using lubuntu from USB as HDD (7.42 GB) -- the 320 GB crashed
[20:58] <Kamilion> Ah.
[20:58] <absk007> every bit counts
[20:59] <Kamilion> heh, this is why I'm building my custom ISO with ubuntu-builder
[20:59] <Kamilion> I've got a 3.6GB install packed into an 806MB iso.
[20:59] <Kamilion> full of disk repair tools and stuff
[21:01] <absk007> Kamilion, ubuntu-builder. Is it easy to use?
[21:02] <Kamilion> Eh, the author gave up just before 14.04 released
[21:02] <Kamilion> it's... Yeah, I guess it's easy enough. Being a GUI app.
[21:02] <Kamilion> I had to patch a couple places here and there -- the last packages are in my PPA
[21:03] <Kamilion> https://launchpad.net/~kamilion/+archive/ubuntu/ubuntu-builder
[21:55] <swift110> Hello all
[22:08] <swift110_> hello all
[22:09] <rafaellaguna> hello :)
[22:09] <swift110_> how are you rafaellaguna
[22:11] <rafaellaguna> fine swift110
[22:11] <rafaellaguna> can I help you about anything?
[22:12] <swift110_> yes, I wanted to install lubuntu to one of my hdds at home.
[22:13] <swift110_> But first I created a live usb drive for it using usb image writer in linux mint 17
[22:14] <rafaellaguna> good, and?
[22:15] <swift110_> its not recignized by the mint laptop or windows pc
[22:15] <rafaellaguna> have you tried with another usb maker, like unetbootin?
[22:16] <rafaellaguna> if your laptop is very new and uses windows 8 it may be a problem
[22:17] <swift110_> my laptop is from 2010
[22:17] <swift110_> pc is from 2011
[22:18] <rafaellaguna> of course you told bios to boot from usb...
[22:18] <swift110_> well i didnt try to boot it
[22:18] <swift110_> i just stuck the usb in
[22:19] <rafaellaguna> you need to tell the machine the boot order, maybe booting from usb is deactivated. have you tried this before?
[22:19] <swift110_> if i got to "disk managment" then lubuntu shows up as a partition on the 4 GB USB drive
[22:19] <rafaellaguna> yes
[22:20] <swift110_> booting from usb is no problem at all.  What i am saying is that it wasnt recognized at all by both machines
[22:20] <rafaellaguna> ¿?
[22:20] <rafaellaguna> any message?
[22:20] <swift110_> I have created boot usbs before using unetbootin and never had this issue. I could put the usb in and be able to use it like normal when i wasnt trying to boot an os with it
[22:21] <rafaellaguna> in the same pcs?
[22:21] <swift110_> on the windows machine it would keep telling me the usb needed to be formatted lol
[22:21] <swift110_> yes the same pcs
[22:21] <rafaellaguna> maybe the iso image is damaged
[22:22] <rafaellaguna> once "burnt" the usb, can you open it and see what's inside?
[22:23] <swift110_> i can if i go to "diskmanagement" it shows the partition with lubuntu
[22:23] <rafaellaguna> but not using the file manager?
[22:24] <rafaellaguna> that you see is just a name you gave to the usb
[22:26] <swift110_> yes
[22:26] <rafaellaguna> do you it plugged right now?
[22:27] <phillw> the current usb creators have bugs against them.  swift110 have a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/mkusb
[22:27] <phillw> Nio has the issue mailed
[22:27] <phillw> *nailed*
[22:28] <rafaellaguna> I was successful "burning" 14.04 with unetbootin
[22:28] <swift110_> The thing is I have used unetbootin plenty of times and I wanted to try something else
[22:28] <rafaellaguna> that mint tool?
[22:29] <phillw> did it self test okay? As if it does not.. Stop, do not pass go. A corrupt image is of no use.
[22:29] <rafaellaguna> right
[22:31] <swift110_> rafaellaguna: yes
[22:33] <Kamilion> note: Big difference between booting an ISOHYBRID enabled image from a USB device and looploading from a FAT partition.
[22:33] <Kamilion> IIRC mkusb and friends use DD under the hood to dump the image file directly onto the USB drive
[22:35] <rafaellaguna> official lubuntu iso is hybrid, check them at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/GetLubuntu
[22:35] <Kamilion> which means I would assume it's either an ISO9660 filesystem with a MBR-compatible bootsector prepended, or a standard MBR+grub
[22:36] <Kamilion> versus unetbootin and friends, who create a FAT filesystem, stuff grub into it's bootsector, and rig it to either A: loopload kernel+initrd, or B: loopload an ISO and yank the kernel+initrd from it.
[22:40] <swift110_> you talkin over my head man
[22:41] <Kamilion> *sigh*
[22:41] <Kamilion> Okay, how's this then
[22:41] <Kamilion> Windows won't mount ISOHYBRID usb devices.
[22:42] <swift110_> ok thats better
[22:42] <swift110_> :)
[22:42] <swift110_> Here's the goal: To install lubuntu onto a pc that has 512 MB of RAM
[22:42] <rafaellaguna> another read, just in case: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
[22:42] <Kamilion> try unetbooting or something else that formats the USB as FAT first
[22:50] <swift110_> ok
[23:49] <swift110_> im back